Hybrid Horizons - Luke Halterman

On todays episode of Hybrid Horizons, Ari talks to Luke Halterman, a dedicated fitness coordinator and athlete. They discuss the current landscape of hybrid racing. He evaluates the differing business models of DECA and Hyrox, noting that while Hyrox aims for the Olympics, DECA offers more accessible opportunities for everyday gym-goers. Halterman shares his passion for his role as a Road Show Coordinator, which involves traveling across the country to help local gyms become affiliates. He also introduces his new venture, the RevStrong Games, an innovative competition at TCU that features a rotating format of functional movements to keep participants challenged. Throughout the conversation, he emphasizes the importance of community and providing diverse athletic options for all fitness levels. He concludes by highlighting his personal motivation, including competing alongside his family and his goal to visit all fifty states.

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Transcript

SPEAKER_00 0:16

What's been going on, man? You know, I've seen you all over Instagram in multiple places. I keep seeing you uh, you know, on the Art and Decca side in your your student cowboy hat. Um but now I see you're getting a little bit kind of on your own. Is that fair to say?

SPEAKER_01 0:31

Yeah, yeah. It's uh it's been exciting since the last time we spoke. Um obviously DECA is taking over my weekends as per usual. Um love working with them, love um you know spreading DECA into the fitness community at gyms that are maybe not familiar with it, want to become familiar with it, you know, uh coordinating road shows to provide that has been a blessing, and I love doing it. Um and just seeing that grow, maybe even from a from a brand standpoint, right? Because Spartan Race is um very uh recognizable in the majority of the country, or I say the world honestly, but a lot of people still aren't too familiar with DECA.

SPEAKER_00 1:15

Um yeah, I was gonna say, do they do so they do the trail, I guess trail obstacle would be like their kind of main bread and butter, right? Correct, correct. And they do those, do those, they do those outside of the US? Correct, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 1:27

Oh wow, worldwide. Uh world championships are now, I should say now, it's been there for years that the world championships are uh overseas now. I mean, it's it's almost more common to maybe see a Spartan race probably in another country, um, even though they're everywhere in the US, right? But it doesn't seem like they're as as many as there were as there once were. But that's only because I think hybrid racing is just taking over right now, right? Oh yeah, for sure. Um everyone wants a hand on high rocks. It's just uh it's just the thing, it's the fad. Um eventually that will, you know, it will plateau at some point. And the next big thing will take over. What that is is who knows. Maybe it's my own thing. Who knows? So we shall see.

SPEAKER_00 2:12

Yeah, I mean it's it's funny. I I think to your point, I think anyone looking almost on the outside looking in, especially at Hyrocks, can see the plateau coming. And I don't think HyROX maybe they see it, maybe they don't. You know, I don't I don't I haven't had the I guess pleasure of you know really talking to anybody, but it's just so funny to see the the almost completely different business models between DECA and Hyrocks, and HyROX trying to do the you know I'll call it high-end or exclusive, and you know, they're they're trying to hit the major cities, and it's like, okay, yeah, that's good, but like you're only gonna get to so many cities, and you're only gonna get to so many people. And then you have DECA who, yes, they've got a lot smaller events, but they've got, to your point, I mean, you you know, you can drop a pin on a map and it's 20 minutes away as a DECA event somewhere, or the potential at least is there for like you know, with people like you to come in and get a small gym and get 30 people in, 40 people in, and then the next year it's 50, you know, and like it's just I don't know. I I I am I'm with you 100%, and and no knock to Hyrocks at all. I think it's it's a really cool event, but I just I don't know, something aligns better with me with DECA too, for that for that similar reason.

SPEAKER_01 3:21

Yeah, I think uh I think I think you hit the nail on the coffin on that one for that specific reason. Hyrox is definitely, let's just say, the pinnacle, right? And I and maybe in our last conversation with the uh last time we talked, you know, I may have already said that, right? Hyrox is the mecca, it is a grade level, it is exactly what everyone wants to do and wants to get in. It's it sells out within minutes when tickets go online. I mean, that is a great problem for the company to have, right? That they don't care who gets in, they're they're making their money. Um, but the thing is with high rocks, I think eventually with that brand, um, and again, I I want to be a part of it. I'm still I'm gonna be at HyRox New York. Uh, I still plan on doing plenty of high rocks. Uh, so again, this is not a knock at it like you said as well. It it is trying to shoot to be an Olympic sport, which is fantastic. I think that's great. You're putting hybrid fitnessing on the map even more, right? Because maybe since the last time we talked, Hyrox was still known in our community, right? When I say our community, ruckers, OCR athletes, tech athletes, hybrid athletes, right? These are the people who attend these type of things. Now it's like America knows what high rocks is. You could almost go to any gym in America, any gym, and just ask, maybe you'll find one person who knows what high ROX was. When before, that's uh what is high ROX, right? So guaranteed there are there is one in every five people probably know about Hyrox now at this point. It's huge. It's huge.

SPEAKER_00 4:55

And uh it it it's interesting you say that, but I didn't know about the Olympic thing, and and it's it's that's very interesting because actually we we were talking the I guess last episode, depending on when this this airs and everything, but a previous episode I was talking to to a young woman who um is into they label it kind of like street calisthenics uh or calisthenics, but it's very similar. It's like my more of just like one event, one you know uh type. Like they have the the parallel bars, they have um like a dip challenge, push-up challenge, things like that. Um, but similar, they're trying to bring that to the Olympics as well. And I I feel like she mentioned they were trying to get it in with like skateboarding and rock climbing and high rock, you know, like those kind of events, and they're kind of I think they're all kind of going for that. So so it's interesting to see. I wouldn't think off the top of my head that Olympics would be the goal for a lot of these. You know, I would almost think it would be more of like a for a weird lack of words, like a professional league. You know, like I know they have the rock race league, they've got um, I thought there is another like kind of high roxy professional league or something like that, right?

SPEAKER_01 6:01

Yeah, there uh there could be. Uh I'm not too familiar with that from a league standpoint, but I do remember on that on that same interview when they were asking about with the Hyrux founders, they want to make this an Olympic sport by 2032, right? Not by 2028 in LA. And but they do also hope that they're paying athletes on a salary basis to be competing, right? And so it does seem like maybe they're in that direction. I think, I think honestly, for me, and I'm with you on this, I think a league is more what you should be shooting for. Um, but also too, because I mean if you got to think about it, NBA established itself first, you know, football, MLB and stuff, and now it's an Olympic sport, right? Where you know, yeah, it was a league prior, right? And you gotta have the best of the best compete against the best in the world. But um, you know, I don't know all the logistics, I don't know what their full plan is. They might even sell the company at the highest and get much half a billion for it, um, you know, HyROX is just so hot right now. This is a great time, and maybe as an owner to sell it, to be honest. I mean, that's just right, that's just me personally. But uh, but to go back on HyROX become an Olympic sport, it it seems like they they're they're trying to reach their peak of where this sport wants to go. So in return, and on the fallback on that, others who just can't be a part of that, or maybe they're uh you know, pointing in the direction of more elite-based athletes, now you get your average gym goer and someone who's been training so hard for a high rox but can't get in because the tickets sold out, right? DECA now comes into play, right? A hundred percent. And I think honestly, this is a great time to be part of DECA. I think it's a great time to promote it. Um, because if there's if there's a race that you're training for a hybrid standpoint and higher arcs is sold out, DECA is his next best option.

SPEAKER_00 7:57

Right. No, I totally I was gonna say that earlier too. Like right, I feel like HIROX, to your point, like it sells out quickly, but it sells out to those professionals, those top-tier, you know, people. Um, and then the right, the the average Joes are are kind of stuck on the outside looking in, right? And it it you know builds the brand, it makes it more, you know, uh luxurious to get into, but then they're left with what? And I think DECA to your point is is that great because it's the same caliber, you know. They've got I what I like about DECA is that it's there's so many different things, you know. Like I did the regular DECA, DECA was a strong, right? Um last year, and I still want to do it. And I was like, well, I want a little bit of a challenge, you know, something challenging. So now it's gonna be the mile, you know, and then maybe after that it's the rock or it's the uh atlas, you know, like there's just so much more flavor to bring you back and then you know continue to train and things like that.

SPEAKER_01 8:52

Yeah, I think uh that's what definitely what stands apart from uh high rocks more so for DECA is that you had all these options, and it can bring any type of level of athlete, right? If you, you know, you're not a big runner, right? Let's just say and you love just the lifting aspect. Well, Atlas is fantastic, maybe even the strong, right? It involves some cardio because the ski, the row, and the assault bike, of course, but nothing that maybe you know one would drive away from, but it involves no running, right? So therefore you can do this option. Or if you're a big runner and you don't really like lifting as much, well, we got the ultra for you, which is a deck of fit times five. 15.5 miles along with doing the station's 10 rounds, um, so or excuse me, five times. So, you know, you multiply that, but it's uh the good thing is it brings any type of level of athlete, whereas it does seem like Hyrocks is tailored to one specifically, and so and people train for that, um, of whatever that may be, but that's what I love about the different flavors that we bring. You know, we're like the starburst of hybrid racing, right? You know, you got your you got your yellow banana, you got your orange, and you got your pink and your red. What you decide is your best flavor is up to you, and your least flavor, you know, here's the thing you know, the least flavor you probably eat last, or maybe you eat first and you save the best for last. But the point is you still eat it. So therefore you still eat it. So therefore you still try it. And I think with DECA is it has the mindset of just because you did the strong, you know, your journey doesn't end there. Try the mile. And most people do, right? And so I think that is a great marketing ploy. I think it's a great option to have to bring anyone to um level up, I guess is a good way of putting it.

SPEAKER_00 10:39

Perfect. I love it. Such a diplomatic answer, too. I I feel like you you you mentioned Starburst, but you didn't mention like what flavor is the best or what flavor's the worst. I have my own opinions.

SPEAKER_02 10:49

I'm sure you do.

SPEAKER_00 10:50

I don't want to I don't want to get you in hot water by uh you know by any means. I I too. I feel like I have a controversial opinion. Uh I'm mine's yellow. Okay, wow, that's even more see, and I was gonna say mine's controversial. Mine's red. Mine goes. Oh, okay.

SPEAKER_02 11:02

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 11:03

I uh mine would be red. I think orange and pink are kind of they can change either way, and then yellow is my least favorite.

SPEAKER_01 11:10

Nah, yellow is where it's at for me. My my six-year-old daughter even agrees with me. We even love the yellow Skittles. I guess it's just the vanilla type thing, I guess, is our thing. But pink would be second, red, then well, I don't know. Orange or red, I guess, kind of goes back.

SPEAKER_00 11:24

See, I feel yeah, it's very it's it's I don't want to put you on the spot and say like which deck event is is what, but um you know.

SPEAKER_01 11:31

Oh, I mean, I I'll flavor from that too. Oh, okay. Lay it on too. My yeah, my yellow would definitely be the deck of mile, hands down.

SPEAKER_00 11:39

That's your favorite.

SPEAKER_01 11:40

It and it is my favorite race of all time. Uh really better than high rocks, better than the ultra, better than Spartan race. The deck of mile is just like that perfect blend of enough running where you're running, you know, red line, right? I should say that, right? When I say enough running, that's a mile is not enough running for me, unfortunately. But it's uh but it's enough to where you're really pushing yourself and you're still hitting the stations at red line as well. But it's when I say red line, it's almost like that run is almost a recovery, too. It's very odd to say that. And when I really try to tell people at a deck of strong event, when I say, Okay, hey, you did the deck of strong, congrats. The next one up is the mile, and they look at me and it goes, Oh man, running in between us. And I say, Listen, it sounds bad for you if you're not a runner. I get it, but it's like recovery, even if you're running all out, it is like recovery. It's almost like taking that breath from maybe your uh muscles building up that lactic uh acid, you know, that parting sensation one gets. Because going from the lunges, the rower, into the boxovers, if you haven't done that sequence in all out fashion, your legs get are blown up. But if you add some running in between that, it's really not that bad and a lot more tolerable. Now, granted, effort-wise, you are still huffing wind and it still sucks. But to me, I think it's the most rewarding 20 minutes of just physical pain. And it's just it's just short enough and just long enough. Um, and also, too, the decamile is just so fun to watch because the race is also so short enough to where you get some excitement at the end, opposed to like a marathon or maybe even like a 5k. You know, people win sometimes by 10 seconds, and it's not the most exciting thing to watch usually because you know who's about to cross, right? But this is like you you hold on to it for the like the last second. Oh, who's got the last few burpees? So uh to me, Decamile, hands down. Uh Yancy Culp, the founder, says it's best. It's like NASCAR. Um, it's just there's a lot of colliding when you watch it on any of the the live feeds from the world championships. Definitely teams. Teams is so fun to watch. Um, but to me, Decamile, hands down, favorite race of all time. I love it.

SPEAKER_00 14:04

Awesome. Oh wow. You you got me pumped up because that's yeah, that's the one I'm doing. And I I yeah, to your point, like I'm I'm I'm nervous for it a little bit. You know, I it you know, I always laugh about DECA because like when you put it on paper, it's those 10 zones and it it doesn't really look that bad. And I think that's kind of like the point of it, right? It's very, it's very inviting, right? It's like, oh, okay, I can do this, I can do that, I can do that. You know, you go through the 10 zones and it's pretty you know straightforward. And then you get into it and you're like, well, yeah, I did it, but man, was I huffing and puffing, and man, you know, was I was I struggling to get those burpees out. Um, and then you add into your point, you're adding in, you know, these like again, it's like, what is it? Uh I don't even remember how far of a sprint it is, but it's a sprint, right? Like it's a lit, it's a short distance where you're like, okay.

SPEAKER_02 14:49

160 meters.

SPEAKER_00 14:50

Yeah. Yeah, I can do that. Anyone can do that. But then it's like, well, I'm not just gonna sit here and you know, jog my way through it. I'm gonna push myself. And then it's like, okay, well, I'm doing that 10 times. So it's uh it's you know, it's definitely that next up, um, which is which is exciting.

SPEAKER_01 15:06

Yeah, yeah, it's it's gonna be fun. And if if the one you're speaking of, is it the one that's gonna be in Columbus, hopefully, or is it the one in Cleveland that you mentioned before?

SPEAKER_00 15:16

Yeah, it's the one in Cleveland before, but that happens to just be the week before. So, you know, I'll be primed and ready, and uh, you know, I might have to make a trip and do two, you know, maybe improve on my time in a week, you know, see how I did.

SPEAKER_01 15:29

I think it's doable because you'll definitely know how to pace it the second time around for sure. So you'll you have a better understanding of it for sure.

SPEAKER_00 15:37

A little the the only thing that would get me on on that one is if I bring a bunch of the F3 guys, you know, they're gonna probably expect me to you know blow it out of the water and then I have to you know come up with excuses of oh my hamstring was tight. I you guys, I was you know, making it easy for you guys.

SPEAKER_01 15:52

Don't worry, I got you covered. I'll say I rigged your rigged.

SPEAKER_00 15:55

There you go. Yeah, you tripped me up or something. So so um so we're talking DECA. You know, you're you're you already were busy as a as a you know um advocate and and uh um I apologize, I forgot the the official title for you.

SPEAKER_01 16:10

Um the road show coordinator.

SPEAKER_00 16:12

Yeah, and so it sounds like you're expanding a little bit outside of the the Texas area. And I mean, like you said, you're coming up to Columbus. So, like what's been going on? Like, have you just seen a growth of of people interested or you've pushed this out? What's been kind of going on with that?

SPEAKER_01 16:26

Yeah, I I will say I'm very um blessed in a sense that you know I've been doing this for about four years now, I believe, as a roadshow coordinator, to where now it seems like the opportunities come to me opposed to me reaching out, right? Sure. At first, not too many people knew that this was even a thing. There are still plenty that are like that, of course. Excuse me. But there's um it's it's come to the point now where I go to a gym, I'll have someone approach me saying, Hey, I would love this to be done at my gym. Or now I'll get random maybe text messages or messages on social media going, Hey, would love for you to come here, right? What's the guidelines? And then therefore, that's what brings me my opportunities more so out of state, right? Um from a traveling standpoint, I try to keep it, you know, reasonable majority of the year within Texas. I mean, it just makes sense. I'm in DFW, so the majority in DFW, Houston, I go to quite a bit. Um, and I got a lot of connections down there, and I I love doing it. But it is fun to take that out of state travel. Uh, me and my wife, we've already been to Denver, we've already been to uh Phoenix. Um, now coming up to Columbus, right? In June. Um, let's see, another one we're doing. Uh Louisiana was supposed to be one of them. Unfortunately, that one got canceled or possibly rescheduled. So still doable. There'll be one uh one in Nebraska. There's gonna be one potentially in Florida that I'll be doing um with the National Army Guard. So pretty cool stuff. Uh I, you know, when I look back at this, you know, or you know, when I when I do the traveling, I'm thinking, oh man, another 18-hour drive. This is, you know, this is gonna be a beating, which it is. But at the same time, though, I look back where I was maybe 10 years ago. And I I'm thankful to have these opportunities to travel and to see other parts of the country and spend it, of course, with my wife if she comes along, um, even my kids if they if they you know come along as well. And it's just it's a cool, it's a cool job. I enjoy it. And in fact, I shouldn't even call it a job. It's just I enjoy doing stuff like this. Um, I love every bit of it, and I don't plan on slowing down with it either. Um, so if anyone watching this is outside of state of Texas and they would love to host the roadshow, it's free by the way, for you to host. By all means hit me up because I am willing to make that travel. And if it's to a state I've never been at, I mean, that's just cool too. Because my goal is to knock out all 50 states uh to visit with my wife. And I think we're at 30 three or thirty-four right now. So we still have some to knock out.

SPEAKER_00 19:12

Right. But you're I mean, more than halfway. Um so are there other road show coordinators? Like, I mean, it seems like you have pretty much the whole territory, you know, but like is there how how does that happen? How does that get split up, or is it you guys guys work together and you know, get whoever gets the message gets to go?

SPEAKER_01 19:29

Yeah, kind of both. Uh so you you have Nelson Diaz, who is on the East Coast. He's the head honcho, he is the man that you'll see at any deck of fit. Um, that man probably works harder than anyone ever. I don't think he understands what rest is. Uh, he is on the whole basically East Coast territory. I think he's up in New Jersey. I could be wrong where he lives. Um, then you got Ricardo, who also is a very hard worker. Him and his son, they're in the Midwest category. So uh I want to say Indiana is where they live. Um but they would be technically they would be the ones that would host anything in Ohio, right? Because it's just more an ideal drive for them.

SPEAKER_02 20:10

Right.

SPEAKER_01 20:11

Um, you know, uh, but fortunately, I got the contact info with this gym owner in Columbus, right? And so that's why I was like, okay, great, I'm gonna come up there. Um, so I'm willing to make the commute. And then uh we had one in the West Coast, Frank. Unfortunately, he's no longer with the company. Uh, I think he moved uh with his wife. So we used to there used to be four, now there's three. So it's kind of more of a divide and conquer. Um, and I think the majority we we want to stay within a reasonable distance because we do have to pay out of pocket for gas and uh travel costs and everything. And so, you know, you don't want to make anything too extravagant for the most part. But but at the same time, if there are gyms, you know, I don't know, let's say Portland. Um, and you know, if someone's just like, hey, we really want to host it, we want to become an affiliate, we you know, they want to do the whole nine yards, you know, one of us might break our backs to go out there and do it. Um, and again, if it's if it's for just the sake of honestly, for me, this is how I see it. It is just a weekend away with the kids, usually with my wife. I'm gonna take advantage of it. It's honestly like a vacation. I don't, I don't see the four, six hours that I provide to a gym with the DECA event as work. I just don't. I usually participate myself. Um, I love uh talking to people, I love talking to people who are brand new to DECA and seeing their excitement of when they accomplish it. It's just it's not work to me. So if you can get me out anywhere, I'm all for it. That drives workers.

SPEAKER_00 21:45

So how does so let's say somebody will just say Columbus, you know, is interested in it. Um, I mean, is it mostly just like a few phone calls and some meetings to set it all up? Um and then you just go once and help them set it up for the weekend and then, you know, like you said, participate. And continue, I'm sure, working with them afterwards, but like it's not multiple visits to the place.

SPEAKER_01 22:05

Yeah, not multiple. Uh, it's definitely kind of like a one and done from a roadshow standpoint, because the whole idea for the roadshow is to provide a gym. Let's just say you are a gym owner. You're interested in becoming an affiliate, which is DECA's ultimate goal with your gym, right? Sure. Um, it's become an affiliate. So you don't want to pay the cost up front to host your own event. Maybe let's just say you don't even have the equipment, aka the sled is usually the one big one that most people don't have. And you're they're just like, cool, don't worry about it. Let's do this instead. Let's just let's coordinate maybe a roadshow where it's completely free for you to host. Uh, we'll send a roadshow coordinator, aka Luke. He'll come up to you. He has all the equipment necessary for the event. Granted, you don't get any revenue share for this first one. However, maybe you could see how big of a demographic you have that is interested in this. And say it's a huge event. Let's say it's let's say you get 80 to 100 people who show out to this, which is big. And then you look at it, you're like, whoa, okay, yeah, I think it's 100% worth becoming an affiliate because now that one big event could have paid for your whole annual affiliation, usually usually. It can even pay for some of the equipment costs, and you can host those on a multiple occasion because you're an affiliate, opposed to the one and done road show as well. Gotcha. So my goal isn't to necessarily um sign you up as an affiliate, right? Uh, that's uh that's Ricardo's job. But my job is to hopefully bring, you know, the best energy I can provide, the best event, how to run it. So therefore, uh when you want to become an affiliate, you know, then we could say, hey, this is how you do it. This is, you know, this is the expectations, you know, everything like that. So that way, of course, you have it now for uh future reference.

SPEAKER_00 23:56

Perfect. Yeah, that's awesome. And so you have to, like you said, you you have to um drive to those ways. So you're driving with the gear if they don't have it? Correct. Absolutely. Wow, that's crazy.

SPEAKER_01 24:06

Yeah, it could be a haul. Yeah, yeah, I bet.

SPEAKER_00 24:08

Yeah, I was thinking I was thinking, like, oh yeah, a nice little drive wouldn't be too bad. But yeah, if you're hauling sleds and ski ergs and dumbbells and stuff.

SPEAKER_01 24:15

Like, I want to say Columbus is probably 18 hours, 16, something like that. Something like that. But you know, I've never personally drove. No, that's not true. Uh well, from here to Columbus. I think I drove for Virginia to Columbus a couple years ago. But you know, I I don't mind driving. I really don't. I mean, it it is getting to me at the age. I think, you know, you know, turned 37 this year, so my you know, my feet swell a little more than they used to, you know. I do get a little bit more uh, you know, I guess you could say the road hypnosis where I'm like, okay, maybe I should pull over, do some push-ups real quick, wake up. Um, but as far as like maybe seeing and like seeing states I've never seen or driving a different way that I've never seen before, it's exciting and I enjoy doing it. And uh my wife will tell you, I'm one of those oddballs when I'm driving, it can have it could be no music, it could be silence, and I could be three hours in, and I'll be like, Oh, oh, hey, now we're here. It's almost like I just time track.

SPEAKER_00 25:13

Just time out, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 25:14

I'm just in my head, um, and it's very peaceful. And so I don't mind it. I really don't.

SPEAKER_00 25:19

I was gonna say, usually most people don't think it's peaceful in the me included, don't think it's peaceful in their own mind. You know, I need I need some distraction and stuff, but I get it. No, no, that that's awesome. Um, okay, let's let's take a step away because I know this has been pretty heavily DECA-influenced call, which is again great. I think um, you know, I I love what you're bringing to the brand. I mean, you hit everything. Um, but you've kind of not kind of, you've definitely um taken a small turn and and you know uh please correct me if I'm wrong. I mean, you've jumped in and started your own similar version of this, right? I mean, uh uh your own kind of games, um, your own setup and everything. So, you know, please, please tell us uh more about that.

SPEAKER_01 25:58

Yeah, I'm excited to uh to partner uh with a with the gym, Rev Strong Fitness is the gym. Um that's a very reputable brand here in Fort Worth, Texas. Um he's he's been voted best gym in the city, uh, or they have, excuse me. And his name is Kevin Forbes, the owner, who I've partnered with. Um, but they've been known as the best gym in the city for years. Um, you know, they're they're branching out in multiple other places. You know, they're there's big goals with the brand itself, and it does seem like most gyms are familiar with Rev Strong Fitness, which is awesome, right? And so Kevin, I've I met him through a DECA because I host DECA's at his locations. Oh, okay. And he he approached me one time saying, Hey, I have uh I have an idea. I would love to do a you know uh my own type of hybrid racing um at TCU out of all places, which is cool. Caught my attention it uh uh right from the get-go. And he said, You're the guy, you're the DECA guy, and you know, I would love for you to maybe you know coordinate as quote unquote become the race director, basically. And so um I definitely saw that opportunity, rolled with it, and it has been quite the experience um as far as what all entails to put on an event with a large scale. Um, it has been a journey and we're almost here. It's we're about three weeks out, which is crazy. And um, and it's continuing to still get bigger. And the exciting part now with this race is we're at the point where we're starting to already come up with the ideas for next year, right? And we're not even here at the race yet. Um, so we're still promoting, still going heavy. But the the event itself is called Rev Strong Games, and so and the reason and it's at TCU on May 23rd, Memorial Weekend. Um, and specifically at TCU, it's at the Sam Baugh Indoor Football Facility. It's this brand new 80,000 square foot fully turfed football field. Oh, that's awesome. Where oh, it's it it is, it's awesome. You walk in, you can like yell, you can hear your echo, it's cool. So you're running on a fully turfed field um during this whole event, which um come to find out, proper shoes may be ideal for that because man, sinking into that, I wore I did a sim uh a couple weekends ago, and my ankles were pretty sore. I think because I just wore the wrong shoes. I think I just wore too much cushion. But um, but the what the reason why we want to call it the games is because the idea is we want to change the format each year, we don't want it to be the same thing every year. High rocks is the same thing, decays the same thing, Deadly Dozen is the same thing. That's great, and I think it's measurable, which I think is important for fitness, right? If you want to see the improvements, I totally respect that, and I think that's great. However, I do think at the point, like from our very first part of the conversation we were having, is that high rocks is gonna plateau. DECA eventually will see it's high as well, too. Everyone's gonna see it's high. Everyone's gonna be like, okay, I'm at some point, they're gonna be done running in a circle doing the same exercises every time. It's just someone's gotta invent something new. Someone has to step in and just say, hey, this is gonna be different this time, change the exercise, whatever it may be. So that is why we're definitely going with the name games, opposed to maybe a certain type of um style branding, I guess.

SPEAKER_02 29:41

Right.

SPEAKER_01 29:42

And even if this is, let's say, our five-year plan or five, excuse me, five-year plan to branch out to multiple other cities, is we want to bring a different format to every city. So no one is seeing the same exact race. And I think what that does from a competitive standpoint is it means bring your A game the day of, right? Right. And another exciting thing about it is that you can train for this rear, this year specifically, and win it, fantastic. Doesn't mean you'll win next year because next year now might be suitable for someone else completely different of you, right?

SPEAKER_00 30:23

Are you going to and you might not know this yet, but like, are you going to tell people what to train for? Like, are you gonna give them a hint of what the events are? Okay, so it's not like a hey, train generally and then day of, it's something completely different. Right.

SPEAKER_01 30:38

No, I uh yeah, like CrossFit game style, yeah. No, um, no, we well, you know, we released a format um what maybe a month and a half ago, two months ago. People know what they're getting into. Um, but as far as like now, don't get me wrong, an exercise might reappear because there's only so many exercises you want to do. I definitely had a race format, but it won't be the same exact format, right? I'll never again probably repeat this format unless, unless for some reason everyone just raves about it and just says, This is the greatest thing. You invented the best thing ever. This is better than Hyrox and Deca. You know, obviously that's gonna boost my ego like no other. But at the same time, um, I even if I did hear that, I think it's I think to be different is we provide that type of yearly competition where, hey, this is the games again, this is what we're gonna give out as far as prizes and everything as well. But the format is just different. It's just here's the new stations.

SPEAKER_00 31:44

Is it gonna be so I think you kind of answered my question, but is it going to be very sp uh station specific where it's gonna be like you know, one exercise at a station, whether it's like a dumbbell or or a cardio, or like are you gonna throw in any, you know, uh obstacles or or anything like that, or is that kind of still up in the air?

SPEAKER_01 32:01

Yeah, so I I guess I should have let in exactly what Rev Strong's was or Rev Strong games were before this conversation. Um, so yeah, it's it's your it is your typical run around in a circle, enter into a station, do a fitness, do a functional fitness movement, run back out, run again, rinse and repeat until you finish, right? Gotcha, yeah. But my the one thing also I'm doing different is there's five stations. So it's three miles of running, you run a half mile, which is four laps around the field, and then you enter into five different stations, but it's ten exercises. So each station has two exercises instead of just one. So you're coming in thinking, okay, like you know, a 1K row, which is pretty standard, or a 500-meter row, whatever it may be. That's great, and that's what you're trained for, more than likely, because you're training for a high rock surde. Well, one of my stations is you're doing a 1k row now into 20 box thrusters where your butt has to touch a 12-inch box and you come up and you do thrusters with a 30-pound dumbbell in each hand. So 1k row back into running. Most people's compromised legs are probably like, okay, yeah, this is uh tolerable. I shouldn't say doable, but tolerable, right? We'll train for that. Well, now you're doing a 1k row straight into 20 thrusters where you're dipping pretty low going back into a half mile run. Total game changer. It completely changes up the dynamics completely. Your legs are a little fried from that row. Well, now it's even more fried after the 20 thrusters. So, my my goal with this was to say instead of doing one exercise where the body gets so used to that one certain mechanic, let's just throw in two back to back before they have to go back on the run. And so the format um to help you is when you enter station one, it's a 220-meter single-arm farmer carry. So, not just your not your typical with two, it's one. So you can switch it up, which is so deceiving, by the way. It's it comes off as oh, one hand, I can switch off. It's not that bad, but man, oh I mean, it just gravity tilts you to the side, and it becomes way more difficult than one would think.

SPEAKER_00 34:17

So is it going to be a heavier weight because it's absolutely yeah? So I thought that was true.

SPEAKER_01 34:22

So you have the um you have the elite male, you have the elite female, open male, and then you have the open female uh weight distribution. The elite male is a 90-pound dumbbell. And it is rough. Yeah, it is it sucks. And 220 meters, it's not terrible. Like the distance-wise, it's you know, 100 meters for decades, 200 at high rocks with 70. You know, it's again the distance, I don't think is the issue. It's the you're not used to carrying it on one side is the issue, and that's the whole reason why I wanted to bring that. So, and to make it matter, if to make matters worse, if your grip is already getting fried at that point, maybe on one hand, well, you go straight into 20 deadlifts right from the get-go. So we're bringing a barbell element, which is also something new. No other race does that. Um, and we wanted to provide one compound movement at the games. Um, you know, we we split between, you know, maybe a bench press or back squats, but you know, logistic-wise, you got to bring in a squat rack, bench. Like there's there's so much counterparts to it. Deadlift is a pretty simple movement to uh to perform, and it's also just very simple as in um from a judging standpoint as well. Too, which that's another key thing on my movements. I wanted to make it as objective as possible for the judges and for athletes to where it's not overcomplicated. Um, so that was my goal for this race. So you're doing a 220-meter farmer single arm farmer carry into 20 deadlifts. Um, that's station one. So your your grip, your back, your core, off-ride right from the get-go. You go back on a half-mile run, you enter station two, which now is probably the easiest station, in my opinion, is a 60-meter over the uh over-the-head plate carry into a 60-meter bear crawl. So the intended frying those shoulders. Exactly, shoulders pressure. And the overhead carry is not difficult. Um, even 45-pound plate, most even I would say even the open women, honestly, would rather do 45 because 25 pounds will probably feel like nothing for them. Right. But it's the bear crawl that get the majority of people. Um, for sure.

SPEAKER_00 36:35

And that you're going, you're you're you're you're not frying your uh arms or shoulders during the the weight, during the sorry, the overhead carry, but you're not going into the bear crawl fresh, right?

SPEAKER_01 36:47

You're you're done multiple moves and then you're already you know getting a little bit of stress, and yeah, that's that's just that's the slight tweak that um because you know if I just did one lane of bear crawls, it would it would suck for for you know some, of course, just because bear crawl movements are not necessarily fun to perform.

SPEAKER_00 37:05

They sure are.

SPEAKER_01 37:06

But you throw you throw an overhead carry in there before that, it changes the elements a little bit. Um, you know, for an elite athlete, you know, there won't be much of a tempo change, I think. But you take just maybe the average person who wants to come and do this. I mean, it's it will be challenging. So but then um, so after station two, you then back on the run. Station three is now that 1k row into 20 thrusters of the box that we that I was mentioning earlier. Um, that is where quads now say goodbye. It is it that was when I when I implemented that mid-race and I did my first ever sim on it a few months ago, my run afterwards, that half mile was atrocious. Oh, I believe. For me, of what my pace would be, right? It was and I felt like I I felt like my feet were 10 pounds heavier um just because my legs were so fried. And it's not so much the thruster, it's the fact that we're making you come to a 12-inch box. Most people don't go to that range of motion. Right. They just don't do it.

SPEAKER_00 38:13

You're getting that extra step in there.

SPEAKER_01 38:15

Absolutely.

SPEAKER_00 38:15

No, I think you're totally right. I mean, I think a lot of people don't realize like how I don't know how quickly it is your your legs come out, but like that difference. Like I remember doing a doathlon, and I was like, oh, it's easy, you know, run, bike, run, piece of cake. We'll do it, you know, it's different muscles, uh, I'll figure it out, you know, kind of thing. And the first run went great. Get on the bike. The bike was, you know, tough, but you know, again, you feel still felt pretty good because different muscles were working. But man, when I got off that bike, I felt like I was running. Yeah, I felt I was wobbling. Like I was, I was like, I'm going in sideways, I'm not going straight at all. Yep. Uh, so yeah, I can't even imagine.

SPEAKER_01 38:51

Yeah, absolutely. So that that was the whole goal. Um, and also, too, that was my goal and intention to make that mid-race where fatigue should be kicking in at this point, right? You're you're a mile and a half in on the running, you've already done a couple stations, few exercises, um, sweat should it be inevitable at this point, but there should be some muscle fatigue. So that was my whole idea was to make that station a pretty daunting station and to do it midway. Um, to hopefully to where after you do it, you think, oh, I'm over the hill. But this is where station four comes into play now. So station four is all lower body as well. You're doing 60 meter bear hug walking lunges into 60 meter broad jumps. Now, here's here's the thing broad jumps, super simple exercise to perform. Just jump, just jump forward like a kangaroo, honestly, right? But man, you say that. Yeah, I'll those bear hug walking lunges are by far the most difficult exercise in the whole routine. It is so deceiving. It it is a beating on your quadriceps because the rules are for the games is you must hold the weight in a bear hug fashion on your chest. You can't hold it down by your legs, you can't hold it like a baby, right? You gotta hold it up high, compressed your chest, and it just puts all this weight and pressure on your quadriceps. Interesting. And trying to jump right afterwards is right, is just it's almost it's almost laughable. Like if you if you think you have hops, good luck doing it at this point in the race, honestly. I just don't see anyone making big jumps.

SPEAKER_00 40:31

No, I and I already oh uh I always notice too, with like, especially with like burpee broad jumps or any kind of broad jump, it's you always have to, at least I do. I always have to tell myself, like, don't jump up. You want to jump forward, you know. And even that, there's like this little, like you do this little kind of jump, you're like, well, at least I jump forward and not up uh uh an inch. Um, you know, so that's yeah, that's oof, man. You are you're killing people. You got some some good challenges coming up, I guess.

SPEAKER_01 40:55

Correct, yes. So those those back to back are very leg daunting, but then you know, it ends with station five, which is the most exciting station, in my opinion. Um, and this is where we're doing it right in one of the end zones, which is all purple compared to the green turf. So the layout itself looks pretty cool. But if you can imagine it, you're running down the sideline and then you enter into the end zone. There's gonna be a dumbbell, and then in front of it a box, then in front of that a dumbbell, in front of that a box, in front of that, a dumbbell. So you're progressing your way up through the end zone. And it's what it's what we're calling the burpee gauntlet. So you're doing five devil presses into five burpee over boxes, five devil presses into five burpee over boxes, but you progress forward onto the other side of the end zone so that way when you're done with your 40th total burpee, by the way, because it's 20 each, right? Right in total, um, you have this big 75-yard dash to the finish line because you're going from one end zone to the other. So it's one dead sprint or whatever that is at that point. It could be a throwing up, who knows? But um station five is honestly it's not that difficult because you're breaking it up every five reps. I think doing something 20 straight is way worse because yeah, you you just the the pressure absolutely the pressure you're putting on your muscle group specifically, it sucks. But breaking it up is not that bad. But at this point, it's at the end of the race, you're doing 40 total burpees basically. Um, you know, it's not the most, it's not the easiest thing, and it's definitely not something to look forward to by any means, but it is it's a pretty cool setup, and I'm excited to see this in play um come race day for sure.

SPEAKER_00 42:41

Is the so is the plan then to continue to use those kind of um stadiums or like uh arenas, or are you looking to get more into like the smaller gyms like DECA does? Or yeah, that's kind of your your thoughts on that.

SPEAKER_01 42:54

That's a that's a great question. Um, because it's almost kind of like it's almost kind of like where where do we want to take it? Where do we want to see this go? Do honestly, we even had this conversation the other day, me and Kevin, that is. Um do we even want to do the whole format of running in a circle and entering in? Because that's what everyone does.

SPEAKER_02 43:14

Right.

SPEAKER_01 43:14

I don't think that's the route we want to take anymore. I think we're gonna do it this year just for the sake of it's the high, it's the thing. Um, and we we have like over 200 people so far signed up that want to do this, which is yeah, which is great. Um, our goal is 500. So we're hoping more sign up procrastinators on the back end. Um but also too, we're you know, there's no brand awareness yet, right? So it's this is the first year we're really building this, but I'll be honest, I don't think this will be the same thing next year. So I think the ultimate goal we would love to try to hit up maybe college campuses. Yeah. Because that's another thing as well, too. Battle of the colleges, right? Like, hey, TCU showed up, SMU, where are you at? U T, where are you at? Texas Tech, uh You know, but then ran down to the other states. Yeah. Ohio guys, let's let's go.

SPEAKER_00 44:05

Um they had a little rivalry with TCU, didn't they? Uh not I wouldn't say rivalry, but they had a few games against TCU, didn't they?

SPEAKER_01 44:11

Well, I just all I know is I'll I'll just make one trip to Michigan and then now I'm gonna there you go. That's yeah, exactly. Wolverine.

SPEAKER_00 44:19

Like, oh, I actually went around Ohio to get to Michigan. Get everyone's bood boiling.

SPEAKER_01 44:24

No, I think um I I don't know. I I I kind of want to gravitate towards that theme a bit because I know colleges have that, this is my college, my alma matter, you know, just like it it matters to to people. It really does. And also, too, you know, the NIL is such a big thing now, too, where maybe we could get more um maybe athletes on the offseason, not necessarily to participate, but to maybe like judge and interact. It could be something that could pay them. I don't, you know, I don't know where all the lines come into this, but it isn't something anyone's doing. Um, it would be cool to present different things to different colleges and then maybe at the end of the year have a ultimate battle of all colleges at a neutral location. It would be a cool thing to bring.

SPEAKER_00 45:08

Have like a Super Bowl and get like a you know, but yeah, I love it. That would be cool. Well, um, so like is it is it going to be branded under Rev Strong? And like I guess kind of what do you see with that with it being just one uh gym? Like, I mean, I it sounds like he has a fairly strong outreach in in Dallas or or the that area, Texas area. Um, but like I don't know, it's is the plan to expand as he expands the brand.

SPEAKER_01 45:36

That's that's a great question because that's another thing he brought up. Is he he believes he made the mistake of calling it the Rev Strong games? Um then the main reason why we say that is only because when we go to certain gyms to promote it, they go, listen, we would love to, but it's Rev Strong. That's a rival gym to us. Why are we pure games and we have our own lifetime? I'm just throwing that name out there. Lifetime is for sure like that. Lifetime is very anal. If it if it's not lifetime, forget it. They don't want it. Yeah, I hosted one DECA event at Lifetime, I'll never forget this. They couldn't promote it, and they couldn't promote it as DECA. So I only had five people show up for it. That's it. Only five. And they wouldn't allow people on the outside to come to it. They just it would it had to be for lifetime only, and they deemed it as a hybrid workout, which even then they were like corporate was just very anal about it. And that's crazy. And that's fine. I get it. You want to focus just lifetime, it's lifetime. I get it. So I think Kevin and I had that conversation. What what would we name it next year? It will be named something different next year, I think. Um, now whether that would be uh like a name brand or maybe a city brand, like the Fort Worth games, the Dallas games, uh like brought to you by Rev Strong or Rev Strong and ex-Gym or something like that. Correct. I think it would be more based like that, um, opposed to now the Rev Strong games going forward.

SPEAKER_00 47:03

And and I I mean I'm sure you've had this guy like uh I'm assuming there's not really any animosity or any issues with DECA and this, like because it seems fairly different.

SPEAKER_01 47:17

Oh breaking up Ari.

SPEAKER_00 47:19

Yeah. I gotcha. I just can you show him there you go. Okay, I think I just had a blip.

SPEAKER_01 47:23

Yeah, I can hear you. Yep.

SPEAKER_00 47:24

Yeah. Um is there any like Yeah, yeah. Is there any like issues or or concerns that you or Yancey saw or anyone at Deck Asall like as competing to this, or is this gonna be pretty separate?

SPEAKER_01 47:37

Yeah, this is this is definitely separate. I you know, what I say competing, definitely not on this year. Like, I don't it's it's not on the level from a brand awareness standpoint, right? And this isn't anything where I hope this is like draws the line. I'm not trying to wield anyone more specific one way than the other. But also, too, I think it's just it's I think it's important right now for the hybrid community to have options. Um, I think it's important to know that there are other uh competitions out there. I won't even say races because again, we're gonna change the how the style of it. A competition out there to where if you do one thing, here's another. And it and it kind of trains the same. So so going forward, I think what I would love to do, um, and I and I hope DECA's on board with this as well, too, where maybe we can partner with them to where DECA is the race where you run around in a circle and do the functional stuff, right? And I would promote DECA over Hyrox any day. That's just you know, I might be biased, of course, but you know, uh that's where you get that type of flavor going back to the Sarper stuff. Now you've got now you have mine, but it's it's just a different format. Um, it's completely different. Um, you know, I wouldn't say it's necessarily um a competition, right? Uh from a brand standpoint. I don't think I'm competing because it's like, listen, if you want to do that type of thing, go to DECA, go to it. You know, and then if you want to come over here and do just uh maybe a point style competition or something, come see me. You know, so that's and I think I think it's something that I think in the future hopefully companies can maybe come together on opposed to fighting against each other, I guess, if that makes sense.

SPEAKER_00 49:36

Yeah, no, I totally agree. I think I think that's to your point, definitely where DECA has that, you know, kind of win or that in, or where HIROCs is very specific. You know, again, they've got their their cities, and I feel like they're more scattered, uh, as far as like, you know, there's a Hyrux, what, every couple of months or something like that. Um, where DECA, to your point, like you could have your games, let's say, be January and people get excited about it, and then they're like, well, I want to race again. Oh, well, cool. We've got two DECAs coming up in you know, March and April, uh, that are 10 minutes away from you or the the next city over. And you know, again, it just kind of you know, it's it's that kind of the runner, you know. When when I was specifically a runner, it was always like, oh, when's my next race? Where can I race in you know in Columbus? Where can I go closer? You know, oh, they've got a 5k, 10k, that, you know, you just kind of you want to have a schedule. Um, and I think those those two can definitely um you know work together. Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 50:26

I don't I don't see why not. Now, granted, I don't, I'm not a lawyer. I don't know the logistics on it. I you know, I don't have the ego from a competitive owner, you know. Um, you know, I can only imagine the ego on Hyrocks. I mean, that they're the best in the they're the best in the business making multi-million dollars. They don't need to partner with anyone other than sponsors, right? They they got it, they got their thing. Um, we are but peasants to them if in a from a company standpoint. Um, but I I don't see why it can't be issues later down the road for two companies to try to help each other and promote both to where both can be successful, right? Um definitely, definitely if there's friends involved. But again, I don't know all the the the legal stuff behind it. You know, I don't know if it's more of a slap on the wrist, like it's bad. But to me personally, I just want to uplift every possible company as possible. Um, and if they're not selling out, I want to do the best I can to sell out businesses like this, um, which is why I go on a weekend basis and promote. I mean, that's just I mean, anyone I ever come across in any gym or any running format or just walking down the grocery aisle if they see a shirt and they ask questions, I promote the race. That's just what I do, it's who I am. Um, and I want to see every you know business become successful because of it.

SPEAKER_00 51:44

That's awesome. Um, awesome, Matt. Well, hey, I really appreciate your time. I know we're getting kind of close to the the time um limit and everything, but um yeah, I would just love to say again, thank you so much for for the time and and super excited for you. I I've been loved watching your your journey. Um, and and I feel like I even didn't even get the full journey because I caught you probably almost at your peak, right? Like I caught you right as you were exploding with the the cowboy uh event.

SPEAKER_01 52:11

And and it's just I might bring that back this weekend too. It's this weekend, Decka Fit Austin at the Palmer Center. I might bring it back, so I don't know. We'll see.

SPEAKER_00 52:19

We'll we'll be very excited to see how the the evolution of the costumes grow with the game. You might have to go full mascot gear or something like that.

SPEAKER_01 52:26

I might have to.

SPEAKER_00 52:27

That'd be awesome. Um, you know, and uh you know it it's May now, so I have to ask, you know, with it with with your name and and you know the Skywalker uh ninja and everything. Like, did you do anything big for Star Wars? Or are you gonna do anything big for Star Wars Day or anything?

SPEAKER_01 52:42

You know, I didn't actually. Um, and I always say May 4th is kind of my day. It's also my uh my nephew's uh birthday. So now it's kind of clouded, and that's fine. He can have it, he deserves it. It's his day. He turned three. I mean, it's a big day for him. But you know, the the one thing I get usual from an annual standpoint is the Houston Chevron, the Chevron Houston Marathon. Uh, they'll post about May 4th, maybe discounts for next year's race and stuff. They'll use my photo a lot from a previous marathon because my bib was customed to Skywalker. And in the photo, you see Skywalker very clearly. I'm pointing at the camera, posing. And so that's a usual thing I see each year. I didn't see it this year. Uh a little disappointed.

SPEAKER_00 53:25

Yeah. Come on, shots fired at shots fired at Houston. Come on, Chavra.

SPEAKER_01 53:30

Yeah, I mean, I'm I know there's millions of others who compete, but come on.

SPEAKER_00 53:33

I just I was just gonna say, I mean, uh, you talk about NIL deals, they they need to have like a deal for you or something. You know, you're promoting all these releases and stuff.

SPEAKER_01 53:42

Yeah, yeah, just say I listen. Any type of money on a contract, I'll sign an almost trip.

SPEAKER_00 53:48

Well, fantastic, man. Um, so again, I know like you said, uh you're you know, you're an open book, you're an open networker, which I which I love. So um, you know, how how can people find you? How can people find uh the RevFit games?

SPEAKER_01 54:00

Yeah, absolutely. So Rev Games, uh, you just go to uh Revstrongfitness.com. Um you can find it there, or an eventbrite is the the the uh uh what should you say? Um the website we use for registration. Um you can find it on there also too um to find me personally, which would be maybe a little easier. I can send you a direct link. Um it's also on my Instagram is Luke underscore ninja underscore skywalker. Um find me directly there. I'll be happy to point you in any direction that you want to go, train you for any specific race, or if you just even need a um uh I don't know, a social media high five from a different state, I'll be happy to provide it for you. Um but yes, that's where you can find me and and help you there.

SPEAKER_00 54:45

Fantastic. And so you've got RevFit games coming up uh end of this month. Um, you've got the Columbus Road show you said in I think it was June 28th, right? June 28th, correct. June 28th. Um anything else you want to you know throw out there on your on your schedule?

SPEAKER_01 55:02

Uh well, I mean, I'm competing at high um I'm competing at DeccaFit this weekend with my son. And I'm pretty excited to do that. Um as a as a team, or you guys are because we're competing at High Rocks New York together. And now this will be our second doubles that we do together. Um, he really wants to go sub-60, which is definitely doable. My son, the last time we competed, he was maybe 5'3, 105 pounds. Well, he's had quite the growth spurt recently. He is now about 5'8 probably, and about 130 pounds. So he's put on some muscle. And how old is he? He's 15.

SPEAKER_00 55:41

So okay, perfect age. Yep. Oh, yeah, that growth spurt.

SPEAKER_01 55:45

Yeah, he's got he's got the speed. Um, we're gonna be racing this weekend, and we're gonna be racing in high rocks, New York. And it's just it's awesome because I love that he's now at this age where not only do I get to do it with him, he wants to do it, which is which is great to me. Um, do it on a weekly basis. And so um, I mean, other than that, I mean, and of course I'm doing it with my wife, shout out. Um, so she is uh terrified because she knows how competitive I am, but we're gonna kill it, and I'm excited to do it.

SPEAKER_00 56:17

So you're doing two different teams?

SPEAKER_01 56:19

Uh correct, yeah. And then I plan on doing singles as well. So I'm racing three times.

SPEAKER_00 56:24

But um, but I was like, Well, the same event, or are you guys doing like one mile, one strong?

SPEAKER_01 56:30

Oh, uh yeah, good question. No, it's the fit this weekend. So it'll be the whole 500-meter running um with all the stations and everything. So full 5k um and what and whatnot.

SPEAKER_00 56:41

So fantastic. Well, awesome. Well, hey, again, um, congratulations on everything on the growth. Um, I'm super excited to see DECA grow with you. Um, you know, for you bringing it to Columbus. I hope that grows immensely. Uh, because it's always easier for me to get, you know, uh a two-hour travel or or you know, a two-hour pass uh than traveling to multiple states. Um super excited to see the RevFit games grow. Um, you know, and again, just just thank you so much for jumping in on kind of short notice. Um, but you know, I definitely wanted to make sure we got you in um and we can help uh hopefully get a few more uh extra butts on uh on that field.

SPEAKER_01 57:18

Yeah, absolutely, man. Always a always a pleasure. Um thank you. I'm honored for you to ask to come on this and just talk all things uh DECA and hybrid racing, of course. So and I mean there's always more hours for more content for sure. Definitely.

SPEAKER_00 57:33

Well, yeah, we'll definitely, I think, um, yeah, maybe give you a break to you know relax or or catch up on some things. But I think we'll definitely exactly so we'll definitely connect soon and and uh would love to hear how you know the RedFit games went and and just again how everything is going with you, man. So so Luke, again, um nothing but the utmost respect and and pleasure talking with you again.

SPEAKER_01 57:54

Thank you, Ari. I appreciate that.

SPEAKER_00 57:56

Have a good one, man.

SPEAKER_01 57:57

All right, you thank you, bye.