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Pop as a Portal: Taylor Swift, Nervous System Healing, and the Courage to Stay Soft

• Giana Rosa Giarrusso • Season 4 • Episode 16

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In this episode, I am joined by Danielle of Venus Rising. Together we unpack Taylor Swift’s latest era through the lens of healing and self-discovery. We pair The Tortured Poets Department’s gray skies with The Showgirl’s bright hooks, tracing the thread that runs through love, boundaries, and the everyday practice of nervous system regulation. From the echo of The Fate of Ophelia to the quiet bravery of Wi$hLi$t, we explore how music becomes a mirror—naming our desire to be both pursued and safe, without asking us to dim our voice or vision.

We get honest about those first listens (6 a.m. “nope,” 50 mph “okay wow”), the tension between celebrity wealth and relatability, and what it means to find value in a time when so many are feeling stretched thin—financially, emotionally, and spiritually. That opens a bigger conversation about the worth of service work—yoga, hair, healing—and the difference between burnout and fair exchange. We talk about pricing as a boundary, education as investment, and the truth that care can only exist when the caregiver is cared for, too.

And because we love to zoom out, we push back on prediction culture—the obsession with what’s “meant to be.” Instead, we talk about choosing free will over fate, trading prophecies for presence, and finding tools that help us stay grounded in our own becoming.

If you’re in a season of revisiting old patterns—reaching out to exes to rewrite rejection, running when staying would heal—we walk through gentle, embodied practices to help: slow movement, breath-led resets, and mini-pauses that teach the body what safety feels like. We also talk about the courage it takes to communicate clearly, the fear of being misunderstood or “canceled”.

If this conversation speaks to you, follow Nearly Enlightened, share it with a friend who needs a little hope today, and leave a review—what lyric or moment hit you hardest?

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SPEAKER_01:

Welcome to the Nearly Enlightened Podcast, a high vibe toolbox designed to help you connect to your body, mind, and spirit. I am your host, Gianna Girusso, and I'm here to share tools, conversations, and insights to help you on your journey of self-discovery. This podcast is all about exploring what it means to live a conscious, connected, and nearly enlightened life because the truth is the answers aren't outside of us, they're already within. Let's dive in. So if you're on YouTube, you can watch us today, which is really exciting. Um, I'm here with Danielle from Venus Rising. We are in her office at Soul Sanctuary.

SPEAKER_00:

Thanks for having me.

SPEAKER_01:

Thanks for uh having us. Um, because your studio is or your office is so pretty. So if you're watching, um, enjoy this tranquil space.

SPEAKER_00:

Thanks.

SPEAKER_01:

So we've talked since that last episode, I think, but we had an episode when TTPD came out and she Taylor dropped a new album. So it's only fitting that we're here to dissect this new album.

SPEAKER_00:

Exactly. I know. I have mixed emotions and mixed thoughts.

SPEAKER_01:

I know you said that from the beginning.

SPEAKER_00:

Yeah, I can't wait to get into it.

SPEAKER_01:

Yeah, so um, let's just jump right in. I'm gonna go through, I'm gonna get the album up and let's just go through it thong by thong because I think that's what it deserves. Yeah. Um first I want to talk about so on this past Saturday, I did a Taylor Swift themed yoga class, and I had had an old playlist in the past, like all of her sing-along hits and some of my favorites. Um, and I was just gonna throw in a couple of songs from Life of a Showgirl and use that playlist and call it a day, but my intuition was speaking to me on Friday night, and it was like, make a playlist that is TTPD versus Life of a Showgirl, and let the class theme be like let life ebb and flow as it does and stay centered. Like life is gonna be good, life is gonna be bad, and everything in between, and like how do you ebb and flow?

SPEAKER_00:

Right. No, I love that.

SPEAKER_01:

And so that is what if you want the playlist, I can link it in the show notes. Um, because it's some of my finest work, I have to say. I'll take it, and yeah, it just goes to show like she was in this. I mean, clearly TTPD was like depression bobs, yeah. Like she was going through it, she was going through it, she was going through a breakup, and I don't think it was just even about breakup, but just like life in general, yeah.

SPEAKER_00:

I think people could relate to that because the past five years and like obviously now is probably like maximum like depression for people and feeling of hopelessness, and there's just a lot going on in the world. So I think that album might have been more relatable for a lot of people, and even people who are like seemingly happy, I don't think they really are truly that happy right now. So this new album being like so perky and just like simple. Is it though? Because I think there are some there are some songs like Ruin the Friendship, yeah, is still sad and a little dark, yeah. It's a little bit dark.

SPEAKER_01:

Um it's about somebody who who dies and like seemingly maybe suicide.

SPEAKER_00:

Right. I think it was a juggle. But we can I did see on like TikTok that you know some people make it a real career to like deep dive. I think it's so funny, but for me, I'm like, okay, what what am I scrolling through because what am I believing and what am I not in? Like at the end of the day, it's none of our business unless she wants to tell us.

SPEAKER_01:

Right. And it's art, so it's like up for interpretation. And that's I think so. I wasn't a Taylor Swift fan for so long, and then I was going through it when TTPED came out, and it was so relatable that I felt like she was like reading my diary, yes, or like reading my journal.

SPEAKER_03:

Yep.

SPEAKER_01:

And I think that's why it became so meaningful to me and how I like truly became a fan. And like it's hard not to because you know, say what you want about her, but she kind of is like a decent role model, like not glorifying or putting anyone up in this, like I don't believe celebrities should be idolized. Like, I believe that that is literally a sin. Um they're like remembering that they're just humans and just like appreciating her for the business mastery and the artistry that she provides, I think is where I'm at a genius.

SPEAKER_00:

I think like who can I mean obviously she has a team, but like the way her mind works, and I love like pattern recognition. So for me, I'm like, how did she come up with this? Because for me, I see like clues later on, especially with what I do as a shaman, is like I'm looking for pattern recognition between like all dimensions. And so when she comes out with a new album, I'm like, oh my god, the amount of Easter eggs, it's like I like to get to the bottom of things. So for me, I'm always super intrigued of like, okay, how does this connect to this past album? And for me, and I did see someone else was saying this theory is I do think that each song kind of did also sound like another album of hers, or like another song. And I'm like, what song is this? And I haven't quite figured it out yet. But they also did sound like she sampled like other songs. So a part of me is like, was this whole album a dupe? Like to dupe us and like start like her being sarcastic and basically being like, This is basic pop.

SPEAKER_01:

It is basic pop, but uh yeah, as like a former 90s pop girly, like I'm I'm kind of here for it.

SPEAKER_00:

It did take me a couple listens to like it at first glance. Like I woke up at six o'clock in the morning on Friday when it came out, and it came out obviously at midnight, but I'd rather wake up early than stay up late. So I woke up and I had put a little note in my phone, like listened to the new album, and I turned it on and I was just like not here for it. I'm like, maybe it's too early. I don't know. I got it.

SPEAKER_01:

I know, I remember you you messaged me and you were like, I don't think I like it.

SPEAKER_00:

And I was like, Ooh, I know, but then I got the car and I was like, all right, this has to be like I gotta be alone in the car, I gotta be driving, you know, you have to be going at least 50 miles an hour to really get into a song sometimes. And so I had the windows down and I was like, all right, I can get like on board with these. There are catchy songs, catchy.

SPEAKER_01:

Like you feel like the first time I listened to them, I felt like I already knew the words. Like, yeah, I don't know why.

SPEAKER_00:

It was like very weird experience. Exactly, exactly. I don't know, but I ended up like I like most of the songs. Some of them I'm like, whatever. Let's go through them. Yeah, let's go through them because so I think they're all different. They're also even though they all sound very similar.

SPEAKER_01:

Yeah. Um The Fate of Ophelia. So first song on the album. Um my initial thoughts on this one was it kind of had a sad, even though it's like poppy and upbeat, it still kind of has a sad undertone because if you, you know, like um, so it it comes from Hamlet Shakespeare play and Ophelia, one of the main characters, and in the play, Ophelia dies, and it's kind of like, did she commit suicide? Was it an accident? Was she drowned? Yeah, and um, so like, and it leaves it up for interpretation in the play. And I thought it was interesting um for her to name a song by this, and um like she talks about in the beginning that that she could have drowned in her melancholy, and I think it's referencing the time of TTPD of like how she was feeling.

SPEAKER_00:

Oh, yeah, absolutely, but I also think it's like her most poetic song on the album because who really like thinks up these concepts and no, it's so and writes a song about it. I'm like, oh my gosh, like just the way her mind works is very fascinating and interesting. And you know, she did say, because I went to the release party at the movie theater, and she did say what each song was about, and she was saying that she just loves Shakespeare and that he's like still like underated, and she just loves it and thought, wow, and of course, it probably relates to her on a personal level, yeah. Definitely.

SPEAKER_01:

Um I'm reading a lyric right now that says you dug me out of my grave and saved my heart from the fate of Felia, and it's just talking about like how she was in this deep dark place, and then like not that it's always about a man and like finding love, but she talks about it in a song later in the album about like not believing in in marriage, but that was a lie, and I think it's a lie that a lot of women in our generation have told ourselves, absolutely, and I I said it to you, and I'll say it again.

SPEAKER_00:

It's like that fear of rejection, it's like the rejection protection, and everyone's like, I don't think I want this. It's like, well, are you hopeless about it? And you're saying, I don't think I want it because you don't think it will happen, or are you just like in a place of feeling hopeless? And I think a lot of women are right now because we spend so much time on the internet, we have so many different stories, we have so many different world events going on where this just this imbalance of power or anger that women have towards men, rightfully so. And we got to figure out a way to process and we gotta figure out a way to release this fear so that we are not perpetuating fear out in the world. And it's like I love Taylor Swift because she I feel like she always comes out with how we're feeling at a collective level, or like kind of what we need, and what we need right now is some positive reassurance, but I think there's mixed emotions, especially like myself as like a single person. I'm like, hmm, is this like I know it happened for her, but now that it's happened to her, like, are people feeling left behind? Does that make sense?

SPEAKER_01:

Like, I think some of she was like this icon of exactly like single queen.

SPEAKER_00:

Honestly, like I'm feeling hopeful, like, girl, if she did it exactly well, and she's gone through it the most, and it's been public. So I think there's like social ridicule that people are addicted to.

SPEAKER_01:

And we all have yes, and she talks about that in the album too, later on.

SPEAKER_00:

Yeah, and we all have this, like, you know, belief that society, whether it's conscious or unconscious, like we believe what society tells us, or there's these like unspoken standards. And if you're not meeting those standards, then you kind of feel like shit about yourself. And it's really hard. We it's important to come back to your values. And what I appreciate about her is she is stuck with her values. She's like, I'm into music, like this is what I'm doing, and she's fully committed, right?

SPEAKER_01:

She's scrupled, and a lot of people are not used to that in our society, and um and she's come back time and time again, even when she has been socially ridiculed.

SPEAKER_00:

Yep, and that's really tough.

SPEAKER_01:

She's like the queen of cancelled, yes, yes, exactly. Um, but anyways, like I just this song kind of gives you hope, like he's coming for you. And like I think that deep down that's like what a lot of us want is a man, like, look at what he did. He was like, before they were even together, he was like, Taylor Swift is my girlfriend and pursued her. And like so many people just want to be or women want to be pursued consistently and have that like that person that's your rock. And she talks about it in this album.

SPEAKER_00:

And I think he's also a really great role model because like he's someone who will dance and you've got fun. He's a dancer, he has fun, he will cry in public. Like, you don't see that, and you don't see just someone who's fully confident in themselves and able to hold space for a woman that has that magnitude.

SPEAKER_01:

I am so glad that you said this because that is so intimidating to men. And like, again, like I'm going through it right now of like somebody being threatened by what I'm doing and like not being able to share space and to like kind of not not like put me up on a pedestal, but just be proud of me and be like, wow, you're like going against the grain, you're creating something that didn't exist before, and you're not like doing this nine to five. You didn't take the safe route, and I'm proud of you. It's like the opposite. It's like you should go and get a steady nine to five that's like safe and yeah, you know, whatever. And I think it speaks to the security of the man.

SPEAKER_00:

Oh, absolutely. And again, social norms, what are they saying? I mean, I know I've personally like have dated people who, when I was like, yeah, I'm I was a licensed, I still am a licensed cosmetologist, but when I said I'm going to quit my full-time job and pursue the energetic stuff, they didn't understand, like, we don't you you can always work as a lawn. And it's like, okay, how about the all right, anything you do is gonna be okay? Like, where's the support in that?

SPEAKER_01:

And I think if God puts it on your heart, then like there's a reason why it's been put on your heart. So yes, you should pursue that.

SPEAKER_00:

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01:

And you should be, and not just a romantic relationship, but you should be surrounded by people who see that, value that, respect it, and support it.

SPEAKER_00:

Absolutely. And I mean, life is a mirror, so I think sometimes we do get that backlash because maybe it's what we I definitely was like, what the fuck am I doing? Do you know what I mean? Like, I'm taking a chance here, I'm following this calling, but it is risky. And so sometimes people respond as a mirror of like, these are actually your thoughts. But on the other hand, yes, we have people who are like, this is like not safe because it's not going with the with the grain, and you're going against the grain, or but sometimes it's like, am I even going against the grain? It's just it is what it is. Um, but I I think that there's a lot of people who out there who do get like full support, and you don't have to always understand what someone else is doing, but you should respect it.

SPEAKER_01:

Yeah. And I think that this relationship definitely highlights that. Like he's come out and said, like, no, I don't know all of her songs, but he was at the most of her shows, just like on the sidelines, singing, dancing, and being a supportive partner. And that is such a beautiful thing. And I think it really does need to be celebrated now because, like, look, we're looking at marriage, there's no sanctity in it anymore. Everyone's like, oh, well, we'll just get divorced. And divorce has become like a common breakup, and it's like, that's not what marriage was meant to be. It is a sacred covenant between two people, and we have really lost sight of that. And I think you know, another pop culture moment that's happened in the last couple of weeks, Nicole Kidman and Keith Urban breaking up. It's like that one kind of rocked me because it's like it's sad.

SPEAKER_00:

I think you texted me about it, or someone texted me about it, and I was like, What? Because I'm I'm just like not up on them. And uh, you know, I feel like once you get an algorithm on social media, yeah, there's your algorithm, and like you're gonna get eight million videos of the same thing, yeah, and don't think about getting anything else. And but yeah, I mean, I think it's also hard. Like speaking for myself personally, it's it's really challenging to be even like consider like being in a relationship, even with friends. It's like, do you easily get like wrapped up in what the these other people's expectation of you is, or like what you're I don't know, I think there's this hyperindependence, but then there's also like we are human and we need connection. And now we've kind of told ourselves all these stories, like, I'm better off without this person, this person's been holding me back. And instead of like, I mean, there's a lot of relationships that I just think are not a match, and maybe things are not like we know for a fact that nothing lasts forever, and maybe this is just the way it is. Like, for me, I'm like, are you really supposed to be with the same person forever? Like your whole life. It's say you get married at 20. Are you really supposed to be with that person forever? I don't know. I just think like we were saying, life ebbs and flows. And I think that maybe we live out of fantasy, or at least I know that's one of my fears, is like, is this all in my head? The things that like I want and I dream of, is this not reality? Because then sometimes when we are in the reality of things, it's like, wow, is this really what I wanted? Because this doesn't feel exciting, or this is not satisfying, or this still doesn't feel safe. So I don't know. I think the same goes with relationships, with where you want someone, and we'll get into wish lists when we get through this album. But yeah, it's like you want just someone who is going to be supportive and who you can be friends with, yeah.

SPEAKER_01:

Yeah, and she talks about that too. But I think that this kind of segues into Elizabeth Taylor because in in this song, you know, Elizabeth Taylor famously like many, many husbands and many, many partners. And like you said, is I don't know, is that the way it's supposed to be? Is it supposed to be so easily thrown away? Or like, can you spend this earthly plane with the same person? I don't know. I go back and forth about this too. Um, I think for the most part, like too many people aren't willing to look at their part of the patterns. And this is something that I'm going through right now. Like, I will be completely transparent. Like, some of the things coming up in my relationship now stem from my severe fear of abandonment. And anyone looking from the outside in are like, oh, well, her parents are still together, and like she's had kind of like a cushy life, and like, well, where does this come from? It's like, I don't know, I couldn't tell you. It's like something that I'm working on currently, and um, you know, I'm a projector in human design, so I feel like some of so you're absorbing everyone else. Well, I think also some of the things that people have put so like I don't really believe in psychics anymore, or like seeking out that kind of information because I and I think we've talked about this in the past, or like I've definitely talked about it on the podcast, because I think it kind of writes something for you that you might not be able to erase, and like even if you can erase it, like you know, with even pencil, like if you write something and you erase it, you can still kind of see that it's there. Um, even if you use pen and you're whiting out, like you still know something was there that you went over.

SPEAKER_00:

So I think you're just seeking outside of yourself an answer because you're afraid of the unknown.

SPEAKER_01:

And I think it like puts certain things, um, like sets certain expectations, and then you're always kind of chasing that in your mind. Like, you know, like once your mind looks for something, then it's like constantly looking for that and other things. It's like if you think about a blue car, then all of a sudden all you see on the highway is like six blue cars, it's like the same thing. And you know, some people in the spiritual healing sphere, what uh what they've they've told to me, imparted on me, is like, oh well, projectors should be alone. And I just think that's so damaging. Like if and and if you're seeking information and if you're seeking answers or guidance, like I really caution you to beware of the practitioners that they totally agree because I had a teacher who when I was in school learning shamanic techniques and practices that was like being a shaman is a very lonely road.

SPEAKER_00:

And at times, yes, because it's very disturbing at times the stuff that you tap into. It you know, we're working with entities, we're helping people with past lives with their trauma, we're helping with some deep dark shit, and it can be extremely lonely if you're not clearing yourself properly and you're not moving on. But that's absolutely I can and I say this to my clients who I'm gonna use this as like a very broad example, is people will come in, they'll be like, so what's gonna happen with this? Or like with relationships or jobs, anything like that. And I'm like, I don't make predictions because you have free will. And I also am not going to tell you, oh, you're gonna end up with this person. I'm always gonna tell you you have to align yourself with the person that you want to be, because clearly, if you and this person broke up, you're not aligned to be together as this version of you because it's it's what pushed them away, or that's the version of them. Like something has to change. So you need to focus on that transformation because I have gone to oh my god, that's how I like got into this in the first place was when I was always obsessed with going like palm readers, tarot readers, psychic. I think it's like I had to know seeking out. Wasn't it going to work out? And then I went to my first shaman when I was 18 or 19, and I was like, She's like, honey, this is not what this is about. Your whole life is probably gonna implode. I'm just giving you the warning because we're transforming what you don't want. You don't want these anxieties, you don't want to be wearing these masks anymore, you don't want these physical issues. So now we need to look at the stories you've been telling yourself. You have to be willing to let that go. So I really do encourage people like if you are struggling to with the fear of the unknown, it's what story you're telling yourself that is making it so fearful? What story are you latching onto from the past that's keep making you feel safe now that you can't move on, or you're unwilling to move on from certain relationships, or what you are just struggling to let go of. And it and it's not easy. It's not because we're like totally wired to have experiences, and then we have all these components. It's not just the physical realm. We have the mental, emotional, we have the energetic realm, and then we also have like our spiritual side. So I keep saying, and like I will always go back to this, like you have to come back to like what are your values? That's what you want to seek out in another person, someone who's gonna respect those values. Maybe they have similar, but same with your friends, same with like family members that you're surrounding yourself with. We don't always have the choices that we wish we had, but we do have choices at the end of the day. Um, but yeah, I mean, I did the same thing. I was like, I have I have to know what's going on. And I really haven't sought that out either. I just have been like, I need to trust myself. And I think a big part of relationship issues, issues are that we don't trust ourselves, and therefore, and it's not even like human-human relationship. Like, this is like I struggle with it with my relationship with the universe. One minute they're like, hold my beer, I'm gonna give you everything you wanted. And then the next week I'm like, I don't know if this is ever gonna happen for me, or I'm you know, like I'm a little bit uh uh, you know, and you're creating doubt. And then how can you manifest from a place from doubt? Or you're going to bring into your reality something that you don't necessarily want to see because that doubt is about to be proven for you to look at. So, yeah, it's it's a challenge. Being a human is a challenge. I'm not going to discount it. I have my own struggles mentally, physically, emotionally, just like everybody else.

SPEAKER_01:

Well, I think it's like what you were saying too, like we're all going through it kind of like personally and in our like little spheres. And then when you look out nationally and globally, like it's a shit show, it is a dumpster fire. And this is a phrase that I keep using quite frequently lately. Um, and it's like this is all human created, and for me, like I just use different language, it goes back to God and free choice, and it's like the evil and the shitty things on this planet are not of God, of not of the universe, whatever you want word you want to use to describe it, but it's literally of poor human choice. And like I think it's it's really kind of it's really kind of sad. And I think the older I get, the more I'm seeing that like it's literally just adults are just like hurt eight-year-olds running around the world, just like continuing to hurt other people, and it's just like I don't know, stop it. It's getting exhausting.

SPEAKER_00:

I know, and and we are the reality is like we are under the same collective consciousness, even though I think there is like a split happening, there's like so much energetically going on that there is so much chaos that I think we're all living in some sort of fight or flight, and it's really difficult to regulate that. And so the most important thing is getting your nervous system as regulated as possible, spending time with yourself. Um, I listened to Lee Harris and like his energy updates um monthly. And if you've never heard of him, check out his energy updates. But he was suggesting even if you like read a book, spend 15 minutes with yourself, especially this month of October, because it just helps you reconnect to your inner self and your like it's almost like brings you into a meditative state where you can relax and calm. And I, for one, am totally addicted to fight or flight. If I am in the middle of the day, if I'm not going to bed or I'm not like getting a massage or something, then I'm like, whoa, am I gonna fall asleep? Am I like completely disassociating because I don't feel ramped up? And it's a really tough pattern to break.

SPEAKER_01:

Yes, that's because cortisol spikes are addicting, the adrenaline are addicting. So we are literally addicted to stress, and this is what I talk about too, yeah, is is nervous system regulation. You know, my classes on a lot of my classes now are slower based and they're based on nervous system regulation. Like we're doing slow rhythmic movements, we're working with the breath, we're taking like little mini shivasanas, so you're really meditating throughout the class, and we're working on nervous system regulation. And that class was really born out of my own need for nervous system regulation because I was teaching like a million power yoga classes. And yes, yoga is a tool to help regulate your nervous system, but if you are constantly doing a hit style power yoga class, like you're actually ramping your nervous system up. And typically I see that those are the people who can't meditate, who uh can't relax, who like can't even sit still for three minutes in shivasana. And I think it's interesting to look at can you sit and be quiet and be alone with yourself and nurture your nervous system? Or are you addicted to that fight or flight state? And we've kind of like deviated now. Um, but going back to like Elizabeth Taylor, like I think it's just the stigma that's put on women who have like dated men throughout their life. This is all remembered relationships.

SPEAKER_00:

Yes, failed relationship. This is the biggest thing that she is remembered for that she was married what eight times. Yeah, who cares? Like she was very creative, wasn't she? An actress, like she was so successful with all like business, and I mean, I guess her relationships kind of reflect like she was an entrepreneur, she was doing all these different things, you know, modeling, acting at the end of the day, like she's her own business, and it's her name that is famous, and not necessarily like the things that she did. And I think that's so probably relatable for Taylor because at the end of the day, Taylor Swift is a business. Yes, she is also a human, but she is a business, and I was telling you that I didn't know how it sat with me because, but it's like good for her. Um, but I think that there's just so much um pressure and uh distrust with like the the wealth gap right now that there's a lot of divide of like no one should be a billionaire or that, and it's like well now we're not thinking she earned it.

SPEAKER_01:

We all bought her shit, and that's how she became a I feel like I feel like billionaires are gonna be the new millionaires because now we're on the verge of having trillionaires trillionaires, yeah, like Jeff Bezos and um Elon Musk. I think Elon Musk is gonna be the first person to do it is yeah, the last thing I saw about it, but I haven't like looked any further into it. But that's it's like what you're saying. It's like, oh, being a millionaire used to be the standard before of like comfort and wealth, and now like being like this is crazy, but being Being a millionaire is like average.

SPEAKER_00:

Exactly. There's so many. And but I do think that for like let's call it like the middle class or whatever, that it's not sitting well with us because Taylor used to have much more struggles than like before she was like a billionaire, even though like she earned it, she performed three hours a night. Exactly. But people are like kind of up in arms. And I didn't I thought that was an interesting marketing, but from my understanding, she has like a bunch of songs that she did acoustic, but she did like five variations of the album. So I think to get all of the acoustic songs, you had to buy the different albums to have the complete collection.

SPEAKER_01:

I think the vinyls two all had like different covers or something like that.

SPEAKER_00:

Is she taking advantage or is it brilliant marketing? Right. And I think it's a little bit, I think it's both. I think that I don't think she would consciously take advantage. I think she could is just doing it because she can. But now it's becoming less relatable. And I think when she got engaged, we were all like, oh my God, there's hope. And now it's like she's reached the peak of the mountain. And now we're like, oh, we can't see her anymore because we're not relating. It's like she's now moving into. I saw an interview with her. Um, and she was basically saying that, you know, she's very lucky because most people are in this bubble of who they surround themselves with. And basically, she doesn't have to worry about that. She's just inviting everyone she knew to her wedding. Basically, what she was saying was, I have money, so it's not an issue. I don't have to limit myself. And like, that's great. However, most people are feeling extremely limited right now, and things like that feel unobtainable. And that's of one mindset. The other mindset is like, wow, she did it, we can do it too. Like, what a feeling that you don't have to worry about limiting yourself. What a feeling that you can invite anybody you want to your wedding, that you can have it anywhere you want. Like, what a feeling that that would work out. I don't know. It's just two of two different mindsets, and it's and it's not easy to like train your brain to go somewhere else. And I do think that's where the divide is like clearly evident, is that a lot of people are feeling extremely limited and they're angry about it because what happens when you feel limited? You feel trapped. And even though, like for me personally, like I've still been shown like you don't need money to get what you want from the universe, but is it still satisfying?

SPEAKER_01:

Hell yeah. This is something we've talked about before. Like, you can't do anything without money, you can't change the world without money, you can't help out a friend or a neighbor without it. Like, I have um, so speaking of lover's past, this is actually kind of funny, but lovers past, um somebody used to say to me, Money is just green bonds that buy comfort. And that is something that's something that's like kind of stuck with me because as a healer, it's a very complicated relationship with money, right? Like you think it could be of service, and and you want to just like help the world.

SPEAKER_00:

But like, at what point do you take like a vow of poverty for that?

SPEAKER_01:

Like we're not nuns, right? Right. And we still need to like we can't take care of others unless we're taken care of, and right going back um to centuries past, spiritual leaders were taken care of by the community, and they might not have been wealthy or millionaires, billionaires, whatever, but they were taken care of.

SPEAKER_00:

Right. And we were just talking about this. I think it comes back down to what are your values? Like for me, leaving a full-time like career behind the chair making six figures is like, okay, well, I value my relationship with my family and I want to be there. I want to be the one who can take the day off without having to worry about canceling 12 people who are gonna be mad because they're on a also on a timeline. Like you couldn't even take, I didn't even feel like you I could really take a day off to go to the doctor because it just it would have completely messed up my schedule. Yeah. Anyway, and so that was obviously a world I created for myself, and that may not necessarily be true if I were to do it again, but my value was in being there for my family and being close to them and being able to take care of my nieces. I know you take care of your niece too. It's like and this is something I don't want.

SPEAKER_01:

So if something was going down here, like it took me a minute to be able to get on a plane and to travel literally across the country, um, and then got brought back to here to Rhode Island. And now I, you know, my pattern of running is it's rearing its ugly head, and I am feeling that need. I keep saying this to friends, and I have I don't think I've said this on the podcast, and it's kind of dark, but like I'm in a place right now where I want to fake my death and run away and like start over and like be a be a witch in the forest and just like literally be alone. Like that's kind of where I am right now because I do feel like this hopelessness that that I think was so relatable in TTPD. And um like I love this album, Life of a Showgirl, because it's like everything I aspire for, like to be taken care of, to have a successful business, to have a person you can count on. And you know, I think Taylor like has a lovely family and like like the same. So like I love being around for my family. I can't picture leaving my knees, but like I am having these these moments of like, wow, I could I could fake my death and run away and like just be done with all of this.

SPEAKER_00:

Um, yeah, because it feels easier than actually trying to figure out how to live, but I think it also comes back to like I've even realized this a lot about myself, is like we wrap ourselves so tightly up in our self-worth based on money. What are we earning? And so I think, especially people in service, if you're not busting your ass in like overgiving and like working 12 hour days back-to-back clients, then we feel like, what how did we earn this? And I think it's really difficult. And then, but then we're like, well, we need money to live, and then you get it, and you're like, uh, but life's too life's more expensive, so I think I need more. And then it's just this vicious cycle of self-worth, and like, do I deserve this? And it's also like as a service provider, like, what's the cap? There's like I've seen, like, there's just so many splits. And I I even saw like a and I think it it's reflective of like how some people are feeling about Taylor's album and like people being pissed off that she's a billionaire. And then it I saw a video on TikTok of this girl um, you know, complaining about hairdressers who are complaining about not being busy because they charge too much, and it it's like I know the product's not that expensive. It's like if you're sitting with someone for three hours, it's it's your time.

SPEAKER_01:

It's the time, it's the work and your education. You know, I go back to this with yoga all the time. Yoga teachers are paid shit. And one of the things that um like one of my first mentors in the sphere said was like, oh, well, you have to have something else because you can't make money being a yoga teacher. And I just think that is unacceptable. It's right, unacceptable, especially when um certifications cost a minimum, like a thousand yeah,$2,500.

SPEAKER_00:

I made$9,000 to go um to school to take a class to become a shamanic practitioner. That took one year, and it was priced, they basically priced it like it would be like a college credit. Yeah, which is totally understandable. Yes, and I have years, I mean, I probably spent another$7,000 on one-on-one. You know, it I'm probably in it for$20 something thousand dollars up there and that, and then people just come around and they're like, and of course, people are intuitive, people know, you know, they have their own relationship with themselves, and I trust that they are ethical and that they're coming around and saying, like, yes, I can help other people based on my own experience and healing themselves. But there's a lot of people out there that it's just so unregulated, and like, what was what's your background on your in your understanding of like the psychological, the emotional, the physical well-being? I mean, it's it's really hard to, and people stand like you gotta stand behind your work, and it's it is about the education.

SPEAKER_01:

If you think about Taylor Swift, she's been fucking educated, she's been through every scenario where she's been manipulated and she's been taken advantage of, and she's been ghosted by a man, she's been, you know, I mean, just the music industry alone is like, you know, she was the first person, well, not the first person, but she was one of the people that came out and said, like, these record execs, like they are taking advantage of young artists. Like, she was the first person who really like came out and said that, and um and and started to advocate for artists' rights, and yeah, like I don't know. Um, that's why a lot of these artists like have to tour as much as they do because that's the only way that's even when they're on tour, they're not really making that much money, depending.

SPEAKER_00:

It's like you have to sell out a certain amount of tickets, I think, to even make money. I think you basically have to pay to rent the venue.

SPEAKER_01:

And if you don't that many music artists too, it's also like comedians, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_00:

Yep, yeah.

SPEAKER_01:

I mean, the the whole world is like it's really I think we're in a huge recalibration period though. And I I saw like a snippet of a video, like a reel this morning, talking about like the full moon eclipse today and like what it means, and like, yeah, so we're just gonna be kind of like buckle up, and yeah, we're in an ending year, we're in a year number nine, so this is like a true culmination of like burying the old energy so that we can kind of be rebirthed into this new this new um era and the the like solar storms that started two years ago um have everything to do with it. And the sun is like literally like its frequency is literally like kind of expanding out to support the awakening of consciousness right now.

SPEAKER_00:

It's literally 20 degrees warmer than the average today.

SPEAKER_01:

Like I know yesterday I was on the beach, it was 80 degrees out, it's October where it's New England.

SPEAKER_00:

Yes, I know it's so weird. I know, but I mean I also love warm weather. I know, so I think it's I loved being on the beach, it was confusing to the natural cycle of life, yeah, and we're supposed to be in a time of death, and at the same time that things are dying off, like the leaves, there's like the harvest, like the end of the vegetables that we've been growing in our gardens and reaping that harvest and picking and digging up and the abundance that has been brought, but all squirreling away for winter, right?

SPEAKER_01:

Like ancestrally, our ancestors were preparing to survive the winter.

SPEAKER_00:

Literally, I've sort of been doing the same. Like, I've I've definitely been like accumulating things that like make me feel cozy at home. Like yesterday, I finally repotted a plant I had not repotted in like 15 years, sadly. But I was like, all right, it's time. And it felt so good. I was like, oh, all right, now I have like an extra plant in my living room. It just it's like one small thing that feels so cozy. And but I was totally judging myself, like, why am I sitting in the house? It's 80 degrees out. But like we're all preparing for that inner winter where we're purging right now and we're going through the grief of the purge. We're releasing there's a lot of shadows coming up, there's a lot of societal norms that are coming up and making us feel like we were in an illusion that we were like basically robbed of what we saw and we believed. And it's a harsh reality. I think sometimes we have the we've all accumulated this fear of um like um what is it? What am I trying to say? We accumulated this like fear of a facade. Like, is is this even in fact saying that's the same with relationships? So I wonder, even though Taylor hasn't said this, but like, what's her thought process in the back of her mind of like, is this gonna fall apart? Because I think we all have this fear of bending.

SPEAKER_01:

The other shoe is gonna drop. Yes. Yes. Uh, so I'm also glad that you brought this up because this is something that I have been experiencing as well as somebody very close to me who I love and respect, who, like I'm seeing now, might not love and respect me, and has been accusing me of like everything you do down to your career is a facade to make people think that you're a good person. This is something that's been said to me very, very recently.

SPEAKER_00:

Yeah, and it was hurtful for number number one.

SPEAKER_01:

It's hurtful, yep, absolutely. Is it a mirror? Maybe, right? Maybe. I um I'm honestly like on the other end of the spectrum where I don't think everything is a mirror. I think some people are just shitty people, yep, and they do things to hurt you when they feel backed into a corner. And this person is somebody that I was setting a boundary with that I didn't have a boundary with before. And I think they're feeling a little bit hurt that I set the boundary and that I'm not willing to blindly follow without some leadership skills.

SPEAKER_00:

Yeah, and I think that we all are maybe not all, but a lot of us are feeling like we, and I was talking to a friend about this yesterday. I was like, I feel like I'm having an identity crisis. And she was like, but what if you're having an identity awakening? And I think like what you're saying, because I know I've been like holding boundaries, especially with like my parents who I haven't had a boundary with my entire life. And now it's like, wow, I have to make real grown-up boundaries and set them. And their reactions and their responses are not going over well. No, you see that her eight-year-old and her child. And it's for me to be like, I'll keep my mouth shut now and I can be your mirror. I've said my two cents. This is how it's like, this is the boundary we're gonna hold, and now I don't have to say anything. And it's kind of like for you, maybe with this person, it's their own inner feelings, and but holding a boundary is deeply challenging, and then we don't feel like we are who we were, yeah. But like my friend was saying, maybe you're having identity awakening. So maybe you're awakening to the fact that okay, yeah, like my identity is like this is what I do for work, and this is what I value.

SPEAKER_01:

And it's not I've said this on the podcast before, this isn't just a career for me, it just so happens that I made a career now. Right. It's a lifestyle, it is, it's even more than a lifestyle. It's like innately who I am. Like it is, and not that like I am a yoga teacher. No, I am a spiritual leader and I am doing the best that I can. I am working through my own patterns and challenges and shadow side. And I think it's and it's it's hard, and I know it's hard to be in a relationship with somebody like me because I don't necessarily expect you to do the same. Like, you don't have to be. I actually, this is hot take. Like, I'd rather have a finance bro than uh than somebody who's in the healing sphere. Yeah. Um, but I completely lost my train of thought where I was going with this, but um That's okay. I I think going back to the album and relating it this way is like I feel deeply what she's saying, like she never thought it was gonna happen for her. And there were all of these stigmas with like men that she's dated in the past, and that all of her amazing work has been boiled down, and same with Elizabeth Taylor has been boiled down to like these men that she's spent a few years of her life with, and I feel that. And then later in the song, uh in the album, she talks about like was it in Ruin the Friendship that she talks? What's the song that she talks about? Um, I didn't believe in marriage, and that was a lie. Said I didn't believe in marriage and that was a lie.

SPEAKER_00:

Is that was it honey?

SPEAKER_01:

Maybe it is it was wish list, I think. Going back though, so we finished up Elizabeth Taylor, Opalite was another huge one for me. Um, just because it's definitely a bop. Um it's a bop. It definitely is. Um, but it talks about like talks about crystals. We're like well, for me, I felt very uh almost attacked because it says uh I had a bad habit of missing lovers past. My brother used to call it eating out of trash. Yeah, it's definitely I've fallen victim to. And the person that I'm in a relationship now is somebody who I have like had a 15-year history with of being like on and off with. And obviously, like right now we're going through like a little bit of a recalibration period of like, are we gonna be together? Aren't we gonna be together? Um, and we're definitely like going through it like personally um and together. And it's this song is just I I felt attacked.

SPEAKER_00:

Yeah, I mean, it's true, and we do revisit relationships because what are we trying to like prove? Because I used to do the same thing when I was younger, I'd be like, Oh, we're gonna get back together, but like to prove what, like, you know what I mean? And I think for many people it's different, but for me personally, I was going back to these relationships to prove like, see, rejection is not really a thing, and people can change. And it was like me trying to prove that things can work out because it feels like when a relationship is ending that nothing ever works out, yeah, even though we have all these other things in our life, and think about it like life is an ebb and flow, like we were saying, and things end and things begin again. And Taylor Swift has had many albums that represent this, yeah, and what she's personally going through in her life, and you know, I think that's why it's so relatable, of course. But I I personally have gone back andor stayed in relationships too long to like to try and prove okay, this come on, please. This prove to me that this can work out when really it's for me.

SPEAKER_01:

I think in this particular relationship, it's somebody who I loved deeply and still love deeply. And um, like when we first met, we didn't even know each other, and I was like, that's my husband. And we went out on one date, and I was like, This is my forever person. And then we've just had like this 15 almost 15-year history of like kind of like these high highs and low lows, and like something that Taylor also has talked about in her albums in the past, and so I can like deeply relate to that. And for me, I have walked away from this person in the past after setting boundaries and not being respected. And I think this time I really wanted to be like, I can stay, and I will stay, and I will show you that I can stay. And I think that I have been taken advantage a little bit of um because of having that stance and that thought around it. And, you know, I am 34, and I have been scared to say before that yes, like what she says in wishlist, like I want the house, I want the kids, I want like that nice little quiet life where like we fall away from the world and we create this like little family. And I've always been scared to say that because of the way that I think that I was patterned and programmed through our generation of like this boss, you have to be this boss ass bitch, and you have to like chase the career. And you talked about an eldest daughter, every yes, and that's something that hits home for me too. Like, I'm like technically not the eldest daughter because I have half siblings. Um, but I I do have a lot of like eldest daughter energy of like I was the one to go out and forge the path, and my brother and sister kind of like lived a little bit more safe, and I was always the one to like go out and explore. Like, I've lived all over the country, and you know, whatever, whatever. But yeah, that was another song that kind of like hit home for me. This album has, even though it's like seemingly a happy album, it made me cry so many times. And Wishlist is definitely one of those. Um, I know we kind of like skipped around a little bit. Actually, romantic is something that I think we can relate to too. Like, I have a woman in my life right now that I am trying to build a friendship with because seemingly we are gonna be in each other's lives for a long time, and she has just been so nasty and mean to me. And I kind of like this way that Taylor looks at it. It's like, oh, you actually love me. You're actually obsessed with me. Exactly. You actually want what I have. And um, so yeah, this album is deeply personal to me. So the the back end of this is like, I want that so bad. Like, I want to meet, and not that like I'm looking at it like, oh, I have to be like Travis and Taylor. It's like, no, it's the representation of what the union is, and like maybe it's not, maybe they fall apart in three years, two years, two months, maybe they never get married at all. But um I just think like undoing a lot of the my own patterns and knowing that there can be like a beautiful symbiotic relationship that's like meant to nurture you, protect, and be a force where you come together and you're really both in your divine masculine and divine feminine, and you kind of rewire these patterns because I think the way that we help to heal the world is to raise families and like both of us, we're on, we're very involved aunties, and I think even that kind of job is important, yeah. Because it does take a village, and I want to see the world change. I don't want my niece to grow up in the same bullshit that we grew up in. Like, I want her to know genuine people, to know loyal people, to have people around her that aren't gonna intentionally hurt her because of their stupid hurt patterns from when they were a child, and like they're just continuing it on. And yeah, so you know, if this is the fucking facade, then then so be it. Right, exactly.

SPEAKER_00:

I don't know. Like I said, it always comes back to and hold on to that value now or with other people, and I always say you want a match, not a mirror. Like if you're taking a relationship, like you want someone who you can be friends with, I think.

SPEAKER_01:

Yes, like what she says in wishlist, she's looking for a best friend that she thinks is hot.

SPEAKER_00:

Like, hey, then the end all be all and I I do think that it's like she's very blessed because she does have obtained wealth, and now she'd be like, I get a house, everybody got off, but like they have super challenges like paper and like no privacy and people stalking, people on random podcasts talking about what they think your life is about. Not idolizing her, but we're like, Oh my god, like there's I think that people appreciate her because she has been through it and she can articulate it.

SPEAKER_01:

Yes, and especially in this culture of like making everything look pretty with a bow and like life is always perfect, then like you're looking for these like social media goals that like aren't like real. She's kept it 100, like she like I didn't like security. And good for her, that's a boundary. Like she is the most famous person in the world. A little insight into her life. I mean, it's like I and I said this, I don't know if I said it on the podcast, but and now we're going on like this podcast is over an hour and a half. Um if you're still listening, thank you so much. Um I forgot I lost my train of thought again. Um, I said it about TTPD. It's like I felt like I was reading my own diary at the time. Like I felt like like it was so it was just so real, like talking about going through a breakup that you never saw coming. And um yeah, like I've talked about it candidly on this podcast, and so I get it. And so seeing this other side, uh it kind of like sprung hope with me. And I was like, oh, this is this is gonna be my manifestation tool that I'm gonna use to like like she obviously did it, I'm gonna do it. Um and giving permission to be like, it's okay to say that you want this as a woman, it's okay to just want to be a mom, it's okay to just want to be a wife. And I never knew that that was okay before because there was always like this stigma on it. My mom was a stay-at-home mom, and like I saw the stigma around it where it like wasn't valued, but it is the most important work, and I've said that on this podcast before, and I I do believe that. So I think that seeing like the most famous person in the world, one of the biggest women, business women of our time, say like she just wants the house on the corner with the kids and the husband and the pretty family. Like I just think it it just gives like the ultimate permission for women like me who have been, I'm gonna use the word brainwashed, and I know that's like a very powerful word to use, but have been brainwashed to see that as like a lesser than.

SPEAKER_00:

No, we're seeing it anxiety, but playing and communities that have to come together.

SPEAKER_01:

Yes, it takes a village, and not just to raise children, but we were meant to be in these communities, and we we've talked about it or we touched on it, and I think at the beginning of the podcast we started to talk about it, and I wanted to. There's this old song by the DJ producer Armin Van Buren, and the song is called Alone, and it is one of the most powerful songs. Like, if you've been to my yoga class, you've probably heard it before because it's been on my playlist literally for 10 years, but it talks about we're so connected because of phones, because of the internet, but we're not actually connecting. Like we're it's very like we we're avatars behind a screen, but we've lost the humanity, the like real human connection. And I know people like us, like we're just trying to get back to that real human connection, and I think that brings us you know, we can talk about wood, but you know, she's just so funny in love, and like I mean, it's also about reclaiming like healthy sexuality, being with this partner that's safe, and I think that's beautiful. But we can touch on that. I know Marissa's coming on the podcast, and her and I are gonna talk about this in like a different view of like her owning her sexuality and like being with a safe partner and all of that. So yeah. It's time.

SPEAKER_02:

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, same.

SPEAKER_01:

And like 99, I'm more of like a midnight girl.

SPEAKER_00:

I like midnight too. Like, I don't know.

SPEAKER_01:

I think don't think it's very but canceled is a great one. And I think especially for the healer community, like we can relate to this. Like a lot of us go back to our wounds of like the witch hunts and like where we burned, where we hung, where we uh drowned in the well. Um, and a lot of those wounds come up for healers when they're in this space. And I think canceled is a beautiful, like we can correlate them. Like she's talking about it in a different way, but like stepping out of this fear of being canceled because like everyone is going to be. I'm sure that as this podcast is creeping up in numbers every single week. Like, I'm sure the more people that listen, the more scrutiny I'm inviting in. And yeah, I mean, I can even think about times in my life where I've been canceled. Like 2020 was a huge cancellation for me. Lost a thousand followers in like two days because of things that I said and things that I stood for. And um I'm sure that something is gonna come up in the future where it's gonna be again. And I, you know, I yep, yep. And um, like I don't know one person in the healing sphere who hasn't felt this energy at some point in in their journey. Um, honey is next. We're nearing the end. This is my fave too, because it just it goes to that like full circle moment of like, oh, she's arrived. Like, she, if you have listened to her from the beginning, this is all she's ever wanted. And, you know, like I can relate to that. Like, like I have said it on the podcast before, I'm a seeker. Like, I've always always seeking those deeper answers, the big spiritual questions. But also, I think deep down, I was afraid to say it, but I've been seeking this partner who is a rock, who is like solid and isn't gonna go anywhere. Who's just supportive and loving? Like, uh, like you know, I say this to my partner all the time. Like, I'm not asking for a lot, I'm literally asking for communication and honesty. Like, that's really all that I need from you. It's being honest is really hard for some people. Yeah. Tell the truth.

SPEAKER_02:

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00:

It's unfortunate. We all have our own thing, and it's not functional. Patterning is not better or worse than another. At the end of the day, we all are uncomfortable with certain emotions, we are uncomfortable with certain things, and we are having different experiences, but we do experience the same emotion.

SPEAKER_01:

Yeah, and learning to deal with them is like so important and learning how to effectively communicate. You know, I've talked about this before, I've been through break method. I think it's a great tool, it's a great therapy alternative that really breaks the pattern. So if you or someone you love are like that, her eight-year-old, we're all her eight-year-olds running around. Like, I really believe the sirens, they're affirming, they're affirming this thought. Um, I don't know if you'll even be able to hear it in the background, but it's okay. Um so yeah, I think it's again, I lost my train of thought. What the heck? Spirit is like, no, go in another direction. Uh God, I hope so.

SPEAKER_02:

God, I hope so.

SPEAKER_00:

Uh and I know me personally, I'm always questioning how people are like thinking in me if they're like, oh honey, or if it's condescending or if it's genuine. Call you by your first name. Like, let's say your boyfriend called you babe all the time and all of a sudden he's like Gianna, you're like, Am I in trouble? Am I in trouble? And it's saying it goes with like especially I think that calls you that sweetheart.

SPEAKER_01:

Oh, that's like see my biggest pet peep is when women do it, when they're like, love beautiful.

SPEAKER_00:

It makes you feel like you're disengaged. Maybe that's their personality that they call everybody cat, but it is kind of like what confusing.

SPEAKER_02:

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00:

And it who would have ever thought, like, I never thought of like my parents calling me honey or like sweetheart or something, and it being condescending.

SPEAKER_01:

My parents were never that way. It was always our first name.

SPEAKER_00:

Oh my god.

SPEAKER_01:

Or like when I was lit, when I was little, it was G or G G. And then as I got older, that kind of faded away. And it, I mean, Gianna, it's like such a short name, two syllables. Like um, but yeah, I remember what I was saying now about breaking patterns, and I really think break method is a solid tool. And um, like I've linked it in the show notes before, I'll link it in the show notes. I think if you're seeking, if you're looking to break patterns, if you you know, busy talks about it as like if you're tired of playing the ping pong game back and forth, back and forth, like how do you break away from this to create real connection? And one of the first things that she says in like the first module is don't end any relationship unless it's like completely unsafe and you're not safe.

unknown:

Right.

SPEAKER_01:

But if it's something worth salvaging, like, yeah, let's salvage it, let's do the hard work to salvage it. I think that's where I am in my relationship right now. It's like before I was willing to walk away, it's easy to leave. Easy to leave, especially when you have an abandonment issue, when you have a fear of abandonment and my pattern is to run and want to run away, like that is the easy thing for me. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. But staying and working it out and seeking to understand is hard. That's the hard work. And how do you do it? I don't know. You find the tools, like maybe it's break method, maybe it's something else, maybe it's couples therapy, maybe it's anything. Yeah. And then that leads us to the last song of the album, Life of a Showgirl, which I actually think there's also like a bop, but also a sad undertone of like, this is the cost of yeah, of being this famous. Oh, I love that.

SPEAKER_00:

And it's like people were questioning like, is she gonna go away for a while now? And she might, but she talks about like she's married to a hustle now, and that's show business, like she knows the life of a show girl now. And I what I wanted to say about like the healer community is I've said this a million times. I've talked to therapists about it, I've talked to other teachers of mine, and they're like, sure, we could go out and get another job. You could go out, you could work at the grocery store, but you're still gonna be you. You go work at Walmart.

SPEAKER_01:

These things are still gonna come up, also, like it's just in a different way, and come up because that is you to the fore.

SPEAKER_00:

Just like if I would go walk at Walmart, I'd still be transmuting energy, I'd still be empathizing with people, and I would still be all the things I already am. So what are we running away from? It's like you're just not gonna do it. You're gonna endure and you're gonna keep moving and you're going to keep living the show, or at least keep living in this show that we, you know, subscribe to when we came to earth.

SPEAKER_01:

I don't know why we'll be able to that, but many theories, many theories, many theories on this podcast. Um, but I really think it just boils down with being able to like love and tolerate, and God gave us free choice so that He knew that we would make the choice to choose good. Because if you can't choose good here, then this is gonna sound crazy. If you can't choose good here, then you're not ready for heaven. Because you're not ready to be around that all the time. If you can't, if you can't choose it when things are hard, when it's harder to do the bad thing than it is to do the good thing, when it's harder to do um the thing that's right and moral, if you can't choose it when you have a choice, then like you're you're just not ready for that higher frequency. So I think that's why we're here. We're preparing ourselves for that higher frequency, and we're gonna keep coming back and trying until we can come back and hit that higher frequency by choice. Yeah, we're readying our souls for eternity. Yeah, looks like kind of a deep um way to end this podcast.

SPEAKER_00:

She's a billionaire now, she shouldn't be any of these things. And or you can look at it and be like, Wow, she got what she wanted, she's trying something new, and good for her.

SPEAKER_01:

And she's doing the work, like she talks about it in this album. She's been hurt by proteges, like seemingly maybe Olivia Rodrigo. She throws like the ultimate dig in that song, which I think is fucking awesome. Um, but yeah, it hasn't like she's been cut by people, and she's also owned up to cutting people, and I think that is so relatable. We've all even like we've all done it. That's why, you know, this isn't a facade. I'm not perfect, I'm still not perfect, even though I'm on this path, like I still make mistakes. I'm, you know, I seek, I am I'm actively seeking God right now in a very real way that I have never done before. I've been, you know, like I'm an avid reader, and um, even though I've been reading like my fiction, nonfiction, all of those fun books, I have been ending my night every night with reading the Bible because I think that there's some deep spiritual insight there. And I've talked about this on the podcast before of like looking at the Bible instead of through Catholic Christian eyes, looking at the Bible through new eyes, like a spiritual lens. And um, so I'm ending my night with this energy, this higher frequency, because I am on the path of like seeking this higher frequency. So I'm not perfect. I, you know, we're all sinners, we're all here trying our best with the information and tools that we have at this moment. Um, and I'm actively seeking tools right now of support.

SPEAKER_00:

So, I mean, if it it is yes, her go-to is instead of being jealous of someone, she says to herself, love it for you, want it for me. So you can simultaneously be happy for someone and want it for yourself. Yeah, instead of not wanting it for them or being jealous. Does that make sense? Yeah, and I think that's envy is a monster.

SPEAKER_01:

I'm happy for her. I'm like, girl, if you could do it, the rest of us can. Thank you for giving me hope in a place like in a space where I am in despair.

SPEAKER_00:

What are you telling yourself that it's not gonna work out? Is it because your runner is it could have been betrayed in the past? Is it because you're not hearing Taylor say that she worries one bit about this relationship? She's very certain, she's very certain, and clearly they're communicating that they're both very certain. Because there's not one iota doubt in this whole album. There's just not. She's reflecting and saying, like, all right, should I kiss kiss you and ruin the friendship? That's our only like thing about looking back in this album. So yeah, I think it comes down to like clearly they're having clear communication, they're both extremely confident in what they want and what they're they're discussing and what they're trying to co-create.

SPEAKER_01:

And she's getting dicked down in the best way, like the way that we all fucking want it. Good for her. We've had to simultaneously like wear the pants, be expected to wear the pants and and portray this masculine energy while also being like feminine and soft. It's like fuck that shit. Like, I am ready to be in, put me in my full soft girl era, and I think that's where she she is at right now, where she can like kind of let her guard down a little bit, and like you know, safety has been a huge thing for her. She has like a crazy team and um like security team, and it's been so I think since like the Charlie Kirk thing, I think that personally that scared her a little bit because she is also a polarizing figure in a different way. Um, and there were reports that she was being walked into the stadium behind like this bulletproof screen. Like, she doesn't want to be seen, she wants to be like fully protected. She clearly is not feeling safe, but like rightfully so. But like, you know, at night she's going home with this hunk of a huge man, and like what is safer than going to bed with someone like that? Yeah, hot, yeah, good for you, sis. Yeah, and I think that's like the safety and security we're all looking for is somebody who is so like down for us, and yeah, that's important.

SPEAKER_00:

Because getting into a relationship now, yeah.

SPEAKER_01:

But I think also like she wasn't at her most perfect moment. Like, I think it's important to look at this. She was really vulnerable, she was really in like a not great space. Um, we saw that with TTPD, we saw it as she was like going out onto this world tour, like she was very candid about speaking about where she was at during that time, and then he just kind of like came in like a whirlwind. It I don't think you necessarily have to be in the perfect space or the highest version of yourself, but you have to be. I think first of all, like she's always, even with all of the hurt that she's endured, that she's always been open to the possibility of this great love, and don't lose sight of that. And I think for myself personally, like I kind of lose sight of that a little bit. I get wrapped up in like the scary feeling of it all. Like, I am gonna be fucking alone forever, or like the fate of Ophelia, like I kind of like feel that, like you let everyone strip everything from you, and then like there is nothing left. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02:

No, I agree. Right. Right.

SPEAKER_01:

Because we're seeing the highlight reel.

SPEAKER_00:

But that's just like yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_01:

You have to be willing to like work through those conflicts and um yeah.

SPEAKER_00:

I'm sure that's right. Not communicating anything.

SPEAKER_01:

Well, I think also he what she talks about in the album is like he's really good at making the sunshine. Like I think he uh that's an opalite. She talks about that. Is like you there's gonna be storms, there's gonna be dark nights, but like you have to create your own sunshine. So, like, how can you let that be?

unknown:

Source.

SPEAKER_01:

I know I love that relatable queen. I've talked about that before too. It's like these cozy home things, and I think um getting back to like that village, that that's that space of like the small circle that you surround yourself with, and and just like leaning on them. And I've I've been very candid about about that too. Like I have a very strong, amazing support system.

unknown:

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01:

Yeah. And it doesn't come with its own, you know, it comes with its own challenges at times, don't get me wrong. Um yeah, that and that's the that's the theme of this podcast. Like, we're all just trying the best that we can with what we have at this time, and like sometimes we don't always put our best foot forward. So how can we this word is very scary because it has a scary connotation, but how can we repent? And and that is what I've been trying to convey to my partner. It's like when you did these things, when you hid these things from me, it made me feel this way. And if you can't see that, like if you're not willing to like rebuild or like kind of get back on the same page, like we are never gonna be able to do that, and like life, like life throws so many curveballs, and like you're gonna go through the deepest, darkest moments of your life with this person, and like how can they be a support versus a hurt? And finding that person, and I think that's what she did. She found that person that's like really ride or die, yeah. Yeah, and she's getting back, like like I know that feeling of like putting all of this glove out and like feeling like you're not getting it back, and now it's like she's finally found somebody that can reciprocate that. So I'm happy for her. I hope I honestly, if that's what you want for your life, I hope you find that. Some people are better like alone and they don't want to be in a relationship, and that's fine. Um but I do, so I hope I find that in somebody. If God put it on your heart, there's a reason for it. This is the work that we need to do to stick it out. I think that's a good spot to end now that this podcast is going to be like three hours long. Uh no, we'll just throw it all out there. Thank you so much for tuning in to today's episode of the Nearly Enlightened podcast. If this conversation resonated with you, I would love it if you shared it, left a review, or if you want to reach out and chat more about it. And if you're looking for more ways to deepen your connection to body, mind, and spirit, check out my Meditate to Elevate, my guided meditation portal, or visit nearlyenlightened.com for more resources. Until next time, stay curious, stay connected, and remember the answers already lie within. See you next time.