17. Part 2 of the Twin Flame Conversation.

This is part two of our twin flame conversation with Angie Kirkham Goff.

If you're called to learn more about this concept, then this is where you're meant to be.  If  you've been drawn to know more about twin flames then lean in and perhaps there will be some topics that resonate with you.

We talk about karmic relationships, past life time relationships. Looking at two ends of the spectrum in our relationships in how we view the world. The yin and the yang of our lives.

What a beautiful web we weave as we learn more about ourselves as different relationships come in and out of our lives. There is no right or wrong; it is all part of our experience and something we choose to create. Everyone has a beautiful love story to choose into.  Finding and feeling into your version of love.

Angie loves to break down names and numerology; and the meaning behind them to guide us on our life's path.

Want to connect with Angie Goff:
email: angeladawn@inlightenyou.com
Facebook: Angie Kirkham Smart 

Transcript

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Hi there, we know that what is personal is universal. I am Amanda Loveland. And I am Jessica devenish. Welcome to the conversation. So we felt like after the first one we wanted to, and there was a few things that we started having questions about afterwards. So it's like, oh, well, I guess we get to do a part two. So just diving in. Yeah, if you're called to the twin flame conversation, then this is where you're meant to be part two of the conversation. So we'll keep asking our questions and lean in. So how do they know if it is the karmic, so pull the mic and praying bond? Or if it is a twin flame? Like how, if somebody was gonna ask you like, How do I know? Because for example, there was that one couple in the circle that was saying that, and it was kind of confusing the way they were telling their story. But anyway, it was like he was she was with this man that I was assuming was her husband at the time. But her her twin flame was someone else that she knew. Yeah, this is her belief. Let's just let's preface this and what she thinks too, right? Because I do again, I think the twin flame soulmate gets tossed around a lot. And I think to what, what I've appreciated about Angie, and what I'm trying to understand a little bit more is what the pure definition of twin flame is, and looks like kind of like what she was talking about with the false flame. Because I think in your understanding and your experience, twin flames are not painful. They're not tumultuous, not in the pure form of coming back to center. Like if you are, yeah, my experience, because that's what I can speak from is my experience has not been painful at all, at all. It's been very understanding. Even when I was curious about this other guy, and this, they'd been bouncing in and out of my life for 25 years. I brought it up with Steve and he said, Well, do you need time to go and figure that out? Do you need to go explore that? Do you need to go talk to him? Do you need to go? You know, and I was like, Oh, I wasn't even thinking about that. But maybe maybe I should go you know, and, and this moment opens up where I bumped into him. And so we're able to have a conversation. And it was, it was so such an awesome blessing and gift, I guess, you know, at the time, it was a gift that I believe was divinely given to just keep on answering the questions that were coming up for me because there was a little bit of like, Okay, if I keep bumping into him, and I've got this one over here, that was like such a synchronistic meeting. And that, you know, when I saw him for the first time, I was like, just my energy was pulled down going, who is that? Why is he feels so familiar. yz look familiar? Is that the look? Is it a feel I can't tell like this was pulling my energy. And, and then to be given that time to sit and talk with the one that you know, I would call my fault flame at this point. But that was a very understanding and loving relationship to like he and I always got along and just really honored and respected one another. So he listened even though I began talking about some past lives, and this and that, and it was something way beyond his belief. And yet he was the one who found Well, well, that's weird, you found me in a crash is that by chance, and I would say to all of the listeners, there's no such thing as chance. So one, you got to really, if you believe things happen, by chance, go start looking at that. Do things happen by chance, I personally believe everything happens by vibration. You know, you don't plant a seed in the, in the garden. And it by chance grows. No, it grew because everything was given to it. But it needed to grow. You too are growing just like a seed and everything is coming to you and into your experience. So you can become everything that you were meant to become and have and, and know and through many, many, many, many lifetimes. So those, you know, how do you tell who's a twin flame and who's a karmic relationship? Right? We kind of touched on this karmic relationships will have have more ups and downs more, more tumultuous feelings. Here's the biggest point though, that I learned in my own experience, you will be much more in your head than in your heart. You'll be wondering questioning worrying that I'm getting this right. When is it going to call? Am I gonna bump into him? Am I gonna see him and it's thoughts. It's lots and lots and lots of thoughts. Once I met Steve, my twin flame. I I never thought or worried or anything people wondered, you know, like, Oh, he's been single for 18 years, people would ask me their doubting questions. Have you got four kids? He doesn't have any kids. Is this gonna work out? And I'm like, Well, yeah, I never I was like, oh, but apparently you don't think it will so whatsoever. What's your hang up? You know, like, but I don't get that feeling I know that this is perfect. And then others would say, well, so it's a Friday night and you're with your kids, and he's hanging out at his house like, don't you think he's maybe gonna go out? And he'll be lonely? I'm like, No, he's not lonely. He's not lonely at all. Like, oh, that's weird. And I would think how, you know, I'd find their questions. So strange, because I had no doubts anymore. It was just oh, now they're such a centered, balanced feeling, no question. And I was just always in a state of peace. And so you think that's more of a twin flame energy, as opposed to lots of conversations about? Oh, it must be my twin flame, because just like that one couple sharing circles, like, Oh, you must be my change lane. Because this is hard. And you're bringing out the worst in me and twin flames or Amir? And so naturally, you would have difficult things. There's what I would say is, yeah, what I would say is that, if that's happening, and someone's on their on their twin flame journey, they're just somewhere on their journey where they haven't found their center yet. And when you're not in center, you can get knocked off balance, so easy, right? And, and, because we're all on a journey of consciousness, and so to say, this is twin flame, and this is not, it's just that, where I started with this podcast, if the thought, do I have a twin flame, their twin flame for me, and you start looking and you start researching, and you're and you know, and you're finding yourself surrounded by or going to websites, and books, and it's probably part of your journey, because you wouldn't even pull it into your experience into your awareness in less it was more than likely, then anyone who's listening because this will most likely be titled twin flame, you know, if you're not drawn to it, yeah, maybe that's not part of your journey. So most likely, if you're listening, you probably have that as far as it's part of your part of your journey. And one of the things and why we started recording again, I think I was concerned only people with wondering, well, gee, am I with my son to question their relationship? And thinking, Well, how do I know if I'm in the right relationship? Or are starting to question that? And I know we've touched on a little bit, but I wouldn't mind diving a little deeper into that, because the last thing I want to do is make people feel doubtful, especially if they're in a happy, cohesive, beautiful relationship. You know, if they haven't gotten that will, but we don't have telepathy. And I don't know if I've seen synchronicities or these kinds of these kind of things. Will you know this? And I'm not gonna say anything that surprises you, what do you even your podcast can't make anyone feel anything they don't want to feel? So if they choose to go there, they can look at that, like, why am I feeling like I'm not with my person. But where does that come from? Well, it comes from the inside of you, if it's coming from outside of you, then that's something to look at, right and pay attention to it. But only that the individual knows. And those, we have soul partners, you know, soulmates we have karmic relationships, what is a karmic relationship that, well guess what, it's just a relationship that taught you a lot. And, and so those will cycle in and out of you, you know, through all incarnations, you're having many, many, many, many experiences and every perspective of these experiences, and, and I speak from my own experience, in that I've seen a lot of past lifetimes, and I've seen how my ex husband in this lifetime was a child of mine in another lifetime. And I'm sure there's other lifetimes I haven't even seen, you know, maybe he was my parent, I saw how my, my current husband, Dad was his son in another lifetime, but not with me, but with my current husband's first wife in this lifetime. So it goes on and on and on. And you can see like all that that's the the web that we we've all what a beautiful web we weave Well, it's our web, and we've created at all and all of the things that have come from it and so don't feel bad. Look at your relationship with no judgment, say do Am I enjoying this? Do I like this person is my person, she's my person, and I'm going to learn all I can from this, there's no reason to jump ship. Unless there's a reason to jump ship. You know, and then then go. But to you. I had to, to test a really, really deep belief that I had ingrained in me from the religion I was raised in was that once you're married, you're with them forever, that you know, and for me, I couldn't see beyond that time beyond this lifetime. So I was like, was so now it's not a very harmonious really lationship and I'm supposed to stay in this, and I am doing the work I am trying to make harmonious and trying to love him deeper. And finally, one day I realized, I don't think he's receiving the love I'm giving. So this could be like, a long haul, right. And these past lives and other timelines that I've seen taught me a lot of why he couldn't receive the love I was giving. And that's fine. And I it gave me the understanding I needed. And I can love him from afar, and have grace with myself. And that I finally chose out, I caused my divorce, meaning I chose out and I filed for divorce and, and then, four years later, I met this incredible man that it was almost like I experienced two ends, like, gigantic ends to a spectrum. One person I could not get along with in anything, and one who we get along with, it's like, we can read each other's thoughts. So we're not trying, it's it creates a very authentic relationship, like, I'm not gonna hide anything, and nor would I want to, but, you know, it's just interesting, because you just find yourself being like, an open book, when I find sometimes, too, with our programming, that we think that relationships that are easy, like my relationship with Travis is very easy where my previous relationships were not. So it's almost like, wow, what what is this? I didn't know a relationship could look like this. And it sounds like that's what you and C have have. I know that that's what you and Kelly have as well. I mean, it's not like we don't have shit to go through. And, but for me, in my experience, this has been the easiest relationship that I've had, which is quite to your what you're saying. It's like complete opposites, our communications great, the way that he loves me is unlike I've received, you know. And yeah, it's just I mean, I think that a lot of times we romanticize the turmoil, and relationships versus actually love can be easy and grow in a way that doesn't have to be painful. Yeah, it does, in some ways. And I tell you this all the time, I hate looking at myself in my relationship, because that's the most painful growth for me. Anyway, well, I thought this morning, this is my might be fun to add this because it is it's kind of how my mind works. But how do you pronounce Travis's last name? And do you go by it? No. How is it? main m? Eh, n main? Okay. I was curious. Because when I see it, I see mean, like, No, I'm like, Is that how you say it? Or am I saying it wrong? Does it mean me? Yeah. You know, and so I had this funny thought this my I was like, well, that's funny. You got Amanda joy. He got Travis mean. And I was like, well, that's two ends of the spectrum. But that's really what that's what twin flames are there. They're the yin and the yang. And so when people think you're, you're a perfect mirror for each other. You're twins, you You are great mirrors. But oftentimes, we can be so alike. And yet what I've learned with me and Steve, is that our perspectives are completely opposite. So I'm always asking like, because that's how Kelly and I are to tribe and I are similar right now with I'm often spiritual woowoo land and he's in you know, the way just even workwise because we were working together for a while and now it's like, separated and pulled apart. And like I don't know how I feel about this. But it's definitely an opposite from we just didn't where we were at. So that's funny that you said Travis mean, I mean, his middle name something different. But yeah, that's an interesting you know, and then you've got Loveland, like, your name is one of the most beautiful names like I really love it. That's why I went away from it. And then I came back and I'm like, yeah, I'm not gonna change this anymore. It's like, no, yeah, that's my name. Yeah, sticking with it. You know, and that's the one of the funny things that what I do with letters, and you've had a little bit more with it, Jessica, like introduction to it or whatever. But is even that those sounds, those frequencies are always delivering feedback. And, and when I break down my new last name golf, I just for a long time, I was like, Okay, I can't find the hidden meaning here. Like, what is it? What does golf mean? And I knew what smart men that was my previous married name. I even knew what Kirk Kirk Amen. That was church on a hill, you know, and I was like, what's golf? So I finally had to actually take what I see how I see each letter. And see, why did I choose this? because everything's a choice, right? You know, and I came into this relationship and and this is his last name, and it's golf. And I went, Oh, well, gee, is gravity. Oh is the home of the universe. So you actually have heaven and earth. And F stands for fire? So I was like, oh, there's two apps with twin flame. Oh, my goodness. We have a name. That literally means heaven on earth with twin flames. And I went, Oh, that's interesting. You know, that's where we are. And it took me a while to actually see that with my own awareness. And yet it's kind of fun to, to know that. That's what our name vibrationally means is to flames. Oh, I think that that is beautiful. I almost feel like we could just add that 15 minutes into what we just did and have a little longer. Okay? Unless you feel something different. I was just gonna ask one more thing, and maybe this doesn't fit. But so there's people that have children with like your husband, and then you find your twin flame. Yeah. So lots of people like struggle with Why did I have children with this person? Do you know if this is my flame? This? If this is not my flame in this other person? So how would you speak to somebody who I know that there's people that that shows up for them. So this is a really interesting one. Because Yeah, my twin doesn't have any kids. He's actually felt this whole lifetime. He wasn't meant to. He'd known it like it is core. And. And even, we were mentioning Sanok Kumar, earlier and Stephen, these, these sons of God, marry the daughters of the moon. Yeah, we've got the sun in the moon. Well, sons of God were believed to know that they were not create any progeny. And I thought, well, that's interesting, as it was here, Steve, as he's just known at the very core of him not to have any children. And yet, so because of that, as we've grown in consciousness and awareness, he's asked me, Well, what do you think you have kids then this lifetime? Like, you would think, Angie, if we were twins, that you, you would have picked up on that too, and not wanted kids? And I said, No, actually, I don't think that that's how it works. And I said, I have a deep, deep feeling that these kids came through me to get to you, like my two sons look a lot like him. They're very tall. My ex is not very tall. And they're, they're the same complected. And so there's, there's some interesting aspects there. I've got two boys and two girls and my whole life. I've always thought even before I understood the balance thing has been one of balance. So I have girl boy, girl, boy. And then their names Ashley Brady, Amy Brock, AB a be really good at patterns, balancing. And, you know, I always thought that was funny until I realized, Oh, that's what this is all about. It was creating balance. And in my my life path, even because it's not my life path. My expression changed once I got married with the name golf, it went from a nine to an eight, balance, you know, and and Steve's is a path of balance. So now between an expression and path, we have balance there, but with the kids. It's interesting. I've, Steve had questions like, why, why Why? Why do you have kids? And I said, I think that it's karmic relationships that we have to work through together. And he's like, Bull, but that came through and I'm like, No, they came through me, they came through me to get to both of us, not just not just me. And that's where our real work. And he has even met some since like, spiritual mediums and stuff. And that's the one message he gets from them is, you know, like, the only thing left is work you've got to do with these kids. And he's like, Oh, alright, so, you know, and whether it's for the kids or for him or for both probably, you know, or, or what have you. I've watched it. And it's been incredible, because I up to that point, in this lifetime, I'd always attracted even my own dad was very disconnected men, emotionally. And he isn't he can sit in really hard conversations with my kids, you can take their shitstorm without blowing up at them, you know, but if what they need is to, you know, have a divine masculine person come in, he does that too. And so they are having a completely different experience, which I know is helping them see balance within themselves and experience that feeling. So again, I kind of really steer clear of this, right and wrong experience, your experiences your experience, you created it. And that's one of the things that I saw early on in our relationship was got some downloads, and it was like, Oh, my gosh, we created this, we chose how this would show up. We chose this beautiful love story, we chose to be able to see it through our parents and that that's how it would come in. And I I got it all. And I was like, Oh, we create this because we wanted a beautiful love story. So now we have one, you know, but yet everyone has a beautiful love story. And that's really what it's about and doesn't matter where you're at on that progression of those love stories. Right. Well, and I just to echo a little bit of your question and listening to your story. my four children the relationship that they have with Travis. I mean, I think he's more in some ways, especially to some my kids he's more of a dad to my kids than their actual dad is. And I hate to say that, that put that out there but In some ways to what you're saying of what the Divine Masculine actually looks like in the full embodied state of heart, mind everything that would be Travis and what he's able to show for my kids where they're their dad is unable to do that for them and their dad teaches them a lot of things that they get to learn. In this life, that's challenging. But yeah, Travis Travis in want to talk about this more offline, because I'm careful with what I want to say here. But there are things there that that they could have only gotten through Travis at all, if that makes sense. But as you're talking, I'm like, yeah, there's no question with my kids. As far as some there's some interesting parallels. Yeah. So I don't know. It is an interesting question, though. Well, they're just I've seen a lot of that conversation around twin flames and wait, I hadn't children with this person, this is my twin flame, and that people finding confusion. So I just, if you talk to that, right, and then the other thing is after we finished recording, you She said, we talked about the twin flame, not filling your like being hole first. The false flame or the or you think the not like that twin flames not completing me like I'm complete first. You're like, that's what needed to be included podcast. Yeah, we talked about do we didn't talk about that. It was after we finished Really? And then you were like, Oh, this is what we need to talk about. Right? I think so. Yeah. Well, the twin flame doesn't complete you. But because you're nearing completion, you come back into union, that's what it is, I have done, I have completed all that I came here to do I have experienced the fullness of my expression, you know, I've become everything that I needed to become to learn which it wasn't becoming, it's not a having or doing those are very low consciousness, right? It's being. And so when you get to that state, you're much more balanced. It's all of that is happening at in your progression. And because you're progressing. Finally, you get to a place where it's like, now, I'm ready, because I'm not wanting anything outside of myself anymore. I'm not needing anything outside of myself anymore. I'm complete. Well, then it seems like it's more of a natural, it's just a natural thing. instead of forcing, right so listening to all this of, Well, shit, now I gotta go find my twin flame. It's like, No, you actually just keep being you and doing what you're doing. And then that will naturally attract if it hasn't already. Yeah, yeah. You know, in fact, what I share with most people is how do I find it? I go, No, no, you don't find your twin flame. But that's usually the vernacular. That's usually what people say. Right? You need to find my other. my soulmate my twin flame to complete me. Jerry Maguire. Yeah. Oh, yeah, we romanticize this through movies. But even our fairy tales growing out, right, and it's all in there. Because the the true love story is real. It's just the straight as the gate narrows the way and very few find it in each earthly cycle. Well, if you just have to give up a part of you in order to be with the relationship, or you don't have to find this knight in shining armor, and because you're a damals, down below, he doesn't need to give up her family from the ocean have legs and to be with her person, right? Correct. But what I was gonna say is, yeah, you don't have to find them. All you need to do is keep going back into your heart, go to your heart. What do I feel like doing today? Am I following my heart? Does this sound like horrible? Someone wants me to show up at something and I have no desire to be there, then you're not following your heart, you will more likely than anything, because how quantum entanglement works. And I don't think I mentioned this before is what one does, it affects the other it's causing an effect and the same time affecting a cause all the time. So what one does the other one is affected by it and what the other one does the other ones affected by it. So two scriptures, Jesus being understanding quantum entanglement, he said, drawn near and to me and I will join there unto you what he was saying is drawn there into your heart. Because that's where you'll find me on that identity on yourself. Then right, he lands in the middle. And if you draw into your heart, and you go where your heart pulls you, I feel like going swimming today. Well, great, go find a fishing hole or a swimming hole and hop in. And guess what? You're doing what you love. You're in your highest vibration, because it matters to you to do what you love. And you're more likely to find him in those spaces. You know, I, the when I met mine, I was invited to a networking group. And it didn't fit in my schedule. I couldn't I couldn't make it work. I was coaching a company during that time. So I just asked my business partner, you want to go do that? Like I can't. So I'll pass my invitation on to you. And he's like, sure. After six months, he didn't want to be there anymore. And he's like, oh, you're done with that. That company now your slots, open your time slots open. You want to do it. Yeah. He goes well, I figure you like people more like you'd like to talk and I was like, yeah That sounds fun. I'll go. And I found him doing what I loved. I found him in a space where I just was doing me. Yeah. For my own hearts sake. Right. So follow your heart, my love that's going to get you there. If you're thinking in your head, where am I going to find him? How am I going to find him? When am I going to find him? You know, what's the point? You are not ready to find him yet? Do you for a long time or a while? Or whatever it takes? Do you? Yeah, yeah. Beautiful. I love that. Yeah, that's really sure that because that's how Kelly and I similarly found each other interesting when I was 17. But it doesn't matter. You have a tiny new, I was dating. I gotten out of a four year relationship. And I was kind of just going on dates, because I was trying to find myself. And I was dating, loosely, a couple guys. And then I went on a date with this one friend, and he's like, Oh, my gosh, you have to meet my friend who just moved back from Miami. You have to just meet him. He's my best friend. So we go to his house to meet him. And it was just like you are. And knowing actually went back to because now my friend who thinks we're kind of dating more than we are, has introduced me to his friend. And now his friend is like, my person. Like there was just some calling connection that I can't even possibly describe to you at 17. I went back to his house the next day. And I was like, Are you feeling what I'm feeling? And he's like, absolutely. What are we going to do about travel? And I'm like, I don't know. And so we really, it was just like, we were like, well, it'll all work out like it's supposed to. So we didn't push anything. Because we had that friendship was important to both of us. The good news is he was in our wedding. Travis Oh, good. But it is just this like innate knowing and whether or not he's my twin flame. I don't know. We have lots of synchronicities. Right. So connecting the dots and seeing but I'm not perplexed or stressed or like, you know, here, isn't he? It's just okay. This is when my awareness now. Yeah. And so I'm asking the questions and connecting the dots and just trying to I'm not tied to the idea. I'm not triggered by the idea either. Okay, neutral, something to look into. And I think I told you that. When you asked me about how I felt about twin flames, I don't know. I don't know what I don't know, there's something there, but I'm not sure. Yeah. Well, and there's always a push and pull. And I'll just share one example if we've got time of a woman I've been working with overseas. And she, she mentioned to me, I she mentioned a lot of synchronicities. And I said, Well, I'd love to, you know, chat with you then more about this. And, and so we got on a call. And she said yeah, so I was divorced in 2014. And she'd been married to a man from the Middle East. She was European, Caucasian and and so here you had like, Middle Eastern mixing with Caucasian was raised in no religious so she she was willing to like learn all about the Quran, she read it like five times before she married him and still couldn't quite speak the same language not being raised with any of that she thought her best to understand. And then she said, we get divorced, things didn't work out. We had two kids, we get divorced, said, I just was focused on me, I was working on me I was going inward, I was starting to be aware of things that would come up with all kinds of relationships. And so when something would ping me, I would go into it. And I would look at it until I could kind of unravel it and look at it and figure it out. So I knew she was doing the work. She said one day, I just got this strong feeling I had to go to this conference. And she said, I couldn't figure it out. It was like this weird sensation. You got to be there. And she's like, one, I started finding all the reasons why I couldn't be there. You know, I don't really think I want to spend my money on that right now. And that she goes, but there was a deeper knowing of No, you gotta be there. She said, I just leaned into it went to this conference. I show up. And there's a number of people there. And all of a sudden, in the middle of the day, this one gentleman stands up to say something and she's like, my energy just was like, like, Who is that? And he was Middle Eastern. So she's like, at the same time I'm being pulled, which is that magnetic pole. She's being repelled at the same time because of her own judgments of Oh, didn't work out with my last husband that was in Middle Eastern like what why am I being pulled in that direction as I don't want that? Right. And she had all of her own judgments. But so she would get into our reasoning mind and try to reason out of it, but could feel the poll and like why why am I pulled there, you know? And so all week long. She sees him through the press conference and the group's go to lunches and she said, Andrew, the weirdest thing was we people will break off i'd just kind of do my own thing. And I end up at a at a restaurant. And he's there and only empty seat is next to him. So I start sitting next to him a number of times through the week and we get to know each other by the end of the week. We've all a lot of us have exchanged emails, said months go by six months and finally, they reach out to each other. She's like, I just decided I I don't know if it was her or him, but to connect with some of the people that have been at the conference, and they reconnect, and they find out that they live 10 minutes apart walking distance in London. So she's like, we're so close. Like, we should just get together and chat. And she said, I'm still just curious, like not, it wasn't even a deep attraction. That's one thing that a lot of people get with twin flames is that it's got to be this attractive love, you know, right? I'll tell you that much. It's not a lustful attraction. It is an all encompassing, so you're not feeling that? Well, I gotta be with him. And, and like all of these hormones going? Nope, that that's like really not going to be that, that that only that pole, you know. And so she said, we got together. And so she explained to me that living in London, she always tried to walk to work. So she said, Well, when I lived there, I would walk around the corner past this coffee shop past the gym, and then I would arrive at work. And she said, Every, not every day, but quite often she kind of fill a poll Oh, you got to go in and get a coffee. And I said, I have these reasons not to and and then oh, you gotta join this gym. No, I like to run outside. I'm not going to go in and join the gym. And she was getting pulled to both these locations. Well, when she and this gentleman got together, they went and had dinner and he invited her back to his place to sit and visit and stuff and. And she's like, yeah, that's fine. Like, let's go back to your place. And she goes, as we walk there, we walk past the coffee shop. And he goes, they make really good coffee there. It's so good. You should try out their coffee. And she's like, Huh, that's weird. And he goes, it's my favorite coffee joint, you know, coffee place. She goes, huh. And then they walk past the gym. He goes, that's where I work out like that. I love that gym, and that it's so convenient. And then they arrive at his place. And she's like, I realized, really quickly. Every day I was walking to work, I was walking past his coffee shop past his gym past his house and arriving at work every single day. I was passing him. And she's like, my energy was pulling me to the places where I could have bumped into him faster seeing him sooner. But my reasoning mind got in the way. And so it's really just learning to follow your heart. Like if you're walking down the street, and it's like coffee sounds good right now. Oh, no, I shouldn't drink coffee. I already had one this morning that no, go grab the coffee. You know, go get your gas at a new gas station. If you're pulled to it, go do your grocery shopping over here versus your, you know, your normal place? Because Where's your heart pulling you? And it will often be illogical. It's not usually logical. Yeah. So that's sorry, you know, that's a similar story. And, and that's how it works often. Follow your heart for sure. Well, I'm gonna share one more story, and then you can decide. So I had a friend who had been recently divorced, and he just could not be alone. He was just dating and dating, and you will know this person. So I won't share names. And he was just really he didn't want to be alone. He was looking for his person, because he'd been in this 28 year marriage and unhappy, what he would date these girls, and they would break up and he would just find another one. And he's like, I'm just so lonely. He was miserable. There was a lot of misery in these relationships. And so he came to me and he said, I just can't find my person. And I said, I am going to encourage you to stop dating, and go inside. And who were you? And what do you like about yourself instead of trying to find what this quote unquote perfect woman looks like for you. So I said, I'm going to encourage you to do this exercise, I want you to write down all the things that you want in your person. So he did that. And at the top of the paper, he wrote Mrs. Wright, and he wrote this list of all these perfect things. And he didn't date for like three months. And he really, like he'd come to my house for dinner because he just like, I can't be alone. I'm like, Come on over. And he really he was like, so grateful that he disconnected and found himself. And it wasn't necessarily this person was going to fill him when he found himself, right because he was alone for it didn't take long, like he was alone for like three months. He didn't date anyone it about killed him. Then he made this list. And then he ran into this woman who they had known each other off and on for years, but neither one of them were single ever. Until now. They were both single. And so they went on a date. And her name her last name was right. And they and like the list he called me and he's like you're just never gonna believe like she has everything. And then some that I had put in this list and her last name is right. And they're married now happily. And I think that's part of what happens twin flame or not right is you're drawn back to each other. But he became whole first. Yeah, and her story was very similar, just finally alone for a minute and she stepped back to see what and who she wanted to be with. Yeah, and that magnet that they were just drawn to each other right in a way that I mean they known each other often on for years, and it was never, they were never single. And there was never they knew each other. But it wasn't like this lust, right? It wasn't right until it was right. And you know, sure that because I think people are saying, How do I find my person? And I think, you know, you have to be right with self first and then the magnet of that while and happen. It's funny that you say that because I'm I mean, people who know me I'm, I'm a, I would always say, Well, I'm a lover. So I would always I would not spend a lot of time in between relationships. Even when I had shitty relationships, I would just jump to the next one. And after my third marriage was unraveling and going through and another enrollment, I really I'm like, Alright, I'm going three months, without, which was a very long time for me. And in that three months I did, I did a lot of work and I closed doors. And there was interesting things of how they were old. And previous partners were surfacing resurfacing back in and I was closing the store, closing the store. And the day that I closed the door to that fault, flame, whatever you want to call it. Soul remembering. Yeah. Anyway, um, I had that was like my first date with trap and it was 515 13. And he messaged me on because we were on Tinder. That's how we met. I was 1111 when he messaged me, and he didn't. He's not into any like when we first met, he was open to it. But it was like, This wasn't his. Oh, you're old at all? Yeah. So it's funny, but I was doing all my work. And I was like, and I made the list. I did the same thing I went through, this is who I want. This is what I want in a partner. So our first trip that we went together, and he goes through, that's me. That's me. That's me. That's me. Granted, he probably was, you know, sure. Okay, super sure of himself. No, I know, you're like, really, and overstate like we were with. It was a business meeting that I had that went long and it was just super casual. And the guy that was sitting there with my business partner at the time, he later said to her, I wish you would have told me that Amanda was single because I would have been interested but you know, clearly she's in a relationship and, and my event she's like, this is their first date. But we were so grant like, yeah, our satellite was working just for my energy. Yes, yes. Yeah. That's kind of fun. Does it feel right? Yeah. Just fits. And you had a lot of synchronicities there. If people could start looking synchronicities are different than patterns, patterns, reveal karma. Right. And synchronicities start to reveal who you're in sync with. And you're in sync because your vibration literally as you started together, you were at the same vibration of the same creation, if you can wrap your head around that. And that's a real physical, yeah, conversation. Right. But you just said all these synchronicities. You shared synchronicities of that story. Mrs. Wright he married Mrs. Wright, like, haha, that's when the relationship really is like, there's a lot of fire in a way that you're not bringing out the best in each other. Yeah, I mean, it doesn't need to be the heart doesn't it's much more really I'm a believer of if it's right, it's right. And where we're going is that heart centered space. That is emphasis on centered, right, centered and balanced. I know I am. Therefore I draw someone who knows who they are. And now we're not, you know, pulling energy out of each other. We're allowing our vitality and our relationship to grow and blossom and be everything that it ever could be. And it shows up as this beautiful love story. And Steve was the same as you describe Travis like Steve didn't. He understood energy Really? Well, he could feel it. He knew he had a direct connection to it. But I didn't bring up I just on our second date. I did say, oh, we're quantum entangled. And I didn't go any deeper in it. And he's smart guy. So he knew what quantum physics was and stuff like that. But he was like, This is intriguing. And it was about three months. Tell I remember one night we were talking on phone. And it was 1111. And he's like, Oh, it's 1111. And I go home. And he goes, You know what? I haven't seen that a lot lately. Do you see that a lot. And I'm like, yeah, and then I knew it was time. I could tell him I'm like, well, so you know what they say about 1111? He's like now and I said, Well, it's the it's the key code for true twin flames, you know, so at we, you know, we we started to talk more and more and more about it. But yeah, those synchronicities are fun. And you'll see them everywhere. My husband showed up on my porch, the very first date and said, I've been here before and I went, wait, what you mean at this house? And I said, Well, I've lived here for two years. So was it before that? He goes, that was not long before that. He said, I stopped here for a business call. But I've only been to this neck of the woods, like twice ever. He's like so one of them to this house. And I said, that's when I was starting to recognize timelines collapsing, and that is interesting to talk about, but I'm like, Oh, just arrive too soon. You were you knew you would meet me here, but you arrive too soon. And he's like, Oh, that's weird. You know? But those kinds of things happen so well it makes me tie it up, you know the vesica Pisces that you're sharing how the two circles, they're each hole in and of themselves. Yeah. And if you cross over there's the third piece. I think one of the people Randy in the circle, he said, there's three parts to any one plus three, one plus one equals three. And I do believe that I think it's fascinating and the vesica Pisces really describes that perfectly. Yeah, because we're each hole on our own. But together, there's this third energy, right energy and this that we have in this relationship. Yeah. So the relationship itself has its own breathing living. It's an entity, it's Yeah, it is. In and of itself. There's you there's him, and then there's you him. Yep. It's like in religious or Christian terms. I know. It might be another religions, but it's an elokim. It's a dual God, that is man and woman, male and female, you know? And that's what you are. That's so that, if that's how you come back together, that's what you were before you came in. And then you go back, you know, so it's kind of interesting. It's fascinating. Yeah. Oh, beautiful. Oh, I think we probably asked everything that we wanted to ask. And I think this is such a fun conversation. And I'm grateful we left it kind of on a fun note with talking about the synchronicities and the love stories. And because those are beautiful, right? Those are in the heart centered. I think that was such an important thing to bring in with, with the heart centered, being driven by that and listening to the heart space. Yeah. And so thank you again, for for being here. Well, it is that's that heart centered. If I can just add this one last day is I just remembered that like, when we had first met each other, in one of our conversations, I just said, you know, what did you ever think because our parents dated for seven years, you know, they were in love for a long time. And, and then we knew that my mom and his dad were spent the rest of our lives miserable. And I knew why I'm like, they didn't choose love. They chose just the lockstep like checking the boxes. This too. I got to marry. And so ask Steve one time I said, So what was your you know, growing up in a home where your dad was miserable, your mom and dad didn't get along? And me too. I said, What? What was your, you know, thoughts about relationships and love and growing up and he goes, I just from early on, I knew I wanted to be a demonstration of beautiful love someday. And I went, huh. And then he asked me, Well, what about you? And I said, Yeah, my underlying like, always, there would never go away was I was always looking for my version of love. Because I knew my parents that argued and fought and like that's not love. Yeah. And I would look everywhere I went at relationships is that love? But really what I was asking, is that my version of love is that what I call love, and I was checking everything everywhere I went, including my dating life and going now about feeling it now. That's not love. That's not love. That's not love. And I wasn't judging. I was feeling into it. Now this isn't it yet. That's not the connection. I believe I get to half now. Right. And, and so I just found that interesting that we both our entire lives had been on a search for love or being love being the love that we believed is possible. Yeah. And we found it, you know? So hope everyone finds their version. Everyone's deserving of it. That's what I do know. Yes. Thank you for sharing. Yes. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you for joining the conversation today. We hope that something we said sparked your curiosity to further your growth. Only you know what is meant for you. So let's continue the conversation and follow us on our Facebook page at what is personal is universal. We'll see you there.