22. Psychosomatics conversation with Christy Foster

In today's episode Amanda and Jessica get to sit down and talk with their friend and Psychosomatic Therapist, teacher and mentor Christy Foster. 

Both Amanda and Jessica have experienced great benefits from working with Christy and were grateful to find time in her busy schedule to share her work with  you.  

What is psychosomatics?  Christy explains the first element  is our mental processing.  It has to do with emotional processing in the body, as our bodies hold habitual patterns based on our generations that come from on both sides, mother and father. 

So many great concepts in this conversation. Christy has a big heart and you'll enjoy learning from her.  You can be feel her personal mission comes from her heart to empower and create self-awareness for her students and clients. 

Christy is a therapist and certified  teacher of the Psychosomatic Therapy Process. Her proven system is derived from her 25 years of practical application and education. 

EXCITING ANNOUNCEMENT:  Christy is hosting a psychosomatic training course coming up, beginning October 17, 2021. This only happens a couple times per year. Go to www.christyfoster.co to learn more.

You can also find her on her private Facebook group called Emotional Anatomy, "Listening to the body speak."

Please like, share and subscribe.

Transcript

Amanda Loveland: 0:05

Hi there, we know that what is personal is universal. I am Amanda Loveland.

Jessica Carnesecca: 0:09

And I am Jessica devenish. Welcome to the conversation.

Amanda Loveland: 0:20

Well, welcome Hello. Today just gonna sit down with Christy Foster. I know I'm like I put my hands up when I'm dancing, but nobody can see me, but

Jessica Carnesecca: 0:30

they can feel it in your voice. You're dancing. Yes,

Unknown: 0:32

we can see you.

Amanda Loveland: 0:34

I know. I'm super excited.

Unknown: 0:36

Thank you. I'm excited to be here. I know you

Jessica Carnesecca: 0:38

guys know each other from years past. How do you know each other?

Amanda Loveland: 0:43

We actually got introduced from Val Yeah. Right. And it's because of what you do for work is I came in for a session. And yeah, I feel like we're sort of friends now. I feel like your friend, Amanda, but I night like 98% of the time. I only see when I'm in for a session.

Unknown: 1:00

Yeah. Yes, it's probably cuz I work too much.

Amanda Loveland: 1:05

Well, there's that and yeah, busy, right? Yeah. Yeah,

Unknown: 1:09

it has been really busy. your schedule is packed

Amanda Loveland: 1:12

abs. Now you're a pain in the butt to get into Christie. No,

Unknown: 1:16

I You're so popular that often? Well, I, what that tells me is people need to learn what I do and learn how to do it. Oh, so there's more out and do it. Yeah. So there's more therapists that understand somatic work. So Christy is a psychosomatic therapist. Yep.

Amanda Loveland: 1:35

Can you I did not know what that was, you know, trying to explain to someone what that is like,

Unknown: 1:41

explain. Well, psychosomatic. So the first element of that is our, our mental processing. And the somatic as to do with our emotional processing in the body. And basically, what it is, is we our bodies hold habitual patterns based on our generations that we come from on both sides, mother and father will hear people say, Oh, I just walked like my mom. That's just how we walk and and that habitual pattern over a period of time. What I do with people is show them how that might not be the best thing ever. Because it's it's a lack of awareness in their body. Like even the slumping forward the net going forward, I'm looking at their structure and how they're standing. And what that tells me is emotionally how they're processing. They're guarding right? Yeah, what they're guarding what they're, it's oftentimes seeing blind spots that they're not aware of, and why they might feel misunderstood as well. Because of how they're presenting themselves physically, and even some challenges with making it easy with someone's face shape. And few people feel met I was gonna

Jessica Carnesecca: 3:05

ask about that. Isn't there something about face shape that tells a story

Amanda Loveland: 3:09

Oh, Christy can read your face right now.

Unknown: 3:10

There you all there's a lot about face shape.

Amanda Loveland: 3:15

A whole class around that you did that was amazing.

Unknown: 3:18

Yeah. So in, in faces, the bone structure in our face, is what's called the masculine energy. The soft tissue in our face is feminine. And obviously, the bone structure doesn't change very much. The soft tissue does change. So for example, someone with like your face, Jessica, you have full cheeks. So I would look at that. So your full cheeks, there's more soft tissue in your cheeks, which represents your heart space. So your ability to love and hold space for love and be nurturing is natural within your system. And someone that has more of a bony structure that isn't their natural space. Okay, they have a different gift. And so every every part of us has a gift and a challenge. So your challenge with those lovely cheeks is maybe being taken advantage of for your loving heart to the point that people might manipulate you because they know you'll say yes, or because they are aware that Jessica will do it she you know because she will. Because you love everybody that that kind of becomes a an identity. To to a point and and that's what I would help people see as Yes, this is your gift. And how have you been challenged in that gift of being too loving to the point of manipulation by people who understand that and I'm looking at since you're in front of me, I'm looking at even your you asked her to read it. Your eyebrows, your eyebrows come up quite a bit, you have a really beautiful arch. So that also tells me it said, another piece to you that your heart, the eyes represent the heart chakra in the body. And your heart is always open. And then you have soft cheeks, which tells me you have the capacity for a great amount of love. And people feel safe in your space. And so true. Yeah, right. Yeah. And I would, so I would ask you the question, have you ever felt taken advantage of because of your openness? And

Jessica Carnesecca: 5:42

your answers? Yes. Just make this whole thing about me Go on.

Amanda Loveland: 5:48

Tell me more.

Unknown: 5:50

But that's, that's what I'm looking at, okay. And the face in the face, the the body is an overlay on the face. So every part of the face is also matched in the body energetically through the chakra system. So for example, you're looking at the cheeks, I know that you're going to have a large heart, a capacity to love. And so you may have if I looked at your thoracic area, your chest and your back, some people that can feel taken advantage of in their heart space. So the other day, I'm gonna divert, a gentleman came in to me and he said, I heard right between my shoulder blades, which is the heart chakra. And I first time I'd seen him and he said, I really heard it feels like I'm carrying someone on my back. And that was our enough. That was our conversation. And so when I'm looking at the body, I'm looking at Okay, what, what is the tissue look like? And there was a, our bodies will develop protection. So in his heart chakra, there was protection, and almost, it's a thickness in the tissue. And it's not fat, but it's a heavier, thicker tissue that the body will develop called armoring. And he most absolutely had that across his heart chakra in the back. Well, it's

Jessica Carnesecca: 7:19

interesting, you probably don't remember one of our sessions, you told me that I had quite a bit of like, inflammation over your heart chakra and my back about above my

Amanda Loveland: 7:27

why of shoulders, I have scoliosis, and that curves probably around my heart chakra, I would think yeah. So yeah, yeah. So So what is what would

Jessica Carnesecca: 7:35

be your? I don't know, what's the word? What would you suggest for somebody that has that, like, what's the?

Unknown: 7:41

Well, the first piece is being aware that you have that? First and foremost, and that's sometimes can be a delicate conversation. Because sometimes people's identity to be the most loving and the most giving is their identity. And that gives them value and they're not seen that they might be taken advantage of. So that's kind of a line and a careful conversation. But for you, Jessica, I can use you as an example, I would tell you to be more aware of how you're standing. So sometimes when a person's personality or how they've grown up how their family has grown up, we always help people, that's who we are, I'll hear that language. And then the body will actually start to lean forward, your your weight will come forward on your toes, for example. Okay. And so what I would tell you is to bring your weight back. So what that means when the weight goes forward is you are ready to jump in at any minute, what do you need for me, I'm your woman. And that creates the imbalance in the posture energetically and physically. Because the bodies were not meant to be forward all the time. But because the the pattern, I would call that an archetypal pattern in the system wants to identify with being the one who helps the one who is the most loving. The body follows suit and it will go forward. And so what I would tell you is to come back into your own body.

Jessica Carnesecca: 9:21

I think you talked about how I hold my weight on my feet. Yeah, very first session. I think that's something you do in the very beginning, right? Yes,

Unknown: 9:28

yeah.

Jessica Carnesecca: 9:29

Did you have a stand with our legs apart and just how we naturally would stand and then you proceed to?

Unknown: 9:35

Yeah, I mean, what you're seeing exactly, I'm looking at your patterns and their habitual patterns that show up in the tissue. And that shows up in the structure and how the body looks, how it stands, how your arms are your feet, everything is what we're looking at, in psychosomatics because it's the story of you and the baby beautiful thing about is you can change your story and keep the parts you like. And shift the parts you don't like. And it does have to be changed in the physical flesh because we we are in a body. I think people forget that as important our bodies Oh, yes. Because, you know, there's a lot of spiritual candy and mental candy and people and me included I love that I really do. And what I see in my practice is people completely forget about their bodies. I hear often I just don't think about that I don't I just ignore that if I'll, if I bring up pain in your neck, for example. Yeah, that's been there a long time. I just ignore that. Because it's, and once again, that statement comes from a family system pattern from either mother or father, depending on which one because it isn't sex that that male or female, it's how they were raised, and then you raise your children with the same language. And then the body type follows Exactly. Whatever we're speaking, the body follows.

Jessica Carnesecca: 11:12

So I have a question about that. So we're talking about habitual or family patterns. So if somebody says my friend the other day said, I have irritable bowel syndrome, so does my mom. Yeah. So is that a genetic thing? Or is that a family pattern? Because I know what I think it is, how would you?

Unknown: 11:26

I wouldn't call it a genetic thing. I think you have the tendency, your tendency is higher to get that because you're processing in a similar way to your mother, for example. And often it will be because there's blind spots about your ability to set boundaries. And or, yeah, a lot of being taken advantage of and our guts all about processing, what comes into us let our food coming in. But conversations coming in and trauma coming in, and things that have happened to us. And if we can't assimilate them, receive the nourishment and receive nourishment, and the bowels are the first part to act up, act up, because they are it is our second brain. There's a lot of science behind that. And you figure and my guess is it wouldn't be just her mother, it would be grandmother. Yeah, it will be generations back of all we don't talk about that. We don't do that. That language will be almost a mantra in that family when a difficult conversation is brought up. And usually it's based in trauma, which is a difficult conversation if if you don't perceive that there has been trauma. Do you see how it's such a delicate Dasher? And it's, I think people like to go. Well, let's look it up in the book. And let's see what it says. Which that's okay, too. And there's so much, there's so much more to why someone would have irritable bowel.

Amanda Loveland: 13:05

And when you're referencing looking up in the book, there's all sorts of resources just for people who don't know what you're talking about. There's all sorts of books that go to, I have lower back pain, well, that means you have problems with moving forward in life, or you're having money problems, or Yeah, and here's the mantra to replace it. And there is a time and a purpose for that. But to what you're saying usually it's a deeper seated issue. And you know, with with programming, programming is fascinating. So the language that you're talking about from the ages of two to what is it nine is our most programming that happens with us as children. Yes. So the language from the parents is exactly what you're saying. It is it's fascinating and really cool how our bodies are serving us. So here's the language. Here's how it's serving us that language keeping us safe, and then our bodies come to suit. Yes, they start matching that vibration that language that programming, I think it's it's really quite brilliant.

Unknown: 13:57

It's it's astounding. Yeah, I'm glad you brought that up Amanda about the monitors and looking at up and because that's why I love psychosomatics is because if Jessica say she found a mantra for her back pain, and she said it every single day, and she looked in the mirror and did the whole shebang, because there's a process to that. If her if her physical structure doesn't change, it will not change the pain, right? Because it can't, your your weight is still forward, your neck is still forward, and the body isn't processing what you're telling it to do, because it's still doing what a body does, that does too much. So yes, it helps but you can have another 50% of that help having the body come into alignment with the mantra when we're in alignment structurally as well as emotionally with the mantra. That's really what creates the magic

Amanda Loveland: 15:01

one that reminds me of that saying, I have someone in my life that I've had to deal with for a long time that is great with words, so great with words. And I always have to remind him. Great, that's great that you're saying that, but let's see the action behind it, because that never happens. And so that's what this reminds me of is, he can see things until, you know, every single day, but if your actions aren't supporting what you're saying, like with shifting the bodyweight, yeah, nothing's gonna change.

Unknown: 15:24

Yeah, it can't. That's Yeah, I can't.

Amanda Loveland: 15:29

I know, when I went to your face reading class. It was really interesting, because as with what we do every day, this applies to anybody, and interacting with people, you start noticing different things, people who have narrow eyes have a way of only seeing things. This is what I remember. So if I remember it wrong, you tell me see things a lot more with narrow vision, people that have wider set of eyes are able to see multiple, you know, multiple ways or multiple perspectives. Remember the bushy eyebrows being creative? Yeah, the high cheekbones, like you just talked about with Jessica. And, and it was there was something Oh, the points on the ears. Yeah, as far as being able to hear spirit here, whatever, however you want to, I thought that that was really interesting. So I'm every once around fact, the other day, I was talking to a woman that her eyes were so narrow, and I'm like, Oh, this is really good to know. Because then you would shift your language, your shift what you expect from them, you know, as far as how they're able to process? Yes. And so it's very applicable, you know, not just like this, oh, that was kind of cool. But it's like, oh, this is really useful information.

Unknown: 16:32

It is with every human being. Yeah, absolutely. Because you're going to use it with your children, you're going to use it with your lover, you're going to use it at gatherings, business, in business, because what it creates is an understanding. And I would also say, a lot more compassion. So for example, someone that has close set eyes, and usually their eye, their their eyes look like they're set in that type of person is highly analytical, that type of person. It's very difficult for them to be out and about and social and be involved. And so for you to know that if someone like that is coming into your circle, you're you are going to give them a little bit more breathing room, and probably shift your language to to go well, I'll give you a little bit more time. Because they need more time than you do. If you have great big eyes and you're ready to jump in, like Jessica has that she's not afraid to jump in someone with close that eyes. They're not going to jump in just because you say it's a good idea. They're going to settle in with their system first and go. Penny to let that be with me for a minute. And if you don't know that, you might think they're rude. Or you might think, well, they don't they don't understand what I'm trying to do. No, they're they're doing that how they are put together. Their design is that

Amanda Loveland: 18:00

one even when we did the face splits. So you guys took pictures of our faces, and then we split it so you can see because one side is masculine, one sides feminine, and which side is more dominant? Mine was masculine. So my, I think it's the right side masculine, right?

Unknown: 18:14

Yeah,

Amanda Loveland: 18:15

it's my right sides a lot larger than my left side. And this can change, right? Yes. So you can actually change which one's more dominant. But that was a really, it was really challenged. I hated looking at those spacewalks. It's like cuz you're splicing two sides of your face together. So one looks really narrow and weird. The other one looks really big. And you're like, oh, sometimes,

Unknown: 18:33

sometimes, you can balance Yeah. And sometimes I've seen face splits where you have to really look to find a difference. Yeah. And my guess is too well, for my own face splits. When I first did mine, my masculine was like a square face. And I'm not I don't have a square face, because I was doing too much. And I was probably very much control freak about how I want things to look because of various reasons. But that has changed dramatically. From my first spate face split, and my face has changed, I look at it and I'm like, wow, I'm different. Because the tissue has softened. It's still when I get stressed, like, I'll notice my, I think it's my right eye will clench and my, the whole side of my right face side of my face will pull up. And so when I look in the mirror, I am very aware and pushing too hard, which to me is a really good thing because it becomes so natural for me to push. And for me to step back and have a little more pleasure, a little less working and thinking and more play and love and it's a good barometer of where we're at.

Jessica Carnesecca: 19:48

So do you do these classes often? Yeah, so

Unknown: 19:51

we're starting a new class, and this one's a 10 day. So this 10 day online class starts the 17th of October. You will learn how to read faces, you will learn how to read hands. So our hands very similar. We can look at someone's hands and tell you also how you process where you might be challenged. Oh, for sure you did

Jessica Carnesecca: 20:15

that with me. I was holding my thumbs in and I didn't even realize I had done it. And then there was a whole narrative around why I was doing that. Yeah, you're blowing my mind.

Unknown: 20:25

Yeah, our bodies, every part of our body tells us something. And the fee to learn about the feet. And then psychosomatic diseases, like, irritable bowel? Why is that happening? And then we look like kind of do a case study. So you can understand from various points of view why that might be the case. And so that one's in October, and we'll probably do another I think I'm going to do a little three day online face reading class in November. That's just that. So I will make sure to post that.

Amanda Loveland: 20:58

Yeah, that's good to make sure to add it to the to the show notes.

Unknown: 21:02

Yeah. So you'll be able to do online. Yeah,

Jessica Carnesecca: 21:04

I would love to do that. And then you have your Facebook group is an emotional anatomy, emotional anatomy. Yeah, you're a teacher, too. Don't you teach people cycles? Now?

Amanda Loveland: 21:13

We're at Christie. I want to just talk about your background a little bit, because you're the only one in the United States that has

Unknown: 21:19

just gonna say that you have. Yes, it's from Australia.

Amanda Loveland: 21:23

pretty freaking amazing. Kind of a big deal. Yeah. So I just want to absorb

Jessica Carnesecca: 21:27

teachers. So you're the only one that can tell me more?

Unknown: 21:32

Well, with this Yes. Because I don't know anywhere else that they teach it. I certainly have all the books that I know where it came from. Because I am a super nerd. In my eye. I do want to know where information comes from. I'm not one that goes, Oh, that's great. And do it. I need to know why and how. So I understand that. I've done a lot of homework on where it came from. And a man named Herman Mueller, Mueller was from Australia. And he systematized this process that I'm talking about. Because there is no process. There's many books written about what it means and what it looks like. But Herman actually had downloads about how to put it together, how to teach it to someone that wants to learn, and then incorporate it into their life on a personal level or a professional level. So you're talking about the psychosomatic practitioner kind of Yeah. And a lot of people do it just for their own benefit not to do it as a living, but to implement it in their life, however, that might look for them. So yeah, we've started in June, we did our first online course. And I taught with Linda Thackeray, who's in Australia. And this next one we're teaching, I'm teaching with Linda and Sean Jayco, which love him and Loveland. I feel so fortunate I have to pinch myself sometimes because they're so knowledgeable. And I learned so much from them every time and so the three of us together, we all are very different. And the work is getting exposed, which is really exciting. Because I really believe people need to learn about themselves more and have more compassion for how other people are and learn.

Jessica Carnesecca: 23:25

Yeah. What would you say would be a misconception about psychosomatics? Because I have heard, you know, now that I know about it to my awareness, right, the idea that Yeah, there's a psychosomatic like, I have a psychosomatic disease, which means that it's not real. Like I've created this in my mind these physical elements. Is there a misunderstanding about that? My

Unknown: 23:44

Yes. Yes, because it is real because you do have it. That's Yes. There's many people who get have what I would call somatic payment can't be diagnosed. That's exactly as I have numerous to you. Okay. So I have numerous clients that will come in and say, I usually get the clients that people will say, just go see your I don't know what she does, but she'll help you. I love that because it's, I really love what I do,

Jessica Carnesecca: 24:16

which is why, by the way, Oh, good. Amanda said she's amazing. I said, I love amazing.

Amanda Loveland: 24:21

I mean, here's her number. And then you're like, Oh my gosh, she was totally right. She's,

Jessica Carnesecca: 24:26

she's amazing. Well, it's,

Unknown: 24:29

I see it as amaze, really. So someone comes into me, and if they say, hey Christy, they've done all these tests, nothing's wrong. And they just they'll either want to medicate them because they keep saying what's wrong with me, which I completely disagree with, but they want to medicate them. And or they say, I don't know you need therapy. We don't know what's wrong with you. And so they kind of get passed around and so we have You came in to me and said that Jessica, what I would look at is what's your body telling me? Where is it being held? Is your nervous system? Has it not been regulated for a long time? Often it's based in some threat of trauma, that mode that you're not aware of. and trauma isn't something you can diagnose. But it does show up. Yes. There's so many different things trauma shows up as

Amanda Loveland: 25:29

why was without naming names, someone that I sent to you was surprised that when we chatted, how do I how do I phrase this anyway, it's interesting how sexual trauma actually is held in the body. And one of the ways is the knees going in. So kind of closing down that area, right? Going through the, you know, our private parts and down to the knees. And that was something I had never even thought about naturally, of course, somebody who's had sexual trauma would energetically and then physically follow suit and shut that down. And then the process of opening and just with what you did, there was a lot of healing that she had.

Unknown: 26:07

Well, I I, that's a delicate subject. I

Amanda Loveland: 26:12

know. That's why I'm Well,

Unknown: 26:14

I certainly can talk about it, because I think it's so common when I see it all the time. Yes, if there's been sexual trauma, the even the word trauma, and we hear the word sexual, which obviously as in sexual organs, the lower part of the body, whatever that might be, the body has to respond to outside stimuli. And how it responds usually is contracting. So if something happened, I don't think it matters what age you're the body if it hasn't been addressed? The contraction is still in the tissue,

Amanda Loveland: 26:54

while in this trauma could even look like somebody who's Mormon who has sex when they shouldn't have guilt or whatever, and is not okay to experience pleasure. Yeah, would have trauma show up in the body? Absolutely. Even if there was no rape or molestation or anything like that. Even those experiences just with a Wait, is it okay for me to explain experience pleasure, the body would react? Well?

Unknown: 27:14

Yes. Yes. And I think the bigger picture of that is to ask yourself, Well, how did my parents talk or not talk about sex? What was their perception of pleasure? And I would say the higher percentages will they don't, right? They don't talk about that. We don't do that. Once again, you're talking about tribal systems. So if you come from a tribal system where sexuality is, we don't talk about that there's a little hint of shame and secrecy. If you have premarital sex, like the, what we're talking about, and the tribe says we don't do that. The obvious reaction is I am bad. And it shows up in the energy center of the body, which is the pelvis, which holds shame and guilt, and it contracts. And it contracts in the rectum which is our core level survival area in the body.

Amanda Loveland: 28:13

So I'm just talking about my personal experience because that's something you and I've worked on quite a bit. Now I had sexual I was molested when I was quite young. But that's not what I believe is being held in my body because I've worked on that quite a bit. So my experience with sex and having some different partners had to do with guilt had to do with unhealthy partners, and a lot of different things of Am I safe enough in my body to trust this other person that I'm with that was one of them that I'm still still working through because I haven't been safe with some partners. And I think it's fascinating that when we're talking about this delicate subject of trauma, trauma doesn't always look like being sexually abused. It cannot being in situations to where you don't feel safe, or you have been conditioned that this isn't okay. Or it's not okay to experience pleasure and it's not okay to whatever it is.

Unknown: 29:04

Yeah. And, and so the excavation of yourself. One of the windows or doors is psychosomatics because we become blind to what we get used to. We become blind to our tribal law and tribal system, because that is what we know. And the body doesn't that's the cool part even though our brain goes well that's not my reality. I promise you it is because your body shows me that

Amanda Loveland: 29:36

one is women in our culture, see my brains going gajillion different ways just seeing all the little things that just Are you know, playing out Yeah, in my I remember being kind of chastised by my mother for how long has it been since you've had a baby and you haven't had sex like your house, you need to give your husband sex because if he doesn't get it, he's going to co try and seek it other. So all of a sudden it became so much more of a chore that I was supposed to do as spouse, a dutiful wife that she's supposed to do this or when you're struggling in a relationship and you go to counseling while let's have our date night and date night also includes sex. Yeah, so that shifted into once a week sex night, when we're talking about unhealthy relationships. I mean, there's a lot where even when you don't feel safe use somewhat forced yourself to be in those positions for the sake of trying to better your relationship. And it would night it would of course, show them the bot and

Unknown: 30:27

can you see how week after week after year that that clenching of Oh my god, it's whatever Friday night again, I don't want to do that. Here we go. The the rectum clenches that pelvis around like the gluteal muscles clench that Bagenal. All of the area in the vaginal area is clenched. How often is the question I would ask? Probably most every day, week after week, year after year? Yeah. Because it doesn't know any different. All it knows is Oh, shit Fridays, almost here. Now just so we all are on the same page. This isn't my current situation. This is past. Yeah. Just want to make sure we clarify that Travis is listening going, wait

Amanda Loveland: 31:14

a minute, you better clarified. But it still shows up in my body? Because it's been years of Yeah, you know.

Unknown: 31:22

And it's, it's, it is a really massive process of, of healing those threads of trauma and feeling safe. And then I think it's so important to understand when it comes in. So for example, if you felt that restriction in your pelvis, that would be an indication for you to do a self check. Oh, okay. What do I need to feel safe in my own skin before I do? blank? And so before I have sex, we can say this. Yeah. So what do I need? Right? And my guess is before you didn't, that wasn't part of your tribal system languages. Hey, Amanda, what do you need before you feel comfortable having sex with your husband? That isn't a question that was asked No, no, no. And I would say in most, the higher percentage of relationships that isn't asked, because we're not taught to ask by our mothers because they weren't taught to ask. We're just women. They weren't right. Unless your mother was a therapist. And that's what you talked about. But I would say most people, that's a hard No. Yeah. Yeah, for sure. Yeah.

Amanda Loveland: 32:35

Well, I know something Jessica and I have talked about a little bit is, and you brought this up several times, a lot of people are feeling or their anxieties over the it's off the chart. Yeah,

Unknown: 32:45

yep. So what would you

Amanda Loveland: 32:47

What have you noticed? What are you experienced? Why do you think anxiety? I'm curious about that. Just I'm curious about that. Why do you think anxiety is gone this fight or flight?

Unknown: 32:56

Well, I wrote a post about it last night, did you?

Jessica Carnesecca: 32:59

Interesting.

Unknown: 33:00

There you go. Because this week, I have seen numerous new people, which is kind of people cancelled, and new people came in, and I even saw a few children this week. And the anxiety is a 10. It's not a five, it's a 10. And it's been there for a while. And what I noticed it's, it's been there for a while, like it's been active or it's been, it's been both Okay, dormant in that, I think everyone has a level of that. And when the pandemic hit, we all responded to it. We all did. And some people have more resources than others in that response and how to manage the response of the unknown. And if people don't have a practice, whatever that I call it, a spiritual practice, that doesn't mean a religious practice. If people don't have something where they can do a check in with their own soul, their own body, the anxiety gets worse, and it goes way faster, it becomes a domino and they're not able to regulate because they don't have that grounding piece of what is regulation. And then, and then the snowball starts moving too fast, and they can't stop it. And with the pandemic, that's what I've seen. And then the body, seeing a lot of digestive issues, and constipation, diarrhea, insomnia, all of these things. Well, I haven't had it started and usually it's always I don't like the word always, usually is comes back to when the pandemic hit, because the unknown was so massive ad is. And so in that space that we're in finding resources that help us connect back to and come back into our bodies to know that we're okay and This moment,

Amanda Loveland: 35:01

as I say, this is why, you know, in the spiritual practices we've been hearing and learning and being taught the gift of presence and being completely in the now moment moment, because that's all that's really all we have.

Unknown: 35:12

And that's what freaks people out the most. Amanda. I will I hear often I can't do that scares me too much. totally understand?

Jessica Carnesecca: 35:22

Yes. Really? Yes. It

Unknown: 35:24

requires it requires stopping our distractions

Amanda Loveland: 35:30

and being present with what is and that means What's going on?

Jessica Carnesecca: 35:34

The only moment we have any control over

Unknown: 35:37

Yes. And it's extremely difficult to do that, for people that are not able to regulate. Because you come into that moment, and you're used to being distracted and busy and giving and doing and, and then you come in, you're like, oh, what do I do now? I don't like I don't like this and and then it stops. And the body goes back up, cortisol starts going back in and there's no room for the body to regulate.

Amanda Loveland: 36:06

Do you feel like people who have anxiety, it becomes a programming that starts happening in the neural pathways because of the way, okay, so it's a pattern that ends up being formed in the body becomes addicted to it.

Unknown: 36:20

It's what it knows. And it becomes a safe space. Which sounds really counterintuitive. But it becomes a safe space because the same hormones go out. Every time we tap into whatever that like, if we tap into what will happen if and we then we go down that road. And then we watch YouTube videos to confirm our what would happen. Because we all know there's we never do that ever, ever. And people and so fear comes in our media makes money off fear. Yeah. And I mean, that's just the way it is. But we can find anything to feed our fear. And I wouldn't call it to validate Dr. Joe dispenza is probably the best human that I've ever listened to about what happens in the brain when we are addicted to drama, or we're addicted to fear. Because we get hormones that go off in our brain. And then we go, okay, there's other people who are scared as I am. And or it lets us know, we're still live on some level, even though it doesn't make sense. That's what our system understands. Well, and you become comfortable with it. And you become used to I wouldn't say comfortable. Well, it's what we know.

Amanda Loveland: 37:31

Let me just say, yeah, it's what we know. And so the in that there's comfort, their safety, because it's become our pattern. Yes. And we can agree that we can expect the unknown, right? Yes, when we break that then, and I've shared this example before, I was so grateful, I was reading the habit of let's say, breaking the habit of becoming yourself was our habit. Joe dispenza. Yeah, the habit of breaking. No, we'll find it and put it into breaking. Thank you breaking the habit to be ourselves, I read that it was so great. While I was reading that at the time, I was stepping out of relationship that was very traumatic. And I had such a specific like, such a distinct moment laying in bed, and having this surge of like needing to create drama, and it was flooding my body. And I had this holy shit. That's what this is my body had become so used to I was with a guy that had borderline personality. So I'd become so conditioned to constant drama, especially in the evenings. So as I'm laying in bed, here comes this surge of expecting drama to happen. And so my natural reaction was to follow suit, because here's this feeling, here's this emotion that's coming up. And it was like, oh, okay, let's just move this through. And that felt really uncomfortable, very much. So move it through, sit in the discomfort and then and it passed quick. Like you know, the more I was became aware of that, and to what you were saying before, the first step is becoming aware being conscious,

Unknown: 38:52

which can be super difficult to be aware, and yet empowering. It can be both. I just want to warn people. The caution is, this isn't a magic pill. I would love to say I had one. But I don't. It is a practice that as you become aware, as you engage in your own healing, whatever that is for you, then it changes. Yes, you can become aware and Jessica can tell you, hey, you might want to watch your boundaries so people don't take advantage view and you leave feeling empowered. If you don't or are able to engage in that behavior. in relationships, it doesn't change informations only information until we allow the uncomfortable peace. Like you just said, and know that you're not going to die in that uncomfortableness and that's that's so easy for me to say. extremely challenging to do. And though the more you do it, the easier it be. Oh yeah, I agree. I am a huge Dr. Joe dispenza fan, his series that he did called rewire the brain Gaia. I would recommend that to every human being on the planet because it helps us understand he talks about, like you said, that surge to create drama. He explains the science of why we do that. And so it isn't some airy fairy idea. There's science behind it.

Amanda Loveland: 40:19

Yeah. Yeah. I mean, he has so many things that are just fascinating. The brain is fascinating to me. I love it. I know you do. I do. Oh, fascinating. You know, and this kind of brings up a little interesting thing that's been sitting in my mind lately. And you've mentioned this a few times. And oftentimes, as therapists or healers, we're often dealing with the past, we're dealing with DNA, or lineage pieces, or past life, trauma, whatever it is to what you spoke to earlier. But there's also a future piece that I think that is becoming more in my awareness right now with, how often do we do we create this future event? And we're holding so tied to it that actually, that's part of our problem. Yes, this is part of the issue of what we're experiencing right now. And this is probably part of why the anxiety is so high, too, is, Hey, this is what I was planning. And now all these things are out of my control are coming in. Yeah. And that was something that anyway, that's a whole other story for another day. But, um, something that that was interesting to really pay attention to is how often do we do that? Because we're always talking about our past or past or past or past? Yeah. But what are we putting in the future? That's actually affecting the now? Yeah, and I don't know if that if you're seeing that show up too much in your in your work? Or if you see that very often,

Jessica Carnesecca: 41:34

when people's ability to even plan for the future right now is a little uncertain. Yes, they will, whether it's to travel, yeah. Or to create a business or do something with their family, wouldn't you say?

Unknown: 41:46

Absolutely. Because of the pandemic? Because we don't know, what's gonna happen with travel. Like we didn't know when it came. And so there's all these unknowns, for sure. And I'm going to quote Dr. Joe dispenza. Again, now, because he talks about that very thing, a predictable pass. And then we make that predictable, past or predictable future. Yeah. And to educate ourselves. And I include myself in that as well, if I have the power to shift that, how do I do that. And the beginning of that is starting to realize that that practice every day of slowing down and shutting out all of the distractions that we plug into, that's the first. That's the first step in that and educate yourself about how to do it.

Amanda Loveland: 42:41

Well, and I, for me, I part of why this was coming in is, when I look at my life, the things that have been the most inspirational are things completely unexpected. And I don't know, if you two would echo the same thing, they kind of hit you from left field, and like, I did not see that coming. And it could be inspirational, like my other podcast, leaving religion, when that was something I never in a million years thought, you know, there's a lot of things that we can say, and it kind of hits us out of left field. And so one thing I've been thinking about as far as planning, can we not have this, hey, this is where my trajectory is going. And it's this or something better? So there's that energy out in the future of what I'm wanting to create. But I'm also leaving room for something, whatever else, this is what I'm wanting this or something better? If I find out?

Unknown: 43:28

Well, that's what they talk about with quantum physics. Yes, you put it in the field. And let go of the how. Yeah, how is what we want to control? Well, I really didn't see that. If I did this podcast, then I would get here. And that's where we get stuck is in the house. And because we want to control this the five steps to the out what our dream is, was business people. That's what we're taught. Yeah, yeah.

Amanda Loveland: 43:56

This is my goal. This is how I'm going to go accomplish it. And then you get narrow, you get focused, laser focused. Anyway,

Jessica Carnesecca: 44:04

well, it's the same with raising your family. You go to school, and then you do this and you know what I mean? Yeah, you get married, you raise a family, you go to college, you get a job, whatever. I mean, that's all just systematically, right. planned outline the ladder. Yeah. Yeah, so that's the render piece letting go of the house has been personally like such a huge challenge for me over the last few years, because I'm such a planner, goal oriented person, so learning to let go and surrender has been a I'm gonna say challenge, but it's been a prak practice. It is

Unknown: 44:35

a practice and I think it's a practice for every human being Jessica. I really think people assume that it's easier for other people. And I think they just practice more. I really do. They they practice more. And there's always those variables. Let me just say that I have people that aren't safe that can't do that. And I do acknowledge that because that's real

Amanda Loveland: 44:59

because there has To be a trust, if you're going to surrender You have to trust. Yeah. And if there's not trust or safety there, then you're unable to surrender.

Unknown: 45:05

Yeah, it's impossible. Yeah. So there's always there's always moving parts all the way around it. But I think it's difficult for everyone. And then the more you do it, and then magic happens synchronicities happen, you meet people. And then all this things start happening that you couldn't plan because you didn't know how to plan. Yeah. And I think that's the cool part about quantum physics is that it's a new experience the magic Yeah, it's just, it's kind of a mind band. And I think we need our mind bent a little more often. Yes. Amen. Yeah, I

Amanda Loveland: 45:43

like it. When my mind spent.

Unknown: 45:44

I do too. So if

Jessica Carnesecca: 45:45

somebody listening said, Oh, I love what you're saying. I'm so intrigued, like, now what? Like, where would they start? Or

Unknown: 45:52

where would they? I would tell you to take my course. Yes. And or start, like in November, we'll do the face reading. I would start there. Seeing new clients right now. I do see new clients, I am a ways out. So that's one area. That's an area to Yeah, and then you just, you can get a hold of me? I do? I do. Definitely. And I believe that if that's meant to happen, it always does my really do. My website is Christie at Christy foster.co. And you can go on there today and look at the course that's coming. Your wire. Christie at Oh, thirsty foster.co. Okay, my email is that you can email me that.

Amanda Loveland: 46:39

And we'll put all this in the show notes, as well. So

Unknown: 46:43

but I would recommend it to every human being really it isn't. I don't think anyone's excluded. Yeah, how will you use it is different. But I think the awareness for how we function and what our story is to this date is extremely valuable. And how can we shift it to make life a little more pleasurable? Yeah, unless push?

Amanda Loveland: 47:06

Do you have a client that comes to mind as far as them coming in with something that was really difficult and their their ability to go through it with you? And kind of what happened on the other end? Do you have a story that you could share quickly?

Unknown: 47:21

Yes. Or do you talk about what comes to mind, I had a client command to me, that has had had a lot of trauma, and also had had a lot of counseling, because of that. So she was well resourced. When I say resource, that's what I mean, if someone goes into trauma, they have a resource to regulate them back. So she did, someone referred her to me and she came in to me and the entire time, the first session, she couldn't look at me, which is also a that's tied into trauma, just FYI. Because it doesn't, it's not safe. So probably on the third session, I've seen her for a while now she did say she was able to look at me because we talked about that in the session. She said my therapist said she thinks I should come see you more often, because she's noticing a change in me. And she'd been going to the same therapist for a long time. And the psychosomatic piece was her feeling safe in her body. And also we talked about her coming. So she wasn't able to look and her body was pulled forward. So the only shift she did and I say only because it sounds so little and it wasn't was for her to sit back and or stand up straight. And just for a second to look at whoever she was talking to in the eyes. That was all. And that was massive for her. Because she actually felt a connection to her adult self in that, but the body had to follow what she was doing in counseling about connecting and healing the inner child and and then her adult self said, Okay, I can stand up in that and actually look at someone as an adult. So that's probably one of my most favorite. Because the trauma was so massive. And today she's she's still in counseling. I don't take the place of that. Let me be really clear. I'm not a counselor in I'm not licensed that way. I do the body but she she is a different human being because I can have a conversation with her. She sits up straight, she looks at me. Even her voice has changed because she's sitting up straight and she's starting to embody her sovereignty. Which Yay, right? That's probably the most beautiful gift we can give ourselves is that I love that

Jessica Carnesecca: 50:00

We talked about anxiety, but like gut health, that seems to kind of be using a lot of that, like the irritable bowel is because

Unknown: 50:06

of the unknown that's happening. That's Yeah, part of that. We don't know how to assimilate the unknown. And that's where that practice comes in, to help your body come back to stillness and harmony for a few minutes today, because when we're in an activated state, what's happening is people are drinking way more alcohol than they've ever drank. They're eating fast food more because they're anxious. And we want that to go away. And so we'll drink more. Yeah, and our food isn't as good and we're not drinking as much water, because we want something to make that go away. And then it that's the snowball again, and then we're 20 pounds heavier. We haven't exercised, because we're are anxious, and it just keeps going. And, and then it becomes a health hazard.

Jessica Carnesecca: 51:01

Do you think the gut health is this fairly new thing? Or do you think is more talked about now? I mean, 10 years ago, you talked about gut health, they're like, okay, whatever.

Unknown: 51:09

I think today, it's more prevalent because of what's happening in our world. I do and there's way more science, somatic science, psychological papers being done about what trauma and or anxiety does to our physical body. It's not soft science anymore. There's actually quite a bit of data out about it. Dr. Gabor Ma Tei. He is, you can find him he's done a lot of work. He wrote a book called The body says no. And that's all about over giving, overdoing and then the body shuts down. And so that kind of thing is more available to us. So when you ask the question, well, they can't diagnose anything. So if something's wrong, or something's not wrong, and you start feeling crazy, Dr. Gabor Ma Tei. His work right now is beautiful about the reality that what trauma does what stress does to our bodies and our gut health. So there's so much available to start learning and creating a better environment in our brain. So our body environment begins to get better. And I would say for people to if you're having gut health, I would unplug from fear based media more often. Because that starts the activation in the body and, and all the hormones come in. And if you're watching YouTube videos, to the people that are afraid all the time, or whatever might, whatever fence you're on, it doesn't matter. But fear comes in how to how are you assimilating fear. So just notice, all I'm saying is notice, be more aware of what you watch, be more aware to drink more water, maybe less soda, or alcohol, and add a few more whole foods in began to do little tiny things that will make a big difference. Yeah,

Jessica Carnesecca: 53:12

yeah. I love that. Thank you.

Unknown: 53:16

I could talk about this all day,

Jessica Carnesecca: 53:18

too. And like, so many questions in my mind's going all these but I love I would love to do your course.

Unknown: 53:23

Yeah, it's fantastic. So I will make sure and have you have access? Will it be live on Facebook? Or will it be like, no, it'll be live through zoom? Okay. Yeah.

Amanda Loveland: 53:32

These days, you'll have to record that so that people just want to

Unknown: 53:37

listen, I'll be recorded. So if you're out of state, if you're here even in in Utah, you can still watch it and do it that way. Oh, good. Cuz that's really, I would suggest doing it live via video with me, because you're gonna have so many questions. But yes, you could watch it later, too. Yeah.

Amanda Loveland: 53:56

I just over my retreat, and I think you're gone. I'm

Jessica Carnesecca: 53:58

gone. I know. That's why I'm like, I want to do it. But I don't think I can be there. Like,

Unknown: 54:02

we'll find a time and be able to do it and record it. Yeah,

Jessica Carnesecca: 54:05

yeah. Because I think it's fascinating. Do you have any kids or your relationship with your spouse or business? Just understanding? It completely does

Amanda Loveland: 54:15

want information is power. We've talked to Jessica, I talked about this so many times, especially with the fear that's happening right now. The more we end with anything, the more we educate ourselves and have information available to us. It's actually what will help. So we can be more present. We can be more calm, we can be more in the moment and self resource. What do I need? What do I need? What do I need? And this is just another way that we can have a tool, right? Yeah.

Unknown: 54:39

Yeah. And that's why I really started doing the emotional anatomy page. because there aren't a lot of resources about psychosomatics that I think the average person can understand. Yeah, and that's why I started it because it is a resource for people to know about their body. More.

Jessica Carnesecca: 55:02

How did you get started in psychosomatics? Um,

Unknown: 55:05

well, I had been in my practice for a long time. And probably eight or nine years ago, I went to a new your practice with a massage therapy. Yeah, okay. Yeah. And I went to a, I was at a marketing conference, which is funny. That's one of these synchronicities of how do I get over here? I'm at a marketing conference and this woman came and did a little 30 minute demo on psychosomatics. And it was one of those moments where I was picked out of the audience and said, this is your next move. That's how cool I mean, it was in Canada, I never in a million years would have thought I would met someone, but she became my teacher. Her name is Carol freezin. And yeah, from there, that's I started doing all the training and then went through the teachers. Because I kept saying, how come we don't know this? How come I've been doing bodywork and emotional work for 20 years, and no one's told me that, oh, you clench your butt. That's why you're stressed. And that's why I did that. Well, we just talked about how come no one knows this. And so that's really why I started and took the training so I can teach that because I think it's, I think people need to know that. Because it is power.

Amanda Loveland: 56:22

There was one session I don't know if you remember this, I remember very vividly there used to call it a gateway or a portal, I think was a gateway on the inside of my just write about my knee. It hurt like a freaking mother. And I remember your husband and some other guy was downstairs as I come out of the room. I'm like, so freaking out of it. I'm like, I don't know what just happened. But that was so painful. And I am present. Can I drive? is definitely and it's like, I had no idea. I had no idea that the inner you know, inner part of my knee was some gateway to I don't remember exactly what we're working on at that time. But yeah, anyway, it's crazy. The body, and absolutely beautiful.

Unknown: 57:02

It is beautiful, though. It's such a smart, smart technology the body is and the more we can learn about it and utilize it, I think the less meds will be on. Oh, yeah, the healthier will be if we learn how to regulate it. Yeah.

Jessica Carnesecca: 57:18

Yeah, cuz we talk so much about why rationally, mentally, spiritually, yeah, right, we kind of leave out the physically.

Unknown: 57:24

Yes, because there's not a lot of information about the physical part. Yeah.

Amanda Loveland: 57:28

And yet, what I'm finding personally is mastering the physical body is actually how you get all the others.

Unknown: 57:34

Yeah. Because you get stronger and healthier. And it becomes a feedback system, the mind and actually listening.

Amanda Loveland: 57:41

This is our physical representation in this planet on this earth is what it's like, why, you know, to know our bodies and know ourselves so intimately, especially in the physical that is connected with emotional, all these other pieces. Yeah. And how am I going to show up? You know, am I going to show up in the moment for something emotional, and I want to numb out? Or am I actually going to give myself the grace and the gift of, Hey, I'm going to sit in this discomfort because for the long run, this is the goal I'm going for, yes, I'm not going to give in the short, you know, this, this moment right now, and coming out.

Unknown: 58:12

And that's, that is the beautiful piece is coming in and noticing what your body's how it's communicating, and then you break old patterns. And then the neural pathways begin to change. And, And to me, that's, I that's the only way that I see change happening. Because you physically allow yourself to be uncomfortable. And that's not easy to do now, and yet it can be done. And then a neural pathway is created. And something else can shift.

Jessica Carnesecca: 58:46

Yep. Fascinating. fascinating to me.

Unknown: 58:49

It's I love it. Jessica. I love it's obviously I love it. That's what I do it because it's so it always is changing. Our bodies are always changing. And they can change for the better.

Jessica Carnesecca: 59:04

I love it. Well, thank you for spending an hour with us.

Unknown: 59:07

I mean, my pleasure. Thank you for having me. Yeah,

Amanda Loveland: 59:10

we should do this again.

Jessica Carnesecca: 59:11

Let's sign up. Sign me up.

Unknown: 59:14

Yeah, it's it's really, really fascinating. And we all have a body so we can all tap into that.

Amanda Loveland: 59:22

Yeah. Well, thank

Jessica Carnesecca: 59:24

you. Yeah. Thank you.

Unknown: 59:25

Thank you. Thank you.

Amanda Loveland: 59:29

Thank you for joining the conversation today. We hope that something we said sparked your curiosity to further

Jessica Carnesecca: 59:33

your growth, only you know what is meant for you. So let's continue the conversation and follow us on our Facebook page at what is personal is universal. We'll see you there.