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How Betrayal Rewires Your Body And How To Feel Safe Again
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We unpack betrayal trauma as a relational nervous system injury, explain why “just leave” and “forgive and move on” don’t heal, and share somatic tools to restore safety and rebuild self-trust. We close with a grounded approach to trusting again that honors your pace and boundaries.
• what betrayal trauma is and why it’s different
• common forms of betrayal, including double lives and financial abuse
• cognitive dissonance and gaslighting as drivers of obsession
• nervous system symptoms and why they persist
• shame, self-blame, and cultural victim blaming
• why leaving and forgiveness are not instant cures
• somatic healing basics and a simple anchor practice
• rebuilding boundaries and treating trust as fluid
• learning to love again without self-abandonment
Defining Betrayal Trauma
SPEAKER_00Hello, it's Dr. Donna and welcome to another episode of my podcast, Soul Talk and Psychic Advice. Today we're going to talk about something that changes people at a cellular level. And that's betrayal trauma. When the person you trusted becomes the source of harm. Betrayal trauma is not just heartbreak. It's not just grief. It's not just getting over someone. It's what happens when the person, system, or relationship that was supposed to provide safety, honesty, and attachment becomes the source of harm. And when that happens, your body doesn't respond with sadness alone. It responds with shock, disorientation, hypervigilance, and collapse. So if you ever said I don't recognize myself anymore, and you know a lot of people end up in a situation where they're like, I lost myself, I just don't know who I am anymore. I don't recognize myself anymore. I can't trust my judgment. That happens after a betrayal. It's like how to trust again. Because when it comes to trust, we want to get it right that this person will never hurt us, but people do change. So it's not about trusting your judgment, but it can make you feel like you can't trust your judgment because of what somebody else did. I feel crazy. How many of you have been in a situation where you just felt crazy? Like it was just so much going on, so much trauma and you know, twist and turns and narcissistic abuse and all sorts of things happening all at once, and it just makes you doubt your own stability when it's really the other person making you crazy or feel crazy. And what about I don't feel safe in love? Then this episode is for you. If you've ever felt any of this or you just want to become more aware, so that if a situation starts in your life, you can see it coming and try to figure out how to stop it or how to get away from it. So what betrayal trauma actually is. Betrayal trauma occurs when trust is violated by someone you are emotionally or physically dependent on. And who is someone that you could depend on? A romantic partner, a parent, um, anybody who is taking care of you, um, a job, a system, an institution, you know that you depend on for survival. So a family member, right? Maybe it's a close friend that you depend on for survival. So this can include infidelity, emotional affairs, chronic lying, gaslighting, secret addictions, financial betrayal. That happens to a lot of people. It happens to singers, it it happens to spouses who depend on another spouse, you you know, for income. It happens so often in sudden abandonment, you know? The partner who just gets up and leaves as if you guys didn't have this relationship, right? And they're just gone. Double lives, you'd be surprised how many people live a double life, y you know, and we think of it more like James Bond, right? Like one of their lives is being a CIA or FBI or some secret agent. But no, it's not really like that. You know, we we really think it's something mysterious because when I tell people this person may have a double life, they're like, No, no, you know, this person comes home, they have a regular job. Yes, but sometimes they have a spouse down the street or in another city, you know, they have a separate family going on. They they have you you know, habits that they're keeping secret. There are other things going on, and when we can't see it, we just sometimes find it hard to believe, and some people get triggered, they even get mad at me when I'm like, you need to look deep, you need to see what else is going on. Sometimes it's a legal activity. You'd be surprised how many people can have a straight, you know, life that look like they do, you know, white collar, living a good life, whatever, but then their second life is a legal activity. You'll be surprised. Just watch some of these shows on ID channel, you see it. So what makes betrayal traumatic is not just what happened, but it's who it happened with. When harm comes from a stranger, your system reacts, right? But when harm comes from someone you love, your system fractures, you're like devastated. You you know, you could just crumble into pieces. Your nervous system is wired for safety through connection. So when connection becomes dangerous, the body doesn't know where to land. It doesn't. So let's talk about why betrayal trauma feels so disorienting. One of the most painful parts of betrayal trauma is cognitive dissonance. Sometimes we talk about that in politics, but we really need to talk about that in other aspects. You know, it happens a lot in relationships. You're holding two truths at once. I love and trusted this person. This person harmed me. The brain struggles to reconcile this, and so you may experience obsessive thinking, replaying conversations, questioning your memory, like did it really happen that way? Maybe I'm overreacting, especially if you're being gas-lit by the other person who's telling you that things didn't go down the way that they went down. You start doubting your intuition, you're wanting proof, you're needing answers that never satisfy, but you're looking for that peace, right? So this is an obsession, it is your nervous system trying to restore coherence. Your body is saying, I need to understand what broke reality. And a lot of people will, you know, they come to you and they want to intellectualize what happened because everything that's happened is so emotional, right? They're trying to make it make sense. And sadly, some things just don't make sense, or it takes years for it to make sense. But often we think if we can understand it on the intellectual level, we'd be okay, we'll become safe again. And sometimes that just doesn't come. You know, and so you're left dealing with the emotional aspects of things. So needing to understand what broke, it may not make sense, especially if you're dealing with a narcissist or someone who's got their own issues and their own issues with deception and living a double life. It can be hard because people who lie to you also lie to themselves. So people who lie to others, they're not just lying to other people or to you, they're lying to themselves. They've they're creating these realities, they start believing their own lies. You know the phrase believe in your own BS? And some people just live that way. And haven't you ever talked to someone? They're straight up lying, but they are they're not even looking guilty. It's like they believe it. And we hear these stories online, especially about the women who have been taken by a Romeo or or something. There's been a few date lines about stuff like that, and the guy is just like sincerely believing the lies that they're telling. And it could happen, you know, to men from women, yeah, and it could happen in in gay relationships and straight relationships. It can just happen because people are people at the end of the day. So the nervous system injury of betrayal. Let's talk about this. Betrayal trauma is a relational nervous system injury. Common symptoms include hypervigilance, you just can't be calm, you're on alert, you're stuck in that fight or flight. Startle response, you're easily shocked and startled. Insomnia, staying up, can't get to sleep because your mind is reeling over what just happened. Digestive issues because our emotions are tied to the digestive system. So, yeah, you can have digestive issues, panic. Yeah, you're just gonna not feel settled. Emotional numbness, you might want to shut down just to survive the moment. Difficulty trusting anyone, that's for sure. You're not gonna trust anyone after going through something tough because it's like I love that person, I thought I knew that person, and they betrayed me, so how do I trust anybody else? And then difficulty trusting yourself. You know, we have this obsession with getting it right in society, but you can't get it right when you're dealing with another person. All you can do is look for signs, and some people give all signs and some don't, and some people just change over the years. People can be fine for 10-15 years, and maybe something in them causes a psychotic break, and they switch up and they cause the betrayal. And so you you know, don't struggle with trusting yourself because really there's very little in a lot of these situations that you could have seen differently to prevent it. It's very little. Sometimes people see signs. We love like you see the interviews and they're like, Well, didn't you see the signs? And we're looking for that so that we could blame the person for what happened to them instead of blaming the person who caused the harm. You you know, there's this obsession of I would see the signs, I would never be harmed. You know how many times I've heard that from people? They're like, Oh, I I wouldn't know that. And then when something happens, they're like, I can't believe this happened to me. So let's also talk about what else you can feel with betrayal trauma being a relational nervous system injury. You may feel on edge around intimacy, unsafe, relaxing, detached from your body, ashamed for staying. A lot of people are ashamed, especially by other people. Why are you staying? There are many reasons why people don't leave right away, and we have to not judge it. You know, you can ask if you're close to them, you can ask them if they need support, but judging them ain't gonna make it easier. And some people are ashamed for leaving, like maybe I should have stuck it out. Oh my goodness. You know, so there's just shame, shame, shame, and it's sad because a person shouldn't feel shame. That doesn't help anything. So this is not weakness, this is post-traumatic response. That's what this is. This is a post-traumatic response. Your nervous system learned love is unpredictable, safety can't be pulled away without warning, so it stays alert long after the threat has passed. Uh you know, and I've spoken to people, and you could tell it's like they're living in the moment that they were traumatized, even if that trauma happened years ago. That's why therapy is important. That's why I love somatic therapy because it's in the body, not just the mind. So let's talk about why betrayal attacks identity and self-trust. Betrayal trauma doesn't just hurt the heart, it attacks identity. You may think, How did I not see this? You know, and there's gonna be someone who's gonna ask you, how did you not see this? What's wrong with me? You know, can I trust myself at all? When deception exists, your system learned the world was stable when it wasn't. So your mind turns inward and blames you. You know, our mind will blame us, other people will blame us. But betrayal is not a failure of intuition. It's a violation of consent and truth. The responsibility lies with the one who deceived, the one who caused the harm, hello, not the one who trusted them. You know? No, say you know it think about it, we're constantly victim blaming in society. But it stays on the person who caused the harm. That's so important to understand because that gets forgotten through all this, you know, and we do this to, you know, people in abusive situations, people who come across a con artist. We just constantly blame, blame, blame because we think that, you know, they should have seen it. And and when you're caught up, especially if you're in a love relationship where you're emotionally courted to them, you're gonna get blinded by some things easily, or you will overlook some things. J you just will. So let's talk about why just leaving or forgiving doesn't heal betrayal trauma. Many people are told just leave. Oh yeah, like it's just so easy, right? Just leave, just pack up whatever life, you know, your finances, just whatever, and just go, right? Forgive and move on. You know, I love forgiveness, but forgive and move on is some BS right there, right? And you know, I remember when I first got into the world of spirituality, there was a lot of that forgive and move on, but people were bypassing, and I was coming across people, they didn't forgive anything, they buried it, and they were actually very angry people. And so there's no such thing as forgiving and move on. And how can someone who's been emotionally devastated and their nervous system has been affected just forgive and move on? No, you can't. Everything happens for a reason. I remember the last time somebody said that to me when my son passed, um I went off on them, and rightfully so. And yes, you can have a regulated nervous system and be spiritual and still set people straight. No, not everything happens for a reason. There's cause and effect, but there's not always some big spiritual reason why something happens. And can we stop with this craziness? It still exists in 2026. Don't tell people just leave, forgive, and move on. Everything happens for a reason. Try to understand what's happening in their world. How did they get here? How can they leave? Why do we think there are shelters for, you know, domestic violence? Because you can't just leave and and the most dangerous time for a person to leave their abuser. Well, the most dangerous time for being killed, right? That's what I should say, is when a person tries to leave their abuser. That's why they have to go into a damn shelter to stay safe. So we need to quit with this mindset of I would have just left. You know, forgive that. Everything happens for a reason. We simplify complicated things and that isn't good. But betrayal trauma lives in the body. That's something to remember. You can leave the relationship and still carry the injury. You know, when people leave abusive relationships are y you know, they're still traumatized. They still got a lot of healing, you know, that they're gonna have to do. You can forgive and still feel unsafe. You know? It d just because you forgive someone doesn't mean y'all are cool again. A lot of times, I believe if you forgive someone, stay away from them. You know? Don't try to deal with them, and that's why people won't forgive because they think it's cadoning or you gotta be around the person or be friends with them. No, you don't. Not at all. They don't even have to know if you forgive them or not. It's not for them to know. But healing does require nervous system repair, somatic healing, reality validation, grief processing, somatic integration, self-trust building, and more than likely you're gonna have to get a professional support, you know, a therapist involved to help you facilitate through this. You don't heal betrayal by bypassing the pain. You don't heal by staying present. You you only heal if by staying present with the truth and gently. You know, with the reality of what has happened and how painful it is what has happened. And really facing it with support. It's probably something not to do alone. Definitely seek out a professional. So let's talk about a somatic path to healing betrayal trauma. Healing begins with safety. Before trust can be restored outwardly, it must be restored internally. That's important. Don't even worry about trusting other people, just trust yourself. And don't be hard on yourself for what you didn't see or what you didn't catch. Somatic healing focuses on regulating the nervous system. That's very important, especially after a traumatic event. Because you're gonna be hyper-vigilant and panicking and paranoid and not being able to sleep, so you gotta regulate your nervous system. And then you can reconnect to the body's cues. That's very important to get back into your body. That's what's so great about somatic healing, and it's like it can help you sense the world. Learning when you're safe again. You know, it takes some healing to know when you're safe again. That you can learn that. Rebuilding internal boundaries because boundaries get shattered. So if you're being betrayed, someone shattered your boundaries, or maybe you didn't have enough boundaries yet, but now you're rebuilding them. So you're gonna have nice solid boundaries from doing the work. So let's do a simple somatic anchor. Place a hand on your chest, slow your breath. Just slow it down, feel your weight, support it. And just with the hand over your chest, breathing slowly, say I am here now. 'Cause that's all you can be is here now. I survived what hurt me, 'cause yes, you did survive. Even if it broke you, devastated you, you're still alive. You have survived. My body is learning safety again. And so these are things to say with placing a hand on your chest and breathing slowly. Just to help calm you down. Calm down the nervous system. Healing betrayal is not about forgetting, because you can't forget. It's gonna be there. It's about integrating without reliving it. That's what it's about. So let's talk about learning to love again without armor, because a lot of people have a wall-up, they want to have a relationship, they want to be in love, and they're hoping that the other person is just gonna make them feel safe. And they will if you allow them to, but you have to meet them halfway and heal too. So after betrayal, many people they go back and forth, they oscillate between total guardness, they're totally guarding, and then they can end up overattached to someone. Neither is healing. Healing is learning, discernment without paranoia. That's important. Boundaries without walls. Openness without self-abandonment, and this is gonna take time. It's gonna take support, it's gonna take it being facilitated by a therapist, and it takes patience with your body. Because you're not broken. You are protective because you were hurt. That's what the walls are. Especially when people say, How do I trust again? I'm not trusting nobody ever again because it went wrong. But this is the thing. We want trust to be solid, but trust is actually fluid. We trust with the current data that we have on a situation or a person. And if that person starts to switch up, then maybe you trust less. If they do better, then you trust more. So when it comes to trust, we just can't say, I trust this person there, locked in. It's good. I'm safe. And that's what a lot of us humans do. But you have to take your trust and say, I trust this person for now. Even if you're married to them, you know, even if they're a family member, you say, I trust them now for the moment. I will see how they do. I will see how they do with my boundaries, how will they betray my trust? I see their behaviors, how are they changing up on themselves? You you know, it's kind of exhausting dealing with other humans when you think about it, because we have to pay attention and be present. And it it almost can feel like you are on alert. But you do have to pay attention in relationships. And I know we're all you you know, we were all taught that in a relationship you should just relax, be calm. But then that's not growth either. You shouldn't have to be crazy or stressed or paranoid, but you have to be present because we all change and grow as we get more information, our beliefs change, our awareness change, as our traumas come up, you know that's gonna affect things. So keep that in mind. So I want to close this out. If you're healing from betrayal trauma, hear this. You're not crazy, even if you feel it, you're not crazy. You're not weak, no, because when you get betrayed, it's it's huge. So you're not weak. You're not behind. It just happens. Your nervous system was injured in a relationship. It will heal in a relationship, but it's the one that you start with yourself. It's your own relationship with yourself. That's how you will heal it. Trust is not rebuilt through pressure. You can't pressure someone in order to trust them. It's rebuilt through consistency, safety, and time. And it takes time after you go through something. And maybe for the moment you have to say, I'm not trusting nobody, I'm I'm closed down, but it doesn't mean you stay that way. So don't feel pressure to stay with the walls up and guard it. You know, let yourself heal and you trust slowly. And that's how I've always done trust since I was younger, because I've had it betrayed by family members and you know, situations and friends and one romantic partner. And I said, you know what? I'm just gonna assess little by little in small doses. And if you do it that way, then you're always going to be aware, and you know you have the right to change according to how that person has changed, and you could decide if you continue to trust, or trust more or less. You could decide if they deserve your trust, and you can keep yourself safe that way, but that takes a lot of semantic work, a lot of healing of whatever traumas be even before the traumas before this betrayal. It takes time to really be able to do that. It's not a easy mastery, and it's easy to slip up. So there's no perfect way to do any of this. You just do the best you can one day at a time. So I want to thank you for listening and have a great day.