C*ck & Ball Torture (CBT): Everything You Need to Know

A listener made a request and I got her the answers she desired and more. Today's Locker Room Talk & Shots Topic is Cock and Ball Torture (CBT. I'm joined by sex educator and marketing manager for Babeland Lisa Finn who helps me and my listeners understand everything about the CBT kink, from its psychological aspects to its physical techniques. This conversation includes various forms of stimulation and safety precautions. We delve deeper into techniques, progressing from beginners’ techniques like pinching and slapping to advanced methods such as pulling and pressure. We also spotlight different toys like cock rings and ball stretchers, and even more intense practices like urethral play. Lisa's insights ensure your initiation into this world is safe, consensual, and thrilling.
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Chapters

• 0:47 Exploring Cock and Ball Torture
• 17:49 Getting Started With CBT Techniques
• 28:01 Exploring Cock and Ball Stimulation
• 44:29 Cock and Ball Torture and BDSM Exploration
• 49:30 Exploring Urethral Play and CBT
• 58:49 Initiating and Understanding CBT and Aftercare
• 1:10:03 The Yes, No, Maybe List

Transcript

Annette Benedetti: 0:47

Hi, this is Annette Vinedetti, your hostess for a locker room talk and shots, the podcast that likes to think of itself as the queer NPR of raunchy women's sex talk. You are about to sit in on the kind of conversations women have on their girls' nights out or behind closed doors, while enjoying delicious drinks and dishing about sex, think fun, honest and feminist as fuck, and always with the goal of fighting the patriarchy. One female orgasm at a time. Welcome to the locker room. Today's locker room talk and shots topic is cock and ball torture by listener request.

Annette Benedetti: 1:35

I had a listener, a brave listener. Reach out to me to request cock and ball torture information podcast episode. And so listen, guys. You can scroll down to the description of this podcast. You will find a link to a voicemail where you can send me your questions and I will do episodes by request or I'll get your questions answered. But this question came at a particularly good time.

Annette Benedetti: 2:03

We are heading into October kink month, also locked over. If you've been around for any amount of time, you know that my most popular episodes tend to be about male chastity and locking up cocks. But we're next leveling the conversation and if you've been listening for any time at all you also know, in the episode about getting creative with cocks, my go to is to slap one. I don't know. I think that tells you a little bit about me. Don't do any of that without consent. But yeah, I'm not qualified to talk to you about cock and ball torture, but this is pretty exciting.

Annette Benedetti: 2:41

I have someone here who definitely definitely is is qualified to walk us through, you know, torturing cocks and balls, which I'm kind of shockingly surprised about. So my guest today is Lisa Finn. She is a Brooklyn based sex educator for Beyblend and sibling store Good vibes. She has been featured in publications such as the New York Times having them post, cosmo that's where I found you Forbes, gq and many more, and she's led dozens of workshops everywhere from Ivy Leagues to to nightclubs. Finn absolutely loves helping first timers to feel unashamed, to explore their curiosities, especially in kink, and she leases humor into education as a reminder that pleasure should always be fun, and we talk about that a lot on this podcast. But before I go any further, lisa, will you take a moment to introduce yourself to my listeners?

Lisa Finn: 3:43

Absolutely. Hi everyone. I'm so stoked to be here, so stoked to be talking about some CDT not, you know, cognitive behavioral therapy but I have been working as a sex educator with Beyblend now for over seven years. I also work with their sibling company, good Vibrations. So if you're out in San Francisco, good Vibes has been around since 1977, which is wild. Love that Beyblend is also celebrating our 30th anniversary this month actually.

Lisa Finn: 4:14

But I have worked in sex toy shops, like Annette was saying. I've taught workshops everywhere, from Columbia University to tying up people in a dive bar. I love just how vast this world of sex and kink and desire and pleasure is, and I think that's one of the reasons why I'm really excited to talk about this topic in particular, because this is such a divisive topic where some people are like, oh my God, no, no, no, no, and other people are like, yeah, yeah, please. So to introduce some people to something that might be really taboo is one of my favorite things to do. So I'm so, so stoked to be here. Thank you so much for having me.

Annette Benedetti: 4:58

I'm stoked to have you here too, and that is exactly what we love to do on this podcast. Now, listeners and usually I give you the rundown on why you should stick through to the end of a podcast for takeaways, but this whole episode is going to be a takeaway. So from the beginning to the end, we are going to give you the rundown on what CBT and I may use that a little bit more throughout this podcast, so that when I post videos they don't get shut down on me on what it is, why, why people want to do it, how to keep it safe, how to do it. We're even going to tell you what equipment you can use doing it. So you, just, you just want to stick around because this is going to be a fun conversation. So it is nine o'clock where I am, but, lisa, it's noon where you are we're still going to through. We're going to cheers in with some. I've got coffee. What do you do?

Lisa Finn: 5:56

I've got a shot of whiskey. She's got whiskey.

Annette Benedetti: 5:59

I've got vodka for the end and I will take my shot at the end. It's still nine AM, so I'm going to do coffee, maybe, maybe I'll just do a little housey and then you'll finish out. You'll finish off with me. Yeah, there we go. All right, let's cheers, let's get into it. Let's talk about cheers, let's just. I mean, let's just start with the definition. What is CBT? Cock and ball torture?

Lisa Finn: 6:26

Yeah, so CBT can stand for cock and ball torture, cock and ball torment. Some people prefer the word torment if they're talking a little bit more about the mental side of things rather than the physical side of things, and then some people will just refer to it as cock and ball play, so that's a little bit more overarching. It doesn't necessarily mean that there has to be any sort of like say no masochism involved, but essentially it is the. It is a sexual activity that involves the application of sensation, usually like a really intense sensation, commonly pain to the penis and testicles for the sake of pleasure. So, like I said, cbt focuses more on the physical aspect when we talk about it generally, but there is also that mental aspect. There's a lot of psychological stuff to it. So there's degradation, humiliation. In some cases there's a masculine, so all of these things sort of come together to form what CBT is overall.

Annette Benedetti: 7:29

Can we talk about some of the sensations or applications of sensations that are encompassed in CBT, because I know that there are a wide variety of sensations that can be applied to the cocks and the balls during this activity.

Lisa Finn: 7:48

Yeah, there is a huge, huge range of sensations.

Lisa Finn: 7:52

You can go from a more mild and I'm using air quotes here because everything is subjective when it comes to kink more mild sensations, so like using a feather tickling the balls, maybe wartenbee rg wheel, maybe using your nails to sort of scratch along the surface.

Lisa Finn: 8:10

Maybe it's something more intense, like adding pressure, impact play using hot wax, kicking ball busting is a very popular form of CBT, which is when you put intense impact or pressure, such as like stepping on the testicles. It could be over stimulation. So, holding a really powerful vibrator against the cock to the point where it gets overstimulated, you could do constriction play or even chastity play. You can do temperature play, you know, making the cock really cold or making the cock really warm. It can also get really intense physically with things like sounding, which is when you insert a rod into the urethra. It could be piercing play, it could be cutting. There are so many different ways to participate in CBT, but the overarching thing is some form of pain, some form of intense sensation or some form of degradation sort of involved in this, and that's why we say CBT, torture or torment as the acronym for it.

Annette Benedetti: 9:53

So it sounds like CBT really can be done at a multitude of levels, right from lighter sensations to like really intense urethral play, piercing, etc. Not to intimidate newcomers, you don't have to go for that. To be clear, it doesn't always include humiliation, it doesn't always include male chastity, but it's sort of like a choose your own adventure, is that?

Lisa Finn: 10:25

correct Absolutely. I mean, your CBT can be something as simple as I like to wear really, really tight underwear because I like that sensation of like feeling really compressed, feeling a lot of pressure it could be. I like the idea of someone threatening my cock, not actually doing anything to it. That could be a form of it. The scope is so, so vast and so broad that whatever made you want to listen to this today, whatever sort of inspired you, it probably falls under the umbrella of CBT.

Annette Benedetti: 11:01

I like the idea of threatening a cock. I mean, this is a whole new, like I never even thought about threatening. I'm totally thinking about threatening cocks right now.

Lisa Finn: 11:10

Oh yeah All right?

Annette Benedetti: 11:12

Well, just found a new kink that I have. So the next question I have for you is why would a man or a penis and cock and ball owner want to do this? What is the draw?

Lisa Finn: 11:32

Yeah. So when we're talking about the physical sensations, any sort of intense sensation, it's going to give you that endorphin rush, that adrenaline rush. Especially when paired with arousal, all of these sensations are going to feel even more intense. There's that pain for pleasure sort of situation that definitely holds hands here with sadomasochism Also. It's super taboo.

Lisa Finn: 11:57

So you know, the idea of liking getting hit in the balls, the idea of liking someone telling you that you're a tiny penis man, whatever it is, that's getting you off, that's taboo.

Lisa Finn: 12:09

You know, a lot of people feel, might feel a sense of shame around it, but that's what makes it hot for them. It's that nice little horseshoe of shame coming background into empowerment For some people, like we were saying, the degradation, liking someone being cruel to them in this aspect, liking the power dynamic of submitting, or having someone sort of take that control over you. For some folks it could be an emasculation thing or a sophistication thing, or, on the other end of it, it could be an adoration of masculinity, right, how much can you handle, how much can you take? How strong is your cock, how strong are your balls? So again, that big spectrum. There there could be sort of like a predatory sense to it right the idea of feeling helpless, this idea of having something that is so intimate, something that is so delicate, in somebody else's hands maybe, you know, actually physically in their hands and sort of playing with the idea of this being something that is a delicate part of the body and so the risk that comes with it as well.

Annette Benedetti: 13:30

Right, that makes sense to me. I mean, I'm in. It makes sense to me. Now, I think you really covered a broad spectrum of reasons. It doesn't have to be one thing, right. I think people tend to take kinks like this and think, oh, it means this about somebody. But there can be just so many things that can be empowering, it, can be letting go of control. There's just a lot of things that can draw somebody to it. So I think an obvious question is is CBT safe?

Lisa Finn: 14:07

It is if you do it correctly. So there are a lot of safety things to consider, but the first and foremost is going to be that consent right. So there is an acronym called rack, which stands for risk aware consensual kink, because CBT has so many physical aspects to it. Again, depending on what you're doing, if you're tickling somebody, this may be on a much gentler side of the risk, but you know, if you're sounding or piercing somebody, that can have a very high risk. So you want to make sure that you're going through the scene negotiation. You're talking about what everybody's expectations are and levels are, especially because this topic has so many things that I couldn't compass. You're going to want to discuss aftercare as well. That's going to be really important, not only for the dynamic between you and your partner but also for, you know, physical relief making sure that you're taking care of your body afterwards. You know, do you need to ice it? Do you need to take some time to prevent any injury that you didn't want to happen, with this sort of realm of consent as well, talking about what it's going to look like for your partner to react. So for some folks, the yelping, the whimpering, the screaming, the crying, the whining. That's part of it. That's their reaction to this and that's something that they want to have as a reaction. But for some people that could be the flag of oh no, we've gone too far. So you want to go ahead and discuss that beforehand? Cdt is something that really really needs.

Lisa Finn: 15:45

Safe words or safe actions if the person has the ability to go, or the potential, rather, to go nonverbal, so like holding a squeaky toy, a ring of keys that they could throw, tapping somebody out like they're wrestling and the top is responsible for this to checking in, maybe asking colors, if you want to do color safe words so like hey, what's your color? Red, stop. Yellow, slow down, green. This feels great, keep going. And then there is the physical risk as well. Right, yeah, so the testicles themselves, like inside the scrotal sack, those are going to be super delicate, the scrotal sack not as much and I can talk about that a little bit more when we're talking about ways to play with the balls but erectile tissue as well, so like the shaft of the dick.

Lisa Finn: 16:32

Peyronie's disease is a disease that results in it's interesting that they use the word disease, but I'm not a medical doctor it's a condition that results from scar tissue that develops on the penis from an injury, usually during sex, and that can cause curved or painful erections.

Lisa Finn: 16:51

So that's something that you want to be mindful of. Testicular torsion, which is, you know, the twisting of the testicles inside the scrotal sack, that can be a very critical condition if not taken care of, and there is also the potential for testicles to rupture. Beyond that infection, if you're cutting or piercing anything like that, if you're binding for a while, you want to look out for a loss of feeling, discoloration, swelling, cbt. You really do need to be into with your body Again, because with that adrenaline and those adoraphans that are rushing through your system when you're experiencing this can make your pain tolerance a little bit higher. So you want to make sure you're not using numbing creams or anything that could prevent your body signal of hey, we need to stop, there's bad pain going on here. You don't want to disrupt any of that.

Annette Benedetti: 17:49

Right. So I guess I would add in like getting inebriated and participating in this kind of event is a no, no, like sobriety or close to sobriety needs to be had, I assume.

Lisa Finn: 18:02

Yeah, absolutely, especially if you're just sort of stepping into it, if this is your first time experiencing it, because these are really unique sensations and again, with that adrenaline, you want to make sure that you have a good read of your body, a good read of those responses.

Annette Benedetti: 18:19

Okay, that's excellent advice.

Annette Benedetti: 18:23

So, yes, it's potentially dangerous, but if you know what you're doing and you start out slow and you remember all the rules of consent which we talk about all the time here, it can be safe and enjoyable.

Annette Benedetti: 18:38

So I want to start just launching into techniques and approaches to CBT and what I will say to listeners is, after we kind of go through dipping your toe in the water, then like getting into it, and then some advanced level conversations around how to perform CBT. At the end of this podcast we will be talking about, if this has piqued your interest, whether you're someone who wants to do it to your partner or you're a person who has a cock and wants to experience it. We'll be talking about how are you going to go from this podcast to opening the conversation with your partner, because it can be awkward, right, if you haven't already been in conversation with your partner about kink. But for right now, let's dive in. For somebody who is just now realizing they're interested in participating in CBT, what is your advice for getting started? What are some beginner techniques and even toys or equipment that might be appropriate?

Lisa Finn: 19:48

Yeah, I really liked what you said about starting slow, because that's going to be. You want to take the time to learn these sensations. So, starting slow and building up gradually. We come equipped with a lot of really great tools for CBT. You know our hands, our fingers, our nails, mouths, teeth, feet, feet is a big one for CBT People that like being stepped on or maybe having someone squish their balls or their penis between their feet. That is a huge fetish.

Lisa Finn: 20:19

Here and there's, you know, the mind tools. So the threat, the illusion of threat, humiliation, denial, helplessness, tease. So when you're starting off with CBT, if you're working with a partner and that idea of that power and that control is something that turns you on, have them threaten you, have them tell you what they would like to do so you can gauge what is peaking your interest and take it from there, make the dialogue part of the play. You know, using dirty talk as a form of consent, as a form of checking in, is something that can really keep you in the headspace and it could be a really good way to sort of determine in that moment if you're like all right, broad scope CBT. I know I want to try it, but I'm not sure particularly what pieces are of interest to me. That could be a really good way to facilitate that conversation.

Annette Benedetti: 22:23

All right, so now you've gotten some threatening. And you're kind of ready to take it to the next level. What are some actual applications of torture that you could start with?

Lisa Finn: 22:41

Yeah, so I mentioned before that the testicles are the things that are really the most delicate part of that. So when we think about the balls being super delicate and this is actually where a lot of people realize that they have this kink thinking about the easiest way to injure someone with a penis, you're going to think about kicking them in the balls, right, so that that's sort of like doubled over from a light tap sort of idea. The nerve endings that go from the testicular area go, like all the way deep into the groin, so that is a pain that resonates really deep inside the body. The scrotal skin, however, is very akin to the skin of the interleavia. So if you want to put pressure on it, say, you're going to use like the pads of your fingers, you can really like squeeze, and actually I know we're both wearing headphones, but the ear lobe is also a really good way to sort of like touch and feel this sensation. So if you're listening and you want to sort of like pinch your ear lobe with flat fingers, you could put like a lot, a lot of pressure on it and you're going to be able to feel it, but it's not going to be painful. But if you go ahead and use your nails or if you use your teeth, you're going to be able to feel that.

Lisa Finn: 23:58

So, playing with pinching, playing with pressure, starting off on that scrotal skin and seeing how it feels, tugging the feeling of having weight tugging against the body is something that's super popular in CBT and then extreme pressure, so maybe giving somebody a handjob and really beginning to squeeze down on it as you go, again adding pressure a little bit at a time so that you can sort of like gauge how it feels Pulling sensations, pinching sensations and then from there realizing like, oh okay, the thing that I really liked that you did was that compression. I really liked that sensation of like having my cock squished, or the pinching. I really liked that sensation of something sharp on me, the pulling I really like the sensation of that weight. We could do all these things with our hands and our mouths to decide from there where we want to take it. Slapping is also a really popular way to get started.

Annette Benedetti: 24:59

It is.

Lisa Finn: 25:01

Spanking tools right here on the ends of our arms, but you can also use other impact play tools. So I have in my hands it's called the motivator crop, and the end of this crop is longer and thinner than most riding crops. It is not quite a cane or a switch, but because the tip is thinner you're going to get a more precise hit. So that could be really good for playing with the cock and balls, because it is, you know, in comparison to other places where you may spank on the body, it is a smaller area, so, having something that's more confined, you'll really be able to target where on the cock or the balls you're hitting. Also, this is made out of leather, so it's got a really good sting to it even if you only hit lightly.

Lisa Finn: 25:57

And for a lot of people the sound as well is something that's really hot. So this actually has two pieces of leather that slap together, so I'm not even hitting my hands that hard, but it's making a nice loud noise. So, using a crop, starting slow, sort of like tapping just gently, and then building up, so you can tease your partner with this, threatening them just by the look of the crop, maybe you give it a couple of swings in your hand first to get that anticipation going before actually bringing it down on them. You can switch up, make a little pattern like light, light, slap, light slap, not let them know when it is coming next, again building that anticipation. But using a tool like an impact tool on the crop could be a really good way to get started, because you do have a lot of control with this, because it's in your hands. It's not something that you're relying on the tool completely to do the work.

Annette Benedetti: 26:59

You still have complete control of this, which means that you can really pace yourself and read your partner as you go and you can go to YouTube Annette Benedetti, my YouTube channel and you can actually see all of the products she's going to be sharing with us so that you can have that visual piece. We will do our best for just listeners to describe them, but you're going to want to run over and see these tools. I will also make sure you guys have a full list of where to get the tools in a follow-up article.

Lisa Finn: 27:29

So on to the next Awesome yeah, so balls, right, balls, Ball torture. The balls are definitely going to be a big highlight of this. Actually, when we talk about CBT, a lot of the stuff that people are referring to really do focus on the balls, and again, it's because they're so delicate, it's because that's where the taboo lies. So there are a lot of toys called ball stretchers. So I have two here. This one that I'm holding is called the Sila Skin and it is basically two thicker cock rings that are attached to one another. So one of the rings will go around the shaft of the penis. My lovely little stunt dick here will go around the shaft of the penis, just like a cock ring. So it'll go all the way to the base. And then the second ring. Now, mind you, this is a silicone dildo, so the balls can't really stretch away from the body, as is meant to happen with a toy like this. But essentially you put that second ring between the balls and the shaft, so where the balls hang from the shaft, and again, a little bit hard to show on a silicone cock, but what that's going to do is it's going to pull the balls away from the body. So for some folks, that can give that extra stimulation, that weight where it feels like something's like pulling it away from the body. It can also intensify orgasm because it is keeping the balls sort of down, further away from the body. But for most folks before they come the balls will tuck up a little bit. So having that sort of restriction in keeping those balls down, now this one looks pretty intense. So for folks that are listening in, it kind of looks like two tires, but it's actually super, super squishy. So it's really really soft. It's still going to give you that pressure of holding the balls down from the body because of how thick it is, but it's not going to be super rigid. So if this is a sensation that you're not really sure about, having something that is soft and squishy is still going to do the job. But it's not going to be a severe sensation like some ball stretchers that are made out of hard silicone. Are there even some that are made out of plastic or metal. So using a squishy material first to sort of see how you like it, it's still going to do that job of keeping the balls pulled away from the body, of giving that sensation of stretching.

Lisa Finn: 31:17

These come in all different sizes, like there are ones that are like this. One, comparatively, is decently thin despite the fact that it's just under an inch, but there are ones that are a couple of inches long. There are ones that have tethers to them, ones that have weights again anything to sort of pull the balls away from the body to give that sensation. There are folks that also stretch their balls. Over time They'll sort of use this as a way to stretch the skin, almost like folks that stretch their earlobes. Again, comparing things to earlobes, anybody that's listening with an ear fetish right now, you're welcome. So, ball stretching there's also ball stretchers that are separators.

Lisa Finn: 32:05

So what I'm holding in my hand right now almost looks like a triple cock ring. So there is the ring up top. Again, wearing this like a cock ring, you could put this at the base of the cock. Some people like to wear it a little bit further up on the cock so that the balls are pulled towards the head of the cock. So you get stretching not only downwards but forwards as well, adding that extra sensation. This one has two loops, so you actually individually put each testicle through each loop. So not only is it stretching it down away from the body, but it's also separating those testicles, so you get the stretch of the scrotal skin and the testicles themselves. Again, a really, really simple tool. It's nothing intimidating. This is again just a piece of silicone that's split into three sort of compartments, but the sensation that it provides is really intense because of how delicate that area is. So, even though this may not look like a heavy CDT device for you, it might feel like it, just depending on how your body reacts to those sensations.

Annette Benedetti: 33:18

Yeah, you're going to want to go check those out. That looks like a great introduction to getting involved with the balls and stretching them and they aren't intimidating devices and I love that. Again, you're going to want to go and check this out on YouTube because you'll see that they are very stretchy. If you just kind of looked at them on a website to buy, they would look very small and you'd be like how the hell would I get that over a cock or balls bet. But you can see in the demonstration that it is very soft and stretchy and would be a great way to start dipping your toe in the water of the cock and ball stretching.

Lisa Finn: 34:01

So yeah, and even then the pressure is something that a lot of people find hot about this. Super simple you could just go with a cock ring and that could be a CDT tool, a tighter cock ring. So I have here in my hands this is called the ahoy and it's a little bit less stretchy than other cock rings and a little bit more thick than other cock rings, so you can really feel pressure with this one. I also love this one because it's super affordable I think it's like 15 bucks. So you can wear this on the tip towards the head if you want to put pressure towards the head of the penis, towards the back. If you want to wear it like a regular cock ring, you can slip the balls through, get creative with where you put this, because that sensation of pressure is what you would sort of be looking for by using a tool like this.

Lisa Finn: 34:57

So your cock rings. Talking about safety again, your cock rings, you want them to be snug. You know, even if we're not talking about CBT, you want your cock ring to be snug so that it works, so that it helps trap that blood flow, but you don't want it to cut off the circulation. Even if you are playing with CBT. You do not want to cut off the circulation to your dick, especially not for prolonged periods of time. So, keeping in mind snug tight even, but not cutting off your circulation. We want constriction, not destruction, if you will.

Annette Benedetti: 35:35

Right. No, don't destroy it because you're going to want to torture it again, right.

Lisa Finn: 35:40

Yeah, that would be like the end, all be all. It's like, oh, I like the idea of castration. Well, you do it once.

Annette Benedetti: 35:47

That's it. It's all over, right. So now you have the cock and ball stretched. What comes next?

Lisa Finn: 35:57

Yeah. So from there you can, like I said, sort of like tug at it, add weight or add sensation from there. So you've got yourself in these devices. The balls are being pulled away from the body, so you already have that sensation. This is where you can add in other sensations on top of it the squeezing, the pressing, the using and impact, joy, the adding in some hot wax, if you want the psychological aspect of it, telling someone how they look in it.

Lisa Finn: 36:31

You know whether we're incorporating praise here and being nice or we're getting degrading with it. Telling them maybe they have a degradation thing around the size of their penis, maybe they have a degradation thing about how their balls look, using whatever language it is. That is part of the dynamic that you've discussed beforehand. Wearing that for a prolonged period of time. Again, if you have something that's softer, as long as it's not like cutting off any circulation, you can wear that for as long as you'd like. That can be. You know, and when I say that I'm talking about one of the softer ones you don't want to keep yourself in a tight cock ring for longer than, like I'd say, 20 minutes at a time. If you're starting off even shorter, you want to make sure that you're being careful Again. Your genitals are sensitive, they are delicate, but from there you can incorporate other types of sensation. These can sort of be accessories, if you will, if you just like sort of the aesthetic of it or that could be the main course of your CVT is that ball stretching into it?

Annette Benedetti: 37:49

What about a man who has had a vasectomy? Will that change how you treat the balls? Does it change the sensation or is it the same either way?

Lisa Finn: 38:01

So the sensation is very much so, with all the nerve endings. So you're still going to have all those nerve endings there after a vasectomy. But you do want to be a little bit more cautious, especially if they've had the vasectomy more recently, because there are stitches in there that you don't want to undo. You don't want to put pressure on something that's healing. But overall, the sensations you'll still be able to feel everything. You'll still be able to experience this and enjoy this, if it is for you.

Annette Benedetti: 38:31

OK, all right. So overall, it doesn't take away from once healed, it doesn't take away from the enjoyment of CBT. So, moving into more intermediate, we've stretched the balls, we put the stretcher on, we've learned. Maybe we've gotten the crop and slapped the cock around a little bit. It sounds super fun. What are some additional tools? Sensations? I assume we can bring in restraints, because in my mind the person's already restrained, although that, apparent, probably doesn't need to be the case. Just in my imagination that's what's happening.

Lisa Finn: 39:12

Oh yeah, you can absolutely restrain the person. You can also tie up the cock. So you do want to make sure that you are using something thinner, so usually bonded rope. It is a little bit thicker, but using something that is thinner, maybe like a shoelace, could be a good place to start. Or using something that's super, super easy to untie A tie like a neck tie or a silk tie that could be something that could be great to restrain because it's soft.

Lisa Finn: 39:46

You have a little bit of give to it. Also, just the look and feel of it Silk could be really, really hot. There are a lot of folks that enjoy the sensation of silk, so much so that it is a fetish. For other people it's just silk. Lingerie could be really hot. But wrapping the cock not even necessarily tying, so just almost like you're mummifying the cock so this will be really easy to come undone afterwards because you could just spiral it out or slip out the cock. But you can add a lot of pressure just when you're putting it on, just feeding it around the cock.

Lisa Finn: 40:27

You can also go ahead and put a vibrator in there. So maybe you want to put a high powered vibrator against the phrenulum, which is super sensitive. So for folks that don't know where the phrenulum is, that are listening, it is a hotspot right on the underside of the penis, where the crown of the penis, where the head meets the shaft. So it is a little bit of webbing. If you are someone that is circumcised, that piece of webbing might have been cut off during circumcision.

Lisa Finn: 41:01

But it's not the webbing itself, it's the nerve endings that are underneath it. So even if you don't have that bit of webbing, the phrenulum can still be super sensitive. So maybe tying a super strong vibrator to that super sensitive area and using that as a form of overstimulation. Bondage tape is also really good here because it only sticks to itself, which is nice, but it can give that look and that feel of being bound by something that is unable to be gotten out of. It looks like duct tape, which could be really hot, especially if you're integrating any sort of captive play or something like that. If you are a person with a latex fetish as well, it kind of looks latex-y.

Annette Benedetti: 41:54

Oh, you should see this, guys. So I am not familiar with bondage tape. I don't know why I'm not. It is super sexy. And you're saying that it doesn't stick to the skin.

Lisa Finn: 42:04

No, yeah, it just sticks to itself. So I'm kind of hard to do this with. So I am Italian, so I have a decent amount of hair on my arms, but you could see it's sticking to itself. So I'm tugging at it and it's not coming loose, but when I take it off it just falls right off my skin. So bondage tape? It straight up looks like a roll of electrical tape or a roll of duct tape, but it is made out of a type of PVC so it only adheres to itself and you can reuse it, which is nice. You can see mine. I've undone it and redone it a bunch of times, so it's a little bit wrinkly but it still will stick to itself for however long you want.

Lisa Finn: 42:50

I also really like bondage tape for anything, because you can use it anywhere on the body. You can use it as a blindfold. You can use it for a long time Again, sort of like wrapping somebody's entire body. You can use it as fetish wear. I've worn bondage tape as like a bra, almost to go to a party. The only place that you don't want to put bondage tape is over your mouth, because it can sort of get stuck there almost like a plastic bag. So you don't want to use that as a gag for a way to sort of suppress anybody's breathing.

Lisa Finn: 43:24

But yeah, bondage tape on a cock could be really good, especially if you are a little bit weary about getting it off. Bondage tape is easy to rip, so you can get out of that pretty quickly, whereas if you are using rope, if you're tying knots, don't do a square knot or a hitch knot or whatever fancy knots that you learned bondage on other parts of the body. Just do like a grandma knot or like a bunny ear knot, like you're tying your shoelaces, so that you can get out of it very easily, because you don't have the same ability, like with other parts of the body, to grab a pair of safety scissors and cut it off, because you don't want to accidentally cut the cock, especially if the person becomes flaccid. It's a whole big to do. So if you are playing with bondage on the cock and you don't have that experience yet, go for a silk tie, go for a shoelace and do a little grandma knot that you can easily just pull to get out of. Use some bondage tape, do something that you could get out of pretty easily.

Lisa Finn: 44:30

So, yeah, bondage on the cock on the balls as well, again, wrapping them, putting that sensation of tightening them together. There's actually this as well this is called a bull bag, so it almost looks like a little pouch, which I mean. It is a little pouch made out of a stretchy silicone that you put your balls in and it's going to weigh them down. So this is also sort of like a ball stretching thing, but it's also a constriction thing. So you have your balls inside this and you can feel the pressure of the little pouch sort of holding in your balls together. So that is a bull bag.

Annette Benedetti: 45:16

That's hot. Yeah, that's new to me. Like I'm just like I thought I knew a lot and I don't know shit. That's what I'm realizing right now.

Lisa Finn: 45:28

Yeah, there are so many tools and these are. These are tools that are specifically designed with CBT in mind Something like a ball spreader, something like a ball bag, but any sort of BDSM device. You can get creative with it, you know, like bondage, like using a crop you were talking about Loctober. Another form would be a chastity cage. So some people will argue that, like, chastity doesn't belong in CBT. I will argue against them and say let people do what they want, but with a chastity cage in the realm of CBT, we're talking about either taking something away from them so again bringing it back into the more psychological aspect of it, as is what to happen with chastity or compression. So, especially if someone gets an erection while they are in chastity, they're going to feel that pressure against the cock, against the balls.

Lisa Finn: 46:35

The one that I have here is made out of a silicone blend, so it's actually it's pretty squishy, so you do have room in this, but it is still going to keep the cock down. So the one that I'm holding up is made out of silicone. It's got the little space for the balls to go through. It's also got a hole at the tip for if someone is going to come, or maybe, if you want to incorporate some urethral play as well. But another reason why I like soft chastity cages is because you can still add more sensation outside of it. So you can have somebody in this chastity cage and still put pressure against the cock, you can still slap it, you can put vibration against it and they're going to be able to feel everything despite the fact that they're still having their erection held down, that they're still having that compress Chastity. Also, if we are using something that's not squishy, if we're using something that is made out of metal or a hard plastic, again that compression is going to be part of that play. That's hot.

Annette Benedetti: 47:43

So I will say one thing I've learned about myself is I love the look of a cock and a cock cage. It's like one of just the hottest things that I've ever seen.

Annette Benedetti: 47:54

I had no idea that I would find it. For me it's like lingerie on a penis owning person and I don't want to stray off topic, which is cock and ball torture. But I'm curious about your thoughts on one of the challenges with cock cages I've found is finding the right size. Do you think starting with something that's soft like that offers that kind of benefit?

Lisa Finn: 48:24

Yeah, absolutely Especially because it does have that stretch to it. If you put it on and you're like, oh, this is a little bit too loose for me or oh, I realized that I have to stretch this. The great thing about cock cages is that they will almost all have the measurements on them, and it's one thing to measure your own cock. It's a little bit harder to do it when you're flaccid. It's another thing to actually see how it feels on the body, just like you know, for folks that go broad shopping. Right, you could know your size, but sometimes the cup's a little bit too big, sometimes the strap's a little bit too tight. It's going to be the same thing with a cock cage, because you have to consider the opening itself, the shaft length If you are someone with, like, a mushroom tip where your head's a little bit bigger than your shaft, keeping all these things in consideration when you're shopping, definitely starting off with a soft cage to see how it feels, although you can't lock this up.

Lisa Finn: 49:21

So Locktober has to be more of an idea or a fantasy or, you know, you could put a lock on this. It's not going to be effective, but maybe just for the look. For the look, yeah. So can we talk a little bit?

Annette Benedetti: 49:32

about urethral play. First of all, I'm going to assume that urethral play is something that you need to like take a class in before you do. I don't know, can you talk to me? I don't know. Can you talk to me about that?

Lisa Finn: 49:50

I would definitely, definitely suggest taking some form of class first. There are professional doms, dominatrixes, that will host these classes. A lot of them do it virtually very convenient, but you want to make sure that you know what you're doing. You want to make sure that you are starting small and starting slow. So even if the idea of, let's say, we're talking about sounding right, the idea of putting in like a very large capitol, that's something that you're like, ooh, that looks so good to me, still start small.

Lisa Finn: 50:27

There are sounding kits that will have ranges of sizes of sounders. So, again, these are little rods that are rounded on both ends, usually made out of metal, that you would use to insert urethrally. You also want to make sure that you are playing very, very sterile. So hands are washed, tools are washed. Maybe we're using nitrile or latex gloves to make sure that everything stays nice and sterile, because this is going into the body. This is going into a very sensitive and delicate part of the body. So taking your time with it, using a little bit of lubricant if you need to and making sure that you pee afterwards. If there is a huge tip that I'm going to give for folks that want to get into sounding, it's make sure that you pee afterwards. But you definitely don't want to hop into this without having that training or at least reading up on it. It's not something that you want to dive into without knowing.

Lisa Finn: 51:36

A lot of folks that get into sounding are interested in it because maybe they've had that medical experience whether they are someone in the medical field or they've had a catheter put in for some reason before so sort of having that experience. If it is something that maybe you have experienced outside of the kink world, that experience is great to have under your belt. No pun intended, but definitely do some reading. There are a lot of dangers that could come with it. On the same realm piercing. So piercing even more so because we're actually putting something through the skin. We're actually doing something that could draw blood, making sure really, really sterile.

Lisa Finn: 52:19

You know what you're doing. You're aware of where major nerve endings are. You're aware of where it needs to be placed on the body. These are all things that you should take your time with first, and also don't learn how to do these things when you're already, like in the bedroom. Things are already going. You want to take the time to do your research beforehand because if you are horny and you're just like, all right, got to learn it now, you're probably not going to retain everything that you need to Do your prep, learn your stuff, prep your tools, make sure that everything is clean, sanitary, ready to go. Start slow, start small. Can we talk about somewhere?

Annette Benedetti: 53:04

between intro where just stretching some balls and slapping them a little bit and piercing them, the in between, do you have any toys products approaches you would suggest for someone who's like all right, I already know I'm into this and my partner is into it, but we've kind of just been doing one-on-one stuff and we want to up the level, but then what we see out there is people doing some crazy stuff and we're not ready for that. So the in between thoughts suggestions.

Lisa Finn: 53:41

Yeah, nipple clamps or clothespins, that is something that is super popular. It has that look to it as well. So this is also something that you can add slowly to it, whether adding slowly is to be able to again gauge that level of pain, gauge where that tolerance level is, or just sort of teasing someone, just slowly adding a pin or a clamp as you go, and then you can absolutely cover the entire cognitive. Remember I was talking to someone once who said that she had made her partner's cock look like a blooming onion from Outback's Steakhouse because it was just all rows and rows and rows of clothespins just sticking out from it. So that could be a way to play with a more intense sensation.

Lisa Finn: 54:34

Wax play is another one, temperature play so maybe like running an ice cube up and down the cock before adding another sort of sensation to it Electrosim, another thing that you want to. You want to do your research ahead of time. So using a tens unit on the cock or on the balls for a lot of people, using Electrosim on the head of the penis, on the glands of the penis, because it is so, so sensitive, there's so many nerve endings up there. You, there are Eastam devices that you can actually buy that are particularly for the cock.

Annette Benedetti: 55:11

There are Eastam cock cages, there are Eastam strokeers, will you take a moment to describe what Eastam is for my list?

Lisa Finn: 55:20

Yeah, so Eastam is electro stimulation, so it's actually Putting Electropulses, so like tiny little shocks, into the system. So the device that I referred to earlier at tens unit, it has these little Pads that conduct the electricity, that they have the electricity go through. So you adhere these pads to the body and then you turn on the device and you're going to be able to feel that Very light electrocution. It's not electrocution like you've stuck a fork in an outlet. It is a buzzy, tingly sensation that you can increase. So tens units are actually used medically to stimulate muscle growth. I actually am using one medically right now.

Lisa Finn: 56:09

It was funny when they gave it to me I was like I know how to use this, thanks. But it engages all those muscles, it lights up all of those nerve endings. So, using electrostim and then following up with something else. So, again, starting with that intense stimulation and then moving to something like squeezing, pinching, slapping, whatever it is that you want to get into. The same thing with temperature, right, using hot wax or running an ice cube up and down the shaft or on the balls, and then adding that extra sensation. What you're doing is you're igniting all those nerve endings, right, you're getting them ready. You're getting them prepared, you're getting all of that blood flow rushed to the area so that every single sensation is gonna feel more intense.

Annette Benedetti: 56:56

Does any of this end with sex and orgasm?

Lisa Finn: 57:00

Oh, absolutely. There are plenty of people that can get off just from CBT play. Now, mind you, some CBT play does restrict erection or Could cause erection to just not happen, but you can still have an orgasm without an erection. But you can also use this as a form of foreplay. For sure, you can keep yourself in a ball stretcher while having penetrative sex. You can be wearing a cock ring while having penetrative sex. You could be doing something to over stimulate yourself. So Maybe having a partner use like a powerful vibrator. So I'm holding up a magic wand mini right now, holding a powerful vibrator against the perineum while you're doing other activities Incorporating CBT, with a blowjob or a handjob, you can really use this at any point in your play. It could be the main course, it could be an appetizer, it could be the dessert, but again With the understanding that some of these activities will restrict the ability for someone to get or maintain an erection.

Annette Benedetti: 58:17

All right, all right, all right. Do you have any sort of final Suggestions, comments, tidbits of information you want to give listeners who are here to find out about CBT?

Lisa Finn: 58:32

Yeah, do not be afraid to get taboo with it, as long as you're playing safely. You know I have my box of tools over here and I just keep on looking at one of them that I didn't bring up, which is my own shoe. You know, thinking about things like having somebody step on you, so getting creative with it, understanding risks, understanding that. You know there there are going to be risks with a lot of different BDSM acts, especially if it's sadomasochism, because that pain for pleasure, pain, is obviously our body's way of letting us know that something isn't right. Even you know, if we're consenting to it, we want to know those, those levels. But, um, you know, whatever feels good and right for you, you can still call it CBT.

Lisa Finn: 59:25

If it's just someone you know sort of scratching your shaft with their nails For somebody, they may think like, oh no, that's, that's vanilla as hell. If that feels like CBT to you, if that feels like that intense sensation, if it makes you feel like that's a form of torment or torture or that intense play, then that counts. If you are someone that's doing urethral sounding while wearing a tens unit, while having someone you know Call you names, that's also CBT. Don't feel like these different ways to participate. Come in any sort of level, wherever you feel good doing it, that's enough. Don't feel like you're, you know, not able to handle whatever, because it's not about that. It's about what makes you feel good. Do you have any favorite toys?

Annette Benedetti: 1:00:15

you want to share with us. Like your, your like faves.

Lisa Finn: 1:00:24

Um, I Love this one. So what I'm holding right now is a bullet vibrator. This is the we vibe tango x, and the reason why I love this one so much is because it could do so many different things. I showed this before, when I was Binding the cock and putting a really powerful vibrator against it, using this against the head of a penis, using this on a clitoris, using this on nipples. I think that everyone should have a good bullet vibrator in their artillery, no matter what your kink, no matter what you're into, because you could get really creative with something this simple. So this is this is my uh, you know top recommendation. For someone that's just like I just want a tool, this would be it. Well, that lube, but right lube.

Annette Benedetti: 1:01:14

Always, always, have lube. Briefly, before we move into how someone brings this conversation to their partner Aftercare can you throw down some? I mean, aftercare is so important and I don't always do the best job at the end of my conversations of going back to aftercare. It's something in our society that's definitely not Promoted enough. But especially after and and aftercare should be, in my opinion, after any sort of Intimate certainly BDSM activity. Can you give some advice on some aftercare for, specifically, cbt and even things you should have on hand just in case in the aftercare experience?

Lisa Finn: 1:02:03

Absolutely so. Ask your partner what they may need afterwards If they don't know. You know a lot of people think like aftercare, like, oh, you know, I'm gonna, I'm gonna need a massage, I'm gonna need someone to bring me a Gatorade, I'm gonna need, you know, an ice pack, whatever it is. These are all things that could be great for aftercare, but it could also be as simple as do you need to be left alone for a little bit afterwards? Do you need to make sure that I'm there for you? If maybe we were doing something that had some intense emotions going on, so maybe I have just been absolutely degrading the hell out of you for the past hour Do you now need me to hold you and give you praise and remind you that I don't actually feel those things towards you? That it's part of this role play. Do you need soft touch to come back down and this is something that I like to remind folks that aftercare is not just for your bottom. If your top has been like using a flogger or something and going and going and going, maybe they need their shoulder rubbed. Maybe they need to be told that they did a good job. So taking your time to know what you need your environment to look like, what you need your partnership to look like, so what you need that dynamic to come back to, and then the physical aspects of it.

Lisa Finn: 1:03:29

So, after you get up to pee, do you need an ice pack? Do you need to lay down? Maybe take a while before you put on your ice pack. Or do you need to lay down, maybe take a while before you put on pants or anything that's restrictive? Maybe let your body come back to being able to spread out, especially if you've been in chastity or you've been doing a lot of constriction play Like allowing your body the time to not go back into something that can compress it again.

Lisa Finn: 1:04:03

Allowing yourself the time to make sure that any and all sensation is coming back the way that it should. Pain killers after a session again, give yourself the time to make sure that you can feel everything. Don't take pain killers before a session, because we're talking about you want to make sure that your pain receptors are on, that you could pay attention and listen to your body. Hydration as well. After we do something intense, especially with all that adrenaline and everything going through our system, even if we were just weighing there and taking it, keeping hydrated can be really important to make sure that our body is able to rebalance itself out. We're able to reground ourselves as well.

Annette Benedetti: 1:04:46

What are some red flags or warning signs in your aftercare where you might be like oh, perhaps this is, perhaps something went too far, maybe we should go see a doctor.

Lisa Finn: 1:05:03

Discoloration. So looking out for discoloration, looking out for not having sensation coming back right away. If you were doing ball play in which both of the balls were getting the same amount of attention, but you're noticing unilateral pains, you're only noticing pain on one side of the balls, like only one testicle, that is something that could be a red flag, because you may have experienced testicular torsion or you may have had a little bit too much compression on one. If you notice that there's any bleeding or bruising or anything like that, it happens, especially if you're doing any sort of cutting, piercing, impact play, but watching how those heal. So this is not just like, okay, we're in the bed afterwards, I'm talking like couple days down the line, watching how they heal, watching how you feel the next time that you get an erection. Do you notice that there is pain that wasn't there before? So this is also a little bit of a long game. You want to make sure that you're paying attention to your body signs, not just right afterwards but as you sort of continue on with your life.

Annette Benedetti: 1:06:17

So a good question is then is there a frequency with which this should be done? So is it okay to do this every night, or do you need to allow the body to heal in between? What are your thoughts on that?

Lisa Finn: 1:06:32

So there are people that will absolutely argue with me on this. But if you are doing something that's a little bit more intense, if you are doing something like heavy restriction, if you are doing something like sounding like impact play, I always think that it's good to give yourself a little bit of a break to allow your body to come back down to it. It's like going to the gym. Right, there are people that go to the gym for three hours a day, but there are people that are like no, you need your rest day. You need your body to have that moment to come back down to that, whatever your normal sort of existence is, whatever your plateau, if you will. So there are people who will be like no, I can go into chastity every single night and I can have my ball slapped every single night and I'm totally fine. Cool, that's you. You understand your risks, you know your body. Fantastic, if you are just getting into this, Pace yourself. Rest day from the gym.

Annette Benedetti: 1:07:36

Yeah, time to recover and see how your body bounces back and what its healing time is. It just makes sense for me, and I would argue that people that don't take a rest day when they go to the gym are risking some serious injury.

Lisa Finn: 1:07:51

But yeah, you want to know that those muscles are healing correctly. You want to know that it's not two days down the line and I didn't notice that this one bruise hasn't gone away in the way that it should, because I just keep on getting new ones, right?

Annette Benedetti: 1:08:06

Right, good advice Now for the listener who's like I am ready to do this. I want to do this, but I haven't begun the conversation with my partner, and it's a hard one to bring up to someone, particularly if they're fairly vanilla. What are your thoughts on initiating the conversation around honey? I'm ready for you to torture my balls or like so, for instance. In my case, obviously, I've discovered I'm kind of into some of the opposite end. Slap it around some cocks. How do you start that conversation without totally freaking your partner out?

Lisa Finn: 1:08:47

Yeah. So I love to sort of start with something that you know and see about adding to it. So, if you are a person that regularly gives blowjobs or regularly gets blowjobs, ask your partner hey, how would you feel if I, or how would you feel if you integrated a little bit more teeth into your blowjob? Right, like, I kind of like the idea of you being a little bit more rough with me down there, maybe with a handjob being like, hey, like, would you try squeezing my balls a little bit, see how that feels. Again, these are sort of stepping stones into CBT and then taking it from there, gauging like, did I like how that felt? Did they like how that felt? And adding a little bit more at a time. You know, have we tried bondage already? Do we know how to do that? Can I ask someone how they would feel about maybe wrapping a necktie around my cock or around my balls From there, if you are ready to sort of like, take a leap into something even more intense, there is a wonderful tool called a yes, no, maybe list.

Lisa Finn: 1:10:03

We have a free one on our website, so it's at babe landcom backslash yes, no, maybe, and you can print it out. That list is pretty and again air quotes here basic, it just has a couple of ideas on it, but you can add as many as you'd like. The idea with a yes, no, maybe list is that you have three columns yes, no and maybe. So your yes column is going to be yes, willing, as in. I haven't tried this before, but I really want to give it a shot. Yes into so. I have tried this before and I want to do it again. Maybe. I'm not sure I'd consider it or no, which is this is a limit, this is a boundary. I don't want to do it. You and your partner will each get one of these lists and then you go far away from one another and you fill it out. The reason why you don't want to fill it out together is because you are filling it out by you and for you. This is just about you, your desires, your boundaries, and then your partner will come back and you'll compare your lists.

Lisa Finn: 1:11:05

Having a list that already has CVT mentioned on it, or editing it and making your own and including that could be a really good way to make sure that it gets mentioned on the list. You want to make sure that you go through all the ideas there and maybe add your own. But it could be a really good way to break the ice to say, oh, I have this on my column and you also had it on your column. How do you feel about giving that a go tonight?

Lisa Finn: 1:11:34

Maybe it was on their no column and, although we have to respect boundaries, maybe their idea of CVT was sounding and burning and piercing. You could say, oh, I noticed that CVT is on your no list. Could you let me know what those boundaries look like for you? Because, again, you don't want to push anybody past what they want to do. You don't want to try to coerce or convince somebody. But with something this broad sort of getting a spectrum there but yes, no, maybe list, that's a great way to facilitate any sort of conversation around a. I want to try this but I don't know how to bring it up.

Annette Benedetti: 1:12:11

Yeah, I love that there are so many people that reach out to me after they listen to a podcast and the number one question I get, or comment I get, is I really want to do this thing, but I'm just so afraid to ask my partner and I would wager to bet most of us haven't even done a yes, no, maybe list with our partners when it comes to our intimate life.

Annette Benedetti: 1:12:38

Even if you think you're just vanilla, it's still a good place to start right With. What all do I like? What do you like? So of course, I'm going to have an accompanying article in the description of this podcast that's going to have the link to the yes, no, maybe list to toy suggestions that you have given us here, and hopefully I'll get some more out of you after this podcast. So, listeners, you're going to want to scroll down and check that out. At this point, I guess how about you tell my listeners where they can find out more about you, where they can connect with you, beyblend, any other place that might help facilitate the journey into cock and ball torture?

Lisa Finn: 1:13:30

Absolutely. So you can find me at Beyblend. So Beyblendcom is our website. If you are on social media, we are at Beyblend underscore toys. So if you are Instagram or on Twitter, you will see I often get tagged in the pieces that go up on there. The only reason why I don't promote my personal social medias is that, unless you have a food fetish, you're not really going to be interested in what I have to post, because it's mainly just a what I ate today and also pictures of my dog.

Lisa Finn: 1:14:04

But we have locations in New York and in Seattle. So we've got a location in Park Slope in Brooklyn, one on the Lower East Side in Manhattan. We have another Brooklyn location that actually is going to be opening up in the next couple of weeks We'll be announcing that shortly and then in Capitol Hill, seattle. The great thing about any of the Beyblend locations is that everyone that works there is a trained sex educator with different topics, like something like CDT. We have a lot of books as well. So even if there is you know, there's not a staffer that can speak to this on a level that you want to learn about we do have those resources available for you and, yeah, that is where you can find me.

Annette Benedetti: 1:14:50

Excellent, excellent, thank you, and Beyblend is also online. You can order.

Lisa Finn: 1:14:54

You can shop it online.

Annette Benedetti: 1:14:56

So just so, people, you can go to the store if you want to, or check it out online.

Lisa Finn: 1:15:02

Well, thank you for I will say our website does have a lot more of the cock and ball devices available online. We have a whole cock and ball section.

Annette Benedetti: 1:15:10

There is a whole cock and ball section. I'm going to be checking it out. So thank you for joining me. Are you ready? I'm ready for my shot now. I've been drinking coffee and I'm ready for some vodka, here we go.

Lisa Finn: 1:15:23

Cheers, cheers to CBT.

Annette Benedetti: 1:15:26

And the snorks. I'll see you in the luck room. Ring loop.