The Pregnancy Kink Making Women Six Figures — And Why Society Is Losing Its Mind

She didn't set out to build a six-figure business. She got pregnant — and discovered one of OnlyFans' most profitable and least talked-about kinks.

Australian mom and content creator Emily Mai joins Annette to talk about what actually happens when a woman refuses to become sexually invisible after motherhood. We're getting into pregnancy kinks, lactation content, belly fetishes, and the real psychology behind why society loses its mind when mothers stay sexually embodied — and profitable.

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In this episode:

• Why pregnancy exploded Emily's subscriber count overnight — and who almost killed it
• What men actually want from pregnancy content (it's not what you're imagining)
• Why other mothers became her harshest critics — and her honest, unflinching take on why
• How she structures her day as a full-time creator and fully present mom
• Her 3 tips for anyone thinking about starting their own content business

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Transcript

Why Pregnancy Kink Is Profitable

Meet Emily Mai And Her Origin Story

SPEAKER_01 0:53

Do the sex. I'm Annette Benedetti, host of the podcast formerly known as Locker Room Talk and Shots. The show has a new name, Talk Sex with Annette. But at its core, this is still your locker room. It's where we strip away shame, get curious, and speak the unspoken about sex, kink dating, pleasure, and desire. Around here, nothing's off limits. These are the kinds of conversations we save for our boldest group chat, our most trusted friends, and of course, the women's locker room. Think raw, honest, and sometimes unapologetically raunchy. Welcome to my podcast where desire meets disruption and pleasure becomes power. Let's talk about sex. Cheers. Today's talk Sex with a Net topic is why pregnancy is one of the most profitable kinks on OnlyFans and how moms are benefiting and suffering because of it. Pregnancy is one of the most searched and most profitable kinks on OnlyFans. But the moment a real mother benefits from that, people lose their minds. My guest today made more money while pregnant than ever before, built a six-figure business, and says it didn't hurt her kids. She says it made her a better mom. So why does that make everyone so uncomfortable? My guest today is Emily Mai. She is an Australian mom who originally turned to OnlyFans, not to chase fame, but to create more flexibility to raise her kids on her own. What she didn't expect was to stumble into an entire world of pregnancy-related desire, everything from lactation, fascination to bellied-centered fantasies to pregnancy role play. And that didn't just sustain her income, it exploded it. Now, this shouldn't surprise any of you guys. We have actually covered kinks, a lot of these kinks on this podcast. And I will link it in the show notes below, some of those shows. But she she did make more money pregnant than she ever did before. And instead of being celebrated for building a six-figure business while parenting, she became a lightning rod for judgment, especially from other mothers. I wish I could say I'm surprised. Emily has been outspoken about the stigma faced by moms and sex work and why she believes the freedom, financial stability, and presence her work provides hasn't harmed her children, but has actually made her a better mother. This episode isn't just about pregnancy kinks. It's about desire, power, and why society still panics when women refuse to disappear sexually after becoming moms. And fair warning, this conversation is going to challenge a lot of assumptions. I'm gonna hand over the mic to Imley here in one moment, but but while we're on the talk topic, I'm gonna remind you that I'm over on OnlyFans and there. I am sharing my sex and intimacy how-tos, demos, and audio guided self-pleasure meditations, along with the opportunity to get a little taste of intimacy coaching. That's right. You can ask me your one-off questions. You can find me there and on Substack doing a whole lot of the same kind of thing. And you can find me by using my handle at TalkSex with the net. You can also scroll down to the notes section below and you're gonna find the links to everywhere you want to find me. So you're gonna find Emily and I both over there. Emily, can you take a moment now to share a little bit more about yourself with my listeners?

From Stripper To Creator To Mom

SPEAKER_00 4:32

Okay, cool. Hi, I'm Emily Mai. So I got started in the adult industry probably over 10 years ago, just waitressing, doing topless barmaid. And just over the years, I then ventured into content creation from watching other women around me just really exploding on the internet. I always knew that I would be a mom one day. At that time, I didn't have a partner or kids, but I was, I just knew that I would be a mom one day. So I got into content creation knowing that I could work from home. I was a stripper at the time and I just knew that I wouldn't be able to strip. So yeah, so I got into content creation and just over the years, it's just it's just really grown. I felt like my pregnancy really helped me blow up because it really got my name out there with the men that liked bellies and lactation and all of that. And then from there, I learned a lot from other creators and really built my business to sustain it where it is now, over five years later.

SPEAKER_01 5:36

We're gonna talk about what she found out about pregnancy kinks and why they're so popular on OnlyFans. But we're also gonna talk a little bit about the business end of it and how you do that business end of it while also being a mom. I want you to stay to in because not only will you find out a whole lot more about pregnancy and pregnancy-related kinks and fetishes. So if it might be your thing, you're gonna want to stay and find out what all there is out there and how you can find more of it. Uh, but also if you are someone who is listening to this and you are a mother and you've been thinking about wanting to make extra money, and this sounds like a line of work you're interested in. We're gonna give you a lot of answers to some of the questions in your head and maybe some of the questions you are confronted with by others, right? That's our goal by the end of this episode. So cheers, Emily. Let's talk about motherhood and making a lot of money on OnlyFans. Cheers. So, what surprised you the most when you were pregnant? Now let me understand. Were you already creating content on OnlyFans when you got pregnant?

Announcing Pregnancy And Losing Fans

SPEAKER_00 6:59

Yes. So I was already a creator for about two or three years while I was still stripping. So I was just doing it part-time. And then once I got pregnant, I could no longer dance at the club. It was just like a liability thing for them. They couldn't risk anything happening to me. I didn't want to be there either. So then I focused on OnlyFans full-time after that.

unknown 7:21

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 7:21

Were you worried when you found out you were pregnant that it would hurt your OnlyFans career?

SPEAKER_00 7:27

No, I wasn't. Prior to me getting pregnant, I had already done some reach, some research on the internet to see if there was such a thing as pregnant creators, if there were such things as like a woman making money while pregnant in any industry. And because I had found proof of that, I knew that one day when I got pregnant, I would be fine. Then as soon as I got pregnant and I found out I was pregnant, I started reaching out to just some friends and um and just asking them for advice, asking them how they did it, asking them for advice on even like where to promote. And then from there, I was able to find the answers that I need, start to find the right guys that were interested in my journey. But initially, as soon as I announced my pregnancy, I did, I lost probably half my fan base because I went from being this young, hot Asian stripper who went to sex parties, and then suddenly I was pregnant, which meant in their eyes, I became a mum. And for a lot of them, they didn't sign up to follow a mum. They followed this stripper that went to sex parties. So that was a bit scary at first, but I just had a lot of faith that if I just trust the process and I keep going as the pregnancy goes further along, my belly gets bigger, I'm gonna find the right people. And it was too late to turn back, anyways. I had a baby inside of me. I wasn't gonna be able to suddenly pretend I didn't have a baby. Yeah. How did you announce that you were I think I just did a photo or something like that? Maybe it, yeah. I think I think back then I just I just put a photo up. I waited till I was a little bit further along so that I had a little bit of a bump, and then I put a photo up. But up until that point, I didn't need to announce because I had so much morning sickness that I was actually losing weight. So nobody could even tell that I was pregnant for the first trimester.

SPEAKER_01 9:29

What surprised you most about your audience's response from your the time you announced it, you said you lost a lot of people. A, were you surprised about that? And then tell me a little bit about when the tides turned and you started growing.

unknown 9:46

Yeah.

What Pregnancy Fans Actually Want

SPEAKER_00 9:47

So I was definitely surprised when I lost my subscribers because quite a few of them would because we we we would have all these conversations and they were so we were so invested in each other's lives and just talking all day long that when they found out I was pregnant and they were very unhappy, I was a bit shocked because I thought that they would be happy for me. But they just obviously like I could no longer fulfill that fantasy for them, whether I was that girl that they might be able to attain one day, or that girl that was into that that that would continuously go to sex parties. I was now branching into an area that they weren't into. And then there was a bit of a lull for a while because even after I announced that I was pregnant, my belly was still quite small. Like the like the first one and a half trimesters, like my belly, like it was just, it wasn't growing much. I was losing so much weight from all my morning sickness. And it wasn't until somewhere during my segment, my second trimester, when my belly really started to be more obvious that the pregnancy guys then really started coming in because there were guys who wanted to be there to watch the journey. There were a lot of guys that just wanted to watch me rub my belly. That was probably one of the most requested things was just to watch me rub my belly and just to talk about like my pregnancy aches and pains. And then there were obviously like the more explicit requests, but the non-explicit ones were really, really popular because there was just like I actually don't fully understand why, but it was just rubbing of the belly and like talking about how sore and heavy like my breasts were. It really, it was just something the guys really, really loved, which was great for me because I was so pregnant and had so much morning sickness. It was content that I was able to make for them like on a very regular basis.

SPEAKER_01 11:43

How did you go about getting the word out and gaining traction with men who were interested?

SPEAKER_00 11:50

Yeah. So back then I was on TikTok and Instagram a lot. So those were the main two platforms that I was promoting myself on. And I think like there was this thing that I played into, which was like a pregnant Asian mum, like pregnant Asian, which wasn't super, which goes against the stereotype of what Asians are. So Asians we're usually very submissive, timid. We like if we're pregnant, we would probably be resting a lot and not really putting ourselves out there. So I was already going against the stereotype as an Asian who was like on the internet and flaunting like what I do for work. But then because I was pregnant, it brought a lot of, I had a lot of comments from people being like, oh my God, I've never seen a pregnant Asian before. Like, where did you spawn from? So people were really shocked from that. So I had a lot of those comments. And then through TikTok, I think this was like back in like 2020. So there was also a lot less creators back there as well. So it was, I felt easier for the guys who were looking for pregnancy content to be like, wow, you're like you're a pregnant person, but you also do like sex work? They were just so intrigued that people would then follow me from there and find my page through there.

unknown 13:08

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 13:10

Was there a moment when you started to get more and more followers and your business started growing that you were like, oh wow, this is really a thing?

Viral Moments And Scaling A Business

SPEAKER_00 13:21

Yeah. So I had quite a few viral TikToks during my pregnancy where I would just wake up and just have hundreds of subscribers in like hours, which was just really crazy for where I was. Like I went from getting tens to 20 subscribers in a day to getting 300 subscribers in a day, all from just making like TikToks and showing off my belly. And I was just like, wow, this I didn't know that this was possible. Like I had heard of creators, like the really famous girls making tens of thousands or hundreds of thousands of dollars from content creation, but I didn't think it was possible for me. And then as I started making that money, I was just like, wow, like I can do this. And I was just feeding myself that proof that wow, I like I can do this, even though I'm not as famous as those girls, even though I'm not as like well-known and everything as them, it was possible for me to do this. And then it just then became this whole thing of like me really scrambling to learn how to keep up with the growth of my business because it was growing a lot faster than I had imagined. And I was really then just struggling to be like, crap, how do I sustain this? How do I take care and meet the needs of all these subscribers? Because I went from like just having hundreds of subscribers to having thousands of subscribers. So, really just doing my best to answer all their messages and keeping up with the content creation while being pregnant, and then after that, even after giving birth, like having a child, like keeping up with all of these requests, because my business just grew to a level that I never thought was going to be possible for myself.

SPEAKER_01 15:55

So, what would you say critics get wrong about people who are into pregnancy-related fantasies, content, and so on and so forth?

Why Some Mothers Police Other Mothers

SPEAKER_00 16:07

Um, I actually don't hear a lot of people critiquing the men that like it. It's more people critiquing the mothers that supply the content. So from everything that I see online, like I will see people, like I've I've actually never seen anyone say, eel, why do you like if she's pregnant? Or you're so disgusting for liking pregnancy content or lactation content or any of that stuff. But I but I will see people criticizing the creator for sharing pictures of herself pregnant or videos of herself pregnant. That that one I do see, and that one I did experience a lot because people they just think that pregnancy, and it is, pregnancy is sacred, and but but it's up to us on what we choose to do. Like I was very, I had some very strict boundaries around what I shared with my pregnancy. So I had people who were very curious and they wanted to see movement in my belly, but I chose to not share those videos with the internet because I was like, well, I just like that that will be where I draw the line. I will show you my belly and I will show you me doing things while I'm pregnant, but the movements that are happening inside my belly, I won't share that because I just wasn't sure how that would be perceived by the person inside my belly because it was their movements. So I was like, I'm gonna draw that line there. But the belly itself was still my body. Yes, there's there's like someone in there, but the outside, like the shell was still me. So I felt very comfortable sharing that because I wasn't sharing the person inside. Did that make sense? Um that was a barrier, but there was a lot of people who would critique me, just being like, you're disgusting, you shouldn't be sharing this. Like you're like, have you no shame? Your child's gonna be so embarrassed about what you do for work.

SPEAKER_01 18:07

You've said that some of your harshest critics have been other women, other mothers. Can you tell me from your perspective, why do you think that is?

SPEAKER_00 18:19

So I because I I've thought about this topic a lot, and I think that a lot of it comes from just their own internal things. So for me, when I have judged someone else on something that they do, maybe they're dressed in a certain way that I don't agree with or whatever it is, when I have gone back and reflected on that, it's really come down to something that I didn't feel good about within myself. So I would then project it on the other person. And that is what I believe has happened with these moms, is they feel like maybe by me sharing my pregnancy or sharing my sexuality with the internet, because they may have felt like they couldn't do that or that they have not been allowed to do that, that they don't think anyone else should do that. Or maybe they have shared some of their sexuality with someone, not necessarily the internet, and then they got shamed for it. And so they want to protect others without even realizing. So I feel like a lot of those things is through lessons that they've been taught or experiences that they've had that makes them want to then either protect or stop someone from going through what they've gone through before. And they don't even realize it because me being on the internet doesn't hurt them at all. But the way that some of these people have reacted to me or spoken to me, it feels like what I do on the internet could hurt them and their family.

SPEAKER_01 19:52

Well, that being said, what are some of the most hurtful comments that you have gotten specifically from other women?

SPEAKER_00 20:02

So a lot of the comments I've gotten from them would be things more about what you did for work. And I don't want to have my kids come over for a play date anymore. So it wouldn't be so much as like a you're a horrible person, but it's more like I will not have my family around your family because what you do for work will leak into my family. So even though everything I do for work, like my kids don't know what I do for work, they they know I type away on a computer sometimes, or like I might be answering messages on my phone or something like that, but I will never do anything explicit around them. I don't have any of my content open around them. Like they don't know what I do for work, like they think I have a normal office job. But a lot of these moms, rather than saying things, they will remove me and themselves like they will remove ourselves from each other and then they will talk to each other about it. It's like I've had one mom call me to like to me directly, like she's called me a prostitute because I've because I share my body online, because I make videos and sell photos and all that kind of stuff. So she's called me a prostitute, but that's probably the worst thing that's happened, like the worst thing that's been said. A lot of it is more the actions and what they say to each other that then gets back to me.

Desexualizing Moms To Preserve Control

SPEAKER_01 21:23

It sounds to me like the the most hurtful part is the mean girling that's taking place here, right? Maybe women who are are judging for whatever reason it is, either their own security, insecurity about their own bodies, their own ability to do the same thing, or fear that maybe their husbands are watching your content or whatever those things are, right? Do you think there's a fear response when a woman sees another woman refusing to shrink herself or disappear sexually after motherhood?

Ethical Porn And Paying Creators

SPEAKER_00 22:01

I would say that the norm for mothers after you have a baby or have children is to become frazzled, to become overstimulated, to be just really housebound and take care of the family, do all the cooking and the cleaning, the school runs and do all of those things. That's what society kind of has mothers looking like. And then as soon as you see a mother who take away the sexual stuff, take away what I do for work. But as soon as you see a mother who's well put together, who is like going out with her friends and she's happy, people start questioning her. They go, What are you doing? You're taking care of care of your kids. Because as soon as we have a child, it's suddenly our responsibility to be their caretaker 24-7. And suddenly our children don't have fathers, they suddenly don't have school or daycare, and and and they must rely solely on a mother and she must breastfeed them. And if she can't breastfeed them, then she's bad at what she's doing. If she can't feed them home cooked meals, she's just a horrible mum. Like all these things happen. So as soon as a mum is doing anything for herself, we just get criticized and then add in sex work as well. And it's just wow, who is she? Like, how can she possibly have time to be a good mother if she's taking care of herself, if she's doing something that we don't see traditional traditional mothers doing? So it's just because I'm not fitting into that box, and because other mothers, not even in the industry, aren't fitting into that box, we will then suddenly get criticized for not being the the typical stay at home mum that society wants us to be.

SPEAKER_01 24:44

Do you think society, and I think this is sort of the meat of the conversation around this topic, is do you think society needs mothers to be desexualized in order to feel safe as a society?

Why OnlyFans Made Motherhood Easier

SPEAKER_00 25:07

I think men need mothers to be desexualized, to feel safe, because as soon as a woman is liberated, then she's more likely to speak up for herself. She's more likely to break a lot of the traditional norms that have been put in place for however long it's been. And that can really upset the more traditional system, the things that are in place right now. But, you know, as soon as the woman dresses the way that she feels comfortable dressing, she speaks her mind, she spends her own money, she sells a picture of herself instead of sending it to a guy that she's talking to on Tinder for free, that really it can upset the image that certain men have of how life should be, of how women should be, of how they should be served. So there are definitely, and then through that, those men will then pass that same message and lessons onto their onto their wives, onto their daughters, onto their sons. And then that's just been trickling down for such a long time that so many people feel this way, not just men, but women as well, because it's just safer in their mind to live the way that they used to, live the way that they've been taught. Whereas when you break free from that, it's very unknown. And in the unknown, it's scary because you don't know what life can be like, what you could be like when you break free from tradition. And that's and that can be very scary for some people. So they would actually reject sexual liberation. They can reject just people being happy because they don't know what is possible for them.

SPEAKER_01 26:56

Right. Because content creators, explicit content creators, aren't new to the world. It's just a lot of women were doing it for free. I mean, when when you have been talking to a guy on Tinder and you haven't met in person and you're sending him nudes, you're doing sex work, non-content creation sex work for for free. There's no guarantee, and most of the time, you don't even end up meeting up with these guys where they ghost you and then you're upset and you've sent them your picture and you're upset because you got nothing out of it.

SPEAKER_00 27:38

Or if you're in a relationship and you're sending your boyfriend or your husband photos and videos of yourself to keep them happy, but you're getting paid in other ways. So they might not be sending you$200 for a video of yourself, but they might be going to work and providing a roof over your head, or they might be buying you flowers. So sex work is not new by any means. Like also like sites like Pornhub and all of that kind of stuff, like they've been around for a very long time. And but the men are always okay. Mostly men, like I'm generalizing here, but like people have generally been okay with Pornhub because it's a free site. They make their money from their ads and all that kind of stuff, and 90% of the content on there is free. But as soon as we've added a price tag on it because we want to be compensated for our time, it's like that's disgusting. How dare you charge me$10 for this video when I can watch someone on another website for free? And it's and the conversation that a lot of creators have is then go watch the other website. But if you want this video of me, it's gonna cost you$10 or$20 or$200. Right.

Preparing Kids With Age-Appropriate Honesty

SPEAKER_01 28:54

Right. So thank you for that take because that is, I think, profound to say is that it is men who need women to become desexualized as when they become moms to feel safe. You have said that you think that this career path that you've taken has ultimately made you a better mother. First, I would love it if you would even share just a really quick kind of snippet of what a day in your life as a content creator on OF is like as a mother.

unknown 29:31

Okay.

SPEAKER_00 29:32

So a lot of my days are different, but on a day where my children have school, it would look like me waking up in the morning before they're awake. And then I'm like answering all my overnight messages because obviously I have subscribers from around the world. So there'll be people who have messaged me while I'm asleep. So I'll do my best to answer as many of those guys as possible. Then once my kids are up, then it's just I'm with them for those couple of hours before they're off at school. So, you know, we're doing breakfast and getting ready and brushing hair and playing together and all those kinds of things. Then once they're dropped off at school, I'm back at home. And then that's where I get a really good chunk of my work done. I might need to film some custom content or just film stuff that, you know, like things for my actual feed to like share with the guys as part of their subscription or do marketing. So what I film every day is a little bit different, just depending on what the business needs in that moment. And I'm chatting away, I'm like chatting all day. Then once the kids are home, like they finish school, then I'm back. I'm back on mom mode. So then I'm back picking them up, we're doing dinner, we're hanging out, and we're doing all the things that they want to do. Like we might be going off to do swimming or something like that, cooking dinner together. And then once they go to bed and they go to bed pretty early, then I'm back online again. And that's when I have my computer open and my phones are out, and I'm just answering messages as they come through. And some and sometimes them, I might go an hour or two without any messages and I'm doing my own thing. But basically, my computer and my phones are just kind of on. That they're just kind of on at all times in case there's just something urgent that I need to answer. And I'll like I'll be up pretty late most nights just like answering messages and chatting to the guys just because of the time differences all around the world.

SPEAKER_01 31:30

Well, so a question that just popped into my mind is you're not pregnant right now, correct?

SPEAKER_00 31:36

No.

SPEAKER_01 31:37

So what happens when you're no longer pregnant to people who are there for that?

SPEAKER_00 31:44

Yeah. So a lot of those pregnancy guys have moved on. And I definitely noticed as soon as I announced that I had given birth, a few of them were like, Thank you so much for the past few months. I'm gonna move on now because they very much only cared about pregnant people, and that was fine. I but I do still have quite a few guys that have connected with me. So like I have I have subscribers on my page still from 2020 because they connected with me, and we just have really good, like a really good relationship where we talk and we know a lot about each other, and so they've stuck around for that. But then I but out of the pregnancy, I now have guys that are into lactation content, guys that are into stretch marks.

Normalizing Pregnancy And Lactation Kinks

SPEAKER_01 32:33

My lucky, well, those are forever, so yeah, and and and they're great.

SPEAKER_00 32:42

I had a live stream with a bunch of the guys, and we were like talking and looking at all my stretch marks, and they loved it. I have guys like so. My breasts, they're not as perky as they were five years ago. So I have guys that like their size and shape now, guys that just like me because I'm Asian, that's part of that. And then there's a lot of guys that like belly content, so not pregnancy content, but they like belly content. So that can be things like burping, it can be like just eating and stuffing my belly so my belly grows. It can be just like like a spontaneous pregnancy, so where I will suck in my belly and make myself look really flat, and then I will do something that magically makes me pregnant and I'll push my belly out. I've got a fake pregnancy pillow somewhere in my room as well.

SPEAKER_01 33:32

So sometimes I will just do role plays and I'm fully clothed and I'll do role plays, but with even without being like you'll just pretend like you're pregnant, you'll roleplay that you're pregnant.

SPEAKER_00 33:44

Yeah, because it's just like a fantasy that I have. Like sometimes they just want to see the bump underneath the dress, like they don't care that it's not real, but they just want someone to make them a video with the bump. Yeah. But even without being pregnant, I have a I still have a lot of believe it or not, I didn't get pregnant for the money because I still make just as much money now not being pregnant as I did back then. Yeah. Yeah.

Practical Tips For Aspiring Creators

SPEAKER_01 34:13

I hope this is an appropriate question. So you get into this, you get pregnant and you find yourself in pregnancy and lactation and and uh kink land. You're there and you're like, I'm gonna make the most of it while I'm here because I need to support myself and I want to live a certain style of life. You picked up the kink at all yourself. Do you uh are you at all it's kind of fun? It is kind of sexy. I feel sexy doing it. I I guess I'm kind of into this.

SPEAKER_00 34:49

So I wouldn't say pick up the kink as in I would be sexually attracted to another pregnant person, but I very much enjoyed making pregnancy content for my fans, especially because I don't know, like pregnancy guys are just absolutely amazing. They're so kind, they're so generous, they're so thoughtful, they would just be showering me with compliments, they would like they were sending me gifts to make me feel really good about myself. So to take care of me and my child. So I just I felt amazing during my pregnancy. Like in terms of my morale and everything, I felt amazing. And it made me, it made things so easy for me to want to go film the content for these guys because I wanted to, like, it was so easy to give back to them because they were really filling my cup. Like I had guys who had my PO box and they would send me presents in the mail, they would email me gift vouchers to like baby shops I could buy things that I needed. Like they were so thoughtful. So there's just this appreciation that I have for pregnancy guys because they all they were by far some of the kindest subscribers that I've ever had.

SPEAKER_01 35:57

Well, that doesn't surprise me. I mean, like I said earlier, I have my own OF page to do more my stuff is more educational, but there are live demos on there and stuff like that. And I I have I did not know what I was getting into. There's a lot of it took me a long time to choose that platform because there is a lot of stigma, but for women, there aren't a lot of options if if you want to own your own content. And I have been really pleasantly surprised at how the high-quality people that are on the platform, whereas I think this judgment and shame and stigma is definitely it's it's it's false. I mean, people who are on platforms seeking content, it's not like anything is wrong with them or that they're not good people. That I think they are people who are seeking knowledge or intimacy or fulfillment, and they're willing to do it in an ethical way that also helps support somebody else. It feels very ethical to me, I guess is what I'm trying to say. And for for the most part, I've only had great interactions and conversations from people who I felt really want to learn and connect and have respect.

SPEAKER_00 37:30

Yeah. Yeah, definitely. I've I've seen many creators say that if you want to consume ethical porn to purchase it and consume it from a creator rather than on the websites that provide it for free, because not everyone is being compensated correctly on those sites and it's hard to vet who is and who isn't.

unknown 37:49

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 37:50

Right, right. So I want to get back to the to you sharing that you feel that this has made you a better parent. Can you just list because I I I know, of course, there are people who are like, oh, roll their eyes. How is that possible? I would love for you to share your perspective on that.

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SPEAKER_00 38:09

Sure. So the first thing that I can think of is the time that I have with my kids. So I'm just I'm there. I'm I'm there for the pickups, the drop-offs. If they want to go to do anything, I'm always there. If they have a performance, I don't need to ask for time off work to go watch them do, you know, a school performance or anything like that. I can just always be there. And even things also like volunteering at their school, because they have like parent sessions, knowing that I can be a parent that comes along to a parent session as well is a really cool one. So, like my kids, they just they have me. They don't know life where mom is just off working and they don't have mum around and they need to go to after-school care, they need to have someone babysitting them all the time. And there's nothing wrong with that because obviously I've worked like a just a traditional job. I just, but but the thing is, I just knew that I wanted to do like I was already a sexually liberated person. I wanted to do this, and now I've got all this time with my kids. And then something else is we have money. So we have money to do like the basics. So we've got money for things like school and good food and all of that. We don't have to stress, even when the cost of living is going up, we don't have to stress about whether or not we can afford to eat that week. So just having that financial security has takes a lot of that stress away, where I don't have to worry about whether or not I'm gonna have enough because I make enough that I can save so that when I might be having a slow week, I've always got money for those things and my kids won't notice. And then we have time and the funds for extracurricular activities. So things like swimming and sports and just all those activities for them to explore as many options as possible while they're young. Because I'm a really big believer that my kids should be able to explore everything dancing, ballet, like really team sports, solo sports, so that as they get older, they can choose what they want to do. But those things cost so much money. And especially if you have to buy a uniform or equipment, stuff like that. So just having that ability to say, all right, we're gonna try basketball for six months. And then we're gonna try ballet because we're gonna see if we like dancing or not. And then we're gonna try music and we're gonna try lots of different things. So just having those options for my kids, I think has just been like so important for me as well. Whereas, yeah, like I just want them to have options. But the main thing is really for me is the time, just having the time for them and knowing that I can be for there for them if they need it. If they're sick, I don't have to ask someone if I can have a day off and then miss out on pay. Like I could, I know I can just work when they're asleep. That there's just no one really losing in this situation at all because my work schedule is so flexible. I I time everything around them. And even if if we want to take the day off school and go to the zoo because it's quieter that day, we can do all of these things because of what I do for work.

SPEAKER_01 41:21

All of the most important points are hit. You you are spending you have time, you have money, you've got more emotional bandwidth because you don't have stress of making ends meet, right? But of course, your critics are going to say to you, Well, what are you gonna do when they figure out what you're doing? That is, of course, what people are going to come to you with, and that's gonna be their argument or pushback that won't this is going to make life so uncomfortable for your kids or XYZ, all of those kinds of comments. I'm sure you've thought through it or you've had heard these things. What is your response?

SPEAKER_00 42:03

So I have measures in place for that at this stage. So I have people under 18 blocked from seeing my account. Because, like, even though they're not in high school yet, they don't have a smartphone and all that kind of stuff. It's like I'd rather block all the minors from seeing my content right now rather than later, rather than waiting until they're in high school and like the other kids have Instagram and TikTok and all that kind of stuff. So I do my best to block under 18s on as many platforms as possible, just to prevent that from happening. And then the next thing as well is I have seeked professional advice about this because I'm thinking long-term here, like they're too young to understand anything. But the professional advice that I've had from people that work with children is it's all about age-appropriate information. So they know mummy works on the computer. That's all they know. And as they get older, they might know that mummy works on the internet or something like that. But in terms of adult work, if I I mean, in that ideal world, they won't like they won't know until they're 18. But I don't know if I'm gonna be able to keep that information from them until they're a legal age. But at some point, it might come up. And if that conversation comes up where they know that I do only fans or that I did only fans, because obviously I don't know what's gonna happen between now and the next 10, 20 years, the child psychologist that I've spoken to to get advice, because I'm like, like when I say like I think about my children's safety, like I'm I'm researching for them for the next 10, 15, 20 years, is that we will have a conversation with a professional to really talk about what I do, how it's only for adult eyes, it's not for children's eyes, about the consent behind the work that I do, about how I have consented to this, how the people that are consuming it have consented to it, and then also the lifestyle that this work has given. So there is a conversation that, you know, like I am slowly preparing for around consent and all the things that we have benefited from this work. And then between now and that day, all I can do on my end is raise them to be as kind and open-minded as possible so that when they hear things that they may not agree with, they can at least listen to it before making their own judgments. Because I feel like that's that's the best you can do. Like I can't talk to them now. They're too young to understand adult work. And even when they're in their teens, they like they're still technically too young to really understand. So I'm I'm I'm making a really strong emphasis at the moment on teaching them things about boundaries and consent, and then hoping that that will lay a good foundation for this conversation one day when it's bound to happen.

SPEAKER_01 45:10

Right. And if everybody is doing in the the sex positive industry and sex and pleasure education industry is doing their job, hopefully, by then their the stigma and shame will be removed from it because it's the stigma and shame, right, that causes the issue with kids. It's not the work itself, it's people deeming intimacy and sex a bad thing that creates the confusion and the disruption and the upset to younger people. Do you think that right now we know that the pregnancy and lactation kinks are kind of booming on OnlyFans? People, there's and just as more people, as we move towards sex positivity and people feel free to be more honest about their turn-ons, things like pregnancy and that being exciting, are people are going to start to be more open about it. Do you feel there is a trend toward being more open and accepting of this kind of kink and also this kind of content creation?

SPEAKER_00 46:23

Yes, definitely. I felt like back when I became pregnant on the internet, I could really only find like a handful of people that were willing to talk about it and to be like, oh yes, I've done this. And I'm sure there were more, but in just in the research that I did, I could find. Like just a handful of people. But now I feel like I'm seeing more and more pregnant creators online. And I don't know if it's just like that whole thing where once you notice something, you kind of notice it everywhere. But I'm definitely noticing more pregnant creators. There's like forums online of pregnant creators as well. So, and not just pregnancy, it's it's all kinds of kinks and everything. But I'm definitely seeing more of it now because the internet is a lot more accessible. So I feel like all of these kinks were always there. There was probably still the same ratio of people who liked pregnancy stuff and all that and everything. It's just now it's more accessible because of the internet. So back then they would say, I see a pregnant woman and be like, wow, she's so hot, she's so amazing. I wonder, I wish I could see her naked, but they couldn't do anything because they probably just didn't have as much access. Whereas now the access is there. So people can find it more easily. And because they can find it more easily, it's just out more in the open.

unknown 47:45

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 47:46

And then the more in the open it is, the more normalized it is as well. So then people are more able to just ask for it.

SPEAKER_01 47:54

It is now that time where I would like you to speak directly to content creators out there, women who may be thinking about embarking on taking charge of their own content, who may either be pregnant or thinking about having kids or in motherhood and wanting to figure out a way to create a business for themselves that will help them support themselves and their kids and live a better lifestyle. Can you just give them some advice? Maybe your top three tips.

SPEAKER_00 48:32

Okay. So before you think about becoming a content creator, whether you are already pregnant or you know you're going to be pregnant one day, to really like you really need to think about whether or not this is something that you want out there. Because as soon as you upload your first picture or send out your first video, it's out there now. It's going to be out there forever. So it's really making sure that you're not just doing this in hopes of gaining money, that this is something that you are willing to dedicate time to. Because if you know that you can dedicate the time to it and that you are willing to do this, then by all means do it because then you will have that drive to really put your all into it. And when the times are tough and you might not be making as much money as you as you thought you would, you would still have the drive to really do it because you've because you know that this is something that you're happy doing. Yeah, so that's the main thing, is just really making sure that you want to do this because once you start, you you can't take it back from the internet. And then another tip would be to start off without your face. So start off making faceless content and getting a vibe for being a content creator. See what it's like making photos and videos of yourself while your identity is still unknown. So posting on Reddit, posting on X and Instagram and TikTok and just putting your content on every single platform without your face. Just try it all out, see which platforms you like. See how you feel being a content creator. And then as soon as you are comfortable, then you can always put your face in later. Like you can always add your face to your content. I started off as a faceless creator as well, just to make sure it was something that I really wanted to do. Once I was comfortable with it, once I knew that I was making money, then I like put my face out there. And that really helped explode my income because obviously people can connect with you better when they can see your whole face, see your eyes, see you smiling and everything. So, yes, so one, making sure that you definitely want to do this. Then when you get started, start off faceless. Because if you do change your mind after six months to 12 months, six to 12 months, it's it's easier to just kind of, I guess, pretend that you weren't on the internet. And then three is to try every single platform. Like just create bulk, create a bunch of photos and videos and post it everywhere and just get yourself out there on the internet because the more eyes that you have on your content, like your free content, the more likely you are then to have people click and subscribe on your link. So yeah, I would say those are probably my main three tips. But then I do have one thing to say as well is that not every creator is going to be successful. Majority of creators, they barely make a couple of hundred dollars a month. Like all the creators that you see online that make 10,000, 20, 30,000,$100,000 a month, that's like the top 1% of creators. Out of the million creators out there, it's just a very small pool of creators. But the reason why you see them everywhere on the internet and it feels normal is because they plaster themselves everywhere on the internet because our faces are everywhere, that it just becomes normal to think that's what all OnlyFans creators make. So I think coming in with a realistic expectation of I want to make$1,000 a month and I really want to do this. I'm gonna start off faceless, I'm gonna post myself everywhere, I'm gonna give this a red hot go. And then as soon as you're comfortable, then investing more time, maybe then going full face out. But just having those realistic expectations, because I have seen a lot of women enter the industry and then quit after six months because they weren't making$10,000 a month straight away. Because they didn't realize that being on OnlyFans isn't just about posting pictures, it's about running a whole business, about having a content plan, a strategy, a marketing plan, and just like a clear brand and a clear message as well.

SPEAKER_01 52:43

That's great advice. In fact, in fact, my partner with my how-to's on OnlyFans is a faceless creator. That's that's how she runs hers. So it's a great, that's great advice. Uh, it gives people a way to dip their toe in the water and take it right back out if they need to without feeling like they've put themselves out there. So thank you so much for sharing your story and helping everybody understand a little bit more about the pregnancy kink. Again, if if y'all want to know more about that, you can scroll down to the show notes because I did a full interview with a sexologist on pregnancy and lactation kink. If you want to go into the psychology of it and kind of where that comes from and how that's played out in nitty-gritty detail, you can go there. But I I really appreciate you being vulnerable enough to show from a content creator's point of view what that looks like, your own journey to empowerment and becoming a self-made woman in the industry and with in this specific area. Now, before we go, I would love for you to share where my listeners and viewers can find you should they want to see more of you.

SPEAKER_00 54:09

So I would say the best place to look me up is probably on Instagram. And my handle is she's so punny, which I can send you like, yeah, so she's so punny or on TikTok, it's Emily Mai. So those are my two main platforms where I have a variety of different content.

SPEAKER_01 54:29

Perfect. Thank you so much. And of course, I will be sending you all the links. So make sure you have subscribed to my e newsletter, subscribe to my Substack because I post everything there as well. And again, thank you so much for joining me today, Emily. And to my listeners, I hope you learned a lot here. I mean, you want to share what your particular kinks are and how you find them from your favorite creators. I'd love to know more about that. If you have more questions for Emily, you know what to do. You're gonna go over to my YouTube channel if you happen to be on an audio channel, and you're gonna drop a comment in the comments section below. Or you're gonna email me at Annette at talksexwithanet.com. Also, if you are looking for an intimacy coach, a sex or intimacy coach top you on your own intimacy journey. My books are um open, and you can find out more about that at Annette at talksexwithanet.com. Anyways, thank you again, Emily. And until next time, listeners, I'll see you in the locker room. Cheers. Cheers.