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Robert Cruz
October 12, 2018 Agustin De La Mora

Interview with Robert Cruz, Executive Director at NAJIT.
 
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Speaker 1:0:00Hello and thank you for listening to subject to interpretation hosted by Augustine Dannemora. My name is Claudia and my name's Kayla, and we are the producers of this program. Before we get into today's interview with Special Guest Robert Cruz, who is the executive director at the National Association of Judiciary Interpreters and translators, also known as Magid. We wanted to bring you the latest announcements from Delamora interpreter training. If you found this on facebook, we'd like to remind you that you may download this directly to your phone wherever podcasts are available. Now onto some more exciting news. If you're a medical interpreter, be sure to check out our medical assignment prep course beginning November. First. This course will help prepare you for medical assignments, no matter what the subject may be, learned research strategies and get hands on practice in various topics and helpful terminology. Also, finding the parallel summit is being held here in Orlando, Florida, November ninth, 10th, and 11th, and great news.

Speaker 1:1:04You can actually take advantage of our early bird registration price for one more week. Florida interpreters can earn their 16 ce credits all in one weekend. So don't miss out on this rewarding educational opportunity. And for more information, please visit the links in the description. Stay tuned for next week's podcast, featuring that tidy for Ada. Who is the conference interpreter recently elected as the new Aiq USA regional secretary. Yes. And last week we asked you guys to send in your questions so we can answer them on air. And here are the three most frequently asked questions for you guys. So when will your next 40. Our medical and legal courses begin? Well, good news. That will begin next year, early January. So make sure to go on our website. Those dates have already been published. Uh, but if you are needing an oral exam prep, we are offering a language neutral option this December.

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Speaker 2:3:18Hello everyone and welcome to subject to interpretation. Podcasts were a furthermore interpreter training where we always have very interesting guests to share with you stories about interpretation translation and our business and community of interpreters. So today we're honored and very happy to have rubbed cruise with us, rub cruises, the executive director of

Speaker 3:3:44magic, the National Association of traditionally interpreters and translators, and I consider him a very good friend of mine and uh, I had the pleasure to meet him when he was probably nine years old and he started in this business very young and he was just starting to get serious about code interpretation and we met in tendencies a long, long time ago. So I'll let him introduce yourself. How you doing? I'm doing great. I wish, Dean, thanks for sending out this invitation. I'm glad to be here. Okay. So, uh, tell us a little bit about how you ended up going to or getting into interpretation, rob, because that's not, that's not what you wanted to do when you were five years old, right? You probably went to be a fireman or something, an astronaut of course. But, uh, interestingly enough though, when I do interpreter trainings, one of the, there's two, the, one of the main questions that I get right away is people asked me when, when did I first become an interpreter?

Speaker 3:4:44And it's funny you say five years old because that's the answer that I always give and that's because I grew up in little Havana in Miami in the early seventies, and it truly was little Havana and the, none of the teachers in our school system actually spoke Spanish and my mother did not speak English. So my first interpreter assignment was the parent first parent teacher conference, which I think was when I was in kindergarten. And it's a very valuable lesson to any stakeholders out there listening that you never want the interpreter to have a interest in the outcome of the interpretation because the teacher told my mom that although I seem to be fairly intelligent, I was quite the class clown. And so of course I told my mom and my best Spanish that the teacher says that you should be very proud. And uh, and as it turns out, I received an increase in my allowance and the teacher thought that she had gotten me in trouble.

Speaker 3:5:45So, but in all seriousness, seriousness though, I really have always been in love with the law. But to be perfectly frank, uh, just not patient enough or willing to do some of the things that need to be done to be an attorney. So I felt that being involved in the law was something that was going to be in the cards for me and it was by choice and so I've had several iterations of careers, but at the time I had, uh, worked for many years for a marketing company, a sales position. I was a sales trainer and, and I had been able to have had the fortune of walking away from it and having some time off for a year and I was bored. And so I decided to do something crazy and buy a, uh, an independent mom and pop grocery store. And it was the craziest thing I've ever done.

Speaker 3:6:41And it did not turn out very well. It was a very long one year. But I could not sell it a fast enough. But interestingly enough, uh, there was a judge that would come into the grocery store because it had a deli, kind of like a fresh market kind of thing. And so when I was closing the store, he, he told me, he said, well, what are you going to do next? You're going to go back to being retired? And I said, no, I can't afford it. I lost my shirt with this grocery store, so I do have to find something to do. And he knew that I was bilingual and as most monolingual people may think, you know, they think that that's enough. But he put me, uh, put the interpreter program in Tennessee on the radar for me, which had started just three years before.

Speaker 3:7:24And so I started to look into that and I immediately fell in love with, with the process and, and thought this might, you know, from the, everything that happens for a reason category, this might be what I've always wanted because it would allow me to work in the judiciary without having to have gone to law school and, and, and, and all of those things. So that's, that's essentially how I got into it. And, uh, I think that I attended one of your prep workshops in a Nashville, excuse me, in Nashville. Uh, and, uh, thanks to your suggestion to record yourself as you are preparing for the exam, I realized exactly how awful I was and how much, uh, work it really was going to take and make a long story short. I did pass a written test and, you know, on the first try and, um, I did pass the oral exam in the first try and I did receive a 92 in these simultaneous portion, which at the time, I'm not sure at this point, but at the time it was the highest score in the history of the Tennessee program, which like I said, was a nascent program at that time.

Speaker 3:8:36Um, so that, that actually prompted the AOC in Tennessee to invite me to a, a, a tepid conference, which is where I learned about magic and, uh, to, to actually present on how I was able to pass the test. And based on recording my first session as you suggest that I was staying, my, my presentation was entitled, uh, from atrocious to 92 because that's really where, you know, where I went. And so, um, you really, you know, played an instrumental role in and pointed me in the right direction and a lot of hard work and you know, 14 years later here I am still interpreting in Tennessee and still involved with magic. Yeah, that's, that's, that's a very interesting story. I didn't know the whole story. I do remember you a Vietnam class because uh, I went to the next nagid and I can't remember where it wasn't.

Speaker 3:9:27And there you are, you know, and you are already been very active. I remember you being one of the people asking questions of the board at the time. So I was like, oh, I remember that kid, one of my classes in Tennessee. So. And now that you are an interpreter and you are, you still interpret every now and then in court. Actually I interpret pretty much Monday through Thursday. I normally only, I'm only able to interpret about a half a day because of my budget responsibilities. As you know, I was staying in, you know, the, a lot of the day to day behind the scenes of natural has done. Bye Susan. Bye Bye. My spouse and, but of course, you know, I do have a lot of responsibilities as the executive director, so I really don't have the ability to interpret, you know, all day everyday like I used to, but to be fair and in the area of Tennessee that I live, it's a, it, you know, it's not a high volume case load area for like you would be in a border town or something like that.

Speaker 3:10:25And also because I've been doing it for about 14 years, I, I have a good relationship with the courts and they are very flexible where constitutional issues aren't, aren't at stake to accommodate my schedule. Uh, and so, um, I'm fortunate I'm, I'm able to interpret usually Monday through Thursday at least a couple of hours, sometimes four hours a day. So I, I really wouldn't want to give that up and I don't think that I would've taken my new role if I would have had to fully give up an interpreting. I just love it too much. Yeah. It's kind of addictive and I, I know what you're saying because I remember I fell into interpreting kind of the same way and because somebody thought, hey, you're a teacher, you should interpret it, and I went to the courts and a guy hired me because I worked for Berlitz and that was a good school.

Speaker 3:11:14So there you go now. And then probably like it. The first time I went to a courtroom I had very little idea of what to do, but here we are in a few years later for me, a lot more than 14. For me it's more like 30, but yeah, you're right. I every time I can I still catch some assignments because it's really cool and I tell people it was so interesting for me because the first time I did a trial I was amazed that they actually paid me to do it. It was so interesting. I go like I'm in. I felt like a year and getting paid for it. So it was really good. And here we are many years. So then you go to nantucket and first as a member and you climbed the stairs and for awhile you were actually a member of the board, right?

Speaker 3:12:00Yeah, actually I was on the board of directors of Nagid for six years, which is the maximum before you are politely asked to leave by the bylaws. And I was, I was the chair for the last three of those six, which is also the longest that you can be the chair. So I kind of felt like I maximized my, my nagid time on, on the board and in volunteering. And I really admire that because I myself have never served on the board. I've been invited, but I, I guess I'm a little, uh, uh, less a given that you are because I had never served, but I know that it's a labor of love to be involved with Nad did and I really keep on doing what I can from the outside, uh, for the institution that I guess we both love. And then how did you turn around and now you work for Nagid again?

Speaker 3:12:49Well, this is a very interesting thing. It says it's, it's very serendipitous, um, you know, prior to being prior to and then also at the same time that I was on the board for at least one year. I was on the, the tap at the Tennessee Association board of directors. Um, so I, I had experienced being on nonprofit boards. I was also on the board of the Hispanic Chamber of Commerce of East Tennessee. I was on the board of directors of the, uh, Athens Arts Council in a small town in Tennessee. So I had quite a bit of experience with nonprofits from the volunteering point of view. I also, as, as, as a result, had a lot of experience with the folks that actually get paid to manage the nonprofits. And one of the things that I found was that you really are at a, at a disadvantage as, as a volunteer on a board of directors when there's so much more that can be done from the management perspective.

Speaker 3:13:48Because a lot of times the people that volunteer for these different types of boards are subject matter experts. They're experts in their industry or their profession or whatever that might be, but just like with interpreters, I find that they don't necessarily come to the profession or to serve with a whole lot of business experience. And that's something that I had done for many, many years before I had my career. Semi retirement for lack of a better word. And then the grocery store and then going into interpreting is I was doing a lot of work with chambers of commerce and with helping, uh, individuals to create their own business, organize their business, incorporate their own businesses. I did a lot of motivational seminars and sales seminars and management seminars and effective communication and things of that nature and reading spreadsheets and reading balance sheets. And so when I was on the last year of my natural term as a, as a director and as the chair, uh, my wife and I sat and she was, you know, in corporate America, her background was, isn't financial planning.

Speaker 3:14:56And she'd been doing that for over 20 years. And so we felt that with, with my collective experience in the volunteering world, also in the business world, in her business planning event planning, uh, those types of things, taxes, it really seemed like we could have a very, a good management company that would manage nonprofits. And so that is what we decided to do. And so towards the end of my term, we actually began the process of incorporating our own business with the goal of over time building it up and over time, you know, getting enough contracts or, or one major contract, however that might turn out so that she could then leave the corporate world and just strictly work for our company. And uh, as luck would have it, you can imagine it's very common conversation when you're leaving a board when you've been around for six years.

Speaker 3:15:55I felt like I had done, and I don't mean this in a bad way, I think everyone should do it. But I felt like I had done my share of volunteering. And so I really didn't view myself going onto like the next organization to volunteer on that board. And so I told the people that were on the board exactly what my plans were and it never really dawned on me, it was never even in my mind a possibility that I would end up, you know, actually, you know, having the management company that managed budget, that was never my intention, that was never even a plan. Um, as, as luck would have it the board that, that they succeeded the board that I was on and I was not in touch with Nadia at all at that point. I went to the Atlanta conference because it was relatively close to where I, to where we, you know, we live, we can commute back and forth to Atlanta.

Speaker 3:16:46So we did that. And in talking to some of the board members, they, uh, you know, intimated that there might be some changes with the management company, uh, at magic. And I was asked if, if Susan and I were still entertaining that possibility and we said yes. And we started the process of incorporating. And it was just a few months after that that we were approached and asked, you know, would you be interested in, you know, in essence, submitting a bid to the board for how much, you know, you all would charge to do this for, for Nagid. So, uh, that's in essence how, you know, how it came to be. And I think it's a unique situation because I don't know that you can always expect an executive director to actually also be a subject matter expert for the organization that they're managing a. I figured, I figured, you know, my, my first track, you know, it might've been for a cosmetology association of which I wouldn't know the first thing, um, but with here it turned out well because I think that, uh, we bring a little bit of added value to the association because we, you know, we, I feel very comfortable speaking on the issues when asked by the board.

Speaker 3:17:56And so I think the board gets a little bit extra bang for their buck and sodas, the association. And we're happy to do it. No question. And I have told you in person and, and I will reiterate that, uh, you guys have been a very good team for nat. Did I? I see how the cohesive efforts have paid off. I think the conferences are getting stronger and the next step is for all of us to join forces and just grow, grow nagid. So now you and I know a lot about nagid. I've been going to the conferences for over 20 years, but a lot of people might not know. I know a lot about magic. So why don't you tell us a little bit what, what is that first of all? Well, as you said, the acronym is, it stands for the National Association of Judiciary Interpreters and translators. Uh, it is, um, I believe probably the largest association of judiciary interpreters, uh, possibly, uh, internationally.

Speaker 3:18:53I know certainly in the United States a Nigel has over 1100 members. One of the things that I always like to point out when I speak about an attitude is that even though the j is very prominent in our name, the judiciary, the reality is that many, many, many of our members are freelance interpreters and many freelance interpreters don't have the luxury or sometimes the desire to only interpret in one type of setting. So many, many of our members interpret and the judiciary, they interpreted the medical field, a interpreting conferences. They do State Department work. Uh, so we, we have, uh, we boast quite a few members that, that work in many different fields besides the judiciary. And I think that one of the things that Magid is, uh, it is really important as an association and one of the reasons it's so important is because it is so respected.

Speaker 3:19:46It's respected by the stakeholders. Uh, it's respected by the administrative office of the courts. Uh, it's respected by people that are writing about interpreting it. So we have a lot of information that we, that we give to practitioners. A NACHA is renowned for their position papers, which are always a great tool because one of the things that, one of the reasons that I'm so adamant on the importance of a professional association is because it allows, number one, it gives credibility to the profession that we're talking about, but it also allows you to use that association to advocate for yourself and for the profession without it, without making it seem as if selfserving. So when a judge says, I have an audio file here of a Dui Stop Dashboard Cam, I'd like you to site translated here, uh, you know, in the courtroom on the spot.

Speaker 3:20:41When did the interpreter says, your honor, I, I really can't do that. It's not considered a best practice. It's really some of those things that it almost sounds like the interpreters trying to be lazy. So it makes it much more believable and credible. If you can show the judge Nadia's Position Paper on why it's not advisable to do an audio file on the spot and that it should be transcribed and translated. So it really empowers the individual. Uh, and as a result, the profession by really giving you some of that, I hate to say it, but almost like that backup that you need because interpreters tend to work very isolated and so anytime that you're advocating, because this is the best thing to do, a lot of times people never see that what they see is all you're saying is because you want more money or because you are too lazy or for all these different reasons.

Speaker 3:21:30So really it, it magic gives you an ability to, to be able to advocate for yourself without having that stigma of why you're doing it. It also is probably the largest repository of institutional knowledge on, on interpreting a, I would say interpreting specifically because of some of our members. We have members that have literally written the book on judiciary interpreting and, and other types of interpreting. We have all different kinds of professors and we have people that are really the, the, the ones that have laid the foundation for a lot of the interpreting things. And so when you talked about. When I went to my first magic conference, I was fortunate enough to have a mentor in Judith candies and Christie and she walked me to the table and there was Peter Lindquist and I'm just going to mention some names of some of the listeners may not know, but are luminaries in our profession, you know, Peter Lindquist and Janice Palma.

Speaker 3:22:31And, and, uh, Dr Ryan off a holly Mickelson who, like I said, literally wrote the book and she know she introduced me to these folks and I was like, wow, you know, um, I mean I was kind of like, you know, just all struck in the sense that I could pick these people's brains and that they were willing to share information with me, which I thought was really unique. So a Nagid is a very, very important association, not just for judiciary interpreters, but just interpreting in general. And I think that's a reason why it's important that interpreters really support an association like magic. Uh, although most people will join an association with the thought, well, why should I join? What can net Associated Association do for me? And I think Nadia has an obligation to provide those services because we do want it to offer a services and expertise, which I think we do, but I think that all of us that are professional interpreters do have an obligation to support the associations because in turn, we're really supporting our own profession.

Speaker 3:23:32You weren't talking about a point that I wanted to make sure we talk about it. And that is, uh, the famous why IFM, right? What does it mean for me? What do I gain, what, you know, what I get out of. And uh, when I go around the country talking about interpretation, I do think, and maybe you agree with me that people don't understand or don't seem to understand that belonging to natural. It's not something that you give. It's actually immediately something that you get. I tell them, if you get a lot more than 105 or $110, how much is it membership right now? If you're an active member. And for us an active member means that you actually earn some, some amount of money interpreting or translating. It's $105 for 12 months, right? So, you know, there's less than $10 a month, which people spend more than that on coffee and I tell them just for that investment, you get a lot more out of it.

Speaker 3:24:28So you already mentioned some of the things you gives you some standing. It's no longer saved me, johnny, the interpreter saying that National Association has already written a paper and days and we have the backup of all this people. I remember you said in one of the conferences, we do have a lot of people that have tremendous amount of knowledge and degrees and you've mentioned something about having that happens to me too, is that having this phd and the right because yes. Because we have so and so. Dr So and so. And doctor so and so on. It turns out everybody's a doctor. I'm not even a hospital. Yes. But because people really, uh, that are in the business and know about the business are there. So that gives you a lot of standing. You're not standing alone as an interpreter saying icesave is. We're saying all of my colleagues, this prominent people are saying the same thing.

Speaker 3:25:23So what else? Tell us a little bit about what NASA does that interprets, would be, you know, would benefit from, by just belonging to magic other than what we already said. Well, I think just to add a couple of things that, you know, one of the things that I had the privilege of doing and you know, when I was chair and now when I'm the executive director as well, um, is I have an ability, a net did, is invited to speak at different events. For example, at the end of this month, there's a continuing legal education summit that's being held in Georgia where Nagid is headquartered in Atlanta and Nagid has been invited to speak on a panel, a which I'll be the representative of. Imagine it as a panel on a technology, a technology that will impact the work of interpreters. And I think it's so crucial that when you have a room full of attorneys and judges and court administrators that are going to be drafting the policy of how technology is used, the voice of the interpreter.

Speaker 3:26:24The practitioners voice is actually represented and so I think one of the fundamental things that we do is we insert ourselves in these conversations. We insert ourselves in conversations that we think impact the profession and because Nagid has the standing, the recognition of who we've been for many, many years. It's not only, not only do we speak at those events, but we also are invited to those events. And I know that the current board of magic with the, uh, the great leadership of the new chair, uh, Amy Benavidez, uh, you know, one of the main, you know, uh, I would say emphasis going forward is to get ourselves involved more in those types of organizations too that aren't necessarily interpreter associations, but that impact the work of interpreter. So the interpreter is voice can be heard as these policies are being, are being written because as you know, a lot of times policies are written in a vacuum without the input of the people that they ultimately are going to effect.

Speaker 3:27:29So I think that's one fundamental thing that that's important. And that's one of the ways that membership dues and a membership in Nagid supports the association in a way that's going to give back to the practitioner. And of course, I mean there's, there's a lot of other benefits. Magid has, uh, just last year kicked off inaugurated something called the national academy where we will be putting together webinars, uh, on different things we've done. We, our inaugural Webinar was on a, you know, more on the business of interpreting and we will be, we'll be putting out a series of different webinars. Some of them are going to be skills, skill building specific, but a lot of them are going to be things that interpreters need to have that maybe they don't think about in terms of, you know, business planning, taxes, retirement, but also, but also obviously terminology and all the things that interpreters also need.

Speaker 3:28:27And as a member, those, those webinars will either be free or at a discount in comparison to a person. It's not a member. We have all of our active members appear in our, on our member directory. Our member directory is access somewhere between 20 503,000 times a month, and so when you talk about $105 to join, all those takes is one interpreter assignment from that to more than pay for itself and that's if you discount all of these other intrinsic values that that narrative brings to the profession that are not necessarily something that you can quantify in a, in a dollar amount. So I don't want to take much time, believe me, I think you and I feel the same way. We could sit here and sing the praises of magic for, for, for hours. So I really think it's important for people to know and people ask me, do you have to be certified to be an active member?

Speaker 3:29:17No, we don't, and no, absolutely not. That's another thing that I find so neat about this particular association is we talked about the luminaries. We've talked about the professors, we've talked about the doctors, we've talked about the writers, but what's cool is we also have student membership. If somebody is a student of interpreting, I don't mean just the math student or a literature student, but if you're, if you're studying at, at a degree program at a university or, or, or junior college to become an interpreter, translator, you know, we'll take you, we'll, we'll, we'll take you in and they give you great, great exposure at a much reduced rate. So what's really neat about our main conference, which we have once a year and this upcoming one will be in Nashville, uh, May 17th through the 19th of 2019, is that in that conference in one room you just learned about interpreting a month ago and has really has no clue like we all did at some point in our lives.

Speaker 3:30:13And then you have in the same room, someone who has literally written the book on judiciary interpreting and, and, and the amount of comradery and the networking and the support and the friendships that you build are really invaluable as you go from like you and I did. I was thinking when I came to Nigeria, I was, you know, just a fledgling. Just gotten certified. And now 14 years later, here we are. I think that that's something that's really needed and one of the things that I really appreciate about Nagid is I, it, you know, it, it, it welcomed me in when really I was quote unquote, you know, uh, nobody in the, in the field, but I think that I was able to become better at my profession and also become a better advocate for the profession because of magic. I will never forget when I first became certified complaining to my administrative office of the courts in Tennessee that judges were circumventing the supreme court rule that said that they had to appoint certified interpreters.

Speaker 3:31:16They were still using the bilingual person from, you know, across the street or the Spanish teacher. And when I called the AOC and I said, this is rob cruse, I'm a certified interpreter in Tennessee, and here's what's going on. They told me, well, you know, rob cruse the, uh, the judge rules the roost. That was the exact quote. The judge rules the roost. So there's not really much that we can do. We really don't have any teeth to enforce the Supreme Court rules. Um, interestingly enough, when I became involved with magic, one of my first involvement was I joined the advocacy committee, have magic and I, one of the initiatives around the country because that problem was an only inherent to Tennessee, was inherent all over the country. It was how do we, how do we put the weight of magic to try to fix this problem?

Speaker 3:31:59Because as you know, I always think we pushed so hard and so long for certification, we got it judges, we're not requiring it, which frustrates the person that went through all of the hoops to get there. And here's an example of exactly why Nagid is important because when I was able to call the same administrative office of the courts to the same coordinator, and now I was calling as a person from the International Associations Advocacy Committee, and I'd like to, I'd like to be able to send you this letter from the National Association of why it's crucial that certified certified interpreters take precedence. They listened. I mean they, they, they. But again, it's because it wasn't rob cruse the interpreter who's certified, who wants them to follow the rules so that he can make more money. It was actually the National Association saying this is the best thing because if you don't do this, the certified interpreter, they're gonna find something else to do and you've spent all this time and all this money with all certification schemes and you're not going to have any certified interpreters when you need them because they can't find any work.

Speaker 3:33:02And so that's just one example of how, you know, important and association like Nagid is. Yeah. And I agree with you and I think that all of us that have been in this business have had that frustration of trying to go as an individual and say and talk to judges and public defenders. And I remember when I first, uh, when we had a new public defender and, uh, he decided that he was no longer going to hire interpreters because, uh, he had bilingual staff and that means that he doesn't need any interpreters. And I went on to talk to a judge about it and the judge says, well, we can have a meeting with him, and he was very mad because he says, you're not going to tell me when you run for office and you win my decision. Then you can modify the policy again.

Speaker 3:33:52But then a few months later when there was the same presentation that I would have done for him in person, but it was a statewide training for administrators and judges. Then all of a sudden we had a the floor and all of a sudden everybody listened because we had access and nagid definitely gives us an access that we otherwise don't get. So I think it's important. I keep on telling our colleagues, if you want to be treated as a professional and get paid better than you do, because we all would like to see that happen. We need to have a strong association. That can be our voice because individually you're absolutely right. I mean if I just go to the court and say, can you pay me more? They're going to say no because johnny does it for less. Does it for less or whatever. So, uh, I think it is important to keep on pushing, uh, our membership and I, you know, I'm, I'm very glad to hear that you guys are going to be doing more webinars and police counters and if we can in any way participate and, and offer one of our webinars too, you guys will be happy to, um, at least will chip in that way.

Speaker 3:35:01And also know with our invitations, every time we do a seminar we always invite people to become members of Magid. I actually tell them all, if you go to navigate to the magic convention, you find me on Saturday, we'll take you salsa dancing too. And that's included in the price of the car because we, I don't know, but we've been doing this for years now and I think that the, it's, it's becoming a part of the tradition of going to united to go dancing at least one of the nights. It is. Absolutely. I completely agree. It's one of the things that a lot of people look forward to. And now for the couple of years that we have been organizing the conference, we've actually done a Zoomba in the morning as Zoomba clap and that's now taken off and people are probably. Yeah, exactly. So, uh, it's, yes, it's a fun thing and it's not, it's not all work.

Speaker 3:35:55That's another great thing about magic is, uh, we, we have a lot of fun members and we have a lot of comradery and like I said, everybody's so welcoming and inviting and that's one of the things that I really enjoy. I've been to other conferences for big associations where I, where it's very easy to feel like an outsider and I think with it doesn't feel that way at all. And I'm so thrilled with this new board of directors. The board of directors did a great job. Uh, they know many of them turned, some of them termed out, some of them had to move on to different things, but we have a new board that was a seated in June and they have a tremendous amount of energy and I think it's going to be a fantastic year. I'm sure it will be. An I am, if you could please repeat when the dates for the Nashville Convention or conference are, because we want everybody to go and as you know, we are going to sponsor again as we do every year a person to become a member of did and hopefully attend a conference this year.

Speaker 3:36:54So please tell us the dates again. I know it's an international event. It's going to be a big party, right? Yes. It's, it's actually imagined 40th annual conference and so it is, it is a big deal. It's going to be at the gaylord opryland which has its own self contained city. If someone does not wish to leave the property, they can. They never have to leave the property, but it's also about 10, maybe a 10 minute, 15 minute cab ride from downtown Nashville for anybody who wants to do the, uh, you know, the wild horse saloon and tootsies and all the things that, that Nashville is famous for, that's going to be very close. And that'll be May 17th, which will be our preconference. That's a Friday. And then the main conference will be the 18th and 19th of May of 2019. And so we hope, we hope to have a, a huge turnout.

Speaker 3:37:44Uh, you know, like I said, it is our 40th anniversary. So, uh, I think on our website at a magic Nij I t dot Org, I think our conference page, our save the date pages are up our call for proposals as a matter of fact, uh, went out just today, uh, as we speak. Uh, and so, uh, I think people can go online and they can start seeing where it's going to be. And, and even if there's folks out there listening that would like to participate in by, by presenting it, magic, uh, they'll be able to do that by submitting a proposal. Okay. Well, yeah, I do that and take it from me because I've participated as a presenter on many times. Then if you don't join in and you don't say in your paperwork on time, you might not even be considered so absolutely.

Speaker 3:38:30Um, make sure that you go to the website and if they call for papers is out, started thinking about where are going to submit. Exactly. Exactly. All right. Well, rob, I don't know if you have anything else to share with us. I really appreciate your time. I know that, uh, I know tech Cliche, but I know you are busy, so, uh, uh, if you have anything else to share with us, please do so and, uh, again, thank you very much for sharing your time with us and say please say hi to all the members of the board and your wife were running such a great organization and we'll see you if nothing else may of next year. Exactly. I was standing. I just want to thank you for the invitation and thank you for being such a good personal friend, uh, and, and also for all that you give back to the, to the profession, uh, you know, you are considered a luminary of by many, many people, myself included, but you are very selfless, uh, in, in, in what you give for the profession, not just an adjunct, but for the profession in general and anybody that's, that's coming up in the profession, you always are willing and able to give them a hand up.

Speaker 3:39:35And, uh, that's one of the reasons, like I told you before we got started that, uh, there's very few things you could ask me to do that I wouldn't do because I have that much, uh, admiration, respect, and fondness for you as a friend and a colleague and a, anytime you need me, you can count on me and, uh, thank you for being such a great friend of magic. And, uh, certainly will extend all of your, a wondrous offers including a potential for a Webinar, uh, to the board and the training and education committee. And I'm sure that even if we don't see each other before me, I'm sure that we'll be in touch. All right. Okay. Well thanks a lot. Thanks, Christine. Bye Bye. Take care. Bye. Bye.

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