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Spiritual Practices Beyond the Surface with Stefan Burns
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Join me, Giana Giarrusso, as I welcome back Stefan Burns, a former geophysicist turned spiritual Truth seeker. Together, we challenge the sensationalism that can plague astrology, urging a shift from fear-based predictions to tapping into personal intuition. Stefan shares his transformative journey from the scientific realm to the spiritual, highlighting the importance of interpreting astrological events through one's own lens and acknowledging the potential biases of spiritual leaders.
Our conversation takes a deep dive into the search for deeper truths, transcending surface-level interpretations of spirituality and cultural beliefs. We examine historical patterns and their lasting impact on modern thought, questioning the need for external validation in a world eager for certainty. Influenced by figures like Graham Hancock, we emphasize the value of questioning established narratives and staying open to alternative perspectives. It's a reflective journey that encourages listeners to embark on their own paths of self-discovery, filtering information through their personal truths rather than blindly following authority figures.
As we navigate the complexities of spiritual growth and the essence of practices like yoga, the discussion expands to the transformative power of mindfulness and meditation. We explore how stepping out of familiar ideologies can lead to profound personal growth, using metaphors and anecdotal insights to illustrate the journey. From understanding and integrating diverse experiences to addressing the challenges of maintaining yoga's true essence amidst its evolving practice in the West, we celebrate the delicate balance between openness and discernment in our quest for lasting change for a better tomorrow. Tune in to discover how these insights can inspire your own path to self-awareness and transformation.
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welcome to the nearly enlightened podcast. I'm your host, gianna tiruso. I am joined again by stefan burns. Welcome back hello, hello.
Speaker 2:Thank you for having me back on.
Speaker 1:Let's have a fun conversation yeah, I'm glad to have you back. Um, we had a lot of positive feedback about your last episode. Everyone really loved. It, resonated, um, and yeah, so we were chatting on Saturday and I kind of want to bring that back here on the podcast. It's a little bit of a hot take about astrology and just like the healing sphere in general, some things that you are going through in your own kind of healing journey, and I'd love to talk about it here because I think it is so important and it's something that truly resonated with me as well.
Speaker 2:Let's light them up, yeah.
Speaker 1:I love a hot take, anything. Anything hot take or like that kind of shakes people up is really good, like this week's episode that just came out today we actually talked politics and like some pop culture things that are going up. So like I love talking about those hot button topics because I think it's important and I think it's really healthy to have these conversations that are maybe a different perspective or point of view than people are used to. And I think it's important to have those conversations in a respectful way to talk things out, because I think that's how progress is made.
Speaker 2:I guess maybe my hot take has evolved a little bit too since we last talked, because of a few things that I've just been kind of witness to, you could say, and so the the main point was just that, like, I've been studying astrology a tremendous amount since it kind of came into my sphere and it's really helped me in a lot of ways and has someone that came in from the more scientific perspective and had a career in geophysics and geology and then shifted into these more spiritual domains and be more open to all these things and incorporating that into just my worldview, and that went in line with everything that I share on my YouTube channel, which is very educational, informational and has benefited a lot of people. As I get that feedback, um, astrology has been super useful, but I just I just been seeing I guess this is always a thing, but it just seems to be very loud right now with people like wanting like the exact answer to everything for the future and like astrology needing to support that, or looking at astrological transits that are unfolding and some of them you could call quite tense, like all these different squares, for example, which typically is a tense aspect if you have what's called a grand cross where you have a square on each quadrant. That's supposed to be very, very tense, but then sometimes nothing really seemingly comes of it, and I think that's because these energies sometimes work in more background, mysterious ways. But there's just like this let's say, an astrologer sees this grand cross and then turns it into this massive thing, like we are going to see the apocalypse on the 17th of September or something Right, and then what happens is that this person may have a little bit of a following or an authority, and then so someone else runs with it and now you get this whole feedback loop where no one's really looking at the source.
Speaker 2:Material is important, first off, to actually, let's say, look at these transits yourself, but then also like to feel into them yourself, because just what someone else feels into it doesn't mean that's going to be what you get out of it. Um, and like kind of you connecting to intuition and spirit and say, hey, what is this about for me or for the collective? And so we just get this like runaway chain reaction and and so then everyone gets really worked up and like in a fritz and it long term, if, like these things don't happen, it makes it. You know, astrologers look bad and then these people are just looking for like the next, like big rush, so then they just go right to the next thing.
Speaker 1:And of course, this is not just astrology, this is really all aspects of our society yeah, and I kind of have a hot take with this and it's um, a lot of people who are in this sphere as leaders and doing this work. They're kind of cloud, and I said this to you on Saturday. They're kind of clouded by their own experiences and perceptions and we're not getting like an unbiased look at what these aspects or planetary alignments really mean. It's clouded by personal experiences and point of views and that's great in some ways, but in some ways it can be dangerous, like I've noticed.
Speaker 1:I've stepped back from astrology myself because a lot of the astrologers that you see on Instagram and you know on reels, on TikToks, they are fear mongering, like I have just seen a lot of that recently like, don't go out in the full moon, it's dangerous.
Speaker 1:And to me it's like that is dangerous because if you're, if that's what you're putting out there and you're planting the seed in people's minds, um, that this is going to be like a dangerous and like bad day because of the full moon, you're planting that seed for someone, so that's what they're going to attract anyways. So it's like whatever you're putting out there is the frequency that's going to match you. So if you're putting out fear-based astrology, then that's what's going to come back to you is like these fear based experiences. So that's kind of my issue with astrology and not just astrology, but, just, like, I think, a lot of healers and leadership positions in general is that it's not coming from like these are the facts, these are strictly the facts and this is what it is it's. It's coming from this clouded personal perception, like I don't think God is dropping into your channel and being like don't go out into the full moon.
Speaker 1:I mean maybe, but like I don't know, I just don't think that that's the way that the world works and I think, if that's what you're putting out, that's what you're going to attract.
Speaker 1:So if you're constantly listening to these healers or these astrologers that are putting out these kind of fear based channelings, information, whatever you want to call it, like, that's what you're going to call into your fields.
Speaker 1:And you know we live on a planet of duality and we experience the full range of human emotions. So not everything is going to be like pleasant rainbows, sunshine, unicorns, like I am fully aware of that I've been very candid about, like the last couple of years of my life, and like the ups and the downs, and every person experiences that. So I think it's really important to have, um, to be deciphering and to use, to tap into that, your own heart space, and, and I think, with looking for answers outside of ourselves, that's where, like the, the danger comes in. So we want to be fear, uh, like fear mongering ourselves, like just be aware of that, like tap into yourself and see how that feels for you, because I know for me, like listening to some of these astrologers, like I've done a mass on following of of different astrologers and just like spiritual leaders in general. Just that's what they're putting out. That just doesn't resonate with me anymore, like I, I don't know. That's that's where what comes up for me.
Speaker 2:Well, it's interesting because anytime I go out and look at the full moon I feel great. I know same. I'll do meditations and spend some time out there and I mean it's good to be aware of these energies and there are times where the energies are more tense than others, like you just mentioned. I mean, that's life and so it's good to be aware of that. But then there is like this tendency to put on this extra level or layer. And then, yeah, I you know one of the beautiful things about the I guess you could say the spiritual community, like whatever that even means, right, but one of the nice things is that it's it's fairly decentralized. You could say, like you know, you have the church and you have the bible and you have the pope. That's very centralized. Of course there's all these little churches doing their own things now too and kind of breaking off from the mold. But you still see the conditioning with, like this, let's just say, like the catholic church very strongly, um, but in the spiritual community it's kind of all over the place. You have Buddhist beliefs coming in, you have Hindu beliefs coming in, zen and all this stuff all mixing together. It's just really cool.
Speaker 2:So I think in general, there's a lot being done. That's right there, but there does seem to be this undercurrent that people— and there's multiple of these undercurrents uh, some of them, like you call them, like underground rivers, where it's like good, like clean, pure information, you could say, or experiences. But then there's others which are definitely polluted, which a lot of like influential people I can tell are tapping into and using for material or for judging, like making assessments on, let's say, the current quality of time, like these astrologers, right, and as someone that has, like, not just immediately hooked up my pump to these underground rivers to pull water, I've actually gone there as best I can. You know we're only human, but I've gone there as best I can. You know we're only human, but I've gone there as best I can to actually like test the quality. I found a lot of these are quite polluted.
Speaker 2:I'm like there's not really any evidence to support this At least I haven't found it yet, or I will then read the evidence that someone then presents for this statement, right, and it actually that research paper, let's say, does not support what they're saying.
Speaker 2:It's actually the opposite.
Speaker 2:And so there's like this surface level that a lot of people interact with, but not many people go deeper, which is a little unfortunate and it's surprising to me because I mean, I feel like I'm almost alone in this journey and, looking a little bit below that surface level, like how are there out of if we just take a percentage of people right, 10 000 people, let's say, only one person is actually going to the underground river and looking at it and seeing what it looks like and sampling it?
Speaker 2:Why is it such a small, small, small, small percentage? Like that is the spiritual journey is to like go within yourself to examine and find these truths right, and you're not just being given something and fed something and then just rolling with that right. It's to investigate, you get this information but then you run it through your own truth filter and so in many ways that that, um, that just behavioral pattern that people have, that goes all the way back to like, let's say, early Christianity has not changed, it's just been given a new veneer on top. Yeah, so that's what we really need to change.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and so I think we've put a lot of um, like we've given astrology a lot more power than it, than it needs to have, because I think we are looking for, like that instant gratification of like oh, I want the answer now, like I want somebody else to tell me you're putting the power outside of yourself.
Speaker 1:And I grew up Catholic. I went to Catholic school for 12 years, so I studied the Bible back to front and now I I've talked about it a little bit on this season Like I'm going back through the Bible and reading it with spiritual eyes, and not through like the Catholic lens, but just through, like like a spiritual lens. And I thought it was so interesting that literally on the first page of the Bible, interesting that literally on the first page of the Bible, chapter one, right there, it says God gave us the sun, the moon and the stars to tell time. And you talk about like polluting, what it means, like Christians, catholics, now believe that astrology is bad, it's witchcraft. But like it is literally on the first page of the Bible, God was like here, this is how you tell time Stars, sun, moon Like how did we get here? How did we arrive that it's witchcraft? Like that's crazy.
Speaker 2:But at the same time, they'll use the phrase that says there'll be signs in the sky, with the stars and the sun and the moon, to say that rapture is coming. So, uh, yeah, I don't know. We're just in a weird place in terms of like humanity, where people are just like so desperate. I guess we're you know we're we're primates, we're monkeys. We like to hold on to things. Right, we're used to swinging around in trees, and right now we're in this transition.
Speaker 2:It seems like I'm just using a metaphor here, but it's like we leapt off of a tree, right, and we're used to swinging around in trees, and right now we're in this transition. It seems like I'm just using a metaphor here, but it's like we leapt off of a tree, right, and we're like swinging through space to get to the next tree. The next tree is going to be full of fruit and it's much more abundant. It has shelter and everything. Let's hope. Right, this could be called like new earth, but right now people are like reaching out, trying to grasp anything, but there is nothing, because it's just air. We are in this age of air. We look at the astrological energies, we know that we're in an age of air. Um, that's going to continue for a while, so maybe that's just our human tendency to try to reach out and grab something even if there's nothing there.
Speaker 1:We just have to get comfortable with that yeah, I think that, like collectively, like we've all gone through the these phases individually, of like these spaces of transformation where you're like in between, and I think that's where we are collectively and in humanity, and I think that you know it's very polarizing the next couple weeks the election is coming. There's like a lot of division, a lot of just like again, fear mongering, and we are in that space of like there's there's nothing to really do. There's nothing to really do except for be like. We kind of are in that we're like in the middle of the pendulum swing.
Speaker 2:Yeah, that's a good one, yeah, and I just, I, I just, and I also see us like appealing to authorities. And then, uh, just recently, like uh, I mean, I don't have no problem sharing this here on this podcast. Uh, you know, I, I really like uh, there's a gentleman a british chap, you probably know him called graham hancock, right, he talks about ancient lost civilizations and he's written books. I haven't read the books, though I probably should, um, but I've watched uh, his first season on netflix with ancient apocalypse and it's so funny, danielle uh, who was on just before you this week's episode.
Speaker 1:She talks about this exact show.
Speaker 2:Okay well.
Speaker 2:I've listened to some of his podcasts and I like some of his information, and so when I was back in September, I was invited to a podcast with Matt Bell called the Limitless Podcast, and he's great because he really just provides a very open container and gives you a lot of space and will let you fully elaborate on your thoughts and then comes in with good, interesting things to talk about afterwards or steers it. You know very nice guy. Uh, I think he's a pisces, so it makes sense. Um, and so I was on his podcast in september. We had a wide-ranging conversation about all the things I talked about my channel's, like four hours long. It was great. And then he was telling me that he was going to have Graham Hancock on because he really is into these ancient civilizations and lost history and he has this whole. Matt has this whole Egyptian vase collection. You know these ultra engineered and precise vases made out of stone. They don't know how they're made, and so that's like the perfect person to have on the podcast is Graham. And so that's like the perfect person to have on the podcast is Graham. So there's like all this controversy around this British chap Graham and he's, you know, with archaeologists and everything and he's upset with archaeologists for being so authoritative and for trying to like cancel him and this, that, whatever, right. And so a lot of people are resonating with that, because that is a current theme right now of like trying to cancel people's sense or whatever. And so, uh he's, there's an upwelling support for him right now.
Speaker 2:Well, he went on to the limitless podcast with matt and, um, again, we all have our own moods and sometimes we're here there we're more hectic, other times we're more calm, relaxed. But he was just like totally unable to even like catch a breath for just even like a second. And and he seemed almost annoyed that matt was in the room, like yes, it's matt's podcast, but it's almost like he just wanted an uninterrupted two and a half hours of talking. And when matt then did come in with a question or something like this, he was just constantly kind of like uh-huh, yeah, like trying to immediately like get back to him. And uh, we talked about the shumar resonances when I was on the matt podcast, the limitless podcast, and how they could be this information network that ancient cultures communicated with just kind of through their maybe shamanic practices and things of this nature. So you'd think that'd be an idea that Graham would like love to explore.
Speaker 2:So Matt proposed it to him and he just like brushed it off within like just a few seconds and went right back to his original kind of like tirade against archaeologists not being open-minded and like closed off and it just put it. Just put this figure in a new light for me and kind of put this into perspective, because we have these authorities and that if they say certain things, we really like them right, or because they are touching on some trigger point. But then, like, the reason that is such a um, a hot stone for this graham hancock guy is because he displayed many of the same traits that he is rallying against in that podcast. All of a sudden, like whoa, he basically did the exact same thing that he's accusing everyone else of. Maybe it wasn't done, as you know, as bad, but he couldn't find like two seconds to be like hmm, that's an interesting idea, let's think about it.
Speaker 2:Or like to let matt speak. Like matt was going to read, I sent him a message explaining what they were. He was going to read through that. So there you could actually be like here's what this is, what are your thoughts on it? And he kept interrupting him to the point where matt was then just like, okay, know what, here's the short of it gave him like a 10 second spiel which wasn't sufficient to garner any curiosity or interest, and then just moved right on, and so it's clearly just like shutting down and not interested in exploring these other ideas. And that's kind of the whole point of, you know, for this person being open to lost civilizations and ideas and technologies and stuff. And so you see that, even with these people that are really speaking about that, and so that's just something that happened after our conversation that I've been just kind of meditating on because I just want to make sure, like personally, I don't fall into that right. I think it's important for us to not be what we are fighting against.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and I think that that is the case for a lot of us, Like when we kind of hate something about somebody or don't like something about somebody that's outside of ourselves, like that's usually what we don't like about ourselves. Or like I know that Gemini's got a really bad reputation for being like flighty and all over the place, but, um, somebody put it into perspective for me, like using me as an example. It's like I'm really good, Like yeah, I could have my mind totally made up about something, but if you come to me with new information and I analyze it, like I have no problem changing my mind. And yeah, like maybe it comes off as like flighty or or whatever, and I even notice it within this podcast. Like this podcast is now three years old a little more than three years old, I think. I think we're going on four years, Um, and yeah, crazy, Um, and some of the things in the earlier episodes I listened to and I'm like like I don't know if I think that way anymore and I think that that's a really important part of the human journey and learning and growing, and I think it's totally healthy to change your mind and to be open-minded and to allow yourself to take in new information.
Speaker 1:You don't have to take it as the letter of the law, but to allow yourself to be open to like I said earlier in this podcast having conversations and being open and respectful. And you don't have to necessarily agree with the person that you're talking to, but you can disagree in a respectful way where both people, both parties, can get their point of view across, and then I really do believe that that's how progress happens.
Speaker 2:I guess where we are. Like, the metaphor that popped, the vision that popped in my mind is that, like, a lot of people are like mice in a cage, right, and maybe, maybe you've been raised in this cage your whole life, so you know the cage. And then something or someone or some group, whatever comes along and is like here is this new space that you can enter into, right, let's say the first cage is all about like you're, you're all for the government. Let's say, right, there's a billion things that this could be, or all for the church, whatever. And then this other like person or group comes along and says, hey, I have this space for you where it's like anti-government or anti-church or whatever, right. And so the mice are like so happy to go to this new cage, but it just looks different, but still a cage. And meanwhile there's the other option, which is very much what you and I are talking about, which requires a lot more self-empowerment and for you to confront actual fears and uncertainty, which is just hey, open up the door and what's outside the cage? Because that's a huge space which accommodates so, so, so much and gives you the space to be able to change your mind, right, based on new evidence or just beliefs or experiences, and lets you, you know, explore the world and see other cultures and see how they operate and pick up and choose what you like and all this stuff, right. And so I guess we're still very much in a cage mentality. That's just kind of how I'm seeing it and I just I would just like to encourage more people to look at that open door because it's always there, right To look at that open door, see what's outside and actually maybe take some steps out of that, because I feel like that's what I've done the past few years and it's radically transformed my life for the positive and it's also elevated my perspective. I mean, there's still, of course, always things to do and work to be done, whatever right, but definitely definitely like I have a bit more of an eagle eye perspective now, and so I could have.
Speaker 2:Just, I was very excited to see that podcast with Graham on the Limitless podcast, because I've been there, I've been talking to Matt. He was pumped up to have him on. He just released this Ancient Apocalypse show. You know it's like this is great, more info, hopefully new research came out. The show so far is good, but now I'm kind of a little turned off from it, just from this whole thing. But then, like kind of, I was still able to see the currents that were unfolding. I wasn't so blind and so in that camp to not kind of see some of these dynamics play out. And I kind of felt for my buddy Matt, because you know, it's like he, I felt like he wasn't being respected either in that instance and, yeah, it just rubbed me the wrong way. And you see, that with a lot of things and I just it's just a mindfulness thing. It's just a mindfulness thing. That's what it is. It's. Are you just mindful of the other person or your space, your environment?
Speaker 1:And and, I think, remembering too that these people of authority are human beings.
Speaker 1:Like a lot of times we tend to put teachers, any kind of teachers, not just spiritual teachers, but just any kind of authority figure.
Speaker 1:We tend to put them up on pedestals, forgetting that they're they're human and um, I've seen it a lot in the yoga world where it's like, ooh, this big teacher, big fancy teacher Like we're putting, like they're infallible, they can do no wrong, like they're amazing, but like then you really get to know them and you're reminded like, oh, they're human, they're still battling the ego too. And I think that's probably what came up. I mean, I haven't listened to the podcast and I'm actually like I only know the show because my friend Danielle, who was on the podcast for you, she was talking about it, so I'm not really like too familiar with it, but it sounds like it's coming from a place of like ego and constantly being put up on that pedestal where it like gives you this God complex of like, just like what I say goes and I don't know. There's no room for that in the spiritual world and I don't think I think we're moving beyond it societally too, like there's just no room for that energy anymore.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I mean that's one reason I've been analyzing it is because I mean, as we talked about at the very beginning, like those things that kind of trigger you. There's a little bit of that in yourself. So I mean, my YouTube channel is starting to become successful and I can see that dynamic start. It could very well play out, but I'm young and still like let's get this formatted properly now. I really want to see this clearly. So then I don't fall into this dynamic myself, and that's really the idea. And like I recognize that he's just a human being, as anyone is, and so you know it's not the end of the world and it's really just like you know, just do or watch or read what resonates with you, and that's the simple end of it.
Speaker 1:Flexing that discernment muscle is important.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and you don't need to keep going with it either.
Speaker 2:So, and I guess that's just, we have these things that are trying to constantly pull us in.
Speaker 2:So, like this example I gave is kind of in my life trying to pull me in, right, you could say they're like these vortices, but politics is a huge one, right, for, like most people, and I think a lot of the battle is honestly just recognizing the vortex for what it is, seeing it that you're trapped in it, and then just making intentional, like putting intention towards swimming out of that vortex.
Speaker 2:And it may not happen overnight, but with time you will then get outside that whirlpool and all of a sudden the water's calm, your mind is calm, and that's really, I mean, half the battle. Just being like not battle but just being comfortable with yourself is being able to be in silence with yourself and not have to constantly be distracting yourself for everything. So you need, we need to kind of remove ourselves from these vortices and then just have that experience of stillness outside of them, to then kind of get closer to those experiences of like Satori, right, where it's like temporary enlightenment, where you're in a flow state and you're not thinking about all these things that are worrying you. You're just completely enmeshed in the present and the now, and anyone can access that pretty easily if they've channeled their energy and focus towards creative projects or things that really light them up, their passions, et cetera.
Speaker 1:And it's a. It's a practice. This is what I remind students in my, in my yoga classes all the time. Like you come here so I can push you outside of your comfort zone. Like you know, if I know so many people, I hold you in goddess, I hold you in chair pose for a really long time, like people are throwing hate my way, and I keep reminding people like, first of all, this is temporary, this too, shall pass. Second of all, you're here so I push you out of your comfort zone. Your brain is telling you to come out. That's a lie. You can stay, you're strong enough, you got this Right. And if you don't have that like that's, that's what it is too. It's like the practice of overcoming the mind. Like when the mind tells you you want to come out of the pose, that's really when the work begins, and I've had teachers tell me that since I started practicing 13 years ago and my practice wouldn't have expanded if the second I got uncomfortable in a pose. It's like okay, time to come out.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:So it's like allowing yourself to be uncomfortable in those spaces, like we. I think we just always want to be like comfortable in that safe little space and our brain wants to keep us there. But there's there's magic in stepping out of that.
Speaker 2:Yeah, the cage or the open, not even the open room, the open world. Of course, I do have to tell the story about when I had a mouse and I accidentally left the cage door open once and the cat got the mouse. Oh no, you do have to be careful, folks, but you know, that's why you have to build up these skills and trust yourself. I think that's really what it gets to. But I wanted to ask you you said that you get, like you know, people are quote unquote hating you for the long chair pose. Like, do you feel that in the class?
Speaker 1:Oh yeah, you see the faces, you know immediately.
Speaker 2:And.
Speaker 1:I'm an energy reader. I've read energy since I was a child and, like I can, I can feel it coming my way. And then, of course, when I bring it up to everyone's attention, like then, you get the giggles like oh yeah, she's right.
Speaker 2:That's interesting, just because whenever I'm in that situation in yoga class, right, and the person's like doing this long countdown, I'm like happy, I'm like this is great, like finally like enough stimulus or like really pushing it, and I don't know, I just never thought of a yoga like a. I just never thought about how you could have hate in a space for yoga. It just seems so. How's that even possible? I mean, the whole point is to go there third eye inward, like nine, to entertain those feelings.
Speaker 1:See, I think. So. I started practicing regularly 13 years ago and yoga was very different than than it is now. So before you could not find a class that was less than 90 minutes. It was 90 minutes and that was it. And now I think we've watered the practice down a lot because we've made it a fitness class, so it's like just part of like the gym schedule. So we've watered it down. Most yoga classes now are 60 minutes.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:And that extra 30 minutes makes a big difference. And we've kind of taken the other limbs of yoga out of it, right, like we only when we go to a physical practice of yoga, like most teachers I'm generalizing, this isn't everyone. I know some peers that go way beyond, but for the most part on a surface level. That is what it is. The yoga class is just like this 60 minute fitness class. You can even see it. My students are going to laugh when they listen to this episode. But we have been dialing back Chaturanga a lot because what, what we know here in the west, chaturanga, high plank to low plank we made up here in the west. It doesn't exist the way um like that in the east. And traditionally, if we look at the traditional texts, it wasn't like that at all. It was more of an um. I think they call it like eight pointed chaturanga. I don't know the Sanskrit word for it, so don't come for me, but they're coming, I know it's it. So you lower, you shift forward, you lower down its toes, knees, hands, chest, chin on the mat and then it's a pull through to Cobra or upward facing dog. So it's not a push up at all in the East and I've been bringing it to my classes the last like week and a half or so. And there are some people who are very open-minded to it. They're going to give it a try, they're going to go for it. And there are some people who won't listen to me at all. They're still doing their pushup, they just want the fitness, like they don't care um about anything else, and I just think that's interesting to look at, like as an observer, being in front of the classroom. I teach about 10, teach about 10 to 14 classes a week, so it really gives interesting the people who are not willing to step out of their comfort zone. It's like that's what we're here for.
Speaker 1:Like that's the true essence of the practice is to move beyond what the mind is telling you. It's not a physical practice, like the physicality of it is a happy side effect, but really it's about being more flexible of the mind, um, being more flexible of the mind. And in the yoga sutras, in the ancient texts, basically anything that is not that pure focused list state is called a disturbance of the mind. So even even like the happy feelings, like joy, happiness, love, what you know, whatever you want to put in there, um, they are all considered disturbances of the mind from Patanjali's Yoga Sutras, and I think that that is so interesting, that these experiences that we're having in the yoga class, of these ups and downs, of being uncomfortable, of bliss, of all of this it's literally all considered a disturbance of the mind, and the point of it is to focus your mind and stay in that, that place of center. So it's meant to distract you, it's meant to pull you out.
Speaker 1:Another thing that I always talk about in my yoga classes is, if you're taking a hot yoga class like there's no evidence that the heat has any effect on your muscles, like it is purely about making you uncomfortable, it is designed to hot yoga class is designed to make you feel like you're going to die. So that you work through those transitions of the mind of, like you know your mind's like holy shit, it's hot in here. Like, oh my God, I think I need water. Like all of these, this journey that your mind goes through. It's purposely meant to take you there so that you can practice like letting that go and being like okay, this is temporary, this too, shall pass. Like let's stay in this place of center. Let's stay in this place with the breath, and this, too shall pass. So I just I think it's interesting. We've definitely like watered down the practice, um, and you, you see it everywhere, right, like even with what we were talking about with astrology, like I think that it kind of comes back to the same themes.
Speaker 2:So why do we feel this need to dilute everything? Like if we buy this, let's say, like cherry juice, and we just we're not able to drink it, or cranberry juice, for example, we're not able to drink it by itself, and so we need to water everything down. Like, are we so weak now that we just don't have the constitution for it?
Speaker 1:Like, I think it's a mental weakness and I think that's why, like some of the teachers who are teaching these principles, like people either love them or they hate them. Like if you have the mental fortitude, this is going to be kind of a hot take. But if you have the mental fortitude to like sit with that discomfort, then like great, I'm your teacher. But if you are kind of weak in the mind, like I should be your teacher, but like you probably don't have the to see it through, and like that's sad but I always see it as like I'm planting the seed. So even if somebody comes to my class and they absolutely hate it, like I planted a seed for them and that seed will hopefully grow and flourish and maybe they'll find the teacher that's for them so that they can overcome these disturbances of the mind and I think it's important to recognize that there are these ebbs and flows in life, and so just I mean like when I'll use myself as an example with the gym.
Speaker 2:Like, I like to go to the gym, I like to push myself, and I used to do that in a very tense way with like powerlifting in the past and had some really strong lifts, and now they're much weaker because I've been traveling. I finally just settled down and so that got me excited to start going back to the gym and getting everything back up again and being more consistent with yoga and things of that nature. Well, it's like okay, I landed in San Diego and then within just a couple of weeks, I had to go back to Pennsylvania for a month to see family and ship things back. So that threw all that off. And then, right when I got back to San Diego again, I was like great, let's hit it. All of a sudden I got sick, and that was like a week long, which was very surprising, but it happened.
Speaker 2:And so you have like these. Sometimes these waves come in that will like push you down, and so you may find yourself now not as fit or maybe not as mentally strong you could say in terms of as mindful, whatever it is right, kind of pushing you down. But again, it's just what is your vector direction? What is your orientation like? Are you still pointing up, you could say, and wanting to make progress here, there, whatever? And you're not going to stop these external waves, you know, hitting your shores. But so long as you just set your direction, and that's with a whole bunch of very small, intentful, mindful decisions and practices, then eventually you'll climb back over those setbacks and then sometimes waves come in your favor, right, and quickly accelerate everything.
Speaker 2:And so I just feel like that's very important to recognize that we do have these external waves coming in and when they do not to second guess yourself and thinking that, oh, I'm now being lazy or I'm just weak or this, that whatever it's like, maybe it's just a very it's like a tsunami, for example. But once you can finally bob your head up again, you'll realize that you still have the right direction, which is towards, you know, self-actualization and greater spiritual development and getting closer to those satori moments or enlightenment or God, and just being a better person, right, if you just want to God, and just just being a better person, right, if you just want to really boil it down as being a better person. So it's important to recognize that. I mean we do have those external influences coming in at times.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and honoring those seasons of life, like I, um, I don't know, I don't I don't think I've ever talked about this but um, like probably two years into teaching yoga, I took a two year break from teaching yoga because it just outside things happen. I was like not really happy with where the community was in my area and just thought like it was watered down and there was a lot of people that were like posers, that were part of the community and I just didn't want to be a part of it. And I took a two year break from from teaching Cause I just I didn't know if I wanted to continue down and that was like part of the season of of my life and I don't think I would have gotten back to teaching or been so successful in coming back if I hadn't taken that break and just like pushed through.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I mean those external waves that come in. They make us stronger so long as we survive them, and so it's important to keep working against that or sometimes to go with that, if that's easier, but still maintain your overall course trajectory. I mean I go through those phases with yoga where I'll do a lot of classes and then I just kind of stop going to classes. I mean I go through those phases with yoga where I'll do a lot of classes and then I just kind of stop going to classes. I do a lot of self-practice, yeah, and I find that really nice. But yeah, I just want to see society less divided right and less sure of themselves. I would like to see society like less sure themselves because everyone thinks everything is this, that exactly, like whatever.
Speaker 1:Like black and white yeah.
Speaker 2:Oh my God, and it's like, can we just remain open to these ideas? I think one of the reasons why in this podcast with Graham Hancock, with my buddy Matt, the reason why he didn't even really want to consider this interesting proposition about the Shumar residences being this information exchange layer for ancient cultures and that's why we see, let's say, pyramids in Mexico and pyramids in Egypt and pyramids in Southeast Asia or similar iconography and things of this nature is because he already has his explanation for that and so this is a contrary explanation. I don't think that they have to be oppositional. I think they're very much harmonious together. But I also haven't spent 30 years writing books and, you know, speaking about this and making you know my, my claim on this, and so I can be open to all this stuff. But I think it's because it kind of challenged what he had already set and believes in, that it was like let's not even entertain this idea.
Speaker 1:Yeah, let's not go there.
Speaker 2:Yeah, even though it's like that's the thing with the spiritual community. If we get back to like first principles and I don't think calling it the spiritual community is the right way to call it right but just this group of people that just seems to be more open to things, we just have to remember that kind of foundational ethos and not let ourselves be put into camps and then mice cages, because those forces are always working there to do that. And so just remaining very open and you can take in information from this person, you can take in your own experience over there and then integrate them together however, however it resonates and however you see fit, but just being just being open to this stuff. And so that's why I like it when people present interesting ideas, but then I look into them right to see if there's anything to them. I don't just take it at face value. That's the other thing too. It's like be open but discriminating.
Speaker 1:Yeah, even this podcast, like don't take everything. I say I'm, I'm a student of this as well, like I, yeah, I'm a teacher, but I'm also, like forever a student. And I don't think that, when it comes to these kinds of philosophies that there's like a destination, it's, there's, there's no destination, it's just it's I don't know, I don't know what it is yeah, I mean it's.
Speaker 2:I find it really interesting. Uh, considering the youtube channel, you have the podcast and I'm sure you notice at times that some of the content that gets released just really resonates with people and it's almost like this energetic, like finishing an energetic puzzle, and sometimes there's a certain transmissions that occur, and we're not the only ones doing this, of course, it happens in all aspects of life but it's like we're really just fractals of God or universe that are helping people put puzzle pieces together and to make that aha moment and it's not even necessarily the like this conversation specifically. You know we haven't talked about anything I would say super mind-blowing or whatever right, but it might just be that final little moment or thing that does finally click something for someone that's. That's like that is what's super, super important, impactful, and then sets that long-term trajectory change, and so that's really the goal I don't know if I heard this episode like five years ago.
Speaker 1:It might have. It might have been a big aha moment for me yeah, we, we, I.
Speaker 2:I think that's it. We're really hoping to deliver aha moments and they come in a whole bunch of ways, but I personally can rest happy if I deliver a lot of aha moments to other people around the world. I mean, I already have. If I continue to do that, I think that is a life well lived.
Speaker 1:Yeah, 100,000 YouTube youtube subscribers.
Speaker 2:That's something to celebrate yeah, and people really seem to be resonating with that and liking some of the things I do and I just I, I I just want to stay very open and grounded. I'm it's actually kind of funny because all these, uh, all these astrology memes would be, um, I mean maybe, well, this is an audio format, but it's would be. I mean maybe, well, this is an audio format, but it's. You have the really low IQ person. It says Gemini is a crackhead, and then, and then you have the 100.
Speaker 2:I'm going to take personal offense to that, that's right. And then you have the 100 IQ person saying Gemini is just like any other astrological sign. You know there's all these nuances and other placements. Make up the chart and say to look at the whole thing. And then you have like the 200 IQ person saying Gemini is a crackhead. And what I find so refreshing about this is that you're actually I feel like you're very grounded for Gemini.
Speaker 1:That is the biggest compliment that I could ever receive from anyone.
Speaker 2:Because I'm a Virgo, so we're both ruled by Mercury. So Mercury is all about information and pulling these things and has an inherent duality with Mercury. This book that I read by Alan Leo, called Astrology for All, talks about how Mercury is the integration of. What did he say? He says the integration of I think it was the sun, moon and Venus all together. So it's like this higher spiritual principle.
Speaker 2:And so there is this you know, when you are very how do you say this? When you are really in touch with the spiritual truths, that is very grounding. And so there is, I think, a a certain if you can get past that surface level, kind of gemini or virgo nature, that mercurial nature which is just always wanting more information and flighty or just wishy-washy or just kind of hasn't made up their mind, right, if you get past that, I think there's a tremendous amount of gold in there, because you still retain that property of being able to see all these things and integrate it. But there's this deeper spiritual truth foundation. That's really important. Everyone has their own way of accessing that and that's really key.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and I think for me it was going within, and for a long time I was. I think that's why, like I said, if I heard this podcast like five years ago, it would have been a huge aha moment for me, because I was always searching for those answers outside of myself. I was going to people to facilitate Reiki for me, or I was going to tarot card readers or whatever. It was always searching for these answers. And then when I really stopped pushing away the practice of meditation and using my own tools, that's really when things opened up for me and I kind of got this more grounded spirit, because before that it was not the case at all.
Speaker 1:I was your classic like crackhead Gemini, that's like all over the place, here, there and everywhere, and I naturally have like a high energy. I have a lot of fire in my chart, so I naturally have like a lot of energy, a lot of fire, energy, which can be very intense for some people, and I think that learning how to ground just helped me channel it in a better way. So now it's like received a little bit better and I think that's why I ended up with a podcast. I ended up teaching I'm like, oh, I'm kind of always on stage, but I think if I didn't find those roots and been able to really ground myself, then I don't think I would have been as successful in these kind of spaces.
Speaker 2:I have a very similar kind of progression. I feel like to you, in that I think everyone has their own gifts and talents and passions and we need to find outlets for those that are very healthy and constructive and benefit others generally, right, and when we do that, a lot of the other stuff which is noise, just kind of fades away. But if we're not doing that, then I think that's when we get into this like I need to be learning, like, let's say, I need more information all the time. The future is uncertain, what's the future hold? I need some guidance. Because now it's looking to the external, as you mentioned, and so I find that journey to the internal really came through okay, what are my natural, latent, god-given talents and abilities and how can I appropriately channel those?
Speaker 2:And then, if I do that consistently, all of a sudden all the other stuff which was a big priority or focus because there was this like inherent amount of uncertainty and you could say fear, right, this is that all goes back to fear at the end of the day, that kind of just dissolves away.
Speaker 2:Would just like to encourage people to pursue more of their own skills and talents and passions and then just try that out for three months and see where that takes them.
Speaker 2:Um, that's something I have to remind myself with is like, I mean, there's a lot of stuff I have to do now and so it's like, am I just gonna spend my time like scrolling through things and reading other viewpoints and hot takes or whatever, or am I going to, like take that time I could have done this, that, done that kind of wasteful activity, or am I going to spend that 20 minutes doing this thing that I then won't have to do tomorrow, like get the kitchen clean or some of these other things, like get my space like nice, get my business stuff, like done, set ready, everything in order, and just making those micro decisions?
Speaker 2:I really do the big picture stuff. I really truly 100% believe this. The big picture stuff and seeing that and having these grand manifestations, you could say it really does come down to making sure that every small decision that you make is done in alignment with higher spirit, or at least a very high percentage of them, because no one will bat perfect, but if you just consistently, nine times out of 10, are making the right decisions, everything else will fall into place.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I love that. I that's something that I'm working with now is like being consistent and that energy of consistency because, again, I'm a Gemini, so this is sometimes a practice for me, but when, like I've seen it with the podcast, this is the first year that I've been super consistent with episodes and it's flourished, it's absolutely flourished and I'm blown away and humbled by it. And I think it comes back to also what you kind of touched on is like using your gifts to be in service, and that was something that really hit for me Once I learned these tools. It was immediately like, oh, okay, this has lessened my anxiety, depression, whatever. Now I'm going to use this and I'm going to like scream it from the rooftops and be like you can heal your anxiety with breathwork and just being in service to other people.
Speaker 1:I think there's something that is so fulfilling about that, like it's different when we're searching for ourselves, like yes, that's fulfilling too. But once you have that, it's kind of like okay, now what and this goes back to what we say in the episode with Danielle is going back to community, going back to like loving your neighbor and like not having your head buried in your phone when you're walking down the street like smile at a stranger. It's that human connection and that being of service that's really going to like move the needle forward as far as humanity goes.
Speaker 2:Yeah. I guess in my humble opinion if we get to snap our fingers and get rid of phones, I wonder what our society would look like three months later uh, I'm like so torn about this, though, because if that was the case, like we wouldn't be able to do this yes, yes so I I don't know I'm I'm torn about it like I.
Speaker 1:I mean, I think that, being a millennial, I think we're really lucky because we got to see like life before and like kind of moved through the technological boom. But my family is still in, some of my family is still in Italy. So before the internet was really readily accessible, before phones were basically many computers, like when we called them we would have to get a calling card and like we would talk to them for five minutes. It was like hurry up, like say everything you need to say in five minutes and then hang up and like we'll talk to you again in four months. And now it's like, oh, I can just shoot them a message and they get it instantly.
Speaker 1:So I'm always torn about this and I think it's really how you use it. It's like how technology is used and having that balance of like okay, time to unplug, like I love nighttime, my phone goes on airplane mode, I shut the wifi routers down and like having that balance. And sometimes it's hard to do Cause like yeah, I want to lay in bed and scroll, but I know that it's that mental discipline to like shut it down and just be done with it and allow time of just being with my legs up the wall and just a little breath work.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I guess we were given these tools and I guess maybe that's also the human. If we zoom out to like the million year picture, maybe that is the evolutionary journey that we're being given right now. As humans, because of all the different animals, we are the only animal that really uses tools to a very developed degree. I mean, a chimpanzee with a stick fishing for termites or something isn't then able to use that stick to just kind of scroll around or whatever right, like we have these amazing tools. It's not just phones, it's a whole bunch of things Also like breathwork, whatever right, all those tools. And I think maybe our evolutionary push now is like can you we're going to give you these tools, can you use them appropriately? Can you the good ones? Can you use them when you need them rather than ignoring them? And then the bad ones, or the ones that have this potential to be abused, can you limit yourself to use them when only appropriate?
Speaker 2:And I guess that just comes back down to consciousness. And was it that you really want? Like, what do you? What do you really want and how much of that desire that you have within you is, let's say, programmed right? Because if you've been programmed with these external desires that actually aren't resonant with your spirit, then you will do those things, whereas I mean, a good example could be someone that is, like, not comfortable with their body, and so their Instagram is filled with all these model pictures, right, and they're scrolling because they're like I want to be like that. I want to be like that.
Speaker 2:It's like, well, you were just given the body that you're given. You can do all these things to make it as nice as possible, but you'll never look like that model, because they're a different person and so that's like a behavioral program. Maybe that person was given at a young age, um, and so we just needed to like how do we find those non-resonant energies? Because that's what you could like kind of boil it down to is it's like some energy, thought form that lives in our biofield, our aura, our fascia, body. How do you find those? And then like, purge them out. I mean, yoga is a great way of doing that, breathwork is a fantastic way, but you have to do those things in the first place to do that.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and sometimes that's the hardest part is showing up and getting there. I mean, I probably since I was 13, I had a very close family member who would say go to yoga, you should try yoga. And I was always like no, no, no, no, no. And then something happened when I turned 20 and it just clicked and then it's become like a regular part of my life. But I think I've talked about this in the past. It goes way beyond to like patterns of self-sabotage, like sometimes those are programmed. Actually, I would say 99% of them are programmed and they're from ages like zero to nine. And I've gone through the break method with busy gold and she talks a lot about this and it's all about brain repatterning and stopping those self-limiting beliefs and getting back in the driver's seat of your life to make those decisions, to like stop those, those brain patterns that are creating bad habits, bad behaviors, self-sabotage, like you name it, and to rewire your brain to recognize them and to choose differently.
Speaker 2:And I think that's a really hard path to take and I do hope that people in humanity are are leaning towards that so that we can see a better tomorrow it really is like this integration period, after you have some sort of experience, to then integrate that and so like a classic example that we have a ton of research on now would be psychedelics. Let's say you take a little bit of mushrooms or whatever and you have this altered perception of reality. And my experience with psychedelics is that when you have non-resonant energies within your let's just call it biofield, but really just like a whole quantum thing, right? Just like you have these thingsresonant energies within your let's just call it biofield, but really this is like a whole quantum thing, right? Just like you have these things that aren't, they're like the not self, right, you have yourself god-given. Then you have these not selves that are maybe attached to you or your environment. You notice things in your environment, whatever I find those all of a sudden stick out really clearly like everything is that's good and healthy, is like green, and then all of a sudden stick out really clearly like everything is that's good and healthy, is like green. And then all of a sudden you see it's like bright, neon, purple light or something that's like clearly something that you need to identify and like fix. You could say it's made very apparent, it's. I don't actually see these colors, but that's just the metaphor, um, but it's really the integration I mean.
Speaker 2:They've they've done research with different psychedelics showing that you can administer a psychedelic. And this is for, like mice, like the study that I'm referencing. They gave this like novel psychedelic to mice and when they uh, and then there was like this learning maze test that they had afterwards and they had to the mice that were given the psychedelic, they consistently did that learning task afterwards and kept at it. That's when they showed a tremendous amount of brain plasticity and rewiring of their reward patterns because they were doing this maze even without being given a reward, like a little treat, whereas the mice that weren't given it would not do the maze without the treat. But meanwhile, of course, getting better at the maze is better for you, because now you're, you know, a little smarter, a little sharper things of this nature. But they took that maze away. They gave the psychedelic and then took the maze away for like a week. It didn't, none of the effects clicked and the plasticity didn't click.
Speaker 2:And so I think that's an important part of this is like just being aware of that integration period and being aware of the consistency that you need to show throughout that.
Speaker 2:And so, in the classic example this is not what I'm like, let's say, recommending to people, this is just an example that's very well researched is that you can give a psychedelic, and then there's that integration period where you should then meditate on what came up for you. You know, journal, however, you want to do that work through that, um, but this goes for a whole host of things, and you could do all the psychedelics in the world. But if you don't do that integration, you're just going to be in a karmic loop now where you're not addressing these, these things that are there and not actually. You see that bright, neon, purple light, but you're not actually grabbing it and moving it out of your space, and so it's like you see it and then it fades back and everything's like the same muted colors again, because now you don't have the heightened perception. And then you see it again. You're like, oh yeah, I forgot that thing was there, and then it fades back and it's just like this loop. But that integration is really, really important.
Speaker 1:Yes, I talked about this in my yoga classes too, because Shavasana is an integration pose, so you see it in the people who are. Like when Shavasana is coming up, they're like grabbing their mat, they're leaving. It's like you're missing the best part of the practice, Like if you don't integrate what you've just learned, like what was the point of being here at all?
Speaker 2:Shout out to Stephanie at oh my Yoga in Camp Hill, pennsylvania, because she had an awesome class. It was a lot of fun, but she always gave us a super long, juicy shavasana.
Speaker 1:Oh, I love that.
Speaker 2:Oh, it was so nice and it was long enough to actually get into those deeper states and to do that integration, whereas a lot of classes it's like, okay, shavasana, corpse pose, and then it's like three minutes later they're like, okay, start wiggling your toes. I'm like I was still wiggling them the whole time. I hadn't even calmed down yet. Like, oh, my god, this is three minutes for like this 70 long, 70 minute long class, like it needs to be a sufficient length of time, and Stephanie would do like these 15 minutes of asanas or longer, which was like the perfect length, and you know you could stay there longer if you wanted. But yeah, that's a really important thing too. And I guess that comes back to giving ourselves time, recognizing that we have time and that we're not like starved of time. I think there's like this fear that we don't have enough time. It's like we don't but we do.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I agree, and it's like what are you using your time on? Like my friends or like students that are always like I don't have time to meditate? I'm like what was your screen time last week? Oh yeah, do you have time?
Speaker 2:I think you just have to reallocate your time say, my videos are too long on YouTube and these are, like. You know, I go in depth into the science and everything and a lot of people love it. Some people like it's too long and that's fine. Like they're like, can you make like short form content or TikToks and stuff. It's like you're not going to learn this stuff with the TikTok and I. You know everyone has their own way of doing it. Like for long for like, if I was listening to this podcast, I'd be washing my dishes right now, I'd be sweeping up and cleaning around the house, right. It's not like I'm just sitting there listening to it the whole time, like I'd be doing things, but I'd be actively engaged at the same time. So it's like you can find ways to work in this like long form, really deep, impactful information, you could say, while still getting stuff done, like. But I guess maybe that's a more mercurial thing where we can multitask better.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I don't know, I always this is like maybe the Gemini in me, but I speed up the audio times two and I'm also doing the things Like your brain gets used to it.
Speaker 2:Yeah, you can do times two.
Speaker 2:Yeah, you know, I recently started editing my videos. I found out if I hit L on my keypad for Premiere Pro it. I found out, if I hit L on my keypad for Premiere Pro, it speeds it up and so it makes editing a little faster. And then when I go back and I hit L again to slow it down, I'm like, oh my God, I sound so stupid Because everything is so slow and it's just, yeah, your mind does get used to it. Of course I'm not stupid just because it's a little slower than the 2x speed, but you do get used to it. I do like certain things to be at normal pace. You can get that timing, but other things that are kind of informational and you know, it's just really about getting all the info. Yeah, I mean, speed that guy up.
Speaker 1:Maybe that's that's our mercury flexing there. We just want that information and we want it in double the time, like half the time there is a little bit of a of an information starved aspect.
Speaker 2:I've been encountering that myself where I just feel like I'm and I. So that's the other thing. The reason why this got brought into my mind and my sphere is because I'm grappling with some of this myself and wanting more and more and more and wanting some certainty, but you know, there is no certainty at the end of the day other than yourself and like what you can do, and so that's that's why I wanted to jump on here. So we have this conversation, because I feel like us talking about this hopefully could be helpful to some other people, because I really feel like I'm just picking up on everyone's their own individual, but I also feel like I am very much picking up on a collective vibe with that and just wanted to to work through that as best, as best we could and just to reaffirm some of these things that we know work.
Speaker 2:You know, one of the things I say is that we like work done is work done. Like if you were like the pyramids you build a pyramid, no one's going to take that pyramid and gize it down. Right, the big one, the big one. Like no one's going to take it down and we have to remind ourselves that, like you know, with time pay attention to all these little details the big picture starts to materialize. Like all that work is done, it's not going away. Erosion erosion is a pretty slow process. Building is a pretty quick process, so keep building, building, building. Don't worry about erosion. Take breaks if you need to and everything will work out.
Speaker 1:Oh, I love that. That's the perfect message and I'm so glad that you came back on the podcast. I think this is a really great conversation and, like I said, if I found this five years ago, I think it would have been just what I needed to hear.
Speaker 2:Yeah, jump off that cliff go. I think it would have been just what I needed to hear. Yeah, jump off that cliff. Uh, don't go out of the cage. Just make sure you don't do it in a house where there is a cat that wants to eat you.
Speaker 1:Thank you so I know rip rip yeah but cats will be cats yeah, I mean like the best part of felines, I have two.
Speaker 2:I mean, that is, that's the journey of life. Like Molly maybe this is also the metaphor Like Molly did walk out of the cage right, and maybe that was a step that that little mouse needed to take, and then it went through a reincarnation process and maybe Molly became like a cat or a dog or a human or a bird or something. I don't know. But I feel like that is kind of, in many ways, the signal that God needs. It's not that you need to step out of the cage and then God's like okay, I need you to examine the entire room or the house to find a little golden cheese nugget. Maybe you just need to step room or the house to find a little golden cheese nugget. Maybe you just need to step out of the cage to show that you did it. And then God gives you the next stage, the reward, the bounty, whatever it is.
Speaker 1:I love that. My grandmother. She was a great spiritual teacher of mine and I think, even though she's passed, she still is. But she used to say all the time God helps those who help themselves. So if you're not taking those action steps, like you're sending mixed messages to him so he can't give you what you want, it's like the same thing. You know you're manifesting and the people who are like, oh, manifesting doesn't work for me, it's like okay, but you can't just like sit and think about it. Like just like sit and think about it, like what are the action steps you're taking to like bring that energy towards you?
Speaker 2:yeah, yeah, I find also manifesting is like doing the thing and then actually totally disassociating from that thing, and that's when things happen like oh, let's say like release a video and I'll take a nap, and that's when the videos blow up. Yeah, like that, because I'm in like this unconscious astral space, and that's when all the magic happens not like refreshing the analytics, like yeah, exactly, exactly.
Speaker 2:So, um, yeah, hopefully our conversation has some value for some people. I I really hope that and I I appreciate you having me on the podcast and my mind feels a little clearer now.
Speaker 1:Oh, I love that.
Speaker 2:That we can work through and process some of these individual but also very much collective things. You know we are all one. You know Dr Bronner's is on my soap bar, I believe it. So you know, I hope that this was valuable to everybody.
Speaker 1:It absolutely was. Thank you for being here. It's always a pleasure, open, invite anytime you want to come back on. There's always like tons of golden information. I think spirit really guides these episodes and whatever is meant to come out for the collective is what kind of happens here. So thank you for being here. Thank you all for listening. If this resonates, please like, subscribe, share with somebody you love and I'll see you next time.