The Botox Conversation Hill We'll Die On with Kat Parks

Kat Parks is back for another spicy episode on botox, TMJ, Face Yoga and what your injector might not be telling you. Kat joins Giana for another candid, educational conversation about Botox, TMJ/TMD, face yoga, facial massage, natural aging, and what informed consent should actually look like before we put a needle or a toxin into our bodies.

Botox is marketed like it’s as harmless as a manicure. Preventative Botox. Baby Botox. Just a little here, a little there. But what happens when we stop treating injections like a casual beauty choice and actually look at the biology, the risks, and the incentives behind the industry?

And because apparently we can’t talk about modern beauty without dragging modern yoga into it, we start with a bigger cultural pattern: what happens when something designed to be a deeper practice gets reduced to a quick fix?

Modern yoga has been watered down into fitness. Modern beauty has been watered down into optimization. And somewhere along the way, we’ve gotten really good at looking for the fastest possible solution to discomfort, aging, stress, and insecurity.

We unpack the viral Hannah Berner masseter Botox story and use it as a jumping-off point to talk about Botox for TMJ, changes in smile and facial function, toxin spread, boxed warnings, adverse events, and why having a “reputable injector” doesn’t mean there is zero risk. We also talk about why adverse events may be underreported and why personal experiences deserve to be part of the conversation.

Then we go deeper.

Jaw clenching and teeth grinding don’t happen in a vacuum. Stress, breath, posture, nervous system regulation, and habitual patterns can all show up in the face and jaw. We talk about the facial feedback loop and why the relationship between your nervous system and your face goes both ways.

Kat also shares alternatives that often don’t get the same airtime as injections, including face yoga, intra-oral/buccal massage with a trained practitioner, habit awareness, breathwork, posture, and nervous system regulation.

This isn’t an episode about telling you what you’re “allowed” to do with your face. It’s about asking better questions.

Because maybe the goal isn’t to fight aging at all costs. Maybe it’s to understand what we’re choosing, what we’re potentially giving up, and whether the quick fix is actually serving us in the long run.

We’re talking about:

• Why modern yoga and modern beauty have both become obsessed with quick results
• Why Botox feels so normalized—and why questioning it can make people defensive
• The difference between TMJ and TMJ disorder/dysfunction
• Hannah Berner’s masseter Botox experience and what it can teach us about risk
• Botox risks, toxin spread, boxed warnings, and why “reputable injector” ≠ zero risk
• The facial feedback loop and the connection between stress, the nervous system, and the jaw
• Face yoga and intra-oral/buccal massage as potential tools for supporting facial and jaw health
• Why adverse events may be underreported
• The “preventative Botox” narrative and what we’re actually trying to prevent
• How beauty culture can influence the way we perceive natural aging
• Expression, vitality, facial function, and what can get lost in the pursuit of looking younger
• Choosing informed consent over fear, shame, or blindly following beauty trends
• Why your advanced practice might have less to do with looking perfect—and more to do with actually being present in your body

If this conversation makes you question something you’ve been told is “normal,” good. That’s the point.

Share this episode with the friend who’s considering Botox, the person who’s always clenching their jaw, the yoga teacher who needs a reminder that yoga is more than a workout—or anyone who’s trying to figure out how to care for their body without turning aging into a problem that needs to be fixed.

And if you loved the conversation, leave us a review and let us know what you think.

Connect with Kat Parks / Be Easy Face Yoga:
Instagram: @beeasyfaceyoga
NoTox Guide: beeasy.life/notox
Find Your Face Freedom™: FindYourFaceFreedom.com

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Transcript

Welcome And Setting The Tone

SPEAKER_00 0:01

Welcome to the Nearly Enlightened Podcast, a high vibe toolbox designed to help you connect to your body, mind, and spirit. I am your host, Gianna Giurusso, and I'm here to share tools, conversations, and insights to help you on your journey of self-discovery. This podcast is all about exploring what it means to live a conscious, connected, and nearly enlightened life. Because the truth is the answers don't live outside of us, they're already within. Let's dive in. I am joined by Kat Parks again. If you haven't heard one of our episodes before, Kat is a yoga teacher, a face yoga teacher, and we kind of stirred things up last time you were on. I didn't mean to. I mean, we did, but we didn't. I think ultimately, like what it comes down to is like, yeah, what we were talking about is a little bit polarizing because we have normalized this like injection quick fix culture. And we were just like going off on a tangent before we started recording, and you were like, We have to record. You know, here we are.

SPEAKER_01 1:03

Those pre-roll stories, they're always so good. And people, I think, come to the Nearly Enlightened podcast for these kinds of conversations, and sometimes a little a little off the cuff. You know, if if someone is here and they're a fan of you, then they're a fan of spiciness. And if you're here and you're expecting us not to be spicy, then I think that you're probably listening to the wrong episode.

SPEAKER_00 1:28

Yeah, this podcast might not be for you if you're like, I don't know, easily offended or yeah, don't like to have these polarizing conversations. And like sometimes we don't. It's like what we were talking about. So we'll get into

How Modern Yoga Got Watered Down

SPEAKER_00 1:40

it now. It's like what we were talking about, like right before we hopped on. We were talking about how the yoga sphere has been watered down. And I've talked about this like endlessly on this podcast. Like here in America Modern Culture, we've kind of watered down the yoga practice to this fitness class. Like, you might as well just go to an aerobics class at the gym. And I had an interesting conversation this weekend with someone who practices yoga and has for a very long time. And they said something along the lines of I'm like paraphrasing, but something along the lines of like, I just come to yoga to move my body. I don't want to know about all the other stuff. Yeah. And of course, like me, I'm like trying to chew on this for a second and looking at it, and I'm like, Wall, like just go to the gym, like just go take a regular fitness class because like yoga is not just asana.

SPEAKER_01 2:42

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 2:42

And even if you're going to an asana forward class, like I would hope that they're at least talking about pranayama. Nope.

unknown 2:50

Nope.

SPEAKER_01 2:51

Like the problem with modern yoga. It it really is a problem. And it's I uh I did one of those trends on Instagram a couple weeks ago that are the top five horror movies, and I did the top five horror movies, yoga teacher edition, which is like every class is heated, everyone's wearing the same black pants, random camel pose without any uh prep, uh, going straight from warrior one to warrior two, and I forgot what the last one was, but it was like that's all it is these days, and you know, I I feel like every studio I live in Scottsdale, Arizona. It is like 110 degrees out here right now, and yet every studio seems to be heated, and it's like, why are all the classes hot? And why is that the only thing? And why why is it just all about this like fitness and sweating and chaturangas? There's so much more to yoga than that, but it's like people want to stay blind to that because they're here for the yoga fashion show.

SPEAKER_00 3:58

Yeah, yeah. And that's why, like, that's why Dee and I just launched this webinar, What Modern Yoga Isn't Teaching You. And I think we've done, even with our deep in your practice challenge, like we've done a really good job of like, oh, hey, there's all this stuff that we're we're not fucking talking about.

SPEAKER_01 4:14

I love that so much. I cannot wait to watch that webinar.

SPEAKER_00 4:18

I'm I'm excited about it. I'm excited to get people's feedback and you know, everything that we've created so far, we were like, oh, this is what baby yoga teacher me native.

SPEAKER_01 4:29

Yes. Yes. And it's, you know, the thing is sometimes it's uncomfortable to look at some of those things. And I'm sure that us as baby yoga teachers were probably like, oh God, I don't want to look at, you know, dharana or, you know, any of these other eight limbs of yoga. Like, I don't want to think about that because I'm just focusing on the asana. And I think that the same goes with what we're here to talk about today. There's a lot of stuff that we're going to talk about that people don't want to think about. They don't want to hear. They don't want to learn.

SPEAKER_00 5:02

And that's it. It's here. I think that that was so the few people that had an issue with the last podcast, not like issue, but like, you know, that it sparked something in them. I think it's people who kind of use those things and they felt a little bit like personally, like, well, if you think that about me, like you're judging me or whatever the story is. But it's like, yeah, sometimes when that mirror

Quick Fix Culture And The Mirror Moment

SPEAKER_00 5:30

gets held up to you, like I'm the first one to say it. When that mirror gets held up to me and somebody is like showing me that something I don't want to see, it's like, no, fuck you. And so I think it was a little bit of that. It's like, oh, but I do a little bit of Botox here and there, and you probably wouldn't even be able to tell. It's like, well, one, yes, I can tell. And two, it doesn't make me love you any less. It's just like, this is the facts, and you do with that information what you will, but that's part of the healing journey. It's like, okay, why do you feel like you need the Botox? Why do you feel like you need the fillers? Why do you think you need, like, I don't know, you know, whatever insert XYZ. Exactly. You know, and I'll be very candid about this. And I think I've talked about this on the podcast a little bit, but I was going to get breast implants in my very early 20s, and I didn't end up doing it. And I'm so glad that I didn't. But one of the things that was coming up for me at the time, it's like, why do I feel like I need this? Yeah. Like, what's it, like, what's it really gonna do? And like now I know what I know, and it's like putting this toxic foreign substance in your body and like all of these other things. So I'm like very glad I didn't. But it's like, yeah, it wouldn't make me any more me if I did that.

SPEAKER_01 6:43

Exactly. It's just it's being able to look deeper at the why you're doing it. And I want to at the very top of this episode throw out a little disclaimer that we are not here to judge anyone, we are not here to shame anyone, we're not here to say you have to follow life by Kat and Gianna's rules or you're a jerk. Nothing like that. So the people who honestly gave you feedback saying that they felt personally attacked, like well, not even like that's my that's my just like putting my opinion on it too.

SPEAKER_00 7:19

I I don't even know if that was what it was for them, but some people definitely like holding up that mirror of like, oh, why do you do this to yourself? Like, why are you paralyzing your muscles and injecting your face with neurotoxins?

SPEAKER_01 7:32

Exactly. Because our last episode was about uh, well, you know, a lot of the time we we kind of talk about these same sorts of topics with different threads. And last time we were talking about a yoga and botox party and how those things just absolutely don't go together. Yeah, like totally out of ends of the spectrum. If someone is out there and they host those or they do both of those things, I can understand that they might be like, oh my gosh, Kat and Gianna were talking about me. We were actually only talking about that one girl who was hosting a yoga and botox party. She can be personally offended. I don't think that she's listening, but that that was the one place where we were like specifically calling out like this one person who's doing this and saying, But she's the crazy thing is she's not the only one.

SPEAKER_00 8:16

Like it is happening all over the country. It's just like it's a really crazy thing to put together. And I kind of think it goes the same way with like the alcohol and yoga. And I think we might have talked about that before. And like sometimes it's like, oh yeah, whatever pulls the people in and plants the seed, like whatever. But I don't know. These are just my personal opinions. Like, what the fuck do I know?

SPEAKER_01 8:40

What do I know as a 15-year yoga teacher? You know, just a little bit of this, a little bit of that. And that's the thing, y'all, is that we're coming on here with not only our personal opinions, but also a lot of experience in this field, you know, working in yoga, working with bodies. I've been teaching yoga for 13 years, I've been teaching face yoga for five years, I've worked with thousands of students, I've read research articles, you know, the the yoga botox party gal was claiming that my my facts that I was putting out were uh just opinions. And here's the thing, y'all. You can do your own research, you can find these studies, you can find all of this information. It's at your fingertips. You have a phone in your hand right now, you have access to all of this stuff. What we're saying on here, both in the last episode and today, this is not just opinions, there's a lot more to it than that.

SPEAKER_00 9:39

Yeah, absolutely. And I think also like being having a reminder, we're holistic practitioners, and even we take an oath to do no harm. And like, I'm sorry, I don't think that's doing no harm to yours to yourself, and that's yeah, that's my fucking opinion.

SPEAKER_01 9:58

Yes, and I'm here for the the informed consent, and that that goes both ways, you know. That goes in in the way of me not just saying Botox is bad and everyone should stop doing it. Do I think that? Yes, but I'm not out here to just say a blanket statement of this thing is the most harmful thing, and every single person should stop doing it. And if you're doing it, you're XYZ. I'm not saying that. We're here to put out facts, share stories, and you know, go from there.

SPEAKER_00 10:32

Yeah, and I think it's a good opportunity to transition into what like what I contacted you with and what why I wanted to have this next

Hannah Berner And TMJ Botox Fallout

SPEAKER_00 10:40

episode talking about this. It's because if you know her, Hannah Burner, she was like on Summer House and now she's like a comedian, she has podcasts, she's everywhere. She just had this really crazy thing happen. She has TMJ dysfunction. And it's funny, like all those people that are like, I have TMJ. It's like, yeah, great. We all have two of them.

SPEAKER_01 11:03

We we all have TMJ. This is just your temporal mandibular joint.

SPEAKER_00 11:08

We all have two of them on either side of our face, but we're right, or TMJ D dysfunction, and she, because of her TMJ D dys D, she was the doctor was like, Oh, you shouldn't get vote. Botax will help relax the muscle. Like that is the story that's being pushed and not just on her. It's like that's literally what we're using now in modern medicine to deal with that. And she had some adverse effects where she like couldn't smile right and it went viral. It was like this huge thing. And I was like, Yeah, we have to talk about this. This is like what we were talking about. So here we are. Here we are about Hannah Burner.

SPEAKER_01 11:55

I love it, and I love that you talked about the the difference between TMJ and TMJ disorders or dysfunction, because yeah, a lot of people will just kind of say, I have TMJ. Yeah, we all do. Great, me too. But here's the thing our the disorder, the dysfunction is excessive clenching or grinding. It is a problem. It is absolutely a problem. And I'm not here to downplay that it's a problem. Right.

SPEAKER_00 12:24

It has crazy adverse health effects. Like you can wear down your teeth and then you're not chewing properly, and then oral health is like a whole other, whole other story.

SPEAKER_01 12:34

Yeah, it's a whole deal. But just like with anything, I think that we need to look at why something's happening. Yes. And why are we clenching and grinding so much more? It's likely related to our stress. Now, if I just tell you to like, oh, just deal with your life stress, that's terrible advice, right? Like, oh, just go deal with all that. But there are other things that we can do to affect that area and to affect the stress that is in our lives that is manifesting on our face. And uh, this is essentially called the facial feedback loop, which is basically when you have stress in your life, it can manifest on your face, right? You're stuck in traffic, it's a high stress moment, you start clenching your jaw. But it also works in reverse. When we can let go of that stress from our face, we can also help to release some of that stress from our life. So if we say, learn some different massage techniques or different face yoga exercises that we can utilize to help relieve that jaw tension, we can actually clench our jaw less because we've dealt with some of that stress from our life. And I'm not saying that it happens in like one session, but there are ways that we can address it that isn't just paralyzing the muscle.

SPEAKER_00 13:54

Yeah. And like we, you know, we both read some articles on this, and they don't know why it happened to her. It could have been a it could be a spread of of the botulin tox toxin. It could be the injection placement, it could be dosage, it could be her anatomy, it could be because her muscles were come, her other muscles were compensating, and that had an effect. So, like, we don't know. So, is it worth the risk? Also, she's a public-facing person, and now like your smile's all fucked up.

SPEAKER_01 14:28

Yeah. Well, and that's the thing that is, I think, the most important is that she is famous, that she is known, and people are seeing this happen right now. You know, millions of people are seeing this happen right now. How many other people has this happened to that no one sees them? You know, it's someone who doesn't have a public-facing job, or maybe they work from home and no one gets to see them for a few months until their smile comes back. The thing is that this didn't just happen to this one person this one time. But because she's famous, because we know her or people see her, it's being talked about more. And I hate that it's happened to her. I hate that this happens to anyone. But I have to say that I think that it's a good thing that people are talking about it. It's a good thing that people are maybe starting to wake up to the fact that things can happen, that we are actually injecting our faces with the world's most lethal neurotoxin that has a warning on the box that says that the toxin can spread, which is basically their most lawyerified legal way of saying this can move from where we've injected it and cause a whole bunch of other issues. The box on or the little warning label on the box literally even says can cause death. And I think that if people were more aware of that, they might question whether or not to inject it. And again, I'm not saying this from a place of shame or judgment or fear.

Risk, Label Warnings, And Informed Consent

SPEAKER_01 16:10

I'm saying that on the box, the Botox, the diceport, the Xeamin box, it says that this product can cause death. And if you want to find out about that, go ask your injector. Can I see the box that this comes in? Because I'm sure that they don't show you the box. They probably just bring out the needle. But it's on there. You can see it, they can see it. And I think that we all need to know that because this thing that happened to Hannah could happen to anyone.

SPEAKER_00 16:40

It can happen to anyone. It just goes to show like follow the money. It's like these doctors are giving this band-aid of an option, this dangerous option, because they're not getting kickbacks from the massage therapist, the acupuncturist, the chiropractor, like all of these other things that, yeah, it will work too, but it will take you time. Like it might take you six months to a year versus like, oh, you're going and you're having that one injection appointment. Yeah. It's like, yeah, it really like riles me up because all of these other modalities are completely valid and work and are safe. And like you're also giving your money to a small business versus big pharma.

SPEAKER_01 17:27

Exactly. And that's the thing, is that like these side effects can happen to anyone at any dose in any place. So it it affected her smile because she got this Botox injected in her maceter muscles, which are essentially you're chewing, clenching, grinding muscles by your job. Yeah. Well, and and that that masseter muscle is connected to everything else. All of your facial muscles are connected to everything else. And that's the point that I want to make throughout and in my teaching ethos in general is that your face is not just existing all on its own. It's not just floating out here in space. And you can say, Oh, I want to paralyze this one muscle, and then it's done. This thing can move. Your facial muscles are interconnected, they're connected to the bones, they're connected to your skin, and all of that is right up to your brain. And Botox has been studied that it can cross the blood-brain barrier, which means that especially when you're injecting it so fucking close to your brain.

SPEAKER_00 18:39

Yeah, right up in your face. And so your lymph nodes there are literally like it's just it's I mean, a lot of people like just don't know this.

SPEAKER_01 18:48

We just don't know. And people, just like with the yoga, a lot of people just don't want to know. Yeah. So I I suspect that the folks who maybe had an issue with our last pod where we were just basically saying, hey, yoga and botox don't go together, they don't want to know that these things exist. They don't want to know that this can happen. But I think that everyone should know. Because if you don't know, then you're not actually making an informed choice. And that's the number one thing, I think, above all. You go to the gym and you know that you could drop a weight on your foot. You are walking into that gym knowing that there is a risk that you can get hurt. And I think that if you're walking into the med spa, you should also know and be informed and acknowledge that you can get hurt.

SPEAKER_00 19:38

Yeah. Yeah. And it's like, I don't know, I'm just to the point where if your doctor is only giving you big pharma options, like you should look at your your healthcare provider.

SPEAKER_01 19:50

Yeah, yeah. Well, I want to like real quick, because I know that a lot of people really do deal with TMJ issues. The number one recommendation that I have for anyone dealing with this is an intra-oral or buckle massage. This is with a trained practitioner. Don't just try to do it yourself. Go to a trained practitioner. They are going to put their fingers in your mouth and give you a whole good inside-the-mouth massage. It can be quite uncomfortable, just throwing that out there, but it is a game changer for folks who have TMJ issues. I've seen people, you know, cancel all their Botox appointments because they finally found that this thing can actually help them. I've heard of people who, yeah, have been struggling with this for decades and finally found relief through these buckle massages. So I highly, highly recommend that. You know, if you live in a small town, that might be a little harder to find. But generally a buckle or intra-oral massage practitioner can be amazing.

SPEAKER_00 20:53

Yeah. And the other thing that I think one of the other reasons why people can have chronic TMJD or they can just be somebody who's prone to clenching and grinding. Something that we're starting to talk about here in the US now because of this explosive parasitic diarrhea is parasites. Parasitic infection can be one of the reasons why we chronically clench and grind our teeth.

SPEAKER_01 21:20

Fascinating. Yes. Fascinating. I love that. Well, you know what? It's the more information we have, I think the better. And we we all have the opportunity to take in this information and discern it for what works for our own lives. But that's that's what I'm here for. That's what we're both here for. And I'm going to share in the show. Well, I'll have Gianna share in the show notes, uh, but I'll be sharing throughout the episode today. I actually have a free 37 page guide that is all about Botox. It's called Top Five Things Cosmetic Injectors Don't Tell You. And not only are there These five myths, but there's also tons of research involved. I actually have a list of references at the end, a whole list of resources if you want to dive in a little bit deeper, as well as some face yoga techniques that you can utilize instead of getting these injections. I do talk about the TMJ issues or just general jaw issues within the book. And I do notate in the book that this is not something that I just generally say that people should self-treat or that I can give you instructions on how to deal with this just by writing them down. So I will say that if folks are dealing with TMJ issues, still go download my book, but know there's not going to be specific jaw exercises or techniques in that book. I want you to learn from a proper face yoga teacher, maybe in a little more one-on-one kind of a session or in a group setting where you can ask questions and really kind of get that feel for it live because it is such a sensitive area. It's related to

Alternatives For TMJ Relief That Work

SPEAKER_01 23:00

so many parts of our life that I don't think that it's worth just being able to like read a little blurb and be like, okay, now I can go self-treat my TMJ. So I do want you to go get that book, though. It's at beas.lifeslash no talks. And I'm gonna say that a few more times throughout this episode.

SPEAKER_00 23:16

Yeah. I mean, honestly, it's a great resource to have because if you are thinking about doing something like this where you're injecting some kind of like whether it's Botox, Disport, or any of the fillers, like you you should be doing all your research. You shouldn't just take things at face value. You should be digging in a little bit deeper, not swayed by your bias of wanting to do it.

SPEAKER_01 23:44

Yes, absolutely. And I think that that that bias, it can be, I don't even want to say that it's an internal thing because I think that it's generally our culture and society and social media has all kind of made us feel that way. But then there's also the practitioners who, you know, when I first moved to Scottsdale and I asked an aesthetician about Botox. Well, I asked her what should I do for my face? And she said, Oh my God, you should totally do Botox. It's the answer. Not even an answer, but the answer. And she didn't tell me anything about what it was, how it worked, what are the side effects, nothing. It was just, this is the answer. It's manna from heaven, you need to do it.

SPEAKER_00 24:27

And like, think about it, as just somebody who's an esthetician, like you didn't go to medical school. This is out of your scope of practice.

SPEAKER_01 24:35

Yeah. Yeah. And like the same way that I would think that my dentist would let me know about the the dangers of a root canal before I decide to go get a root canal. I would hope that my esthetician or my dermatologist would give me that same kind of informed consent before injecting my face with the world's most lethal neurotoxin.

SPEAKER_00 25:01

Yeah. And not only that, but I mean, we've talked about it on our episodes before. It's just like we're making ourselves, especially because like the commonplaces are forehead and around like the eye line, the crow's feet lines. And we're seeing it in Hollywood now. These actresses and now even actors are expressionless. So they're not even really, they're like little robots walking around. Like we are seeing transhumanism before our fucking eyes.

SPEAKER_01 25:30

Well, that's the thing is that like actors are supposed to act, right? That's like part of part of the word, like be full of expression. Yeah, and they're not anymore. Like, I I can't watch a movie with Nicole Kidman. I will specifically call her out. She's um, she's not gonna listen to your podcast either. No, and if she does, then she can be personally offended. I won't watch movies with her because I can't tell what she's trying to think. Is she supposed to be happy right now? Is she concerned? Is she on her deathbed? I can't tell. She just looks like a robot. And, you know, some of these other actresses that are kind of in their like more early 40s, they're getting facelifts already. They're getting that blephroplasty. We're getting, I mean, nose jobs have been around for a long time, but like it's we're getting to this place where these people don't look like people and they're unable to nuance emotions.

SPEAKER_00 26:25

It's and what we were talking about with the real housewives, like the real housewives of Rhode Island. Like, I loved it. I thought it was great. I'm like, like, my guilty pleasure is Bravo TV. Like, I will own that 100%. That's how I get my brain break. And I can just check out, and people are like, How do you find women yelling at each other relaxing? I don't know, I do, but they all came back from the reunion and they all look like different people. They're all on Ozempic, they're like stick figures. One of the women had a nose job, like a mini facelift. And it's just like, wow, they just got a little bit, a little taste of notoriety, and they went and just like, like, I don't know. It's just, it's such a fucking weird thing.

SPEAKER_01 27:08

Well, and so that's again when we have to ask ourselves the question, like what you were talking about way back in the day when you almost got a boob job. Why did you want to do that? Why are we so obsessed with being stick figure skinny? Why are we so obsessed with having a completely unmoving face? Why is it that we want our face to look like this or

Beauty Trends, Underreported Harms, And Follow The Money

SPEAKER_01 27:30

be like brat stalls?

SPEAKER_00 27:31

Well, it's so interesting because not that long ago, like the curvy girl style was in and everyone was going and getting BBLs, which is like the most dangerous plastic surgery there is. Like your chance of death is like more than 50%. Oh my god. But you know what? I have to look it up because it's something staggering and I don't want to fuck it up. That's like where they take someone else's fat, right? I don't know if they take your, I don't they like actually physically like cut you and I think like lift your own skin up. Oh my god.

SPEAKER_01 28:04

That's horrifying. You can tell that we are like natural girlies over here.

SPEAKER_00 28:08

We're like, oh my god, surgery's so gross. I mean, the mortality rate is like one in three thousand. So AI is saying, but I think it's more than that.

SPEAKER_01 28:17

That's crazy.

SPEAKER_00 28:19

When it first when it first came up, and there was like one doctor that had like a 300% mortality rate if you Oh my God.

SPEAKER_01 28:29

It's just well, and a lot of those things are under-reported, you know, like when we look at like the FDA VARES and FAIRS information, um, which again, this is completely accessible to any old Shmo. You can go ahead and Google right now FDA FAIRS database botox, and you'll find thousands of reported adverse events. And they say the FDA says that maybe only 10% of adverse events actually get reported. So you can just go ahead and multiply that number by 10 and see the, you know, from from anything as minor as a headache or chills or a fever, which yes, are adverse events, to things like full-bone blot botulism symptoms or even something like death. And if the doctor, the injecting doctor is not the one to submit that to the FDA, it's so much harder for the patient to do it themselves. So those things are underreported anyway. So even for something like this BBL, where you know AI is saying one in 3,000, it's probably more than that.

SPEAKER_00 29:39

It's crazy. So they take fat from other areas, they liposuction it out first, and then they purify the fat and they reinject it strategically into your butt and thighs.

SPEAKER_01 29:50

Purify.

SPEAKER_00 29:51

But what happens is it you get like a fat embolism, and that's what kills you. So basically, like they accidentally inject it into one of your blood vessels.

SPEAKER_01 30:00

Oh my god, y'all. And this is the thing is that modern medicine is amazing. Yeah, but it has its limits. And in its limits, you know, when when people have adverse events from Botox, which again, not fear-mongering, not shaming you, not judging you, it happens to people.

SPEAKER_00 30:19

It happens to a lot of people, and like you said, more frequently than you think and underreported.

SPEAKER_01 30:24

Yeah. And some people will say, oh, well, that was a bad injector, or you didn't go to someone reputable, or you were using a fake product. None of that is true. It can happen to anyone, any injector, any place, any brand name of botulinum type proc product. It can happen. But our whole face is like covered in blood vessels. And so the chance of you trying not to get one of those blood vessels, you can't do it. You can't do it. Like at some point, you're gonna nick a blood vessel. At some point, something's going to go wrong. And that's the thing that I hear some of these, it's mostly gals. There are some guys, but mostly gals talk about this concept of getting Botox, it's Russian roulette, because I've listened to some of these injury stories. There actually is another podcast out there called Botox Injury Stories. I encourage you to listen to that if you think that what I'm saying is not real. Where some folks had been getting it for like five, six years, you know, 40, 60, hundreds units and having no problem until the, you know, 42nd time they got injected. And some people got injected one time with 12 units and they got botulism. And, you know, it can happen. It says that on the label. The label doesn't actually say botulism because, again, the lawyers at these pharmaceutical companies are tip top. They're not going to actually call out botulism, but they are going to say the symptoms of botulism, which can seem really random. You know, it's things like muscle weakness. You might have difficulty, swallowing, difficulty, breathing. You might have another area of your body that turns out paralyzed or weak in some way. I've heard of some folks not able to hold their neck up. And that's that might not be after neck injections. They might have had forehead injections. One gal I've seen, she's like four years out and her muscles and her legs are still twitching all the time. So it's like if we knew about these things, if we knew that there was a chance that this could happen to us, would we still make the choice?

SPEAKER_00 32:31

Well, I think too, the more we normalize it, the more we are going to hear stories like Hannah Burner's. So, you know, like TBD. Yeah. We're gonna say, we're gonna sit here on a podcast like five years from now, and we're gonna be saying, We fucking told you so.

SPEAKER_01 32:49

Yeah. Well, and that's the thing, you know. I I hope that if you remember one thing from today's episode or from my ethos in general, it's that in in the pursuit of beauty, sometimes people unknowingly sacrifice their vitality. And that to me is that's the main thing. And I I hear some other folks will say, like, I don't care if you get Botox, or you know, I'm not here to say that you shouldn't. I don't want to be that wavy because you know what? It's your vitality and your health and your vitality is more important than being pretty. And I'm sorry, like there's nothing wrong with wanting to be pretty, but it is more important that you are alive. And your face is more than just aesthetic. It's muscular, it's neurological, it's emotional, expressive, adaptive. It matters that you're able to move your face, express your face, connect. And your face is not separate from the rest of you. But we've never really been taught to feel into our faces before trying to change them.

SPEAKER_00 33:56

Yes. And that is the difference between like we were talking about, it's like two different philosophies. It's like, oh, you could go do this like one little quick fix, or you can do the work that's uh gonna take you a bit. It's gonna, it's gonna be like a forever journey.

SPEAKER_01 34:14

Yeah, and sometimes the work is just learning to accept yourself. You know, I I think that one of the biggest the biggest plastic surgery trends right now is the blephroplasty, the eyelid surgery. And I've seen so many celebrities doing it. A lot of male celebrities are doing it now too, which I is such a bad idea. This this is my personal opinion. I think that hooded eyes are sometimes what makes someone sexy. And if we're taking away the thing that makes someone sexy, then they just look weird. But my my not so hot take on why so many people are doing this now or why so many people feel like they have to do this now, part of it is the the trend, the culture, the the society messaging. Another part of it is the Botox. If you've been paralyzing and atrophying your forehead muscle for so long, years and years and years, y'all, it's heavy. Your eyelids are gonna fucking droop. Your eyelids are gonna droop, your your eyebrows are gonna be heavier, everything's gonna set heavier, and you won't have

Aging, Expression, And The Hamster Wheel

SPEAKER_01 35:20

the plasticity of your muscles to actually help keep your forehead up. So then people, the next step is get that bluff. Then the next step is in your 40s, get that facelift. Well, what if you didn't need to do that? First of all, if you haven't been doing Botox all this time, then you probably don't have that heavy brow feeling or the you know, uh air quotes this the need to go cut your eyelids off. Um but there's the I lost my thread. Um I'm so pumped up about this. But basically, it's like we're we're on this forever hamster wheel.

SPEAKER_00 36:03

So then basically, what if you're gonna sell you more procedures, to sell you more pharma products?

SPEAKER_01 36:09

Exactly. So then, like, what if the work is not just to keep my eyebrows lifted, but the work is internal to say that, well, at some point my eyebrows are gonna sag. At some point, I will have gray hair. At some point, these nasolabial folds will be a little deeper. At some point, I'm gonna have more crow's feet than I have right now. That's also a part of the work. And I want to like also really instill that. I might be a face yoga teacher, but I'm so much more about that connection, acceptance, awareness, reality than I am about like, let's use this face yoga to make you look pretty. Is it gonna make you look pretty? Yeah, probably. You probably get a little bit more symmetrical, you'll be a little smoother, a little softer, more lifted, more toned, more blood flow. All of those things are going to make you look better objectively. But what if a part of the work is not just that, but learning how to be okay with this aging thing?

SPEAKER_00 37:11

Yes, the yoga teacher's class where we met, he is always saying, you are whole and complete. Yes, you are already whole and complete. Exactly. And I think that's hard for not only everyone, but even people in the healing community. Like you kind of get addicted to the healing, addicted to like the next thing you're working on, the shadow work, all of this stuff. It's like just fucking live. It's like another way, you're losing your vitality.

SPEAKER_01 37:39

Yes, it's the maxing. Yeah. All the all the hyper maxing, the yoga maxing and the longevity maxing. But there's like this longevity guy. I should have, I should have put this into our notes. Some longevity guy spends like two million dollars a year.

SPEAKER_00 37:55

And he's like on like his whole day is taking supplements.

SPEAKER_01 37:58

Yes, and and he spends all this money on like quote unquote longevity, but then now he's got some like crazy disease, and his stomach is eating itself.

SPEAKER_00 38:08

He's not even living. Okay, did you see the funny meme? It is like my favorite meme. Carnivore Aurelius shares it a lot, but it's him on one side, and then it's an Italian guy in the ocean on the beach smoking a cigarette, and it's like the health community has it wrong.

SPEAKER_01 38:26

Yeah, honestly. And like what's so fascinating about that guy, which again, I I don't even know his name, that's how far removed I am from it. But I didn't learn something. I thought it was Brian, anyway. Yeah, something like that. This fucking guy, he also had injected Botox into his penis, penis Botox, Botox.

SPEAKER_00 38:51

They talked about this on the valley.

SPEAKER_01 38:53

Oh my god.

SPEAKER_00 38:54

Well, they got like scrotum talks or whatever, yeah, scrootox.

SPEAKER_01 38:59

But like, what Brian Johnson is the guy, Brian? And like, what are you doing putting Botox in your dick? And he said something about like anti-aging. Again, this is not anti-aging. And so now he's wondering like why is he sick? And I'm not saying that the Botox made him sick, probably a bunch of other stuff made him sick, but you can't say that that's interesting. You can't say that you are health professional and put a world's most lethal neurotoxin into your penis. I'm sorry, those don't go together.

SPEAKER_00 39:32

And like, I'm sorry, he was at one point taking 111 supplements a day. That's fucking mental illness. Oh my god. He's down to 30 now. Down to 30.

SPEAKER_01 39:44

Oh my gosh. Oh, god. That's the thing, you guys. It's it's not just about this one thing. And it's when we're talking about the the face space, it's not just about wrinkles, right? It's your face's muscles, nerves, fascia, circulation. Our breathing affects our face, our posture, our stress affects our face. And honestly, being able to find more awareness of your habits throughout the day, of your expressions throughout the day, that can be more of a game changer than trying to paralyze yourself out of aging. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 40:19

Oh, this is great conversation. Here we go again.

SPEAKER_01 40:22

I love it. Well, because it's a conversation about the relationship with ourselves, you know, like, yeah, we want to feel beautiful, but we don't want to abandon ourselves. And I think that that's what we're always talking about on the Nearly Enlightened podcast is that it's it's not just one thing or the other. We're living in this crazy modern world where there's so much going on, there's so much for us to do or to not do or to focus on or to not focus on, but your face is not a problem to solve as quickly as possible. You know, what if what if it's not asking to be frozen, but it's asking to be understood?

SPEAKER_00 40:59

Yeah. No, I totally get this. And and you can, yeah, I can it's it's stuff that I have dealt with a lot. I think you know this. Like I had a cyst on my wrist for a really long time just from overuse. I was a massage therapist, I do yoga all the time, so it was just like kind of an overuse injury. And of course, the doctor's like, okay, we can cut it out of you. Like, that's their response. And I was like, I really don't want to do that. So I went to acupuncture, I did some research, I started wearing a copper bracelet, I started doing castor oil, I did a parasite cleanse, and that was ultimately what did it. I did a parasite cleanse, and under the guidance of your wonderful husband, and week two, it wasn't even week two, it was like week one and a half, yeah. I guess it was around the two-week mark. It I looked down, I was vacuuming, I looked down and I was like, oh my god, it's not there anymore, and literally has been gone since.

SPEAKER_01 42:02

Oh my god, that's amazing.

SPEAKER_00 42:04

So it's like, yeah, I could have taken the quick fix and like gone and gotten it cut out of me, and then I would have been on pain medications and like went under anesthesia and all of this stuff, and then I'd have a scar, which does have adverse effects and could have affected my range of motion, my mobility, and it could have come back.

SPEAKER_01 42:23

Wow.

SPEAKER_00 42:23

So I could have done all that and it could have come back. Instead, I addressed where it was probably coming from my neck and my shoulder. I did my parasite cleanse, I did all these other little things, like in acupuncture, they do surround the dragon, so they just put needles like all around it and did my castor oil. And I mean, it took like three years, but it went away. That's amazing.

SPEAKER_01 42:47

That's such a great story because honestly, I think probably, yeah, most people would be like, all right, yeah, cut that motherfucker out. And like, I mean, I've been there with you know, dermatologist stuff, some weird thing on my foot, and he's like, let's just freeze it. And I'm like, all right, I have no idea what that stuff does. Like, no idea. And well, hey, that thing on my foot is back. So gotta figure out the next step. And that's the thing, is that like that's inconvenient. It's inconvenient to think about that next step, or you know, what can I do instead? Or yeah, does Botox work super fast? And then, you know, people people love their results. And that's the thing. I'm not saying that people don't do it and love it. Like people love their Botox and it does work very quickly. And nothing that I do can get you those results that fast. And I will be honest about that because face yoga is a practice, but ultimately, you know, my my 12 week program is called Find Your Face Freedom. Face Freedom is the goal, and ultimately. I want my clients and myself to look in the mirror and feel like, oh my gosh, wow, my face is not a problem. And is it changing? Do I look different than I did four years ago? Yeah. And is that something that I can live with and learn to grow into? Yeah. And that to me is better use of my time, a better use of my vitality than trying to stop time or stop aging or stop movement in a way that can potentially really, really harm me. You know, Botox, a lot of the time it's marketed as this thing that's like preventative or empowering or self-care. It and people do it like they're just getting their nails done.

SPEAKER_00 44:44

I mean, it's the same thing with peptides. And I saw this really funny meme the other day, and it was like, it was like all of you anti-vaxxers are now getting your peptides from the tamale lady. It's like you can get them anywhere. Like people are literally buying it at the bodega.

SPEAKER_01 44:58

Oh my God. But like that's the thing is that like these are these are a big deal. And Botox is a prescription medication that the whole point is to intentionally weaken muscles. Like that's what it does. And when we're talking about self-care, like that should be something that's supporting our health. So let's not call paralysis wellness and put a bow on it, right?

SPEAKER_00 45:22

I think it's even really funny that we have to celebrate the few actresses that are like, no, I'm aging naturally.

SPEAKER_01 45:29

Oh my gosh, that lady looks like an old lady. Wow. That's amazing.

SPEAKER_00 45:34

It's so it's so weird.

SPEAKER_01 45:37

Who were we talking about the other day? We we called out some queens. It was um Jamie Lee Curtis.

SPEAKER_00 45:46

Like, we're sleeping on her. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 45:48

Oh yeah. Well, and you know what I think is so interesting in like the Hollywood sphere or the idea of like actresses chasing this eternal youth is that, like, okay, there's this set of actr actresses who are like mid 50s right now that they kind of look like their early 40s, you know, like the Nicole Kidman, the Jennifer Lopez, etc. Who is gonna play the older ladies? Who is gonna play the 60-year-old lady when no one looks 60? You know, who's gonna play the grandma when no one looks like a grandma? And at some point, it's like just learning how to accept where you are in life.

SPEAKER_00 46:29

It's even so like Pamela Anderson's actually a really good, good one because she's a great one. She has injected, she has had her lips filled. I mean, she still has fake boobs and all this stuff, but she has really embraced this natural kind of like look and aging. And it's just like I like it is weird that we have to celebrate it. And even, I mean, Martha Stewart is someone I talk about because she's obviously done things like filler is and probably had a mini facelift and like probably other things, but she talks about how she didn't do Botox or she did, but she had adverse effects because it made her her face muscle, like it made her whole face droop. And she was like, That's not the look that I was going for. Yes, it's just kind of like we're in interesting times for sure.

SPEAKER_01 47:15

Well, we had this note in our notes together where like at what point does like filler or Botox or injections start actually accelerating the appearance of aging? And I think that that's such an interesting concept because it's like it's touted as this fountain of youth, and that oh, if you get Botox, then you will look young. But I actually feel like there's a whole set of like younger Gen Z influencers. I don't even want to call them celebrities because they they only exist notable humans, whatever people that they there's these gals who are like 22 and they look like they're 45.

SPEAKER_00 47:56

And yeah, because they're getting their lips filled and like they're chilled. Yeah. No, and you know what? It's like I think I've said this before on some of the podcasts, but I used to work for med spa when I was a massage therapist in Arizona. So, like a place where work is like very I mean, you could go into a clinic and have your fat sucked out in an office, like not even in a hospital, and have it injected somewhere else. Like you on every corner, there was some kind of like cosmetic something. And the injector at the place where I worked would always say, This, you know, you're still gonna look your age, you're just gonna look your age with work done. And this is somebody who that's her livelihood. Yeah. So it's like you're not making you're lying to yourself if you're telling yourself you're making yourself look younger. You're not.

SPEAKER_01 48:44

You're not. And the as we keep getting the Botox, you know, paralyzed and atrophied muscles, they're heavier. Like I said before, you know, that if if you're we'll talk about the forehead. If you're always paralyzing the forehead, it's gonna get heavier. Your frontalis muscle that lays across your forehead is a huge, heavy, super active muscle. So if that's heavier, it's gonna bring down your brows more, which will make you look older.

SPEAKER_00 49:09

Okay, so this is interesting. Our queen, Jamie Lee Curtis, has been quoted as saying, once you mess with your face, you can't get it back.

SPEAKER_01 49:17

It's so true. It's so true. Because you do it one time and it's different. And, you know, the excessive use of Botox can actually start to thin the skin. Same with retinol, same with hyaluronic acid, which are both things that people talk about as like this is the most amazing thing. Well, it's basically forcing your body to do something that it's not ready to do. Retinol is like forcing your body to turn over uh skin cells too quickly. Haluronic acid is forcing those skin cells to suck hydration, which actually ends up sucking it from other parts of your body. But both of those things can thin the skin, which can increase that aged look. So honestly, like there are some folks I know who are peers of ours, you know, later 30s, who have been getting the toxin, the fillers, and all this stuff for a while. They look like they're in their later 40s. And they might think that they look young or refreshed or whatever, but what is young and refreshed is blood flow, is collagen, is relaxed. And face yoga is the thing that can help us get that blood flow and relaxed and collagen, not paralyzing our faces.

SPEAKER_00 50:37

We got a couple good ones. We got a couple good ones. I'm going through. Okay. We have Alicia Keys. Okay. Jamie Lee Curtis. Tina Faye. Love it. I actually don't know who this is. Oh, Jody Foster. Okay. Jennifer Garner.

SPEAKER_01 50:58

Okay. Stevie Nicks. Interesting. I would have thought that Jennifer Garner had a work then.

SPEAKER_00 51:04

Stevie Nicks has been quoted as saying and I don't know if this is this is like fucking, you know, what I'm finding on a Google search. Allegedly, Stevie Nix has been quoted as saying, Botox only makes you look like you're in a satanic cult.

SPEAKER_01 51:19

Oh, okay. I like that. Yes.

SPEAKER_00 51:23

Diane Keaton, R.I.P. Cameron Diaz, which she's another one. Like everyone has speculated that she might have had work done in the past, and like maybe she did, maybe she didn't. But she said, I would rather see my face aging than see a face that doesn't belong to me at all. Yes.

SPEAKER_01 51:42

Well, and that's the the interesting thing. I've listened to a number of podcasts with folks who've been injured by Botox. And there was this one gal, I'll never forget her episode. She had been getting it for like six or seven years, you know, religiously. Every three to four months, she's going back into the mid-spa, getting more Botox. The more Botox you get, the more Botox you have to get for it to actually set in and work the way that it's supposed to. So she was getting tons of units before she got injured. Then she got injured by Botox. But she was saying that after that six or seven years, she didn't even look like her driver's license picture anymore. And she would have people question, is that really you? And she was like, I can't actually remember what it was that I looked like. And that's the crazy thing because it's like the more that you do it, the more you have to do. And then it changes your perception of yourself. And then you're like, I'll just get a little bit more. I'll just get a little bit more. I'll just get a little bit more. And then you're a different human being.

SPEAKER_00 52:38

Yes, actually, we have some good actresses here that have said, like according to this thread, have said some like really profound things. Julia Roberts is one of them. She said it's unfortunately we lived in it's unfortunate we live in such a panicked, dysmorphic society where women don't even give themselves a chance to see what they'll look like as an older person. Banger. Holly Berry, Kate Beckinsale, Kate Winslit. And I'm looking at these pictures of these women and they look better than the women doing all of this work. Like I promise you, go find this Reddit thread. They look better.

unknown 53:15

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 53:15

Carol Street. Emma Thompson. I actually don't know who she is. I live under a rock. Like, I'm not a big pop culture, girly. But she said plastic surgery is not a normal thing to do. And this culture that we've created that says it's normal is not normal. Yeah. Yeah. She's amazing. That's a banger. Julianne Moore. I love it. Okay. Like queens. Total queens. And that's what I'm saying. I gotta send you this thread so that you can use it for your face yoga freedom.

SPEAKER_01 53:49

Please do. Please do. Because it's important that we have these role models. And that's that's what I want to be. I want to be that role model that people are like, oh my God, Kat has grown up and looks like her age, you know, as a human being. But it's funny because like the other day I was at the Orthodontist and I was telling some of the assistants about this face yoga workshop that I have coming up. And one of the gals goes, Oh my gosh, Kat, you're such a great billboard for face yoga. It's like you're you just don't have any wrinkles. You don't even need Botox. And I looked at her and I said, No one needs Botox. And she like laughed at me. And I was like, no, but I'm serious. Like, I'm serious. No one needs that. And it's like we've we've put it into this thing where it's like, you need it. We need to paralyze our face muscles. We need this thing to make us look younger.

SPEAKER_00 54:41

You need to look younger than your actual age.

SPEAKER_01 54:44

Yes. And it's like, what's the point? Why? Yeah, I don't know. Why? So I encourage you, listener, to ask why and to get that informed consent. Because, like I've said a few times through, I'm not trying to scare anyone. I just want people to know that they have options. You know, anything that I've said, it's not just stuff that I'm making up. The manufacturers themselves actually warn that the toxin can spread beyond the injection site. And this is when they go talk to a pharmacist. Yeah. And this is not just the brand Botox, Dice Sport, ZMN, I think it's Juveau, or maybe that's a filler. There's whatever, fucking all of them. They're all the same. They're all the same. But they all have a boxed warning from the FDA that includes the potential symptoms like generalized muscle weakness, difficulty breathing, difficulty swallowing, toxin spread, and in rare cases death. So, like, would you make that same decision if you knew that those things could happen? If you knew that you could lose your smile like Hannah Burner, if you knew that you wouldn't be able to drink from a straw or that your eyelids would droop or you'd have facial asymmetry, maybe for a while, you know, and forever. Maybe forever. And some people would still choose to do the Botox, knowing those things. And that's fine because they'd be making an informed decision. But if you've been getting injections or if you've thought about it and you don't know these things, then you're not informed. And that's the whole argument I'm trying to make is not saying that people are bad for getting Botox. I'm saying that it's not good that we don't know what we're doing.

SPEAKER_00 56:32

Yeah. I mean, it's the same way I feel about peptides. It's like there's no long-term safety studies. It's going to be interesting and probably sad to see all of these Gen Zers who have been bamboozled, because that's what they've been. They've been bamboozled into doing all of these cosmetic procedures and how you know the long-term effects play on their vital organs, their skin, liver, kidneys.

SPEAKER_01 57:02

Yeah. Because it's their prescription medications, they're they're man-made things. You know, quick little fun fact botulinum toxin was actually discovered in a lab. They were trying to make a warfare agent. And it is actually, and I I've said it a couple times, it is the most lethal neurotoxin on the planet. You can Google that. It is more toxic than the other man-made chemical warfare agents. They actually put the kibosh on using it as a warfare agent because they were like, oh, actually, it's like too intense. But one of the researchers actually stole some vials of botulinum toxin and went to go work on it in his own lab. And that's where then they came up with the idea that, like, oh, you could inject it and it can paralyze muscles. So then they were using it for people having spasms or whatever. And then it then it turned into a cosmetic thing. So it's like it goes from a where warfare agent to, you know, serious medical thing to cosmetics.

SPEAKER_00 58:06

That's basically the story of chemotherapy, too. It's like a product of mustard gas. Oh my god. I I might be wrong. And then Agent Orange also ended up being like one of the most used pesticides in the United States.

SPEAKER_01 58:22

Classic.

SPEAKER_00 58:23

Classic.

SPEAKER_01 58:24

Classic. So it's like we need to think about like what are we gonna do instead of suppressing our health and vitality and our muscles. Like your face might be asking for more movement, more circulation, more awareness, breath, better

Face Freedom Program, Free Guide, And Closing

SPEAKER_01 58:40

sleep, better posture, probably some nervous system regulation. You know, your face deserves more support, not suppression.

SPEAKER_00 58:51

Heck yeah. Bangers today. Bangers, one after the other. If someone wants to work with you, where can they find you?

SPEAKER_01 58:59

Amazing. Well, I've got a 12-week program that is my main offering. It's called Find Your Face Freedom.

SPEAKER_00 59:07

And there's a cohort starting very soon.

SPEAKER_01 59:10

Yes, we're starting in like just about a month. So hop on that bandwagon. This is the place where we are learning not just face yoga poses in a vacuum and just practicing moving our faces. We're learning about awareness. We're learning about the foundation of why this is important. We're learning how to cultivate better habits in our lives. You know, what on our faces is due to nature. Were you born with or nurture? Are you contributing to? We really go deep on education, learning about the muscles, lymphatic system. We have a whole week where we actually go deep on injectables, which I could talk about for a long, long time if you can't already tell. So, yeah, the next cohort starts in about a month, but there will be rolling cohorts as you listen to this in the future. So check it out. Findyourfacefreedom.com has all the info. You can book a call with me. I am a normal human being, not like a pushy injector or anything like that. Just kidding. But I just want what's best for you. And I want to be able to share with folks that there is so much more that we can do than just inject ourselves, right?

SPEAKER_00 1:00:21

Yes, heck yeah. Like, like you said, inform yourself, like get actual research. Don't take people's blind opinions for face value. And even these injectors or these aestheticians that are working at med spas, they get kickbacks. Yeah. Everyone get kickbacks. So, like, of course, they're trying to sell you this because they're trying to get a bonus. They're trying to get these companies to send them out to dinners, which which happens. I can tell you, I fucking worked there. I know I was just a massage therapist, but you know, I went on the dinners, I got the lunches sent to us. I didn't get any of the financial kickbacks, but the aestheticians and the injectors did.

SPEAKER_01 1:01:06

Yeah. Well, and so, and then again, like you were asking, you know, following the money. We just need to ask ourselves a little bit more about that, you know, and what what is the point of what we're doing? Why are we choosing to do it? What are the the side effects if something bad happens? And just being really informed about that. But, you know, truly, I what I want for everyone is that we are choosing our vitality over our beauty. We can still choose beauty, but just not placing one over the other. And that's also what I am sharing in my free 37-page guide, totally free, be easy.life slash no talks. Top five things that cosmetic injectors don't tell you. And these are things, you know, really basic things that you could look on Google. These might be things that you have never heard of before. Everything has a scientific study attached to it so that you know that it's not just me spouting out my opinions. This is a well-researched document, and you get some face yoga that you can practice as well to target some of those areas. Plus, a little, you know, six-week email hangout with me, just kind of sharing more about this concept of choosing yourself over beauty, choosing connection over suppression, choosing joy, choosing life over these things that can honestly really change our lives for the worse. So, really asking, you know, what's your face trying to tell you? Because maybe it's just trying to be understood.

SPEAKER_00 1:02:40

Yes.

SPEAKER_01 1:02:43

Alrighty. Thank you for being on. Oh my gosh. I love being here. I love when you asked me about this topic. I'm always here to talk about it, you know, and let's let's stir some more pots, ruffle some more feathers, and change some more lives.

SPEAKER_00 1:02:57

We I think this should be a monthly segment. I know it's hard for us projectors to nail ourselves down, but like I do think that this should be a monthly segment because I think as we keep going with these injectables, whether it's peptides or otherwise, these kind of stories are going to become more known, more in the forefront of the conversation.

SPEAKER_01 1:03:22

Yes. Today it's Hannah Burner, tomorrow it's someone else. Yeah. And, you know, it's 20 to be listed though. Yeah. Well, and it's it's unfortunate and it's sad that it it is going to happen to more people. And I don't want that. And I don't want it to happen to you, dear listener. But that's that's just a part of the whole conversation. And I would be so happy to come back here monthly because I love these bangers. And, you know, yes, we might be stirring some pots, but we are also changing some lives because I I surely do hope that someone out there has listened to this and been like, oh shit, maybe I shouldn't go to that Botox appointment later today.

SPEAKER_00 1:04:02

Um, and we're talking to people, listening through like, this is what we would tell our best friend. This is what we would tell our sister. I know you don't have a sister, but you know, this is what we would tell people that we loved or our students that practice with us all the time. Like anyone that we care about, we would be having this conversation with. So yeah.

SPEAKER_01 1:04:23

And I have had this conversation. Like, I I have both friends and family members who get injected. And I had a conversation just like this with a family member last year. And I was like, look, do you know about these things? And she was like, Yeah, I do. It's fine, I love it. And I was like, Okay, great. And I still love her and she's still wonderful, and I still feel sad about it, and I still hope that nothing ever happens to her. And if it does, I'm not gonna be like, I told you so. But it's gonna be one of those things where it's like she was informed, yeah, she gave consent, and that's all we can do at the end of the day. It's in the realm of possibilities. Exactly.

SPEAKER_00 1:05:04

Well, thank you so much for being here. I hope to have you on again soon. Maybe we'll have to hop on again right before the face yoga freedom so we can talk a little bit about that, and then it'll be exciting. We can talk about it through. I love it. Thank you for being on here. Thank you. And dear listener, thank you so much for tuning into today's episode of the Nearly Enlightened podcast. If this conversation resonated with you, I would love it if you shared it, left a review, or reach out to me and let me know your thoughts. And if you're looking for more ways to deepen your connection to your body, mind, and spirit, check out my Meditate to Elevate Guided Meditation portal or visit nearlyenlightened.com for more resources. Until next time, stay curious, stay connected, and remember the answers already lie within.