Season 5 Episode 3: Does a Life Coach Need a Life Coach?

Does a Life Coach need a Life Coach?  In this episode of Coaching and a Cup of Tea with Mummabear, Master Certified Life Coach Melissa Wiggins talks with EmpoweredLife coaching client Stephanie Bowman -- Life Coach, founder of One Heart for Women And Children, speaker, and lover of humans.    Grab a cuppa and listen in as Stephanie relates her experience with Empowered.Life and why she’s coming back for a second session.

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Melissa Wiggins: Welcome to Coaching and a Cup of Tea with Mummabear. I am so very excited for this episode, I have one of my amazeballs clients and friend, and I cannot wait for you to hear all the fire that she is about to deliver for the next 30 minutes. Please help me welcoming Stephanie Bowman. Stephanie, who the heck are you? Why are you on this podcast?

Stephanie Bowman:

First, I want to say thank you. Thank you. Thank you, what an honor to be here with you today. So my name is Stephanie Bowman, and I'm the founder of One Heart For Women And Children. I'm also a life coach, I am a speaker, and I am a lover of humans.

Melissa Wiggins:

You really are a lover of humans, and Stephanie is loved beyond measure in the community that both her and I live in, which is Central Florida and Orlando. And we have known each other for a very long time, and we were friends before we had our coaching relationship.

            But the reason I wanted to bring Stephanie on today, was I really want to have people who listen in, to figure out, "Is coaching for me?" And I think often, we think that if you have all your ducks in a row, and things together, you don't need a life coach, or you don't need a business coach, or why would you need a group program? And Stephanie, I feel like is an amazing example, within my six month coaching program, Empowered Life, of why would you invest more into yourself? Why would you join a six month coaching program? And so, I thought it would be really fun to hear from someone who's been on the front cover of magazines, and on television, and speaks in different countries. And I have chills, she's just a phenomenal human being. And so, why Stephanie, would you join a program called Empowered Life?

Stephanie Bowman: One of the things my grandfather said to me, when I was a super young child. He said, "Remember something, Stephanie, you will always at different times be the student, and always at different times, be the teacher, and knowing when that time for each is appropriate." So for myself, being a life coach and coaching others, I think it's really, really important that I too have a life coach, just like in Alcoholic Anonymous, I'm 23 years, clean and sober. So part of that was also always having, we call them sponsors, which they're mentors in the 12 Step Program.
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Melissa Wiggins:

Welcome to Coaching and a Cup of Tea with Mummabear. I am so very excited for this episode, I have one of my amazeballs clients and friend, and I cannot wait for you to hear all the fire that she is about to deliver for the next 30 minutes. Please help me welcoming Stephanie Bowman. Stephanie, who the heck are you? Why are you on this podcast?

Stephanie Bowman:

First, I want to say thank you. Thank you. Thank you, what an honor to be here with you today. So my name is Stephanie Bowman, and I'm the founder of One Heart For Women And Children. I'm also a life coach, I am a speaker, and I am a lover of humans.

Melissa Wiggins:

You really are a lover of humans, and Stephanie is loved beyond measure in the community that both her and I live in, which is Central Florida and Orlando. And we have known each other for a very long time, and we were friends before we had our coaching relationship.

            But the reason I wanted to bring Stephanie on today, was I really want to have people who listen in, to figure out, "Is coaching for me?" And I think often, we think that if you have all your ducks in a row, and things together, you don't need a life coach, or you don't need a business coach, or why would you need a group program? And Stephanie, I feel like is an amazing example, within my six month coaching program, Empowered Life, of why would you invest more into yourself? Why would you join a six month coaching program? And so, I thought it would be really fun to hear from someone who's been on the front cover of magazines, and on television, and speaks in different countries. And I have chills, she's just a phenomenal human being. And so, why Stephanie, would you join a program called Empowered Life?

Stephanie Bowman:

One of the things my grandfather said to me, when I was a super young child. He said, "Remember something, Stephanie, you will always at different times be the student, and always at different times, be the teacher, and knowing when that time for each is appropriate." So for myself, being a life coach and coaching others, I think it's really, really important that I too have a life coach, just like in Alcoholic Anonymous, I'm 23 years, clean and sober. So part of that was also always having, we call them sponsors, which they're mentors in the 12 Step Program. So, if I am authentically teaching other people and leading other people, directing them to that place that they're looking to be in life, I also need to always be filling up. What I know to be true, is that when I stop doing that, even if it's for a short time, there is a disconnect, and I have this thing called imposter syndrome.

            And I get that when I'm not doing what I'm asking other people to do, or leading other people to do, so I think it's super important. I will tell you that with Empowered Life, it was the first time being part of a group coaching. And in the beginning, I was a little bit hesitant, because it was new for me, but I will tell you that I am so, so grateful that I didn't pause for too long. And I just said, "I trust. I trust Melissa. I trust the group. I don't know the group, but I'm already going to trust the group." And I think that it's also part of as putting out into the universe what we want. And so for me, it was I knew that I wanted to be filled back up, I knew that it was time for me to take a pause on life coaching, so that I can really, really get that balance back, and get filled back up so that I could pour out.

Melissa Wiggins:

I agree with you, I have my own coaches that help me in this journey. Also, I actually suggest to people, if you are trying to find someone to hire as your coach, ask them this question, "Do they have a coach?" I need for them to have a coach, just like I need one, in order to pour out, you have to pour in.

Stephanie Bowman:

I think that's a requirement, that is absolutely a requirement. Before you, it was that same question. And it was the same thing again, going back to Alcoholics Anonymous. And, when it was time to find a new mentor, sponsor we called them, it was also, "Do you have a sponsor? Do you have somebody that you are working with?" And it doesn't matter if we're five years, 10 years, 25 years, 50 years, clean and sober, same thing with life coaching, or working with others in any direction, if we don't have mentors, if we're not staying filled up in whatever area that is, mind, body, spirit, then can we really give that person that we're working with, what we have said that we would help them with?

Melissa Wiggins:

I love that. So you said you wanted to get some balance back, do you feel like you have some balance back? And if you do, what do you think helped with that?

Stephanie Bowman:

So, I was thinking about that this morning, I was doing a lot of journaling today, and I just got back from Guatemala, from serving for a week, and yesterday was my first day back. And I journaled so much while I was there, but really journaled a lot last night and this morning. And so much of that was about what my last six months has looked like. From Empowered Life, from this amazing group of others that have been part of this journey through Empowered Life, and also through some other areas in my life. And I will tell you, a lot of people are hesitant, I'm going to shift there, because I want to come back and answer that, because a lot of people are hesitant about a dollar amount, a lot of people when they think about life coaching, we don't think about investing in ourselves.

            If somebody said, "It's $20,000 to get this person back on their feet and where they need to go." I would go out and I would find that money, we would raise that money and we would help that person. So the question to myself was, and is there a dollar amount that I would put on, $5,000, $10,000, $30,000, whatever that dollar amount is, and I will tell you right now, if somebody would've said, "Go raise $50,000 for yourself, because this is where your life is going to be in six months." I would have done it in a heartbeat, and Melissa, I love that part of it. Not that it's $50,000, although I want to tell you that there's no dollar amount, there is absolutely no dollar amount that is too much to invest in yourself, which is, invest in myself.

            And I will tell you, that my life has been transformed. As I was beginning the Empowered Life, I was also, I had just done a one year, three, or a five year plan for One Heart For Women And Children, the nonprofit that I started 15 years ago. And when I started it, I didn't have a one year, three, or five year plan, I don't recommend anybody going into business that way. Although, it was a wing and a prayer, day by day, we just wanted to help people, and we didn't know what it was going to look like.

            So here we are, celebrating 15 years and we're getting ready, so somebody had started coaching me business wise, as well. So, that was right before I started Empowered Life with you, and I did my one year three or five year plan. And my five year plan was to be in a new building. And Melissa, it happened this year.

Melissa Wiggins:

That's so crazy.

Stephanie Bowman:

That's the beautiful part, because what it allowed me to do when I stepped back, and really focused and filled myself up, day by day, and allowing other people to be a part of it, it has been so amazing, because what it has also allowed people to do, is to come in and teach me ways of doing things that I maybe didn't think about, or didn't apply then, that applies now. And I love that the inner circle that I have today, through Empowered Life, and through the 12 step program, and through One Heart For Women And Children, and some of the other women's groups, my life is far richer today at 56 years old, than it ever, ever, ever has been.

Melissa Wiggins:

I love that, so much. And I love that I get to share all of those parts, I got to be driven up to see where the new building is going to be, that five year goal that happened in five months, so crazy. But that's what intentionality does, right? That's what focusing on something and putting your energy where you want your intention to go, and I feel like you really did that this round, right? You decided, "These are the things I want to work on."

            And I started questioned you on, "Why is this five years out? Why can't we do this right now?"

            And I think that's what's so cool about coaching, it doesn't matter if after I ask that question, the answer is still, "It's a five year plan." But if I ask the question, and you can see no reason why it can't happen right now, why can't it happen right now? It's just like the questioning of your mind to help you see those things that you can't see it for yourself.

Stephanie Bowman:

Absolutely. And, I think that's also finding that perfect life coach, because it's not just a life coach for self, it pertains to every aspect of my life, because if I'm really intentionally doing the work, it is not just business, or not just a personal relationship, or not just my marriage, which is another amazing part, because Melissa, you remember, six months ago, my marriage wasn't what it is now. I was really questioning a whole lot in my marriage, and is it really working? And should I be here or should I be gone? There were just so many questions, and what you said is, "Take a pause on that, don't make a decision. Today, you don't need to make that decision. Let's get into work, and let's readdress that in six months."

            And it was less than six months, it was literally eight weeks later. I'm like, "Whaaa?" And we have date nights and we've had an amazing relationship, and we communicate with each other, and we have date time together, and it's all very, very intentional. I will tell you, in this last six months, Melissa, I have delegated half of my work, half of what I was doing, day to day, others are doing it brilliantly, beautifully, and they were just waiting for it to be passed over to them. And as I give those roles, or allow somebody else to shine that's already shining bright, it allows me to pour that extra time into family and into my granddaughter, and into my marriage, into my personal relationships, so that I'm not always putting One Heart, or work first, because I did that for years.

Melissa Wiggins:

Well, and I think we all get there, right? I've burnt out, too, and I think one of the exercises I love in Empowered Life, that's one of my favorite, is that I am responsible, right? What am I responsible for, and what am I not? And it's so simple, and that's the entire point of the whole six months is, I want it to be easy. I don't want to over complicate it. I don't want to add to your life. I want to give you tools. And the I am responsible, you got very clear about what's yours, what doesn't need to be yours, and also if you're trying to decide, should I delegate? We get down to the motives of, why are we keeping it? Why are we not giving it to someone else to shine? And then we reveal more, and it gives us more things to work on.

Stephanie Bowman:

I think that was probably one of the most impactful for me, is I thought, so I'm not going to say the crazy head, but my head told me...

Melissa Wiggins:  Monkey mind.

Stephanie Bowman:

That's it. I had to do this, and then I remember I had called Heidi, and talking to some of the other people that were all like, "We're all in this group together." And we also had the opportunity to ask each other questions, and do group coaching. So, that was super impactful, because I remember somebody asking me if it was my ego, or could I really believe that nobody was capable of doing that? And there were five things that I said, and by the time I answered that, I was like, "Oh, okay. Where did that come from?" Because my head, 80%, I think they say about 80% of what I think I know, I don't.

            So there's so much in my brain, so as I can do those thought drops, or I can do the power of the post-it notes, where I'm literally writing all of these thoughts down on post-it notes, and putting it all up on a wall. I'll tell you the amazing part, that's also been super impactful for me, Melissa, because each time it's like I'm able to put all the thoughts up on a wall, or on a door, at one time, I had six doors going at the same time. And by the time it was like, "Number one, all right, is that real? No, drop it on the ground. Literally drop it on the ground, drop it on the ground." And one of them was about a relationship with a family member, and it was very a toxic relationship.

            And by the time I was done with that, Melissa, there were three things left, and one of them was, "It's not mine." The other was, "I didn't cause it. I didn't create it. And I can't change it." And the other one was, "Release with love." Those were the only three that were left on that door, and it was so powerful for me. So I was able to do what I needed to do to love myself, and honor myself ,where I can tell you for the last 23 years, I've allowed that person to call and just dump, dump, dump, and just be toxic. And now, I love myself so much, and I know that I'm worthy of those same relationships in my life, and that it is okay. And it's more than okay to say, "I love you. And I'm releasing with love." And literally, keep on living life and praying.

Melissa Wiggins:

I love so many things about what you just said there, but the one thing that's popping in my mind right now, is just you started to see, and understand, how much energy you were using every day in your brain just thinking about what is the right thing to do with this person? What should I be doing? And then the guilt and sheen that would come from, "It's a family member, et cetera." And what you did was, you used the power of the post-it, which is something I teach in the program, and you put it all up on the wall, and you were like, "Oh, this isn't true."

            And, I have chills all over, because the impact of doing that work is, "Oh my gosh, now I have energy for these other things. And here I am, 15 years into having a nonprofit, and we're going to have a 20,000 square foot place to hold this unbelievable organization that helps women and children." And you were able to do that, Stephanie, because you decided where your energy was going to go, after you thought detoxed it. And that's exactly what you did, and what has happened with your family member, is proof of that, you did the work

Stephanie Bowman:

And I want to say thank you for that, because you trusted, you entrusted each one of us, coming into this group coaching, just like we entrusted you. You have had absolutely the best interest coming in with love and integrity. And I know that the other beautiful thing is, you would never direct us in a way that you haven't already been directed.

            So, I just went to Guatemala for my very first time, and I want to tell you, I read the Black Sheep Book for the third time, my third time, and Melissa, this last time, there were some things that I saw differently. And I love knowing that my core values have everything to do with who I am today, and my intention with others, and my purpose, and the why, of why I do what I do, loving others, it's so absolutely clear, where there's no question marks anymore, there's no gray in between anymore.

            I ask myself those questions, and one of the things that I just added into my core values, is health, I did not add health my very first time. And health is a super important part for me, because if I'm not healthy, I'm a few weeks cancer clean, again. And if I'm not healthy, if I'm not taking care of my body, no matter what's going on in my body, if I'm not honoring my body, and I'm not taking care of my body, I can't show up for myself, or others. And that was huge for me, adding that this past week.

Melissa Wiggins:

Oh, I love that so much. I love that you saw something different, right? And for the listeners, Stephanie has signed up to do Empowered Life, again. And when people ask that question of, "Why would you do it again?"

            It's like, "More will be revealed." The more you do the work, the more you push in, you get to decide at the beginning of Empowered Life, "What are my big goals? What do I want to be, feel, do, in six months?"

            And that the more work you do, and it's the exact same when you think about that first time you read a book, or you watch a movie, and it doesn't sync up with you, and then you do it three years later, or six months later, and you're like, "That was unbelievable." It's because that's what you needed right there and then.

Stephanie Bowman:

Absolutely, and I am so excited about doing it. I'm taking Empowered Life one more time, and who knows? Maybe two. Although, this time in some of my journaling this morning was, I'm very intentional on what I want to get out of this next six months.

Melissa Wiggins:  Yeah.

Stephanie Bowman:

And I know, it's going to be far more than what I have on paper. And I think that's going to be the hard part. I am in a different place today, than I was two months ago, especially six months ago. I wanted to also tell you, that I had not missed one day, even being in Guatemala, not one day, where I did not have an hour to myself, taking care of myself. And that is something that it had been years since I did. Or I would divide it, 20 minutes here, 20 minutes there, which really is not the same as taking one full hour devoted just for myself, for whatever that is, that I want to do. And I have not skipped a beat in six months.

            I know it is something that is so utterly important. And I'll tell you also, if I don't take that hour in the morning, before coming into One Heart, my team knows, they know, and either I'll walk in, and I'll start micromanaging, or whatever that might be right. And the team will say, "Hey, why don't you go take walk?" Or, "Do you want to drive up to Starbucks?" And so, it's beautiful that equally, it's rippled into the team here, because we're very intentional on what we do as a core team, and keeping each other filled up and loved. And we've got a wall of wins here at One Heart, so everything that I've learned, and I'm implementing into my life from Empowered Life, it's also rippling into here, at One Heart For Women And Children, which is just so beautiful.

Melissa Wiggins:

I think that's my favorite part, the ripples. And that's my whole reasoning, we had our dinner, our live event, where we got to all be together, one of my entire highs of my whole year was that night. It was magical, it was everybody from Empowered Life, we all got together and we had the most amazing evening. And one of the attendees, one of the people in the program, Hope, said, "Why did you start Empowered Life? What was the thought behind it?" That was the thought, I know when I'm doing well, when I'm coached up, when I've had my face coached up, when I'm on the beam, I know that everything around me gets that same effect.

            And the thing I love so much about you, Stephanie, and what you're saying about your one hour of rest, is you are in a very high powered position. You're very well respected in the community. What an example you can be, as a leader, as a speaker, as a coach, to other women to say, "By the way, I'm here at this level, because I'm pushing into rest. Rest is a part of my strategy." And you're using all of the things you learn, and you're creating a wall of wins at your work, and you're creating play, and you're showing the other leaders within your organization that. And that ripple effect, who knows how many thousands of people that goes and changes their lives?

Stephanie Bowman:

I love the power of the ripple effect. And it's just like the power of relationships. When you really think of both of them, they really go hand in hand. So talk about the ripple effect, we here at One Heart, we all encourage each other, not only to put our wins up on the wall, equally, when we come in the morning, each person greets each other, and asks how their night was, and what they did for themselves, what they did for themselves over the weekend or the night before. So, it's that reminder, and even if somebody didn't take that time, now it's that seed that's planted. So it's like, "Oh, wow."

            And one of the gals she came in, it was probably about three weeks ago, and it was over the weekend, and we had four out of nine of the women that talked about how they took time for themselves, and how it felt. And their energy here at One Heart was so more intentional, and loving, and compassionate, because they loved themselves, because they took care of themselves, because they thought of themselves, just as they thought of other people.

            I think that's one of the other things I really want to talk about, Melissa, is I've really learned how to love myself. It was easy for me six months ago to say, "Absolutely, I love myself." And my first week, after my first one on one with you, I went home, I hopped in the bathtub, I was in the bathtub for an hour, and I cried probably the whole time.

            And it was really just asking myself, "Am I really doing the things that I say that I'm doing? Am I really feeling the way that I just told Melissa that I was?" And I love it that you didn't tell me any different, even though I know that you knew that some of it was, maybe, the way I wanted to feel, and maybe didn't feel at that time.

            And I love the love and the compassion, because I was able to come back, and let you know how I was really feeling, and your response was, "I know." And I love that, because you did it with such a gentle nudge, you did it with such integrity and love.

            So, that's what I wanted to talk about, is that, as we know, we're all in different places at different times, part of Empowered Life, is being able to show up and say, "I don't know, I don't know what it looks like, or I don't know how I'm feeling today." Instead of pretending, or giving an answer, because I think I have to have an answer. And our first one to one. Walking away from that. And getting in the bathtub and just crying my eyes out. I was so empowered afterwards. That I got up and I walked. And it was very empowering, because I was able to feel it to the bitter core, feel it, and cry, and get all of that out, to be able to get right back up. And that empowerment of walking around and saying, "Is it true, or is it not? Is it a fact, or is it not? Is it a fact? No, or yes?" 

Melissa Wiggins:

It's true, is it helpful? Is it helpful for me to keep thinking this thought, over and over, sometimes the thoughts are true, a lot of the time they're not, but sometimes they're true. And sometimes we have to say, "Okay, well, this is probably true. It is a fact, but is it helpful to these goals I just told Melissa that I want to achieve in six months?" And if the answer is no, then let's delete that, and figure out a new one.

Stephanie Bowman:

I love that. So being 56 years old, and I have 56 years of life. And so much, six months ago, there were a lot of things that I thought were real, I thought they were true, and I thought that I would believe until my last day on earth. And I can tell you that so much of that now, I'm like, "Whoa, where'd that come from?" But also being able to dive in, and see where some of that came from. Where was that, that I heard that, or started to believe that? So, it allowed me to also heal some of that hurt, and heal some of that, or go back and have some really candid conversations with people, so that I had some answers, so that I really could stop believing it that way, and find a new truth.

Melissa Wiggins:

I remember the first time we met for a coaching relationship type meeting, not as friends, and I remember your phone just off the hook. This thing did not stop buzzing, and beeping, and ringing, and you are an in demand person, right? That's a fair accurate observation of who you are, but you challenge that truth to be, "Perhaps I am, but that doesn't mean I have to be available for everybody, all of the time." And that's the biggest shift I've seen in you, when we did retreat together at my late house, we do a women's retreat twice a year, Stephanie came on the last one.

            And when she came on it, one of the things we do is, I take their phones. And I tell them, "Give your spouse, husband, whoever's waiting for you at home, give them my phone number, and should there be an emergency, they can call me."

            And that, I believe, really shifted a lot for you, because after that, you no longer were like, "Oh, I can't. I'm not going to die if I don't respond to this text right now, or this call." I'm in a meeting with Melissa, and what I've noticed throughout our one on ones, is now you're present. The phone is not off the hook where you're saying, "Let me take this real quick." Instead, it is, "I'm present. I'm here right now with Melissa. This time is for me. And I'll handle that later."

Stephanie Bowman:

I love that, Melissa, because with what you just said, my phone goes off at 6:00 PM now. My Phone goes off at 6:00 PM, and before it would be on, if somebody called, I know, it's a happy dance,

Melissa Wiggins:

We're dancing. I know you can't see us, but we're dancing on Zoom.

Stephanie Bowman:

And that has allowed me to stay present with my family, and with my husband, and with my friends, with my time with my mom, with my one on ones. I don't even bring the phone into my meetings anymore, and that has been very impactful. Thank you for telling me that you noticed that.

Melissa Wiggins:

I noticed it so much, it is so beautiful to me. And it never phases me in the beginning, when people are like that, because I feel like many of us in the group, had that. And I think about I was like that five years ago. I was the person who I felt like doing the nonprofit stuff, "I have to be available. What happens if a child's diagnosed with cancer, and I'm not available?" And I had all of that, and now I'm like you, I don't see clients after 6:00. My phone is in another room charging in the evening, that time is for family, right? And I realize the world can operate without Melissa being available, and it's like freedom.

Stephanie Bowman:

It is freedom. And Melissa, it gave me an opportunity, so we had three phone lines...

Melissa Wiggins:

Three phones? I mean, girlfriend, listen.

Stephanie Bowman:

Now I have one personal, that does not ring as much, but I have somebody that answers one phone, and does what they need to do, and that all has to do with one area of One Heart. And I have somebody else, that now is answering the other phone, and what I know to be true, Melissa, the world is not going to stop, if I don't answer the phone.

Melissa Wiggins:

Listen though, same. I mean I thought the same, right? When I was in the pediatric cancer world, if I don't do this, someone could die. And, the truth is, what happened to me was, I burnt out and I wasn't helpful to anyone. And on my watch, that was not going to happen to you. And I feel that way about everyone in the group, on my watch, there's no burning out. We're not adding cortisol, and overwhelm, and to burnout, and decision fatigue. No, we're going to figure out what our values are, we're going to live big massive, audacious, beautiful lives, absolutely. And also, set boundaries around our time, and our energy.

Stephanie Bowman:

Setting boundaries has been super important in this last six months, as well. I thought that I was doing it pretty well, and I'll tell you, I wasn't. I was not real clear. It was almost, my words and my actions were way different. And now, I'm able to say it through love, and compassion, and belief, and honoring that, and I think that's the important part. It's easy to say to somebody, "That I'm setting a boundary, and here it is." And it's almost like that line in the sand, and then somebody gets really close and then steps over it. And it's like, "Oh, let me make a new line." Easier to make a new line, than to go there, whatever that was. And now it's like, "No, it's not okay."

Melissa Wiggins:

But what you know, and you knew this before you started was, we teach people how to treat us. Let me say it again, we teach people how to treat us. If I don't respond to someone after a certain time in the evening, they know, they're probably going to get a text at four in the morning, the next morning, but they know I'm not going to respond at night. That nothing has happened, the world is not on fire, but I'm present with my family. I'm in the pool, I'm doing movies, I'm watching 900 games of basketball, because my kids are basketball freaks. I'm in it, and I'm there.

            And then what happens when you do that, like you do is, you're all in when you're at work. You're all in when you're with your family. You're all in when you're deciding that health is a priority, because you're not pulled in 900 different ways, in the moment.

Stephanie Bowman:

Absolutely, and I'll tell you, taking a year off from life coaching, I think has also made all the difference in the world. I can tell you, that I will indeed, be coaching differently, than I did before, 100% be coaching people different from the way I was before.

Melissa Wiggins:

So for the listeners, when Stephanie decided to be part of my coaching program, she decided, and she decided, also at the same time, that she would not coach other people, and she would just focus on herself. So she is now going to take another six months off from that, and I just can't even imagine, but you imagine how much you're going to pour in over the next six months, and then imagine what your clients are going to get at the end of that. Up your rates, girlfriend!

Stephanie Bowman:

That's it. And it'll be a whole new program, it'll be a whole new program for me. So Melissa, I can't thank you enough for pouring your love into my heart and into my life, so that ripple can just continue.

Melissa Wiggins:

You are amazeballs. Is there anything that you would finish up adding to anyone that's maybe listening to this, thinking they might join us in August in our next round? What would you say to them?

Stephanie Bowman:

I would say just dive in, it's one of those that it's like a why not? When it doesn't matter what we do in life, it doesn't matter what our title is, it doesn't matter what our position is, it doesn't matter how much or how little we make, I believe if you're looking for transformation in your life, if you are looking to be empowered in a whole different way than you ever have been, just dive in, do a deep dive.

Melissa Wiggins:

Let's go.

Stephanie Bowman:

Let's go.

Melissa Wiggins:

Join us. We're a fun group, too. We're going to cry, but we're also going to laugh a lot. We're not terrifying.

Stephanie Bowman:

That's it, and here's the thing. If we're not crying and we're not feeling right, and we're not really feeling what's happening, and being able to learn a different way in life, are we really living?

Melissa Wiggins:

Nope.

Stephanie Bowman:

If we think that this is it, and I'm only the teacher, are we really living? No.

Melissa Wiggins:

I love it, I love you. Thank you so much for your time. You're amazing, and I appreciate you, and I can't wait to see you next week, too.

Stephanie Bowman:

I can't wait, too, and I just want to tell you, I'm giving you the biggest, biggest hug.

Melissa Wiggins:

Love you so much, you're amazing.

Stephanie Bowman:

You too. Have a perfect, perfect rest of your day.

Melissa Wiggins:

You too, lassie. Bye.

Stephanie Bowman:

Bye.