Get Off The Doomsday Express (with Holli Holliday)

In 2024, Win With Black Women held a Zoom call with 44,000 women that raised 1.5 million dollars for Kamala Harris in just 3 hours. You might remember a number of similar Zoom calls around that time, from White Women Answer The Call to White Dudes For Harris, but Win With Black Women was the original. They were the blueprint.

That 2024 call wasn’t a one-time thing, either — every Sunday night, Win With Black Women hosts a call where women can learn from each other and be in community. And that spirit of collectivism, community and joy shines in every word we heard from Holli Holliday on the pod this week.

Holli is the co-convener of Win With Black Women as well as the president of Sisters Lead, Sisters Vote. She shared some great news with us about how Black women candidates are winning elections across the country — and not just in majority Black districts. They’re winning everywhere.

Holli’s full of joy and hope, but it’s not in a bland Pollyanna sort of way. She says that despite the national narratives of doom and hopelessness, she’s been seeing more and more everyday acts of kindness. When we share our stories and our resources with each other, we’re all lifted up in the process.

Here's to getting off the Doomsday Express!

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How To Not Lose Your Sh!t - Episode 23

Katie: Hi everyone. Welcome to How to Not Lose Your Shit. I'm Katie Paris, the founder of Red Wine and Blue.

LaFonda: And I'm LaFonda Cousin, a part-time yoga instructor, self-care advocate, and the chief people officer here at Red Wine and Blue. 

Katie: Okay, so today we're joined by Holli Holliday. 

LaFonda: Mm-hmm. 

Katie: She is the president of Sisters Lead Sisters Vote and the co-convener of Win With Black Women. If that sounds familiar, that's because they are the ones who held that virtual call in 2024 to support Kamala Harris's presidential campaign. And more than 44,000 women got on this Zoom call and they raised a million and a half dollars in just three hours. It inspired so many similar calls, right? So like, the Zoom calls raising money for Kamala Harris became a thing. There was the White Women for Harris Answer The Call one, there was the White Dudes for Harris. There was like everything. And Win with Black Women was the original, it was the trendsetter. 

LaFonda: Yeah. 

Katie: Um, it became a whole thing, you know? 

LaFonda: Mm-hmm. 

Katie: Holli is just such a pioneer, you know, and in the midst of all that, she's just one of these people who feels like she's never losing her shit. You know? Like she has always felt grounded, always feels focused, centered, you know, in no way, like, kind of like, “oh, kumbaya, just like zen.” Like she is getting it done, bringing everyone with her, but in the midst of it, she just never feels chaotic. She's so focused and every time, it's not just every time I talk to Holli, literally every time I even text with Holli, it brings my heart rate down. 

LaFonda: She feels like she just has it all sort of figured out, right? She's got the joy and she's got the courage and she's got, she's just got it figured out the way to just balance the hard stuff and how to make it feel like it's all gonna be okay.

Katie: Yeah. 

LaFonda: And that's, that's a really difficult thing to do, but she does it in a way that makes it just feel not only powerful, but also easy. And I don't know how she makes it feel easy. 

Katie: I don't either. I don't either, because it, it, it feels like, “oh, wait, okay.” When I'm talking to her, I feel like, “okay, I can relax,” but I don't ever feel like, “oh, she let me off the hook.”

LaFonda: Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. 

Katie: I always feel more focused and ready, and yet at the same time, my heart rate is down. 

LaFonda: You do still feel like there's work to do. You still feel like you wanna join a call, you still wanna do the work, but you, you feel like she's just someone you can go to to figure out what that balance is 

Katie: And, and we know, like, the reason why that balance is so important is because we know we do our best work if we are feeling grounded. 

LaFonda: Yeah. 

Katie: And so it's like, God, she's just modeling that so beautifully. The part of the interview that really just like, kind of hit me in the gut, like in a really good way, was where she pointed out, and I think this is part of it, she's, I just feel like she's constantly, like, again, calling in, but like in a way where you don't even feel like you're being like, called out or in or anything.

You just feel like… you're like feeling it, you know? =And where she said, you know, it is so important for us to have these uncomfortable conversations, to not avoid the tough topics because it is the things that we avoid that get exploited. 

LaFonda: Mm-hmm. 

Katie: Like, “oh, don't talk about race. That's not polite.” Okay, well then, you know, then racism is just gonna get worse. It's gonna bite us. 

LaFonda: Yep. 

Katie: You know, or things around gender, politics or, but really anything.

LaFonda: Anything. Religion.

Katie: Yeah, religion, anything in, in politics, like let's just avoid that. It's too uncomfortable. Maybe if we avoid it, it'll go away and we can just pretend none of this is happening.

And if you just look at whether you– I mean, as she said, that's not just like the history of America. That is literally, that is your relationship with your child. With your spouse. 

LaFonda: Yep. With your family, with your siblings, with everybody. Your friends. If you avoid it, it is the thing that is going to cause a rift.

Katie: Yeah. And then, and it's like just as in terms of our relationships and our personal lives, as with the country, when we do that hard work of confronting it, which is not fun, is definitely uncomfortable, you know? Your heart rate is gonna go up going into those conversations, but damn it, if not every single time when it's all said and done, if you're not in a better place because of the healing.

LaFonda: Yeah. 

Katie: I mean, the thing I feel about with Holli – and it just makes me wanna show up for everyone else this way too, she's just a real role model for me – is that I just feel like I can be myself. She is interested in who I am as a person and she's interested in bringing her whole self. And what that creates then is a sense of connection that creates a sense of trust and from there, the possibilities become limitless. I really feel like everybody needs to know who Holli Holliday is. 

LaFonda: Absolutely. 

Katie: I, I mean, a lot of people do, obviously. You know, she is, she talks to thousands of women every week, but I just think more women, more white women need to know who she is. 

LaFonda: Mm-hmm. 

Katie: And oh man, she is not only bringing the inspiration, but she brings the facts too when it comes to electability of Black women. You know, I think that, so I, I have not shared with anyone the basic facts from her report and had them not be, “wow!” Like the fact that it's not just that Black women are getting elected in cities, y'all, it's not just that they're getting elected in districts that are 90%, or, you know, majority Black. They're getting elected even in the places like she said, that are only 1% Black voters. And, and she got to the why behind that too. 

LaFonda: Mm-hmm.  

Katie: You know, Black women's power in terms of relationship builders, networkers, their natural networks that they are existing in and building those leadership skills and not traditional ways.

LaFonda: Yeah. That they're building relationships before they're running, right? It's not that I'm building and networking and building relationships because I've decided to run. I've decided to run because I've already started to build those relationships before. And I think that's, I think that's really important.

It doesn't feel like you are… it doesn't feel transactional, right? Like you're using people to get where you need to go. You are getting where you need to go because you truly care about the people, right? The people were the catalyst and not the other way around. 

Katie: I think that's super relatable for all women because as we know, women do not just like get outta bed being like, “I should be president or a member of Congress,” you know? But we will end up running for office because it's like the thing I care about. I can't get done unless leadership changes. So damnit, I guess it's gonna be me. You know? Like that's how women get there, but also the process of getting there prepares her. I think that we as women need to recognize how that life path is such amazing preparation for leading. We're already leading in so many different capacities and so, you know, adding running for office being one more way in which we show up for our communities. 

So we're gonna keep talking about that. We're gonna keep sharing all the facts about how Black women need to be our candidates because they win no matter where they're running. We're so far from having representation that actually represents the beautiful diversity of this country, and we're not gonna be as good as we can be until that representation is more reflective. 

And I think that… gosh, let's just keep talking to Holli all we can. 

LaFonda: As many times as we can. Everyone should know who Holli is. 

Katie: Okay. Today we are joined by Holli Holliday. She's the president of Sisters Lead, Sisters Vote, and the co-convener of Win With Black Women. You remember the group that hosted the amazing Black women for Harris Zoom call back in 2024 that drew 44,000 women and raised one and a half million dollars in just three hours.

Hey Holli. Thank you so much for joining us. 

Holli: Hey, Katie. Hey, LaFonda. 

LaFonda: Hello. It's so good to have you. 

Katie: Yes, it is a treat. Okay. Speaking of Zoom calls, I just wanna go back to something that you said when you joined us on one of our recent Zooms, Moms for Good, we got the leaders of women's groups, mom groups, caregiver groups together after the murder of Renee Goode. You said something simple, but it just makes me think of you, Holli. And so I just want you to say more. You just said that what sustains us is joy and hope. And I think like, we're, we're hearing that more and more, and that's a good thing. But like when you say it, I believe it.

Holli: Oh, I believe it. So that's the authenticity coming through. 

Listen, first of all. We have got to get off the Doomsday Machine Express because there are some powerful moments happening across our communities and we, and, and we experience them every day, but for whatever reason, we are not sharing them. We gotta stop that. We gotta make sure that people know that even simple acts of kindness are actually on the rise and not on the decrease. We need to be thinking about that. 

I mean, even in my building, the number of people that are now like saying hello, you know, checking on you, I mean, we've just been through this horrific ice thing and we're all outside with our dogs and the bond that we had, even just trying to rescue the dogs that are trying to climb up the ice mountains that is not happening… I mean, even those little moments matter. And say, we care about other humans that live on this planet. 

Katie: Mm-hmm. Our brains are wired, right, to focus on the doom, to focus on the threats, the scary, the negative. We can hear a room full of compliments and one person says something nasty, and that's all we could think about in loose over at night.

How do you… like, do you have a different operating system, Holli? Like how do you override that? 

Holli: Yeah. Let me tell you, first of all, what I recognize is people who are part of the oppression class thrive on our ability to only focus on the things that divide us. Yeah. And so I just got tired of contributing to their madness and I said, what can I do in my life to be part of the abundance class? The class that says there's actually enough of us and enough of the things that we need to accomplish all of our dreams and hopes? That it doesn't have to be this binary construct where one loses and one wins, we can all win. Like winning is an abundant construct. 

And so then I just started. When I was about in middle school, a wonderful woman named SuEllen Fried started in our community the Kindness is Contagious program, and she challenged us every day just to acknowledge one moment of kindness, whether we created it or someone else created it and we observed it. Just to stop for just a second and say “that was kind,” and it forces you to then think about the rippling effects of kindness.

Like you, Katie, I'm Midwestern. So we Midwesterners, we are what I call honest kind, right? We're not that sickly sweet, like “bless your heart” kind of kind. We're that hearty, industrious, like “this really made a difference” kind of kind. And so I think where it comes from and start small, start with something that is just easy, you know? And believe it or not, these little acts of kindness lead to big moments of justice. 

Katie: Oh, I love that. And I love how you're talking about it almost as like a habit. Like you don't form habits by all of a sudden being like, I'm going to, you know, do yoga every single day from zero. Right? It's like, it's that habit formation. I love thinking about looking for the kindness and the hope and the joy that way too. 

LaFonda: I think that sometimes in these moments you feel like everything is so out of control, so chaotic, so heavy that you almost feel a sense of guilt and finding joy in things like you're supposed to. Joy is how you take the next step. Joy is how you, you know, keep going every day. If everything feels heavy, you just, you will not want to wake up in the morning. You will not want to get out of bed and take the next step. You will not want to keep going. You have to find some joy in life. 

Holli: Think about the movies you like. Your favorite drama. It has all the plot twists and the turns, but if it didn't have a few moments of humor, a few moments of light and levity, you would literally probably not even make it through the film. You would be sobbing your cornflakes midway through and not even able to view it. So it is so important.

And I think the other thing, and you said something really important, LaFonda. Joy doesn't have to be an explosion. Joy can be something small and even stringing the small things together. You mentioned being a mom. I know one of my favorite things is watching children smile. And they can smile at just the most innocent things and just to say, you know, “Ah. That’s joy.”

LaFonda: Mm-hmm. 

Holli: And it's even more powerful when you know you've done something to create the smile. 

LaFonda: This is one of the things that, like me and my cousin are always like, this is why we can't sit together at a funeral, because it doesn't… there's always something that is going to make us giggle. Um, and it's not because it's not a serious moment, it's just because in that moment we need something to get through the moment.

And it's also why you go, you know, to um, you know, a repast or something and people are telling the stories that make you happy in those moments you are sharing. That's all we did after my grandfather's funeral, was tell the things that he said that were funny or crazy or, you know, that brought us joy because that is how you get through those moments.

Holli: Listen, we're experiencing it right now with Reverend Jackson. We were on our Win with Black Women call last night and the amazing stories that came up around Reverend Jackson. Oh my God. And even after the call was over, people were still sending me moments that they experienced with him. All joyful. All joyful. We were to blessed to have Ashley Jackson join us and she shared, she said, “you know, every time I hear a story, it reminds me of what a joy maker my father was.” And that's all, that's all of our lives when we pass. We've done crazy stuff. I know  have, lord knows, but I know that, you know, living joyfully… that's what really sticks with people actually. 

LaFonda: Yeah. I love it. 

Holli, Black women have been leading the way in activism, community organizing for forever. 

Holli: Yeah. 

LaFonda: And we have a little bit different perspective on it than many white women do. And this year I have heard, um, white women saying things like, “It's never been this bad before.” So speaking of like, doom scrolling and, and, and sort of doomsday thing. “It's never been this bad before.” “I can't wait for this to be over.” Um, “When this ends.”

And we know Black organizers know that this actually doesn't end, we've been living in it sort of forever. That incessancy can be really hard to hold. So how do you sustain it and talk about it, um, and help people in these moments?

Holli: Listen. I've been in politics over 30 years, so I am the master of the pivot. And I would say, you may call it spin, but sometimes you need a little spin in your life. This is the most access that we've ever had to the craziness. The curtains are thinner, um, more people are pulling them back. And so it is not that this is the worst it's ever been, but this is the worst you may have experienced because our access is so much wider. Opportunity and access are not always a pleasant thing. And so what access brings us is responsibility. When you now know better, you do better. And so I look at this as an opportunity for us to do better. 

You know, growing up my grandparents cautioned us about publicly speaking about politics, about race, religion, sex, money, right? The big five. And guess what? That got us nowhere that got us, that kept us ignorant and uninformed. And now every day I talk probably about all of those things, maybe not in equal measure, all of those things. And by talking about it, we now are able to come up with what works for the community that we're in. 

When we don't talk about it, when we make it a dirty little secret, even though it's not, or we make it taboo, we can't figure out how to engage those things as a community and as a society. But when we talk about 'em, yeah, sometimes they're tough. A lot of times they're tough conversations. But at the end of those conversations, we have greater understanding, awareness, and sensitivity, and ultimately, if we keep having them, we'll be a better society. 

Katie: Holli, you said that you grew up being told, “oh, we don't talk about this, we don't talk about that. We don't talk about these things.” Did you have a change moment? How did you get from there to here? 

Holli: So what I said was, we don't talk about these things in public. 

Katie: Okay. 

Holli: We were always talking about them around the dinner table at my house. And so the cautionary tale was if you go out of this house and start talking about that, people are gonna think you're Cuckoo for Cocoa Puffs. They're gonna come after you because these things are taboo in our society. But we want you all to be informed. We want you all to be comfortable. 

So for me, it was never a thing of taboo, but it was an understanding that I lived in, that I was kind of having a duality at some point. Like I think happens with a lot of people who have to live in double spaces, it becomes untenable. And luckily I've been in therapy since I was 12 and my therapist was like, “oh, this is unsustainable.” So then I had to figure out the integration. And the integration was, I guess I'm just gonna have to deal with what comes when we bring these subjects up and we see it. 

Even now – Katie, you and I have had this conversation– the thing that we don't talk about, whatever that thing is, is gonna be the thing that divides us in every relationship that you have, whether it's with your spouse, your children, your business, your employer, your country, the thing that you don't talk about is gonna be the thing that takes you out. 

Katie: Oh my God, that's wise. That is so damn true. I mean another, yeah, another vote for therapy, everybody.

All right. I want to talk about Black women in elections. There's a misconception out there, like “Black women, oh, we support Black women, but they can't win elections.” You know? We know that the facts actually tell another story. That that is not true. In fact, last year a record number of black women won elections, especially at the state, local level. And once they're in office, they're doing incredible work, getting so much shit done. 

Your organization did an amazing report that I don't think has gotten enough attention on this. So let's give it some more attention. Can you share more about how black women candidates are winning and leading?

Holli: Well, first of all, um, I started this report this year, 'cause this is the third year of the report, and this year I said, “I've got to tackle head on these myths because the myths are keeping us from being successful.” And yes, I wanna be really clear about this. Our organization focuses on Black women unapologetically, but Black women are a model for all women. We are battling the things that, if you are not battling them yet, you will. It just means you haven't exposed your power enough. But once you get there, this is your future. So you need to be ready. 

So one of the myths, as you just pointed out, is Black women can't win if they're not in majority Black voter districts. Which is what all of this redistricting stuff is about. Not, you know, in keeping and dividing our representation and marginalization. But guess what? Last year and in fact years previously, we've been tracking an interesting trend, and it is Black women win everywhere. They win in small towns. They win in big towns, they win in rural towns, they win in urban, ex-urban and urban places. They win in districts that are 90% Black and 1% Black because ultimately what Black women are bringing is unapologetically their own brand of authenticity and leadership. And when they show up that way, they do very well. 

Now, it does mean also that there are some things that they do, and one of the things that that we see consistently that they're doing is they are engaging people and typically their engagement did not start with the election. The engagement started and was the impetus to them being in the races in the first place. And that's another piece that we tracked this year. And one of the ways that we looked at that was we started to ask people, well, what organizations are you a part of? And you know what? More than a third are part of a sorority.

Katie: Mm-hmm. 

Holli: I'll tell you, as a sorority member, trust me when I tell you you've been in a sorority for any length of time, you're gonna learn some leadership skills. 

LaFonda: Yep. 

Holli: You're gonna learn how to pull people together. And I suspect that that is true for all women's groups, right? And so their sense of community and training starts with the organizations that they're already a part of. Um, many of them also, uh, counted being a part of church groups and leadership in churches. And so what they did was they brought the leadership that they had been naturally developing, being moms, right, running the PTA running, they were the boosters for the soccer club. All of those things are the training ground for leadership.

And they didn't learn it from your classic, sort of predominant white male culture that says everybody has to follow the leader, that’s super hierarchical. It doesn't always pay attention to the team, because trust me, if you've ever tried to wrangle a bunch of six year olds after a soccer game for a pizza party, you know, they are not paying attention to anybody's hierarchy. They all wanna be seen. They all wanna be heard, and they wanna make sure that they're getting the attention that you need. And if you know how to do that, trust me, you can wrangle voters. 

Katie: So true. 

LaFonda: If we know that I, if we know that Black women can win anywhere and everywhere, and the reason is because they're a part of all of these groups and they engage voters beforehand – and I know that those leadership skills exist 'cause I'm also a sorority girl. So how do we, how do we change the narrative right now?

Because I'm, I'm in Texas and I'm seeing it right now with Jasmine and Talrico. “She can't win. So like, let's, let's, let's ease him forward a little bit.” How do we change the narrative that Black women can't win if we are seeing so much evidence that they can and they do, and when they do, they're successful?

Holli: Well, I'm gonna start with your premise. They are not seeing the evidence because we are not talking about it enough.

LaFonda: Mm-hmm. 

Holli: Now, who is seeing the evidence? The folks who are coming after them. The folks who really study data, you wanna know why they're coming after them because they actually know they can win. Because, and even when they may be not successful in their election, they're changing the conversation. They're pushing the candidates who are in that election to talk about the things that real people care about, because they're gonna have to deal with those issues whether they're elected or not.

LaFonda: Right. 

Holli: We're gonna have to deal with high grocery bills whether or not we get to Congress or not. We're gonna have to deal with poor traffic conditions whether or not we make it on the city council or not, because we run on the things that matter to people. And so we have that kind of different approach because we have to deal with the fallout of those things in real time, and that resonates.

Unfortunately, not enough people recognize the success that we have. And this goes back for me to the joy piece. We have to trumpet it from the mountaintops how many folks we have that are taking the leadership interest and then even again, even if they don't win, we need to say their names. We need folks to understand who they are and that they have a contribution to make. And when they do win, we need to celebrate it loudly. 

You all know I never… do not give me a mic. Cause I promise you, I will give you an inspirational story about a black woman that won somewhere that did something. My goal is to make sure that I have at least one, but honestly several from any state that I walk into, because we're everywhere.

Do you know we elected a Black woman to the school board in Alaska? I love that. And we have a whole yearbook every year of people, you can go to the state, every state and see who got elected in your state that was a Black woman. And we do that, um, for just this purpose as you mentioned, because the premise of “we don't know” has led us to what is really happening, which is we are not understanding that they can win everywhere. When we do know, then we have to approach it differently. 

Katie: We have gotta talk about it more. We're gonna, so we're talking about it now and we're gonna not gonna stop.  

Holli: Yay. Thanks. Join the evangelist team!

Katie: I’m on it. Anytime I can be on your team. 

Okay. I wanna wrap up by circling back to something else you said on the Moms for Good Call. You said that this isn't about singularity, it's about all of us collectively. 

Holli: Mm-hmm. 

Katie: Is that part of what helps? That just, that hit me really good, really hard. When I think about, you know, 'cause I think so often, it's this individualistic culture, right? And how much we have to hold individually. And that that's too, that's too tall a task. And you had a reframe there. 

Is that part of what helps you not lose your shit? 'Cause I feel like if I can get there more consistently throughout my day, that could help me too. How do we make sure that we stay focused on community when there are so many forces trying to keep us focused just on me, myself, and I? 

Holli: We cannot live on this planet by ourselves as a singular unit. We just, we have a lot of power, but not enough to really even manage our whole situation. I mean, as much as the self-sufficiency movement is rising, even in a self-sufficiency mod, it requires other people to help do certain things. You know, and, and God bless the people who have all the talents and dig into them. I wish I was you, but I'm not. So I have to deal with the blessings that I have been given. 

And I say this, we know that it takes a team to survive and to live. But imagine if our goal was to thrive, how many more people would we want on the team? I run a legacy business. I'm a third generation attorney. And I went to a conference once, with a whole bunch of very wealthy white guys, and this was, this was really an epiphany for me, and I realized that they were all doing business together. They perpetuate the bootstrap myth. Because they know that you can't actually thrive that way.

This again is the scarcity culture versus the abundance culture, and they don't do it themselves. They are not no bootstrap people. I was like, where's the bootstraps? That bootstrap was buried out in the back somewhere. What do they do? They are networking, they are seeking opportunities together. 

Katie: Yep. 

Holli: They are partnering, they are strategizing together. They are not necessarily losing their autonomy, but they are figuring out collaborative business models that work. We need to catch up. 

nd that's, you know, I started - along with a lot of really smart Black women – Sisters Lead Sisters Vote because I wanted to make sure that Black women were positioned not just to lead, but to partner. That we could come to the table the way I saw those white guys, rich white guys coming to the table as equals, and with enough of our own stuff that we could say, “Hey, let's do this together. Let's figure out what parts you can bring and what part I can bring. And I'm coming and entering this conversation at a level of partnership. Not subservient, not subcontractor, not any sub anything, but together.” 

And I hope that the work that we're doing continues to do that. And that means when you show up as a good partner, you know what else you wanna do. You want your partner to win. You're not trying to win by yourself. So people are like, “oh my goodness. You know, how do you also have so many partnerships with white women organizations and Latino women organizations?” And I said, “Because when I show up and Black women show up, we're not just trying to win at all costs. That's not the metric. We're trying to win together because winning together is actually a bigger win for us all when I win.” 

And here's another thought again, comes from being a woman. These are women things. 

Katie: Yes. 

Holli: When women make money, we gotta take care of the kids. We gotta make sure the bills are paid. Our cousin has called us and they need some help. Um, our mom needs some help. Whatever. So we know that us making it by ourselves is just a drain on us anyway, but when we actually make it so that our mom makes it, our cousin makes it, our friends make it, our kids make it… we actually have more money. We actually have more resources. We actually do more stuff because we haven't expended everything that we've captured as a single person on our network of members in our community. But when our whole community got stuff? Girl. 

LaFonda: Hundred percent. 

Katie: Hundred percent. Oh, Holli, thank you for joining us today. 

Holli: Thank you for having me. 

Katie: Oh my gosh. It is, it's so grounding to talk to you. It is just, I mean my knuckles hurt a little bit from taking notes, but it's worth it. 

LaFonda: I've just been sitting here with my hands clasped like this, like– 

Katie: So much wisdom. Exactly. 

Holli: It's a shared wisdom of the group. And that's the main thing, right? Is that this is not just me spouting off whatever. This is a collection of very smart women gathering to share their thoughts together and to amplify them so that we all, we're not, we're not hiding it anymore. We're talking with everybody. 

Katie: Yeah, that's right. Even the hard things.

Holli: Especially the hard things.

Katie: Because if we don't, that's what they're gonna divide us with. I love that, that part. 

Alright, we're gonna keep showing up for each other. Thank you for showing up for us today, Holli. We love you.