E020: The Harsh Truths Of A Health Journey - The Optimised Health Show

Welcome back! After months of moving house, Florida adventures, and a major life rethink, we’re finally back behind the mics — and today’s episode is packed.

In this raw and real conversation, we share the harsh truths about true health transformation — why it’s never as simple (or fast) as people expect, and why real change demands patience, investment, and resilience.

🌎 Life Updates: Florida, Moves, and Big Plans

• Moved houses (again!) — 14 moves in 16 years!
• Disaster Airbnb experiences in Florida (think mould, sewer showers 🤢)
• Attended a major business scaling workshop in Vegas
• Big hints about expanding our business into the U.S. (more news to come!)

🔥 Main Topic: Why Your Health Journey Will Be Harder Than You Think

Hard Truths We Break Down:

• It Will Take Longer Than You Think
  Most journeys take months or even years — not three quick months. Progress is layered and complex.
• Your Body Is a Connected System
  You can't fix one area without impacting others. Hormones, gut, liver, metabolism — it’s all linked.
• It's a Serious Investment
  Good health costs money — high-quality supplements, lab testing, coaching, clean food — and lots of time.
• Stress Will Sabotage Everything
  Chronic stress blocks healing, no matter how perfect your protocol is.
• Healing Isn't Linear
  Expect ups, downs, plateaus, and surprises. Bodies are complex, not machines.
• Things Might Get Worse Before They Get Better
  Detoxing and gut work often trigger temporary symptoms like fatigue, headaches, or mood dips.
• You Must Be Willing to Change
  Your comfort foods, your routines — even your mindset — might have to shift for good.
• Prepare for a Dopamine Detox
  Giving up comfort foods or habits can feel like withdrawal — but it's part of rewiring your brain for long-term health.
• You Can Only Go at Your Body’s Pace
  Sometimes, healing demands slowing down when you want to speed up. Trust the process.

💬 Highlights & Fun Moments

• The "bubbly toilet" story and Airbnb disasters 🤯
• How daily weight tracking helped shift mindset around scales
• Personal stories of fasting struggles (and carrot boiling disasters 🥕)
• Why dopamine detoxes feel like you're "losing your mind" (but are crucial!)
• The importance of cooking skills for making "beige" food plans fun

🚀 Final Takeaway

Health transformation requires embracing the hard, investing in yourself, and staying patient.
There are no shortcuts — but the rewards are life-changing.

🎧 Tune in now to learn why "embracing the suck" might be the best decision you ever make for your health journey.

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Transcript

Transcription
Speaker 1
[00.00.10]
 Welcome back. This is our first podcast since being in Florida. Isn't it still is it? It is often, 
Speaker 2
[00.00.20]
 yes. Since our little. 
Speaker 1
[00.00.22]
 Yeah. We haven't done one night since being in this house because we're lame again. Oh, don't tell people we can't. We've been moving house and we've been traveling house, and we have traveled. 
Speaker 2
[00.00.33]
 We went all the way to Tampa. 
Speaker 1
[00.00.35]
 The last time we recorded was before Christmas is now March. So 
Speaker 2
[00.00.40]
 as time goes on quickly. 
Speaker 1
[00.00.42]
 But we did a backlog. There was quite a bit in between of moving house, 
Speaker 2
[00.00.48]
 moving house in the snow, which was really fun. Yeah, 
Speaker 1
[00.00.51]
 those are fun. And then going to Florida for three weeks, 
Speaker 2
[00.00.54]
 three and a half weeks in good old Tampa, which was absolutely horrible. So horrible. Yeah. It made us make some big plans for next year. The movers, the movers can't stay still for longer than a year. Apparently we were actually adding up the other day, weren't we? How many houses we've lived in since we've been together? And what did you. What did you come up with? 14. In how many years? 16 years. 14. 14 moves in 16 years. Is that odd? 
Speaker 1
[00.01.23]
 That's weird, isn't it? Is there something wrong with this? That's kind of compulsive. 
Speaker 2
[00.01.28]
 Dopamine addicts. 
Speaker 1
[00.01.30]
 Maybe something like that. I don't know, was it very 
Speaker 2
[00.01.34]
 expensive? But it does get expensive, and it's going to get even more expensive next year. Yeah. So should we tell our listeners? I think we have been. I don't like it. 
Speaker 1
[00.01.43]
 Yeah, I know. Um, 
Speaker 2
[00.01.46]
 we've got plans for next year. Put 
Speaker 1
[00.01.48]
 it that way. I went to Florida for 
Speaker 2
[00.01.52]
 three weeks. We had some Airbnb disasters, 
Speaker 1
[00.01.55]
 didn't we? I'm not going to go into 
Speaker 2
[00.01.57]
 that house. I think people might want to know. We had a bubble. We had a bubble, a bubbling. We had a bubbly toilet. We had. So what does that even mean? Few people do as 
Speaker 1
[00.02.07]
 well and say toilet and expect people to know what that 
Speaker 2
[00.02.10]
 means. The middle of the night, the toilet bubbled 
Speaker 1
[00.02.12]
 bubbly. 
Speaker 2
[00.02.15]
 Like it was going to sewage coming through. Explode as a shower. Um, yeah. Sewer water coming up out of the shower. I mean, 
Speaker 1
[00.02.24]
 the first one was this moldy, which is 
Speaker 2
[00.02.26]
 he? Yeah. My worst nightmare mold in a place. I have a little freak out because that's been part of my health journey as the old mold. So, uh, being 
Speaker 1
[00.02.36]
 in an event, wasn't it? So we moved from one terrible one to another. Terrible one. What was better? But it was 
Speaker 2
[00.02.43]
 issues. Yeah. And 
Speaker 1
[00.02.44]
 then went to Vegas because I had my scaling workshop with Alex and Lola and 
Speaker 2
[00.02.50]
 his team. Yes you did. 
Speaker 1
[00.02.52]
 That was fun. It was like. 
Speaker 2
[00.02.54]
 Well, it was for you. Not for you. I should say I did lots of work. And it 
Speaker 1
[00.02.58]
 was ten degrees in Vegas. Yeah, it was cold and windy in Vegas. 
Speaker 2
[00.03.02]
 Crazy. Is that. Yeah. It wasn't my most joyful time in Vegas, but I did get lots of work done. And I was on my apprenticeship calls, and which was really 
Speaker 1
[00.03.10]
 nice. It's all about me anyway, so 
Speaker 2
[00.03.11]
 this is true. What about you 
Speaker 1
[00.03.13]
 days at the scaling workshop at acquisition HQ? 
Speaker 2
[00.03.17]
 Yeah. I wish I'd have been in there too. Um, what did you learn? Stuff. Wow. 
Speaker 1
[00.03.23]
 Um. 
Speaker 2
[00.03.24]
 Any hints? 
Speaker 1
[00.03.25]
 No. Ah, no. It's good. Just, just. Being surrounded by a lot of like minded people. Of successful entrepreneurs. Good chats. Um, yeah. I picked up some stuff. I mean, I'd heard a lot of it before because I follow almost religiously. 
Speaker 2
[00.03.43]
 You do? You are a super fan. I'd say. 
Speaker 1
[00.03.45]
 Yeah. It highlights some things about the business, what I need to improve on, where it needs to take it. Potentially, I need to. Make things better. 
Speaker 2
[00.03.58]
 Yes. Always a work in progress. But it was also 
Speaker 1
[00.04.02]
 expand for us. Yeah, exactly. Expand to the US. Hint hint. Move. Potential move. See, now, you just told everyone and you said I'm 
Speaker 2
[00.04.12]
 hinting. Well, that was kind of more than a hint. Hint? 
Speaker 1
[00.04.17]
 No. Well, we'll go into that on another podcast when we've had a few more meetings. There was we had one meeting with a lawyer, um, who basically told Ben that it was a no. And you argued with him? I don't like being 
Speaker 2
[00.04.29]
 told no, no. And I was kind of like, well, he is a lawyer. He kind of knows. 
Speaker 1
[00.04.32]
 There's always a way, right? This 
Speaker 2
[00.04.34]
 is true. And you did find another way that was very, very valid. So. Well. Are you 
Speaker 1
[00.04.38]
 multiple different paths into the United States? Many different visas and options, 
Speaker 2
[00.04.44]
 but one that is very applicable. Yeah, very suited to the business, which is what you want to do in 
Speaker 1
[00.04.49]
 a company in the States. So that's 
Speaker 2
[00.04.52]
 exciting. It's very exciting. So if you are in the States and you are 
Speaker 1
[00.04.56]
 want supplements. But 
Speaker 2
[00.04.59]
 that wasn't what I was going to say. If you would like to, uh, you know, be on board with creating something very special with love life supplements and helping us expand it 
Speaker 1
[00.05.07]
 then. Nice. Yeah. Let us know. You know, there's something I want to do anyway. And why not do it from 
Speaker 2
[00.05.14]
 where you want to expand? Yeah. 
Speaker 1
[00.05.15]
 In the sunshine. We've got a thing about following the 
Speaker 2
[00.05.18]
 sunshine. Yeah. Apparently, we don't do grey very well. And the UK is definitely that place that doesn't work 
Speaker 1
[00.05.24]
 twice for a total of five years. That's saying something. 
Speaker 2
[00.05.28]
 Yeah. And then came back to the UK twice and left quite swiftly. So itchy feet. I just UK life is just 
Speaker 1
[00.05.37]
 it's 
Speaker 2
[00.05.37]
 it's grounded and solid. Let's put it that way isn't it. Yeah. I mean, I 
Speaker 1
[00.05.41]
 don't want to complain about living here. 
Speaker 2
[00.05.43]
 I know it could be a lot worse. I mean, we're very grateful for the fact that we're not. But we 
Speaker 1
[00.05.46]
 do complain. But I don't want to complain. 
Speaker 2
[00.05.48]
 Well, the thing is, when you've got choices, this is the reality, isn't it? We've got choices because our businesses are online, so we have the choice to be able to. Yeah, move. And and also for you it would be highly beneficial being there because that's where you want to expand. And for me it would be highly beneficial because my mentors are all in the States. Yeah. And so timezone wise etc. would mean I wouldn't be on apprenticeships at half 10 to 11 at night and ruining my circadian rhythm. 
Speaker 1
[00.06.14]
 Florida is a good time zone for the UK, but too far. To different. We have five 
Speaker 2
[00.06.21]
 hours. We have to make sure that John Law doesn't listen to this podcast. Don't tell us, don't tell us. Listen 
Speaker 1
[00.06.31]
 to you. Um. Uh, so yeah, 
Speaker 2
[00.06.37]
 I update with the laws 
Speaker 1
[00.06.39]
 until we came back. This is a new house in Roundhay. Those who watch you on the tube. If we were uploaded into the tube. 
Speaker 2
[00.06.46]
 Oh, that's the plan. They're just not that organized with our kids. Yeah, in Roundhay, Leeds. Central. Leeds. 
Speaker 1
[00.06.53]
 Yeah. We like the house 
Speaker 2
[00.06.55]
 a lot, don't we? The house is lovely. We're right on the park, which is beautiful because we've got nice walks and we've got some nice friends close by. Nice restaurant, coffee shops, nice restaurant. Nice restaurant. There are, there are, but there's one very nice restaurant. But we are going to make our room. And one of the rooms, a dedicated filming room. Aren't we in podcast room? Yeah. So do you call it? Yeah. 
Speaker 1
[00.07.24]
 This is kind of a temporary set up. Well, before we set that up, because we're still in the process of unpacking. 
Speaker 2
[00.07.30]
 Yeah, but you see, kudos to us. We didn't let that stop us. We could have used that as an excuse and said, we're not going to do a podcast until we have set up the media room. And we went, no, we're doing it anyway, even though we haven't got the background that we want. We did it anyway, Benjamin. So I'm proud of us. Well done. 
Speaker 1
[00.07.47]
 Us. Yeah. Um, yeah, it looks a bit bland, but it's okay. 
Speaker 2
[00.07.53]
 Um, 
Speaker 1
[00.07.54]
 we've rambled now for nearly eight 
Speaker 2
[00.07.56]
 minutes. We're good at that. I think people like the live updates. Probably. Let us know in the comments if you like live updates, if you like a bit of banter and fun, or you just like facts, we'd like to know all the facts. Anyway, the Optimised Health Show is brought to you by Love Life Supplements. If you're looking for clean, effective, high quality supplements that are thoroughly tested and GMP certified. Head over to Lovelife Supplements. Co.Uk and use the code Benton for 10% off your entire order. 
Speaker 1
[00.08.26]
 Today we wanted to talk about the harsh truths of a health journey because. The reality is many people want to improve their health, feel better, look better. But not many people are willing to do what it takes to actually get to where they want to be and for long enough. So we wanted to share a few key things that are those harsh truths. Just to give you a bit of a I guess, realization as to what it takes. If you are on a health journey to get to where you want to be. And I can say this from experience and you can, um, also me, but you can a bit with a health journey that, you know, there, there is so much that goes into it. So yeah, we want to share a few key things, the obstacles, the obstacles 
Speaker 2
[00.09.09]
 that you will come up against. 
Speaker 1
[00.09.11]
 Obviously it depends on your issue. But yeah, and complex 
Speaker 2
[00.09.14]
 stuff out there. Yeah, 
Speaker 1
[00.09.15]
 it's a complex system and it's just not it's a multitude of systems that are left with each other. And this is where kind of I believe there is a lot of issues when we try and compartmentalize the body into one system at a time. So we look at, you know, hormones or we look at the gut or we look at the liver or we look at the metabolism. But every single system within the body is connected to all of the other systems and they all talk to each other. So you have to kind of it's like having a big jigsaw puzzle and putting the pieces in at the right time, and that can sometimes take a lot longer than people would expect, and be a lot more complex than you would realize when you first go on a health journey. So a great example of that is a lot of women come to me, menopausal women struggling with weight loss. And, you know, if that was the case, you'd be like, well, tell them to eat less and exercise more. That obviously, yeah, is going to make them lose weight because they're in a calorie deficit. But you have to look at why is their body not losing weight. And that's due to all of the systems being out of balance and interacting with each other. So inflammation the immune system got all of it gets a bit wonky. So if we just do that, yes, it might work for a subset of the population who maybe are just overeating and really sedentary. Is that how you say it? Sedentary? Sedentary? Sedentary? Sedentary? Um, but for 95% of people that I speak to, that's not the case. Um, so there's deeper layers that we layers. And Mary. There is a nurse that we have to look into to realize what is actually going first point. 
Speaker 2
[00.10.51]
 First point is that it is probably going to take you longer than you think. So when I work with clients on a 1 to 1 basis, they have the option to work with me through my coaching program on a 3 or 6 month program. And although I offer the three months, I'm super honest it long. It normally takes longer than three months because for most people they didn't get to where they were in three months. So you're probably not going to get to where you want to be in three months. And that's not to say you can't make progress in those three months, but you're probably not going to be where you want to be. And also, like you said, depending on the complexity of what's going on, it's 
Speaker 1
[00.11.26]
 super simple, I guess. And this is, 
Speaker 2
[00.11.30]
 yeah, if someone is eating like change of diet, you know, Western diet, I'm not moving and you clean up the diet a bit. Eat more protein. Stop 
Speaker 1
[00.11.38]
 eating donuts. Eat steak. 
Speaker 2
[00.11.40]
 Yeah. Swap your donuts for your steaks then. All great. But it's normally, you know, someone. If someone is investing in a 1 to 1 coaching program, it's it's normally there's more deeper of course is going on. Yeah. 
Speaker 1
[00.11.55]
 It's a big investment. So it's not going to be. Yeah, they'd already made that commitment to, you know. So there must be some serious shit 
Speaker 2
[00.12.05]
 going on normally. Yeah, exactly. If you want to 
Speaker 1
[00.12.08]
 invest that amount of money to fix it. 
Speaker 2
[00.12.10]
 Yeah. So it's going to be. No, the problem is we live in a world of instant gratification. So people just think, right, one thing is going to change everything in a couple of days. And especially females, we have this thing where we get so fixated on the scales a lot of the time. And when, you know, and I see it in my clients and I can I can say this again, from experience, you know, the scales can really mess with your head. And we I mean, we talk about it all the time. We've got those smart scales, the human ones, haven't we? And every day if you get on it and you're like my weight, it's gone up by 1.5 kilos, I hate less. You're saying, what the freaking hell is going on? 
Speaker 1
[00.12.42]
 Well, you can think about those as they make your body fat so you freak out less. 
Speaker 2
[00.12.46]
 Well, I don't know, because my body felt like, well, 
Speaker 1
[00.12.48]
 your weight goes up or your body fat doesn't, you know, and you go, oh, that's okay. Because actually, what if 
Speaker 2
[00.12.52]
 he doesn't get up? Yeah. Maybe it's 
Speaker 1
[00.12.54]
 whether you trust the body fat because nothing is fully but it's, you know, if women are tracking things like scale weight and it's not going down every day, then they're like, it's not working. It's not working. And I'm like, you can't look at day or week by week just as like one number. And this is actually why I get my clients, if they're okay with it, to track daily. Because if you, you know, do a weight measurement with that weight. Yeah, a weight measurement plus just weekly That day that you measure. You could have had more carbs and have more water in your muscles. You could have a bit of fluid retention. If it's so much, 
Speaker 2
[00.13.31]
 it's so much slower 
Speaker 1
[00.13.33]
 every day for about five years now. Yeah. And you can't do it once a week because you could it 
Speaker 2
[00.13.39]
 could totally different. 
Speaker 1
[00.13.41]
 Yeah. You're not capturing all those fluctuations. It's about the 
Speaker 2
[00.13.44]
 trend. Yeah. Trend over time my way literally went dropped by 1.6 kilos yesterday. Yeah. I mean and if I'd have just taken the day before as the measurement for the week, I would have freaked out and been like, oh my God, I've gained so much weight. If you do track every day, you start to realize what impacts it is the lack of sleep. 
Speaker 1
[00.14.04]
 It's it's you can pick out certain things 
Speaker 2
[00.14.06]
 like totally stress, and 
Speaker 1
[00.14.07]
 then you don't freak out so much when it if it jumps a kilo because. Yeah. Oh, because I drank some alcohol. 
Speaker 2
[00.14.14]
 Yeah, exactly. Or I ate loads of salt or loads of carbs. But obviously I understand for some people that can be triggering. So it is like you have to know yourself enough to know what's going to be a trigger if if you've had, you know, and again saying it's from experience, I did have an eating disorder. But actually for me it's more triggering weighing myself once a week than it is weighing myself daily. Because if I weigh myself once a week, I get this real fear around stepping on the scales. And then all I think about, oh my God, when I get on the scales, what I'm going to say. Whereas when I do it daily, it gives me more of a a logical thought process behind. 
Speaker 1
[00.14.45]
 What's the point? It's it's probably going to take longer because. How long you personally been? 
Speaker 2
[00.14.53]
 Oh my goodness. You've been there. Literally. God knows. Yes. Well, we started this crazy journey. From like 21, 20, 
Speaker 1
[00.15.03]
 22. Well Covid wasn't it? Yeah. 
Speaker 2
[00.15.07]
 Yeah. So 
Speaker 1
[00.15.09]
 when was that silly 
Speaker 2
[00.15.10]
 thing? 2022. 
Speaker 1
[00.15.11]
 Five years. Mhm. And you're still sitting in health 
Speaker 2
[00.15.14]
 coach. No. And I always will I will always have a health coach because I believe it's one of the best investments I could make because the journey is never linear, which is actually one of the other, other points that we came up with. Your journey is never linear and your body is not static. It doesn't stay the same the entire time and you go through different phases of life. So like for female going through menopause, you know, there's your body is shifting all the time and you never know what's going to be the thing that shifts it in a direction that you're not happy with or is not good. So for me, I'm like, if I've got an outside perspective because being subjective with yourself, even though I'm a nutritionist and I've been in this field for 15 years, being subjective with yourself is really hard. And also you will overthink everything that you do when you try and do it on your own. And you know, I can think of all the things I could do. And then you're like, oh, which should I start with, and what order should I put it in? So just having a coach where I'm literally like, you tell me what's going on. 
Speaker 1
[00.16.11]
 Even though you obviously know a lot. Yeah, it's great, isn't it, to have that accountability to look 
Speaker 2
[00.16.16]
 in? Yeah. And it's also that sense of peace that someone has got you back. You know, if if I was on my own and I had a bit of a blip, didn't I, before Christmas, where my thyroid went a bit creaky, um, we think I might have got Covid, or it might have been that I used a peptide that just pushed my thyroid a bit too much, and I had. Well, we ended up in A&E a couple of times, which was fun. And yeah, so if I'd have been on my own at that point, I would have been seriously freaking out. But because I'd got a team around me helping me, it was just like, I'm just going to trust them. I'm going, yeah, I'm going to go to them. I'm going to trust them, and I'm going to check in with them, and they're going to be able to know exactly what to do. And I think what's really important about that is when you do have a coach, they are a coach. That's what they're there for, not just like a one off consultation every eight weeks. I really believe in the coaching element and having that constant communication. So with my clients, they they check in with me every single week and we're on zoom every other week so that I can be there coaching them through the mental side, helping them stay on track. But also, you know, when these blips come up, we've got that constant contact rather than be like eight weeks off you go then come back. 
Speaker 1
[00.17.30]
 They've gone off the 
Speaker 2
[00.17.31]
 point completely. Well, kind of, and quite 
Speaker 1
[00.17.33]
 a bit. 
Speaker 2
[00.17.35]
 Don't know too much too soon. Yes. It's generally going to take months, if not years, but again, then it has to go into like can the client afford it? Yeah, 
Speaker 1
[00.17.47]
 because these programs are not cheap. Sometimes they're not cheap. 
Speaker 2
[00.17.51]
 No, no. Exactly. That's where 
Speaker 1
[00.17.52]
 it's quite a hard balancing act, isn't it. To. Yeah. Manage their expectations. But they also have to have the cash. 
Speaker 2
[00.18.01]
 Yeah absolutely. And that is challenging. That was point number. Well it was point number three. But I don't even know what point we're on anymore. We just kind of flitted. Next point um yeah. It's going to be an investment. Investing in your health will be an investment. Like that's just a fact. And like you said, it depends how much someone is able to invest. And I'm really mindful about that. I understand, like not everyone has loads of disposable cash to just throw at tests and supplements etc. but again, like you said, it's that really realistic expectation as to what you can achieve depending on what your starting point is and and where you want to be and what's actually going on. Because sometimes we don't know until we start uncovering things. So we might, you know, do a protocol and something shifts in the way that we wouldn't expect, because I can't predict how someone's body is going to react to anything, and then it's like, okay, so your body reacted that way. Why? Why did it have not the effect that I was expecting it to have? There's obviously something else underlying that we need to investigate. And then that investigation might be money, because it might be right where we need to do some blood labs or we need to do a Dutch test, or we need to do a GI test and deeper. And these 
Speaker 1
[00.19.07]
 tests are very expensive. 
Speaker 2
[00.19.09]
 Yeah, they're not cheap. And unfortunately you won't get them on. Yeah. DNA 
Speaker 1
[00.19.12]
 supplements are expensive 
Speaker 2
[00.19.14]
 if you're using quality supplements. Yeah. 
Speaker 1
[00.19.16]
 Yeah. So I understand it's a challenge financially, but then it's also then it comes back to priorities as well. Like how much how much you value your health. Yeah. 
Speaker 2
[00.19.27]
 Where do they sit in your priority list. 
Speaker 1
[00.19.29]
 What are you spending? You know, what else are you spending money on that you could perhaps cut back on, I guess. Yeah. You need to, 
Speaker 2
[00.19.35]
 you know, like, for me, it was 
Speaker 1
[00.19.37]
 holidays, I guess. 
Speaker 2
[00.19.39]
 Yeah. It was my number one priority when. When everything fell apart. Because the reality was I couldn't live like that, and I couldn't function and actually couldn't work properly because, you know, I felt like crap, and I realised everything. It is everything. But it is weighing, weighing up and being like. So where does it sit on your priority list? Are you willing to invest in it? Is, like you said, is there ways of being able to? Redirect where your spend is going for a period of time to make it one of your top priorities for a period. That doesn't mean it has to be number one priority forever. Um, and again, depending on the complexity, depends on how much you're probably going to need to invest to really look at where you are 
Speaker 1
[00.20.23]
 or can you find a way of paying for it, you know? Yeah. Taking on extra work and extra stress, but other ways of making money perhaps, or getting a loan. 
Speaker 2
[00.20.34]
 Yeah. 
Speaker 1
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 Like 
Speaker 2
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 and also thinking like, you know, if a budget is a real issue, then we're going to have to be really smart around food. You know, that's you know, I always give people meal plans and food lists, etc. but if some, you know, there's only a certain amount of budget that we have for supplementation, then we have to be like, right. Then you, you know, if you're someone that's like, I don't like fish or oily fish, but you need the amigas, but you can't invest in Omega. I'm like, oh, can you make yourself like some oily fish? Is there an oily fish we can get in your diet somehow? 
Speaker 1
[00.21.08]
 Yeah, but of course you would go to food first anyway. Absolutely. Regardless of the budget. Right? Yeah. It always starts with food. What? Can you. Yeah. Change your diet. What can you get in the diet first and then when do you need to add in the supplements. 
Speaker 2
[00.21.23]
 Yeah. Yeah absolutely. But for most people there will be supplements involved, especially for most of my client base because they're at their 40 plus age where a lot is shifting around high stress gut issues. And if you're not absorbing what we put in, you know, obviously we need to go back to the gut again. But. There's some things that we might need to do in the gut, like antimicrobials or probiotics to begin with, and gut lining support to begin with. And again, I'll always use things like aloe where I can and apple cider vinegar for digestion. But some people just need an added layer on top. So yeah, you know, there's been times when my my supplement protocols alongside my diet protocols have been extensive, haven't they? They've been extensive. But it's knowing that that phase isn't forever. So it's not you know, okay, you're going to be on 25 supplements for the rest of your life. It's like just for this window whilst we need to make this happen. But the more imbalance we can make your systems, the less we'll need to be on. Now, depending on what your goal is like, mine is always optimization and I know yours is. So we invest in things like peptides and you know, things for longevity. Not everyone wants to do that. I mean, I think it's freaking awesome because peptides, as we spoke about before, can I mean, yeah, they can be an absolute game changer alongside obviously they're not going to do anything if you eat shit. But alongside the right diet and lifestyle factors, they can they can be the thing that really pushes the needle in the right direction. So I'm willing to invest in those things, but it just depends how far you want to go with your optimization and what that looks like. 
Speaker 1
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 That kid that goes into testing as well, isn't it? Because you could test every month? 
Speaker 2
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 Oh yeah. Right. 
Speaker 1
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 Which would probably be optimal. But again, it's very expensive. So it's like picking the test carefully. Do you really need to test? 
Speaker 2
[00.23.10]
 Yeah. Where and when to test. So when women work with me, a lot of the time they come in and they're like, right, can we test my hormones then? As the first port of call, I'm like, no, 
Speaker 1
[00.23.19]
 there's no point because your liver, your detox pathways, your gut, your stress load, all of that is actually adding to your hormones being out of balance. Yes, even in your 40s when hormones are diminishing, all of those things first are kind of driving hormonal imbalances. So why don't we get those in place and then look at what your hormones are doing? So is that order of or order of operations to know when to to add things in in terms of testing and how to read between the lines of tests as well, because you can't just take one test and be like, okay, so I've got low iron, I'm going to take iron. You know, you've got to look at why is it low in the first place, what's driving that, and how will you marry all the results together to get a bigger picture alongside symptoms. So you could look at a GI test and be like, okay, well this person, their GI test looks all right. They've got like one overgrowth. They're experiencing bloating and gas and issues, but they've only got one overgrowth. So no issues there. But then they've got loads of immune system dysfunction and other things. And it's kind of reading between the lines of that and marrying it all together and being like, yeah, but if they've got, you know, other things and immune system dysregulation, you have to know how to put that all together. 
Speaker 2
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 Here's what I find say, in a really long, long winded way. I mean, God, now all we've spent on testing 
Speaker 1
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 supplements protocols is 
Speaker 2
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 scary. That's the ugly toilet noise. 
Speaker 1
[00.24.49]
 Well, I think it was deeper than that. 
Speaker 2
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 Bit louder indeed. Oh, similar. Yeah. You should. You know, you're not going to be testing every single month because you've got to allow the body time for that as well. Yeah, but. 
Speaker 1
[00.25.04]
 Oh, no, this is scary. 
Speaker 2
[00.25.06]
 If you think about it in certain areas. Yeah. At certain points you can't get over testing as well. And you can't rely on everything on a test. Yeah. You have to go by symptoms. I guess what you're saying. Be prepared for the potential costs. Because unfortunately, when these things are not cheap like. But it will change in the future. But testing is very expensive. I don't know why it's so expensive. Mhm. Yeah. Supplements. Honestly I know what they can be expensive. Um and unfortunately. Good food is expensive. And 
Speaker 1
[00.25.40]
 yeah, well, especially in this country, have this expensive. Yeah. Um, 
Speaker 2
[00.25.44]
 and think but think of it a bit like an not, you know, you meet your car every single year without fail, and you don't even bat an eyelid because it has to be done. Yeah. 
Speaker 1
[00.25.53]
 Serviced. Yeah. Every year. I mean, people 
Speaker 2
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 don't do that to ourselves. 
Speaker 1
[00.25.57]
 Ever. We'll never do a blood test. No. The whole life. No. And then it's looking like if you have bloods done. Is it extensive enough? A lot of the time when I get clients and they've had some bloods done and, you know, um, with the doctors, etcetera, but there's big gaps. So we've only got half a picture and it's not really giving enough of what we need to really know what to do. So it's like then there's all these gaps that we have to fill in. And then by the time we've done that and like you might as well, I've just done this blood test that has got it all on. So yeah, that's that. If you are fed up with going it alone on your health journey and you are struggling, you're generally not feeling your best self but are ready to get optimised. Why not book a free wellness discovery? Call with me, a naturopathic nutritionist and functional health coach, where I'll help you understand the root causes of your issues and guide you in the right direction of which of my programs would be best suited for you. Whether that be a group program or 1 to 1 coaching. The link to book your free call is in the show notes. Next point is, things might get worse before they get better. Probably will. Yeah probably will. There are phases when you start shifting things around in your body. Let's say you start getting rid of microbes out of the gut, or you start detoxing heavy metals and things. And if you've got a really high toxic burn, you're not necessarily going to feel great to begin with. And a lot of the time, you know, when I put clients through what we call a flush, the first four days, they feel like shit, like they get headaches, they feel tired, lethargic, achy because you're mobilizing toxins and helping the body get them out. Now, of course, we're always really mindful about I don't want to, you know, make someone feel terrible, but you have to be prepared at some point that you're probably not going to feel great when we start working the gut. And you start killing off microbes. And this is why we always do liver work before we do gut work to make sure that you are detoxing well, because otherwise when microbes die, they release a lot of toxins. And then you're going to get this backup of toxins if your detox pathways are clogged up. So we do liver always before we go into gut work. But again you you know, it shifts the microbiome around that can make you feel crap. You might get a bit ill. I remember I went through phases where when I was doing a gut protocol and you shock the gut microbiome and it shifts how the immune system functions. And I was in bed for three days with like a proper flu. I thought I'd got a bad neck, cracked my neck and then, yeah, ended up in bed three days. Could not get out of bed, but it was just part of the process that I had to be willing to go through. And then I came out the other side and felt great. So there are going to be periods depending on what you're doing, that you don't feel the best you've ever felt. When I did a five day fast, I felt like trash. Like 
Speaker 2
[00.28.32]
 you? Yeah. Are you laid on the floor for most of it? It's bad. Yeah. I literally had client. Yeah. And in between client calls, I just laid on the office floor because I was like, I have got nothing and other people will do a five day fast and feel incredible. That's 
Speaker 1
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 amazing. There's so much energy. 
Speaker 2
[00.28.49]
 No no, no. I felt like crap. Um, and, you know, obviously, again, that's why working closely with someone is really important. Because they can tell you what's normal and what isn't normal. There are times when. Yes, absolutely. Just pushing through like, no, keep going is not ideal. You know, you could be really pushing, like I said, with detoxification or with gut health etc. if you just go zero to hero, you could really actually make things worse. So that's why working closely with someone will help them know. And also being very honest with your symptoms. I sometimes have clients who, you know, don't tell me everything because they're kind of like, oh no, everything's fine. And then I'm literally like, the next week they're like, yeah, I felt like this, this and this. But now I feel great. And I'm like, oh, why didn't you tell me that last week? So I actually have an idea of what's truly going on and need to know your body. And that's why I give clients these big trackers. I know they freaking hate it, but trackers to fill in so I know what's going on. Um, so yeah, just know that there's going to be periods that suck. You've done it as well. You didn't H pylori protocol, didn't you? That wasn't fun. It's like prep. It's not always fun. There's periods where you were knackered. 
Speaker 1
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 Yeah, definitely. We did 
Speaker 2
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 see a 
Speaker 1
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 specific carbohydrate diet where it was eating 
Speaker 2
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 pureed carrot. I'm not curious. 
Speaker 1
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 Pureed everything. 
Speaker 2
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 Probably an orange. I probably did a little bit because I'm quite prone to that. I 
Speaker 1
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 was like, oh, just boring. Just bland, boring prep. It's 
Speaker 2
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 like we went away, didn't we, for a couple of days. We decided to have like a staycation in a bathroom at the time and went and booked into like an a part hotel, made sure I had a kitchen and we spent most of the time boiling carrots. Thanks, Justin. He was my coach at the time. Made me do it. 
Speaker 1
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 But yeah, it's you do like ten kilos of carrots in 
Speaker 2
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 half a day. 
Speaker 1
[00.30.43]
 Nothing like that. No more carrot. The process started again. Yeah. 
Speaker 2
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 So it's not always going to be fun. There's going to be periods. You feel a bit crap, but it's thinking long term. What is the result that you're after? What do you want? And you know, in order to get anywhere that you want to be, you're going to have to embrace the suck sometimes, both in business and life. But people just be so resistant to change, can't they? Very 
Speaker 1
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 and just having their 
Speaker 2
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 routines, 
Speaker 1
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 their special foods that they 
Speaker 2
[00.31.11]
 love. Yes. Yeah. And 
Speaker 1
[00.31.13]
 they'll kind of freak out. Just 
Speaker 2
[00.31.14]
 changing. Yeah. Which leads very nicely into the next point, which is being willing to make changes. And it's not always going to be convenient. I mean, boiling carrots, ten kilos of them was definitely not convenient, especially when we were having a staycation. But I was willing to do whatever it took at the time. And, you know, like Ben said, there's going to be times you might need to give up your favorite foods for a while, but it doesn't mean forever. So the analogy I always like to give, especially to my clients, is think of it like having a broken leg. What are you doing? 
Speaker 1
[00.31.44]
 Just trying to move this goddamn camera around. 
Speaker 2
[00.31.47]
 You just play. I mean, you just look like you're having a. Really. By each time like broad. So yeah, the analogy broken leg. If you broke your leg, would you continue to walk on it and expect it to heal? What would you say to that? No no no thank you. So therefore the same with your body. If you're in a healing phase, you can't expect to keep walking on the broken leg and get the results that you want. So you have to, you know, when that leg is broken, you take time off, you put it in a cast, you rest, you don't walk on it. But that doesn't mean you're in the cast for the rest of your life and you can never walk again. It means that you do that for a period of time. Then you go through rehab and then, lo and behold, you can go and run again. So think of your healing journey like that. It's not always fun. It's not always convenient. But you have to have those periods of rest and recuperation. 
Speaker 1
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 Embrace 
Speaker 2
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 the suck. Embrace the interesting stuff. Trust the process because you've just led it to the next point. Hang on. I'm not finished with this one. Go on. Their souls. Um, yeah. You you just have to be open to try any things, I guess. And 
Speaker 1
[00.32.55]
 you do. And because it's going to involve change, isn't it? 
Speaker 2
[00.32.58]
 Yeah. Change is never easy. Especially when it comes to food. People are very. I mean, I'm precious about my cacao. If people take my away. I'm 
Speaker 1
[00.33.05]
 funny about food and I'm angry. I mean, if people take your coffee away, I mean, I think I remember one time you saying if someone. I think it was a protocol and you were like, I'm not doing it. If they tell me I can't have coffee. Well, I did, 
Speaker 2
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 but then you did do it for a while. I did it for like. Maybe two months. You do? If it's that long, maybe six weeks, which is? I didn't have any coffee. Impressive for 
Speaker 1
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 you. I mean, I don't know how I did it, but I did it like green tea, so I had some caffeine, but, yeah, 
Speaker 2
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 I 
Speaker 1
[00.33.36]
 live in the same. Yeah. It's like if you want something bad enough, you do it. Same applies to 
Speaker 2
[00.33.43]
 bodybuilding. Yeah. Same journey. 
Speaker 1
[00.33.46]
 Not that little bridge there. 
Speaker 2
[00.33.48]
 I did 
Speaker 1
[00.33.49]
 like suffering. To achieve what you want. Like to get the physical one. I had to starve myself 
Speaker 2
[00.33.57]
 for four months. Yeah. No I don't. It wasn't that bad. It was only 
Speaker 1
[00.34.01]
 after you did. But yeah, I had to, like, reduce my calories to kind of deficit for four 
Speaker 2
[00.34.06]
 months. To do cardio 
Speaker 1
[00.34.08]
 every day to get to the end goal of being on stage. As lean as 
Speaker 2
[00.34.13]
 lean, leaner than a lean mean. So there's periods of that when you're on a health journey. Whatever it is, it's like, you know, there's ways of making it more manageable, for sure. And I, I think making sure, again, like having support around 
Speaker 1
[00.34.29]
 recipes and things like that, you know, making food fun. How can you make food fun when you, you know, your food plan's a bit beige? I've definitely had beige food plans, but how how do we make a plan? Well, you know, like if someone says four ounces chicken not it's not beige, but it is Bayesian in terms of like losing the fun factor because that's how I use them. Well, that's how I describe you. Um, knowing 
Speaker 2
[00.34.52]
 me, I can tell. Stop being annoyed. Just embrace it. Embrace 
Speaker 1
[00.34.57]
 the suck. That doesn't work with our analogy 
Speaker 2
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 at all. Anyway, ten kilos of carrots was not fun. But what did we do to make it fun? We added some spices and some herbs in there and some cinnamon and all really fun things to make it a little bit more fun. Well, that comes down to people not be able to cook as well. That's another thing. Yeah, being able to add flavor to their food. Yeah. Just having babies. 
Speaker 1
[00.35.24]
 Stop saying that please. Yeah. Um, yeah, that's a different point, I guess, but it's kind of at the same point. It is learning how to make food fun. Whenever I put my pancakes on line, on the line. Everyone's, oh, my God, they look incredible. They must be, like, 5000 calories. And and I'm like, no, they're about 350. And they're made from all really good ingredients. They're gluten free, dairy free, no artificial sweeteners, no sugar. Because I've learned how to make what can be considered boring foods not boring. So again, that is like an investment in learning how to cook an investment into actually food prepping and doing things like that. And and again, I know people can be time poor and if you've got a high stress job, etc. but that goes back to the point that we said about you have to be willing to make an investment, not just financially. Yeah, but you have to be willing to invest time into your health. Basically, you can't expect miracles if you're going to live off ready meals and shit. 
Speaker 2
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 I mean, that would be weird eating shit, but you know what I mean? And. Yeah. Any more? Any more that you want to add on that? Being willing to make changes. 
Speaker 1
[00.36.42]
 I just think people are weak. 
Speaker 2
[00.36.44]
 Oh, wow. Um, that was a little bit too far, Benjamin Law. I don't think they're weak. It's a it's a 
Speaker 1
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 it's a 
Speaker 2
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 habit thing and it's a comfort thing. So food is hard. I mean, I know food is comforting, but that's because you don't understand. Like why people say it's a change when they want something different. It's like that saying, don't do the same thing over and over again, expecting a different result. Like definition of insanity. Yeah. Yeah. But there's so much psychological stuff that goes behind it as well. Like food is like a dopamine hit. And if people are seeking dopamine, that can make them reach for those things. Cravings especially like, are so linked to stress and cortisol and that dopamine here. And this is what myself and the most amazing transformation trauma informed coach Lucy, who's one of my besties and starting to do a monthly mindset call and kind of. Physical call, shall we say? I talk about the body. She talked more about the mind and nervous system with all of our clients. So they start to really get those moments of like, oh my God, that's why I reach for the biscuits at night. Or that's why I can't control my cravings. I start to understand the physiology of a stressed out nerve, nervous system or trauma, um, and the physiological responses that are coming from cortisol, etc.. So yeah, there's reasons why people do what they do, because I don't think that humans in general are are lacking discipline or lazy. I think there's reasons why they have the behaviors that they do. 
Speaker 1
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 We 
Speaker 2
[00.38.19]
 all have like that's like with you with coffee. Why? 
Speaker 1
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 You know, 
Speaker 2
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 there's a reason why you love coffee. 
Speaker 1
[00.38.25]
 I mean, yeah, probably it gives you a bit of a buzz. So, you know, there's there's reasons why as human beings, we do everything that we do, but it is the there's going to be again, when you have to embrace this, there's going to be a period that feels really freaking hard because especially when it comes to anything dopamine seeking, I'm going to go into science on this because I think it's important for people to know, okay, so we have receptors in our brain for dopamine. Like any cell, we have receptors on them for all different things like hormones, etc.. The problem with the world that we live in is that we have so many dopamine hit 
Speaker 2
[00.39.04]
 hits from different things social media, food, um, I mean dope. We get dopamine from everywhere. It's like that reward chemical, right? So the problem is, because you've got 
Speaker 1
[00.39.13]
 receptors in your brain, anything that you have too much of creates a downregulation or resistance to it. So this is like with oh what's going on there? Stop playing with it. Um, with insulin resistance. That's a really good example. People become insulin resistant because their cells sense too much sugar and glucose. Then we release more insulin. And the more insulin we release, the more resistant we become to it over time. Because it's like the the receptor sites get a bit deaf to it and they're like, I can't hear it anymore. So you need more and more to get the same response. So with dopamine, it's really similar. If you're doing loads of things that create more and more dopamine, your receptor sites will down regulate. And so that means you need more dopamine to get the same reward feeling that 
Speaker 2
[00.39.56]
 you would have got from less when your receptors were sensitive to it. So when you go onto a new protocol and let's say you have to remove certain foods that are giving you that dopamine, you kind of trying to detox dopamine those first few weeks, you're going to feel like you're losing your freaking mind. 
Speaker 1
[00.40.13]
 Oh. What 
Speaker 2
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 was that for? Yeah. You guys feel like you're losing your mind because all of a sudden now you've removed the dopamine hits. But now, because your receptors are downregulated, there's not enough for you to feel it. So you have to wait for those receptors to kind of reset themselves to have a normal physiological amount of dopamine, to actually feel it again, because at the moment you're only feeling it because you've got such a heightened amount of dopamine, because the receptors are so downregulated. Does that make sense? Yeah. 
Speaker 1
[00.40.43]
 Yeah. So it applies to like, coffee, like you build up a tolerance. Yeah. Because you assign receptors 
Speaker 2
[00.40.50]
 down regulate down regulate. 
Speaker 1
[00.40.51]
 Yeah. Don't really go up 
Speaker 2
[00.40.53]
 like. No down. Regulate. Yeah. Yeah. Then you need more and more to get the same response. 
Speaker 1
[00.40.57]
 Yeah. Same addiction. Any kind of addiction. 
Speaker 2
[00.40.59]
 Right? Yeah. Exactly. So going on a dopamine detox is not always fun, but it is always necessary. Mhm. Um, and that's actually where I found as well. Things like fasting really helped because I am someone who I do like food. I like the taste of food. I'm not going to lie. I've had issues with food in the past. I, you know, had a phase when I was younger where I'd binge. That was not fun. Um, and I do think about food a lot, like I just do. That's the reality I think about when my next meal is and when I have done fasts. And this is not to say and go out and do a long, fast. It's like it's reset my dopamine receptors, because I've removed a lot of the things that create dopamine, that gives those receptors time to reset. And then when I've come out of a fast, I've kind of been like, oh, food is nice, but it doesn't give me that same like, oh my God, that was amazing feeling and I need more of it. That I did have previously to doing the 
Speaker 1
[00.41.52]
 fast 
Speaker 2
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 winning. So there you go. Got it. Got it. Um. Next point. Stress. You could have all the best plans in the world. All the supplements, all the food protocols, everything. But if you're in a place of chronic stress that you cannot work on. None of it will work. None of it. 
Speaker 1
[00.42.15]
 Yes. 
Speaker 2
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 You were going to say something and and I see this again a lot with clients who find it really hard to hand over control and to surrender to a process. They're constantly living in their head, stressing, thinking about it, going, when am I going to lose this weight? When am I going to feel better? And then they start to control everything. And then they're so stressed that I could do everything in the world and nothing will make any difference. Nothing. Unfortunately, 
Speaker 1
[00.42.39]
 it's so complex, isn't it? The stress component? 
Speaker 2
[00.42.42]
 Yeah. Because some of that can be genetic. I'm someone who naturally is not great at getting rid of cortisol and breaking down cortisol. So smaller things stress me out easier, would you say? 
Speaker 1
[00.42.54]
 Yeah, 
Speaker 2
[00.42.55]
 I'm prone to. Actually, we'll have to do one on genetics. Maybe we'll go through my genetic report because I mean, I am not blessed. But again, I'm more prone to like obsessive compulsive behaviors. My obsession with kicking one of those and courgettes. I'm more prone to neurotransmitter imbalances which can lead to depression, etc. as well. I mean, I'm the genetics of both mum and dad and you married me, so I feel for you. Um, but yeah, there's genetic components that will play into that as well. But that doesn't mean that genetics rule everything. They are able to be manipulated. And so it's just knowing you know. Genetics are fantastic. And I love knowing my genetics because it becomes law because it means I know what I need to be more mindful about. I need to be, you know, someone who always has a morning routine, who does meditation, who does things to calm my nerves system down, to stop the overthinking, etc. I need to do more of those than the average human for some people. And my coach Vince said this to me. He was like for some things, for some people those things are nice. For you. They're an absolute necessity. Like they're a necessity for you to live a healthy life. Well, doing morning routines like meditation, breathwork, having a process to get my nervous system and. 
Speaker 1
[00.44.09]
 Chord. So 
Speaker 2
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 happy basically. So for some people, they can just be nice because they don't have the same genetic makeup as me. But for me, they're an absolute necessity, right? Because otherwise I'll find myself in a hole and you'll find me in a hole. Okay. Just so you know, this is why it's important, actually, for your partner to know your genetics. I think you're in 
Speaker 1
[00.44.26]
 a hole. Why? Because I'm more prone to overthinking OCD. Put you in a hole and not having a process to help alleviate stress 
Speaker 2
[00.44.37]
 to meditation. Manage my nervous system. Well, yeah, and 
Speaker 1
[00.44.41]
 walking and 
Speaker 2
[00.44.42]
 getting out of my head. Yeah. 
Speaker 1
[00.44.44]
 So whereas I'm probably opposite. Yeah. 
Speaker 2
[00.44.46]
 I don't really need to do that stuff. I don't think I'm very practical and very 
Speaker 1
[00.44.51]
 pragmatic. Simple. Can I 
Speaker 2
[00.44.54]
 say? Yeah. Yeah. Something to say that I wouldn't say that I married you. I think you're very complex. Quite a higher stress tolerance. Yeah. You do. Like, there's there's been periods of life where, you know, in business where other people would have had a nervous breakdown and you're just like, 
Speaker 1
[00.45.12]
 oh, God. Yeah. Like ridiculous things have happened in the business, like thousands and thousands of pounds worth of debt. Yeah. Like, literally don't know how I'm going to get out of it. And I just, you know, I just find 
Speaker 2
[00.45.27]
 a way cool as a cucumber, whereas I would. 
Speaker 1
[00.45.29]
 I mean, until you get stressed, but not. Yeah, 
Speaker 2
[00.45.31]
 but not like I would have done at that point in life. But who was it we were working with as well? Who said, I'm. I can deal with physical stress a lot more, but mental stress I can't, and you're the opposite. You can deal with mental stress a lot more, but physical stress, not as much. Well. 
Speaker 1
[00.45.47]
 I'm not sure about that. I can deal with physical stress quite well. 
Speaker 2
[00.45.50]
 You can just deal with all stress, Mr. Stress dude. 
Speaker 1
[00.45.54]
 Because, well, I did CrossFit for five years and absolutely killed myself. 
Speaker 2
[00.45.58]
 That's true. You did. 
Speaker 1
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 But 
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 we haven't got your genetics. We need to. We need to get you a little box. That'll be fantastic. I can handle it as much now, but the intensity. Yeah. The stuff. Yeah, but that's also. I hate to use age as part of that, but when your body is older, it is less resilient. You need to be more mindful. Um, so yeah. Stress. And then the final point is you can only go at the pace your body is ready to go at. And again, I think this kind of ties back into point one. In some times people expect that we can just go straight in hell for leather on certain things, like a gut protocol or a weight loss protocol. And we can't because it depends what your body is ready for. So sometimes I might, you know, have a client where I test something. Let's say, you know, we want to help them lose weight. And I'm like, right, well, let's do a little test of putting you in a deficit and see what happens. And if your body doesn't respond, your body is not ready for it. Especially for women who have been chronically dieting for a long time on low calories, I'm like, we're gonna have to spend a period feeding you up for long enough before your body feels safe and ready to lose any weight, which I know is not what people want to hear is not fun. It's like you have to prepare the body for a brutal ghost. Like like mold. You know, having the old detoxing and mold 
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 detoxing. You can't go straight in with the 
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 big guns. No. If you do that, you just dress your body out. Probably depends on how resilient your body is. But like we said, you know, opening up detox pathways properly, etc.. Having all of that in place means your body can handle more, but you have to be prepared to. Yeah, go at the pace that your body goes at and do certain things and certain orders. Certain things. Certain orders. Yeah. And also like I said before, like I can never predict how someone's body will respond to a protocol. I can guess what it will happen. And based on previous experiences and working with lots of clients, I know what normally happened, but I don't know everything that is going on in that person's body until we start doing something. So sometimes, you know, we've done a gut protocol after doing, you know, opening their detox pathways and getting them into a more rested state and done all the things in the right order, and then a gut protocol and they, you know, don't respond how I would imagine. And so we have to then peel things back and go, right, we're going to have to go slower. And this is why when we said, you know, three months, even though I have that option to work with people in three months, you can't be angry if we haven't got to where you want to be in three months, because I can't push your body further than it's ready to go at that point. 
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 Sometimes you have to go super slow, don't you? 
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 Yeah. We can only go at a pace that your body is ready to go out now. Yes. Going to slow sometimes can be very frustrating and may not be necessary either. We've been through protocols that have been way too slow. Yeah. And I've it's made me frustrated which has then not helped the situation because I've been stuck in stress mode. Um, but yeah, going too 
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 fast. Ones have gone too fast. Right? Yeah. And it can have equally detrimental effects. So let's get the right pace, do the right things at the 
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 right time. Yeah. Order of operations and at the right pace. And also just know that it's going to be a journey because we never know until we do something what's going to happen, what your body is going to do. Because the body is industry sometimes. And even if we're doing everything in the right order, at the right pace, sometimes it will surprise 
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 us. Yes. And then like, ties into fasting. Right. Because a lot of your protocols are fasting, eating them. And it's about 
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 prepping the prepping for 
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 the fast. Like you can't just go into it like eating all the carbs and then you just don't eat for five days. 
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 No, no. And this is where a lot of people go wrong is, you know, there's a lot of information, good and bad online about fasting nowadays. And, you know, whether women should fast or whether they shouldn't fast. And there's it's literally like Marmite, you know, there's people who love it, people who hate it. 
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 And I'm a lover, but not all the time and at the right points. And exactly to your point, you have to prep your body for it. Most people have never fasted since they were a baby, and so it's like going to the gym and trying to squat 200 kilos when you've never been in a gym, like your body's going to hate you, so you have to prep your body for it. And this is why I get my clients to measure things like their ketones, so we can make sure that by the time they go into a fast, their body is in a place where it's ready for it. Um, yeah. And we don't do it with everybody because again, if there's any kind of issues around food, etc., that is not the thing that we're going to add in or someone's got really low cortisol. We can't until we've fixed that. Yeah. And again some people are like when are we going to get to that. And I'm like it depends. It depends. We can't do that unless your cortisol is happy. If you've got trashed cortisol we try and fast you you're just gonna end up in a worse position. So you've got to be prepared to stay the course. I think that's embrace the hard everything. I think that is everything. Tie a bow on it. 
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 Tie a bow on it with a little. 
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 So to summarize. 
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 Embrace the heart. It's gonna take longer than you think. Be prepared to invest time and money, 
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 time and money because it's 
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 an energy it's actually going to cost. Yeah, things might get worse before they get better. Manage your stress well, because we could do all the things in the world. And if stress is too much stress is there. It's not going to work. There's going to be blips. Your body is not static and you have to embrace the suck sometimes. And on that note, 
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 that's a 
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 wrap. That is a wrap with a little bow on top and a 
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 sticker 
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 and a little sticky bow. What are they called? You know 
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 what is a sticky bow? Um, yeah. So thanks, everybody for tuning in. Make sure to like what today's like, comment 
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 we'll be back for another 
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