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Truth That Travels: Passing The Flame! ... English & French

• Rev. Charles G. Robinette • Season 5 • Episode 38

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What if the power you’re seeking can’t be traded for, only trusted into? We sat down with Bishop Elder to talk about guarding a living faith that actually changes people, and how to carry it—with fire—into the hands of the next generation.

We start with the mission to equip at scale and quickly move into the core question: how do you keep truth from becoming a museum piece? Bishop Elder lays it out: worship is a conduit that can transmit revelation or iniquity, depending on the heart of the leader. He challenges us to choose anointed songs over familiar hits, to labor for fresh oil instead of reheating last week’s manna, and to let preaching become demonstration in the Spirit, not just information. Along the way, we share testimonies of healing, hunger among Gen Z, and the story of a judge transformed by watching authentic worship—real moments that remind us truth still travels in power.

The conversation turns sharply toward the nature of the kingdom. You can’t buy miracles. Authority flows from relationship with the King, not transactions or tactics. We talk holiness and modesty without clichés, tackle the pressure to please culture, and get honest about our phones, playlists, and posts. Then we pray—asking God to burn away compromise, renew conviction, and anchor us in a love for truth that draws people to an altar, not an algorithm. If you’re hungry to pass on a faith that’s alive, to lead worship that carries weight, and to build ministry on intimacy rather than image, this one will re-center your heart.

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Shut up. Hallelujah. Breakfast morning. Hallelujah.

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Your moustach.

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In the name of Jesus. In the name of Jesus. In the name of the Lord. In the name of the Lord. In the name of the Lord. Oh, praise the name of the Lord. Well, praise the Lord, everybody, and welcome to another great episode of Apostolic Mentoring. I greet you in the mighty name of Jesus from Columbus, Ohio today. It is so good to be home for a few days. And there was so much healing and victory and deliverance that happened on Sunday. And then we drove home on Sunday night. But to be here with all of you, great people of God today is such a joy.

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And to be a part of this great kingdom mission.

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Equipping millions to reach billions. Share this episode on Facebook. Partagez. Connect with the Apostolic Mentoring YouTube channel. And subscribe to the Apostolic Mentoring Podcast, which is available on every podcast platform. But today we are incredibly just overjoyed to host Bishop Elder on Apostolic Mentoring. But he's also a singer, songwriter. This is not fair in the kingdom of God when you're given everything. We deeply appreciate you.

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Thank you, Brother Robinet, and it is my honor to be with you on this podcast today.

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First of all, by the anointed way that you followed the Holy Ghost.

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In my mind, that is the that is the ultimate concern of real ministry, is to bring people to Jesus Christ. So we were thrilled to watch this. And so I love the passion that you have, Brother Robinet, and all of the team members. And I really felt impressed by God to talk about uh this subject that I'm dealing with today. Uh I really love it if this is not just uh I I don't know your format, Brother Robinet, if it's a monologue or if it's uh a uh dialogue, but I I love the input of people, especially men of God and women of God that have incredible insight. Uh but go ahead, sister.

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You never say uh invest in the I really feel God dealing with me to talk about the the transfer of these incredible truths that God has given us from one generation to the next. I consider myself a young man, I'm a young 62 years old.

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And uh I I think I'm as young as I ever was, but sometimes my body betrays that. And so there is an urgency in my spirit to make sure that the next generation uh regards these truths to the same sacred degree that we do. I read a statement many years ago that said there is no real success in a very successors. And I don't want to see the tremendous moves of God that we have seen, and then future generations they just simply become dry dead institutions. It is amazing to me to see how that the truths of God have been carried even through the dark ages to every generation. But even Jesus himself said that uh when he comes back shall he find faith in the earth. So he gives us a responsibility to transfer these truths and this power from one generation to the next.

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David said in Psalms chapter 78 and verse 9. David had some 78 verse 2.

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And I I read, I'll read the whole verse, sister, and then I'll let you read it. I will open my mouth in parables, I will utter dark dark sayings of old. And I did see online YouTube uh shots of the incredible move of the Holy Ghost at NAYC. And I I feel so comfortable with the generations that are coming on, with what they are seeing and the way that God is moving. But I think it is a seminal and an ultimate responsibility of ours to make sure that that the truths that generate that kind of power remain.

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Jesus said you shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free. And that's just an earthly truth.

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The spiritual truths are eternal, and when we pray in the Holy Ghost, God reveals his word to us. And then it's up to us to transfer that revelation to future generations. Uh I I just did a recent study and discovered that more generation Z young people are going to church than Gen X or Millennium or Millennials. I just returned from Vietnam about a little over a week ago, and what amazes me is it's the young people in that communist nation that are so hungry for truth. I know that's been said and and I repeat, but you can become uh greatness can become common if we're not careful. And some of the some of the things that are so powerful in our church service, even the most mundane services, can seem common. And yet when these young people come in, they experience a revelation of God that they've never experienced before. In studying the scriptures, and I'll forego a lot of the reading of the scriptures, but there are some things that the Bible shows us uh ways to convey those truths. And one of the first primate ones is our worship. As a musician, I have just loved the way that the Indiana Bible College's song about one God has rocked the world. And even people that don't consider themselves believers and Christians are absolutely amazed and moved with the anointing of that kind of worship.

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As a leader, I'm careful.

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Com dirigeant Because I try to stay in tune with relating to the world without compromising my relationship with God and his truth. And and so if we're not careful as even simple things as music leaders. We can try to relate to the people so much that we use songs that are popular but they have no anointing. And we choose them because we know that everybody will know them. But we haven't really spent time with God to see if that is a conduit that will relay God's power and his truth. Music music is a conduit, it's a very powerful conduit that transfers and transmits particular feelings and even beliefs. The problem was was the choir leader became full of iniquity. And so he no longer transmitted truth, but he transmitted iniquity.

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Iniquity is a different kind of sin.

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The most common word for sin in the Bible is hemorrhagia. It's a Greek word which means to miss the mark. But the word iniquity is another word altogether. It is nomia, which means to violate the law willingly. And so we have to be careful that we are transmitting through a conduit of Holy Ghost anointing. As apostolic Pentecostals apostolic as apostolic Pentecostals, our first allegiance is to the truth that God revealed to us that set us free. And because of that, the first revelation is that he's the only God that there is. And this is a powerful tool that God has given us to transfer and transmit his truth.

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So we use our music, our praise and our prayer. Alors nous utilisons la music, not prayer, notre louange, our preaching, notre predication.

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We don't preach as the world preaches. We receive a word from the Anointed Spirit of God. Even to where supernatural occurrences of the Holy Ghost happen to us. And God will speak to us and say, There is a there is a man down in Tar right now, he's in, I can't remember the name of the city. It's actually a suburb of Tel Aviv today. His name is Saul, he's blind. I blinded him.

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Go find him. And Paul never met him. And Ananias had never met Paul. But the anointed power of the Holy Ghost made this arrangement. I think this is still important from generation to generation. I'm fifth generation Pentecost.

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And and yet I saw the way that God moved in such powerful ways that I could not deny the truths that God had given me. Because this is this is the heritage of the Lord.

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We will not hide this from our children.

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I think that it is it is so imperative, one of the latest miracles that we saw in our church. And because the tumor had got grown so big and had began to invade other organs, they just closed him back up. And sent him home and told him the only thing that we know to do is to try experimental processes with you to see if one of them worked. And so we do know that the Bible says, I am the Lord thy God that healeth thee of all thy diseases. But it's got to be more than just academic. The Apostle Paul tried academics at Athens.

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And yet there was not a great response from that, even though it was the word of God and it was awesome.

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But the Apostle Paul learned something, and when he went to Corinth, which was the next city that he went to.

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When it comes to the anointing, the anointing is not old.

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When you study in the Old Testament, they could not use old olives to make the anointing oil.

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They had to be fresh olives.

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It was the Bible says that the anointing oil was fresh, squeezed oil. Which tells us that the Holy Ghost, the anointing of God, never gets old. The Lord did not allow his people to eat manna, the bread from heaven, after one day. There is something about when you can preach a word from God that you have heard since you were a child. And the man or the woman that is preaching that, or whoever, the Bible study, or whatever it is.

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And they get in the Holy Ghost.

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But when that fresh anointing oil touches it, when that anointing of the Holy Ghost is poured over it through deep consecration and prayer and fasting and separation not only from the world, but separation to God.

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Something different happens. This is what we have to capture and never lose for our young people. It ignites the fire of faith in the hearer and the observer.

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I will never forget we uh had a judge here from our city. And one of the young ladies in our church was his secretary for for many years. That young lady and her husband are actually pastor in a church in Florida now that is just blowing up with revival.

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But this judge could observe the anointing in this young lady's life.

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To such a degree that it inspired him to go on an intensive training week with Hope Court.

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He's a very prominent judge in this city.

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He was raised Catholic and he had just started studying Buddhism. It's a funny story when he got to Roatan, the island, and how if he hadn't have known how to speak Spanish, he would have never made it to the ITW center.

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But he was there. He had never experienced Pentecost before.

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The horrible juvenile crimes and the sentencing that he had to do, I don't know how many hundreds and thousands, hundreds maybe thousands of cases. And he was very frustrated. As he watched our young people worship and pray.

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And they will.

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He had been buried for God only knows how long. And those young men running from a fight took a dead body and threw it in the cave on that on that prophet's bones. If you go to that country, there's tombs all over in the hillsides.

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But that was Elisha's tomb.

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There was anointing there. As I recall, that anointed man had never been taken from Elisha.

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It was laying on those dead bones. Look, preachers, look, people.

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The devil will tell us you told that story, you preached that a million times. And it's marginalized in our mind, but it's not to the hearer. And the ways that even the enemy, even this week, has tried to marginalize and tell us that what we're doing is ineffective and it has no power. But remember, truths travel in the anointing, and the anointing is eternal. I just feel in my spirit, even from the time that I've been praying preparing for the last several weeks, that there is some amazing breakthroughs in 2026 that God's going to do in the apostolic world. And I am so impressed and so uh reinvigorated with the knowing from the just from what I felt from the prayer and from the hunger that I sensed from this group. To you, Brother Robinet, and to the to our translator, thank you and to brother Robinet. I look forward to getting closer to you in the years. I know God's going to open the doors when the time is right.

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God bless you.

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And I know that nobody that's on the Zoom session, that's watching live on Facebook right now takes these words lightly. Something jumped in my spirit, Bishop, uh, while you were ministering a moment ago. I remember sitting in a meeting sometime last year. And somebody made the statement, you know, that the kingdom of God was transactional. And I my spirit pushed back against that statement so strongly. And I'm not the type of person that that ever wants to create conflict. I really I really am not. I'm always trying to find the gentle way to address things that I disagree with without creating chaos. But there were just too many people listening to this uh instruction. It was actually a a uh a panel discussion about the kingdom, and there were just too many people listening to do it discreetly. And I I raised my hand and I said, I said, I I love, I respect everybody up here. I I certainly don't want to give the impression that I that I want to dishonor anybody. I said, but I disagree that the kingdom of God is transactional.

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I believe it's relational.

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Yes, when I am in a deep relationship with God, I organically move into power and authority, when my heart is right with the king, when my heart is right with the truth, you can't buy miracles and signs and wonders with money. Do follow somebody who is in a deep, uh, unrepentable relationship with the king. Yes, you know, we have to buy the truth in a sense in that we have to grab a hold of it with both hands and never let it go. And we ought to sell everything in this world to get a drop of truth. Leave behind whatever I have to leave behind. Place on an altar in a grave whatever's gotta be on an altar or whatever must be buried. To to have the truth alive and well in me. So that I can transfer it to the next generation. But we cannot allow them to think that the power of God, the authority of God, the truth of God is a transactional commodity. They have got to know that every good thing of the kingdom is found on our knees. But it's all relational.

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What is your relationship with the truth?

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Are you looking at the truth and saying, well, I like this, but I don't like that? Are you looking at the truth and saying, well, that fit in my grandfather's generation, but not in this generation? Are you looking at the truth and saying, well, that was relevant back then, but it's it's just not popular now? Are you looking at the truth and saying, well, that wouldn't have got grandpa canceled, but if I put that on Facebook, it's gonna get me cancelled? What is our relationship with the truth? Is it is it impacted by culture or does it transcend every culture and every generation? Is it standing on its own?

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The kingdom of God is not transactional, it is relational.

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I am in relationship with the truth that cannot be rescinded or repented. It was the Friday morning session, and I talked about there is no more time, there's no more time for carnality, there's no more time for worldliness, I recently, matter of fact, I think just yesterday I uploaded that message to the Apostolic Mentoring Podcast, so you can go watch it or listen to it live on the podcast right now. But we have gotta get convicted about truth, we've got to get convicted about holiness, we've got to get convicted about Hollywood, we've got to get convicted about modesty, and we've gotta stop allowing this world to move the lines and to make us feel intimidated about truth and the stance we should be taking. It's just the the message is right on that podcast. Thank you for for you know poking the bear. How are you gonna translate that, Sister Constance? Go ahead. Let me see your work with that colloquialism.

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I was cracking up the minute you said it, but I wanted to translate that.

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Let me tell you something, Bishop. She's like the best translator. I mean, one of the greatest apostolic translators. I I'm I just made the greatest translator stutter.

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Well, she's anointed, that's for sure.

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Especially if she translated that. I don't know what she said, but I didn't get it, I didn't see anything pop up in the chat, so she must have got it right. She's a great translator. You know, here we are, Bishop. We've got to start talking about the reality of the hour.

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And I gotta stop worrying about being cancelled, gotta stop worrying about fitting in with culture, let our music reflect the truth, let our lifestyle reflect the truth, reflect the truth, reflète la vérité, let my iPhone reflect the truth, let my preaching, let it be be filled with anointed reflections of truth, que reflète la vérité. I want to be in such a relationship with the truth.

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That when my mouth opens up, hallelujah!

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Afin que quand ma bouche s'ouvre, that the Holy Ghost anointing from my relationship with the truth du Saint-Esprit qui vient de la de ma relation avec la vérité stirs and draws the hearers to an apostolic altar where they can also get in relationship with truth.

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Oh, what a word that we've received today. Now by the authority of the word of God, by the power of the name of Jesus Christ.

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Let a love for truth, let it overtake every listener and viewer that that watches this now and watches this later.

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Let your army be overtaken with conviction today. That this army would put away the flirtation with this world et que cette anxious puisse nous repousser la fluctuation de ce monde. And get in a deeper relationship with the truth et nous amener à une relation profonde avec la vérité, Amen. God put the cross before us. Seigneur, mets la croix devant nous, Amen. The world behind us. And don't let us turn back one time. Amen. Hallelujah. Let us realize that there is too much to do in this hour.

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To not be overtaken with apostolic doctrinal holiness conviction.

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Oh Seigneur, touche cette army, Seigneur. Take perversion and carnality out of our systems. Éloigne-nous de toute perversion et de toute mundanité, de toute canalité. Take the hunger for this world away from your army. Enlève de nous le désir du monde. And put a hunger for truth in our spiritual systems. Let there be no compromise in this army. Amen. Because there is no more time. Urge me with this that I might be clean.

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Wash me that I might be whiter than snow. Lave-moi pour que je sois plus blanc que neige. Let the words of my mouth and the meditations of my heart be acceptable unto you, O God.

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Forgive your army of their sins. Oh Seigneur, pardonne ton army de ses péchés. Forgive us of noity. Put us in deeper relationship, God. In the name of Jesus. Dans le nom de Jesus Christ. Purify our relationships. Purify notre relation, Amen. Purify our words. Purify noses. Purify no cœur. Purify our appetite. The things we want to take into our sister.

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In the name of Jesus. I love you, Jesus. I love you, Jesus.

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Thank you, dear friends, for being on Apostolic Mentoring again this Tuesday. I look forward to seeing you all next Tuesday, 1 p.m. Eastern time for another great apostolic mentoring session. Why don't you all do what you always do and take yourselves off mute and greet Bishop Elder?

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Amen. Thank you, Brother Elder. God bless everyone.

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God bless you.

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Love you, Sister Clark. Love you. Love you, brother and sister Bishop, Brother Daniel. I love Bishop Estrada. God bless you. I love you. Pastor McKee, God bless you. God bless you.

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Hasta luego. Bye bye.

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Hasta luego. We'll see you, Sister Aldorette. God bless you.

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Charles G. Robinette

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Paul Elder

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