Episode 18: Tangents!

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Evan: 0:00

Welcome to episode 18 of Shebas Hebrews at Jewish fermenting podcast. Today, we're doing something a little different for our Chai episode. And mostly because Alison and I had both had very busy weeks. We are doing our first tangents episode. I really hope you all enjoy it. There's just a little crossfade between the various tangents. We've got a bunch of them from a few different episodes. And I hope to present more in the future. as well, I hope that anybody who celebrates has a happy Chinese lunar new year. And that everyone enjoys the beginning of the Olympics. Starting later this week. Finally, before we get to the tangents, I have one more thing to say. Since our last episode, we hit 1000 downloads. That is a huge amount for us. This is just a small side project, obviously for Alison and I, that we really enjoy making. but to have a thousand downloads so far really means a lot to us and we really want to thank you. for all listening and downloading and hope that you continue to enjoy the podcast. And with that onto the tangents.

Alison: 1:08

I can only snap with one hand.

Evan: 1:10

I just snapped with both by snap. Weird. I think we've talked about this before.

Alison: 1:14

Yup.

Evan: 1:17

I think we talked about the one when I first, when someone made an Adams family reference.

Alison: 1:24

Banana. Banana banana banana.

Evan: 1:32

Yep.

Alison: 1:34

Yeah.

Evan: 1:35

but do you have anything else on what,

Alison: 1:38

I think the Adams family is just a sweet family who happens to like golf and golf things and it is excellent.

Evan: 1:45

I mean, at least most of the original stuff that is correct. Some of the more modern interpretations taken in a different direction, which is wrong,

Alison: 1:54

Yes, that is incorrect. Um,

Evan: 1:57

comics, the, uh, TV show, all of the.

Alison: 2:02

yeah, the original stuff is. They're just a really sweet, wholesome family. And the only thing weird about them is not the only thing, but like the thing that is weird about them is that they love just like dark colors and golf things. It's not, they're not, there's no, like Wednesdays not be edgy characters she's been made out to be in, in more recent things. She's like a, a girl who's just really excited.

Evan: 2:32

I mean in a more accurate modern interpretation would probably have her very into true to, into true crime podcasts,

Alison: 2:41

Yeah.

Evan: 2:42

which are very.

Alison: 2:44

Yeah.

Evan: 2:44

uh, by me, like a lot of the original comments, especially playing on or playing on, I should say the fact that, oh, well, they weren't named in the original comments. The names came with the TV show, but, that Gomez and Morticia were actually in love and actually romantic with each other, as opposed to many of the comics of the times talking about how their wife's a ball and chain or that they hate their wife sort of.

Alison: 3:10

Yeah, it's a subversion of a lot of 1950s tropes. You have what might be a nuclear family with the, you know, and this couple and their two children and they're dark and edgy color palate wise. But in actuality, they're just a really loving family. And really cares for each other, which I think is wonderful and I'm here for it. So

Evan: 3:36

The original comments. I haven't read. I've read some of them, but they're very good.

Alison: 3:39

again, I haven't read them in a while, but would recommend anyways, back to yeah.

Evan: 3:49

that'll do it for the episode. Yeah. The one was diagnosed with type one diabetes. My tolerance went down by about half.

Alison: 3:58

Well, mine never went up in the first place. So

Evan: 4:01

There was one point where I had, 17 shots and an hour and a half on an empty stomach didn't ever hang up or woke up drunk, still made it to rowing practice. Then that.

Alison: 4:09

Hey Evan,

Evan: 4:10

Yeah.

Alison: 4:11

I would be dead.

Evan: 4:13

Yeah, it was for a friend's birthday

Alison: 4:17

I

Evan: 4:17

had a very bad week and nearly failed thermodynamics that week.

Alison: 4:20

well, my dynamics is one of those classes that you need a good teacher for. If you don't have a good teacher, that's are moving. You are S O L

Evan: 4:30

Uh, yeah, I did not have a good teacher.

Alison: 4:33

that's like, uh, I took the engineering section of multi-variable calculus for integration. And once you start talking about fluid flow, curl and flux, You don't have a good teacher. You better be real good at teaching yourself. There's just a lot in engineering school. That's like in, in sciences in general. I think that, I think it is very much a failure of the education system. Uh, when people are like, I just didn't get it or whatever, You know, with poorly taught because understanding these concepts are so important and there is a real lack of teachers who can really well explain it. And I've said this to many people, the best, the best teacher I had in college, shout out, was professor Yens Coke. I had him for physics three with calculus, waves and optics and modern. And he was, one of the harder teach, I, would say definitely one of the hardest teachers I, had. Um, but in the sense that he was excellent at explaining concepts and that his work really made you think, and it made you think about the concepts that you understood and how to apply them. And there was a difference between having work that's hard and you, and it's hard because you don't fully understand it and there's, and having work that is hard because it really makes you think about what you're working on and think about what you're learning. Um, and I think that is very much the key to a good stem education is having, information that has been well explained to you. And in a way that really makes you comprehend what's going on and also learning how to apply difficult concepts and that you understand.

Evan: 6:36

You know I,

Alison: 6:37

So bone to pick

Evan: 6:39

know I did that at a very, my favorite professor was very similar. one what a lot of people just say, one of the more difficult classes, not Thermo, my Thermo professor was not my worst, but nearly, my best professor was, Samantha Daley, in engineering or in mechanics and materials.

Alison: 6:56

Hmm. of materials.

Evan: 7:00

She was just

Alison: 7:01

not have a good. passer for

Evan: 7:03

well, Jews, very, very good at it. one of my favorite professors, overall, at least best professor I had for any of my stem classes. she's now at UCFB, and actually was on my master's advisors. Committed PhD committee.

Alison: 7:17

oh, oh. And you see those chains of like, was my PhD dad or whatever, nothing bad, but like, this is my PhD family and it's. I was in a sorority in college. I was actually in a very large, like a large national sorority in college. Uh, so you, you hear about lots of connections between people because of the sorority and,, and like how people meet and alumni chapters and all that. But also when you hear from, a PhD or professor, uh, or a professor who has a PhD, a lot of the times they'll be able to map through their PhD family in the same way that, that, like, I can, I can tell you, several generations in both directions of my pledge family in,, from college, from my sorority. And it's just, it's funny to hear them go like nine generations back because they just, it's just stuff that, you know,

Evan: 8:20

Yeah, absolutely. Because for anyone who's not familiar, at least with the academic side, I have no idea about Greek life. but you need a committee of PhDs to certify a PhD. have an advisor and at least two other members to certify PhD. So you are not, they are accepting you within their own ranks effectively when you become a PhD. Yeah, it is very similar to a bit in, um, which is both used for rabbis and a rabbinical degree is a terminal degree, uh, and a, uh, and is also used for converting Jews, um, in rabbinic Judaism. But, so you need that number bound of why that reminded me of the number. Do you have an address number?

Alison: 9:14

no, I don't.

Evan: 9:14

I do

Alison: 9:16

What's your dose number?

Evan: 9:18

which is pretty common right now.

Alison: 9:21

Yeah. Well, I mean, yeah, because polar this,

Evan: 9:27

He is, he is dead. Um, but so for anyone who does not know about the air dose number, which is just a wonderful thing on this same idea, and this has probably made this tangent cut out, it will be very fun for our tangents episode. But the address number is how many collaborators you have to go through to get DePaul. Airdrops a Hungarian mathematician who published some what, uh, he published at least 1500 papers in his lifetime with at least 800 collaborators.

Alison: 9:58

Yeah. It's, it's something, I'm sorry, I'm looking at it

Evan: 10:02

so, so am I, but so my master's advisor who I am on a paper with has an Erdos number of five, which means minus six, I looked up everyone else who was on that paper and they either their first published paper, so six or five, uh, which was one of the other people on my master's committee. Um, so six is a very normal number right now, but there've been times where somebody with a two auctioned off a co-write a, uh, collaboration spot on a paper, just so, um, somebody could have an, an address number of.

Alison: 10:40

So, just to make this an even longer tangent, there are two famous variations on the arrest number, the first one being Ernest bacon number, uh,

Evan: 10:53

which I love.

Alison: 10:55

which measures the collaborative difference. This is the definition. persons or dose they can number is the sum of one's Erdos number, which measures the collaborative distance in offering academic papers between that person and Hungarian mathematician, Paul Erdos. And once they can number, which represents the number of links through roles in films, by which the person is separated from American actor, Kevin bacon, the lower, the number, the closer person is to both artists and bacon, which reflects a small world phenomena in academia and entertainment to have a defined Erdos vacant number. It is necessary to have appeared in both appeared in the film until authored an academic paper off of this in itself is not sufficient. Um, an extended deck definition named Erdos bacon Sabbath includes the Sabbath number and equivalent to bacon number that connects musicians to the heavy, heavy metal band black Sabbath. The other two that I can think of who are like, kind of known academic, well, sorta kinda, um, Alexander Ovechkin has a doctorate.

Evan: 12:03

that is true.

Alison: 12:05

I'm not sure exactly what kind or what papers he's written, but he does have

Evan: 12:10

It's in sports, something I believe, but the doctorate, there are two levels of doctorate in Russia

Alison: 12:17

Yeah.

Evan: 12:18

he's from what I've heard is more equivalent to a intensive master's. I could be wrong. I'm not, not going to not just say otherwise, but he does have academic. He does a post-graduate academic qualifications, which in a lead where many people don't graduate college is incredibly impressive.

Alison: 12:34

Yeah. The other one that I can think of who may or may not have done something well, I don't know. There's a couple of people who I can think of who, like, maybe could've at some point, like you've got your Zack Tuymans

Evan: 12:51

I had

Alison: 12:52

had sent you. I can knock it over that.

Evan: 12:56

I'm pretty sure. I want to find a way to check my I'm pretty sure I had classes that came in.

Alison: 13:00

my brother has some mutual friends with him and was at a wedding at that. He was also at, uh, but anyways, um, like there are some people, I don't know if Zach admins ever written their academic paper, but like someone of his ilk, um, of which there are like, there are not many people like psychiatry, um, who like have, have fairly rigorous academic degrees

Evan: 13:27

but his Hyman's college coach might actually have a, an airdrop number. Um, red Berenson played in the NHL for many years. In fact, is not in the hockey hall of fame is really weird. Uh, he was the first player to do a double hat trick.

Alison: 13:44

Really,

Evan: 13:45

Yeah. Uh, and was a player coach for the St. Louis blues before

Alison: 13:50

player coaches are the coolest thing. We've gone on a hockey tangent

Evan: 13:53

and then, he was at Michigan for many years where he, during his time in the, um, in the NHL, he got his MBA to prepare for life after hockey. And then he coached at Michigan for like 30 years. After he coached the St. Louis blues and retired like two years ago and was a professor for part of that on ethics and hockey and sort of life. So I wouldn't be surprised if he co-authored a paper in that time.

Alison: 14:19

Yeah, It would just be something to look up. I don't know if any of these people have coauthored or what I feel like. I feel like Ovechkin and, um, anybody involved in TBIs is, are probably the best dressed.

Evan: 14:35

Interesting though. Interestingly, on airdrops banking, Stephen Hawking has a lower bacon number than air dress.

Alison: 14:42

Really

Evan: 14:43

He has a bacon number of two, thanks to his appearance alongside John police in Monte Python, live parentheses, mostly,

Alison: 14:53

that's beautiful.

Evan: 14:54

um, which is a very

Alison: 14:56

I'm looking at the same. Look at the pages. I just haven't scrolled

Evan: 15:00

and he has an air number of four, given that airdrops died in the nineties, uh, I mean, halting was a very prolific as well, but it's still surprising.

Alison: 15:11

Yeah, let's see. Uh, the lowest her physicists and Nicholas metropolis, uh, who I've never heard of actually, what does he work on? No, I'm just, um, distracted clearly.

Evan: 15:30

This is a

Alison: 15:30

Oh, he was, he was, always on this.

Evan: 15:33

Ah,

Alison: 15:33

Um, and then you have Daniel, quite men mathematicians. How about, um, um, Danica McKellar is gotta have an artist vacant number and she's gotta have a pretty good

Evan: 15:50

well that is the first person listed under actors in this was six all at the same as Hawking. Uh, though she has an air dress number better than hockey. Her address number is three. Sorry now her address number. Oh, no, same one. Sorry. Her address number is four. So the same as Stephen Hawking, uh, and has a bacon number of two, uh, Natalie Portman has a bacon of seven.

Alison: 16:19

Colin Firth has a six. Christian steward has a seven.

Evan: 16:25

Yeah,

Alison: 16:27

Um, Elon Musk has a.

Evan: 16:33

I am surprised. Do you see what his paper is on?

Alison: 16:37

COVID-19,

Evan: 16:39

I am

Alison: 16:43

I'm pretty sure he's been on orange quantity and drugs for the past couple of years. So

Evan: 16:48

It's well, it's co-authored with somebody who has an MDPH. No, just an MD. No. And MDD fill. So basically an MD-PhD do you feel is just different universities awarded.

Alison: 17:00

I think it's safe to say that Bruce knit Resnick is just like owning everybody's ass.

Evan: 17:07

Yes.

Alison: 17:09

Like yeah,

Evan: 17:14

Well, he's still alive so he could bring that number down.

Alison: 17:17

yeah. We just kind of get Bruce Resnick to be in a movie.

Evan: 17:21

Kevin bacon.

Alison: 17:22

We got to have, like, I wanna, I want to start a campaign for this. Get Bruce Resnick. bacon. artist number lower.

Evan: 17:32

Well, Daniel is also still alive. It seems who has the lowest total number of three cars. He co-authored with air dress and was, um, in Goodwill hunting.

Alison: 17:45

Yeah. No, that's that's the same as Resnick.

Evan: 17:51

I thought restless was for, oh no. Yeah. They're both three. So both of them could do it

Alison: 17:56

Yeah.

Evan: 17:57

major math based movie.

Alison: 17:59

Or we can have like, who else has some? Yeah, no, those two are the top candidates for lowering their bacon and their, uh, earnest bacon number. I'm here for it. This, we have entirely derailed episode

Evan: 18:15

we're definitely, this is their tangent might be an episode.

Alison: 18:20

entire yeah.

Evan: 18:22

Can we get boosted vaccinated?

Alison: 18:25

vaccinate last night, yourself, vaccinate kids. That was gonna, I was going to be like, you remember that dude who was like, hide your kids, hide your wife, like vaccination kids.

Evan: 18:43

We're looking for you. We to find you.

Alison: 18:48

I make reference to means that I like circuit 2007 or whatever all the time. And everybody is like, what do you mean the love of song? What do you mean? Homestar runner.com

Evan: 19:04

oh.

Alison: 19:05

like a buy-now black sheep.com.

Evan: 19:09

I haven't thought about all buying a black sheep in forever.

Alison: 19:12

Yeah. Remember when YouTube had caps on the length of videos that you can have the, like the size of the data storage. And then on top of that. instead of having like thumbs up and thumbs down, which YouTube is now getting rid of the thumbs down, which I do not, nobody really likes it. Um, but it used to be a five star rating.

Evan: 19:36

I forgot. I forgot about

Alison: 19:38

stars on them.

Evan: 19:39

You remember the dupli do was off to the side as well.

Alison: 19:43

They moved it all the time. They moved the descriptive description areas and I saw a post that was like, why does YouTube look like, or like, why does YouTube from this like 2008, uh, TV show look like one of those fake websites that they made for a TV show. And it's because like really used to look like that. And like, we think about modern HTML designer or whenever it is it's I don't, I know CSS. I know nothing about website design, so, uh, ignore anything I say about it, but like modern website design doesn't look like what it used to, but back then, like they all have the same kind of level of graphics and clunkiness.

Evan: 20:29

Yeah, I miss those days sometimes. Would you, PD is holding out.

Alison: 20:33

what patient is holding out fully. The PD is not bad because it's basically just a basic outline. I don't, I don't mind that I'm reminded of, um, Ms. Pepper, who was my fourth grade and also a seventh grade teacher. She was great. She taught, she taught, uh, just like general studies in fourth grade and then American history and seventh. Um, but she taught us how to use an outline format. And every time I see one, I think of miss pepper,

Evan: 21:10

nice.

Alison: 21:12

just like, look at your textbook and put things in outline form. And I mean, now she teaches in my old high school, but like, mean, there are things where if it, if it's taught in anything, that's more than just. More than, than just a flat line. Like if it's taught well or talk badly, that stands out in your point. And she taught things well, she was great teacher, you know, I've, I've mentioned a couple of my great teachers in this episode. Um, like they're the ones that I feel like, you know, deserve the shout out professor Birdwell, who I had for Thermo and then Harris, who has taught me homebrewing,

Evan: 22:00

Thank you.

Alison: 22:00

shout out to him, you know, a good teacher deserves recognition, a bad teacher. We don't hate.

Evan: 22:12

Yeah. I had one professor where in, uh, undergrad where like 10 of us wrote a letter to the department head because of how bad.

Alison: 22:23

Yeah. I, my mechanics of, I think it was a I'm blanking on the title. It was calm, like mechanics of something man, and called her lady Jane. We referred to her as lady Jane, um, professor wedding, maybe we just refer to her as lady Jane. I don't remember her actual name. Um, but man, she made some bad so-called jokes. They were like blatantly sexist and antisemetic

Evan: 23:08

Oh,

Alison: 23:10

we put in so many complaints on her and she just keeps teaching year over year. Makes the same jokes.

Evan: 23:17

no, I I'd love to lose and not have any professors who did that. Um, so I had one professor who not my semester, but a different one told people who wanted to take, wanted to get a different exam date for it was, this is econ 1 0 1 different exam day because he still told an exam on. You have to report said, well, my exam schedule was up for registration. You should've picked a different class.

Alison: 23:39

Well, yeah, I'm

Evan: 23:42

policy and actually the law.

Alison: 23:44

yeah. I never had to take the engineering school at Northwestern where I went, but does have a famous Holocaust denier. and I never had to take his class, but I definitely heard some bad stories from other Jewish students who did,

Evan: 24:02

Oh, no another time when I wasn't worried. because the professor's last name was Stein.

Alison: 24:08

to be German.

Evan: 24:09

well he was Jewish, but another friend of mine didn't re just, wasn't thinking, it's like, oh, I have to ask him, like, tell him I'm going to be missing on Roshashana and whatnot. And so the professor said, well, Hey, we don't have class on those days because it's just the schedule B, I would be missing it too. It's like, no, I'll be missing it. I'm going to have my, yeah, that's true. Like any days that would be missing the they'll just be a grad student will have extra office hours.

Alison: 24:35

Yeah. Well, the professor that I mentioned earlier, professor Koch, who was excellent, he had an exam scheduled for the second day, the second day of Passover. And I didn't realize I had told him about the first days, but I didn't realize about the second days. And he was super helpful and super accommodating, and like really, really appreciate that.

Evan: 25:03

Yeah. I actually met professor Stein's advisor while skiing a few years ago.

Alison: 25:08

oh my God. It's like golfing and business.

Evan: 25:12

That's not the crate, the most notable person, someone in my family has met while seeing my dad in the bar of

Alison: 25:19

Spielberg.

Evan: 25:19

the, my dad met. This was while he was in college, uh, in the bar of the steel lodge we would normally stay at before I moved to Utah. he met Dr. Heimlich.

Alison: 25:32

Huh? That's pretty cool. I met Steven Spielberg in omelet line once. that's kind of my best

Evan: 25:39

well, that's neat. My grant.

Alison: 25:41

David Hasselhoff proposed to my little sister in an elevator. I was in the elevator too, but she was like, aye.

Evan: 25:53

Okay.

Alison: 25:54

goes, and his daughter's in the elevator with us, like cringing hard.

Evan: 26:04

So Larry changed a lot at the deli.

Alison: 26:08

Larry King is one of those people where if I saw him walking around, just like when I lived in Florida, I would occasionally like casually take pictures over my shoulder, in the car. Um, when I felt like somebody was having a heart attack, that the wheel happened more often than anybody would like, uh, Larry King is one of those guys where I'd be like, you look like you're about to collapse. And every given moment Larry King looks like he's about to collapse.

Evan: 26:36

for basically, as long as I can remember, knowing who Larry King was, anytime we would visit my grandparents in LA and go to the deli, especially Sunday mornings, he would be there. And so this goes back to what I was six maybe. And did it look like he was going to collapse just every single time? So I mean, Judeo French is what Rashi would've spoken.

Alison: 26:56

yeah. Rashi and interestingly enough, there's there were Jews who lived in rushes among the Jews who lived in an area called which you may have heard about in world history classes because, uh, it kept getting fought over and changing hands a lot. So sometimes they were French. Sometimes they were Austro-Hungarian sometimes they, it was, it was an us.

Evan: 27:22

Strausberg is the major city and also salon.

Alison: 27:25

yeah, but anyways, like we're sometimes French, so, uh, interesting history. Uh, I can't keep it straight, but, um, it's interesting. Um, I sent and then eats a link, um, for the language classes, for the show notes.

Evan: 27:53

They will be, they will definitely be there. Um, but as we mentioned that this party, if within the same article where we talked, we put some about the history of the pickles and the period. There's even a recipe for some Sparty pickles. which, of course, as far as the majority of the party community is from Iberian peninsula,

Alison: 28:11

Iberian peninsula. Um, we're talking about Spain in Portugal or The areas currently known as Spain and

Evan: 28:18

The areas currently known as Spain, Portugal potentially also Basque CA um, Castiel are not to steal. Um,

Alison: 28:27

Christiane Leon

Evan: 28:28

well, no, but, uh, yes, but that's Spain, no one argues that, uh, Barcelona is Catalonia.

Alison: 28:34

that's Colonia,

Evan: 28:35

there are Arizona, including Catalonia, uh, depending on who you ask, um, Andorra is, or is not Iberian it's on the border.

Alison: 28:45

but there was, um, there's an interesting history there involving, um, The conquered, conquering by the Morris. Um, and then the Catholics trying to force them out, uh, which was a recurring theme. And then you have the Spanish inquisition. Um, but anyways, when you end up with is a lot of interesting mixtures and mixing that mixing of cultures. Um, so you do have a lot, you can see it in the art and the architecture. You have a lot of, of, um, classical Islamic influences, uh, or art influences.

Evan: 29:30

No influ influences. Um,

Alison: 29:32

It's it's classic. You'll look at something and go let's zero, right?

Evan: 29:41

yeah, it, uh, especially in Portugal, Portugal and Portugal also has a huge history post con posts reconquest of Iberian peninsula have trade with the rest of the world. So Portugal's really interesting. Lisbon is an incredible city. And if anybody would like a Jewish tour of Lisbon, let me know, because I have a tour guide I would write.

Alison: 30:04

Yeah. A good architecture tour guide is fantastic.

Evan: 30:10

I mean, he covered both the architecture, uh, is a PhD in art history, uh, and were taught and taught any. He is a, his family is well, his mother's family is astronauts, the American Jew, his father's family, if I recall is, uh, the converse so that the crypto Jews.

Alison: 30:32

well,

Evan: 30:33

So he knows Portuguese Jews quite well.

Alison: 30:36

well I'm really the architecture in Spain. I've only been to Spain. for a week, in California, I was in Barcelona. I was in Barcelona,

Evan: 30:47

I've been, I've been in Barcelona for three days and I was in Lisbon the week or Lisbon and Porto the week before.

Alison: 30:54

but you have buildings like the Alhambra. Yeah. Which you can really see the influences all around, um, really beautiful art and architecture. Uh, if you get the chance to take a visit like that, where you do an architecture tour or something like that, it's, it's only as good to do so that you understand the history of, of the place around you. Um, all of the influences, a place that I once went on also fascinating history. You lock right here, like who conquered this place where, um, I was in Moulton. Oh, God, it must be a decade and a half, maybe nine decade and a half. Um, but a long time ago, I was in Malta. At this point I was relatively young, maybe 13, 14, 14 bubble away. Uh, we went to Malta, um, and the influences, it's fascinating because you walked through and you go oh, well, Italy conquered this place. So like some of the words I'm hearing are Italian, but like also the crusaders came through and also you have these really, really, really old civilizations that left all sorts of, um, figurines and there's all sorts of, uh, of archeology or archeological sites there. You have these, these places? I would say, especially along the Mediterranean, just because of the sheer amount of passers, by which side note is one of my favorite words in the English language, because he pluralize it by adding the S to the middle of the word instead of the end, which I love.

Evan: 32:54

Attorneys general as well as like that.

Alison: 32:57

Yes. But attorneys general is two words. Passers by

Evan: 33:02

There's by, is one word that is correct. That, that is true. I didn't think about that.

Alison: 33:09

Yeah. So anyways, you have all sorts of just people passing fruit from all over the place. And sometimes they get conquered for awhile. Sometimes they have people stick around for awhile and you end up with a language that's kind of Semitic kind of romantic. Um, I don't know.

Evan: 33:33

Yeah. And the, the, the Mediterranean it, because it's such a, I mean, it's a very relatively calm body of water and, but you're still separated, so you're not just generating a single culture, but you're getting so much trade in between them for. Thousands of years is like that. I love to visit Malta. I'd love to go back. I would want to travel more again in general.

Alison: 33:55

thing to know about Malta adds up. Uh, it is very small.

Evan: 34:01

That,

Alison: 34:02

So if you visit Malta, don't need very long.

Evan: 34:07

that, that is, I can imagine. It's true.

Alison: 34:10

Yeah. Not to say it. Wasn't beautiful and fascinating, but you have like three or four days of beautiful and fascinating. Well, I'm on a small rock in the middle of the Mediterranean, and it's kind of cold here.

Evan: 34:27

So, I mean, unless you're participating in the archeology, don't spend more than about four days.

Alison: 34:33

I mean, if you really want to spend time on the beach, I guess, but like we were there in April and it was too cold for the beach.

Evan: 34:42

Oh,

Alison: 34:42

It was too cold for the beach and we are in the middle of the Mediterranean. You are seriously on a small island surrounded by nothing but seas. It just gets cold.

Evan: 34:55

no,

Alison: 34:55

I was not expecting that. None of us were expecting that.

Evan: 34:59

true I'm trying to think. Who else did not really mention locks this episode because of your aversion to fish,

Alison: 35:07

Yeah, but also we got distracted a lot. We're so good at this. we should cut this, but

Evan: 35:14

a lot of that will be cut though. And this next comment will be

Alison: 35:16

these are the eggs

Evan: 35:18

Oh, wow. Oh, that's like a good teal. oh.

Alison: 35:22

I wasn't kidding. I used to see a stack of them in my, at the farmer's market. And I be like, the frick. Is that.

Evan: 35:29

So I don't know why that remind, especially that color reminds me. So you, you, I don't know if you know this, but the NCAA sort of banned, native American naming of us teams.

Alison: 35:39

I mean, really?

Evan: 35:41

So, so teams just will be named after a specific tribe with the revokable consent of the tribe, which is appropriate. I think so basically they signed licensing deals. One of the tribes that didn't want to, and the school was hesitant to do it was Eastern Michigan, formerly known as the Huron Eastern Michigan university decided to call themselves the Eagles. One of the most common team names, right.

Alison: 36:06

Yeah.

Evan: 36:09

They should have been the mus.

Alison: 36:11

And they should have been named

Evan: 36:12

That's their color to

Alison: 36:15

That's great.

Evan: 36:17

the EMU.

Alison: 36:19

I have told you, oh, what that, even though I know they're your team, screw the penguin.

Evan: 36:26

I know.

Alison: 36:27

But like great spits too.

Evan: 36:31

Oh, it is a really good team name.

Alison: 36:35

Oh, I'm so glad I found it. I would walk by those eggs and be like The

Evan: 36:40

Now I have to try and find EMU eggs. they find in? I'll see what I can find in Dallas.

Alison: 36:47

anyways?

Evan: 36:47

Yeah, we should probably just have the sign off. So have too many more tangents