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Unconditional Love Does NOT Mean Accepting Harm
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Unconditional love is sacred, but the way many of us were taught to practice it can quietly destroy our peace. We’re breaking down a simple truth that changes everything: unconditional love does not mean unconditional tolerance. If you’ve ever stayed too long, explained away disrespect, or told yourself you were “being spiritual” while your body felt tense and unsafe, this conversation offers a clearer path.
We talk about the trauma patterns that wire people to confuse love with endurance, especially for empaths, healers, and anyone raised in chaos, addiction, narcissistic environments, or emotional neglect. When connection gets linked to survival, we learn to overgive, people please, stay silent, and justify harmful behavior as compassion. We also explore the nervous system side of boundaries, including the somatic signals that show up when a dynamic is unsafe: hypervigilance, shallow breathing, gut tension, brain fog, and emotional exhaustion. Love can live in your heart, but boundaries live in your nervous system.
We also name spiritual bypassing for what it is when “high vibe” language pressures you into proximity. You can forgive without re-entry. You can pray for someone and still block their number. Healthy love includes mutual respect, accountability, repair, reciprocity, and emotional safety. And if you’re grieving after you stop tolerating harm, you’re not failing at love, you’re releasing the fantasy and returning to integrity.
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Unconditional Love Vs Tolerance
SPEAKER_00Hello everyone and welcome to another episode of my podcast, Soul Talk and Psychic Advice. Today we're going to talk about something that gets spiritually misunderstood all the time. I mean, I think a lot of people haven't figured this one out. And what it is is the phrase unconditional love. We hear phrases like love them anyway. You know, despite whatever they done, right? Send love to them, rise above it, be the bigger person. Love is unconditional. You know, we see a lot of things that could be unhealthy and harmful. But here's the truth that many of us, especially healers, in paths, and grieving hearts, have had to learn the hard way. Unconditional love does not mean unconditional tolerance. So let's get this clear. You can unconditionally love someone, but it doesn't not mean unconditional tolerance. Loving someone does not require you to tolerate disrespect, harm, abuse, or any of it. It does not require you to endure emotional harm. No. It does not require you to abandon yourself, never. You know, because if you don't understand what healthy unconditional love is, you will end up abandoning yourself. And for many of us, especially those who grew up in unstable or traumatic environments, we were taught that love meant staying. You know, my mom didn't stay. You know, my mom stayed but we were poor, we suffered. But you know, a lot of times people stay, and probably for that reason, so that they're not poor and suffering, but also because they're told you love no matter what, love must endure. And it's like, no, it should not endure, you know, abuse, disrespect, mistreatment, none of that. So even when it hurt, people stayed, right? And I hear people all the time, they're they're like, I'm gonna stay because I love this person unconditionally. It's like this person is killing your soul, but they will choose to stay. And who am I to tell somebody to stay or leave? That isn't what I'm meant to do. I was meant to facilitate and they make their own decisions. So today we're going to untangle this what unconditional love actually is, why tolerance is different, how trauma wires us to confuse the two because it does, and how to love deeply without disappearing. Because that's the key to not lose yourself when you love someone. A lot of people will lose themselves. So let's talk about what is unconditional love. Unconditional love means I care about your humanity regardless of your behavior. That's what it means. But it also means I can hold compassion for your wounds. It also means your worth as a human being is not dependent upon being perfect, it's not dependent on perfection. Unconditional love is internal, it's a posture of the heart, but unconditional tolerance is external. Tolerance is about what behavior you allow in your nervous system, it's about what you will accept, it's about what you continue participating in. Love is a feeling and a choice. It is a choice. A lot of people don't realize that. Love is a choice. Tolerance is a boundary decision, they are not the same. You can love someone and still say, I cannot participate in this dynamic, right? You just love them from afar. Loving them doesn't mean you have to stay and endure the nonsense. This is not a failure of love. This is regulation, right? There are people I love but I know I can't interact with, they're just not in a healthy place. I've done too much therapy to go backwards. And so that's what I would say to you as you listen to this podcast. Ask yourself, do you know someone that you're trying to love that is harmful to you? Now you know it is safe and it's still unconditional love to love them from a distance, but you don't have to participate in the trauma, the toxicity, or allow yourself to be mistreated. So let's talk about the confusion, trauma and the confusion of love with endurance, right? So many of us were conditioned to equate love with endurance, right? If you grew up in chaos, emotional inconsistency, addiction, narcissistic environments for sure, religious rigidity, or even subtle emotional neglect. You likely learned that love meant tolerating discomfort. And it could be very familiar, and a lot of people will have relationships in adulthood that resemble what they experienced in childhood. So your nervous system adapted. It said connection equals safety. I must maintain connection at all cost. So you stay connected even to the unhealthy environment because it means safety. That's what you learned from growing up. So even if it meant overgiving, which a lot of people do, or people pleasing, a lot of people, people please. Staying silent, a lot of people are scared to talk. They don't want to cause conflict and they don't want anybody mad at them. Minimizing harm or explaining away disrespect. So many people do that. I've lived in environments where I've seen a lot of that. This is especially common in healers and in paths. It is, and it overlaps with spirituality. We try to see the potential and the greatness in everybody and just love them through their wounds, but you have to have boundaries. Compassionate detachment is what it is. You can have compassion, but from a distance. So we can see the wound in other people. We understand their trauma. That's what happens with healers and impasse. We understand their triggers, we understand their pain. And we tell ourselves they don't mean it. Yep, we say that. They probably did. They're grieving, yes. Their stress, yes. So compassion becomes justification. And I tell you, I like to start sharing myself more because I think I had some a lot of learning examples in life, and now I'm 55, and I had a lot of compassion and empathy for people that I kept around longer than what I should have. And all it did was it just killed my energy, it was detrimental to me. And I just realized, okay, I know it's because I have compassion, I understand, you know, my work, I have empathy, but I had to end friendships and family relationships, or it was gonna kill my soul. So ask yourself, are you keeping somebody around because you understand their pain, their wounds, and you just want to be empathetic and compassionate because I know in society we're very obsessed with empathy, right? And accusing people of having it, not having it, not having enough of it, and it causes people who don't want to be judged to become overly empathetic in situations that they need to have boundaries in. But remember, you can have unconditional love and boundaries, you can have compassion and boundaries, you can have empathy and boundaries, you do not have to sacrifice yourself, no self-abandonment. So the justification of their behavior does become self-abandonment because you're tolerating stuff that you shouldn't tolerate because you're being understanding. That is not unconditional love, that is trauma bonding. Yes, you formed a trauma bond by understanding their wounds. Sadly, but true, that's what's happening. So let's talk about the nervous system perspective. Let's talk somatically when you tolerate ongoing disrespect, manipulation, or instability, your nervous system does not interpret this as spiritual maturity, it does not. And don't let anybody tell you a mature person has to put up with nonsense. That's manipulation on their part. And it's weird. I tell you something, being like a trauma-informed coach and also having a spiritual background, people expect me to tolerate some nonsense. And I've seen online when I've been firm with people who are unkind to me, not nasty to them, but firm. They say, Well, you don't sound spiritual, you don't sound compassionate, you don't sound trauma-informed. And I said, Oh, so you interpret spirituality as you should be able to mistreat me, and I just take it because I'm supposed to do the love and light. Do not do that, people. And I know a lot of people will do that, or they say they're taking the high road, but be careful, don't do that. That is a spiritual maturity, that's self-abandonment. And so what happens is that your nervous system interprets it as a threat, the ongoing disrespect, manipulation, or instability. It's not seen as spiritual maturity. Even if your mind says, I love them, your body may feel tightness in the chest, shallow breathing, hypervigilance, emotional exhaustion, brain fog, or gut tension. Yes. The body keeps the score. Definitely that's what's happening. You cannot override biology with spiritual language. A lot of people try to, and it hurts them. Unconditional love lives in the heart, but boundaries live in the nervous system. That's where boundaries live in the nervous system. And if your body feels chronically unsafe, that is information. Unconditional tolerance teaches the body, my safety is less important than maintaining connection. Right? And so unconditional tolerance is telling you, okay, you are saying that your safety is less important because you really just want to keep this connection at all costs. No, that's why you can't have unconditional tolerance. That belief creates burnout, resentment, and eventually collapse, emotional collapse. It does. Some people get sick behind it. You know, your immune system can lower behind it. You can create health problems behind it. The grief of setting boundaries. There is a grief in setting boundaries when you first start setting them. Here's the part people don't talk about. When you stop tolerating harmful behavior, you will grieve. You will, because you're changing, you're transitioning, you're saying yes to yourself and no to other people. And if you're an overgiver or people pleaser, that's gonna be so hard to do. It's gonna be so uncomfortable. And it's gonna cause grief. And it's because often what you're releasing is the fantasy, the fantasy that they will change, right? They will finally see me. I'm sure a lot of people in abusive relationships hope for these things. They will choose me. This need to be chosen is dangerous. They will rise to the occasion. Yeah, because it's a fantasy. You're seeing the potential in them that they don't have. When you shift from unconditional tolerance to healthy boundaries, you may lose the relationship, definitely. I lost a lot of people when I started setting boundaries. And that hurts at first. You can deeply love someone and recognize this dynamic is harming me. That is important. That recognition brings grief. Grief for what you hoped it could be. Grief for the version of them you wished existed. Grief for the future you imagined. This is where many people This is where many people go back to. This is why. Not because they lack clarity but because they fear the grief of letting go, so they go back. Unconditional love says I love you. Yeah, that's what unconditional love says, I love you. But healthy boundaries say, and I love myself too. That's important to understand. Because you love yourself too, you know not to do it, right? So let's talk about spiritual bypassing and the high vibe tolerance stuff. In spiritual communities, unconditional tolerance is often disguised as enlightenment. Yes, we hear just send them light. Don't lower your vibration, stay open-hearted. Love wins, right? Send them love, send them light. But loving someone does not require proximity. No, you can love them at a distance. Compassion does not require access. It does not. Forgiveness does not require re-entry, and this is why a lot of people won't forgive because they think you have to fully invite this person back into your life. It's like, no, what about if this person hasn't done any work or healed, or you you know, maybe you ran the karma, it's the end of the karma, so they should not be invited back into your life at all. You don't have to. And you're choosing to move forward. You do not have to reconnect with that person. A lot of people think they have to, that's why they won't forgive because they're like, then I'm making this okay. And it's like, no. And so you can forgive someone and never speak to them again. Yes, you can. You can pray for someone and block their phone number. Yes, you can. You can send light and lock the door. Boundaries are not unspiritual, they are embody wisdom. And I know a lot of people see boundaries as mean, especially people who want to manipulate, right? They don't want you to have boundaries. So let's talk about what healthy love actually looks like. Healthy love has structure, it includes mutual respect. Yes, mutual respect, accountability, repair, emotional safety, and reciprocity. It's give and take. It's not always equal, right? But it should be there. Definitely. Sometimes one party needs more than the other needs, but it should not be your giving all and not receiving none. So unconditional love means I do not withdraw my recognition of your humanity. But healthy boundaries mean I withdraw my participation in harmful behavior. That distinction changes everything. You can say I love you and I accept beings I cannot accept being spoken to that way. Right? I care about you and I would not continue the conversation if you yell. I forgive you and I am choosing distance. That is not cruelty, that is integration. For healers, impasse and grieving hearts. If you're someone who feels deeply, understands trauma, sees potential in people, believes in redemption, you are especially vulnerable to confusing unconditional love with unconditional tolerance. You may think if I just love them enough, they heal. But healing requires willingness. It does. You know, they have to want to heal. You cannot beg somebody to heal, force someone to heal. You can pray for it, you can want it all you want, but it's not for you, it's for them to decide. And what you have and and probably you want that so that you don't have to walk away from that person, right? So that you could keep them in your life, and because you love them so much, you want to see their greatness. And this happens a lot when people are spiritual, they just start seeing the greatness in everyone. Because everyone has some form of greatness, right? Whether they're living it or not. But you know, this thing of I'm spiritual and I'm aware, and I just want everybody to see their spiritual essence and know their greatness is very dangerous because it'll take you away from yourself, so busy trying to fix someone, and it's not our job to fix anybody, nobody's in a position to fix anyone. The person who needs the work has to be willing to do it themselves, and you know that's the only way that change can happen. And I know we can pray for people, but even when you pray for someone, you can't pray, oh God, change this person's heart, make them better. You say, God, you know what's needed for this person, you know what they need to do. I'm leaving it up to you if you're a praying person. If you're manifesting, you can't do it in a way to say, I want this to be a certain way for person. You have to say, This person knows what needs to be done for them, give them the strength to do it. You know, it's separate yourself some because if you don't, if you have this, I'm gonna save the world mentality, you'll lose yourself. Ask me how I know. Used to be that person. I've spoken to many people like that, and you end up miserable trying to save someone because you can't. So let's continue. You cannot love someone into accountability, you cannot. Not your spouse, not your kids, not your family member, not your best friend, no one. You cannot regulate someone who refuses regulation, you can't, and you cannot sacrifice your nervous system for someone else's evolution. Real love does not require self-erasure. I have a story I want to share quickly. When I first started doing best, I had a client who came up, yeah, I was in LA and they came up from the San Diego area, and their parents forced them there. This person was an adult, and this person was just hurting, angry, so much going on. And the parents, they will all come up on the train, and I don't know why they came all the way up to me because there are other best practitioners, and I wasn't big on the internet or anything, I wasn't advertising, but they came to me about four four or five times, and they're like, We we just want this person better, we want our child better, we want them better, we want them better. This child was an adult, and you know, I would work on this person, but I had to tell them this person isn't ready for this, and you're doing so much effort to help this person. That's beautiful, that's love, and you're a loving, wonderful parent. But your adult child has to be ready for this because even if you're doing Reiki energy healing, anything, you can't force healing onto someone, it doesn't work that way. The person has to have some part of them ready to receive it. Even if someone gets on the table and say, you know, I don't know if I believe in stuff, I give it a try. There's a little bit of openness because they say I give it a try. But if they get on your table, And they're just shut down, they're not ready. And you can't crack someone open that doesn't want to be cracked open. So just keep that in mind. You know, and it just didn't work for that person, and it was okay. And hopefully they found what they needed later and they're happy, you know. But you can't force healing onto anyone, it doesn't work that way, especially energy-based stuff. No. So we're gonna close this out. Unconditional love is sacred, it is powerful, it is healing, it is expansive. But unconditional tolerance is self-abandonment disguised as virtue. You are allowed to love deeply and set firm boundaries. You're allowed to have compassion and say no. You're allowed to forgive and still walk away. Love does not require you to stay in harm, it requires you to stay in integrity. And sometimes the most loving thing you could do is for them and for yourself to do that, right? It is. It is to stop tolerating what breaks you because don't confuse unconditional love with unconditional tolerance. They are two separate things. So I hope this gives you something to think about in a different perspective and a different approach. I want to thank you for listening. Have a great day, and I will see you in the next episode.