Hillary Allen is a professional runner with The North Face and author of the excellent, new book, OUT AND BACK. Ryan Haebe is a collegiate national champion (steeplechase and cross country) who ran at the Olympic Trials before experiencing a near-death traumatic brain injury. Haebe battled back to re-join his team, graduate, become a teacher, and win the Canyon de Chelly 55k. In this episode, Hillary and Ryan share laughs and advice for navigating adversity as they discuss a range of topics--including Ryan’s current training for his first 100k--with Travis.