Real Health Talk

Episode 45: The Return - Truth, Habits, Energy and Real Health

Zak & Jordan

It’s our first episode back in person, and it’s a big one. We open up about the challenges in our relationship, the philosophy shifts we’ve had in health and life, and why so many people are chasing health the wrong way.

This conversation moves from personal honesty to big-picture truths - how belief systems shape your reality, why unlearning is often harder than learning, and how fear, scarcity, and external noise keep people disconnected from their own energy and intuition.

We dive into spirituality, energy work, and the very human process of habit change, all while reflecting on what it actually takes to create real, lasting transformation.

This episode is for anyone who’s been questioning the industry, feeling stuck in old patterns, or looking for a deeper approach to health, healing, and life itself.

We explore topics like:

  • The reality of navigating challenges in a relationship
  • Why so many people chase health from fear instead of connection
  • How to change habits by unlearning before adding more
  • The role of belief systems in shaping health and freedom
  • Scarcity vs abundance, and why most people are trapped in the former
  • Energy work and spirituality as tools for growth
  • The danger of outsourcing your wisdom to the industry
  • Finding the courage to face fear and build new ways of living

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🎧 Chapters

00:00 Our Relationship Challenges and What We’ve Learned
 21:15 Belief Systems and How They Shape Your Reality
 26:47 Scarcity vs Abundance: A New Philosophy of Living
 32:55 Spirituality, Energy Work, and Tuning Into Yourself
 39:28 Facing Fear and the Patterns That Hold You Back
 45:16 The Role of Trust, Presence, and Connection in Healing
 51:43 Creating Real Transformation Beyond Quick Fixes
 01:00:12 Closing Reflections and What’s Next

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