EP. 219 Jimbo Fausett

In this episode we have on legendary hog hunter Mr. Jimbo Fausett! He started hog hunting over 50 years ago, seeing evolution of the game and sport in front of his own eyes. From hounds to curs and all in between he's run about all of them and has plenty of stories to tell. Another one you don't want to miss!

Transcript

SPEAKER_03 0:52

All right, everybody. Joey Nate here with you. Another Dixie Dog is show coming to me. We got a guest on with us today. He was recommended to us by another guest that we've had. And uh we got Mr. Jimbo Fawcett on with us today. Uh so Mr. Jimbo, tell us tell the world out there who you are, uh where you're from, you know, and and what kind of dogs you got. Just give us a rundown on what you do.

SPEAKER_02 1:19

Well, uh I'm Jimmy Fawcett. They call me Jimbo around here ever since I was about five years old. And uh I'm from a little old community they call Hubert, Texas. And uh I've uh I've been I've been hunting quite a while now since back in the 70s, early 70s, probably in around 73, 74. I went uh to uh uh used hunting uh hunted cur dogs mainly. Well, I tell you what, I hunted any kind of dog that run a hole back then. It didn't make no difference. If it was a five, if he could find a hole, of course. Back then the hoes weren't near as plentiful as they are today. But uh anyway, that's pretty much it. Uh, you know, I I started hunting with some boys up at up in Beckville. Uh they came down, I say started hunting with them, they come down here because a friend of mine over here in Arcadia had started having some hog problems. And uh anyway, they came down. I uh actually I was looking for a dog, and they came down and and uh and and started kind of kicked it off and kind of got me excited about it. But they was always used to, you know, hunting hogs in a river bottom that their grandpa had run hogs in the river bottom, and they had, you know, uh uh groups of hogs down there that that you know that they uh kept fed and and could call them up with a pickup home, like a herd of cows, you know. And uh they were used to hunting them half, I don't know, you know, they kept telling me that they wanted to come down here. They had heard there was some Russian type hogs down here, and and they came down here and and uh what it was, we did have some Russian type hogs, but they were used to running domestic wild hogs. And they wasn't used to wanting some of them pulling out and running for for 30 or 40 minutes, you know. Yes. But um back in the first, you know, uh hogs, if you bathed one, you caught it. Yes, sir. Yeah. Nowadays it's a little bit different for me. Now everybody may catch everyone they run now, I don't know. But me, I don't, and I've never been able to do that. But back then, you know, old hogs, they didn't run as bad. They didn't well, matter of fact, there wasn't nobody around here hunting but me. And a friend of mine down in the lower country down here in Sabine County, and uh, but up around here I was the only one that even hunted. And you know, and back in we hunted horseback, and which everything has changed up so much. Dog-wise, hog-wise, you know, the the whole program is uh just different, you know. You catch dogs, you know, they're I'm sure these guys got some good catch dogs, but back then, you know, we was catching lots of hogs with and had some good decent catch dogs. But uh, you know, it it's uh we we'd start and and most of the time, of course, everybody used to pick at me because here a while back we was gonna go hunting. They hadn't been with me in a while, and uh they asked me what time you want to go, and I said, I don't know, eight, nine o'clock. They said, You we don't get up at four in the morning and and leave out at five. I said, Well, no, I said we don't do ain't quite and mad at them as they used to be. But but we used to uh you know, and and there was a little market for a hog back then, you know. Them old boers, if they brought$125 and I could catch four or five of them a week or three of them a week, they'd pay a pay electric bill. Yeah, you know, and uh and and that's what I I didn't make a whole lot of money, and you know, about$300 a week is about all I made while I worked and worked there 28 years and wasn't making much more than that when I finally moved on to something bigger and better, you know. But them oh hogs around here, you know, uh for me, uh was uh I one one one time we had I'd gathered up, I think I had 15 bores that weigh over 200, and they was about half of them weigh over 300. And we my wife, she always stayed on me about them, you know, that stump and all this stuff. Matter of fact, where my house is sitting right now, it used to be a pen, a hog pen. And uh uh we some guys come in there, they people brought hogs from everywhere around here, and some guys out of Whiteface, Texas come in here and and uh and was buying hogs. And uh it was missing rain on Saturday morning, and there's a bunch of people that showed up bringing hogs, and uh these guys started weighing hogs. And and I thought, Lord, as slow as they are, we'll be here all day, and I don't want to do this out in the rain because they have a shop down there, and we'd set their little old uh uh uh bookkeeping deal up down there where they could, you know, kind of keep up with the books that getting wet. We fooled around and and I finally asked my wife, would she hang out with them and and kind of help them out? We'd rush it up a little bit. Anyway, we got up there and they wrote my check. And uh when she when they wrote my check and they signed it, and she called my name out for my check, and uh she said, This is yours. I said, I hope so. The old boy said, Yeah, that's his, you know. It was$47 or$4,800 for the bulls. The hogs were banging 54, 55 cents a pound, you know. Wow. And and we had, of course, I had more than just them big boars, I had a bunch of sows and and stuff, and they were uh sell uh they processed that meat. They didn't, they were just buyers, but they processed that meat and sold it and shipped it somewhere. I don't know. All I knew is I I got my forty eight hundred dollars and my wife told me that them hogs didn't smell near bad as well.

SPEAKER_03 8:21

Ain't that the truth?

SPEAKER_02 8:22

You know what they did three or four days before that, of course. You know, I'd had some of them long enough, uh, you know, that we had a f uh I worked at a feed store for 28 years, and we had a feed meal, and a lot of my old scrap feed and stuff I could feed them, which helped me out a bunch, but mainly dead chickens. Yes, sir. Them dead chickens is make one roll for. I'm talking about, you know, of course, you know, I mean, it didn't take but one a day, one or two a day, you know, and I'd come in from work and I could stop and pick up a trailer load, you know, and when I made my round up through here, we lived in a trailer house right, maybe 150 yards out in front of this house now. And uh anyway, she she didn't have to you didn't have to worry about no whole lot of feeding them old boars good and fat and and it got heavy, you know.

SPEAKER_03 9:22

And uh now what what years was this, Jimbo?

SPEAKER_02 9:26

That's gonna be in the uh in the 80s, eighty five, six, maybe forty, eight hundred dollars then.

SPEAKER_03 9:34

My god.

SPEAKER_02 9:35

Yeah, that was a lot of money. Yes, sir, and it hadn't been uh probably a year before that. I had a blue dog that a man kept on wanting, wanting, and I didn't want to get rid of him. And I sold him for$4,000, and that was in the 80s, so you know I mean that was a hog dog. You know what I mean? You know, I mean, that wasn't, you know, I mean, I I thought I'd done hit uh won the lottery or something, you know. I mean, but oh, they bought that dog and and matter of fact, they bought that dog and wound up buying right at$10,000 worth of dogs off of me. Wow. And, you know, that was to me, you know, that was big money. Now now today, you know, I hear these dogs banging a whole or people asking a whole lot more for them, but you know, I don't, I don't, you know, uh I knew what that that one dog was, and I had some more hounds, and you know, I hardly ever sold a cur dog. Most of the time I would sell hounds. Uh people in Arkansas, and uh matter of fact, there's a man, the man, he lived in Jones, Louisiana, which is right over the uh that gum. I can't even think of the man's name now, but anyway, he was a farmer up there, and uh, and and he got uh you know hog hunting, I guess, on campus cross and stuff, one thing, but uh uh he bought I don't know, four or five plot dogs, a walker dog, and and uh and that blue dog, and of course the blue dog, one of the one of the plot dogs actually bought more than what the blue dog did because I'd sold him a plot dog, and I don't know if this is what y'all want to hear or not, but I'm just telling you.

SPEAKER_03 11:36

That's exactly what we want to hear.

SPEAKER_02 11:38

There was uh I had a plot dog and they called him Duffy, and I'd raise him from a puppy. And uh I mean he was slow as smoke, but when you put him on the ground, you could go on to town, buy groceries, whatever you wanted to do, and come back there and wow, it'd be made somewhere. It might not be in this county, but he'd be made somewhere. But uh he uh they come, we had a hog band, is what it was over at the rodeo arena and center. And these folks uh come in here from Arkansas, the same ones that bought the blue dog and and bought the plot dog, and they come in here and Alan Everett was the man's name. And he bought, he told me that day, he said, No, I brought these boys back, said they want to buy a dog. I said, Well, Mr. Allen, I hadn't got anything right now. He said, What about your walk dog? I said, I really don't want to get rid of him. He said, Well, I'm gonna tell you the truth. He said, These boys brought old Duffy back quit hunting. Yeah. And one of them came, he said, there comes Teddy right there. He said, He's bringing, bringing old Duffy up here that you look at him. Well, he was about a foot across the back. He was a fat, he couldn't hardly walk, you know. It wasn't because he had quit hunting, it was because he couldn't, you know. But anyway, they kept talking there, and and uh finally I told him, I said, I'll tell you what I'll do. I they give me$2,500 for old Duffy. And I uh the when the walking dog, I told him, I said, I'll tell you what I'll do, I'll take$3,000 for it. And they said, I'll tell you what we'll do. Said, we'll give, no, it was$3,500 because they told me, we'll give you$3,000 and old Duffy back. Yeah, that's what it was.$3,000. So that made, you know, old Duffy, the Walker dog, one of them brought$5,500. You know, so you know, so it was uh pretty good deal there. But you know, I I busy wound up with, you know, I mean, we we took the dog the next day and caught four hogs with him, you know, in in some bad country. So, you know, uh, bless his heart he we put him on one of them showing up diets, you know, and and uh he couldn't, you know, he some dogs just can't hunt fat, you know. And and he was one of them. But but other than that, that's been pretty much, you know, we hunted this country here for years, and I hardly ever we we uh we had some pens that you know we'd we'd gather up hogs and keep them in, of course, some of the shoats and pigs get out, and and you know, uh back then, back then it wasn't no big deal, you know. Of course, you know, uh there was lots of folks trying to keep his deer leases and stuff. You know, they would they wanted some wild hogs. Well we uh you know they just didn't have uh, you know, hogs are gonna go where they go. Oh yeah. You know, of course they thought if they turned them out on their lease that you know that they'd be there. But you know, and we had a a place up in Panola County that we hunted. It was about 8,000 acres and had access to about 10,000 more, probably the biggest area around here. Of course, you know, back then people didn't care. You know, they'd you know, you if if I've I went up to people's houses at two o'clock in the morning and tell them I got a hole tied up down here, I need to take him out, bring him out, and a lot of times people would go with me. You know, they'd want to go with me. But nowadays there's a whole lot different around here. Oh, yeah. You've got to kind of keep it pretty tight around here, you know, and and uh uh lots of people is I I got some dogs now. I ain't got none of the dogs that I used to have uh uh uh and and I know there's some boys running here that's got some good ones because I've been seeing lots of hogs being caught, but uh my I everybody always asked me, did I a cur dog better than a ham? And I always told them I could find more back then, I could find more with a ham, but I caught more with a cur dog.

SPEAKER_00 16:22

Yes, sir.

SPEAKER_02 16:23

And because you know, back then, you know, an old boar came through. It was a friend of mine down in the lower country. We had uh, you know, we have matter of fact, and this was verified, uh, of how many hours we we have traveled a hog up that's been put on and bathed and he broke and run off, and anyway, the boys didn't get him. We put on him 19 hours later with old Docky and a black and tan hound. And they traveled him to a clear cut. Now, I mean they just didn't fall down there and start screaming and hollering and go to him. You know, we had to help them every now and then they'd we'd search up a track for him and they'd hit him go again because old Ducky, he had a pretty, pretty cold nose in the black and tan. I've seen him, I've seen him blow ice out of a track. You know, I mean, he just I mean, he's a pretty cold nose dog, you know. Uh an old friend of mine lived in Alabama, Henderson Johnson, he he said, I don't want one that'll smell him uh 12 hours old. I want him to smell him yesterday. You know, so you know, so that's kind of the way them dogs was. But, you know, we had some good car dogs. So we had, and you know, and then uh further on we went, we and here in the last probably I don't know, 10 years, everybody's had way better dogs than what I had. I don't I don't hunt there as much as I used to. I still go wherever every time this wine turns a dog loose, I'll show enough go, but you know, because I love to go. And uh I'll fool around. Um I had back surgery here about four years ago, and uh I had to give them my boys credit if they kept coming and get me. They'd get me up in the truck. They'd have to have me around, but you know, they're gummy. I couldn't have it, I had to go. You know, I thought I did anyway. Yes, sir. You know, but uh anyway, they uh it's just uh uh we you know back where I come from, they uh over nearly into Louisiana, and which I ain't too far from it now, I'm about 23 miles from it now, but you know, we uh we hunted up and down that Sabine River for years. And I never could swim. You know, I never could swim, and that was one of the biggest deals with everybody. You know, uh we we hunt that old big lease up there, and people always tell us he can't swim. So if you get around water, you know, uh kind of watching because he'll dad gun. And I did a lot of times I I I walked off in water and and a creek would be really, really deep, but it wouldn't be very wide, you know, and and and somebody I used to dip snuff, I ain't dipping smoke in 40 years, but they'd always make sure that my cigarettes and my snuff come up first. Because they know they didn't want to butt you, and you know, when you got on the other side and and I didn't have no snuffs, you know. But but we just uh it's it's been a you know, it's a it's you know, hog hunting has been just a it was there for a long time. It wasn't it everybody used to ask me, you know, why I took it so serious, and I used to do a little screaming and hollering at them boys and 95% uh of these hands around there that still hunt, you know, they they started with me, you know, and and there's a lot of them um uh oh um Craig Oswald and and Eric Perry and Kyle Bush, they was lots of them boys that started out with me, you know, and and they did live matter of fact, uh my preacher uh friend of mine just came here a while back, we went and caught one, and uh he used to preach I I had to go to the mercy room the other day. Uh I my uh well potassium had got low, and uh the lady that was nursing me in there uh her she went to Brother Chris's church, and uh and uh anyway she was talking and and she said I know you. She said, Brother Chris used to preach preach on Sunday morning about you. You know, but he he first set of hobbles he ever seen. He uh he was well a good hog too, it was a bore and I was holding him, and I was ready to get a little relief. And I throwed him the hobbles, and he was trying to stick them two metal D rings back through each other, and of course they gave him pretty good butt you and about that. Anyway, we got some hog tied up, and that was on Saturday, and that Sunday morning he pulled a set of hobbles out of his jacket pocket and said, I know you folks don't know what these are, but these are hobbles. You hobble a hole with them, and he said, and you know, these hobbles, I made it so hard for something simple, and that's the way we do it in church.

unknown 22:15

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 22:16

A lot of people, a lot of you folks make everything so hard, and it could be so simple. But anyway, he he hunted with me for several years, you know, and there was a guy come out of Whiskers and then hunted with us one time in in uh one night of Idaho, and they they was out here and they told the wives, they called the wives, said, Oh, don't worry about us. We're in good hands. This man even brought the preacher with him. So, you know, we we all everybody had a big time. We all Enjoyed hunting and and uh and everything around him.

SPEAKER_03 22:56

So what year did you would you say you started hunting and and how how did you really get into it?

SPEAKER_02 23:03

74. I went I was in 74, 73, 74, and in there, I was working at the feast or like I said, and uh there was a man up it up in Panola County, his name was Daddy Harvey Briggs. And uh I uh I told they had all dogs and and his grandsons, which was the Coleman boys and uh Bubba Coleman, Mike Coleman, and all that bunch, they had told me that if I and I need me a dog. I had two dogs come out of South Texas as half bulldog and half curg, two good-looking dogs. I mean, they were just young, and uh me and my father-in-law went down in uh down Toyot River and was just walking the dogs through the woods, and they jumped a hog and and and caught it. They didn't bait it, they caught it. There's a little boy weigh 150 pounds, but he was on the other side of the river. And anyway, we we caught that hog, and from then on, Daddy Harvey Briggs, I I uh I went by his house. I was putting out fertilizer pair, and I went by Daddy Harvey's and uh he he told me I I he was telling me about how they trained their bulldogs and this, that, and the other. And and I was telling him, I said, hey Harvey, I said, I really need me. Something that'll go find a hog or something. You know, he said, Well, Jimmy, I'll tell you, he said, these boys ain't gonna sell you none of their dogs, but they'll come and go with you. And I said, Well, I'd I'd like that, you know, and and uh I said, but I'd like to know what you was talking about your bulldogs, how y'all do your bulldogs. How in the world do you get them dog and bulldogs to mind like y'all do? He said, Well, he said, I tell you what, Jim, he said, when them bulldogs are born, their brain is stuck to the top of their head. He said, until you get that knocked loose, kind of in the middle there, he said, they'll never, they'll never be any camp. Yeah. You know, he he, you know, they believed in spanking one pretty rough, you know. And I've seen them get off a horse and and and whoop a dog with a larric rope, a bulldog, you know, and uh and they'd whoop him so hard that when that horse took back off again, horse couldn't stand up for a bulldog being up on that horse. He wouldn't finish up on him no more. You know, we was down in uh in a place over here hunting one time, and Daddy Harvey came with him. He didn't get to where he wasn't hardly hunting in. But I mean, it was a big thing up there up down that Sabine River when they were hunting up there, Bubba and Mike and Daddy Harvey and uh Tommy Jean, Coleman, and all them was up there that you know Daddy Harvey uh he uh I guess was kind of I guess you could say the head rooster up there because he was all that he he took everybody, he made sausage every year, and he took everybody, all them deer hunters up down to them camps. He took them sausage every year. And but Daddy Harvey, when he finally got started coming down here with them, them boys would show up with 25 dolls and 15 horses, you know, and and that's the way we hunted, of course. I mean, I had musing horses anyway, but uh they uh we hunted down there on the close to the toyac up and down the toyac and on the Sabine, but most of their hunt we hunted not too far from here, and there was lots of those, they were Russian type hogs, you know, and uh the first time that they came and and we caught hogs, we I caught two south who stopped over here at my Danny Law's, and he came out there and he looked at them. He said, Boys, I tell y'all what, he said, if y'all worm them hogs good and get that old long hair off of them, he said, them there makes them good eating hogs. Of course, he didn't know that that's the way them come here. They come me over here. And uh anyway, uh and yeah, you know, we didn't have uh no shocking collars or nothing back then. You if a dog run a deer, you had to you had to spank him pretty good, you know. And we we was down there one day and and uh old Boots, he was a black and tan colored dog with about a three-quarter tail, and uh we got back up to the where Daddy Harvey, he made him a paddle out in front of the truck with a shotgun sitting there, and he was gonna he was gonna shoot him one when he came by, and he did, not that day, but several days later. And uh anyway, he came back up there and Mike, I think it was, said Daddy Harvey said, uh, said old Moose run a said, he ran a deer. He said, Well, did you whoop him? He said, Oh yes, I said I whooped him, said, put him back in there and said, he went on. He said, Oh, he he kept a going? Uh back on hog? Yeah. He said, Well, son, you didn't whoop him hard enough.

SPEAKER_03 29:05

Whoop him hard enough, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 29:06

You should have drug him on back to the truck and let me add a hope to it. But anyway, uh, you know, back then you just didn't have all this high-fake uh, you know, equipment you got nowadays. You know, but they got these tracking systems and stuff like that. And so, you know, I I was hunting many years and finally got me one of them beep beeps. A friend that hunted on his place over here at Arcadia, Mr. Bill Reed. He told me one day, he said, we pulled up and we was hunting, or we was looking for dogs. Anyway, he said, What are y'all doing? I said, I'm trying to find my dog, Bill. He said, Man, y'all spend more time looking for y'all's dogs than y'all do anything else. I said, I don't know. He said, Ain't they got some way, something that y'all can uh you know, uh track a dog with find him? I said, Yes, they do. I said, but man, they high. He said, How high are you talking about? I said, Well, I don't know. I said, but uh more money than what I got and what more than what I make. Well anyway, he told me. He said, Find out how much uh one of them tracking systems are one of them beat beats. I checked it. It was eleven hundred dollars for the system and three collars. And I I called him, of course, we didn't have a cell phone back then either. I called him on the landline, and he told me to come over there. I called and told him how much it was. He said, Well, the first chase you get, come by over there, and he wrote me a check for$1,100. It was a wildlife materials unit, and uh uh we got that tracking system, and of course now them beat beat, they were good, but man, they were tough in them hills and hollers that we had over there.

SPEAKER_01 31:16

Oh yeah.

SPEAKER_02 31:17

And you know, you'd be tracking one for a mile through there and finally get over there and get on a hill and you're just going the wrong way. Yeah, you know. I've been there. And it just and you know, for a long time after they got these newer collars that were your screen and everything, I wore I run mine with a beep beep and a screen collar. You know, I was just so afraid. I said, man, ain't no way them things can work. You know, because I'd look on there and it'd be a dog on there, and I, you know, it that was really some uptown stuff for me, you know. It aggravated me. Uh, but you know, we found lots of hogs and lots of dogs within big beef collars. You know, and and I'm sure everybody else did too, you know, but but you know, it it just was I had some matter of fact, in recent years, I had one of my best dogs that I hunted. He was a silent dog, and he very seldom ever barked when he got there. He would try to eat a hog when he got there, and if he is by himself, he'd back up. He's sitting there looking at him. If you didn't have one of those show enough, I mean, I knew how to run a tracking system, that's the only way you could find him. And uh, but they uh the the tracking systems have changed, your boogies have changed. I ain't rode a horse, you know, hunting, and I don't know, it's been several years. Now, I I take it back now, you know, real here close. That everybody I told somebody the other day they wanted to go hunting, and they said, Oh man, we can go I can go anywhere in this Toyota pickup that you can on that Kubota. I said, Yeah, you're probably right. I said, but you can't get in the places. Oh yeah, I can get in them. I can get in the same way you can. I said, No, you can't. I said, you get in them in that pickup, and somebody's gonna come get you. You know, because they don't know, they don't know that pickup. They know this orange, this orange, bright orange toy uh kabunda. Yes, you know, and you know, it it's you know, I ain't got near the leg under me I used to have, so you know, I like to try to get as close as I can now, you know. But I have now, I ain't gonna lie, I have won. Uh there was a boy talking the other day, said telling me we got a place we call Hollow Rock over here. We want 900 and something yards, and him helping me along because I wasn't gonna let him go by himself, and actually he didn't want to go by himself. And uh we got in there and Lord have mercy. We looked, I said, they bait, I kept telling him, I said, they bait in the creek. He said, Are they? I said, Yeah, they're baiting the creek. And I said, they up on that bank over yonder. And and I said, get over where we can see, and I said, shoot that thumb gun, you know. And uh guys are looking, it was a plot dog and a yellow dog, and both of them were his, thank the Lord. And both of them were standing on a street. Nine hundred and something yards. And we done walked in there too. My goodness. You know, the boy, Lizard, he's been hunting with him since he was about 14. I think he's 52 now, and part that part of me hasn't rubbed off on him yet. I know what you mean. You know, but we come up out of there and and it's just it's heels and hollers, straight up, straight down, and I'd have to crawl up some of them, and we finally got back to the truck. Right before we got to the truck, we was going up a bank, and and boy, I felt something stain me, and he was trying to push me up the bank, and he was holding on to my belt, trying to push me up. And uh anyway, I figured out what it was, and I told him to get the hell back. I said, get back. I said, hell is that gum yellow jacket? And I went, he said, you know what, that old man can move a whole lot faster when them yellow jackets happen. I fell in some water one day, and this is no joke. It when I it was right after I got to where I would leave the truck and go back, you know, to trying to get to a bank. I love to watch a dog, you know, and uh I fell in a hole of water, I bet you three times before I would finally got my feet under me. You know, it wouldn't be six inches deep like a ground, you know.

SPEAKER_03 36:55

I know it ain't funny, but I can just I can I can only imagine.

SPEAKER_02 36:59

Yeah, boy, they used to stick at me because I have fell off of some logs before and be hanging on the lawn, it wouldn't be waist deep, you know, but I didn't know that. You know. I showed up didn't know it. But I I always tell them my mama always they said, why didn't you learn how to swim? My mama told me, until you learn how to swim, don't get around no water. So I just I never learned how to swim.

SPEAKER_03 37:25

Just didn't get around no water. My my brother-in-law, he can't swim. And he he's been in we've been in some pickles before, ain't no doubt. I I swim pretty decent, but uh he's he's never like you said though, he ain't scared to get out there and wade around or something if he knows he he can touch bottom or whatever.

SPEAKER_02 37:45

But uh Well here in the last year and a half, probably since I I still I mean I you know, my the biggest thing now is when I get back, they have to give a report to my wife how many times I failed, you know, and and it it she's got to where she'll meet them out here and say, Well, how many times did he follow today? Well, the other day we went into a there was a hay metal and uh they'd been rooting up as far as hay metal and and we turned some dogs loose and and uh and they didn't go a hundred yards and bathed right outside the hay meadow. And uh uh it was three of us and one boy went ahead of us, went on into the dogs, and I think he had no, the other boy behind me had the gun. What I wasn't planning on doing nothing that day but riding, you know, in the pickup. It was cold, and I had a pair of slip-on shoes, and why I got out of the truck, I do not have a clue. But anyway, I started down in there to where the hogs were dogs were bathed, and my foot and this this buddy of mine that is hoodie with me so long, he has got a real weak stomach. He cannot stand nothing. I mean, he can't, if he hits accidentally hits a good old hog or a deer or anything, so it's over him, he's going to be skinny. But uh, or getting it. But anyway, I started in there to it, and my I tripped and I failed. And when I failed, my shoe came off over my heel. When it did, my shoe turned sideways like flat with the ground, and my knee was pointing to the side of the shoe. When he got there to me, he said, Oh my god, you broke your leg. I said, get your ass on down in there. I said, Man, you broke your leg, man. You brought I said, No, I ain't broke my leg. I said, get on down in there. But anyway, they won't let me wear the shoes no more. You know, I have to wear boots, so no but you know, but I know you asked me about how but Danny Harvard Big and the Coma boys is is where I started, and and then I guess Ryle Taylor and Brett Taylor and them boys, they were just boys in school, and we uh you know I I I probably had to meet. You know, I'm sure they I've seen some of these guys, you know, it's got some real catch dog, but I hadn't seen a real good catch dog in a long time. You know, uh you know uh it it's around here it's hard to have a good catch dog. I mean, you've got a you gotta catch lots of hogs, and he's gotta be pretty game, you know. And now I've invest on him so much. You know, I had a I had a speaking of best, uh, we went down, I we used to go all over the country and hunt. I've been in Mississippi, Georgia, Florida, uh uh South Texas, West Texas, uh everywhere uh hunting and uh uh Oklahoma, but I had a I bought a long year, many years ago, back in the 80s. I bought a bulldog. He was black, white, spotted, and he called him Spot. I bought him out from uh from uh uh man over in Louisiana, Mr. Kenny Rees. He's a ag teacher over there, and I was good friends with him and I bought give him 50. No, no, no. I I I was that's what I told my wife I'd give$50 for him, but I'll give a hundred. And anyway, um I had a guy of vest. One of them back then they had y'all ever remember seeing them old felted looking vests.

SPEAKER_03 42:05

I I've got one. I I've got a green one. And it had the straps all the way across it. You just tucked it over and kept pulling until it fit.

SPEAKER_02 42:13

Yeah, and then I had they had wings on mine, you know, to go back to their flank. Mm-hmm. And they used to pick at me because of them uh them flaps. They say it looked like an airplane, but back then Ospot never got cut, you know, and these other well, I've got pictures of dogs up, bulldogs up on the back of their cyberside, I mean on the back, it wasn't side-based back then, on the uh four-wheeler or on their pickup, and and they'd be picking at me about my, you know, about my dog with the wings, and and old old spot, he wouldn't have a cut on him, we'd be sewing old dogs, you know. Oh, yeah. And but old Spot, and and this is Mr. Kenny Reeves is a very being an ag teacher, I guess, and being Mr. Kenny, he was a serious person. He he you know, he wasn't nothing funny to him. Me and two friends of mine, Mr. Gary Payne and another guy down here in the lower country, went to South Texas hunting. And uh guys had called and they wanted us to come down and hunt with them. They were some, they were older than us. But anyway, we've caught some homes and and uh we got down there and I was I don't remember what I was doing, but I wasn't there at the truck when it was loading the dogs, and and when I got over they said, hey Jimbo said, uh, these guys said we can't catch these hogs down here in South Texas with old Spot. I said, really? Yeah. They said that they'd uh they kill old Spot and eat that vest. I said, really? So I said, they must have some bad ones. But anyway, we weren't right there long. I got back home, Keny called. Mr. Kenney called, and he said, well, he said, uh, Jim, uh no. He said, uh, how did uh how did y'all's hunt go? I said, well, it went all right, Mr. Keney. I said, I said, but you know what? I said, them guys told us that we couldn't catch them hoes down there with old spot. Really? I said, yeah. So he said they told us that them hoes down there would kill old spot and eat that vest. He said, well, you know what? No, I tell you what. Now you know, they might kill old spot, but I just don't think they can eat that vest. You know, I mean he was serious about everything. That was one of the biggest things there, and they thought, you know, and and that vest, I wished I'd have kept that vest. Uh I don't even remember what I'd done with it. And I may still have it in some of that jolt down there, but uh it's it's it's a lot of stuff. You know, back then, I mean, I and I did. I I mean Old Spot was, I mean, we rode me back when I had Old Spot. And and Old Spot would, you know, once you caught the hog, you could slap him back, he'd get out of the way, you'd drag a hog out, he'd follow along by beside you, you know, till you got to the truck, you know. And, you know, he was just a real-mannered dog. And that I didn't do it. I mean, he was that way when I got him. And uh, and then I've had some more that uh a one more for sure, that I had some boys come from the other side of Houston down there, down there in the rice patties down there and and wanted to breed uh a dog I call Scooby, but he he got he got his education on electricity. And uh he he was pretty sharp. One time that was it. You could speak his name, it he would not do nothing until you put him on him, you know. And I mean he was just, but like I said though, you know, I'm sure these guys got lots of. I I'm just not I ain't never been a person, I can't, I've never been able to just let a dog, a bulldog, spin a catch dog, I'll put it that way. Because I've had some catch dogs that weren't bulldog bred that was good as any bulldog ever. Well, I had a shaggy dog, we call him Shag Nasty. And uh he came out of Waco, and uh uh I was working in and and uh I know I'm just hitting here and the other, but no, no, this is exactly what we want.

SPEAKER_03 47:01

This is what everybody wants to hear.

SPEAKER_02 47:03

I get to think stuff, and you know, I'm I'm getting I don't know how old I am. I think I I'm either 72 or 3, I don't know. But uh, you know, it'll come back to me every now and then. But this dog, and anybody around here remembers everybody around here that's a hog hunter remembers Shane Nasty. Uh my sister-in-law, my brother-in-law was uh, he moved houses, and they lived in Maha, Texas. And my sister-in-law was a dog person, she loved dogs. She called me one day and she said uh uh no. Alan Everett. No, not Alan Everett. I can't remember the man's name of the guy that wanted to breed those Scoobies. He called me. He was down there on a school job or something. He was a school teacher. He told me, he said, uh, call me and he said, Man, I found you a half bulldog and half fur dog down here. I said, Well, Jim, Jim, Jim, Jim, what Jim and anyway, he uh called me and I said, Man, I can't come down here and get a little dog. He said, Well, I'm in a rent car and I can't load him in his rent car. And I said, You want him? I said, Yeah, I want him. I said, but I said, let me make some phone calls so I'll call my sister-in-law. And she said, asked me where they were, where he was, and I told him, told him where it was. And Brooke said, my brother-in-law said, I'll go get him and bring him here. So I said, Jeremy, a boy mine, I said, Will you go to my hand and pick up a catch dog for me? I mean a dog. And he said, Yeah. So anyway, he left. He got back at the next morning about 2 o'clock, and this dog had no less than 20 foot of long chain on him, and he was a shaggy brill dog with a long muzzle. I mean, he looked like a German shepherd, heeler, I don't know, had a flag in his tail, and I was sick. So if I done spent all that gas money, and uh told him I'd give him$50 and he'd go there and get him for me. He dries up, and I had a hog crate, a big steel hog crate with plywood on the inside walls to uh keep the hogs from breaking their teeth off. Because I had had a little market uh over in Louisiana from a man that would buy the big hog with good teeth for a hog man he'd have over. So I didn't want to break your teeth off. So anyway, when Jeremy drove up, he was mad. He said, Man, he had said I had wreaked, he had skent all the paint off of your truck with his chain. And he said, he had drug it up downside the truck, tried to catch every car, every truck that went by. And I and I said, Well, just stick him in that hole crate. And I said, Well, euthanize him in the morning for better words. And and he said, Okay, so next morning we got up, and he said, uh, I got him up, I said, he said, What are you gonna do? And I said, we're gonna take him to the boneyard, send him Jordan, and uh, and that's what we used to call it, send him to Jordan. And we got him and started with him, and I said, hold on just a minute. I said, we had a we had a hog out here, a black hog, we called him Leroy Bray. And he he weighed about 160, 150 pounds, which that was the baddest little hog. He that hog wound up going to Mississippi. They used him in vans. They had bait, they bait him as high as 22 single dogs. Wow. Twenty-two single dogs.

SPEAKER_03 51:17

He was probably over in Corinth, Mississippi, wasn't it? Reggie Little.

SPEAKER_02 51:21

Reggie Little, yeah, yeah, yeah.

unknown 51:25

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 51:26

I know exactly I know exactly who you're talking about.

SPEAKER_02 51:30

And uh there was some uh another group of folk, I can't remember it was a boy and a girl, him and his wife. And Mississippi's I can't remember town they lived in, but anyway, we went, um, we got the dog, and I told Jeremy, I said, hold on just a minute. I said, we'll see. We'll if nothing else, I said, we'll let this hog kill him, you know. Nothing else. So we took him out there to the round pen. We opened the gates and we turned Leroy Brown in and had a snubbing post. It was, it was hog, it was a bay pen, horsebaking pen too, you know. And uh, well, we brought uh we took old Shagnasty in there and I turned him a loser and he seen uh old Leroy Brown, he ran over to him, he just kind of eased up to him and smelt of it. When he did, Leroy overhauled that little dog, and when he quit, uh Shagnasty had him caught for the year. And I don't know why Leroy was cutting him too. Anyway, we get him off, get the hog, back him up, turned him loose again, he hit him, sound like a freight train when he hit him. Never miss. And he never missed. I seen him get cut off a hog one time, but as far as missing a hog, he never missed a hog in a bad ticket, a running hog. His favorite was a running hog. You know, it's one broke going across across the uh a long road or something, you could turn on shag nest shit loose. And you better feel to him because he finish the kitchen pretty quick, you know. And uh, but you know, we caught lots of hogs with it. You know, he learned how to ride on the on the hog crate running as fast as a we had a matter of fact, we we pulled a hog crate on a hog trailer, I mean for that crate, for years and years with a 250 Yamaha Timberwolf, two-wheel drive. And we caught lots of holes and loaded that crate up a many, many a time with some good boys, you know, and uh it it was just you know, we had we had holes were well, as a budget man told me a long time ago, uh he said we was doing pretty good because they got all this old Russian mess in there. You know, messed it up. Messed it all up. We started off in Panola County up there on at least with 10 sows and a black mole. And uh and and when we finally got to go hunting up there, uh Mr. Duck Payne was at the feast room on Saturday morning. He was eating peanuts, it was cold weather. He we got to talk about hogs hunting, and he said, Well, I got a lot of dogs over on my place. And I said, Really? He said, Yeah. Y'all need to come up there and go. I said, I want to tell you some or don't ask me to, don't want me to come if you don't want me to come. So I didn't know. And uh, so that next Saturday, me, well, his son, he was still in school and he was 18. I think yeah, he's probably 56, 7 now. But uh used to pull in there, we'd pull up on them big pipelines going to the Saline River, and you would just drive by those pite lines and count the roots of hogs. It was 10 years. It was 10 years of hogs over them 10,000. Oh Lord. Yeah, that was stacked in there then, wasn't it? I mean, it was just it was uh had 450 black cows in different places on that eight eight thousand and then uh that nine, ten thousand that they could raise on, you know, but most of them would, but you know, all of them were wood cattle, but uh yeah, they was we uh caught the first Russian hog type hog that wasn't a kind of a you know, just an old black riddle type hog on an oil location up there backed up against uh one of them tanks they had up there, and I mean it then got so bad that you could we we catch 35 40 in a day.

SPEAKER_01 56:34

Oh, dang.

SPEAKER_02 56:35

And that's all you wanted. You know, you and then we'd we'd load every one of them in a trailer, and when we got through, we'd pick out the big boars. Dan knew, he knew, you know, they had a little more money than what I had, and uh and knew what I was coming for. And we keep all the big boars, we turn all the sow, and where the younger boars, we got to where we'd we'd cut them and turn them back loose. We would you know, we'd cut all the bowlers and and you know, we keep the bars, and we had some bars up there that we had marked and stuff that we knew they were 15 years old. Yes, sir.

SPEAKER_03 57:21

You know, and uh I I don't think a lot of people realize how old a hog can can really can really live, Mr. Jimmy. What what you what do you think the oldest one that you could recollect? What do you think the oldest one you've seen?

SPEAKER_02 57:39

He was probably gonna be up there at that place to really know because we marked him at 20 years old. 20 years old, 20 years old.

SPEAKER_03 57:49

I I I believe you 100%. Uh there's some young men down here, they started thermal hunting, and and we haven't been able to to bar a hog in many, many years, uh probably what 10 plus years now.

SPEAKER_01 58:02

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 58:03

Or longer. Probably around 2010, I guess. I don't know. Uh however long, however long that is. Okay, 13, okay.

SPEAKER_04 58:11

It was like 2012, 2013 when they passed it.

SPEAKER_03 58:14

And these these boys, they were they they shot a couple of them last year and they had my mark on them. And that was that was the last one I'd done. So they they 13, they was already pretty good size then, so I figured, you know, a couple years old when we done it. And uh so you know they're they're between 12 and 15 years old now.

SPEAKER_02 58:35

Well, you know, it's just and you know, up there they were protected, I guess you could kind of say. Yes, sir. You know, um, because there was corn out all the time. Uh they fed cattle in the winter and them old cow. I mean, it wasn't another to drive up on on a on a set of traws that it'd gonna be more hogs in than would be cows. Wow, you know, and uh uh they mix all their grain uh you know for the cow, cottonseed hose, and meal and and corn, you know, and and cottonseed to put it on. Yep, yep. You know, we but it was it is we never and you know you always look back and you wonder, you know, man, I wish I'd have kept up with how many hog we cut, you know. Yes, sir. And loose and marked, and they was it was just so many. We had a I had a hog here that I raised that uh he came off a Lake Ponza train. I had two of them, and and I raised them, and they got to be four and five year olds, and they had wool on like sheep up on their neck and stuff. And we took one of those hogs, we didn't tell nobody, and we snug up there, and we turned one loose. Yes, sir. And uh, and uh Mr. Duck Payne, the man owned it, yeah, the his son's name was Gary. Well, he would, he told us two or three times, he said, Man, they're an old big hog. I'm talking about this hulk wait till we own it. And I and that's not exaggerating, that's a real weight. You know, uh lots of people kind of get their weights mixed up now. Oh, yeah. And they do take them too, you know, but they really do. They kind of always I I'll underguess one before I'll over guess him. Yes you know, uh, you know, I we was we caught a a a bar home and this right here at the house. He didn't have narrow ear, but he was about two miles, three miles from here. He was a bar, and I can't remember exactly, but he weighed 453 pounds, I think. I know he weighed over four and it was 450 something, but they weighed him on a set of scales hanging up on a John Deere track. Yes. And uh he was just a big bar hog. And you know, uh it and it's really hard now. I mean, now in some of these places where they got lots of grain and stuff, you know, in Alabama down there, they used to have some big hogs down around Dosin, Alabama.

SPEAKER_03 1:01:30

Oh, yeah, that's a few hours, a couple hours from us. We live in North Alabama, okay.

SPEAKER_02 1:01:36

And they, you know, them peanut farmers. Yes, Lord. There, you know, them peanuts put it on them. And uh, you know, I'm I can remember a friend of mine, his name was Henderson Johnson, D.R. He he called me, and he had a hog hanging up, and there was a step ladder there beside him, and he had a set of scales there, and he told me that hog weighed 750 pounds. And I said, I said, here's I said he said something was said about the the hog, or man, I want a picture of that hog, or something. I told him, I don't care, the hog, I want to see the scale. Yeah, I want y'all bring me the scale, let me look at them. But the hog, the thing what it was, is the hog was the hog was uh a blonde color. So he had a lot of he had some domestic hog in him. He was a Yorkshire bred bloodied hog. Yeah, he th he was a good blooded type hog, but you know, his old ears drooped down over his probably had some land race in him as long as he would, you know. Yes, sir. Uh I think he was like eight foot from the from the tip of his nose to the his feet hanging on the ground, you know. So but but them boys down there, uh Henderson, he passed away, I guess, been about five years ago, now four years ago. And uh he that's he was from Dove. He come, well, you know, he came down here and hunted with me one time years ago, and most of the time we'd meet over in Louisiana, Kelly, Louisiana, and Mr. Oral Roberts. We I hunted with. I met Mr. Orlett. I don't know if y'all remember, do y'all ever remember an association called a Wild Boar Conservation Association?

SPEAKER_03 1:03:34

I would that I didn't know a whole lot about it, but I'd heard I've heard of it. And like I said, that this is I've been running Hog Dog uh about 20, a little over 20, around 20 years or so now. Yeah. But I I've I've heard tell of it through several different people over the years. I like I said, for the first, I don't know, six or eight years, I I didn't know anything other than what was happening right here at the house, you know. Because you know, back then we really didn't, most guys that was hog hunting, we didn't put it out there to, you know, like we do now. Now it's well, now we got podcasting, you know, social media and TV and internet and all this stuff. You know, you say we kind of kept our shit quiet, you know. Oh my god. And yeah, I mean, I know y'all did too, because we were doing stuff that you know it it was a way of life for us, and some people just didn't understand it, which that's still like that today. But no, uh go ahead with that about the that association. I'd like to hear some more about that.

SPEAKER_02 1:04:36

Well, we had uh Mr. Dennis Good lived in down around Show Matt down in there in New Orleans. He uh owned uh Blue Street Drilling Company. Uh Pat Myers, he lived it uh down around uh Shaomet down there too. And uh anyway, I think I don't know if Mr. Dennis got it started, and and he had a boy named Denny Good, and they would, you know, they had an airboat and a helicopter. And uh they uh I got to go with them one time. They wanted me to go, and I I I cut the airboat, I got the helicopter. I did like in water moccasins and alligators and stuff all down there, you know, running up. I didn't care about that. But you know, they they would have meetings, you know. Uh I guess the first one they had was in uh um well, uh maybe the first one was in Jackson, Mississippi.

SPEAKER_03 1:05:38

Okay.

SPEAKER_02 1:05:39

And the next one they had the next year was in New Orleans down there, and they had it in the parking lot of the Ramada Inn. And they set, well, they didn't they just had a meeting. They never had how to bay it. And they were some boys coming out of North Carolina uh star, might have been South, one of the Carolinas, star, South Carolina, North Carolina, they come in here and they had a bunch of hogs. Uh, I say a bunch, they had four or five on trailer, and they got to talking, and uh Mr. Orville told me, he is over Kelly and he was going, and he told me you need to try to come, you need to try to come. Anyway, so me and Jeremy, he was about, I don't know, six, seven, eight years old, maybe. Anyway, we loaded our stuff up. We never had been away from Hubertex, you know, and we were, we didn't know, we didn't even know how to get the new Orlando, you know, but we were gonna try to make it, you know. And of course, this was after I-49, uh, I think I can't even remember if we did 49. No, we didn't. You know, we took every little old nook and cranny down through there and went down through there and got there. It took us several hours to do it. But uh they got to tell them we'll have a bed. Well, they got somebody to donate on. Some uh pallets down there in in in New Orleans. Down there, where we were at. I don't even remember the date where we were at. But anyway, and and they sent us some pallets, and that was the first bayon that the Wild Boar Conservation Association Bunch ever had a bayon. And then, you know, they had one in Lake Eufaula, Alabama. Mm-hmm. Had one there, and and we'd go to Lake Eufala to the bay and the meeting, and then we would leave there and go on to Florida, down to uh uh Taloji, Florida, uh in that Absacola National Forest down there and bear hunt. And we'd go down there and I I I couldn't help it. I love I I I like running anything with a dog, you know. But uh I I take a couple dogs and I had some dogs that run a bear, you know.

SPEAKER_03 1:08:15

Uh what what breed of dogs were you running at the time?

SPEAKER_02 1:08:19

I had a blue cheek dog, and I had a uh the friend that was with me kept calling him calling her an English dog. And matter of fact, what happened was they the dogs were run, their dogs were running. These other folks, they were, I don't know, 15, 20 dogs in the pack, and they would holler on them radios and you'd pull up so far, you know, and then somebody else would pull up, and then somebody else would pull up. Well, anyway, they'd been running this bear for, I don't know, a good while. And anyway, uh they was sounded like the dogs were coming straight to us. Well, our dogs were still in the cook. And uh anyway, uh a guy on the radio hollered and told us to pull up. When we pulled up, well, we heard him shoot. Well the bear came out in the in the ditch and he mentioned him. But anyway, we my buddy of mine told me he said, hurry up, back up, back up, we got back around there, and we we uh back to the parent and we turned that red dick gym and we turned uh that uh blue dog loose. Uh when when they called the blue dog. I had a red dick gym and that blue dog and they called him a ink dog, that's what it was.

SPEAKER_00 1:09:46

Okay.

SPEAKER_02 1:09:47

But anyway, they what happened was when they got there, that shield was hot, and them dogs like probably oh, I don't know, 200 yards getting to the road where the bear turned around at. So when we poured our dogs out, our two dogs, they were hot on a bear. So when they got back in there, of course, both of them were pretty fast. Well, our two dogs treed and treed the bear first. Well, some people come off another road in there and kill the bear. Well, as we were coming out, everybody was talking about their dog and this, that, and the other. And we was having drag the bear out and stuff. I was dragging the bear. So the bear was in about, I don't know, eight or ten inches of water, and he was floating pretty good, so it was easy to dragging. And it that year they had brought biologists in to uh we're gonna get all on the bearing.

SPEAKER_00 1:10:44

Oh, I'm fine with that.

SPEAKER_02 1:10:46

To check the you know, the size of the bears and and measure the head, and and they had to weigh two uh hundred, I don't remember how much, two hundred pounds, maybe. That was a big bear, but down there. But anyway, we got out and everybody was taking pictures of their dolls and stuff, and and the guy that shot the bear said, man, he said, y'all get them dog our way. He said, Oh, I want I want a picture of that red uh that uh that English dog and kept on about the English dog all the way out. And that boy, that boy that was with me, come up beside me. He said, Man, they're talking about old blue. I just want hell he's a bootick. He said, He's an English dog. I said, okay, whatever he is. Anyway, they want to take a picture on him and the red-tick jib that trade the trade the bear. Well, we we hunted down there after that. That was our first trip. And then Mr. Ole, I guess where we'd pick Mr. Oil up, and we'd go and we'd go back. Then I think we went three years, and then that's when they shut the bear deal down, you know. But they had a place down there they call Tate's Hail. And uh that's in in the Al Chicola National Forest, the roads were ten mile blocks, and in Tays Hail, they were one mile block. What they would do is if if you got in Tays Hale, they you you couldn't run bear, it wasn't supposed to run, you had to catch the dog. You had to catch the dog. So if if you was running a bear and they started crossing or something, you'd catch a dog. Well, that's what they told me. We gotta catch the dogs. Well, we didn't even have a dog in the hunt this time. And they had 32 dogs running this bear. And when he crossed, I started catching dogs, putting them in the cool. Well, then I put them in and then turn them out. They'd put them in and then turn them out. I said, what the hell are y'all gonna do? They said, we go uh got on the radio, we gotta catch the dogs, catch you, you know, because that was for somebody else's benefit, not ours. But anyway, Harrison Johnson pulled up there, and uh, and he had a he had an Airedale dog, his name was Hacksaw. And and he got up there and he told me he said, come on go with me. So we jumped in. His he had one of them little old uh I don't know, a zoo zoo, whatever you call them, four-wheel drive thing. We pulled out. Anyway, he had some, he had some, he had a dog, a plot dog. His name was called, he was Alabama Hammer, was his name. Oh, yeah. And and uh anyway, uh it had one called Dallas, and I forget what all, but anyway, had Sunshine. They were they were some pretty stout plot dogs. And uh, and matter of fact, most of them dogs down there were plot dogs. There was a book, some book, but trend walkers and stuff. But anyway, me and his and started darting dodging down them one mile blocks trying to cut, cut that bear off, and we finally got old bear and the bear cross right in front of us. He opened the door, hacksaw fell out. He went out there about 100 yards, hacksaws sat out on him, he made that back to the tree. You know, uh one mile blocks made a whole lot of difference in ten mile blocks. Oh yeah. But it was uh we all done some down there, you know. We you know, we go at night. Yes, I mean I didn't care nobody going at night, but some of them boys wanted to hunt at night. I'd take my dogs, I said, y'all catch them, you know, I'll go with y'all well, you know, and we caught, you know, it was some mobs down there. But uh, but and of course, you know, it up down there in that Alcatona forest in the park we was in, it was by like East Texas, you know, it's pine trees and stuff, you know.

SPEAKER_03 1:15:03

But uh those bear down there, we we went this past year to South Georgia. I mean, it's literally you gotta be careful because you'll you'll be over in Florida, you know what I mean? It's that close. And and we we went with some guys and they were running bear dogs. And they they had some pretty big bear for you know, for what I've seen. Three 300 to 500 pounds. Uh oh yeah, like uh I think we were there the last the last couple of days of the season. And the first day we were there, one of the boys killed a 334, and then the weekend before that was a 516, I want to say. And there was there were several in between that size. Uh I was really surprised at how big them bear was, you know, myself.

SPEAKER_02 1:15:50

Um you know, I and I'm not I I'm gonna say 150, 180 pounds with a big bear down there. Yeah. But them boys killed because I remember one, Mr. General Gregg owned the Ford place up here at Carthage. He'd bring me a couple of dogs every now and then, and I'd hunt them for him and stuff. And and he would one of those trips he wanted to go. And uh it's a pretty good story here. He basically he was uh uh uh m Mr. Orwell, Mr. Orwell used to always tell me that don't never let the truth stand in the way of a good story. Uh yeah. But this is a true story. But uh there was uh uh we went down there and and we when we pulled up and and it was cool weather, but it wasn't cold weather. And uh it wasn't no ice on the ground or snowing or it wasn't 35 degrees by no means, but we pulled up, it looked like three men or three bodies hanging up in trees. And it was bare, you know. They'd skin them, took their head off, and had them hanging up in trees, you know, and uh so uh we spent a day or two there with them. We hunted with them. Gerald he enjoyed it, and and and he was uh he's real finicky about what he ate, what he drank, you know, all that kind of stuff. And and and uh we was hunting one day, and one of the days, the last day we were there, we planned on staying longer, and uh Gerald never wouldn't let me drive. You know, he he he'd always drive. Well, we got there and and uh them old boys they were pretty rough cats. And they pulled out that brown jug and started pulling on it. Old Gerald said, Craig, he said, won't you uh you don't hit all of this? Yeah, his nose or I don't believe it do. And boy, they done got talking loud and carried on. And anyway, we they pulled out another jug, and then we started going back to camp. They got up there at the camp. Anyway, we got up there and and uh we had a tra we stayed in a trailer there that Harrison Johnson had, and uh he was there with us. Anyway, at Gerald, we went on over. Me and uh Harrison went on over to the camp, and they some of the women folks were there, and and uh they was cooking and the men were cooking, and they'd cooked some bear, and I didn't ever I couldn't eat no bear. But anyway, they went over there and and two minutes general. Well, he's done getting he's getting nervous, you know, and he came in and he said uh uh they had them brown jewels out drinking on that moonshine, and he said, uh say, he said, Jimbo Mana 18, man, we're gonna have to go say Nancy. That's this wife Nancy, Nancy's sick. I said, Oh, Daryl, really? Yeah. Said Nancy's sick, which I had in the back of my mind I knew what the deal was. Anyway, I said, Well, we gotta go, we gotta go, Mr. All said, man, I age you, we gotta go. I said, Well, we better go. Miss Nancy's sick, we better go. So, and we loaded her stuff, and I said, tell you what, Gerald, I'm gonna drive. He said, uh, he said, uh, okay, you can drive. And anyway, we went through coming through the mobile. He said, let's pull over here, we'll get us a room, and we'll just spend night get up in the morning. I said, No, Gerald, we gotta go. We got to go home. It's nice and sick, we gotta go home. Well, he sat up again to the side, and he would, he'd goze off asleep and bump his head on the on the on the dash. And finally, when we got here, right here, to my house, he had to call one of his hands to bring a vehicle and somebody else to get his pick up to take him home. And he said, Well, I didn't know we was gonna run do one of them 10K runs. I said, Well, I said, you know, you do you want my wife to call and check on Miss Nancy to make sure she's right? He just kind of looked to give me one of them go to hell looks. Oh, yeah, yeah. He said, payback is tough, bo. I thought, yeah, it sure is. We're going next year. Oh my goodness. But we never went back. That was our last trip on the bear hunting, but you know, it it it that bear hunting, it was a lot of fun. I'd have done seen one bait up on the ground, you know. And um, I think that year was, yeah, that was the year we got home and uh Harrison called me three days later and said, Oh, Alabama hammer had got killed. They've baited on a knoll in there, uh, he said on a huckleberry hill. I don't know where they grow, where huckleberries grow. But anyway, and said the old bear wouldn't climb a tree. He said that bear was an old mean saw bear. He said, she has reached out and grabbed the old hammer. And of course, I always picked at them, you know, because that first time that them dogs crossed that that uh landy down there going in to take hail, you know, I had a camera, a movie camera, and I was gonna film them. You know, as the bear went across, and when the dog went across. Well, when the bear got to the water, there was water on both sides. Well, it was on one side, on the bear side. Anyway, when he got to the water, he just kind of walked up there to it, got him a drink of water, and just kind of went off in it, swam across, come up, he wasn't$100, he wasn't 75 yards from him. Come up out the other side, and he shook the water off of him, and he walked across that levee. And when they call and told me that Alabama Humber had got killed, I said, My Lord, I said, What in the world helped me get hung up in something? I said, because there ain't no way a bear could have killed him because they never did would catch up to one, you know, as slow as they were, you know. They didn't like it too much. But, you know, I was about he and I guess, I guess all them other hands old bears all that's so old, he had plot dogs. And uh, and I guess all them dogs have been divvied out. I've I had some of them, but all my stuff got so old and dyed, and I've got one plot dog now. It goes back to uh some of Mike Collie's dogs down there in New Orleans. Okay.

SPEAKER_03 1:22:51

Some of the buy you cage stuff, yeah. Right, right. Well, that's what I was gonna ask if you had any plot dog. I mean, you were talking about some of the biggest names in the plot stuff, and that's why I was like, I figured you figured you probably had a few plot here and there.

SPEAKER_02 1:23:07

Well, you know, I had uh at one time I had three, you know, and and every one of them, and old Duffy was given to me as a pup. And uh Mr. Orwell had I well well I went, I had several plot dogs over the years, but I had this one dog, a plot dog, that uh Mr. Orwell called me one day and he said, uh, what you gonna be doing in the morning? I said, I man be sleeping. It was on Sunday morning. He said, Look, I gotta go repossess a dog. I said, really? He said, Yep. He said, Will you ride with me? I said, Where's he at? He's out in Breckenville, Breckinville, Breckinville, out there in West Texas, way out there. So, anyway, he came by and picked me up. We took off in a little old Azou Zoo pickup. We run about 60 miles an hour. Anyway, we go all the way out there at the Brecken, Brecken Ridge or something like that. I can't even remember the name of it, right there at Abilene. Anyway, and the man met us in town, and I don't know why to this day the man he met us in town, and we had to follow him to his place. The man's name was Will Lilly, and uh, we followed him to his place to get the dog. And Mr. Orwell was kind of jealous of him anyway, and he had really talked bad about Mr. Orwell's dogs and about Mr. Orville lying to him about the dog, and he wasn't this, and wasn't doing this. Anyway, Mr. Orwell was done on years in. And anyway, we pulled up the man's house, and when that thing got on Will looked like when he showed up show dog. His old tail had that, had that spraying loaded tail up over his back, cat footed, stood up real pretty and straight, had a had about a half an ear, didn't have a full hound ear and a pretty dog. And uh anyway, I loaded him up in the truck, and Mr. Oll told me, he said, I'm gonna I need to go out here and look at the rest of his dogs. Mr. Owl thought he was stealing dogs. So anyway, he goes out there and uh the man didn't think, Mr. Owl didn't like a wheel. But Mr. Owl wasn't gonna let somebody get to him, you know. And uh anyway, I don't even know what he gives for the dog, but Mr. Owen went out there and looked at the dog. When he came back, sat down in the truck. I was gonna tell the I'll drive. He walked up that truck and he told Will Lilly, some real, real bad stuff. He told me, don't ever let me hear you talking bad about my dogs or me. I will personally come out here and whoop your ass. Hell yeah. Mr. Owl said, Oh, we'll just kind of stood there looking what we took. Oh, we had a long driveway. And when we got down to the end of the driveway where we hit the, I wasn't paying no attention. Mr. Oil was driving when we left. Anyway, I said, which way we go here? Mr. Owl said, Well, I don't know. It probably wouldn't do no good to go back and ask him with it. I said, No, don't guess. He said, But you see that big hill wheel? He said, That the highway is right there. So we had started hunting. But anyway, we brought old Will home and he took him on home with him, and I guess he still didn't like him. We was going down below Houston to go hunting with some boys in a rice paddy down there. Jim Craner and and uh and his brother was down there, and both of them were school teachers, and uh we were going down there to hunt with him, and when Mr. Orville came by here, his pickup was double loaded with dogs and dog crates and bedrows and everything else. We unloaded all of his and put it on Buddy my pickup, and he said, he kept telling me before he when he called me and told me he's coming, he said, I brought I'm bringing you something. And I thought, oh Lord, what's he bringing me? Well, he gave me, he brought old Will and he said, old Will belongs to you. I didn't even want to go hog hunting. I didn't even want to go south. I mean, below used to go hunting. I wanted to go hunt a wheel. Well, anyway, wheel was a different breed of dog. And uh anyway, I put him in the pan, left him here, went on down there and we hog hunted. We came on back, and uh we got back, and and uh I told Mr. Owell, you know, uh matter of fact, when we got back, uh somebody, my daughter came out and she said, Daddy, uh, there's a man down below Shambhaville. Call him said the hogs would be passed up. This was probably 2.30 in the evening. We got back, and uh I said, Y'all want to go down and go hog under souls, yeah, we might as well. We didn't do much good down the under us. I hear you. So we went down there and caught a hog and come on back here. And and uh, I don't know, several weeks later, we uh two or three weeks later, a man had called down on the lake down there on Kalita Bend and said, Hey, I got a hog down rooting up my my dam or my pond, because y'all come down here and uh and see if y'all can catch him. I said, Yeah. We go down there and look at the rooting and all this stuff. And anyway, I had three tracking collars, is all I had. Well, I had three dogs that I thought a lot more of than I did on Wheel, you know. I didn't know nothing about Wheel, you know. I knew he Barking hog in a pen, you know, and uh I knew he didn't bark on the chain and I like that. But anyway, we go down there and we uh turned a black and den dog that my buddy had, a plot dog, old Duffy, and uh and my blue English dog, as they called him, a loose, and they jumped the hog, and I turned old wheel to him, and didn't no more think about it and nothing. And I turned two more dogs to him, and one of the dirt roads that we went down where they had crossed at, one of the dogs was laying in dish dead. The hog stopped and uh killed him, but it wasn't the blue tick, and it wasn't the English dog, it wasn't old Duffy, and it wasn't um uh the Black Dan. And anyway, we go on, wasn't thinking about nothing but getting to them dogs, you know, that's going on with it, and running it pretty good, you know, and figurative bay any minute. And anyway, we got crossed another highway in there, and anyway, and we got over there after we crossed, there's a place they call Ragtown down there, and it's right on the lake. There's a lot of nice homes down there. And uh anyway, we got down there and and uh and we got up on high hill in there and we could hear them. We could hear them coming, you know, with the blue tick and the and old Duffy and the black and tan. And two hard lives, we could hear a chop mouth dog just huh, huh, and be on the way. He was three-quarters of a mile ahead of them other three. And I thought, that buddy of mine, he said, uh, what in the world is that? I said, I don't know. I said, I said, I can tell you what it is. Lord, let's get around there. He said, What is it? I said, it's old wheel. And I said, I think he's running the deer or he's running the bay in somebody's cows. He's doing something, but he ain't gonna be running what he's supposed to be. Well, about that time he said, Hold up just a minute. We started back up. He said, Listen, he said, whatever he's running, they run it because they made that right turn and going the same way he's going, but he will run way ahead of them. We go all the way around to the lake, come up over a hill, and we heard them bait in there behind a big two-story long house. And we took off, go around there, couldn't get up with nobody there, and there was some people sitting out in the yard at one house. They said, Them people ain't here. Y'all go in and do what you gotta do, so we don't let them know what's going on. Anyway, we caught the hog. And I'd been feeding my dogs like back then it, you know, I I was telling you, I very seldom got the buy sack of dog feed, you know. But uh I was feeding them meat sprouts from a barbecue place. And uh when we got back around and showed the man the hole, old man said, Well, boy, I'm glad y'all caught him. And he knew the story on old Wheel and everything. And he said, Well, he said uh is uh said, I noticed old Will didn't have him a place in the box. You know, it's gonna leave him tired out there in the hot sun. I said, Yeah, because he likes it. He ain't never quit barking. Then the three, when we caught the hog, they laid down over in the water and quit. They were two. Old Will ain't never quit barking, helped catch the hog. Anyway, you know, and I said, no. He's gonna stay out there in that heat, and he's feeding, and he said, Well, what about you gonna start feeding him to make good dog food? I said, Nope. I said, all of them's gonna start eating meat scrouts, because if if he can do it on me scrouts, they can do it on me scrouts too. That's right. But but old Will was a different dog. I finally got him, you know, goods get killed, you know. Oh yeah. I always liked that dog. I mean, he was a chop, I always liked the chop mouth dog, you know. Yes. I mean, if they was gonna run something, it just seemed to me that they could run. A chop mouth dog could run faster. And and most of the time a chop mouth dog was gonna run with her head up.

SPEAKER_03 1:33:39

With her head up, yeah, exactly.

SPEAKER_02 1:33:41

And I liked a dog that could run his head up.

SPEAKER_03 1:33:43

I've I've got one that runs like that. It's one of the few hounds I've ever owned. And after I run him a couple times, I noticed he chopped real good, you know, on track. So I said, you know, so I'm gonna keep that rascal. And then sure enough, we ain't really got nothing else. I can hardly stay with him.

SPEAKER_02 1:34:00

Right.

SPEAKER_03 1:34:01

He's gonna be out in the front.

SPEAKER_02 1:34:03

Yeah, I got a I got a plot gip up here now that's at 10 months old, she'd run all day long. People get aggravated. I get aggravated because, you know, about noon, I'm not ready to come to the house, either when it starts warming up. She's bad to get her old pads on her feet. She'll every time you take her, she's gonna run pads off her feet. And uh the last time, I guess it's last Saturday, we took her and she ran from 7 o'clock to 1.30, I guess, and we finally caught her crossing the road. Well, we shot the hole, and uh when he crossed the road because we were ready to shorten it up a little bit. That's the only time we took her and she wasn't crippled. And she went to cripple the next day. So, but I'd been putting copper tox. I I keep a bottle of copper talks sitting there and I keep her old feet, I keep them doctored up with that copper talk, you know. You know, but uh yeah, it's uh I just like a chopped-mouth dog. Even the cur dog, if he barks on his chop, I mean I you know, a lot of people don't like an old-mouthed dog. You know, and and just like I said a while ago though, you know, uh I've taught more hogs with cur dogs than have hounds, but you know, I can I can put on a showless cold track, you know, with a hound.

SPEAKER_03 1:35:25

I used to hate the any dog that barked at all. I couldn't stand it. And then, you know, I over the years, same thing like you were talking about earlier with the hogs and the way they changed. Because we we always caught the hogs pretty quick. I mean, we ran rougher dogs, and hell, most of the time it wasn't much baiting going on. And uh, and then it got to where they started running, and now uh we went this past weekend. We were down there at Uncle Earl's and we went with a couple young men. And he said this one property he said these hogs don't really run that bad. And that's what's been a long many years since I've seen something that didn't. And my God, I'm telling you now, them hogs they didn't really run. And we bayed right on the side of the road. Uh pulled right up there to them, got in there and caught a couple, one of them broke loose, and hell they had it bathed right there at the truck. I mean, literally standing in the road. I said, boys, this is like old times here. Yeah. You know, it it was, and I realized I was like, it was a lot easier to bay a hog in in certain areas then, you know, certain type of hogs, and now they just run so dead gum long and hard. They do here anyway.

SPEAKER_02 1:36:35

You know, they start practicing when they're babies. You know, they sort of, you know, I I got a I got a there was a man who made a comment the other day, he's a school teacher, he's retired now. Mr. Ronnie was he told a fella up here in town, uh, well, boys hunts with me all the time, Eric Peg, he told him they was talking about holes. He said, Well, have you seen any hoes out there on the old place, Mr. Ronnie? He said, No, they ain't been seeing many. He said, but but let me tell you something, as long as Jimbo Flood is living and got dogs, and it there's gonna be hoes right here to ruin. So I I told him the other day, I said, I got a five-bedded child down there. She's half-bedded and half while I'm bringing her to a good wild board and uh trying to get all them chorn legs hogs out there. Maybe I can catch one every now and then.

SPEAKER_03 1:37:32

There you go. There you go. That's the proper management.

SPEAKER_02 1:37:37

That's right. You know, yeah, I don't think man's gonna find no better dogs. He's just gonna, as buddy man used to tell me up there in Panola candy, he said, we either go out to get more dogs or more holes, one of the makes it kind of iffy. You don't know, you know, and and I'm gonna tell you something. This is the honest truth. Yes, sir. So many, many, many years ago, uh I was hunting for dogs and didn't have no hounds. Well, I had a old ducky, I had him until he was 15 and after they got him back. But I'd been invited going to them wild boar conservation associations. Maybe I'd been invited to go hunting with people. Florida, Alabama, Georgia, Mississippi, Louis Allah, ever worked. And I told my wife, I said, you know what, I'm gonna start going. When somebody offers me to go hunting with them, I'm gonna go. But I ain't taking a dog. She said, Oh, you go out and take dogs? I said, No, I ain't taking no dogs. I said, I'm gonna go with them. And I'm gonna, when I get back, I may not have a dog left.

SPEAKER_00 1:38:48

Yep.

SPEAKER_02 1:38:50

I said, but you know what? When I Eric Todd made my little tour, I come back, and I didn't, I I had I had I had just as good a dog as anybody else. You know, back then, you know, down here, we hunted hogs, and other people went home hunting. You know, that that's exactly right. We had to turn leaves over to plow one, you know.

SPEAKER_03 1:39:18

And that was one of the questions I was gonna ask you when you went and done your tour. And and I've done the same thing in the past two years. And just like you said, I thought, well, I'm probably not gonna have no dogs when I get home. Yeah, and I was actually pretty, pretty happy about it. You know, I said, you know, for for what I've got, I think I'm I'm happy with what I got anyway. Uh I went to a couple of places, Mr. Foster, and like you said, we go shop. I I've messed a wheel booth and them all the time. We go boar shopping out there is what I call it. You ride around and pick out which track you want to turn loose on, and we're gonna get him up and we're gonna run it.

SPEAKER_01 1:39:56

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 1:39:56

Here, you pick out what you whatever damn track is there. Whichever one's there, that's what you've got to run if you can find one.

SPEAKER_01 1:40:03

Right.

SPEAKER_03 1:40:04

So, how important is the property and the your geographical location? You know, not just the dog, but the property that you have. How so apparently you're on the same wavelength there. It's it's important to have the property with the hogs on it, or you can't catch hogs.

SPEAKER_02 1:40:23

That's right. You know, um, there's a friend of ours that lives up in Bonola County, and I have a hunted up there on that lease I've always talked about, had so many hogs. Yes, it's up in the Sabine River, and uh it's a girl hunts up there, and there's two or three guys hunts with her and stuff. And and a guy, man, asked me the other day, he said, man, he said, you seen that on Facebook or wherever it is. I said, No, I don't do Facebook. He said, Man, they catch big hogs every time they go. I said, Well, they do. I said, but they're hunting in the pain bottom. I said, they got lots of hogs. Let them bring them those that they find in hogs with down there, up yonder. Yep. I said, Let them bring them down here and put them on some of these here. Hogs. You know, you you gotta, I mean, you know, and down here, I mean, uh boy told me the other day, man, they come but sound a bunch of pigs across the road. That's good. Yeah. You know, that's fine on me. She's gotta come somewhere. If they don't pretty quick, she might run by somebody a little bigger, you know. And and and you know, and if it's a landowner, they don't care how many pigs they find in out there. That's right. You know, and it don't really bother me anymore. You sure I I've heard of some. I've heard of dog. You know, I I had a hog get me down one time up in Langle, a big hog. Hog wave over 400 pounds.

SPEAKER_00 1:41:58

Oh man.

SPEAKER_02 1:41:58

Uh I didn't get to catch him, but another fella shot him. Well, deer season started, and I didn't get to get killed him under a deer finger with a uh with a boat. But uh I went me and my brother-in-law uh went up to Langville. We'd hunted up there, uh, I don't fly to Langle, and a guy called me and told me there was a friend of his, said that there was a 500-pound hog on his property, and he wished somebody come up there because he'd been trapping some hogs, and and he got pictures of him when he'd drive up running around the trap. And uh anyway, I told him, you know, we went up there and we went, that's where we just go up there and go hunting, and we never got on the hole. But anyway, one Sunday morning I told my brother-in-law, uh, he hunted with me then, and we hunted horseback and four-wheeler and stuff. I saw him, I said, we ain't gonna take them young dogs up there. I said, 'Cause I think so. I don't want to be killing such pigs, you know, and stuff. So we knew it was a lot of hogs up there. Anyway, we turned loose. Anyway, uh went there, I don't know, 150 yards. And you know, and back then, back then, you didn't bang on hole no eight or nine hundred yards from you. You know, that was in some other town somewhere. Well, why?

SPEAKER_03 1:43:33

I mean, I I know exactly what you mean.

SPEAKER_02 1:43:35

Yeah. You know, and you know, it was, you know, you I I can't well, you know, you'd be a horse, or I wasn't a horse back then, but you know, we wound up being, uh, I think it might have been$150,$200, might have been for the truck. Go in there in a hair pig squid. Well, boy, that made me mad. I thought the dog is whooped for catching a pig. When my brother-in-law started hollering, he said, Man, here he is, here he is. This hole gets backed up under a plant top. I mean, all you could see was a knives sticking out of his mouth. And I said, Oh my lord. I started sending the dogs we had there to him. And uh anyway, he wouldn't run. He wouldn't run. And we didn't we we we need we had our catch dogs for us at the truck. And and by that time, we'd done across the Angelina River. And uh anyway, uh I told my brother-law, I said, look, I said, you go out to go back to the truck and uh and get two dogs. There's two grown finished tailcuts, we'll get you this home. And I said, and bring two kids out. All right. So anyway, I was I I had a lyric rope in my hand, and I said, if I can get a rope on this somewhere, I said, I'll tie him to a tree or something, you know. And uh anyway, I had a light, uh, an old bleached out Carhart jacket on, and uh it's a while. I mean, he did not give a flip. He was laid down, them dogs baying him, they'd teach him, he'd just stand up and look at them, you know. And I'm talking about he was a good, I mean, he was big. And I can't, I was standing beside a little sapling. It might have been a big five-inch post here, bigger one and five-inch five post. And uh anyway, I was there by it. I squatted down watching him, and uh about that time, and there's a wall with, I mean, he didn't like humans. He didn't like dogs, but he showed up being like a human. If he could get his eyes on you, he would he would run you down. Oh man. You know, just wherever you went, he'd go. He came a tree, uh, an old uh fell-down tree. I got a little old, uh, that it fell down. He jumped up on the tree trying to get up. He never got up on me. But uh anyway, I was standing there and he seen me and here he came. I said, Well, hell, he ain't gonna do nothing. Wolf at me and gone by, you know. I said, I'll wait for Danny to get here, you know. And uh I jumped up that tree. Well, when I did, one of them dogs changed him. And what did he do? He turned around on the tree that I was on, and I wasn't quite up high enough. And his butt hit my feet. When his butt hit my feet, he spooned, and when he did, he took my feet off that tree. Oh hell. And I didn't know but one thing to do, and that was turn a loose and scream and holler. So anyway, I landed on the ground, he got on top of me, and uh I I was just screaming and hollering and kicking, and and I just knew I said, man, I'm gonna cut all pieces, and finally a dog pinched at me and he got off of me, and I just laid there and I was in a bunch of honeysuckle, and I laid there on the ground for a few minutes, and I could feel my legs were wet. I said, I knew. I said, I'm I know I'm bleeding, you know, and and I finally got up and I started hollering for my brother-in-law. And I got up and I kept looking, and I said, he didn't cut me. He had gone on me and he peed all over me. Oh, hell. I mean, he peed all over me. He was trying to cut me, but them dog was working on him so hard. He didn't he couldn't. Anyway, I got to look at my brother-in-law, I could see him. I started hollering, where's the other dogs? Well, I guess I'm looking, he was on a stump about 150 yards from me. And anyway, he never went and got no dogs. We wound up, the hog went on and the dog bait again. We thought he had invaded, but didn't have a south bait. We caught south. Anyway, tied her up, got her out. She was on the other side of the end of the west, go across Avenue on the bridge and come back up. Anyway, uh, we started home. And uh, I mean, I stole. Lord, how much I stole. And Bruno, he's standing there, he's watching all this.

SPEAKER_03 1:48:30

Oh, I'd had to fire his ass. Yeah, yeah, I I yeah.

SPEAKER_02 1:48:37

He got talking to me. He got talking to me. Anyway, uh we got up there and we started home, and he said, and which Pam, my wife, is his sister, he said, where is uh Jeremy didn't go with us that day for some reason. But he said, Where is uh Pam and uh Cassie and Jeremy? I said they went to church this morning. He said, Well, I'm gonna tell you something. When you get home, you need to put your suit on and go get with them. He said, because you ain't supposed to be here this morning. And uh, they finally shot the old hog. And uh, matter of fact, one of the dogs, he he he kind of showed the plum off of one of the dogs that belonged to my brother-in-law, and I think that done got him kind of shellshaw can't.

SPEAKER_03 1:49:32

Oh my bit. But anyway, that's that's a lot of hog right there. Uh yeah. And any time it don't matter how big a hog is when it gets on on you. I mean, I I had a little old 60-pound choke me one day cut my boots off of them. We we laugh and joke about it now, but um if it had been 160 pounds, I if the same thing happened, I'd have been I'd have been in bad shape. You know, much less you get something that's two or three hundred or bigger.

SPEAKER_02 1:50:01

Oh, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 1:50:02

We have a uh Well, shit. All right, let me call him back, see if we can straighten that out. I don't know what in the world happened. I don't know, folks. Uh it was a some weird noises there. And aliens might have abducted him. He if he had plot hands, they probably didn't want to get rid of it. There he is, call me back, Lord. Hello. Anyway. I guess it quit. I don't know. I don't know what in the world. I just I literally I said, Well, I guess it's Aliens have done abducted him, is what it sounded like.

SPEAKER_02 1:51:14

So we showed it out again. Oh, it's fine. Continue on. Anyway, we went there and told this how we bait up. We was fixing the leave, and we getting over a barbar fence, and and the dogs bait, and and this was we, I mean, this was in the 70s. And uh, we was a mule bat, we was riding mules, and anyway, uh, and the buddy that was with me, you're talking about farming somebody. This old boy, he what in earth is going on? You still there? Yeah, I'm still here. That gummy thing quit on me. Oh I don't know what in the world is. Anyway, uh we we caught, I said, you're talking about somebody foreign somebody. He needs he's a scary devil hog. He always told me, man, I'll catch all the dolls. Just don't it depend on me to help you catch a hog. But we caught this hog, and he was an old tree had failed, and that hog was laying behind it in the roots, you know, laying up where the roots had pulled up out of the ground. And uh anyway, we were we we were watching the hogs, and this is a true story. Uh, we was watching the dog bay the hog, and he's pretty tough a hog. He wasn't a great big hog, he weigh 156, but he was old. And uh anyway, the dogs was baiting him, and when he did, well uh I was standing there at the roots looking around at the dogs, and this guy stepped in between me and the roots and was looking. And about that time that hog spun around when he did, he came at us, and when he did, oh shot, and old boy name they called him Shot Lynch, he broke and run. Anyway, I stood there and uh anyway went back around there looking, and when I did, I heard him, he hollered. He said, Jim, Jim, I said, What? He said, Would you look down there between your feet? I run plum out of my boots while I lay a while ago. And he he ran plumb out his cheeks. He left and sitting there. And anyway, I saw him, I said, go get the gun, shot, we'll shoot this. And anyway, he did. He went, he, but it took him a little longer, and he said, he smoked cigarettes real bad. He said, Jim, I'm gonna hope you ain't mad at me. He said, Man, I had to, he said, I had to stop and smoke a cigarette on the way out there to get that gun.

SPEAKER_03 1:54:01

Calm as nerves.

SPEAKER_02 1:54:02

Got up there, and uh we got up on the bank, we and I finally told him, I said, put the gun down. I said, we figured you tie him up. And we did. We throw the rope over them. I finally got a hold to him, got a rope on him over that, over them roots, got a rope on him, tied him up. And it was what was funny is that other guy had come in there to help us. His name was Bo Runnels, I believe his name. And he came in there, big old boy, and they was, I told him, I said, y'all hold him and I'll tie him up. Well, anyway, they kept old shot. Said, hey Jim, he said, man, he said, I ain't rushing you now. He said, but man, these far ain't sting us up. I said, they gonna have to eat you up because I ain't getting tied yet. But anyway, we got him tied and brought him in. And uh I told him, I said, if them dogs are gonna do this much good a job, I'm gonna catch him and tie him up. So that's what we did. Yes, sir. Yes, sir. Anyway. What time is it?

SPEAKER_03 1:55:06

I was fixing to say we've got uh we've got we've got enough in here for a good episode. We've got almost two hours in. Okay. Uh but I mean, like I said, if if you want if you're good with it, I I'm I'm fine with it right now, but uh I'd I I'd still like to talk to you some more, maybe later on, do another episode and continue on with some more stories and stuff. Man, this is a stuff that a lot of guys my age, you know, we we started hunting, and and we were just when the tracking systems were starting to get big and you know, hogs were starting to run and all that. So we we remember some of the stuff like you that you you lived, and then some of these newer guys, these younger guys, they don't know nothing about it, you know. Uh uh and and you'd be so surprised, Mr. Foster, how many of these guys that are hunting right now, they're not from a hunting family. Uh they really don't know shit about it. And and that this is how they're learning. And my hat's off to them because it's it's a hard lesson to learn. A lot of it is.

SPEAKER_01 1:56:10

Yep. Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 1:56:12

But we got a lot of folks out here now, like yourself, that's willing to talk and discuss some of these things and give them some good stories, like like you're talking about a hulk getting you down. Some of these boys don't they don't believe that can happen. Well, by God it can't.

SPEAKER_02 1:56:25

So but we you know, and and I told them after that, you know. I said, you know, I ain't scared of them, but I sure know got a lot more respect for them. Yes, sir. Yes, sir.

SPEAKER_03 1:56:35

You you can't be scared of them, but you you damn sure better respect them. Ain't no doubt about that. Well, Mr. Jim, we really appreciate you taking time out and talking with us.

SPEAKER_02 1:56:45

I'm sorry we missed all them other times. No, that's just life. I my memory ain't good as it used to be. And I I'd fooled around and and I I was jumping through my butt yesterday and thinking I wolfred called me. I told him, I said, Robert, you you kicked me two or three times. You make sure that I remember because I'll be done for that because I get an awful day or two. Usually if I'm down there setting as that oil well, I mean at that gas well at that location down there, you know, I ain't got that'd be a you know, I that would make a day go better. You know.

SPEAKER_03 1:57:21

Yes.

SPEAKER_02 1:57:22

But the other day I kept told telling Robert, I said, if you'll call me and and and text me and let me know, I said, because I'll phone around and forget it. And last night I thought I told my wife, I said, Oh Lord, I've done those boys up again. She said, What time is it? I said, Man, it's it's seven o'clock. I said, I think so I text. Uh I I didn't see nothing on my phone, so I knew y'all hadn't called or text me. Yes, and I said, Well, surely somebody would have. And so finally this morning, Roper called me this morning. Yeah. Oh no, it was, I said, Well, I'm gay. I said I couldn't sleep for the night.

SPEAKER_03 1:57:59

I was afraid I done told them boys alive. We appreciate it, man. It ain't no problem at all. You're a working fella, you got shit to do. And we do we're the same way. So there's some days we can't get nothing done except what we're doing outside of this this part of life, you know. Well, how how you was talking about y'all's age, how old are y'all? I'm I'm fixing to be 50. Fixing be 50. Yeah, knocking on 50. Uh, my son is 25. And uh, all the boys that I've that I hunted hunted with that got me started hunting with hogs. I've I've been around dogs all my life. Uh around hunting dogs, different forms and fashions. Uh came from the the the game dog world with bulldogs generations. My my grandfather, my dad, and all of them. But anyway, so that all of them are about the same age. Uh some of them's a little older. They're probably in their 60s now. And some uh the youngest one is probably 45.

SPEAKER_01 1:58:58

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 1:58:58

So, you know, like I said, we uh a lot of the stuff that when we started out, we just there was nobody around here doing it. Right. I mean, there well, there was one one guy, Mr. Charlie, and and we call him Frog, and back then, man, I ain't gonna lie to you, you couldn't you couldn't talk to him, you know, really get a hold of him. And uh there wasn't no social media stuff going on then, withn't all that. And of course it was tough to get properties, but when you got properties, we had big properties.

SPEAKER_01 1:59:33

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 1:59:34

Come along after I hunted for several years, they at they made it illegal for us to have a live hog. And uh we couldn't move well, it started out you couldn't transport. Then now they got it where you can't have a live hog at all. If the rule says upon capture, they must be dispatched. So we we just don't catch a whole lot of hogs, but them dogs might bae them for a while. Yeah, you know, I might go in there and just call them dogs and tell them load up and get out of there and leave them hogs alone. Yeah, but they sure in a hell run now, though. My gosh.

SPEAKER_02 2:00:09

Oh, yeah, it's it's a whole different deal.

SPEAKER_03 2:00:14

Yeah, it's it's completely different.

SPEAKER_02 2:00:17

Something I was gonna ask you in a uh uh well heck, I done done slipped my mind now. But anyway, yeah, y'all give me a call and I'll I'll uh get up with me and we'll try to do it again, definitely.

SPEAKER_03 2:00:38

But uh, like I said, I appreciate you. Thank you for your time. You have a good night.

SPEAKER_02 2:00:42

Yes, sir, and y'all do the same.

SPEAKER_03 2:00:44

All right, thank you, Mr. Foster. See you buddy.

SPEAKER_02 2:00:45

Yes, sir. All right, bye-bye.

SPEAKER_03 2:00:49

Well, boys and girls, that dude, that was awesome. Sweet, that was awesome. I mean, you know, hearing the stories and stuff like that, uh a lot of guys I I don't know how to explain. Well, a lot of them they just kind of lock up, uh, especially the older guys, once they get in their 70s and stuff, when you when you put them on the spot and say, hey, tell us about this. Now, if you're sitting around a fire drinking beer or or just shooting shit or something like that, well, they can ramble on, ramble on, ramble on. But when they get on that microphone or a camera in front of them, they kind of tone it down. Uh and a lot of that goes back to the product of your environment. Most of them weren't we're always talking, you know, you don't put your business out there, you don't discuss a lot of things openly. But having these guys like Mr. Fawcett come on here and like this is literally the you know, this is the only way you can get all these old stories out. You can hear them from other people over and over again. I can tell you the same story he told me, but it'll never be the same as him telling it. And so what we're doing is like we're we're putting the the annals of history down right now. That's the way I'm likely thinking of it. Is you know, I'm I'm just a dumbass old country boy that likes talking about dogs and hunting and and life in general. And uh I'm so thankful and so blessed from our good Lord above to be able to do this. And I get to do this, you know, thanks to all you listeners out there. That that gives me fuel for the fire to keep going. Because if wasn't nobody listening, I mean I'd probably still be talking, ain't no doubt. Everybody knows I I don't I don't really say a whole lot, you know. But you guys, we really appreciate y'all out there listening. Uh y'all make sure to to pay attention to our our ads and stuff that we do. These are the people that are that are helping us take this thing to the next level. Uh there's quite a few of them now. Also remember, you know, you want to get your your your essentials, get your nutrients and stuff for your dogs and your supplements. Y'all holler at 777. They'll fix you up with the K9 essentials and uh get that cut gear. Make sure you use Dixie Doggers as a discount code from Southern Cross Cut Gear. The best there is. So, hey man, we appreciate y'all. Thank y'all. Until the next time, we'll see you.