Episode 21: Purim

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Evan: 0:00

Welcome to episode 21 of Shibaz Hebrews, the Jewish fermenting podcasts, where we hope to discuss all things. Homebrewing, fermenting from a Jewish perspective today, we are talking about our next holiday Purim, how are you? Alison

Alison: 0:12

Uh, exhausted. How are you?

Evan: 0:16

also tired, but for a very different reasons.

Alison: 0:19

Yeah, well to everybody listening, this Sunday we changed the clocks in the United States or for us listeners. We changed the clocks. So, if you haven't lost an hour of sleep yet, make sure you do so, so that you don't show up to like everything an hour too late, early.

Evan: 0:41

Early.

Alison: 0:42

Early. I'm tired. I'm really tired.

Evan: 0:45

Yeah, we both, we both, obviously both had daylight savings times because we don't live in Arizona and we've also both lost an hour due to times to flying to a different time zone.

Alison: 0:56

Yeah.

Evan: 0:58

So,

Alison: 0:59

So, side note.

Evan: 1:01

this episode comes out on Purim.

Alison: 1:04

Yeah. Hung. So may I ask everyone? can I, before we start on Purim and in a quick tangent, well, we'll see how quick it is. Anyways, The thing about a daylight savings is that if you want to stay permanently, not on daylight savings, if a state decides that they don't want to stay on daylight savings and they want to permanently beyond standard time, they're allowed to do that. You basically just need the state law, like the state legislature to that on it. However, If you want to stay permanently on daylight savings time and you have to get congressional approval for that. So a couple of years ago, Florida had a proposal for something that it was called, like a sunshine standard time or something to that effect. And Florida passed a bill. Like in the state legislature saying that we want to exclusively be on, daylight savings time. It, there was some reason for it where it made a lot more sense in Florida specifically. And I, and I read up about it cause I was a Florida resident at that time. And I was like, oh, that sounds like a great idea. Like this actually makes sense. And that. I, as a general rule, want to fight Benjamin Franklin at any given opportunity. Daylight savings is no exception. the bill ended up getting like the U S Congress basically tabled it. They were like, we're not dealing with this. so it never actually ended up happening, but I think it's kind of funny that like, if Arizona decides that they don't want to do daylight savings, that's no problem. Nobody cares. They just stay on standard time. They don't need approval for it. If, if misery decided to do the same thing tomorrow, they could do that, with no issues, but staying on daylight savings time. can't get approval. Like you need to get approval for, and, and Congress won't give it.

Evan: 3:01

Yeah, I'm curious. Why do you want to fight Benjamin Franklin and every opportunity? Our most potentially our most I centric founding father.

Alison: 3:09

Okay. So Benjamin Franklin, did a lot of things that he shouldn't have, like Eno make his ten-year-old grandson fi key in a lightning storm. he was not the one Benjamin Franklin himself was not the guy who did. he made his 10 year old grandson do it, but that's not like the original reason why I started wanting to find him. anybody who's taken a high school physics class has seen an electrical diagram. you know, or this is going

Evan: 3:39

I think I know where it's

Alison: 3:40

figured this out, this one out. Okay. So the thing about electrical diagrams is that they basically show, circuit going. from positive to negative, and it shows positive charge flowing. And this was a convention developed by Benjamin Franklin, but positive charge. Doesn't flip negative charges, what flows, positive charge stays, where it is. And, and the reason why you have the, the differences in charges depends on where the electrons are flowing. So every single electrical diagram, we have every single one of them is wrong because Benjamin Franklin decided that positive charge was what flowed and he was wrong.

Evan: 4:28

Yeah. In his slight defense, that that is absolutely a threat freezing the final four. He didn't know what was actually flowing. He made a stipulation that happened to be wrong. You had a 50, 50 chance.

Alison: 4:40

Yeah.

Evan: 4:41

We should have changed it. That.

Alison: 4:42

We should have changed. like we should have changed this very long time ago, but because it was Benjamin Franklin, we just never changed it. And like I do give Benjamin Franklin some credit for, basically there were some competing theories about how things flowed and, and how, how charged flowed way back when, and, there was one prevailing theory that.

Evan: 5:07

Yeah.

Alison: 5:07

That was that both positive and negative charges flowed. and he decided he didn't want to deal with that math just went with one. Uh, so he picked the wrong one. He was right that only one of them flows.

Evan: 5:26

Can you just put on that?

Alison: 5:28

Yeah, he was wrong. There are other things, there are plenty of certainly plenty of other things to be mad about Benjamin Franklin for, but he has made every single diagram wrong sense and it bothers me.

Evan: 5:41

I understand that. I fully understand that.

Alison: 5:46

He also was a notorious for cheating on him.

Evan: 5:52

Common law. Yeah, no, he was still cheating. I'm. I'm not, I'm not defending that part. It's just that she had been married and her husband disappeared probably too, because divorce was impossible at the time. And so they were never actually married.

Alison: 6:05

Yeah. but also that was pretty standard. I, was reading this book a while ago called legends lies and cherish mess of world history, which is maybe not the number one most. You book around. Cause it's kind of written in a little bit of a funny manner. It's very tongue in cheek, but it was, is an interesting read. It's a fun read. and it does actually go into, a little bit of a deep dive about. in England and the 15 hundreds, which is again, not, not the American revolution era call us, or almost you

Evan: 6:41

no it's rendered

Alison: 6:43

Yeah. You know, there are 300 years apart, but at one point, the church decided to do a survey. and they discovered that less than half of people had an actual church. They just kind of decided they were married and moved in. Like that was how it was done. You didn't have a formal wedding because it was a lot of pomp and circumstance and people didn't have the time or the money for that. You just like go and build a house together and be done with it.

Evan: 7:10

Yeah.

Alison: 7:11

So, our concept of marriage has evolved a lot over the years

Evan: 7:17

Yes.

Alison: 7:18

and now. I guess let's get in to talking about a guy who took thousands of concubines,

Evan: 7:26

Yes, that's right. We're going to talk about, and

Alison: 7:30

read the book of Esther folks. That's beds.

Evan: 7:33

out to there, the book of Esther, though, do you want to know from a bit of a historical perspective on the book?

Alison: 7:40

uh, Xerxes.

Evan: 7:43

Yeah, Xerxes is the more modern pronunciation of,

Alison: 7:48

And also, if you read like an actual history book, as opposed to the book of Esther, you will see him refer. I think he's there because he's the second,

Evan: 7:58

Xerxes the first? I had to double check that I thought he was searched. He's the second as well,

Alison: 8:02

well, I

Evan: 8:04

at least according to everyone's favorite source of reliable information, would it be.

Alison: 8:08

uh, classic, I mean, Another historical figure. I would like to fight us, but that's a side note.

Evan: 8:18

I mean,

Alison: 8:19

can get into that another time.

Evan: 8:20

Oh yeah. Oh, I'd like to fight him too. His theories on wall, everything. You're crazy.

Alison: 8:26

Yes.

Evan: 8:27

I'm sure we will tangent on that at some point, because yeah.

Alison: 8:32

Because when, in doubt do not believe the man riding around on a donkey who writes down every story he hear.

Evan: 8:40

Yeah,

Alison: 8:40

Sometimes he might be right. But a lot of the time he's not.

Evan: 8:44

Hurghada this and Galen where the basis for Madison for way too long.

Alison: 8:49

Yeah.

Evan: 8:50

I mean, I'm sure one of the things you want to find them on is the, the term in theory, hysteria,

Alison: 8:57

Oh my God.

Evan: 9:00

Richard read one of her out of this, this text in a Roman history class. I mean it relevant for, you know, history.

Alison: 9:08

I think that maybe you should be grouped with a, that book. I mentioned legends lies and cherish myths.

Evan: 9:15

yes, but I mean, talk to you about it from a historical perspective and seeing what not is a valid reading of it, not

Alison: 9:22

Yeah.

Evan: 9:23

medicine and there are people who I'll just put it this way. Some of the wellness and holistic views on medic. Not all, but a lot of them are

Alison: 9:33

off of gala.

Evan: 9:34

or, yeah, they're closer to Galen and Heraclitus then, modern, John Snow, Grey's anatomy, the actual test, and while, you know, any modern to, the, the journal nature and the journal and the Lancet.

Alison: 9:48

Yeah. Well,

Evan: 9:50

Well,

Alison: 9:51

let's actually talk about perm at some point, because I am going to follow this.

Evan: 9:57

Yeah, let, let let's talk about a Purim, which is about, why don't we sleep, how we pronounce this in Hebrew, because that is not what I remember

Alison: 10:06

What, what are you trying to say?

Evan: 10:09

The old person for some reason is, um, I was missing up with Hanukkah and, uh, and T office.

Alison: 10:15

Yeah. we're at

Evan: 10:18

Yes, they both are non Hebrew names translated into ancient Hebrew, but the, do you want to give her the short story or the short, this pitch of what happens or should I, shall I.

Alison: 10:31

Okay, Jewish holidays can be generally grouped into a couple of different ways. There's harvest festival. There's a new year holiday surrounding a new year. And then there is they trying to kill us. We won. there are also fast days, which can generally be categorized as they tried to kill us. They killed a fair number of us. Let's fast. of them, there was some overlap between these different categories. Purim, has an exception to that fast day rule, basically. there was this. King in of the Persian empire named a hot, fresh fate Roche or is or Xerxes. and, he had a big party to celebrate his rule and he asked that his queen Vashti appear in front of, in front of him and his partying bruised. and she refused and there a lot of different commentators on why, who talk about why, whether or not she was, asked to appear, you know, only her crown, which is kind of a very common reading. in recent years, she's become a little bit of a feminist icon. And like, there are all sorts of feminist interpretations of this. Anyways. There's a lot of interesting stuff to discuss about her, but, clash of errors basically says, screw you, I'm banishing, you vanishes her. And then collects has his, his folks collect all the pretty maidens from around the entire empire. And one of the woman, one of these pretty maidens that he Krulak's is a Jewish woman named. and Esther has an uncle is racing her named Morta high. She goes and joins this. You'll hear it called a beauty pageant, but I mean, you can, you can kind of guess how it goes. anyways, uh, uh, hush Ferus picks her to be the. and there's this bad guy named c'mon who, who wants to destroy the Jews and, decides that he really, he especially hates mortify Esther's uncle. but he wants to destroy all of the Jews and he convinced us the king tool, like give him a higher position of power and he sets up everything in motion to basically have a massacre of the dues. and the Jews find out about this, Esther, and mortify pleads with Aster to, Convinced the king to not have this happen and through like a series of, of parties and her wits, Esther, convinces the king, that Han is the bad guy and, that, Jews should not be killed. So. She like, she risks her life to save all of the Jews she successful. There are a bunch of side plots going on there.

Evan: 13:41

But you as much like, us, it's hard to tell a direct story. We get too many

Alison: 13:45

yeah. Yeah. There's a bunch of tangents in there. it's not a long, it's not a long read. it's pretty quick. It's. 10 chapters, but some of them are pretty short. and there is a tradition to read it twice on perm, once in the evening and once, once on the evening on a call or a forum, and once in the day, on the actual, like daytime of Purim, and people you're supposed to listen to the whole thing, People find all sorts of ways to try and make the reading. Interesting. I was, I used to read a chapter six and there's a section that you do as a lullaby and you read it like a conversation I've seen bits acted out, basically you try and keep it engaging for people. You boo. Whenever Hemanth name is said. I mean, honestly, if you're listening to this podcast, you probably know most of this.

Evan: 14:40

Yeah, I, we don't, we don't actually know how many of our listeners are Jewish versus not, but yes,

Alison: 14:46

Yeah, we have no idea.

Evan: 14:48

we have no idea. So we want to provide at least some background.

Alison: 14:51

So there

Evan: 14:51

at least one non jury listens to the podcast. Hi, John.

Alison: 14:54

Hi. So there is my semi rambly summary of the book of Esther.

Evan: 15:03

Yes.

Alison: 15:04

but it is. It's short. It's a, it's a quick read. and it's, it's got some interesting bits in there.

Evan: 15:13

Yeah.

Alison: 15:15

I happen to think the trope is very nice if you are listening to It

Evan: 15:20

It is a very nice book. I mean, it's also very short and as little kids listen through the entire thing, it's not that long,

Alison: 15:27

Yeah. Yeah.

Evan: 15:28

we, we met, we mentioned Harmon and you're supposed to a blot out his name as they say. So noise makers of all sorts of kinds, booing stomping yelling to.

Alison: 15:39

when you, when you do a reading, you prepare for a reading like it's, I, I used to. read like regular Saturday readings. and everybody's quiet for those. I mean, obviously you got some people whispering around with people talking. They're always gonna,

Evan: 15:58

Breaking news.

Alison: 15:59

McGill at Esther, like as a general, with the exception of the kids, it's very, very quiet except for c'mon and you learn to read with breaks and you learn how you pause, to make sure that everybody can hear every word and, and make sure that, you know, you don't have people screaming over you whenever her mom's name is ed. so it's, I don't know. It's you gotta have, There's like additional things that you have to think about. reading Magilla is one of the form it's fuzz of Purim. and the other, some of the other ones are kind of more relevant ones for this podcast. So the four mitzvahs or like the, the good beads specifically or commandments, is I guess a little bit more direct to the translation. The four myths vote of our, reading, the Magilla hearing and Mikela, Suda, which is, a feast. So you're supposed to have a feast. there is Michelle off my note, which is where you give basically a gift basket to a friend and they traditionally have. A couple of different types of food in there. You don't want to like exclusively give candy. You'll give like a cookie and I don't know an orange, but you want like an assortment of different things. You don't want to talk to the same. And the fourth one is which is to donate money so that other people can have food. That's east.

Evan: 17:33

sometimes, get people to refer to Purim is reverse Halloween because also with the feast and a lot of the other traditions that have come along, costumes

Alison: 17:45

Yeah. So one of the things that's done on prem and, and you hear often in regards to the present, so you hear the term, the NAFA flu, which means everything was bad. Everything was flipped backwards. Everything is topsy turvy people, people work costumes, people get drunk. And the idea is that you should be, so drunk that you can't tell the villain from the hero.

Evan: 18:13

Yeah.

Alison: 18:14

so this is very much a holiday associated with alcohol.

Evan: 18:19

Yes, very

Alison: 18:20

Very, very much

Evan: 18:21

And also has caused some people to call Purim, compare it to St. Patrick's day,

Alison: 18:26

Which

Evan: 18:27

or Yom Yom St. Patrick's. Ha. And today, and this year they fall on the same day,

Alison: 18:32

Yeah.

Evan: 18:33

which is fine.

Alison: 18:34

So, they come the same time of the year. There's a lot of associations, but, but Yes. perhaps celebrations tend to be exuberant.

Evan: 18:43

Yes.

Alison: 18:44

Let's go with that. but it's a, it's a happy holiday. it takes place in the month of Aadhaar, uh, which another saying, um, which basically means, who enters Aadhaar, will be like grown in happiness.

Evan: 19:07

Yes. And this one this year, we got two of them.

Alison: 19:09

Yeah, this is a leap year. So we have on our Aleph and other bet. So what are one, another two? And in leap years, perm takes place in the second one. And this is basically done to make sure that the lunar calendar stays kind of vaguely in the same place.

Evan: 19:27

Yeah, because yeah, unlike the Gregorian calendar we use the moon, the only thing in the regarding calendar that is based on the moon is. And while, I guess then technically lent as well, but Eastern Easter derived things, and unlike the Islamic calendar, we still care about the seasons. So this year Ramadan is coming up soon. I can't say much more than that. Cause, and then that's perfect. But anyone, if anyone listens to celebrating that it was show up happy. I think Ramadan.

Alison: 19:55

Uh, it's Ramadan Mubarak.

Evan: 19:58

Yes, that that is the phrase.

Alison: 20:00

No. When you were going for

Evan: 20:01

Yes. I was trying to remember what the appropriate terminology to add to that. You don't wish somebody a happy home to poor. So,

Alison: 20:07

no,

Evan: 20:08

so I was trying to remember the appropriate phrasing,

Alison: 20:11

yeah.

Evan: 20:12

but I know that it's coming up soon for any, anyone who celebrates, who listens.

Alison: 20:16

Yeah. I mean, Mendez, maybe not the proper time to be fermenting alcohol.

Evan: 20:24

correct. Um, at least based on my knowledge,

Alison: 20:27

Yeah.

Evan: 20:28

but we, are a Jewish podcast and, so w to now it's a little late to start a brief report, though.

Alison: 20:36

Yes. I guess you could maybe no, there's really nothing you, can do. That would be three days.

Evan: 20:44

Nope,

Alison: 20:45

Like

Evan: 20:46

unless you have a Tardis,

Alison: 20:48

you can make some cheese.

Evan: 20:50

you could make cheese that would technically be fermented and you are supposed to feast. And in a lot of Jewish holidays, we celebrate with dairy meals.

Alison: 20:58

Yeah. I don't think I. Historically, at least I don't know of dairy foods associated with quorum.

Evan: 21:10

I don't know, there's not a specific dairy food, like some other holidays, but in general, we do celebrate a lot with dairy food, which is ironic given, you know, Jews and dairy

Alison: 21:23

I have eaten a lot of. Okay. What I'm doing for perm this year, that we're having a little perm party. If, if you know me and you live in the area, you're welcome to come. but I am going to make a bunch of like portion Jewish dishes. so as I have mentioned previously, I don't really eat meat. So I'm going to make laugh machine. with some impossible meat and a couple other things, maybe more often cigar or rockin cigars, but like I was taught how to make them by a Syrian Jew.

Evan: 22:05

Hm.

Alison: 22:06

So I don't know.

Evan: 22:10

Yeah. Are you making and Tasha.

Alison: 22:13

probably I. And probably having my roommate because she makes really good hamantaschen though, like eight plus hamantaschen dome maker.

Evan: 22:26

So we mentioned him on the villain of the story. These are a traditional Turkey that you might get on Purim, which Jew, who has it all on Twitter, who we've mentioned before, had a very funny parody of talking about girl scout, Hamann session.

Alison: 22:39

Yeah. Girl scout, cookies, side note, the new adventure falls, very tasty, great. And a glass of milk.

Evan: 22:49

But Hamann, Sasha, as I was saying. So these come about from parts of the apocryphal part additions to the story. What about Hamas, depending on who you asked yet? A three cornered hat or a three cornered.

Alison: 23:02

I think ear is like, I think the hat thing is a more recent thing and that like the older story is that is the ears.

Evan: 23:11

Some people also say the three cornered pocket, which is what the name comes from. None of them makes that much sense. Three cornered think is the oldest of the, of the

Alison: 23:21

That's all it is.

Evan: 23:22

stories, which I still not sure how someone has a three-quarter dear.

Alison: 23:27

I don't, I think it was just pointed. I don't even know if it was three. I thought it was just like, oh, he had a, a pointy ear. He had Spock ears.

Evan: 23:37

Yeah.

Alison: 23:37

So Spock was Jewish, so,

Evan: 23:39

Phillips spot was Jewish and a good guy.

Alison: 23:41

and deserves better than to be compared to that man.

Evan: 23:44

Yes.

Alison: 23:45

Fine. He had a Romulan ear

Evan: 23:47

Get around me linear. the

Alison: 23:49

good at talking about perm today.

Evan: 23:52

there's something from star Trek, wholesome posting. I'll send you later. It was

Alison: 23:55

Okay. there is also a Facebook group called the star Trek Jew posting. Yeah. So if you are listening to this. Like star Trek, like we are trying to convince you to do clearly. it's good. Good.

Evan: 24:14

Yeah. but so these are the crutches I mentioned earlier, and they are triangle shaped and filled with many different things. some of times which generates debates, which is they're both sweet and savory and while all sorts of flavors.

Alison: 24:27

Yeah. I've had some. Really good ones. there's also basically there's debate about how the dose should be to like whether or not it should be a stiffer. No, like more with the consistency of a gingerbread, I guess, would be a way to describe it or if it should be more of a, more of like a buttery short cookie.

Evan: 24:52

I

Alison: 24:53

do you have an opinion on this.

Evan: 24:54

my opinion is that it depends on the

Alison: 24:59

I like, I go with that.

Evan: 25:02

so.

Alison: 25:02

also like, so there's like, there's some great alignment charts of

Evan: 25:07

Oh, yes, there are line trends, especially on the flavors.

Alison: 25:10

yeah, I've made like, I mean, normal Tasha in a couple of different ways. I think the most scandalous hamantaschen I've ever met. It was when my older sister who is a weekend, and, Decided to make a batch of common Taschen, that were vegan and we made vegan chocolate, chocolate cookie dough. And then Phil does it look like we baked them and we had to make like these little tinfoil molds to get them to keep their shape. And we baked them empty in like raised triangle form. And then we filled them with Rocky. And the reason why I emphasize vegan here is because, you can eat as like, as long as you toast the flour beforehand. you can just eat vegan cookie dough as much of it as you want. You can just keep it, like I have made batches of it and frozen it and scooped it like ice cream and it's killer. And nobody is going to yell at you about something.

Evan: 26:18

Yeah, no, it didn't end. You do have to toast the flour

Alison: 26:21

You do have to chose to flower.

Evan: 26:22

that, that is correct though. Honestly, eggs are, let's say for the most people think

Alison: 26:26

Yeah. Flower is

Evan: 26:27

the flowers, the more dangerous.

Alison: 26:29

Yeah. Flour for every money who is worried about salmonella from my eggs. You, are more at risk from raw flour on cooked flour than you are from eggs in the United States, at least. but anyways, we filled, we. hamantaschen filled with chocolate chip cookie dough.

Evan: 26:50

Well, that

Alison: 26:50

And it was amazing. And every time I seen the alignment chart, I'm like, I don't know where we go here,

Evan: 26:59

Yeah, visually another dimension. You need a cube.

Alison: 27:03

but it was worth.

Evan: 27:05

That sounds

Alison: 27:05

were really good. I have no idea what happened to the recipe we used. I think we w we just like, had a couple of different cookie dough recipes that we can mine for it, but they were very good.

Evan: 27:17

Yeah. What do you think about a poppy seed, which is a traditional flavor that is controversial.

Alison: 27:22

It is traditional. And to quote letter, Kenny, you don't fuck what you're doing. I just, don't really like poppy seeds that much. I don't hate them. I just to be clear, I have no dislike for poppy seeds at all. I just think that they have more of a textural element than anything else. And I would rather eat something else.

Evan: 27:47

And that is very fair.

Alison: 27:49

Like. Not worth the calories of a poppy seed cookie. When I could be having a new teller one,

Evan: 27:59

That is very fair. The ones my mom traditionally made were cherry and apricot.

Alison: 28:05

we did apple pot cherry, or no apricots, raspberry or strawberry and chocolate chocolate chip Nutella. last year I made. Raspberry and Nutella, like it would be a dollop of Nutella and a dollop of jam in there. And that I think was like the move they were really good.

Evan: 28:29

Yeah. I mean, you tell us Nutella on its own is amazing, but it's, it's dense.

Alison: 28:35

Yes. And it is elevated very nicely by a dollar procrastination.

Evan: 28:42

It sounds like it. We've already covered the, trying to think we've already covered the drinking, but you're supposed to drink a lot on this holiday. This is the most drunken of Jewish holidays.

Alison: 28:51

But as always, we would like to remind you to please drink responsibly. This is a holiday for drinking and eating. So make sure you have plenty of starch and also make sure you keep yourself well hydrated

Evan: 29:03

Yes. If you, um,

Alison: 29:08

There are card you, but, please follow your local legal restrictions.

Evan: 29:13

that is correct. Yes. No, don't don't be an idiot.

Alison: 29:16

Yes.

Evan: 29:18

but because of the over Ashley overlays with St. Patrick's state this year, um, did I send you the horrible bagel that bagel, the Bailey's was making the.

Alison: 29:28

The what now?

Evan: 29:30

Bill like Bailey's Irish cream.

Alison: 29:31

Well, let me check. I am not seeing anything resell.

Evan: 29:37

Okay. I'll tell him, I'll copy it to you. But Bailey's the liquor company, partnered with some bagel maker in New York to make this disgusting looking bagel. It was on both Twitter and doing this. The Beatles is incredibly offensive to my people, Facebook group, which is another fun Facebook group for anyone who likes bagels and you know, food not being completely mad.

Alison: 30:00

Yeah. If you do want, to see some food abominations, Marisa, wait a minute. This is not flavor town. Where am I?

Evan: 30:16

That is hilarious.

Alison: 30:19

That's a good one. I? I might not have gotten the name exactly right,

Evan: 30:23

It's not that, that sounds funny though. but what was I thinking

Alison: 30:27

oh my God.

Evan: 30:30

I will try and link to the tweet in

Alison: 30:31

Oh,

Evan: 30:32

description. In the show notes, there will hopefully be a link to

Alison: 30:36

Y

Evan: 30:43

So as the new Yorker, do you want to, just got to read this.

Alison: 30:47

okay. this week is the Irish, the Jewish and Irish diasporas can come together to agree that this. is some Protestant narrative. and then there's a, there's a link from timeout.com with the title, a famous NYC bagel is getting a delicious Bailey's upgrade for St. Patrick's day. the bangle in question has bright green and they have Bailey's cream cheese.

Evan: 31:11

Yeah. So Bailey's cream cheese on its own. Doesn't

Alison: 31:13

There are black and white cookies that are green and white,

Evan: 31:17

No just now

Alison: 31:18

which okay. I don't hate so much as I'm annoyed that there's no chocolate one.

Evan: 31:25

that's fair.

Alison: 31:27

Like, I'm not, I'm not, I don't have a problem with the green and white, like, go for it, have fun. But like, I don't want to even, cause there's no chocolate on it.

Evan: 31:36

Hmm. That's the problem.

Alison: 31:39

Yeah.

Evan: 31:39

there's some Irish coffees, which.

Alison: 31:43

I mean, I'm not a coffee

Evan: 31:44

Yes, I would drink that. Now that that is the least messed up. Part of it. What I am also advised there's some blocks in the corner of the image.

Alison: 31:52

Yeah, there was locks in the corner of the image. So you're putting Bailey's cream cheese with locks on top, which is, I guess, certainly a vibe. I don't like the vibe, but it's certainly alive. Yes, it is. some Protestant nourish.

Evan: 32:14

yeah. So if you want to, the, the shortlist of what you should not do to bagels includes coloring them.

Alison: 32:19

Um, there are some like acceptable colorings for them and I'm like, you know what, go for it. Like I've had, I've had a turmeric bagel or an egg bagel before and they turn out to be yellow

Evan: 32:33

Yeah, but that's, that's like a normal ingredient, like a normal-ish ingredient. You'd include, it's not artificial food coloring.

Alison: 32:41

If you decided to make a spirulina bagel, because you liked the taste of spirulina and wanted to put it in a bagel. I wouldn't approve, but I wouldn't be offended by

Evan: 32:53

Yeah. It's actually.

Alison: 32:54

Like if it's incidental that something changes color and it happens to be like kind of garish, you know, go for it. But like when you take something that's like newly. And you go, I'm going to make it in green and then keep digging that hole. Like if you there's also like so many elements here that just like go downhill. If you had just made the bagel green, I would be like, and that's a, that's the St Patrick's big gimmick and I'm annoyed by it, but like, whatever, but they had to dig that hole.

Evan: 33:39

Nagle's or not the Chicago river.

Alison: 33:43

No bagels or not the Chicago river. if you want to do something catchy, like, okay. I guess, but like, this is like you saw the hole And you decided it mean to be three times the size with Bailey's cream cheese and blocks. Like, yes. Okay. I don't eat fish, but like yes, lox goes on top of bagels. Understood. But

Evan: 34:11

no, Bailey's

Alison: 34:12

Bailey

Evan: 34:13

Bailey's and cream cheese go together. Well, I've had many good Bailey's cheesecakes.

Alison: 34:20

Yeah. Delicious,

Evan: 34:22

But not on a bagel,

Alison: 34:24

uh, bagel, guys,

Evan: 34:25

a bagel.

Alison: 34:28

this like I L I like a sweet cream cheese. Sure. But I'm not going to put locks on top of my blueberry shmear.

Evan: 34:37

Oh, it's no everything. Yeah. Every time I look at this image, I find something else wrong with it.

Alison: 34:47

Yeah.

Evan: 34:48

least it looks that they boiled the bait.

Alison: 34:51

Yes.

Evan: 34:51

If they didn't boil the Beatles though, I could say those aren't bagels and be happier

Alison: 34:55

Yeah. But no, those do look like actual world bagels. I have, we talked about bangles on this podcast.

Evan: 35:04

in general. Yes. We talked about it with Jewish breads. I believe we couldn't do a whole episode. We, we need to find somebody who wants to defend the Montreal bagel.

Alison: 35:12

Uh, how many people, you know, from Montreal,

Evan: 35:16

I have a cousin that lives there.

Alison: 35:18

he like bagel?

Evan: 35:20

Uh, I think so, but she's also from New York originally, so.

Alison: 35:25

no That one's not gonna work. Okay. If you are listening to this podcast and you are a defender of the Montreal bagel, or at the very least non eight crashidy New York Jew who has not had enough sleep and is angry about bagels, also known as me. let us know if you'd like to do a bagel debate with us since.

Evan: 35:49

That would be very fun to do or, or especially if we can get, or is there some other known type of bagel we've not discussed and we will not be taking applications for people who would, believe in the St. Louis cup bagel

Alison: 36:03

Oh my God.

Evan: 36:05

just now.

Alison: 36:05

We're not talking about that.

Evan: 36:07

Yeah.

Alison: 36:08

Okay. I do think, bialys are very tasty. I do like a good bialy. It's not a bagel, but it's too.

Evan: 36:16

Yeah. They're,

Alison: 36:17

to be Ali.

Evan: 36:18

they're their own thing. They're separate,

Alison: 36:21

I genuinely don't know if I've ever had a Montreal bagel.

Evan: 36:25

nor have I, because I've never been to bone trail. I want to go,

Alison: 36:27

Nope. Yeah. I've never been to Montreal.

Evan: 36:30

I've heard it's a pretty place and they have a hockey team.

Alison: 36:33

Yeah, but I go Leafs.

Evan: 36:35

Yeah. It didn't have a great day from what I saw.

Alison: 36:38

No, they did not.

Evan: 36:40

isn't your goalie out.

Alison: 36:42

Yeah.

Evan: 36:44

I don't understand how Peter Morris gets stolen the lead, just, I

Alison: 36:48

Neither do I I am not, as my friend says, Mirasol dazzled by him.

Evan: 36:58

That is a wonderful phrase.

Alison: 37:01

The friend in question is a Redwings fan who is very happy to no longer have Pete and lab.

Evan: 37:08

So I was talking with a friend of mine. Who's also a Redwings fan and he is also very happy not to feed them or ask anymore.

Alison: 37:14

yet we have them. Kyle, why did you do this to us?

Evan: 37:22

I mean, I know he's going to be a better goalie than I am because I'm not a dollar, but he's one of the worst strollers in the lead. I'm sorry. Any NHL

Alison: 37:29

you don't need to.

Evan: 37:30

but I can still say, I can say that and still say he's a horrible rolling for the.

Alison: 37:35

Yeah.

Evan: 37:38

Do you have anything else on Purim before both of us trying to get rested?

Alison: 37:45

try to get some sleep,

Evan: 37:48

Yes. According to some rabbis, you don't actually have to drink that much and you can just go to sleep early.

Alison: 37:56

A point where of like being awake, where you're no longer legally allowed to drive a car.

Evan: 38:02

Yes, I have. Well, not technically. it depends on the state and how jurisdiction has done. Yes, you can hazard you would, you wouldn't be booked for something like driving under the influence. It would be both for hazardous driving.

Alison: 38:15

Yeah.

Evan: 38:16

And if you're a heavy truck driver, then yes, there's an

Alison: 38:18

Then there's a lot of flaws about

Evan: 38:20

Then there's a lot more laws about how long you got.

Alison: 38:22

Hmm. Wow. I actually haven't set up, I still need to set up my next brew,

Evan: 38:33

do I, I will be hopefully doing that soon, here, here soon

Alison: 38:37

yeah, I will hopefully be doing that this week. I'm going to get some lavender in there.

Evan: 38:45

and enjoyed it, honey, and drive all the way across the Metro to get yeast or ordered online.

Alison: 38:51

Or new online. That's easier. Anyways, even though we have. brewed it, he bird. And now it's time for you to reel Kareem some ass, please drink responsibly and have a wonderful fog.