Defending the Lion Podcast
Defending the Lion is a weekly podcast to share the story of what happened in the murder case of my cousin Debbie Carter in Ada, Oklahoma and the journey that ensued after finding out the 2 men convicted of that crime were found innocent.
Episodes
21 episodes
Tale of a Lion
This is the final episode of season 1 for Defending the Lion. In this episode we'll talk about the recent Supreme Court decision, McGirt v Oklahoma, and how that has effected Debbie's case almost 40 years after her murder.
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Season 1
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Episode 19
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33:01
Bonus Episode- Wes
In this bonus episode we're talking with former Detective Wes Edens. Wes discusses with us the Reid Method, which is a commonly used interrogation method in the United States.
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Season 1
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Episode 0
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1:10:03
Bonus Episode- Dawn
In this bonus episode we're talking with court reporter Dawn Teal. Dawn was the court reporter in all of the trials for my cousin Debbie's case. Dawn was also responsible for the court's evidence in this case that span almost 40 years. Ms Teal ...
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Season 1
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Episode 0
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54:40
Defending the Lion- Episode 18- Moral Dilemma
Many times the work of advocating for victims of crime and the wrongfully convicted go hand in hand. But the issue of the death penalty seems to always bring me to a crossroads where only heart break lie ahead.
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Season 1
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Episode 18
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33:32
Defending the Lion- Episode 17- The truth is like a lion
“The truth is like a Lion. You don’t have to defend it. Let it loose. It will defend itself.”- St. Augustine
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Season 1
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Episode 17
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19:06
Defending the Lion- Episode 16- If the truth kills them, let them die
The subject of Episode 16 is one I’ve dreaded for many months. Some things aren’t easy to talk about. But telling the truth and speaking out against corruption and lies are the only way things are gonna change for the better.
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Season 1
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Episode 16
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33:28
Defending the Lion- Episode 15- Medium Security
In episode 15 I discuss how a new documentary being made about Debbie story brought on more than just new questions. It also brought the opportunity to visit her killer in prison. But I plan didn’t goes as expected.
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Season 1
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Episode 15
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36:08
Defending the Lion- Episode #12- Reluctant Reformer
In episode 12 I talk about my first public speaking event, the backlash surrounding the release of John Grisham's book, and a second effort at passing a law to establish a justice commission.
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Season 1
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Episode 12
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46:44
Defending the Lion- Episode 11- Call your first witness
In episode 11 we'll talk about the 4th trial for Debbie's murder. And, continuing to learn more that we didn't know before.
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Season 1
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Episode 11
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41:49
Defending the Lion- Episode 10- John Grisham, Charlottesville, VA
In episode 10 I discuss taking "Debbie's bill" through the Oklahoma legislator. I also take you through the summer of 2006; gearing up for trial #4 and meeting John Grisham.
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Season 1
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Episode 10
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39:45
Defending the Lion- Episode 8- C Spot
I did not know what to do with any of this information. All of the things I’d read scrolled through my mind over and over. I went over the conversation Peppy and I had, what I read in Scheck’s book, the court tv interview, and the fact one of t...
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Season 1
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Episode 8
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47:16
Defending the Lion- Episode 7- Silent Symphony of Snowfall
The same day we watched Williamson and Fritz disappear into the sunset along with everything we thought we knew about Debbie’s case, the headline read, “Suspect linked to DNA escapes from prison, inmate distraught over Carter case”. The article...
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Season 1
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Episode 7
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41:19
Defending the Lion- Episode 6- DNA Magic
From my family’s perspective the system had worked like it was supposed to. There was a crime, an investigation, suspects were charged and prosecuted, found guilty by a jury of their peers, and they were sent to prison. But, by 1997 we had lear...
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Season 1
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Episode 6
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31:32
Defending the Lion- Episode 5- Higher Education
In Episode 5 I'll discuss visiting the Oklahoma death chamber and how the decision of one judge will change the course of Debbie's case forever. Along with the head to head collision of my personal and professional life.
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Season 1
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Episode 5
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26:20
Defending the Lion- Episode 4- The consumption of fear
In episode 4 we'll further discuss the exhumation of Debbie's body 5 years after her murder. The trials of both Ron Williamson and Dennis Fritz in the summer of 1997. Leaving one of them headed to life in prison and the other to death...
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Season 1
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Episode 4
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43:13
Defending the Lion- Episode 3- Diggin' up bones
In episode 3 I reflect on how much has been written and said about the Debbie Carter case, but how none of it is about Debbie. While the investigation stalled my hometown of Ada, Oklahoma was rocked again by the kidnapping and murder of another...
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Season 1
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Episode 3
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23:27
Defending the Lion- Episode 2- If that mouse could talk
In episode 2 we'll continue to discuss what my family was told about the original investigation into Debbie's murder. I will also flash forward to a 1996 when I interviewed the District Attorney and the lead detective for a college class ...
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Season 1
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Episode 2
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30:20