20. Health & Wellness

In this episode we talk about health and wellness.

In previous episodes we have talked about people finding their individuality and their own personal sovereignty, and it starts with us, then health and wellness is a great place to start!

Jessica shares her life long journey since her brain tumor and thyroid adenoma from her early 20's. Trusting your body and knowing what it needs is a powerful way to stay on course.

Amanda shares her Dad's journey with cancer. It all started with his gall bladder and trusting his body's messages and asking questions to find answers.

We share some of our own health journey's. Both what has worked and what hasn't worked. Where we have been and what direction we are both going now.

We dive into hormones, personal care ranging from baths, to dry brushing, good sleep, supplements, drinking your water and everything in between.

Hope you find some nuggets in this episode that will help you on your own personal journey.

In this episode Jessica shares her recent success and love with Plexus.
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Transcript

Unknown: 0:05

Hi there,

Amanda Loveland: 0:06

we know that what is personal is universal. I am Amanda Loveland.

Jessica Carnesecca: 0:09

And I am Jessica devenish. Welcome to the conversation. Well, hello, hello. Hello. Hello. Welcome to the conversation. I always want to sing there's all sorts of Hello, Lionel Richie on us. Hello, send

Unknown: 0:29

me are you gonna do Adele? Which one was the Lionel Richie

Amanda Loveland: 0:33

version?

Jessica Carnesecca: 0:35

The Lionel Richie version? Well, today we wanted to talk about

Amanda Loveland: 0:38

I'm actually kind of excited. This maybe just because we were talking about other stuff that wasn't

Jessica Carnesecca: 0:44

wasn't happy. And yeah, that was a nice change of change of pace. Well, if we're talking about people find their individuality and their own personal sovereignty, and it starts with us, then I think hormones hormone, yes. is in this came up, because I recently just had my labs done. And I've been on this, like, I've been on this journey for a long time, Amanda, not all women have. But I feel like my journey when I had my brain tumor when I was 21. And ever since then, my hormones, I mean, really, and I had my thyroid have my thyroid out. And five, I mean, I was 22. Wow. So that's a long time. So

Amanda Loveland: 1:22

it's not that you're that old.

Jessica Carnesecca: 1:25

But it's been a little while, it's been a little while. And so I've been on this like, journey of trying to like, live full out. Right. And just because I feel good. I mean, I'm not gonna say that I have the worst story in the planet. I feel good. I feel good.

Amanda Loveland: 1:42

Yeah, I want to feel a part amazing. But part of why you do feel good, though, is you are aware and you do take the effort and you do the things to be healthy, you know,

Jessica Carnesecca: 1:52

for sure. And sometimes, like, I mean, I after my thyroid and all of that, and I had kids and I was running a company. I mean, in 2009 I don't know how many years I had on my company at that time, I had adrenal fatigue. I mean, I just hit the wall. I was like, I was in bad shape. So I think, you know, sometimes we do get so depleted that we have to like hit the ground, you have to hit zero. Yeah, you know, to come back up, and I did I hit, I hit bottom, like I was. Yeah, I wasn't good. So I had adrenal fatigue. And so I kind of started on my whole journey. Once again, you know, ebbs and flows, ups and downs. And so I'm still trying to figure out, I mean, I got my labs back. And anybody I mean, I'm 48. So I'll just for those that don't know it, no doubt anybody that if you're not feeling great, I just encourage you to like, it's okay. to want to feel great. Yeah, and to do your labs, and ask questions. And really just trust your internal guidance system. Because back to when I had my brain tumor. Everything that I was sharing with the doctor, like my labs looked looked great, nothing would indicate that I had a brain tumor. Other than I knew my body, and I pushed and pushed and push that something was off. Something doesn't feel right. You know, the point where the receptionist kind of made me feel like I was a bit of a hypochondriac and that I had.

Amanda Loveland: 3:19

So you were one of those.

Jessica Carnesecca: 3:20

I was I was one of those patients. I mean, I was 21. I had no desire to be a hypochondriac. Right, right. I was planning to get married. Life was great for me, I just, I was tired, I didn't feel good. And I knew I just knew my internal guidance system was talking to me. And I was listening. So I'm grateful that that young age, I had the ability to trust it. And to say, no kidding, Doctor, something's not right. I don't care, all these labs or whatever showing here. Something's not right. And even still today. At this point, I still feel strongly and I push the line with my doctors. They're like, Oh, this is normal range. Okay, but how I feel is more important than that number. And I think that we need to empower ourselves and say, and if you don't, if you aren't going to a doctor that says, okay, your labs are normal, but how do you feel, then you're probably I'm going to, I'm just going to venture out and say that you're not in the right place.

Amanda Loveland: 4:19

You know, my, my dad, when he got when he was sick, he went in, he had had his gallbladder out. And then after, I think it was his gallbladder. I'm 99%. Sure, that's what it was. And after that surgery, he just could not bounce back. So he kept going back to his doctor, and he goes, something else is wrong. And he kept saying and fine, and his doctor did listen to him. And he's like, well, let's run, because they did do the other things and everything was fine. And finally he ran this other tests, he had leukemia.

Jessica Carnesecca: 4:46

So this was the same thing. It's the same thing. I think if you I mean, I have a friend who's going through cancer and she's just always pushing it. She's always going to new doctors and getting new opinions and just trying to educate playdough they look at me like, I'm kind of crazy. But she's like, I just know my body. And I'm, I'm trying all the things,

Amanda Loveland: 5:07

when you look at any kind of knowledge, right, it's like, especially when we're talking about the body and health, it's always evolving and changing. And there's so many different things that are coming in that are a new approach to whatever. So it would make sense that, you know, one doctor is going to have one perspective of what he's, or she's learned, and another is going to have a different. So in some ways, it's a little bit more of a holistic approach of, Okay, let's go find more information, which it sounds like you've kind of done over the years is learn different things and trial by trial and error. And

Jessica Carnesecca: 5:36

there's been times where I've been seeing two doctors at the same time. Yeah, just and they didn't know that. But I just, I was trying to just feel amazing. Yeah. And I was trying to bridge that gap. Yeah. And you know, one doctor, they do a huge thyroid panel, and one doctors just testing one of your d3. And I'm, I really kind of learned that you just have to educate yourself enough to ask the right questions. And the I think the doctors appreciate that, too. In some ways, I've never been, I've never felt from any of my doctors that they didn't appreciate that I had some knowledge in asking questions.

Amanda Loveland: 6:10

Yeah, I would agree. And I feel like I mean, my little scare last year was nothing near what a lot of people go through. But it was interesting. Going through that experience, because when something starts happening to your body, and you don't know what's going on, and the levels are coming back, and nothing's really flagging, and but you know, something's wrong, you do start going to the worst case scenarios. And so there's a lot of fear that comes up. And so then naturally you do you lean on the doctor, so that, I mean, that's what they're there for to help you figure out what what was wrong. And I'm just really quickly my story, I'd started bleeding. And it was like, it went from like a little of my normal period to then I just kept bleeding. And it was like, well, that's odd, then bleeding to where I was almost bleeding the entire month. And in my family, that's not a thing. And I'd never had that as an issue. So I started going to do hormone things. And I finally went into do like the little ultrasounds and they're like, yeah, there's some cysts here. And like, it looks like maybe there's a polyp, but we're not really seeing. And, and finally, I go to a gynecologist who I had never It was a PA, and who I'd never gone to. And the irony behind this one, this is kind of a funny personal story. I go in there, and I was working with our psychic friend, oh, Kelly, Kelly. And I was turning on my psychic abilities. And so I was playing with it. And, um, and I go into that meeting with her and a spirit comes in that so freaking loud, I could not hear what the doctor was saying, I'm just not a doctor, whatever she is, I couldn't hear what she was saying. And I had to suffer. And I and I said, this is gonna sound really funny or really odd, but and I told her who I why my trauma and data, data data, and your mom's here. Oh, my God, it ended up being a really beautiful conversation. She was super open to it. But then the beauty in that is that we formed a personal bond. And then she did a pelvic exam. And she's like, How the hell did this last doctor not see this, I had this huge growth in and she just cuts it right there. And I'm like, What the hell? Long story short, it ended up. They called it us. It's a sex cord tumor, which is very rare to have in the uterus. And she calls me it was July 4 weekend, so everything's gonna be closed. And she's like, you have to get into an oncologist ASAP, which scares the shit out of anybody. And so then I went down the path of, like, shock and disbelief and but my body doesn't do I really have cancer, and kind of, and then it takes however many weeks to get into the oncologist and, um, and I end up having a hysterectomy. And everything's totally fine. The funny the interesting thing too, though, and I guess I'll add this in here is I ended up taking time and I wrote a letter to my uterus. I love that so much. You know, I was I all of a sudden, and this was just last year. So here we are in and this is why I swear to God, all of us have had some sort of a personal purge, if you will. And I felt like here I was going in literally clearing out some feminine stuff in my lineage. Like it wasn't just mine, it felt like feminine clearing. And so because of my circles, I am in the middle of this women's circle. That was the most stunning challenging things for me because I'm in the middle and I am moving through all these emotions, because what am I going to do if I really have cancer, I'm going to go to natural like my people that are healers and, and so we did all sorts of things. And one of the women there said when she went through, she wrote a letter to her uterus. And I did and I was shocked at how emotional that was. You know, it was right before my surgery and I did that I actually had asked if I could keep my uterus and it was this big to do so I just let it Let it be but Anyway, was last year. This was just a year ago.

Jessica Carnesecca: 10:03

I had a hysterectomy in 2012. Yeah. Quite a over many years of pain and suffering.

Amanda Loveland: 10:10

Yeah. And I went and did all the research or read all and it was part of the forums and some people it was such a godsend when they finally and I, you know, it's been odd. It I never thought I you know, I was 41 How old am I now? Yeah, 41. You know, I didn't, I didn't think I would be going through hysterectomy at 41. Because it just didn't, you know, wasn't it? So it's just interesting how sometimes these little these health things actually, in my belief system, or help things to also push us to looking at the underlying emotions which you shared with your brain tumor. And I think in that sense, it's a really beautiful thing.

Jessica Carnesecca: 10:47

I was 39

Amanda Loveland: 10:49

Oh, really?

Jessica Carnesecca: 10:49

How interesting. Just did the math, like do so. But I had been through and you know, come to find out afterwards. They're like, you are covered in endometriosis? Which you can't? There's no way to know if you have endometriosis unless I go in. Yeah. And so yeah, they were like, No wonder you

Amanda Loveland: 11:04

didn't feel amazing. While I'm you, didn't you? I felt like you're gonna start telling them. We're at 21. She just kept filling and treating you like you're a hypochondriac. And then you finally he finally goes, Okay, let's go order a MRI.

Jessica Carnesecca: 11:17

And then I have a brain tumor.

Amanda Loveland: 11:19

Yeah, but I thought it was hilarious with what you were telling me earlier. And how she

Jessica Carnesecca: 11:23

Yes. So I was telling Amanda before that. So obviously, there's a brain tumor. Right. And so the neuron, the radiologist can't tell you that. So they're like, you need to go Dr. Jones, who called Dr. Jones office, he as a result, you need to go straight to his office. So

Amanda Loveland: 11:37

right after you had the scan. Oh,

Jessica Carnesecca: 11:39

yeah, I was getting dressed. So and I knew, and I'm gonna tell you this is crazy. I was relieved to have an answer. Oh, of course. My parents, my fiance at the time. They were crying. I was like, Yes. Now I can do that, sir. Because I had just been so miserable for so long, that I just, I had a path. I just needed a path. And he was so we go to the doctor, we walk in you and your freaking timers. Keeps me on track, man, get all my stuff done in my life. Sorry for the Well, we're

Amanda Loveland: 12:14

getting done with the podcast, and it's interrupting the podcast.

Jessica Carnesecca: 12:18

We weren't gonna record to today. Anyway. So I walk into the doctor's office, and the receptionist before I even get into the room so the doctor can tell what's going on. She grabs me and hugs me and starts crying. Like, Oh, no, I'm dead. In my mind, I'm like, this is it. I am dying. And there's something terrible. And I'm dying. Anyway. Yeah, that's was the story I was telling Amanda before is people just yeah, that was dumb on her part. Well, because I didn't even know the news. And here, he knew the news.

Amanda Loveland: 12:47

That is ridiculous. And this was

Jessica Carnesecca: 12:50

in 1994. I mean, the ethics. So yeah, but I think she felt bad because she really had kind of treated me poorly.

Amanda Loveland: 12:59

So it was a very good learning. mom knew her.

Jessica Carnesecca: 13:02

Well, who knows what she really knew. Common, uh, trying to think I'm gonna trust and believe that she knew that she had handled that poorly. And was feeling bad. Oh, my goodness. But yeah, I mean, I'm 21 I'm engaged getting married in like six weeks. Yeah. And now this and I walk in and she hugs me and she's crying before I even like, okay, so fast for now. And the hormone thing. I mean, the hormones are such a huge. goodness sakes. I feel like the last maybe 510 years, this has become more of a, an awareness thing with both men and women, right? It's not just women. Well, but it is fascinating. The amount of people that don't have their hormones, checks and aren't having the conversation. Like I mentioned that they're like, Oh, I never even thought of that. So that's why I felt like it. Well, we used to have the podcast and share because there's nothing wrong with you, man or woman. If you go get your level shut down, whether you're 2535 4555 if you're not feeling 100% we get to feel 100% like I want to feel amazing. I if I if I'm working out and eating all the right things, and I'm trying to lose weight. Nothing's working like okay, what I'm the things off like what off? And so I mean, I just felt like even for me, I know that my hematocrit levels are high. What's the hematocrit level? Yes, what is the hematocrit level Good job. So it's my blood is really thick. So my blood runs really thick. And it's how it travels. So when it gets really high, guess what? I feel sluggish. So I go donate blood regularly, because I feel like it's kind of like an oil change. Because I donate blood and I have more energy.

Amanda Loveland: 14:31

Yeah, that's how trauma says he hasn't done that for a while. So that's a good reminder that

Jessica Carnesecca: 14:35

either but that once my levels are high. Now there's nothing wrong with it being high. I mean, I think 46 is the high and I'm like 47 so it's not dangerous, but it's just one of the things that I know about my body. So besides donating blood, water, I have to drink lots of water. I drink lots of lemon water. And I think it's amazing to me because I also am a health coach with the program optavia and I don't do that as much anymore. But you know, when you find something you like you're sure other people. So I did that just because if I'm teaching other people then I'm holding myself accountable. Right?

Amanda Loveland: 15:08

You had a practice which you bring water.

Jessica Carnesecca: 15:10

It blows my mind, Amanda, how many people don't like water first? Oh, yeah, they don't like it. And he has no flavor. And even people that don't like that, do you like it, they're like, I just get busy. So I think just, if you leave with nothing else today, then drink water. And it used to be, I think, half your body weight in ounces. So if you weigh 100 pounds, you should be drinking 50 ounces of water a day. But I really think the number is just generally around 100 ounces. Even Don't you think? Isn't that

Amanda Loveland: 15:41

what I think even hands on if you're trying to lose weight versus I drink? Did I I drink too much water. So I started this whole health, whatever body program, and I get my big old jug. And I think it's 120 ounces. No, maybe there's only 112. But I was drinking. I mean, I was really being really good with my water intake. And

Unknown: 16:01

I'm like, I'm,

Amanda Loveland: 16:02

I'm freaking doing this program, blah, blah, blah. And I think day. Maybe it was a weekend. I'm like, something doesn't feel right. And I had the thought, can you drink too much water? Sure enough,

Jessica Carnesecca: 16:13

you can. You can. But again, it's awareness of listening to your body, right? our internal guidance system saying hey, I'm doing the things you said. And I'm not.

Amanda Loveland: 16:21

I was waterlogging. Myself, which kind of makes me giggle a little.

Jessica Carnesecca: 16:26

Another thing too, that I've learned about me is I don't like salt, generally, but your body needs salt. How do you know like, I just don't like it. So it's amazing. So my doctor I, every couple days sea salt, like Redmen, sea salt, table salt, sea salt, like just like, I know it sounds to our weapon a little bit in my palm of my hand and I just look at like it. You're like an animal or? Yes. Or I put a little Himalayan salt in my water bottle. Yeah. You know, just because I'd much rather look at it and get it over with. So

Amanda Loveland: 16:57

I will say with your colon however you do need iodized salt. I don't know if you know this. Oh, I didn't know there's a difference between the two. And it's been so long. But I remember

Jessica Carnesecca: 17:06

you probably get enough of that just dinner. Don't you think?

Amanda Loveland: 17:09

Yes and no. So just do your own research with that. But salt. Yes.

Jessica Carnesecca: 17:13

Another thing too is I am a big believer that I like functional medicine or bioidentical medicine. I think that I love my family doctors. And I think they have their place. But from my experience, like even when Kelly had gout in his toe, like years ago, we had gone to a family doctor, and they didn't diagnose it as gout. And he got in he was in so much pain, we would end up going to a foot doctor. Yeah, I think you just need to go to a specialist because we can't be. We can't know all the things sometimes. And so I encourage women and men to go to try a functional medicine doctor. And that just means generally your insurance isn't going to pay for it first of all. And you know, here's the ironic thing might my hormone doctor that I started going two years ago, he was on insurance, and I loved him. Even though he did more bioidentical stuff. He was uninsurance. Well, of course, we all know in this day and age, insurances getting more and more. Like they're just really practicing medicine more than the doctors. And so I quit going to him because he stopped taking insurance because I didn't want to pay it. Yeah. Well, that was a huge mistake for me, because I really kind of had to start all over. And then I've been on this merry go round of trying to find the right doctor. So in my experience, all of the best hormone doctors I have been to over the last 20 years are not uninsurance you pay out of pocket. But that's worth it. I would imagine so worth it. Yeah. And I applaud them because they're not allowing the insurance company to practice medicine because it's really not their place. Right. And it I think that whole system is upside down. But yeah, I I've been to some great ones over, you know, the years I even had a pharmacist. So when I went and picked up my prescriptions, the pharmacist she offered like a it was like a hormone analysis. Oh, and because pharmacists, they mean they're dispersing the medication they know a lot about and I think what she was trying to tell me was, there was some stuff that I was taking, that was a little contradicting each other. So I paid her I think she was like 120 bucks. And I went and sat down with her went through all my meds. And it was fabulous. Even though I was seeing the doctor, I if those kind of things pop up. I was like, I understood the point where I mean, I do this with self empowerment and self improvement anyway, I can never have enough information, you're probably the same way. So I'm like, Oh, I will gladly meet with you. And learn what you learn what you can teach me. Yeah, about what I don't know what I don't know. So like she told me about iodine and solanine for thyroid, which I didn't really know that much about. So I left there with a little more knowledge than I had before. So I liked that too. That's super cool.

Amanda Loveland: 19:51

So you were talking a little bit about because I so I've, I've had little touch of experiences with hormones. I Way back when I used to sell our bond, if anybody knows our bond, and I would go do the lectures on the whole bioidentical hormones and how it's like a key and the lock and lalalala and the creams and then when most people need photo for whatever it is, it's been too long. And then I had my hormones checked and my testosterone low was low. So they give me testosterone, but then it makes me break out and I'm like, screw this. So I just I'm like, I'm, I'm out. But I would have friends over the years that like the pellets, you were talking a little bit about the progesterone that they do in the pelo. No tests on testosterone. Anyway, so what was your experience with the PAL as awful.

Jessica Carnesecca: 20:39

I don't know that it was the pellets that were the problem. It was the facility I was going to they were really pushing the limits. Like they were trying to get women up to like, between 150 and 190. Why? Because they just felt like that's optimal for women. So it took me a long time to get there because my body was really moving slow. So I had gone in one time, they're like, gosh, your body is really resisting.

Amanda Loveland: 21:00

It is asking the question of why is your body resilient, but I'm

Jessica Carnesecca: 21:05

like, okay, you're the professional. I'm going in. We're doing bump this up. And I'm an all in kind of gal, right? I'm ready. Let's go. Are they injecting him in your bum? Yeah. Oh, yeah. So we go she they give me these pellets and Amanda. I was growing hair. I pretty much had a beard. My lady who does waxing she's like, what's happening? You're super hairy. And I'm like, feeling great. I'm feeling great. My libido. testosterones. My energy. I felt great. Until I went to donate blood. The nurses really concerned she's like, Are you feeling okay today, ma'am? Like, yeah, sure. What? Where have you been? Did you have a stressful morning and I might know, like, What's up with you? I just want to have lunch with the client running errands. My, my, my life is stressful. But everything's fine. But I was like, Okay, I'm going to be back. She brings back the charge nurse and they're like, let me take your blood pressure again. And I'm like, what's wrong with these? Let's get this I got stuff to do. Let's move. I was like, 180 over 140 my blood pressure. She's like, we have to defer you. We cannot take your take your blood today. I'm like, Okay, fine. I got stuff to do. I'm out. I go back a week later. I'm ready to donate blood do my part. My medical levels are high. Well, blah, blah. Ma'am. Are you feeling okay? Today? I'm like, What do you people, and my heart rate was really high. It can't be over 100 I was like, 120 Oh, wow. And so they I left? they're terrified. So I called my friend who's a nurse. And I'm like, okay, I don't know much about what I don't know. But I know that stroke is a silent killer and high blood pressure. And she's like, Oh my gosh, she's like, you better just go to the doctor right now. So I went to the family doctor. Now mind you, I've been going to the pellet doctor, right? They don't really communicate much with the doctors. They're not on the same page with that. So I go in and they're like, they run my blood. They AKG like they're doing the whole thing. Because I am Yeah. Scary. And I'm not thinking about testosterone because I'm feeling pretty good. And other than your doctors, like, your testosterone is like 192 I'm like it is right on, we've been trying to get it. Like that is too high. That is too high. And so obviously I'm shaking my head, like the family doctor doesn't know what a doctor knows. So I'm going to just Okay, anyway, I love it. We're going to talk about my testosterone is everything else was my heart, okay, and bla bla bla. So after I left there, I was like, Okay, what is changed, the only thing that had changed was the pellets. So I call the pellet doctor, I'm not going to share names. And they are like telling me that that's not a side effect.

Amanda Loveland: 23:42

All of those things that you're experienced, okay.

Jessica Carnesecca: 23:45

So yeah, I didn't stay there for very long. And I feel like they almost killed me, literally. So then I started with a different doctor. And he's like, yeah, that high blood pressure is a side effect. So I encourage you to again, I should have your body, right. I was just following because we were really trying to get me high. And I was feeling really great energy. You know,

Amanda Loveland: 24:06

they're trying to get you high.

Jessica Carnesecca: 24:09

High on testosterone, and he was not complaining. My testosterone was very happy. Yeah, so that got really high. So then I moved to creams, testosterone creams, and I had this weird, so it's hard to take you just forget, right? It's at night before you go to bed. You're supposed to rub it like yeah, on the inside of your wrists or wherever you are on your inner thighs. And I had just kind of forgotten. So the prescription itself had just expired. So I had started getting a rash. I couldn't figure out why I was getting rash on the inside of my wrist. Quickly realizing that's where my testosterone goes. Yeah. So I got a new prescription and it was still happening and my body was rejecting the testosterone. So now I haven't been taking testosterone for about a year and a half. Oh, yeah. And so I did my bloodwork yesterday with a new doctor and they're like your testosterone. So I'm like, Yeah, well, that's Yeah. Because you know, we don't even want to go there. So she wanted me to do shots or cream. And Amanda last night I'm like, I don't I got to fill into it to decide if you want to go down this route down this path again and what? So I don't know what I'm going to do with the testosterone. But

Amanda Loveland: 25:23

how the testosterone when I told you when I took it for an I did supplement like a pill form as supplement. I did not like it. Like I don't give a shit. If my libido was higher. I am breaking out I have.

Jessica Carnesecca: 25:36

Here's the crazy part. It's just low when it gives me some energy. So but there's other ways to get energy like registerone. I am a fan of taking progesterone it is it's called the happy Yeah, the happy pill. Yeah. And it does help you sleep. But see right now I've been taking sustained release progesterone. And so at 10am. Sometimes I'm kind of getting a crash, which usually happens in the afternoon, but it's happening in the morning. So this new doctors like well, maybe this sustained release is staying in your system a bit longer, which is why you're you're sleeping good. Right. But But now you're really tired. So we're going to move me to immediate release progesterone, again, it's just refining a tiny Yeah, and just kind of testing out what works and estrogen master genes low. So we're going to do something there. But I think it's just like, so you like this new doctor? I do like this new doctor. Why?

Amanda Loveland: 26:28

How do they do things?

Jessica Carnesecca: 26:28

They'll do they do? So you pay like a yearly, like 1700 bucks for the year. And then you pay for your own labs. But she's texting me like yesterday, she texts me all day. Not all day. But after our conversation, she texts me some information, last few questions. And I felt like the personal touch is really important. Yeah, no kidding. So you pay you you sign a contract for the first year. And then after that you don't have to you just pay monthly, but I think they really dial it in and they really want to know what's going on. So I think I told you I started on this other program. It's plant based medicine.

Amanda Loveland: 27:05

And it's all about gut health. Because on this journey, so not hormones, we're talking. And I'm going to ask you, what's the name of it? Because I know you're hesitant to say it, but what is it?

Jessica Carnesecca: 27:15

Well, the name of it is plexus. Okay. So people have probably heard of Dr. Kagan. So I started doing the pink drink. And I so back up a little bit. I just know, I do know that your gut health, it's like, your gut is like your center biome is right, like your inflammation. I mean, 90% of that is like,

Amanda Loveland: 27:36

well, if you're if your gut health is in check, you can't absorb nutrients.

Jessica Carnesecca: 27:40

For sure it will be yesterday to this has never been done on a blood test, which is another reason why I like this doctor. My body's not absorbing B, vitamin D. So that could be another reason why it may be I am feeling a little tired. Yeah. So again, we're just dialing it in, like I'm fine tuning like, I want to feel amazing. And I told the doctor that she knew my goals going in what they were and so it's just kind of dialing that in a little bit, right? She's like, yeah, your body's not absorbing. And here's the other thing, I highly, highly encourage women to take 10,000 I use a vitamin D,

Amanda Loveland: 28:14

especially I take vitamin D every day,

Jessica Carnesecca: 28:16

but my vitamin D is always been high. And I just recently changed brands for whatever reason. Yeah, and my vitamin D is low. Oh, is that so it's good to go, I need to go back on the brand that I was at before. So again, it's just dialing in what I need. So my, my B vitamins, my body's not absorbing them. And my D vitamin, I shouldn't have changed brands. So it's these little things that I just need to change up so that I can want to feeling amazing.

Amanda Loveland: 28:41

And I feel like too, one of the things that's been helpful for me because my husband has Lyme disease. So he went through this whole protocol, he has his pills that he takes every day. It's his cocktail that he takes every day, and he was taking niacin, and one day he freaks out because his whole body if you don't think about nice, and it opens up the blood capillaries, and he had a full head to toe rash, like his face was bright red. I mean, it was freaky, not knowing that that's what he had an had too much niacin in his body. And like anything that we take, it can build up. And so I feel like I really lean on muscle testing. Yeah, so I will muscle test every day. And if you don't know how to muscle test, you can Google it and you can do all sorts of things. And I do the rocking version, I'll stand and I'll connect you know when I do my thing, and I'll actually go with my hand through my vitamins and I'll muscle test and it's like okay, oh, I don't need anything today. Great. I do need this great. And that's not necessarily the case with with hormones, but I feel like in general, vitamin D. Vitamin D is just great for overall immunity like you know, with with everything that's happening

Jessica Carnesecca: 29:44

in natural anti depressant too, especially in Utah, where in the winter you have any sun. Yep,

Amanda Loveland: 29:49

yeah, so that's just something for me that I feel like has been really helpful over the years so that we don't have that buildup because sometimes and we go our bodies cycle naturally with a uterus or without a uterus. Go through, go through cycles,

Jessica Carnesecca: 30:04

right? So I am a big believer in vitamin D. Salt. I was talking about gut health. I think the inflammation is a big deal too. Oh, yeah. Lyme disease and you know, any kind of inflammation like, I was talking to a friend the other day, and she'd never even heard of like candida overgrowth. Oh, what? So I think she'd been living under a rock. Yeah. So I was kind of shocked by that. So that's another reason why I was like, we really need to talk about hormones. And people need to understand that your gut really is like, such an important part of, well, it's a big part of health, self care to really like, it's not just taking a bath, or

Amanda Loveland: 30:40

you know what, let's talk about bass for a minute. I know this is gonna sound weird, this is probably going to be more of a women, if you're a man, I'm apologizing in advance for the conversation I'm about to have. But after I went through my hysterectomy, you know, you have to go however many weeks that having sex and and then you know, you start having sex and I start bleeding again. And which freaks me out. So I go in, and I have a yeast infection, I never get yeast infections. While throughout the I mean, I used to way back when I don't know if any of you know this, but if you take bands that have different kinds of either oils, or any kind of give you two big time, and I am a bath lover, so I always have to be very careful with what I put in. In my bath. I'm just always aware of that same thing with my body wash. I have unscented stuff when I for my body wash so that I'm not putting whatever you know, and creating any quite an imbalance because that's part. It's that whole biome in general with all that area down there. And apple cider vinegar is something that's really really good. If you do start getting ill burned like a mother, when you start getting something going on down there that you can actually put like on a cotton swab. And apple cider vinegar is also really good for rashes and things like that just produce digests.

Jessica Carnesecca: 31:52

And although it takes you can get it in a capsule though, too, but they do say don't chug it straight because it's bad for your teeth. You should mix it with water and yeah, they should brush your teeth right after head check. Another thing too if you get yeast infections, like maybe you're maybe you're taking too much of a probiotic. Ah, yeah, that to

Amanda Loveland: 32:07

see this, and this is what gets I think sometimes we get really I know for me, you get so tired, because it's like I'm either over I'm under and trying to figure out that happy medium. And this is where this is why I like muscle testing. Like, okay, something's off or let me just feel what what needs to be taken today. Like I see TMI. I feel like I'm getting a yeast infection. I'm like, I'm not eating sugar right now. And I'm not so I got to figure out what's going on. But it's just all the little things that we're constantly doing the same balance, for sure. For sure. I

Jessica Carnesecca: 32:40

mean, even let's just talk about pooping. I really think you should put at least once a day, at least once a day, two to three times a day. If you're really and the way your poop is. And you know people I'm just gonna say diarrhea is a form of constipation. Yes, people are like, Oh, I'm not. I'm good. I mostly have diarrhea. No, that's a probe that is a problem. That is a form of conservation in some fiber. Yeah, fiber, ginger. I mean, I'm also like a doTERRA wrist as people would say I love doTERRA oils. That's my there's lots of oils. I choose doTERRA so I like digestion. Yeah, peppermint. Yeah. I mean digestion is just unique to doTERRA but I know that like peppermint, lavender, cinnamon all those are really digging

Amanda Loveland: 33:26

the oils from Holly always tout them all the purify I really like their oils. There's something very unique and a little higher potency and then they have and so I've started transitioning over to their oil so nice.

Jessica Carnesecca: 33:40

Yeah, I think that those are oils in and of themselves are great. Magnesium Yep. is important for just like regular bowels. Another also will help mag. migraines. Magnesium well, interesting. Okay, yeah, I didn't know that. I know a friend who takes aloe and that keeps her oh yeah do you regulate that? dry brushing

Amanda Loveland: 34:05

yes I dry brush every day. I bought

Jessica Carnesecca: 34:07

my girls dry brushing for like Christmas and a stocking stuffer they're like what is this like? Well, I know I have this brush good for your dream But yeah, it's good for like your lymphatic lymphatic system and renal. So I women that I've never really known about drybrushing that's only something I've learned the last few years. Yeah, but drybrushing before you get in the shower and just keep that circulation. Good for cellulite to Yes. least that's what I've been told. You know, they say grapefruit oil is good for cellulite tonight in your bath. Yeah. So that'd be good. I just know that supplements are important too, because I don't know that we really can get all the vitamins we need from our food, as well as the way food sources of

Amanda Loveland: 34:48

you're not buying organic and then that I 100% agree.

Jessica Carnesecca: 34:51

Well, sometimes even organic depending on where I'm getting it from. you'll wonder to like, I don't know, I mean, look at chicken. Organic, I'm pretty sure a chicken that's the size of this piece of paper, a chicken breast. There's something going in there. That's not organic, right? You're like, yeah, so I just think that now you're getting your organic chicken from that, that I want to know, because dairy has hormones to, in in me also my animals. Yeah, so then you're taking on hormones from other and I'm a meat eater, trust me, I'm not saying don't eat meat. I just think it's knowledge. Right, right.

Amanda Loveland: 35:26

information. And everyone is wired really differently. It's funny because I just I had my hair done this morning. So I just had this conversation with my hairstylist. And because her her she's been paying attention, and she's like, it's so weird lately, I'm just getting the different pings. Like it felt like to stop eating so much beans. So we just talk she's trying to get pregnant, too. And so she's just been a lot more intuitive with with what our body's asking. And so we started having a conversation about this exact thing. Well, when you eat another animal or dairy, you're consuming their hormones. And actually, I mean, we I used to be vegan, so we could have a whole conversation.

Jessica Carnesecca: 36:01

Do you don't know that? And I didn't know that. Yeah,

Amanda Loveland: 36:03

that's, that's a long, but the reason why I'll say this part. Um, when my dad passed away, there was a cluster, a here in Alpine that had a people that had died around the same time, and just really bizarre. So I started doing research on it. And one of the books that I read was called The China Study. And all just very, very, very, this is a huge book, very condensed version, essentially, the scientists could control cancer in mice, depending on how much animal protein they were being given. And I think it was less I can't remember the percentage, I'm not gonna say what it is because I don't remember what it was. But it's definitely not what we are doing now. like ours is on the very high, high end. So yeah, that was fascinating. And he could if, if a rat or a mouse had cancer, he could eradicate it by decreasing the animal protein that they were consuming. Wow. Yeah, so that's partly that and skinny bitch and is all about vegan. Like, I just was diving into these books. And it's like, that resonated with me and, and then I got pregnant and I craved beef.

Jessica Carnesecca: 37:08

Funny sound like, spoiled with our beef, because ours is all like organic, literally, like we get it from our friend who raises cows. I mean, these, these cows live the life like they're, they're living the life, you know, they're grass fed or not tortured at all, like, so we we do you eat a lot of meat, because but I love chicken too.

Amanda Loveland: 37:27

You know, I had I tested positive for an allergy to chicken. I wanted. I mean, it was probably a couple years ago. And what I've noticed with my body, and this is the same for anybody. If we're constantly eating eggs every single day for a whole year, our body will eventually start saying Hey, could you stop doing that? Yeah. And will, it just won't, it's not in alignment for anymore. And so this is the thing that you know, having like, I'm just gonna quote little Mormon scripture here for a minute, but you know, eat food in this this season. They're up kind of thing. I do think this is where we intuitive eating and being attentive to what our bodies are asking for needing. I think it's important. Oh, for sure. I

Jessica Carnesecca: 38:05

mean, my uncle, he would have a piece of bacon and egg and steak like every day of his life. And his heart. I mean, he was fine. My dad on the other hand, like he eats, he's the cleanest eating guy, but like his cholesterol and all that gets high. So it's so interesting. So we can eat the same thing and have a totally different experience.

Amanda Loveland: 38:24

Yeah, there was the thing about this oldest, the oldest lady, I can't remember how old she was talking about her way of living. She smoked until she was a she, you know, and it's always so mind boggling. But again, this just goes back to the uniqueness of who we are and, and knowing your body, right?

Jessica Carnesecca: 38:40

Yeah, what your body likes and doesn't like, you know,

Amanda Loveland: 38:42

and I feel like I'm gonna offer this in here. I feel for me, I'm currently doing a body program. And that's about mastering mastering the body because like I studied, I was going into holistic nutrition. I was really really into cleansing twice a year like I was really healthy. And then when I went through my divorce and running a business like that just kind of went out the window. And it had been so long that it's like now we have all the carnivore whatever all the Paleo diets in the Mediterranean and this feeling keto and all the things and it was like I didn't, I got to a point where I would I knew I needed to lose weight because I had put on more weight than I had been in a long time and I didn't know where to start. Yeah, because there was so much information out there that this is why I ended up doing ultimately I ended up doing this program with Michelle but that and I'm like ready to master this this part. So it was good to be it's been good to be on a regimen and then it's like I'll shift back into doing intuitive eating when I'm back at we're you know, kind of more of that neutral point to where it's like okay, then I can feel into it.

Jessica Carnesecca: 39:46

But when for me like I agree with you, I'm at this point where I'm like, Okay, what is what is next for me here, right and although optive e is great, and I lost weight on optavia I still feel like it goes back to gut health and inflammation and there's something more and so I had heard about the pain Don't drink. And, and I hesitated even share the name of the game because you know, I'm a distributor for them now, right, obviously because it's working for me. Yeah. I mean, I can't even tell you like the inflammation in my face. I told you

Amanda Loveland: 40:11

I saw there, I'm like, Hey, you look like you lost weight. And it's just in a few days, I increase some of the evening stuff that has high omega fat omega threes. And I'm like, wow, I can feel like my love handles my stomach, my face, like the bloating, the swelling, I can already tell a difference and it hasn't even been a week. So I don't know much about it. So you know what we are gonna post let's post the website, just put your freakin link and nobody's gonna care. Here's the thing about direct sales companies, Utah's been inundated with direct sell. So a lot of times the MLM we get turned off by it. When I had my clothing business and I was shifting into I really wanted to create, we were rebranding, retooling some things we were going into self love and self empowerment, doing affirmations on the inside of that clothing. And I knew, I knew that it got to be a direct sales company, which was challenging for me to digest. But if I want to create an environment where I'm empowering people, not just through my product, but actually empowering them to have a better way of living, why would I not do it through an MLM they get just

Jessica Carnesecca: 41:14

Well, if I like something, and I tell you that I bought at a target. That's fine, right? So what's the difference? If I like something, and I'm a distributor for this company? Yeah. And your friend might make about I think

Amanda Loveland: 41:24

buying I mean, I think part of the tainted ness is the the pushiness of some people that do MLM I invite

Jessica Carnesecca: 41:30

you over for a barbecue and then all of a sudden, I'm giving a family join my business, you're not gonna be very happy.

Amanda Loveland: 41:36

Is it just my or I am getting approached by so many people on social media. Oh, you are? Oh my god. I'm like, okay,

Jessica Carnesecca: 41:43

I haven't been having that experience.

Amanda Loveland: 41:45

But um, anyway, so I just wanted to I know you're hesitant to share it just because I think there's a negative Well, yeah, I don't want people to think I'm sharing this, we decided to talk about hormones because of, it's not that just because you are not that personality, nobody's gonna think that. We're just going to post your link, because this is something that, you know, I'll probably go grab some if this really works. And while I'm on it,

Jessica Carnesecca: 42:05

I will I have my friend who had kind of told me about it. She was scheduled to have thyroid surgery. She had hypothyroidism. Her levels were out of whack. She had she was diagnosed with graves disease. This was not even a few months ago. Yeah, she was scheduled to have surgery on August 17. And she started this regimen in February Oh, really, just because of her own gut health and had nothing to do with what she thought was thyroid. So the doctor, she goes into get her bloodwork the day before her surgery, right? Like you normally do, right? The doctor calls and says, What have you been doing? We're canceling your thyroid surgery. Are you kidding? And you no longer have graves disease? why she's like, what? And so he's like, I don't know what you've been doing. But whatever you're doing your thyroid levels are amazing. And it's working for you. So what's

Amanda Loveland: 42:52

his What's in it? What is it?

Jessica Carnesecca: 42:56

I don't know, I'm still learning, I don't know

Amanda Loveland: 42:58

all the things. So at some cocktail that helps with the biome with with inflammation, okay, because inflammation actually, if you do any kind of research on any disease, inflammation is the number one. If you have inflammation, it is a breeding ground for any disease, for sure. And I don't know why this keeps coming. So I'm just going to share it

Jessica Carnesecca: 43:18

because your digestion is like so important.

Amanda Loveland: 43:20

Well, and if you're not able to digest certain things, and your body is working on the inflammation, I mean, this can go into the whole alkalized water versus I mean, there's so many different things out there. And if you ever Are you someone I'm just gonna put this out there. Have you ever when it rains and you can smell the minerals on the road and you like it, you it you crave it. Have you ever done that? Oh, I used to all the time. I learned it's because you're low in minerals. Interesting. Yeah. And I'm like I would all this smell even I love sagebrush in the rain, but I've never not sagebrush it is it's the rocks and like the concrete the sidewalk really I remember as a kid like saying to my friend after it was a summer storm, and I'm like, Oh my gosh, I just I want to lick the sidewalk. Like whatever that smell is I wanted in my body. I know that's so weird. But it there are people that would would voice what I'm saying go Yes.

Jessica Carnesecca: 44:14

If you need minerals. I've never shared a lot of minerals. Amanda knows. Well, you mentioned Lyme disease, too. In one of the videos that the upline does, she talks about how Lyme disease right, that's it. I'm

Amanda Loveland: 44:25

getting on on buying the stuff right now I'm sold.

Jessica Carnesecca: 44:28

Here's something else too. You had talked about stress before, like with your business and stuff. I think stress levels is such an important part of our hormones, because 100% I mean, there was one doctor that I'd gone to for years and he he had a sheet that you'd fill out every time and you'd ask about how you're sleeping, which let's just talk about that for a second. Sleep is so critical. You could be doing eating all the right foods, doing all the exercise thing. But if you're not eating a good restful sleep to at least six to eight hours a night, I think you're doing yourself a disservice. So side note, but anyway at the bottom He would put on a scale from one to 10. What's your stress level? And every single time I would put 10 Plus, Oh, are you serious? Because that's just my wife at the time raising five kids and we had gone through, you know, in the business and sorry much, but I wasn't. It wasn't I didn't think it was a bad thing. That was just my life. Yeah. And he was just like, we got to get this number. I'm like, it's fine. He's like, it's not fine. If exactly everything. So you gotta, you know, are you lacking fun? I'm like, No, I'm, I'm always busy. So maybe just the buisiness I felt like, maybe I was equating busy with stressful. So I think, but he really helped me kind of like, Okay, you got to find a release. If you are feeling that stress all the time. Like, what are you doing? to like, find that release? Yeah. So I encourage people to like really ask themselves, what is your stress level on a one to 10? Well, you know, how can you How can you adjust it? How can you turn down the volume on one thing? And are you really like what can you delegate to someone else? What can you ask for help with? No, what can you really like let go?

Amanda Loveland: 46:03

Well, if you're asking your your inner body, your cells, your hormones, everything to be in balance, then your outer self that out what's happening in your outer environment, work, kids, whatever needs to also be in balance, because like attracts, like, the inside attract, you know, is reflective of the outside and vice versa. So if you're trying to have balance on the inside, you need to have balance on the outside.

Jessica Carnesecca: 46:27

For sure. For sure. I believe that is so true. And that comes like self love. You know, like I said about eating well, but are you exercising like are you showing up for yourself? You're

Amanda Loveland: 46:37

drinking water could be a form of self love, and compassion and grace for yourself like you would your best friend. And the consistency. I feel like that is something that before he said, yes, this program, I knew that if I was gonna say, Yes, I had to be all in like, there was no I knew that. And the consistency of Can I show up for myself every day, even though I don't feel like it. And like that, that is a form of self level. A lot of times we I, especially with eating like, Oh, well, I had a really hard day. So I'm I'm going to reward myself with nachos tonight. And that felt like self love. And in reality, that was for the short term that made me feel really good in the moment because I really liked I love nachos. Well, Joe's but not not even 10 minutes, but a week or a month, like is that accomplishing what I want in the long run? And you know, and those are the questions that I started asking. Okay, yeah, I'm tired right now. But if I'm wanting to get here, is this am I showing up for myself right now?

Jessica Carnesecca: 47:33

Well, that kind of goes back to all of this is great. But what is your WHY? Right? Like it is all about mindset. Yeah, there's one thing I really liked about Octavia and I still do is it's all about the trilogy, mind body soul. It's not just about what you're putting in your body, like I can give you the right things to eat great. Yeah, but is your mindset there. And they have tons of mindset coaching and teaching, which is totally in line with who I am, right, which is why I was drawn to the program. But I think that's my favorite thing is all about your way. So like the doctor asked me this new Doctor, tell me what your goals are. What's your Why? Why are you here? Why are you here? And what are you looking to do? Right? And for me it was I want to lose some weight. And most importantly, I want to I want to feel amazing. I feel good. I feel probably like a seven or eight. I want to feel like a 20

Amanda Loveland: 48:18

while and really at the end of the day. I think everyone can echo. We really are here to experience the honest the amazingness that whatever of everything that we can be will to

Jessica Carnesecca: 48:29

live full out right out full lifeforce energy like me. I want that guy and I'm not afraid to shut that from the rooftop. Yeah. And say i want i want i want it I want amazing and wonderful no can sexy and yes, excited to put to buy that pair of pants or to get dressed for the day. Because how many times I know for me, I don't even want to go to this event because I don't know what I'm going to wear. And maybe that's not a weight thing or don't feel good.

Amanda Loveland: 48:56

Oh, no, I can't tell you how many times I'd be laying on my floor in my closet. Like, I'm not going. I don't know what to wear. I don't feel good in anything. Or Lola. Although the next day I could feel totally fine. That's what's funny. The mindset, it's her mindset. She's so crazy. I feel like that's the same thing with with Michelle. Like, this is why I love her program. It's it's not just the body. It's so much more than the body. For sure.

Jessica Carnesecca: 49:19

Well, in that pleasure. It releases oxytocin also. Right. So finding pleasure, joy, you are feeling stressed.

Amanda Loveland: 49:25

Yeah. And laughter What? Yes.

Jessica Carnesecca: 49:27

It's so important. Yeah. Because that does release endorphins. I mean, what is that movie Legally Blonde? When she says endorphins make you happy? Because she remember exercising endorphins make you happy and happy women don't kill their husbands. Oh,

Amanda Loveland: 49:45

I have not watched that movie forever. That's hilarious.

Jessica Carnesecca: 49:47

Yeah, there's that little anyway, I just thought about that. But there's also another thing that I have found to be really critical for my gut health is trying not to eat three hours before I go to bed. Yeah, because when you're resting, you're sleeping. You're Got is doing one of two things. It's either healing or it's digesting. So if you eat late, because I know lots women that eat late, like, there's just your body's not getting good rest. And I think that's just and that kind of leads me to intermittent fasting, which I don't know much about. But I have kind of started playing with it a little bit where I try not to eat. I fast for what, 16 to 18 hours.

Amanda Loveland: 50:23

I mean, some people will start with 12 and then move up. I did that for a little while. I don't do well on it. I have to eat every three hours. Yeah, my body does better that way, which I was thinking the other day, because I have an grandbaby. And she was going out to eat, I should say, anyway, she's going out to feed her. She's like, I'm trying to go three hours, but she's about two and a half right now. And I was thinking, you know, we come to this world, and we eat every three hours. You know what I mean? And it's like, well, it kind of makes sense that a lot of us are still Hey, my body actually does better if I eat every three hours, smaller meals, you know, throughout the day. Oh, yeah. I'm just

Jessica Carnesecca: 50:59

eat five, six meals a day, every two to three hours. Yeah. Yeah. So so and that works, too, because your metabolism. So it really is just about what works for you. And that kind of goes back to routine, right? Whether you have a morning routine, or a night routine and figuring out what works for you. Yeah. And making sure that you're Yeah, paying attention to what your body needs. Mm hmm. A couple things that I that they had kind of shared with me when I saw the doctor yesterday. And I just felt like these are things that you help you age too fast. Right? obesity, we already talked about that heart disease. For me, I mean, whenever it's interesting, like high blood pressure is when it's interesting, though. When I when my blood pressure's high, I know that I gained a little bit of weight. Oh, that's just an indicator for me. That because I checked my blood pressure, especially after that episode of the testosterone. Yeah, I check it every once in a while. And it's interesting, it's higher when I have a little extra weight. And so that is just a reason for me. So the Y might be to lose weight, but really my wife, my heart health, right? Because my heart's working harder now. And I don't want to have to work that hard. So that's really a good indicator of my why. So when I checked my blood pressure, it's kind of a reset for me that, okay, the y is, yeah, I want to get in the pair of pants. But I really want my heart health.

Amanda Loveland: 52:23

I think that's what finally kind of pushed me over I was going through. And I'd always I've always been the set my usual weight for years and years and years, until probably the last five, six years. Now granted, I've gone You know, like all of us, I've had some trauma and my body's reacting because of it. Usually, our body will store extra fat because it's layer protection for whatever the reason is, and I I've had issues with my heart here and there. And I was going through it was right after my surgery with my hysterectomy. And I end up seeing a cardiologist because I'm like something's not right. And I have a hole in my heart, which is fairly common, but most people aren't aware of it, they're the two ventricles actually will have when you're in utero will have an opening. And then before it right before you're born, it closes but not everybody's closes. So what happens they'll do a bubble test where the bubble shouldn't go into the other side of the heart. And like mine, there's tons of bubbles going through. And so years ago, I knew about this because my migraines I have lesions on the brain, this is a whole long thing. This is how they found it because they think there's blood clots that are going through the heart and then going up to the brain and they're just having different things. And I went and got on the scale and like harsh shit, you know, just looking at I'm probably 1520 pounds heavier than I've been most of my life. And my dad, you know, he's like, so what are you doing for like exercise and, and I was doing some things, but not super consistent. And that too, it was just this I can't go, you know, putting band aids on what the real problem is, is I'm overall not healthy. It's like it's time to get time to get my ass in gear

Jessica Carnesecca: 54:02

like this. As a mom, I know my experience and right and running a company. I was not first on the list. I was taking care of everyone but me. Yeah. And that's a lame excuse. I know. But it is that something happened all of a sudden. Yeah. It's funny that you say that because I started a cardiologist in like, 2016 17. And he says to me, you'll be the youngest healthiest person I will see all year. Yeah, let's not get you. And he and it was hard for me to hear. But he said, If you lose 50 pounds, we won't see you again. And that was shocking for me. But I had had that little bit of heart stuff. And it's like, oh my gosh, how humiliating. How? Because I feel like it's such a successful, strong person. And yet how did I allow that to happen to myself, I put myself last on the list, but sometimes those y's are what come in and smack in the face and go,

Amanda Loveland: 54:55

having my dad die young when he worked his ass off and then didn't really get to enjoy it like that day. Probably was one of those. You never know when your time is and you know if there are things that we can do to prevent us dying early, you know, I just had a she's my mom's age, but she just had a heart attack and died just as last week as like holy crap. Death is can be very quick and seven MB and that goes back to just integrity for yourself right

Jessica Carnesecca: 55:20

like being following doing what you say you're going to do to yourself. Yeah, following through like you would your best friend right? I'm far more likely to let myself down before a friend or my spouse or my kids. And that's just a bad. That's bad.

Amanda Loveland: 55:35

But I think that is I think there's a beautiful long I know, and I agree. And I think that is a beautiful place to start. And as we're saying all this conversation, where are you letting yourself down in your life? Where are you not showing up for yourself?

Jessica Carnesecca: 55:47

You know, when I think you know, if you if you aren't sleeping good and you feel bloated or if you have gas or if you're nauseated or IBS, like they're all got, those are all good things. And so I think my overall thing is if you aren't feeling amazing, and you want to feel amazing, like if you feel good and you are fine or feeling good, then it stay there. You probably wouldn't be listening right now.

Amanda Loveland: 56:08

That was again, you

Jessica Carnesecca: 56:08

would have left a long time ago probably. But if you're saying here nor fast, and you know I will share Dr. Steven Cabral. He has a podcast. He's fabulous. Yeah, I know. You tried his seven day cleanse and it was not for you.

Amanda Loveland: 56:20

While my body either is too toxic or something but whole man I got super sick. Yeah.

Jessica Carnesecca: 56:26

So he has like a gut regimen and stuff like that to really love his stuff. And they do and I did the 21 day and it was fine. But then once I got off, I just felt miserable again. Yeah, so that was a long lasting thing for me. But his podcast. I mean, stuff has great people. I know people like Kate and Courtney and those guys love it. But for me, it wasn't great. But he has a great podcast, a wonderful podcast. I mean, I think he has like 4000 episodes. You want to learn about he's got it he knows about it. So I really like to recall anyway, so those are just I felt like something we needed to yeah share with the world today. Why?

Amanda Loveland: 57:09

What is personal want to know about Plexus then? Oh, we're putting messaging up message. No, we're putting your link in the show notes. This is just silly. Okay, yeah, it's fine. Because the thing is, is people are either there if they're wanting it there it is. If not, it's not a big deal. I'm gonna go order some I'm super curious to try it.

Jessica Carnesecca: 57:25

I've really loved it. Like it's making a huge difference in the short period of time and you

Amanda Loveland: 57:29

this is not what you do for a living Good god it's not like you're out trying to promote your business. But

Jessica Carnesecca: 57:35

yeah, you know, if you find something that you like, then like yeah, so there you go. Sweet. Well, and please do us a favor subscribe to our channel share and give us your you Yes, we haven't asked for review for a while. So our asked today is to please go on Apple podcasts and give us a review. a five star review five star review. Somebody gave us a one star review. I'm gonna pretend like they hit by accident. No,

Amanda Loveland: 58:01

that was in the very beginning. And I really do think it was accident because I was accidentally Yeah, Yeah, I think so. Please. That's what

Jessica Carnesecca: 58:07

I'm gonna bully. How can people

Amanda Loveland: 58:09

not like us, Jessica? There's no way

Jessica Carnesecca: 58:15

five star review coming our way.

Amanda Loveland: 58:19

Everyone have such a beautiful day and hopefully something we said inspired.

Jessica Carnesecca: 58:23

Yeah. So it is. It is.

Amanda Loveland: 58:27

Thank you for joining the conversation today. We hope that something we said sparked your curiosity to further your growth.

Jessica Carnesecca: 58:33

Only you know what is meant for you. So let's continue the conversation and follow us on our Facebook page at what is personal is universal. We'll see you there.