Episode 21: Purim

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Evan 0:00

Welcome to episode 21 of Shibaz Hebrews, the Jewish fermenting podcasts, where we hope to discuss all things. Homebrewing, fermenting from a Jewish perspective today, we are talking about our next holiday Purim, how are you? Alison

Alison 0:12

Uh, exhausted. How are you?

Evan 0:16

also tired, but for a very different reasons.

Alison 0:19

Yeah, well to everybody listening, this Sunday we changed the clocks in the United States or for us listeners. We changed the clocks. So, if you haven't lost an hour of sleep yet, make sure you do so, so that you don't show up to like everything an hour too late, early.

Evan 0:41

Early.

Alison 0:42

Early. I'm tired. I'm really tired.

Evan 0:45

Yeah, we both, we both, obviously both had daylight savings times because we don't live in Arizona and we've also both lost an hour due to times to flying to a different time zone.

Alison 0:56

Yeah.

Evan 0:58

So,

Alison 0:59

So, side note.

Evan 1:01

this episode comes out on Purim.

Alison 1:04

Yeah. Hung. So may I ask everyone? can I, before we start on Purim and in a quick tangent, well, we'll see how quick it is. Anyways, The thing about a daylight savings is that if you want to stay permanently, not on daylight savings, if a state decides that they don't want to stay on daylight savings and they want to permanently beyond standard time, they're allowed to do that. You basically just need the state law, like the state legislature to that on it. However, If you want to stay permanently on daylight savings time and you have to get congressional approval for that. So a couple of years ago, Florida had a proposal for something that it was called, like a sunshine standard time or something to that effect. And Florida passed a bill. Like in the state legislature saying that we want to exclusively be on, daylight savings time. It, there was some reason for it where it made a lot more sense in Florida specifically. And I, and I read up about it cause I was a Florida resident at that time. And I was like, oh, that sounds like a great idea. Like this actually makes sense. And that. I, as a general rule, want to fight Benjamin Franklin at any given opportunity. Daylight savings is no exception. the bill ended up getting like the U S Congress basically tabled it. They were like, we're not dealing with this. so it never actually ended up happening, but I think it's kind of funny that like, if Arizona decides that they don't want to do daylight savings, that's no problem. Nobody cares. They just stay on standard time. They don't need approval for it. If, if misery decided to do the same thing tomorrow, they could do that, with no issues, but staying on daylight savings time. can't get approval. Like you need to get approval for, and, and Congress won't give it.

Evan 3:01

Yeah, I'm curious. Why do you want to fight Benjamin Franklin and every opportunity? Our most potentially our most I centric founding father.

Alison 3:09

Okay. So Benjamin Franklin, did a lot of things that he shouldn't have, like Eno make his ten-year-old grandson fi key in a lightning storm. he was not the one Benjamin Franklin himself was not the guy who did. he made his 10 year old grandson do it, but that's not like the original reason why I started wanting to find him. anybody who's taken a high school physics class has seen an electrical diagram. you know, or this is going

Evan 3:39

I think I know where it's

Alison 3:40

figured this out, this one out. Okay. So the thing about electrical diagrams is that they basically show, circuit going. from positive to negative, and it shows positive charge flowing. And this was a convention developed by Benjamin Franklin, but positive charge. Doesn't flip negative charges, what flows, positive charge stays, where it is. And, and the reason why you have the, the differences in charges depends on where the electrons are flowing. So every single electrical diagram, we have every single one of them is wrong because Benjamin Franklin decided that positive charge was what flowed and he was wrong.

Evan 4:28

Yeah. In his slight defense, that that is absolutely a threat freezing the final four. He didn't know what was actually flowing. He made a stipulation that happened to be wrong. You had a 50, 50 chance.

Alison 4:40

Yeah.

Evan 4:41

We should have changed it. That.

Alison 4:42

We should have changed. like we should have changed this very long time ago, but because it was Benjamin Franklin, we just never changed it. And like I do give Benjamin Franklin some credit for, basically there were some competing theories about how things flowed and, and how, how charged flowed way back when, and, there was one prevailing theory that.

Evan 5:07

Yeah.

Alison 5:07

That was that both positive and negative charges flowed. and he decided he didn't want to deal with that math just went with one. Uh, so he picked the wrong one. He was right that only one of them flows.

Evan 5:26

Can you just put on that?

Alison 5:28

Yeah, he was wrong. There are other things, there are plenty of certainly plenty of other things to be mad about Benjamin Franklin for, but he has made every single diagram wrong sense and it bothers me.

Evan 5:41

I understand that. I fully understand that.

Alison 5:46

He also was a notorious for cheating on him.

Evan 5:52

Common law. Yeah, no, he was still cheating. I'm. I'm not, I'm not defending that part. It's just that she had been married and her husband disappeared probably too, because divorce was impossible at the time. And so they were never actually married.

Alison 6:05

Yeah. but also that was pretty standard. I, was reading this book a while ago called legends lies and cherish mess of world history, which is maybe not the number one most. You book around. Cause it's kind of written in a little bit of a funny manner. It's very tongue in cheek, but it was, is an interesting read. It's a fun read. and it does actually go into, a little bit of a deep dive about. in England and the 15 hundreds, which is again, not, not the American revolution era call us, or almost you

Evan 6:41

no it's rendered

Alison 6:43

Yeah. You know, there are 300 years apart, but at one point, the church decided to do a survey. and they discovered that less than half of people had an actual church. They just kind of decided they were married and moved in. Like that was how it was done. You didn't have a formal wedding because it was a lot of pomp and circumstance and people didn't have the time or the money for that. You just like go and build a house together and be done with it.

Evan 7:10

Yeah.

Alison 7:11

So, our concept of marriage has evolved a lot over the years

Evan 7:17

Yes.

Alison 7:18

and now. I guess let's get in to talking about a guy who took thousands of concubines,

Evan 7:26

Yes, that's right. We're going to talk about, and

Alison 7:30

read the book of Esther folks. That's beds.

Evan 7:33

out to there, the book of Esther, though, do you want to know from a bit of a historical perspective on the book?

Alison 7:40

uh, Xerxes.

Evan 7:43

Yeah, Xerxes is the more modern pronunciation of,

Alison 7:48

And also, if you read like an actual history book, as opposed to the book of Esther, you will see him refer. I think he's there because he's the second,

Evan 7:58

Xerxes the first? I had to double check that I thought he was searched. He's the second as well,

Alison 8:02

well, I

Evan 8:04

at least according to everyone's favorite source of reliable information, would it be.

Alison 8:08

uh, classic, I mean, Another historical figure. I would like to fight us, but that's a side note.

Evan 8:18

I mean,

Alison 8:19

can get into that another time.

Evan 8:20

Oh yeah. Oh, I'd like to fight him too. His theories on wall, everything. You're crazy.

Alison 8:26

Yes.

Evan 8:27

I'm sure we will tangent on that at some point, because yeah.

Alison 8:32

Because when, in doubt do not believe the man riding around on a donkey who writes down every story he hear.

Evan 8:40

Yeah,

Alison 8:40

Sometimes he might be right. But a lot of the time he's not.

Evan 8:44

Hurghada this and Galen where the basis for Madison for way too long.

Alison 8:49

Yeah.

Evan 8:50

I mean, I'm sure one of the things you want to find them on is the, the term in theory, hysteria,

Alison 8:57

Oh my God.

Evan 9:00

Richard read one of her out of this, this text in a Roman history class. I mean it relevant for, you know, history.

Alison 9:08

I think that maybe you should be grouped with a, that book. I mentioned legends lies and cherish myths.

Evan 9:15

yes, but I mean, talk to you about it from a historical perspective and seeing what not is a valid reading of it, not

Alison 9:22

Yeah.

Evan 9:23

medicine and there are people who I'll just put it this way. Some of the wellness and holistic views on medic. Not all, but a lot of them are

Alison 9:33

off of gala.

Evan 9:34

or, yeah, they're closer to Galen and Heraclitus then, modern, John Snow, Grey's anatomy, the actual test, and while, you know, any modern to, the, the journal nature and the journal and the Lancet.

Alison 9:48

Yeah. Well,

Evan 9:50

Well,

Alison 9:51

let's actually talk about perm at some point, because I am going to follow this.

Evan 9:57

Yeah, let, let let's talk about a Purim, which is about, why don't we sleep, how we pronounce this in Hebrew, because that is not what I remember

Alison 10:06

What, what are you trying to say?

Evan 10:09

The old person for some reason is, um, I was missing up with Hanukkah and, uh, and T office.

Alison 10:15

Yeah. we're at

Evan 10:18

Yes, they both are non Hebrew names translated into ancient Hebrew, but the, do you want to give her the short story or the short, this pitch of what happens or should I, shall I.

Alison 10:31

Okay, Jewish holidays can be generally grouped into a couple of different ways. There's harvest festival. There's a new year holiday surrounding a new year. And then there is they trying to kill us. We won. there are also fast days, which can generally be categorized as they tried to kill us. They killed a fair number of us. Let's fast. of them, there was some overlap between these different categories. Purim, has an exception to that fast day rule, basically. there was this. King in of the Persian empire named a hot, fresh fate Roche or is or Xerxes. and, he had a big party to celebrate his rule and he asked that his queen Vashti appear in front of, in front of him and his partying bruised. and she refused and there a lot of different commentators on why, who talk about why, whether or not she was, asked to appear, you know, only her crown, which is kind of a very common reading. in recent years, she's become a little bit of a feminist icon. And like, there are all sorts of feminist interpretations of this. Anyways. There's a lot of interesting stuff to discuss about her, but, clash of errors basically says, screw you, I'm banishing, you vanishes her. And then collects has his, his folks collect all the pretty maidens from around the entire empire. And one of the woman, one of these pretty maidens that he Krulak's is a Jewish woman named. and Esther has an uncle is racing her named Morta high. She goes and joins this. You'll hear it called a beauty pageant, but I mean, you can, you can kind of guess how it goes. anyways, uh, uh, hush Ferus picks her to be the. and there's this bad guy named c'mon who, who wants to destroy the Jews and, decides that he really, he especially hates mortify Esther's uncle. but he wants to destroy all of the Jews and he convinced us the king tool, like give him a higher position of power and he sets up everything in motion to basically have a massacre of the dues. and the Jews find out about this, Esther, and mortify pleads with Aster to, Convinced the king to not have this happen and through like a series of, of parties and her wits, Esther, convinces the king, that Han is the bad guy and, that, Jews should not be killed. So. She like, she risks her life to save all of the Jews she successful. There are a bunch of side plots going on there.

Evan 13:41

But you as much like, us, it's hard to tell a direct story. We get too many

Alison 13:45

yeah. Yeah. There's a bunch of tangents in there. it's not a long, it's not a long read. it's pretty quick. It's. 10 chapters, but some of them are pretty short. and there is a tradition to read it twice on perm, once in the evening and once, once on the evening on a call or a forum, and once in the day, on the actual, like daytime of Purim, and people you're supposed to listen to the whole thing, People find all sorts of ways to try and make the reading. Interesting. I was, I used to read a chapter six and there's a section that you do as a lullaby and you read it like a conversation I've seen bits acted out, basically you try and keep it engaging for people. You boo. Whenever Hemanth name is said. I mean, honestly, if you're listening to this podcast, you probably know most of this.

Evan 14:40

Yeah, I, we don't, we don't actually know how many of our listeners are Jewish versus not, but yes,

Alison 14:46

Yeah, we have no idea.

Evan 14:48

we have no idea. So we want to provide at least some background.

Alison 14:51

So there

Evan 14:51

at least one non jury listens to the podcast. Hi, John.

Alison 14:54

Hi. So there is my semi rambly summary of the book of Esther.

Evan 15:03

Yes.

Alison 15:04

but it is. It's short. It's a, it's a quick read. and it's, it's got some interesting bits in there.

Evan 15:13

Yeah.

Alison 15:15

I happen to think the trope is very nice if you are listening to It

Evan 15:20

It is a very nice book. I mean, it's also very short and as little kids listen through the entire thing, it's not that long,

Alison 15:27

Yeah. Yeah.

Evan 15:28

we, we met, we mentioned Harmon and you're supposed to a blot out his name as they say. So noise makers of all sorts of kinds, booing stomping yelling to.

Alison 15:39

when you, when you do a reading, you prepare for a reading like it's, I, I used to. read like regular Saturday readings. and everybody's quiet for those. I mean, obviously you got some people whispering around with people talking. They're always gonna,

Evan 15:58

Breaking news.

Alison 15:59

McGill at Esther, like as a general, with the exception of the kids, it's very, very quiet except for c'mon and you learn to read with breaks and you learn how you pause, to make sure that everybody can hear every word and, and make sure that, you know, you don't have people screaming over you whenever her mom's name is ed. so it's, I don't know. It's you gotta have, There's like additional things that you have to think about. reading Magilla is one of the form it's fuzz of Purim. and the other, some of the other ones are kind of more relevant ones for this podcast. So the four mitzvahs or like the, the good beads specifically or commandments, is I guess a little bit more direct to the translation. The four myths vote of our, reading, the Magilla hearing and Mikela, Suda, which is, a feast. So you're supposed to have a feast. there is Michelle off my note, which is where you give basically a gift basket to a friend and they traditionally have. A couple of different types of food in there. You don't want to like exclusively give candy. You'll give like a cookie and I don't know an orange, but you want like an assortment of different things. You don't want to talk to the same. And the fourth one is which is to donate money so that other people can have food. That's east.

Evan 17:33

sometimes, get people to refer to Purim is reverse Halloween because also with the feast and a lot of the other traditions that have come along, costumes

Alison 17:45

Yeah. So one of the things that's done on prem and, and you hear often in regards to the present, so you hear the term, the NAFA flu, which means everything was bad. Everything was flipped backwards. Everything is topsy turvy people, people work costumes, people get drunk. And the idea is that you should be, so drunk that you can't tell the villain from the hero.

Evan 18:13

Yeah.

Alison 18:14

so this is very much a holiday associated with alcohol.

Evan 18:19

Yes, very

Alison 18:20

Very, very much

Evan 18:21

And also has caused some people to call Purim, compare it to St. Patrick's day,

Alison 18:26

Which

Evan 18:27

or Yom Yom St. Patrick's. Ha. And today, and this year they fall on the same day,

Alison 18:32

Yeah.

Evan 18:33

which is fine.

Alison 18:34

So, they come the same time of the year. There's a lot of associations, but, but Yes. perhaps celebrations tend to be exuberant.

Evan 18:43

Yes.

Alison 18:44

Let's go with that. but it's a, it's a happy holiday. it takes place in the month of Aadhaar, uh, which another saying, um, which basically means, who enters Aadhaar, will be like grown in happiness.

Evan 19:07

Yes. And this one this year, we got two of them.

Alison 19:09

Yeah, this is a leap year. So we have on our Aleph and other bet. So what are one, another two? And in leap years, perm takes place in the second one. And this is basically done to make sure that the lunar calendar stays kind of vaguely in the same place.

Evan 19:27

Yeah, because yeah, unlike the Gregorian calendar we use the moon, the only thing in the regarding calendar that is based on the moon is. And while, I guess then technically lent as well, but Eastern Easter derived things, and unlike the Islamic calendar, we still care about the seasons. So this year Ramadan is coming up soon. I can't say much more than that. Cause, and then that's perfect. But anyone, if anyone listens to celebrating that it was show up happy. I think Ramadan.

Alison 19:55

Uh, it's Ramadan Mubarak.

Evan 19:58

Yes, that that is the phrase.

Alison 20:00

No. When you were going for

Evan 20:01

Yes. I was trying to remember what the appropriate terminology to add to that. You don't wish somebody a happy home to poor. So,

Alison 20:07

no,

Evan 20:08

so I was trying to remember the appropriate phrasing,

Alison 20:11

yeah.

Evan 20:12

but I know that it's coming up soon for any, anyone who celebrates, who listens.

Alison 20:16

Yeah. I mean, Mendez, maybe not the proper time to be fermenting alcohol.

Evan 20:24

correct. Um, at least based on my knowledge,

Alison 20:27

Yeah.

Evan 20:28

but we, are a Jewish podcast and, so w to now it's a little late to start a brief report, though.

Alison 20:36

Yes. I guess you could maybe no, there's really nothing you, can do. That would be three days.

Evan 20:44

Nope,

Alison 20:45

Like

Evan 20:46

unless you have a Tardis,

Alison 20:48

you can make some cheese.

Evan 20:50

you could make cheese that would technically be fermented and you are supposed to feast. And in a lot of Jewish holidays, we celebrate with dairy meals.

Alison 20:58

Yeah. I don't think I. Historically, at least I don't know of dairy foods associated with quorum.

Evan 21:10

I don't know, there's not a specific dairy food, like some other holidays, but in general, we do celebrate a lot with dairy food, which is ironic given, you know, Jews and dairy

Alison 21:23

I have eaten a lot of. Okay. What I'm doing for perm this year, that we're having a little perm party. If, if you know me and you live in the area, you're welcome to come. but I am going to make a bunch of like portion Jewish dishes. so as I have mentioned previously, I don't really eat meat. So I'm going to make laugh machine. with some impossible meat and a couple other things, maybe more often cigar or rockin cigars, but like I was taught how to make them by a Syrian Jew.

Evan 22:05

Hm.

Alison 22:06

So I don't know.

Evan 22:10

Yeah. Are you making and Tasha.

Alison 22:13

probably I. And probably having my roommate because she makes really good hamantaschen though, like eight plus hamantaschen dome maker.

Evan 22:26

So we mentioned him on the villain of the story. These are a traditional Turkey that you might get on Purim, which Jew, who has it all on Twitter, who we've mentioned before, had a very funny parody of talking about girl scout, Hamann session.

Alison 22:39

Yeah. Girl scout, cookies, side note, the new adventure falls, very tasty, great. And a glass of milk.

Evan 22:49

But Hamann, Sasha, as I was saying. So these come about from parts of the apocryphal part additions to the story. What about Hamas, depending on who you asked yet? A three cornered hat or a three cornered.

Alison 23:02

I think ear is like, I think the hat thing is a more recent thing and that like the older story is that is the ears.

Evan 23:11

Some people also say the three cornered pocket, which is what the name comes from. None of them makes that much sense. Three cornered think is the oldest of the, of the

Alison 23:21

That's all it is.

Evan 23:22

stories, which I still not sure how someone has a three-quarter dear.

Alison 23:27

I don't, I think it was just pointed. I don't even know if it was three. I thought it was just like, oh, he had a, a pointy ear. He had Spock ears.

Evan 23:37

Yeah.

Alison 23:37

So Spock was Jewish, so,

Evan 23:39

Phillips spot was Jewish and a good guy.

Alison 23:41

and deserves better than to be compared to that man.

Evan 23:44

Yes.

Alison 23:45

Fine. He had a Romulan ear

Evan 23:47

Get around me linear. the

Alison 23:49

good at talking about perm today.

Evan 23:52

there's something from star Trek, wholesome posting. I'll send you later. It was

Alison 23:55

Okay. there is also a Facebook group called the star Trek Jew posting. Yeah. So if you are listening to this. Like star Trek, like we are trying to convince you to do clearly. it's good. Good.

Evan 24:14

Yeah. but so these are the crutches I mentioned earlier, and they are triangle shaped and filled with many different things. some of times which generates debates, which is they're both sweet and savory and while all sorts of flavors.

Alison 24:27

Yeah. I've had some. Really good ones. there's also basically there's debate about how the dose should be to like whether or not it should be a stiffer. No, like more with the consistency of a gingerbread, I guess, would be a way to describe it or if it should be more of a, more of like a buttery short cookie.

Evan 24:52

I

Alison 24:53

do you have an opinion on this.

Evan 24:54

my opinion is that it depends on the

Alison 24:59

I like, I go with that.

Evan 25:02

so.

Alison 25:02

also like, so there's like, there's some great alignment charts of

Evan 25:07

Oh, yes, there are line trends, especially on the flavors.

Alison 25:10

yeah, I've made like, I mean, normal Tasha in a couple of different ways. I think the most scandalous hamantaschen I've ever met. It was when my older sister who is a weekend, and, Decided to make a batch of common Taschen, that were vegan and we made vegan chocolate, chocolate cookie dough. And then Phil does it look like we baked them and we had to make like these little tinfoil molds to get them to keep their shape. And we baked them empty in like raised triangle form. And then we filled them with Rocky. And the reason why I emphasize vegan here is because, you can eat as like, as long as you toast the flour beforehand. you can just eat vegan cookie dough as much of it as you want. You can just keep it, like I have made batches of it and frozen it and scooped it like ice cream and it's killer. And nobody is going to yell at you about something.

Evan 26:18

Yeah, no, it didn't end. You do have to toast the flour

Alison 26:21

You do have to chose to flower.

Evan 26:22

that, that is correct though. Honestly, eggs are, let's say for the most people think

Alison 26:26

Yeah. Flower is

Evan 26:27

the flowers, the more dangerous.

Alison 26:29

Yeah. Flour for every money who is worried about salmonella from my eggs. You, are more at risk from raw flour on cooked flour than you are from eggs in the United States, at least. but anyways, we filled, we. hamantaschen filled with chocolate chip cookie dough.

Evan 26:50

Well, that

Alison 26:50

And it was amazing. And every time I seen the alignment chart, I'm like, I don't know where we go here,

Evan 26:59

Yeah, visually another dimension. You need a cube.

Alison 27:03

but it was worth.

Evan 27:05

That sounds

Alison 27:05

were really good. I have no idea what happened to the recipe we used. I think we w we just like, had a couple of different cookie dough recipes that we can mine for it, but they were very good.

Evan 27:17

Yeah. What do you think about a poppy seed, which is a traditional flavor that is controversial.

Alison 27:22

It is traditional. And to quote letter, Kenny, you don't fuck what you're doing. I just, don't really like poppy seeds that much. I don't hate them. I just to be clear, I have no dislike for poppy seeds at all. I just think that they have more of a textural element than anything else. And I would rather eat something else.

Evan 27:47

And that is very fair.

Alison 27:49

Like. Not worth the calories of a poppy seed cookie. When I could be having a new teller one,

Evan 27:59

That is very fair. The ones my mom traditionally made were cherry and apricot.

Alison 28:05

we did apple pot cherry, or no apricots, raspberry or strawberry and chocolate chocolate chip Nutella. last year I made. Raspberry and Nutella, like it would be a dollop of Nutella and a dollop of jam in there. And that I think was like the move they were really good.

Evan 28:29

Yeah. I mean, you tell us Nutella on its own is amazing, but it's, it's dense.

Alison 28:35

Yes. And it is elevated very nicely by a dollar procrastination.

Evan 28:42

It sounds like it. We've already covered the, trying to think we've already covered the drinking, but you're supposed to drink a lot on this holiday. This is the most drunken of Jewish holidays.

Alison 28:51

But as always, we would like to remind you to please drink responsibly. This is a holiday for drinking and eating. So make sure you have plenty of starch and also make sure you keep yourself well hydrated

Evan 29:03

Yes. If you, um,

Alison 29:08

There are card you, but, please follow your local legal restrictions.

Evan 29:13

that is correct. Yes. No, don't don't be an idiot.

Alison 29:16

Yes.

Evan 29:18

but because of the over Ashley overlays with St. Patrick's state this year, um, did I send you the horrible bagel that bagel, the Bailey's was making the.

Alison 29:28

The what now?

Evan 29:30

Bill like Bailey's Irish cream.

Alison 29:31

Well, let me check. I am not seeing anything resell.

Evan 29:37

Okay. I'll tell him, I'll copy it to you. But Bailey's the liquor company, partnered with some bagel maker in New York to make this disgusting looking bagel. It was on both Twitter and doing this. The Beatles is incredibly offensive to my people, Facebook group, which is another fun Facebook group for anyone who likes bagels and you know, food not being completely mad.

Alison 30:00

Yeah. If you do want, to see some food abominations, Marisa, wait a minute. This is not flavor town. Where am I?

Evan 30:16

That is hilarious.

Alison 30:19

That's a good one. I? I might not have gotten the name exactly right,

Evan 30:23

It's not that, that sounds funny though. but what was I thinking

Alison 30:27

oh my God.

Evan 30:30

I will try and link to the tweet in

Alison 30:31

Oh,

Evan 30:32

description. In the show notes, there will hopefully be a link to

Alison 30:36

Y

Evan 30:43

So as the new Yorker, do you want to, just got to read this.

Alison 30:47

okay. this week is the Irish, the Jewish and Irish diasporas can come together to agree that this. is some Protestant narrative. and then there's a, there's a link from timeout.com with the title, a famous NYC bagel is getting a delicious Bailey's upgrade for St. Patrick's day. the bangle in question has bright green and they have Bailey's cream cheese.

Evan 31:11

Yeah. So Bailey's cream cheese on its own. Doesn't

Alison 31:13

There are black and white cookies that are green and white,

Evan 31:17

No just now

Alison 31:18

which okay. I don't hate so much as I'm annoyed that there's no chocolate one.

Evan 31:25

that's fair.

Alison 31:27

Like, I'm not, I'm not, I don't have a problem with the green and white, like, go for it, have fun. But like, I don't want to even, cause there's no chocolate on it.

Evan 31:36

Hmm. That's the problem.

Alison 31:39

Yeah.

Evan 31:39

there's some Irish coffees, which.

Alison 31:43

I mean, I'm not a coffee

Evan 31:44

Yes, I would drink that. Now that that is the least messed up. Part of it. What I am also advised there's some blocks in the corner of the image.

Alison 31:52

Yeah, there was locks in the corner of the image. So you're putting Bailey's cream cheese with locks on top, which is, I guess, certainly a vibe. I don't like the vibe, but it's certainly alive. Yes, it is. some Protestant nourish.

Evan 32:14

yeah. So if you want to, the, the shortlist of what you should not do to bagels includes coloring them.

Alison 32:19

Um, there are some like acceptable colorings for them and I'm like, you know what, go for it. Like I've had, I've had a turmeric bagel or an egg bagel before and they turn out to be yellow

Evan 32:33

Yeah, but that's, that's like a normal ingredient, like a normal-ish ingredient. You'd include, it's not artificial food coloring.

Alison 32:41

If you decided to make a spirulina bagel, because you liked the taste of spirulina and wanted to put it in a bagel. I wouldn't approve, but I wouldn't be offended by

Evan 32:53

Yeah. It's actually.

Alison 32:54

Like if it's incidental that something changes color and it happens to be like kind of garish, you know, go for it. But like when you take something that's like newly. And you go, I'm going to make it in green and then keep digging that hole. Like if you there's also like so many elements here that just like go downhill. If you had just made the bagel green, I would be like, and that's a, that's the St Patrick's big gimmick and I'm annoyed by it, but like, whatever, but they had to dig that hole.

Evan 33:39

Nagle's or not the Chicago river.

Alison 33:43

No bagels or not the Chicago river. if you want to do something catchy, like, okay. I guess, but like, this is like you saw the hole And you decided it mean to be three times the size with Bailey's cream cheese and blocks. Like, yes. Okay. I don't eat fish, but like yes, lox goes on top of bagels. Understood. But

Evan 34:11

no, Bailey's

Alison 34:12

Bailey

Evan 34:13

Bailey's and cream cheese go together. Well, I've had many good Bailey's cheesecakes.

Alison 34:20

Yeah. Delicious,

Evan 34:22

But not on a bagel,

Alison 34:24

uh, bagel, guys,

Evan 34:25

a bagel.

Alison 34:28

this like I L I like a sweet cream cheese. Sure. But I'm not going to put locks on top of my blueberry shmear.

Evan 34:37

Oh, it's no everything. Yeah. Every time I look at this image, I find something else wrong with it.

Alison 34:47

Yeah.

Evan 34:48

least it looks that they boiled the bait.

Alison 34:51

Yes.

Evan 34:51

If they didn't boil the Beatles though, I could say those aren't bagels and be happier

Alison 34:55

Yeah. But no, those do look like actual world bagels. I have, we talked about bangles on this podcast.

Evan 35:04

in general. Yes. We talked about it with Jewish breads. I believe we couldn't do a whole episode. We, we need to find somebody who wants to defend the Montreal bagel.

Alison 35:12

Uh, how many people, you know, from Montreal,

Evan 35:16

I have a cousin that lives there.

Alison 35:18

he like bagel?

Evan 35:20

Uh, I think so, but she's also from New York originally, so.

Alison 35:25

no That one's not gonna work. Okay. If you are listening to this podcast and you are a defender of the Montreal bagel, or at the very least non eight crashidy New York Jew who has not had enough sleep and is angry about bagels, also known as me. let us know if you'd like to do a bagel debate with us since.

Evan 35:49

That would be very fun to do or, or especially if we can get, or is there some other known type of bagel we've not discussed and we will not be taking applications for people who would, believe in the St. Louis cup bagel

Alison 36:03

Oh my God.

Evan 36:05

just now.

Alison 36:05

We're not talking about that.

Evan 36:07

Yeah.

Alison 36:08

Okay. I do think, bialys are very tasty. I do like a good bialy. It's not a bagel, but it's too.

Evan 36:16

Yeah. They're,

Alison 36:17

to be Ali.

Evan 36:18

they're their own thing. They're separate,

Alison 36:21

I genuinely don't know if I've ever had a Montreal bagel.

Evan 36:25

nor have I, because I've never been to bone trail. I want to go,

Alison 36:27

Nope. Yeah. I've never been to Montreal.

Evan 36:30

I've heard it's a pretty place and they have a hockey team.

Alison 36:33

Yeah, but I go Leafs.

Evan 36:35

Yeah. It didn't have a great day from what I saw.

Alison 36:38

No, they did not.

Evan 36:40

isn't your goalie out.

Alison 36:42

Yeah.

Evan 36:44

I don't understand how Peter Morris gets stolen the lead, just, I

Alison 36:48

Neither do I I am not, as my friend says, Mirasol dazzled by him.

Evan 36:58

That is a wonderful phrase.

Alison 37:01

The friend in question is a Redwings fan who is very happy to no longer have Pete and lab.

Evan 37:08

So I was talking with a friend of mine. Who's also a Redwings fan and he is also very happy not to feed them or ask anymore.

Alison 37:14

yet we have them. Kyle, why did you do this to us?

Evan 37:22

I mean, I know he's going to be a better goalie than I am because I'm not a dollar, but he's one of the worst strollers in the lead. I'm sorry. Any NHL

Alison 37:29

you don't need to.

Evan 37:30

but I can still say, I can say that and still say he's a horrible rolling for the.

Alison 37:35

Yeah.

Evan 37:38

Do you have anything else on Purim before both of us trying to get rested?

Alison 37:45

try to get some sleep,

Evan 37:48

Yes. According to some rabbis, you don't actually have to drink that much and you can just go to sleep early.

Alison 37:56

A point where of like being awake, where you're no longer legally allowed to drive a car.

Evan 38:02

Yes, I have. Well, not technically. it depends on the state and how jurisdiction has done. Yes, you can hazard you would, you wouldn't be booked for something like driving under the influence. It would be both for hazardous driving.

Alison 38:15

Yeah.

Evan 38:16

And if you're a heavy truck driver, then yes, there's an

Alison 38:18

Then there's a lot of flaws about

Evan 38:20

Then there's a lot more laws about how long you got.

Alison 38:22

Hmm. Wow. I actually haven't set up, I still need to set up my next brew,

Evan 38:33

do I, I will be hopefully doing that soon, here, here soon

Alison 38:37

yeah, I will hopefully be doing that this week. I'm going to get some lavender in there.

Evan 38:45

and enjoyed it, honey, and drive all the way across the Metro to get yeast or ordered online.

Alison 38:51

Or new online. That's easier. Anyways, even though we have. brewed it, he bird. And now it's time for you to reel Kareem some ass, please drink responsibly and have a wonderful fog.