Episode 17: Tu B’Shvat

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Evan: 0:00

Welcome to episode 17 of She Brews. Hebrews is Jewish fermenting podcasts, where we hope to discuss all things Homebrew and your fermenting today, we're talking about Tu B'Shavat. I'm your host, Evan Harris. And with me today is my co-host Alison Shea.

Alison: 0:12

How you doing?

Evan: 0:14

Uh, doing pretty well, getting ready to move a bunch of stuff. What about yourself?

Alison: 0:21

I am. Preparing for a power outage. as has been mentioned previously, I live in North Carolina, where we are currently dealing with a winter storm. We've had a lot of ice, a lot of snow, or at least relatively for here. and since the power lines are, they're not buried here. We are fully expecting some power outages. I know some people here have already lost power. I haven't, but hoping for the best eating and drinking, toasting warm things and preparation.

Evan: 0:52

Yes. Hopefully the power stays on, but always be prepared and be safe is more important than anything else.

Alison: 0:59

yup. So for what I'm drinking today, it is a big mug of hot chocolate

Evan: 1:05

Yeah,

Alison: 1:06

and you.

Evan: 1:07

great. My, my, my sister and her fiance were doing a lot of hot chocolate and the Mets can not chocolate over the last few weeks.

Alison: 1:15

Because they are correct.

Evan: 1:17

Yes. Have you ever had the Mexican hotter?

Alison: 1:20

I have had Mexican hot cocoa on good.

Evan: 1:24

I did not have much because my pancreas, but it is good.

Alison: 1:28

No. my roommate got some white hot chocolate, which is not great. So I added a whole load of chocolate chips in there to like give it some actual chocolate. And it's pretty good this way.

Evan: 1:41

Interesting.

Alison: 1:43

Well, too watery,

Evan: 1:44

Yeah,

Alison: 1:44

but

Evan: 1:46

white hot chocolate just sounds like a warm fat.

Alison: 1:53

Yeah, it's not, it's pretty bland. Hence all of the chocolate I added.

Evan: 1:58

Yeah.

Alison: 1:59

If you hear me eating, I made, in my pressure cooker, a batch of pumpkin risotto and I topped It with some goat cheese and it is delicious.

Evan: 2:08

It sounds to me, it looks good from what I can see as well,

Alison: 2:11

I'm giving him the recipe to go on the shutter.

Evan: 2:14

that that will go in and I'm sure. My family at least will want to make it.

Alison: 2:20

Really good. I added a bay leaf.

Evan: 2:22

Ooh, that's always good for anything stupid. Like.

Alison: 2:29

Super easy would recommend though. I think things going on tonight. you're not in a place like I am, there is a ton of snow and ice outside. it just started snowing again. so the hail stopped for a little while, at least, tonight, the night that we are recording is the beginning of, to be shot. And as the 15th of the month of spot. and also we've mentioned previously, that there are a number of different new years, throughout the Jewish calendar. And this one is the new year for trees. And if you are in a place like the Lavant or Israel more specifically, now it would be, when you would be preparing for planting season, Again, not here for either one of us.

Evan: 3:15

none of the places I've been recently,

Alison: 3:18

yeah, but for an agricultural society, this is huge. This is an important part of your ear. you are celebrating, making your way through the winter, and celebrating the year to come. making sure you've got everything ready. So.

Evan: 3:33

And so some of the trees in the Lavant would be starting to bloom. Apparently the Allmand trees bloom very early. According to, as I mentioned earlier, our, before recording, the new podcast, klutz pod from Joshua Molina.

Alison: 3:47

Yeah. So there's lots of like traditions to do with the. With trees, in addition to a, to a traditional Seder Seder literally means order, but pretty much just a dinner with some fancy aspects to it. so you do that and also people, often plant trees or dedicate trees today. you'll see it sometimes on calendars listed as Jewish Arbor day. And I mean, I guess it's a cute name in English. I don't think we've fully encapsulates what it is. but it's a great day. If you wanted to plant a tree or you wanted to dedicate a tree or donate to, I don't know, forest regrowth, today was really nice day to do that.

Evan: 4:34

Yeah. Don't plant a tree today in either of the places we are.

Alison: 4:38

No,

Evan: 4:39

Again, this is all it is dependent on the weather, but part of the reason that, we have a new year for trees is that. In the turnoff there instructions about when you can take fruit from a tree and how many years the tree has to be old, the or hat the tree has to be. So instead of recording every tree's birthday or when it was planted, you say all trees are this. So if you planted a tree yesterday as a recording, it is one today.

Alison: 5:08

Yeah. It's like with race horses. Oh

Evan: 5:12

so it's definitely, I was

Alison: 5:12

yeah. Every purebred thoroughbred. One of. the two

Evan: 5:16

Thoroughbred for resources, dog dogs are purebred resources are thoroughbreds.

Alison: 5:22

Well, okay. but anyways, any thoroughbred horse shares the same birthday? I don't remember what the same birthday is.

Evan: 5:31

actually not quite the same. There are two because it's based on the hemisphere horses in the Northern hemisphere. Horses in the Northern hemisphere or all November 1st horses in the Southern hemisphere. All April 1st.

Alison: 5:42

Well, same shtick. I mean, whatever hemisphere you're in, I guess, happy birthday to your horse.

Evan: 5:52

exactly.

Alison: 5:54

but, This isn't the Jewish calendar, the horse birthday for trees. also, take talker then I found, uh, and then I have come across a couple of times, Jews who have trees.

Evan: 6:08

I think you've seen him on Instagram.

Alison: 6:10

I think it's great.

Evan: 6:13

I think it's on re resurrecting a Bonzai on Instagram.

Alison: 6:18

Yeah, He has a bonsai garden.

Evan: 6:19

Yeah, Instagram sometimes thinks I'm interested in bonds at which it is sometimes accurate about

Alison: 6:25

All right. Great. my family is a little bit nervous about I'm not the storm. I'm like, I'll be fine, guys. I got, I got batteries. I got plenty of food. Actually. I have cat who, oh my God. If I, if the power goes out and I ended up swaddling. Evan's sister had to swaddle their, their late kitty a couple of years ago. And oh boy.

Evan: 6:51

it was

Alison: 6:51

so cute.

Evan: 6:53

There is a, there are several amazing subreddits for cats like that. one of them is tucked in kitties, but my favorite has to be Pareto.

Alison: 7:02

Oh my God. I love it.

Evan: 7:04

I will try and link to both of those in the show notes because they're just too cute.

Alison: 7:08

Yeah. Lou will not be super happy about it. not keep your boy warm. okay. Back to, to be spot God.

Evan: 7:18

the best day for cats.

Alison: 7:19

Yes. anyways, so the dinner thing, we covered the plant a tree also, I guess it would be a nice time. If you've got seeds or something, you can start planting it indoors

Evan: 7:32

Yeah. If you have the capabilities, this would be a good time to start seeding a lot of fruits and a lot of trees. Uh, I think it might be too early for peppers and tomatoes, depending on when your last frost is, but for a fruit tree now would be a good time. If you've been cold stratifying, the seeds to start bringing them out.

Alison: 7:54

well, just to be clear where I live, this is probably our only frost at the winter.

Evan: 7:57

That that is true. I'm thinking for the Midwest and mountain and mountainous zones that I've lived in recent.

Alison: 8:06

Yeah. Anyways, can we shot Seders? Okay. We will get eventually from point a to point B. Even if we have to go through a point see-through Z to get there in

Evan: 8:21

And out C through Z alpha through omega.

Alison: 8:26

are we doing alpha through omega. Are we doing AA? B.

Evan: 8:31

I would draw. I would go, you have to go through at least Greek and Hebrew letters and Cyrillic, and then you go back to double letters.

Alison: 8:39

Okay. And you can do that anyways. Like I was saying before to me, spot Seders, basically in dinner, there. I don't know, everybody seems to have different ways of doing it. I've I've been to a couple that were a little bit different, but the two big things that I've, I've seen as the similarity is where, you have four, like at the Passover Seder, you four glasses of wine or grape juice. don't have to be big. They're usually pretty small. if you are a wine connoisseur, cover your ears here. because you start with red or wait, so you do it like various shit. It's like getting to darker shades of red. So you start with white, then you do white with a little bit of red added to. Then you do red with some white in it, and then you do full red. and this represents, the changing of the seasons. So white for winter white, with red, for spring, red with some white for late, for like late spring slash summer, and then red for like the heat of the summer and harvest time. and you just kinda, you go through these as a represent representation of, The year, according to the trees, which is kind of cute. I think there are, there are other divisions that I've heard of. There are some mystical divisions, that I'm not really familiar with. Something about like The relationship between people and the earth or the land.

Evan: 10:12

The two spot Seder is actually a relatively new invention in Judaism dating back to the 16th century of the common era.

Alison: 10:20

yeah.

Evan: 10:20

So 500 years or so, and it was invented actually by a rabbi, Laurie of spot or soften. It's fun.

Alison: 10:30

And slot is a very spiritual place. some people love It? there it's, it's like in the mountains and it's, it's very airy. Like the air is different there it's, it's an unusual place. And if you get the chance to visit, I'd recommend it but maybe not stay there for too long. there's a lot of art and mysticism there. Um,

Evan: 10:53

There's like an artist colony and a lot of mistakes. I had really good schnitzel. Last time I was.

Alison: 10:59

I went to an artist's gallery and then got lost in a market. And when we saw some, little ancient synagogues, it's, it's an old city. it's a very old city.

Evan: 11:10

spots on ancient city. It's,

Alison: 11:12

it's one of the ancient cities of, of The land of

Evan: 11:17

the ancient cities of Judaism and it is one of the holier sites in Judaism.

Alison: 11:20

yes.

Evan: 11:21

Of course you should lie in being the holiest.

Alison: 11:26

Yeah. But, it is like, it's just an unusual place. I don't really know how to describe it.

Evan: 11:36

Yes. And why some people call it soften and there's about 12 different ways to spell the name in English and Latin letters. The most common and the title of Wikipedia is S a F E D S.

Alison: 11:49

Yeah, but unusual place, definitely an interesting place to check out. I feel like it's a place where people either love, love, love being there, or are like, this is interesting, but kind of weird. And I'm the second one. I know a lot of people who are the first.

Evan: 12:07

I feel like I like the area around spot more because it's now Dennis and very pretty.

Alison: 12:13

Yeah, it is very beautiful.

Evan: 12:15

And I feel like I could spend every time I've been to Israel, like a half day in spot, seems like the right amount of time,

Alison: 12:22

Yeah.

Evan: 12:22

to go look at a few new art galleries. And that's it.

Alison: 12:25

Yeah. But if you love it, then like people it's, it's a place where people up and just move there because they just love the place so much.

Evan: 12:35

Yeah. I'm pretty sure. One of the rabbis I had growing up spent a lot of time there. Like Andrew stated.

Alison: 12:41

So I would recommend checking it out if you haven't before, rabbi Luria spot is big, he's a big name in Judaism, in the 16th century.

Evan: 12:54

Although it's full name. I always forget this. I just let them the link on Wikipedia to make sure what I had it. Right. It's full name is rabbi. Isaac bin Sullivan. Lauria Austria.

Alison: 13:04

Yeah. is he actually Ashkan I doubt he's actually Ashkenazi fun fact. Most of the time when you meet somebody with the last name Ashkenazi, they are farty. I don't know if that's the case here, but

Evan: 13:18

So I think a lot of the people who are in with the last name, Austra, Ozzie were some, it's weird because the fact of. Until the 12 hundreds or so of the common era, you really, the separation was more just where you happen to be living, not a actual, and then due to the right led massacres, pushing Jews, further pushing the Jews to the further east. I think some of the people who stay up the Rheinland masters went back to the Ottoman empire, which controlled of course, what was then known as the province of Syria Palestina. We would call Israel in the Lavant.

Alison: 13:57

Excuse me.

Evan: 13:57

So I think those refugees, because again, there wasn't the hard distinction between Sparty and astronauts at the time. I think those refugees frequently picked up the name because they had come directly from being, the Rhineland NSS Loran in Europe, back to, the Ottoman empire and therefore, but when there was a more formal as it were, it's not really formal, honestly, split between the two. Or three

Alison: 14:25

there are differences. Yeah. The big, I mean, I I've met some people who had the last name Ashkenazi who are very specifically like, no, I am, I am most definitely Sparty.

Evan: 14:37

that, is my understanding of the origin of the name.

Alison: 14:40

yeah. but also the same thing goes for, for see Doreen. If you see one that says Nessa, Ashkin us. Then it's, it's not Ashkenazi. Yeah. It's just, it's a quirk of history. and I think we've reached like point L at this point on our way, on our way from point a to point B.

Evan: 15:05

That is true. One of the things though, about to spot I found very interesting in doing the bit of research for this episode is, well not that there was a debate between Hillel and Shammai, but what the debate was over.

Alison: 15:17

Huh? I mean, there's always a, between hill or lunch on my

Evan: 15:22

It's at, that's why I'm not surprised

Alison: 15:23

debate. I'd be more shocked.

Evan: 15:26

No, exactly. and so again, I guess for anybody who doesn't know, Hillel is probably the most famous Jewish scholar in history, and he was a member of the greats and Hedron in the end of basically 2000 years ago,

Alison: 15:42

I have an argument for most famous. rabbi and history,

Evan: 15:47

Okay. Who else?

Alison: 15:49

Rashi is pretty high up

Evan: 15:51

I mean, yes, I was

Alison: 15:52

monitor, you

Evan: 15:53

Yes. But if you were going to make your short list, that's going to be basically, you can't have a short list without Hillel audit.

Alison: 15:59

know, you can't have a home without a w you can't have a hello. You can't have a shortlist with that hill on it, but I feel like, we got to give, my monities a special aid and Rashi they're doing.

Evan: 16:10

Oh, absolutely. Because they are. Incredibly influential, and rightfully so. I'm actually trying to listen to a guide to the reply, a guide for the perplexed

Alison: 16:20

Oh, I know I'm about five pages in, at some point when I was in high school and decided I couldn't do it.

Evan: 16:26

Oh, I tried reading it. The audio book is slightly better, but the narrator's horrible.

Alison: 16:30

Yeah. Really interesting historical figure. My monities, traveled throughout a bunch of different areas in, he lived in Spain. He lived in Egypt. He lived in Morocco. I think he.

Evan: 16:44

So he was born in Spain, his family pretended to convert to Islam under the caliphates, then lived in Morocco, then moved to Egypt. After they moved to Israel and then to Egypt, but when they were in Israel, they of course renounced their false, conversion because they can freely be Jewish in Israel at the time

Alison: 17:05

Yeah, but like super interesting historical figure,

Evan: 17:09

doctor

Alison: 17:09

figure and historical figure doctor He was the job and doctor to, to that, like a king.

Evan: 17:16

solid

Alison: 17:17

Yeah.

Evan: 17:18

and Richard, the Lionheart asked him to come back to England with him and be his court.

Alison: 17:24

Yeah, so super prominent, super interesting historical figure. would recommend checking out a biography of his just because it's just, it's wild.

Evan: 17:35

Yeah, I will link to a good video, but it's obviously barely touched the surface of his life, but I linked to a good video of Jewish history that I've linked to the channel in the past. I'll link that in the show notes as well.

Alison: 17:47

Sweet. Thanks. Okay. Back to you to be spot.

Evan: 17:51

That's a TV spot. That's a Hillel because, so the thing Mo is probably most known for is, is outside of Jewish circles. This is golden rule, that would just harmful to you do not do on to others. Be kind, basically, um,

Alison: 18:04

Be kind to your friend on the street. okay. Um, I'll I'll send Devin a link to a song that I learned as a kid. going to be stuck in your head forever.

Evan: 18:18

So the, another historical thing, and this is somewhat relevant. There is a significant amount of theory and probably not unwarranted that Jesus or the person who the character of Jesus is based on was a student in beta.

Alison: 18:37

Hello was a little bit later than that.

Evan: 18:39

He'll all died in for CE

Alison: 18:42

Oh,

Evan: 18:43

for four to six.

Alison: 18:46

okay.

Evan: 18:46

tell all the younger was 300 years later and he's the one who, he's the one who fi who finalized the Jewish calendar. So it was fixed as opposed to being watching based on observation.

Alison: 18:56

yeah. Hey haven't have you seen the full moon recently or the new moon recently or not seen the new moon

Evan: 19:04

yeah, I've not seen the new moon recently,

Alison: 19:06

Well, I would

Evan: 19:07

the PA, which is the current state.

Alison: 19:09

Well also tonight would be the full moon, which is, I mean, we would know it's,

Evan: 19:18

That's why I said I've not seen it recently.

Alison: 19:20

spot and I definitely can't see it because it is cloudy and snowing.

Evan: 19:26

It's a little overcast here, but theoretically, you don't see the new moon. You don't see the new moon.

Alison: 19:31

I definitely have not seen the new man. I haven't seen the full moon. either.

Evan: 19:36

Um, Yes sham. I was the, the Beit Hillel house of Hillel. It was the political sort of a mix between a school and a political party in the political organization of the T in the governing organization at the time in what it was under Roman occupation. and the biggest opponent group was the bait Shammai under, Shammai another leader calling them. Rabbis is not quite accurate, but effectively.

Alison: 20:11

The term didn't really exist back then. It's, the history of, of rabbinic Judaism is an interesting one. one that we'll probably get into another time.

Evan: 20:21

Correct it the history, but in short rabbinic, Judaism started as a reaction to the loss of the temple in 70 C. but so in general, on surprisingly with his golden rule, Hillel is always about how your actions affect things. Being as kind and compassionate as possible. Shammai is a more legalist. That is probably the best terminating best summary in English.

Alison: 20:52

Yeah.

Evan: 20:54

Um, but it's like, that is a absurd simplification.

Alison: 21:02

Yeah. there, their relationship is the topic of a lot of discussion. they were very good friends, supposedly, and like their debates for legendary, their discussions were legendary. No. I mean, no, it's the annals of history, But really

Evan: 21:24

there's still discussed.

Alison: 21:25

yes, they are still discussed and still studied and, just complex historical figures as as they all are.

Evan: 21:34

absolutely. Though, in almost all cases, we go with hill ELLs, option

Alison: 21:38

with rare exceptions, we almost always follow like.

Evan: 21:42

but so, and we do in this case as well.

Alison: 21:44

Yeah.

Evan: 21:45

Do you know what thought on to Well, it wouldn't be to be spot. If we went with Shammai sham, I thought for the new year for the trees should be on the first of fat.

Alison: 21:59

So it would be all of

Evan: 22:01

I'll have to push that.

Alison: 22:02

but I don't, we definitely do not follow that.

Evan: 22:06

during the name of this episode in the holiday, we do not follow it.

Alison: 22:09

Yeah, well also by the time this, this goes up to be shot, we'll have passed, but we hope you,

Evan: 22:19

on TV spots.

Alison: 22:20

yeah. In retrospect had a good one. Stay warm,

Evan: 22:25

Yes.

Alison: 22:25

stay cozy.

Evan: 22:27

So I, one thing I was thinking about back while doing prepping for the subsidy, I never, as I said, I've never done a TV spot Seder. The only time I can ever recall. Celebrating anything for two Fox is in fourth or fifth grade. My Jewish day school planted a tree and it was one of the coldest times it had been at that time of year.

Alison: 22:48

That sounds about right. I have, I have done a couple of two beach fat Seders. I did one in Chicago, in the winter, shout out to rabbi Brandon, for waiting us on the first one I'd ever been to, which was lovely. and he walked us, we're sitting there drinking like mixed grape juice. Like this is not the best thing. but in addition to the, to the different grape juices, there's also, three categories of fruits or nuts. So you have the wine that goes from white to red, to represent the seasons. and then you have three categories of fruits that have to do with, I guess the person's relationship to the fruit. So you have the three categories are fruits, are ones with an inedible, outer covering and inedible inside. So this would be like a melon or a pomegranate or a. citrus, you have Annabelle outsides, but in Annabelle insides. so that would be like a pit. So like you can't eat, a plumb pit or a peach or a avocado. Uh, what?

Evan: 23:57

Does that stone fruit basically avocados town?

Alison: 24:01

Yeah, stone fruits in general. So that would be edible outside in Annabelle pit and sign. And then you have ones that are totally edible. so this would be like a fig or, any type of Berry or, I guess apples would probably fall under this category.

Evan: 24:17

I am not sure.

Alison: 24:20

I feel like you've said to this one more than anything else. I

Evan: 24:22

it would fit that one best, but it, but there are still inedible parts of the apple, or at least unpleasant parts of the apple, whereas something like a fake or a Berry doesn't really have that at least shouldn't have that

Alison: 24:38

grapes Grapes are good one.

Evan: 24:40

grapes are good one. Yeah.

Alison: 24:41

Yeah. So those are the three categories. I think of it as the wine kind of represents how the plants feel and the, the seasons to the plants, and fruits have to do with like our relationship.

Evan: 24:56

read the one. One other fruit that frequently gets eaten, especially in considered circles. and this is something where people can own Ru or conferment at home if they want. you've just got to be prepared. And a few months he fell you're at drug.

Alison: 25:12

yeah. just a heads up on intro email. So are. In the U S according to the FDA considered ornamental and not treated as edible plans. So while some people do eat them, um, it's really not recommended because they dump all sorts of pesticides on their, I I've had a truck liqour before. Um, I've like, I've handled them before. And I didn't know, I found out this out relatively recently, um, that you're not supposed to do. Unless you like, know where yours is coming from or you get, I don't know an organic at truck. Uh, they're heavily treated with pesticides and they do not have to be strictly a food grade.

Evan: 26:02

Interesting.

Alison: 26:03

Yeah. So be careful about where you get your attorney game from, if you're going to brew with them.

Evan: 26:08

Absolutely. Be careful about your ingredients in general.

Alison: 26:11

Yeah. one then I was told also recently is with oranges. If you're going to zest it, you should be using organic oranges because non-organic oranges. The peels are often, artificially ripened, and it's not necessarily the best thing for you.

Evan: 26:29

Yeah. And wash them as well. Just

Alison: 26:31

Yes. Oh, always you should always be washing your fruit unless it came out of your own garden and you know, nobody's spraying anywhere near you wash your fruit.

Evan: 26:40

Just wash your fruit anyway. But once you have very good control about the animals outside, wash your fruit.

Alison: 26:48

Yeah, Well, I mean, if you have your own little greenhouse or something like that,

Evan: 26:52

Yeah, but what if the squirrel gets in

Alison: 26:54

that's true. Okay. Just wash your fruit, just wash your dang fruit.

Evan: 27:00

what's your purchase in general? It's a good idea. Of course. Presuming you have clean water.

Alison: 27:06

we can argue mushrooms another time.

Evan: 27:08

Yes. That's a different issue.

Alison: 27:12

I do wash my mushrooms. I know that's a controversial take, but I do wash my mushrooms.

Evan: 27:16

And I, I tend to agree with you unless you're, unless you're also peeling them, in which case that's a different issue.

Alison: 27:22

I don't think I've ever peeled a mushroom.

Evan: 27:24

Some people do.

Alison: 27:26

That's also an interesting take.

Evan: 27:28

It depends on the style of mushroom as well.

Alison: 27:30

That's true.

Evan: 27:31

But so if you're peeling, your mushroom, washing them is kind of pointless because you're removing everything.

Alison: 27:36

Yeah.

Evan: 27:37

But if you're not peeling it washer, I would wash it.

Alison: 27:40

Yeah. okay, well

Evan: 27:43

we're on about point Y now

Alison: 27:45

what

Evan: 27:46

we're on about point Y.

Alison: 27:48

Yeah, that sounds about right. anyway, it's back to the TV spots before my power goes out, which I would just like to be clear. I do not know if the power is going to go out. I do know that if your power lines are not buried, then you should be worried when you have snow and rain and colder nights, because there is high probability of freezing. You're going to have icy roads. You're going to have icy sidewalks, just, you know, stay safe out there. Folks. Especially if you live in a place where people do not have things like snow tires or snow chains or salt.

Evan: 28:27

Yeah, it's snow tires make a huge difference for anyone who has not tried them.

Alison: 28:32

Yeah, I have, I do not have them anyways. okay. So you have the wine, the four different types of wine, or the two types of wine that you like blend a little bit and suffer through. you have the three different types of fruit. And then on top of that, people tend to, pick readings and have discussions. that relate to nature and trees and the environment and our relationship with trees in the environment. I went to a two beach flat Seder that was heavily focused on environmental issues. And I think that's pretty common at this point where people will talk about, about, you know, climate change and all sorts of things like that.

Evan: 29:16

the connection between two of his fights in earth day is very common.

Alison: 29:19

Yes. so I think at least other than the food traditions, it's very much, do what you want with it kind of thing you can, you can do all sorts of lovely things with it. And I've, I've, I've only been to a handful of Jewish visitors. I think I've been to three of them. but they were all very. It's possible. I went to one when I was younger that I just don't remember. I know of three that I remember, and they were all lovely and very different. And, you can really, you can do what you want with this one and, and, find meaning in the things that move you take meaning of the things. So that's the Seder.

Evan: 30:02

Yeah,

Alison: 30:02

What else is there about two-ish spots?

Evan: 30:05

Alison: 30:05

we arrived there D.

Evan: 30:06

we've covered most of it or at least everything, pretty much everything. I know we've talked a lot in the past about how there's lot of agricultural stuff in Judaism connection to the land, especially in Israel. and to wish VOD is just yet another instance of that. Should be one of the better known, and for a lot of less observant Jews, it is not as well-known as it is.

Alison: 30:31

Yeah. And I think one of the really nice things about this one is. we have a lot of very real, like we have religious holidays in Judaism that are very focused on. I guess the religious aspects of Judaism as an ethanol religion. and then we have other holidays that like in today's society and as, I would say fairly like we're prettiest assimilated. Isn't really the word I want to use. I want, I guess, integrated community, we don't talk about holidays. Like Shavuot, we don't talk about, or, or as to coat. as harvest festivals as, as agricultural festivals very much. but I do think that there is a lot of space for holidays, for, to be shot and for, and for the Jewish harvest festivals to be really good sources of discussion and meaning for people who are, maybe not as interested in the religious aspects of Judaism.

Evan: 31:40

I would agree. that's something else. That's something to add, but I don't. Please now without going through two tangents.

Alison: 31:51

Well, if it does come up, I don't be on the show notes.

Evan: 31:55

Yes.

Alison: 31:55

I hope everybody had a lovely to be fat. And if you are celebrating it at a later date, then I wish you a lovely upcoming to be shot. we didn't talk much about brewing and we didn't really do. Anything about brewing this episode, but she brewed Hebrew. And now it's time for you to brew. Hi everyone.

SheBrews, HeBrews: A Jewish Fermentation Podcast

Episode 17: Tu B’Shvat

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