13. The "c" word. Yes, we are going there today!

Yes . . . we are going there. 

Fascinating and controversial topic as we leap into talking about the current state of the world of COVID, you guessed it the "c" word.

We share our thoughts on how the division among us has taken it's toll emotionally and mentally for so many over the last eighteen months.

We share our experiences on the distain and frustrations felt as people are not seeing the world through the same lens as another.  We encourage all of us to stand up and have a voice if you are so called, AND in that same breath offer compassion, empathy and grace without judging one another.

We encourage those feeling the angst of the current environment to rise above the line, rise above the choas. Stay in love. Take a deep breath. We get what we give; choose to exercise compassion, understanding and grace.

Do whatever serves you from a place of love and heart. Avoid ego, arrogance and anger for those that see life through different perspective. And being aware of our own personal cognitive dissonance could offer us a chance to look through a lens of curiosity and recognize and honor that we don't know what we don't know. The same is true when you need to set boundaries of energy projected that doesn't serve you.

Choose your center, and it certainly doesn't need to be someone else's balance, center or alignment. What is yours, is yours. Be true to that and we encourage you to release judgment of what the other person is doing. We believe that single act can all raise the vibration of the planet.

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Transcript

Amanda Loveland: 0:05

Hi there, we know that what is personal is universal. I am Amanda Loveland.

Jessica Carnesecca: 0:09

And I am Jessica devenish. Welcome to the conversation.

Amanda Loveland: 0:19

Jessica and I, we've been really good with knowing what we're going to talk about each week. And this week. Well, last week it happened that we didn't know. And then Holly showed up, which That was perfect. Then this week, we're like, my, I have no idea. And as we're sitting here, I loved what you just said, just I don't know, if you remember

Jessica Carnesecca: 0:36

I just said it's hard to, like, avoid what's going on in the world around us right now, and not have the conversation about how I'm experiencing how you're experiencing all the divisive judgement, energy just going on? Yeah, with all of the COVID in the political landscape. I mean, it started with the political landscape, right, the division you felt that started in 2016. And then it just progressively like, grown. Yeah. And become this like big, ugly monster. And if you don't see what I see, then all of a sudden, we're not friends anymore. And now the COVID, whatever you want to call it is now creating that same. But on a higher skill. Now, yeah, so I just felt like maybe we should just have the conversation.

Amanda Loveland: 1:21

Well, and to your way, it's like we're talking I mean, our title is what is personal is universal. So how can we not have this conversation? Because it's something that it's very personal. And I think as you do listen to this podcast, this is Jessica and my personal opinion. So take that right now for what it for what it's worth, this is just our opinion, this is what we feel and what we're passionate about right this moment. But I think with what you were just saying the one piece, the consistent piece in all of this since 2016, has been a division. And for me, because of the way that I think and you and I are similar, that it's like, well, who is it that's trying to divide us? And what's the what's the purpose? Because this isn't just happening to us. This isn't just a random thing like this is?

Jessica Carnesecca: 2:08

Well, it feels planned out. Yes. manipulated? Well,

Amanda Loveland: 2:12

there's actually been proof that it's been planned out. There's been this whole agenda. What it's not the New World Order, it's what is it? It was the

Jessica Carnesecca: 2:21

well, I believe it was the World Economic Forum. Yes. You know, I mean, if you go down all the rabbit holes, and just to be clear, like I've never considered myself a conspiracy theorist, I've considered myself a critical thinker. And hey, if that makes me a conspiracy theorist, then I'm fine with that, apparently. Right? Because I am a critical thinker, and I'm not afraid. And like Amanda said, you know, this is our viewpoint. But I'm not afraid to say I don't know what I don't know. Right. And I think that is frightening to some people, the cognitive dissonance of well, what about this? And what about this and science here and science there? And oh, my gosh, get in my face and yell at me about how you see the world. Mm hmm. I don't know where I was going with that. But what was I saying?

Amanda Loveland: 3:04

Well, we were just, I don't, I don't know where you're going with that either. But I do want to talk on the science piece right now. Because there's like a comical piece that's happening around the word science. If you go read any books that are around quantum physics, quantum mechanics, that kind of thing, you you will open up into a world to where there is more and more. Let's talk about zero point for a minute, I'm going to go into science 0.1 it has been ignored in a lot of scientific scientific things that they've gone out and tried to do because they assume that is zero point, nothing moves. But there it is, it does move the cells and the matter at the very very minute those quote quarks, however you say those are still moving, there's still movement, and yet it's taken out of the equation. And so there's been a lot more scientists that are coming to the table of saying, hey, these are the things that we're finding that are actually disproving the science that has been you know, for how many years and they get blackballed in, in their profession, in their industry if they step out against what has been proven. And you actually see this in, in so many different aspects Egypt, Egypt has now there's science, there's studies that are shown that the Egyptian the main pyramid with the Sphinx is older than what they originally thought, but nobody will will actually go and acknowledge that in any kind of history books, any kind of their teachings because if they did, it would completely unravel everything that they've been doing for how how however many years which is an interesting point, you go into the trade shows the world what were they the world what would they call the world fairs that used to happen all the time, and there is now pictures and things showing back in the early 1900s that they had, like more modern technology. Yeah. And and like they were forced to draw using those constructs those big buildings like they were built in how many weeks and then torn down. There are so many things about our history about science, that it's not concrete proof anymore. When we're talking about all the COVID stuff, oh, here's the numbers. Oh, wait a minute. That's not actually the numbers. Now we're having all these false positives or false negatives. They it there's, there's no. And oh, by the way, the vaccine doesn't even have any animal antibodies to counteract the COVID vaccine. In fact, there's a lawsuit. Didn't you just send me that video? Yeah, there's a lawsuit that's been initiated?

Jessica Carnesecca: 5:34

Yeah. Well, I posted something yesterday about a woman sharing the stats on the COVID-19 deaths and how if somebody is dying because of hospice, or they were given a terminal illness, and they died from that illness, but they were tested positive for COVID when they died, then that's a COVID death, right? So I posted it, and here I am hesitant to post it because I don't want to offend people that I love that may not agree with me. But I also want to be true to me and myself. So I think what I was saying was you would ask about the World Economic Forum and kind of how that started. Oh, yeah, going down those quote

Amanda Loveland: 6:06

rabbit and they were handed out those stuffed animals that was COVID something.

Jessica Carnesecca: 6:11

So I think the World Economic Forum, they did a simulated Corona virus outbreak in October of 2019. Right. And I start I somebody sent me that, was it 19? Or was 2019 was right before the everything January of 2020. Yeah. And so I mean, conspiracy theory or not, like, how I encourage anyone to go and look up the World Economic Forum event to a one. That is it makes you question What is going on? And then you find out, like you said earlier, all of the news media's the main six media channels are all connected. They're all owned by all

Amanda Loveland: 6:47

the same people.

Jessica Carnesecca: 6:48

And, you know, it just, it's just interesting to me how somebody is born and raised in Utah County. I mean, division has been part of my whole life. Like, I've always been kind of once. I mean, I had girlfriends that we had hung out, we were great friends, they'd sleep over, they'd wake up, my mom and dad, were drinking coffee, panic, all of a sudden, I don't feel good. I have to go home. So I've always that's not new to me to feel like kind of outside the norm. Uh huh. And this is so far outside the norm, if you don't see like somebody else does, like, I feel like I'm in junior high. And somebody just found out that I'm not Oh, yes. And we can't be friends. But it's on steroids.

Amanda Loveland: 7:28

Oh, it's on a massive scale.

Jessica Carnesecca: 7:30

And it is personal to me. And that is a universal feeling. As you're talking to people, you're kind of everyone's kind of feeling that way.

Amanda Loveland: 7:37

Well, because there's so much fear up and we're talking life or death. And so that's the thing when you put in somebody, most people's fear is death. They don't want to die. They don't want to lose a loved one. They don't want to have to go through that. So now you hype up on that fear whoever they is. create this pandemic out in the world, along with all these things that go with it. Whoa, oh, by the way, California is just barely shut down again. And Oh, interesting that they're gonna have to do melon ballots again, when they have well, who's the Oh, como como. So interesting. Some, again, new zoom can New York is como. Interesting timing, again, that Here comes as delta variant. Here we go starting to shut down states. Now we're gonna have to do melon ballots, again, which has been proven that this is an accurate, and we've had all sorts of issues, but to keep him in, maybe they're going to have to do something like that.

Jessica Carnesecca: 8:29

Well, and I think I shared with you, the World Economic Forum hosted, they have the names of all the different variants through March of 2023. I mean, anyone in their right mind that's willing to say they don't know what they don't know that you're willing to at least look, I find it fascinating, personally, that they have the names of all of the different variants already through March of 2020. Yeah, like that. I have to question that and say, how do they already know what the variants are going to be? How many they're going to be and what they're calling them? I think that's a concerning question. It's a huge concern. If we're having a vaccine, and I'm not anti backs, I'm just,

Amanda Loveland: 9:10

I'm an anti vaxxer. Something that's not proven. We're guinea pigs right now.

Jessica Carnesecca: 9:15

It's not even FDA pronounced an experimental vaccine,

Amanda Loveland: 9:18

that they just had to come out with a booster because they're noticing that the vaccine doesn't do things and Johnson and Johnson was way attacked, because now it's triggering all sorts of autoimmune issues, creating pulmonary embolisms creating, you know, and it wasn't just Johnson and Johnson.

Jessica Carnesecca: 9:33

Here's the fascinating part. Amanda, like, you can't even have this conversation just in general, with anyone that doesn't feel the same way because now like we can't be friends, like you don't understand quote, science. Well, okay, let's put science aside like what about my intuition, my personal intuition, like my personal health choices, things that like, let's say that I'm going to have a baby, and I want to do it naturally. I don't want to have an epidural. Are you going to battle me? And tell me all the reasons why I should have an epidural. No, you're right and I'm wrong now because I'm making a different health choice than you at some people will even on to that concept, right? If I don't want to have it, then how come everyone's lost all sense of we can still be friends even though we don't see everything the same and how come if you're taking a vaccine and I don't want to take the vaccine if I choose not to? does yours not work if I don't take mine?

Amanda Loveland: 10:28

Now I'm at now we're the unvaccinated are the ones that are what is the recent thing in Utah? governor

Jessica Carnesecca: 10:34

Cox said yesterday on KSL radio, I didn't hear it because I don't listen to media. Yeah, but my friend called me she was driving to Salt Lake and she said on KSL radio governor Cox just said, this is a pandemic of the unvaccinated we just completely faults. I'm just gonna, just back to going to the top attack, whatever. They're they're creating more division and more your division and more fear among the people. I mean, even you know, the race conversation and Morgan Freeman, I love his stance on it. He's like, why do we still keep talking about it? Why are we talking about racism? Now, if you stop talking about it, we wouldn't be I'm a black man, and you're a white reporter. We're sitting here having conversation, we're the same. Right? Why are we still having the conversation about racism, let's not have the conversation. And I'm not saying in a big picture, it's not a problem that needs to be addressed. I love that there's awareness around it. And I think awareness is such a beautiful gift more people are aware of it. And it's great. But I just feel like there's so much Nxd and hatred going on with people that you love and that you've always loved. But now we can't be friends. Or you're not very smart. Because you don't take the vaccine, you're not very smart, because you do take the vaccine, like, Well, for me, I

Amanda Loveland: 11:50

think when you really unravel all of this, and it comes down to power, right at the at the core level of us on an individual level. We like to think that we live in a world that wants us to thrive. We're we live in the United States, we're in a free country, we have free enterprise, we can do all these things that people just flock into the United States, because they also want to have now we had these things that are coming up, we have a president that got elected and that bumped up against so many people because here's here's someone who actually candidly speaks very frankly, and is not doesn't speak like a politician. So we have had politicians in office for how long that say things that make us feel happy. For the most part, that make us you know, Obama was an amazing speaker and the way that he spoke, if you know anything about NLP, and anything like that, he actually had a lot of cadence. So most of the things that we have in our life, we are being programmed since the day we're born. And we have been programmed through family systems, through TV, through radio, through books, through religion, through our politics, uh, you name it, how many times if you guys listened to any kind of, there's different kinds of readers, when I was a Mormon General Conference would put me to sleep every time. Guess what, when you're in more of a sleep state, and you're still listening to something, it's a lot more impressionable, it goes into your deep psyche into the unconscious. And your unconscious mind actually drives more of the consciousness of how we live and thrive in the world. So now this thing's coming in that now we have to really start asking yourself, what do I believe, and now I want to savior to come in and and save me, which is the vaccine or their politician because this our world is going to shit. And now all of these things that we thought we knew are coming up and are unraveling. And when your foundation unravels, cognitive dissonance will happen. Your anger, fear gets triggered, and we start reacting not from a place of love and compassion for another human being that's on the planet. But from, hey, you're an idiot, if you want to go vote for Biden or vote for Trump or get the vaccine or not get the vaccine. It's like, Hey, how about we just go from our personal experience of me as a shaman, I can see and your husband is experienced the same thing I can see and feel with the vaccine does to the nervous system. I know I see that and feel that from my own personal experience. I've seen how its sexually transmitted. I see how it attaches to the nervous system. And it looks like an entity that takes away energy from the person. And so going back to the whole power piece, this is a power of thing, a personal power of feeling like something's getting ripped away, how do I grab more power? I'm going to tell you what I think you should do. Because then it makes me feel more powerful. Because if I actually were to sit and this I'm scared to death. And I don't want to face those. I don't want to face those fears. I want to face the emotions of what's underneath that. Yeah, for sure.

Jessica Carnesecca: 14:40

And I'm not just set the record straight. I'm not saying COVID is not a real thing. Like it is a real thing. I know plenty people who have been sick. I know people that have lost loved ones. I understand that. I also know people that have lost loved ones from the flu, pneumonia, cancer. Tuberculosis is contagious from what I understand. And I think millions of people died from that in 2018. But we're not we're not talking about that. Right. And I just feel like there's no compassion is the perfect word you just shared. There's no empathy for anyone, if they don't see the way that you see, as now, I've known you for 30 years, you're one of my favorite people. Maybe we weren't on the same political landscape or the religious understanding, but we always had a mutual respect for one another. And all of that, until now has just spontaneously combusted. And if you don't see what I see, then you are a bigot. You're a homogenous pig. I mean, things that I all sources, there's people that would post something on social media, and I will be like, honestly, how am I friends with you? If you're saying that about somebody who doesn't see like, you see, like, how did we get to this point? And so I think, right, it's like they're creating room. It's like I put, I posted a thing where it said, if you put red ants, and black ads in a jar, and you just leave the jar, they will live together, and they're totally fine. But if you take that jar, and you just shake the hell out of it, guess what happens? They start killing each other. Yeah. And I feel like that's what's happening. So I, as we're sitting here saying, what should we talk about on today's podcast? I'm like, well, let's share stories about our life. And I don't know how I would be remiss to not sit here and say, all of this anger and hatred amongst people that I've loved and known for years, it's hard. It's hurting my heart. It does.

Amanda Loveland: 16:19

It hurts my heart. I, on the one hand, I'm actually really, how do I phrase this, I am happy that these things are unraveling. It is painful for I mean, my personal work, I work with people that their world is unraveling, because they're choosing a relationship out of religion, whatever it is. And in those moments, I'm actually I'm, I'm thrilled for them. I remember, this is so silly, but I remember having an event to where some traumatic news came to me about a person that I was with that I deeply trusted, and I was in tears, I was in shock. And I went and sat with a friend who looked at me and said, Oh, I'm so happy for you. And I looked at her. I'm like, are you kidding me right now. And now, I mean, this was years and years ago, now I understand it. Because when your world starts unraveling in these pieces, you come actually more to a deeper connection to your soul than you ever have your relationship to God changes because you start asking those questions of what do I really believe either in the world or with myself? And how do I want to navigate? Now you either will choose that, or you'll either go more asleep, and you'll or you'll commit suicide, you'll choose out of this life because suicides have gone up. And so in one hand, I'm, it's it's challenging to be in these times, especially for those of us that have kids that are also living through this. But on the other hand, I feel like what's on the other side of this is a potential for more possibility for peace, for humanity, for connectedness on that compassion level. And then we've ever experienced, because we're waking, people are waking up and going, wait a minute, what's really happening here?

Jessica Carnesecca: 17:57

I agree with you, for sure. And when I say like, it hurts my heart, like for me personally, like I feel so empowered with information that I didn't know that I didn't know. Yeah, like, even like, all my kids have been vaccinated. I was all in for that. And I didn't ask any questions before, I had no reason to ask questions I was raising, I'm doing what I needed to do. And now I'm questioning some things. But that doesn't make me a bad mom or a bad person, it's okay to say, Gosh, I don't know if I really want to have that. I'm concerned. And this is why and this is why and this is why and this is why right. And it shouldn't change how somebody else views me or sees me and more importantly, like I find myself hesitant to even share it. Because you're going to be condemned or you know, you're like a killer and you want grandma to die. I mean, how many times have we heard that right?

Amanda Loveland: 18:48

Oh, yeah, you're you're a killer, because you don't support masks? Oh, I've been I've been accused of that.

Jessica Carnesecca: 18:53

Yeah. And I see people say, Well, you know, grow up and put on a mask for five minutes. Well, again, how is that even okay to say, because maybe I could say the same thing to you.

Amanda Loveland: 19:03

Yeah, take off your mask and don't live in fear.

Jessica Carnesecca: 19:05

I just think the whole and it's it's interesting, you know, those that say my body my choice, certainly don't feel that way now. Right when they talk about abortion on the left side and saying, Oh, my body my choice, but why is it not my body my choice if I don't want to wear a mask

Amanda Loveland: 19:20

because of what I want to share because of what you just shared earlier? Because there's such a marketing agenda, which is part of how we're programmed that we have enemies and we went from having enemies overseas. To You know, you look at the different It actually started enemies in our nation first, right, our nation was divided. We had the war north and south. We did all that. Then we went to overseas and we have 911 happen. Aliens will be up there. One of these days we'll have them as like somewhat, there's a foreign threat. And now we're actually our threat is our next door neighbor. So it's interesting actually, when you think about this, it's actually an interesting sight. psyche psychological warfare that has been created from a marketing agenda? You know, I remember listening to the TED talk that Bill Gates did however long ago, you know, it's just fascinating that here's the billionaire that did a tech company that's all of a sudden dove into the medical industry. And now we're supposed to, you know, like, thank God, he's not in the forefront anymore of what's happening, not as

Jessica Carnesecca: 20:24

well that say, you know, he's beautiful and brilliant, and he's done so much for humanity. Well, and that's not my experience, my experiences, right? Watch a TED talk, Google, do population control on Bill Gates.

Amanda Loveland: 20:36

Yeah. And listen to what the words that come out of his mouth are. If we, if we do our help, I think as a health reform health care program correctly, we will have a deep population, we will depopulate the planet by X percent. He those words come out of his mouth. There's a I don't know, most people don't know about these. But there's a thing called the Georgia keystones guidestones. Guide Stein stones Yeah. And they're fascinating, because again, most people have no idea about these. So this was a monument erected in 1980. And Elbert county in Georgia. It's a set and it was it was created from a guy came in somewhat anonymously, the group that he was bringing, bringing in the money and erecting these guidestones. It was anonymous. But it's a set of 10 guidelines that are inscribed in a structure of eight modern in the structure, there's these big old stones, and eight modern languages and a shorter message messages inscribed at the top of the structure in for ancient language scripts. And I want to see if I can find what the words say. But essentially, one of the biggest thing is about population control. And the the, the keystones, the guidestones, erected in such a fact that it follows the solstices, it follows the sun pattern, and essentially is a way for rebuilding the planet because something will happen to where it wipes out population. And from the things that you and I have read, here's part of the agenda with wiping out the population, which I mean, whether regardless of how you want to view it, because it's because of the vaccine that it will eventually actually take people out or because of the actual virus, I don't think it matters, there is there is a an aspect that it's going to take out a lot of people. And here's the thing that if you want to have homeostasis on the planet, then the world population should only be X amount. The world should be governed by this. It's it's essentially the New World Order that these stones have been erected, Who did that? And if you think somebody is going to go spend millions of dollars anonymously to go create something like this in Georgia, of all places, please tell me that you don't think it's a possibility that there's actually a lot of people behind the scenes that have been trying to control and have been controlling the money, the agendas that are going out the politics that how who's making money right now, who

Jessica Carnesecca: 23:02

are the wealthy? Well, yeah, 3% of the population is controlling the world. And who is

Amanda Loveland: 23:08

how much money are these people making that are doing the vaccines? Oh,

Jessica Carnesecca: 23:12

I think I shared that yesterday, I did billions of dollars, like, because now there's all these other side effects. And so they're having to

Amanda Loveland: 23:22

find it. So when I was first I when I had I think I've shared before when I was diagnosed with bipolar years and years ago, but on these three medications, and then I start having side effects from one medication to another. And the the common practice was at least with that doctor that I was working with, well, here's another medicine to counteract that side effect.

Jessica Carnesecca: 23:41

Here it is. Pfizer is making a killing according to NASDAQ, they made 18.9 8 billion the second quarter of 2021 alone. Obviously a huge profit from the vaccine but their drug eliquis Rose 13%. That's for blood clots. Oh Jan their drug. I can't even say this word, Vanda quill rose by 77%. That's for cardiomyopathy. Wow, see what see how big pharma works. That's the strategy. And this isn't like this are factual numbers. Right? You just have to go look, you know, so again, like I I certainly don't know all the answers, and I'm not even claiming to but I also am not afraid to say I don't know what I don't know. Something about that doesn't seem right. asking more questions, going to the CDC website finding for myself. How many deaths that they've had from every vaccine and list some analysts how and why.

Amanda Loveland: 24:31

Yeah, you have to dig a little bit but it is on there and it's quite interesting. But yeah, you read something that was kind of piqued your this idea of having this conversation

Jessica Carnesecca: 24:41

well, so my friend Rachel Jones posted this yesterday and I feel like it came from me and she she copied it and posted it, but I think this is why this spot for me. So it says I have done my best to respect the diverse opinions regarding COVID-19. over these past few months, however, the ER nurse that posted this bill He at least sums up my train of thought. Please take politics out of it and read this with an open mind using common sense. Even the word common sense, right? It triggers triggers people like anyone out there who can tell me what our endgame is what the COVID-19 what is the magic formula that is going to allow us to sound the horn for we're all clear is zero cases. The only way that this will happen is if we just stopped testing and stopped reporting, or is it the vaccine, it took 25 years for a chickenpox vaccine to be developed. The smallpox inoculation was discovered in 1796. And the last known natural case was in 1977. We have a full vaccine that is only 40 to 60% effective, and less than half of the US population chose to get one and roughly 20,000 Americans will die of the flu or flu complications, or your mandate it like any other vaccine or mandate in order to attend school traveled to some foreign countries, etc. We already have a growing number of anti vaxxers refusing proven tested, well known vaccines that have been administered for decades, but aren't necessarily safe in their eyes. Do you really think people will flock to get a fast track quickly tested vaccine with long term side effects and overall efficacy are anyone's best guess? How long are we going to cancel and postpone and reconsider? You aren't doing in person school until next quarter? What if October's numbers are the same as August, you move football to spring? What if in March, it's worse than now? When do we decide the quality of life outweighs the risks? I understand COVID can be deadly or very dangerous to some people. But so are strawberries and shellfish. We take risks multiple times a day without a second thought. We know driving a car can be dangerous. We don't leave it in the garage, many speed and don't wear seatbelts. And yet they choose to do that every single day. We know the dangers of smoking, drinking and eating fried foods. And yet we do it anyway. Is hugging grandma really more dangerous than rush hour on the freeway? is going out with friends after work more risky than four days, four day old gas station sushi or operating a chainsaw? When and how did we quickly lose our freewill and give up our liberty? Is there a waiver somewhere that I can sign that says I understand the risks of life. But I choose life with hugs and smiles in the state fair and go to church and hug my mom in my retirement home. I understand that there's a miniscule possibility that I could die today. But I will most likely end up feeling like crap for a few days. If I do get COVID I understand I could possibly pass it to someone else if I'm not careful. But I can pass any virus on to someone else. I'm struggling to see where or how this ends. We either get busy living or we get busy dying. When God decides that your time you don't get your Mulligan's. So I guess I would rather spend my time enjoying it and living in the moment and not worrying about what ifs and maybes. And I bet I'm not the only one out there. Amen. And I just felt like yes, that's how I'm feeling. Yeah, because I personally am more afraid of not living than dying. We're all we're here to have a life we're gonna die.

Amanda Loveland: 27:50

But I thought that point that she said in there, are we here to live? Are we here to die? And that's 100% where everybody's mentality is is the death?

Jessica Carnesecca: 27:57

Yeah, please, please tell me if you know anybody that if a family member showed up to a birthday party with the sniffles, you would say Oh, I'm so sorry. You're not feeling good.

Amanda Loveland: 28:05

And you'd be a little cautious. Yeah, of course, I'm

Jessica Carnesecca: 28:07

not going to hug them and kiss them on the mouth, share a drink or whatever, you know, but but now it's like, it's just like you're a leper, if you even think of you even cough in the same room. Right. And so I just think it's interesting. It's fascinating and frustrating, and empowering and confusing. And so many different words to describe, like the current culture. Yeah. And I think more people, no matter what side you're on, are feeling that at least, like yesterday, kneeble School District released their guidelines for the year. And I know so many parents who are so grateful they're not going to mandate mass are not going to mandate testing. They're going to allow the parents to parent their children, as they see fit. You know, have you heard that? Have you saying where I don't want to parent my children with the government? Oh, yeah, I want to make my own choices. Right? That's that's kind of what it feels like. It's so many people are elated. That kneeble School District chose to do that. And sadly, the ones that don't want that are gonna scream louder than the ones that do

Amanda Loveland: 29:05

well, or they'll get more press coverage, because that's it's kind of serving, serving their agenda.

Jessica Carnesecca: 29:11

The school district boards I have friend I mean, I have a friend who was on Alpine school district board here locally in Utah, and they had a lot of parents show up on both sides really angry and they were threatening them and their family. Like he went home. He went home, like fearful of his safety for his family. And he, he was I mean, I could just feel like just the emotional stress that he was under. Just because he works for the school district board. He's trying to follow the health and CDC guidelines, even if even though he may not agree with them, and he thinks parents should be able to make their own choice. He's got parents screaming in his face. And I just that it's just it's disheartening. Yeah, I feel like 100% that we've just come to this place where you know, you're we can't be friends. I mean, I have I will say there's some people that I have maybe unfollowed on Social media not because I'll be very clear, not because I didn't agree with their viewpoint. I just chose to unfollow them. Because everything that they posted was smug and disrespectful to people who didn't see things like they did. Yeah, it's different if I'm sharing a factual comment or statement or article or something that's resonating with me. But people I have just felt like Gosh, added the third time seeing their constant posts that are smug and make me feel icky. Mm hmm. I just don't want that in my energy space. Right. I don't want my field.

Amanda Loveland: 30:31

Yeah. Yeah. One is kind of like that boundary piece, right? Like, you know what, this isn't worth it and and to what you were saying earlier, the junior high. I know when we were going through a lecture

Jessica Carnesecca: 30:42

all in junior high again, and we're all acting like adolescents, who are just walking off a little tablet lens. Yeah. mocking belittling, like bullying. Frankly, I was bullying each other. Because

Amanda Loveland: 30:54

I was shocked. There was a like, an I can't remember was a yogi or what that I, I seen her post and I was kind of surprised at how how blatant she was for her viewpoint. And it was in that way, that smug way. If you don't think this way, then you're an idiot kind of thing. And here's someone that's, I suppose a thought leader in the spiritual space? Which, in my opinion, if you really are Yes, you are allowed to have your opinion, but you don't say it in a way that makes everybody else feel less than because you are thinking that you're better than all these people. And so I don't comment very often, but I had to on that one, and I just in a very non threatening way just said, Actually, I really support this other candidate and, and said something very short as to why holy shit you I mean, talk about throwing a lamb in the slaughter. That is exactly what I did. People were going to my page, they didn't know me, you're a shaman. And you have this opinion. And just, I mean, holy cow, I was attacked. So personally to people I have never, I mean, in. It's kind of like that. It's a little bit of a paradox. I probably shouldn't have commented. But on the other hand, it's like, you know, want to be true to yourself, too. Right? Yeah. And be like, you know, what, not everyone has the same viewpoint and is spiritually minded. I actually like this candidate. And this is why, and oh, my gosh, I and you know, it's, it is fascinating. It is fascinating how we can get so hung up on an idea or a belief. And again, I feel like this comes from a savior complex right now, especially this last election, who is going to save us? Either people thought it was Biden, or they thought it was Trump. And we were we were divided. And then some with who we thought would save save as

Jessica Carnesecca: 32:41

the Savior complex, right? Where's the second coming? The

Amanda Loveland: 32:44

world is ending and well, then that came in afterwards.

Jessica Carnesecca: 32:47

Yeah, right. And yeah, there is like this. There's this fear and who's going to come in and save us?

Amanda Loveland: 32:52

Well, and we live in Utah, where we don't get a whole lot of, I mean, we're down in Utah County. So we didn't really see firsthand the riots and some of these things. But some of those videos went on Provo Center Street. Oh, ci Oh, there was a shooting that Yeah, man. I, I it is, this is the part where it is. It's like is this really happening on our planet right now that people are becoming so angry and so willing to point a gun at someone and and pull the trigger? And I have a lot of beliefs as far as you know, a lot of that's our whole video games and all that that reality is behind all that too.

Jessica Carnesecca: 33:29

Yeah, sure. Grand Theft Auto is a game. Yeah, I watched my son's I was like, What is happening? Yeah. Oh, yeah. Well, there's prostitutes over here. And I'm just like, oh,

Amanda Loveland: 33:38

shoot to turn that off. And yeah, it's the it's, oh, man, this is a whole other conversation maybe for

Jessica Carnesecca: 33:46

another day. It is. And I think our point is just I don't I guess the takeaway for me has been rise above the line, rise above the chaos. And if we, because really, I'm still a big believer, there's like, either come from a place of fear or love, lack or abundance, right? so weak, I could easily stand firm on my beliefs and speak out what I believe. And I'm gonna people are going to pat me on the back and say, Ron, and other people are going to be like, you're the dumbest person I've ever met. And I don't agree with you. But if we I'm just choosing I think we said it, we have a group text. We're all like, stay in love. Stay in love. I repeat. Myself, right, with that effort to really step back. Take a deep breath, and just be like, I gotta rise above. I got to come from place of love. Yeah. Because never ever is anyone gonna always agree. Anyone gonna, don't everyone's not gonna like you. But like this thing. There's such a lack of empathy and compassion and understanding and grace. Yeah,

Amanda Loveland: 34:52

so one of the, one of the tricks or one of the things can be when you're in your head, you're out of the heart. So when we're in our Head, we're in judgment. We're passing. Every time we're in judgment, we're in our head, and we're not in our heart. And so it's a good reminder to our human judgment. How can I go move into the heart space? Okay, I'm gonna take a breath there. And then how do I want to navigate? And for me a lot of times I actually, man, I've been down all I've been down most of the rabbit holes, not all, but I had I got to a point to where it's like, okay, I can't do this anymore. Yeah, I know. I know that this is what I'm, I'm choosing I'm not going to engage too much in the media. I have a pulse a little bit as far as what's going on supposedly in the world. And, you know, there's light behind the black hole right now that everybody you know, there's a meteor shower that's happening,

Unknown: 35:38

and he's a wizard behind the curtains. Yeah. And that's where we're at in the story.

Amanda Loveland: 35:44

Yes. It's gonna be in balance. Who is it? And at the end of the day, I think the one one of the things well, I do want it before we really wrap up if we're actually doing shorter today, which is kind of that's a first but I loved this before you consider another another lockdown. 150 million people worldwide will go into poverty. 15,000 scientists signed the bearington declaration stating lockdowns are the greatest threat to human health. One out of four contemplated suicide in the US anti depressant medication is up 600% in the United States terrifying

Jessica Carnesecca: 36:22

number.

Amanda Loveland: 36:24

And I can have a conversation around that because energetically what happens when people are entered in a presence is really fascinating. Anyway, side note 40% of the US because you're you're turning off some of your when you go on antidepressants, it does turn off some of your cognitive function functioning. Anyway, 40% of the US adults reported struggling, reported struggling with mental health and 2020 up from 5.2% in 2019. US Army suicides have increased 30% during pandemic compared to 2019. Yep, says 60% of the restaurants on their app will never reopen. Meanwhile, Jeff Bezos is richer than ever he's ever been. The wealthy and elite have accomplished crushing the middle class and everyday Americans by implementing policies that grow their wealth. Remember the same people trying to mandate lockdowns and tell you to close your business never missed a paycheck. And I think I was watching a video that that was one of the first things that he said is the people that are out there stating and touting that we need to go into lockdowns are not the ones that have that are worried and have to worry about how they're going to pay rent, how they're going to feed their families. They're not the ones that have to be in fear, they're completely fine.

Jessica Carnesecca: 37:36

Well, and there's fear on both sides. Like I mean, I know nurses that are seeing that seen the worst of the worst, and they're living in hell with what they've experienced in COVID floors. And there's people like business owners that I know that are dying, literally dying, they're losing the way to even take care of their family. I mean, I don't know, which the best of the worst, which one's better. It's just, it's just gonna happen like, I Oh, it's just frustrating that everyone is. So their viewpoint is so singular, because they are coming from a place of the medical field. But what about the business world to the people that are literally they're dying? They're dying, these businesses that they have got their whole life, right or whole life are now gone. They can't even put food on the table for their family. Right.

Amanda Loveland: 38:21

And I'm not even talking about their employees that we're looking at also,

Jessica Carnesecca: 38:25

right, yeah. I mean, losing death comes in all forms, not just death of your physical body. Right? The people are dying, because they can't take care of their families and they're losing their livelihood. Yeah, because all of their rights. I did post something the other day, and here I am. I wanted to post this. It was such a simple thing that was said, things I'm worried about. And like 99% of it was my constitutional right. Yeah, one little sliver was COVID. And Amanda, I was so anxious about even posting it. I almost deleted it. Once I took it off, that I kept thinking, why am I so concerned about that? Because I really do free speech isn't so free anymore. And I don't want to alienate someone that I love. I really don't. But I also really, I'm okay if you dislike me, because you don't agree with that, right? Because at the end of the day, I just want to be I want to be true to me. Right? I am afraid of losing my constitutional rights, right? More than I am of COVID. And I have an eye and I do feel that way.

Amanda Loveland: 39:20

Well, and in states of emergency in our history, is when we've had short term supposedly laws implemented, for example, tax taxation was implemented in Was it the Civil War, that was supposed to be a temporary thing to provide for the troops and never went away. And it through history, you're seeing that in certain pandemics and certain emergencies and certain times of war, which in some aspect, that's what we're we're in all of those right now. different laws, different bills, different things will be passed because it's an emergency status that will never that will never go away. It'll be So to your point of the you know, what you're worried about. You're constantly writes, we should actually all be worried about that right now. And being more and more aware and having more of a voice of Hey, this is okay. I am grateful that there are people out there that are very loud. Sometimes it gets annoying with how loud they are. But I'm grateful that there are people like that that are out there that saying, This isn't Okay, and trying to protect our personal freedoms. That's not what I feel like I'm here to do right now on this planet. But I am grateful that there are those that are and one of the things that you were, as you were talking, because energetics and the mind is fascinating. We know that, you know, I can't remember who I was interviewing, I think it was for my religion podcast. I don't maybe, I don't know. Anyway, certain records were never broken, right? Somebody couldn't go run a for what was it a four minute mile. And yeah, and then all of a sudden, somebody did. And now all these other people are now doing it. You know, you there is an interesting flip side with that with if we think we're going to die from COVID are going to contract COVID. And you're so afraid of it, the thing you give energy to grows, regardless of what it is. And we do create our reality. It's, I mean, again, this could be COVID or anything, I losing your business losing whatever. So how much of the statistics are people that are suffering right now are literally because of the virus itself? Or because something about the energy and the thought pattern that you're holding actually pulled that in? Right? It's an interesting thought.

Jessica Carnesecca: 41:31

It is where your focus goes, does grow, where you what you resist persists. So this constant fear, you know, is like, like walking into a store and seeing little dots and squares on the floor that we have to stay six feet away from each other

Amanda Loveland: 41:45

programming, programming, programming

Jessica Carnesecca: 41:46

programming, that we're just people need people.

Amanda Loveland: 41:49

Well, and let's actually dehumanize each other by masking everyone up.

Jessica Carnesecca: 41:53

Yeah.

Amanda Loveland: 41:55

Which that is a shame. Because, um, I remember when we had the mass mandate lifted, we were in a restaurant and the way I'm like, Oh, my gosh, it's so amazing. Because I it was a restaurant I go to quite often, that is so awesome to see your face. And she said, all feel so good. I feel like I can finally breathe. And actually you could feel the energy in the entire restaurant. There was at the time, I think maybe two people had a mask on. And the it did feel like you can breathe for the first time. And it wasn't because of the mask. It was just what the energy was in that space. And I asked her, I said, What have you noticed? And she goes, people are so much nicer. And I'm getting larger tips than I was before.

Jessica Carnesecca: 42:33

And it is like there's an energy exchange, because I'm looking at you and you're smiling at me. And I'm praying back. And there's this lack of that when that was all going on?

Unknown: 42:42

Well, yeah, and you're covering three, it's not half of your face is three quarter of your face. Anyway, yeah. And that whole science on the mask thing again, I

Jessica Carnesecca: 42:50

think it should just go back to our own personal sovereignty, our own personal like, you know this, I just want to make my own choices. Well, I think everyone if you want to wear a mask, go for it. Where the man? Well, the rest of you, but

Amanda Loveland: 43:04

as far as science, we have Fauci emails that says, No, it actually doesn't do anything. We've had studies from pretty well known universities that have said, no, that masks do nothing to prevent the spread. In fact, this particle is so tiny and so minute that he can track and go through. So we know but you're gonna have people say that, that science debates that on the other side to the people do,

Jessica Carnesecca: 43:28

I've seen posts about I've seen I've heard conversations about it that they really believe that masks do help. So I yeah, again, it's like, just rise above the chaos and just freaking find some compassion in your life to say, Hmm, I don't see it that way. Yeah, and move on. Well, I found breezing trolling somebodies comments and saying, Oh, you are so dumb.

Amanda Loveland: 43:57

Well, and that the so if you're like, Okay, and what do I do? I, for me, personally, I've noticed again, I don't, I try not to go. And I try not to go down the rabbit holes anymore because it's not serving, I know what I need to know. And I know what I need to know to, to make my my choices. When something arises, I'll deal with it instead of worrying about something coming in and something I can't control, and a lot of freaking deep breathing. And unconsciously, I actually will imagine myself coming back to the center, coming back to the heart space, taking a breath and disconnecting from whatever possibilities whoever said something, and coming from a place of compassion, at least those are some things that have helped.

Jessica Carnesecca: 44:38

When I encourage people to speak up if they feel like authentically compassionate about a topic, right? Don't do it from a place of ego or I'm proving everyone wrong. Like if you're just sharing something that is authentic and true to you. It's okay if somebody dislikes you. That's okay, too. I think there that needs to No kidding.

Amanda Loveland: 44:57

That's an interesting thought actually. Are you You okay, if you're not liked? I know. And maybe this is our next podcast, because you and I, on our personal levels have dealt with it with some of the things we see ourselves doing in the future. That's something I had to really deeply look at. am I okay to be attacked? And not liked? And that one's?

Jessica Carnesecca: 45:19

Yeah. Because if you want to grow and heal and evolve, I mean, I think there's going to be times when you're not liked, and maybe the word liked is, you're not understood. Right? Because they don't know. They don't understand, because they haven't experienced what you've experienced. Yeah. So anyway, I just felt like, as we're having all these conversations, and you know, and I know, that everyone's have been having these conversations for I mean, it's been a year and a half. Now, I, this, this is not going to go anywhere for I would say, the entire time Biden's in office.

Amanda Loveland: 45:51

I think it's going to ebb and flow. And it's going to back in the whatever it was four years, it's four years, it's gonna take us to go through this. I and I think that's the case. Well,

Jessica Carnesecca: 46:02

and who knows what's going to happen with these variants and all of the travel restrictions, and you know, it's going to, yeah, even the will school district release that. I mean, it could change in a month, and who knows, but I think standing up for your true authentic compassions. And things that you're passionate about is good. It's okay not to be liked. I don't think like being belligerent and smug.

Amanda Loveland: 46:25

It does not serve. It's not anybody, anyone. And I would if you are belligerent and smug, I would ask yourself, why? Why do you feel like you need to be condescending and be a jerk to someone? And again, I think comes back to that power piece.

Jessica Carnesecca: 46:39

Yeah. And I do see people you know, they get triggered and upset and like really angry when they see something like, I've never felt myself that way. Have you when you've seen something that you don't agree with him? Like, not until this stuff? That's fascinating, but that's how they see that? Isn't it interesting. It's all about perspective, right? Yeah. And we say that if you go into a movie, and you come out and manda thinks that was the best movie ever. And I'm like, Oh my gosh, I'm never gonna get those four hours of my life back. Yeah, who's right? Right. We all want our own perspective. And I just think there's this level of more people than not that I've talked to and I don't know about you. They're all feeling the angst of it all. It feels icky.

Amanda Loveland: 47:14

Yeah, oh of 100% or 100%, and a weeding out process. Anyway, we probably should wrap up, is there anything else I don't know if there's anything else that we can offer? This is a fascinating topic. And I think if you can actually look through it at with a with a lens of curiosity, if you're feeling like you don't have enough water in your house, gonna get water in your house, do the things that you feel like, Okay, if something happened even because there's also the calamity, or the issues of fires and hurricanes and earthquakes and those things that have kind of been in our awareness, I don't know if it's in our listeners awareness as well get those things that you know that you would be, you would be okay. For me, I, my kids take vitamin D, they take vitamin C, and zinc is another word just as far as a preventative with you know, when you're in the, we're in cold and flu season, you take you amp up on your vitamin, so your immunity is stronger, it just is. And so have those things in your house to where you feel like you're empowered with making your own choices and, and then maybe see the world through a lens of curiosity and just observe,

Jessica Carnesecca: 48:24

because it's fascinating. It's true, on even just the health of what you're eating, not just the vitamins, but like, what are you eating? What are you going to eat every day?

Amanda Loveland: 48:32

Are you numbing out on junk food?

Jessica Carnesecca: 48:34

Because I had pop and caffeine and those kinds of things. And you know, if that's serving you great if you don't feel good, like, look from a lens of curiosity and say, why am I doing this? Why am I doing this? And what can I do to increase my health and feel better? Yeah, what can I eat? Be? Am I getting enough sleep? Am I connecting with nature? Am I you know, just I just think people, do whatever serves you. And there's, I think one of the things we be far more concerned with yourself, than your neighbor, or someone else. Yes, we can. I mean, I tell my five year old kids, who can you control? Who are you in charge of little buddy, not you're not your friend, you're in charge of you. Right? So I think it goes back to a very simple adolescent behavior, which is that Who are we in control of us? The only us no one else? So I agree going back to the simplicity of and maybe that will just help maybe, hopefully, we've shared something that will take the edge off of people. Is it a wrap them all up?

Amanda Loveland: 49:38

Oh, it's just good to have awareness, but it's the sovereignty piece. We are not victims of what's happening in the world. We can be in control, not control and only the word control but we can be empowered to be a sovereign individual of

Jessica Carnesecca: 49:50

Yeah, to everything you're saying will come back to your own center, right, all the way to your center and say if that's not in alignment with me, why not and Just be get clarity, clear with how you feel about that. And it doesn't mean that it needs to be somebody else's balance center or alignment. But if it's yours, and you're true to that, and if everyone's just true to who they are without the judgment of what the other person's doing, I think we could all just really raised the vibration of the planet. Amen. Let's

Amanda Loveland: 50:21

do that.

Jessica Carnesecca: 50:21

Let's do that. Let me Yeah.

Amanda Loveland: 50:25

Well, hopefully something else you guys. But if it didn't,

Jessica Carnesecca: 50:29

hopefully, we're still wells after this. Yeah. Have a great day. Until next time.

Amanda Loveland: 50:35

Thank you all so much. Thank you for joining the conversation today. We hope that something we said sparked your curiosity to further your growth.

Jessica Carnesecca: 50:45

Only you know what is meant for you. So let's continue the conversation and follow us on our Facebook page at what is personal is universal. We'll see you there.