Un libro de cuentas (Livorno, 1673)

Kate y José conversan con Inés del Sa, investigadora del Istituto Storico Italo-Germanico en el proyecto ERC “HolyLab” (U. Roma Tre),  Un libro de cuentas proveniente del comisario franciscano de Tierra Santa en Livorno de 1673. 

Transcript

SPEAKER_00 0:01

Kate, you know that most of the historians are these documents that are a little bit older, no? And I can tell you one precision. Do you guard the list of the company?

SPEAKER_02 0:14

No, not. Why?

SPEAKER_00 0:17

Because everything would say the story of an historian like Kate Mills and their company and how they alienated. But because you don't hear, we should agree to this connection. But now we transport to the 17th to have a little bit that provides the commissary Franciscan of the Tierra Santa of Toscana in Liborno precisamente of 1773. This is a podcast in which we have an object historic with the investigation who studied. This was the support of conversation with Inez Del Star. Inez is an investigator in the Institute of Historic Italy Germanic of Trent, who is the base of data of the project OLAV, which is a project ERC financing by the Union European European and is the professor Felicita Tramontana in the University of Roma III. Inez a master in history at the University of Nova of Lisboa, and his interests centered in the intercambies cultural in Europe with focus in religion, literature, and gender, and the design of digital for the investigation.

SPEAKER_01 1:56

It's a cuent which is much to a common of the epoch modern, but which lists gas and this commissariat. This particular is 1673 and 1712, and there is a little bit of it, gas of dinner, but also indios of objects, via. In this context, the quent that we have to list, it's important for the custodian, the commissariat knows where the dinner and how is it and if it's my public of Terra Santa?

SPEAKER_00 3:17

What are they protecting? What is ubicated?

SPEAKER_01 3:20

Well, the custodian of Terra Santa is in Jerusalem and protect those who are in the sort of Palestine, the island of Santo Sepulcro, and localized in a city that obviously is a little hostile for the Christianos, and most of those Liman who are enquadried in a territory geographical historic that is Christian. And how the dinero? These are like Chipre to Jerusalem, but also from Goa to Jerusalem, or from Lima to Jerusalem, which obviously have those parades, because they went directly from Lima and Jerusalem, obviously they need to paradise, and in this registration where they were these people, what were they, and this is very interesting because the library of the comments do the movement of the dinner, but also the movement of people. But the problem is it's also the dinner, it's also the life of those people, their videos, what things compared and those, what we need.

SPEAKER_00 5:40

And also for curiosity, what type of objects would you enjoy? Because you think franciscan, but italian, what can pasta, because the Italians are more fashionable with alimentage, including in the object enjoy?

SPEAKER_01 5:58

Come on, much, medicine, because the people were enfermed, ropa, because the people have ropa, and ropa interior, we have registers of ropa interior, articles domestic, and there was obviously objects devotional like rosaries that were very important, lives, because these limons and the dinner that we enviated to Jerusalem obviously the dinner was important to these sites, but also for the people who did this, the object had a pay that the dinner would support.

SPEAKER_02 6:56

And there's a form of check, for example, in Jerusalem, that all the dinner of the Toscana has all the objects have, or this is for the proper community in the Toscana to provide them that they enviated this.

SPEAKER_01 7:38

And we were in many routes commercial, because they compared the routes commercial than the commercials, in embarking there were objects for Jerusalem, but objects for vendor or for alone who is in a X, which is the embarking, if they were in a certain point and enjoy a message to me, they go to the embarrassment, and in the world they register in this person. And record that the Franciscans are an order that I mean, they have a vote of pobling.

SPEAKER_00 8:40

Generally of history of art, but now it's the first time we have a human digital.

SPEAKER_01 9:13

But obviously, the content we have one hour, but it's one in a period of 50 years or the commissariat of Toscana. The custody, as I think, have commissariat for the world. So these or other types of documents are produced for the custodian, there are much. If they are interested in livings that are enviated to Jerusalem, you can filter the information also for lives in Jerusalem and learn all the other entradas that interest. I don't think it's sencillous, but more direct, and then permits and investigations, because if you have a man complex and combination different aspects that are using, the information of another man. And in this website, the base of data where the investigator will also go to the list of entrades of these, or something concrete, like the rope interior of the frail, get away from ropa interior, and there are the entrances that have ropa interior. I don't know what to use, nobody will use it.

SPEAKER_00 17:06

And I'm going to say background historian at the science of data.

SPEAKER_01 17:57

But it's also a lot of student, not a way that one would have to create a few and digital. An object that could manipulate and have something with it. But it's really important that in the project there alone with formation and history and humanity digital to have this critique of when we convier the original to digital, sort of pensando what the historian will have in the future with it.

SPEAKER_02 19:55

And now you're a library of cuentas and contestar, what serious things are.

SPEAKER_01 21:53

One day we'll look in castellano for this. Then, for a little bit more of the custody, I recommend the article of Felice Tatramontana, who is the coordinator of our project, which was public in the Journal Social History in 2023. And for ultimate, an publication recent in the Accounting History Review of our postdoc, Antonio, which is Poor Accounting for Gods. These publications are, and these and others, and futures, lists in the web of HolyLab, which is holilab.uniroma 3, it. And I will mention other types of outputs, we're saying, digital have much to do with this, which is when one of our investigators, who is Antonio and Yodice, is produced away from METS, an object that in the future can use, and we can work, you have a commissariat, have those abilities, and your objective is to learn and object at the time, so you can incorporate what are the people who have these and stay from else during two or three hours.

SPEAKER_00 23:15

Much Inés.

SPEAKER_01 23:19

Much to invit me to the podcast.

SPEAKER_02 23:21

Much a younger, conversation very interesting with Inés, what has he done?

SPEAKER_00 23:30

Well, apparently, instruments contact, which is one of the people, is a revelation. And this set of objects that we have in our podcast has been super bonus because we permit how objects that we think are objects, but contain many objects, there are nuances, new moments, and how the human digital open ports like an instrument, like the cine, which audience to perspectives that a living of miles of objects is difficult to take, no?

SPEAKER_02 24:20

And we have those to perspectives of these documents, we need engineers quiz for the part of big data or her historians not, but we can depend on those historians, because we know what type of campus we can use, how useful, how etiquette, what is important for a historian, why not content to maintain the transcription, which one person said, but necessarily the transcription? But we should know that in stories is important.

SPEAKER_00 25:14

LascosTenenVida.com.

SPEAKER_02 25:28

Chao