Welcome to the inaugural episode of "Wellness By Design," a segment dedicated to exploring the symbiotic relationship between design and holistic well-being on The Wellness Inspired Podcast. Join host Sheri Davidson and guests Candice Rogers, a WELL designer, and Jackie Barry, a design professor, as they explore how technology shapes our environments and health.
From smart homes to constant connectivity, they discuss the pros and cons, empowering listeners to make informed choices. Tune in for insights, experiences, and solutions to enhance well-being amidst evolving tech. Welcome to a balanced approach on The Wellness Inspired Podcast.
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Welcome to the inaugural episode of "Wellness By Design," a segment dedicated to exploring the symbiotic relationship between design and holistic well-being on The Wellness Inspired Podcast. Join host Sheri Davidson and guests Candice Rogers, a WELL designer, and Jackie Barry, a design professor, as they explore how technology shapes our environments and health.
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Hello, wellness warriors, Welcome back to another episode of the wellness inspired podcast, a place where you can find inspiration, motivation and empowerment in the pursuit of a wellness lifestyle. I'm your host, Sherry Davidson. I'm a wellness coach and acupuncturist in Houston Texas, and I am deeply passionate about health and wellbeing. And, as always, I'm here with my cohost, Finn. And if you're new to the podcast, Finn is my Terrier, Mix Rescue Dog, trail runner and loyal companion. He is also a therapy dog and greeter at Element 5 Acupuncture and Wellness. And I have something for you today.
Speaker 1:This is the inaugural episode of Wellness by Design, a segment that explores the intersection of design and holistic wellbeing. So join me as we delve into the latest trends, innovations and headlines shaping our living spaces and impacting our health and wellness. With insights from designers and wellness professionals, we'll uncover how thoughtful design choices can cultivate harmony, balance and tranquility in our home and workplaces, nurturing our minds, bodies and spirits. So get ready to transform your living spaces into sanctuaries of wellness. This is Wellness by Design, and today we're discussing technology and holistic wellness. This topic is ever relevant in our rapidly evolving world, with technology becoming increasingly intertwined with every aspects of our lives, from homes to workplaces. It is essential to examine its profound impact on our living spaces and wellbeing. Throughout this episode, we'll navigate the myriad ways technologies shape our environments and, consequently, our health. There is so much to unpack here, from the convenience of smart homes to the potential downside of constant connectivity. So two of my good friends are guests today joining me Candice Rogers, an interior designer and well designer, and Jackie Berry, an interior design professor at HCC and landscape designer. And together with my background as a wellness coach, acupuncturist and former interior designer, we'll bring a diverse array of perspectives to the table. So as we explore the pros and cons of technology influencing our wellbeing, we aim to empower you, our listeners, with the knowledge to make informed decisions about integrating technology into your living spaces. By shedding light on the benefits and challenges, we hope to inspire thoughtful consideration and foster a balanced approach to technology and the pursuit of holistic wellness. So I hope you join us for this illuminating discussion where we'll uncover insights, shared experiences and perhaps even spark solutions to enhance our wellbeing amidst the ever-evolving landscape of technology.
Speaker 1:Welcome to Wellness by Design on the Wellness Inspired Podcast. But first, before we get started, I have some exciting news to share with you For those avid listeners who have tuned into the podcast over the past year, you've likely caught wind of the Wellness River Cruise. Well, friends, the moment has arrived. Mark your calendars for April, the 20th 2025, as we set sail on an unforgettable seven-night cruise along the Danube River. We'll traverse the picturesque landscape of Austria, Germany, Hungary and Slovakia. Prepare yourselves for an array of active sightseeing adventures, including invigorating hikes, scenic bike rides and perhaps a few brisk runs. And if none of that works for you, don't worry, there is something for everybody. There's a pool on the deck and spa services. But alongside these activities, if you choose to do them, we'll indulge in the serenity of yoga sessions, engage in enlightening wellness discussions on holistic wellness and savor the flavors of locally sourced cuisine. The excitement is already brewing. Several enthusiasts have already secured their spots, so if you're intrigued, I will put all the details in the show notes so you can check it out. And if you're sure this wellness river cruise is calling your name, please waste no time securing your place aboard.
Speaker 1:River cruises tend to fill up rapidly, which is why we shifted the dates to next year instead of this year. That was my fault. I waited too late, so don't think about it too long. Seize the opportunity while you can. I also want to announce here that in an upcoming episode we'll have the pleasure of having Laurie, a representative from Ammo Waterways, and Tammy, my friend and a seasoned travel concierge, dive into the cruise experience further. So feel free to forward any burning questions my way.
Speaker 1:We're doing the interview this Saturday. This Saturday, I think it's the 11th, so I'm hoping to have that episode out pretty quickly if you're interested. Additionally, there is an upcoming in-person event. It will be held at Total Wines in the Lower Heights of Houston on January the 17th at 530. There will be a French wine tasting and Laurie will give a short presentation about the river cruise.
Speaker 1:I will talk more about the wellness contribution. I'll be doing some wellness talks on holistic living. That's kind of what I'm thinking right now. And Tammy will also be there to answer any questions because she will be the one that you contact if you're interested in securing your spot. But we'll all be there to answer any questions you might have. So I will put the details and the links in the show notes so if you're out of town and can't make it, you can always call Tammy with any questions.
Speaker 1:This all has to happen quickly. I know the cruise is a year from now, but there are only 196 cabins. I think I said 123 last time, but I think there's 196 cabins on board and they sell out quickly. So if you're interested, I highly recommend putting down your deposit quickly, and it's not a lot to hold your spot. So if you're interested, call Tammy or come see us and listen to the episode. All right, let's dive into the first Wellness by Design episode on the Wellness Inspired Podcast. Hi Jackie, Hi Candice, Welcome to the podcast. Hey, hey, how are you guys? Good, good, how are you doing? Well?
Speaker 2:good, good. We're waiting to see what's going to happen with this.
Speaker 1:Nothing. Did it eclipse happen if you can't see it? Oh, that's true.
Speaker 3:I don't know Right, that's a good question.
Speaker 2:It's like if a tree falls in the forest and you did. Does it make a sound? Yeah, it make a sound.
Speaker 1:Yeah, interesting.
Speaker 3:Very interesting.
Speaker 1:I know a lot of people paid.
Speaker 3:A lot of people are going to find out today.
Speaker 1:They are. A lot of people invested a lot of time.
Speaker 2:I guess it'll get dark, but to get here, yeah, it'll get dark, but you won't be able to see it one, something today.
Speaker 1:Today, is that the yeah I think so, 130. 130? 130.
Speaker 3:We might still be here.
Speaker 1:Well, welcome to the very first ever segment called Wellness by Design. In this segment, we explore the intersection of design and holistic well-being. We'll dive into the latest trends, innovations and headlines shaping our living spaces and impacting our health and wellness. And this is the very first episode of this segment, so thank you for being here. Awesome, I feel privileged.
Speaker 2:I do too. This is exciting.
Speaker 1:You guys have both been on the podcast before, yeah, so today we're going to talk about technology and holistic wellness. So this has a profound impact on our living spaces and our wellbeing and it's not going anywhere. Technology is here to stay and it's only going to keep expanding and integrating into every facet of our lives, including our homes, workspaces, living communities and cities. But my question is homes, workspaces, living communities and cities. But my question is what are the pros and cons of this evolving landscape for our health and wellness and how can we utilize it to impact our lives positively rather than negatively? And I just believe that discussing the pros and cons of technology and well-being, we will raise awareness and people can make informed choices about how to incorporate technology into their homes to promote balance and enhance overall health and well-being and mitigate the negative impacts as much as they can. So that's what we're going to talk about today. So, jackie, I met you at PDR.
Speaker 3:God we won't even say how many years ago. Oh, should we have to add that up again? Did we do?
Speaker 1:that, yeah, when you were here. Yeah, so you are an interior designer and you've done I know you've done corporate residential yes, corporate residential landscaping. And now you're a professor at HCC.
Speaker 3:Yes, exactly yeah. So I think you'll be a great piece to all of this.
Speaker 1:And now, you're a professor at HCC. Yes, exactly, yeah, yeah. So I think you'll be a great piece to all of this, because you're dealing with the younger generations and seeing kind of what they're learning and how they're being impacted by everything.
Speaker 3:Right and trying not to be like oh, those kids, those kids.
Speaker 1:What are they up to?
Speaker 3:now.
Speaker 1:Well, I think you're going to be very valuable in this topic, in the discussion of this topic, candice, hey, hi. You're an interior designer, yes, and a well designer, yes.
Speaker 2:And we met here. That's right, I was a do you call them clients?
Speaker 1:or patients.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I was a patient of yours and then was going to go to interior design school and found out you were an interior designer, and so then we just clicked and started talking about all kinds of interior design stuff from there. So you were with me from the very beginning, from when I uh went back to school to to study interior design. So look at you now. Now, yeah, I'm all grown up now.
Speaker 1:You're all grown up now well, do you guys want to expand on some of your um, your history and kind of your like um or your?
Speaker 3:sure what you're about tell people what you're about.
Speaker 3:Well, I've been teaching for um probably for probably 20 something years now and started doing it as an adjunct, you know, on the side, while I was at PDR, and then have, just over the past 10 years, sort of decided that that was really my calling and wanting to do that sort of more full-time. But I don't think you can ever move away from design. So I was always doing design on the side and after I left the corporate world I started doing landscape design, which was interesting, and everyone was like how do you do that? And I'm like, well, design is design.
Speaker 3:It's all still the same elements and principles and all that kind of stuff, and so I enjoyed doing that for a while, have my own company and I've got one project that just doesn't seem to ever end. But other than that I'm just teaching full time now and really have um started getting into the virtual um aspects of interior design.
Speaker 3:And so technology plays a huge role in everything that we're doing at HCC, and you know that saying about teaching an old dog new tricks Well, you know, I'm probably the oldest instructor there right now and you know, if I can learn this new stuff, everybody can.
Speaker 1:So it's really fun and exciting and you know the technology is just like you said, sherry it's not going anywhere, so you have to like embrace it, I think, Embrace it and let's use it for what it's good for Exactly and try to, you know, kind of prevent the more negative aspects of it, because there are pros and cons.
Speaker 2:Oh, totally, totally, and what about you, Candice?
Speaker 1:Tell people a bit more about you.
Speaker 2:So, yes, so interior design is my second career. I was in legal litigation, big law firm I worked at for many years, but I was always doing some sort of creative thing on the side and built my own home from scratch and did all of the interiors. And that's whenever I kind of found my love for interior design and really thought, oh, this is a different part of interior design. I always thought interior design was kind of like the fluff, you know, the drapery and the fabrics and all of that and I really got into the construction and the build of that.
Speaker 2:And I really got into the construction and the build and then I realized how your home if you create a home that supports you how that can make you feel in that home, and so from then on I was like I really want to do this as a profession. So how do I do it? I ended up moving to Houston and at that point I went back to school for interior design and after that I thought I was going to go into hospitality design and I did an internship in hospitality. I also did an internship in luxury residential and I fell in love with residential because I was actually getting to work with the people that were living in that home and I felt like I could help people more. Um. So that's how I got into residential.
Speaker 2:Um, I've worked for several designers, um, and then I eventually, um, two and a half years ago, went full time, uh, with my own business and I've always practiced some sort of wellness design. I don't I always say it's the way that you actually should be practicing interior design. It's not really to me, it's all a part of it together. I just don't have a separate, like wellness, interior design business. Like the way that I do, interior design incorporates wellness and in every project that I do so yeah, there's actually a certification called well design.
Speaker 2:There is, there is.
Speaker 1:Yeah, so you want to tell people a little bit about that, so they know yeah so there is a certification.
Speaker 2:There are different certifications. There's a, there's a lead associate that you can get, and that's really more for sustainability and the building process. Designers can get that. And then there's also a well-designed certification that you can get. They have courses and then you can take the test and become a well designer. I know that I've seen some communities recently. There's a community kind of out in katie that is being developed a residential community and they're going to be um, well certified, um. So businesses and also, uh, residences can get that certification if they meet certain parameters and then a well designer can be hired and can help them to to meet everything uh-huh yeah, yeah, uh.
Speaker 1:Is it going to be like a wellness community, like like in florida, not florida, and um, sarah b, where's sarah b atlanta? Yes, is it going to be like that?
Speaker 2:um a little bit. I think that they're incorporating a lot of wellness. You know aspects um in.
Speaker 3:I've seen ads for it on tv yeah, yeah yeah, the walking trails.
Speaker 2:Yes, there's walking trails and you know huge, huge connection in nature um I think just you know the natural light that they have you know, in the, in the homes, and I think they've also got some sort of like filtration system with the water, so they're just being very cognizant and they've gotten the the well certified or certificate.
Speaker 1:I wonder if it will.
Speaker 2:It's not like. Serenby is a little different.
Speaker 1:Serenby isn't like it is full on, you know like even they've got, you know, a farm out there with restaurants and farm to table and yeah, Community events. They're kind of going back to the old way of doing things.
Speaker 2:There's another community um outside of Atlanta too, over in Peachtree city and I can't remember the name of it, but it's also wellness. It's over there, near they have a production studio um out there and it's very close to that, and I actually went out there and looked at some houses and, um, it's really really nice, really nice.
Speaker 1:And where is that? It's in it's outside of it.
Speaker 2:Yeah, peachtree city um outside of Atlanta like 45 minutes.
Speaker 1:I think they're popping up everywhere. I think Serum B is on the map because of good PR, Um, but uh it's. I still want to go out there and check it out and have my own experience of it, because it sounds really great, and I think that a lot of these concepts are going to start kind of creeping their ways into our cities and other communities, which I think is really cool. Jackie, do you see this in school? I mean, is this something that's being talked about?
Speaker 3:Well, I mean, when we do our residential design studio, we're looking for all of these different ways of doing residential projects, right? So it's not just your typical, you know, let's just do a single family house. But we've done, co-housing projects, we've done. I think it would be great to do a wellness community. I'm just sitting here thinking I'm like, oh, that's what we can do. Next semester is a wellness community. Um, we try to push the students to just think beyond, just you know, the thing right in front of them.
Speaker 3:And so anytime we can add in sustainability, wellness, those things. But now again it's mixing it with technology, because there's a huge you know uh learning curve for all that technology that has to be in at HTC. We only have the associates degree, so we only have two years and um, so we try to fit different concepts that you know are not about technology, but then we use the technology to to produce the designs and, like the, it's not the metaverse, but it's the virtual reality yeah, the metaverse, the metaverse.
Speaker 3:Yeah, don't ask me what it is, but I am teaching a class on it now well, that's really cool.
Speaker 2:They've got a um. You know, I think that technology can even like that can help in the design part too.
Speaker 3:Yes, I mean if you come from it from that perspective like technology for us and I'm sure you're starting to experience it and have. But it's just a helpful tool, you know, because if you start at the basic stuff like chat, gpt, and you know, my students were so shocked this semester when I said no, let's just talk about it. You're going to use it and let's use it the right way yeah and all these things are a time saver for us yeah huge and um, so yeah so how?
Speaker 1:so how are you using chat gpt?
Speaker 3:well, I mean, you know, we have to write concept statements students do for their projects right and a lot of them struggle with. You know, I don't know how to say it and I'm like, well, just type it in all crazy and type it in a chat, gpt, and it will help you form. You know something that makes sense, but it's the whole.
Speaker 3:You know, what information you put in is the information you get back out and so we're not encouraging them to use it when they're writing a research paper or anything like that, but when they have a writing and they want to turn it into something better and make it sound more professional, we let them use that. But now there's all kinds of image generating.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 3:AI and all that which you know, we're showing the students how to use to do schematic design. So, instead of having to pull a whole palette together with materials and finishes and inspirational images and furniture pictures, you just like kind of type in this prompt and it will give you an image of something, and so it's huge time saver so well, like.
Speaker 3:if you type in um, there's a program called mid journey and if you type in, you know I'd like to um design a kitchen that has lots of natural light. It has an island in the middle that seats four people. I'd like a pop of orange in it and then it will create four images of a kitchen for you.
Speaker 3:And so you know it's not exactly what you want. It doesn't pull up a plan for you. There's all kinds of different ways to use it, but that's one way in schematic design. So you could do that three different times and then you've got these three different things to show the client that may have taken you oh, so it's like the concept.
Speaker 2:Yeah, it's creating the concept so it's.
Speaker 3:Yeah, it's not telling you exactly what the furniture piece is or anything like that, but it's just sort of a schematic. Is this the direction you want to go in?
Speaker 2:Because in school too.
Speaker 3:We are also saying don't use other people's work.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 3:But it's hard when you don't have your own work.
Speaker 1:You went through magazines.
Speaker 3:Well, or the internet or the internet.
Speaker 1:Sorry, I just date myself.
Speaker 2:Magazines.
Speaker 1:Magazines.
Speaker 3:Books. Yeah exactly, but things like that yeah and um just time savers. I mean, I feel like you know you can write things and you know the direction you're going in, but then to put it all together, yeah it's very helpful to use. And then we're doing the metaverse class, where we're teaching designers how to design environments that can be put into the metaverse and there's all kinds of different technologies and file types and all that kind of stuff that goes with it.
Speaker 3:So I'm learning along with the students, because I'm actually co-teaching that with a person so now, how is that useful like?
Speaker 1:what would you use that for?
Speaker 3:well, okay, so if you go online now, you can look up crate and HEB, and they have online virtual environments that you can go shopping in. So, someone created that environment, and it was probably a gamer, not an interior designer or an architect, so that's really a new avenue for designers to go in. It's really, you know, a new avenue for designers to go in. I always joke with them. I was like man, just think you don't have to do construction documents ever if you're designing for the metaverse.
Speaker 3:So you know you could do that. And it's kind of. I read somewhere in prepping for this about and I've been joking about this because we're doing a digital twin of our department that we needed a meditation space in it but people are designing those. So that's a way to use technology to, you know, help with mental, physical, you know well-being.
Speaker 2:I could see, excuse me, I could see like in the like for residential um, because when we um, when we are designing and then have the client be able to virtually walk through their space or any kind it doesn't have to be residential, it could be hospitality, and you're creating a restaurant or a hotel and you, the clients, could be able to walk through the space and get a feel it.
Speaker 1:Then they would see how it feels to be actually physically, almost be there and that's the metaverse, and so, like I see it, so if you, if you, let's say you, put on these virtual reality goggles, you can go shopping at creighton barrel.
Speaker 3:That's what yeah, in there, in this specific creighton barrel that's in the metaverse interesting so it's like you're there almost physically, but you're in the metaverse feels a little like a rendering uh-huh you know, like a 3d rendering that'll change not exactly real yet, but yeah, I think it's just going to keep progressing it'll keep yeah yeah, but you can go in and they make it, so you can do it on all the different.
Speaker 2:You can do it on your phone, you can do on laptop you can do it with the goggles or without the goggles, but yeah there's a place here that you can take your floor plan in CAD. You know, I can't remember Do you remember the name of it. No, I can't either. I'll remember it, but anyway, you take your floor plan and they put it onto a big screen. So it's like you know, with the Van Gogh, the immersive Van Gogh, it's the same thing You're immersed.
Speaker 3:So they put your floor plan on the floor right Floor and the elevations on the walls.
Speaker 2:And they'll bring in furniture pieces that they have there and like a sofa, a bed or whatever that they have on wheels, that they bring in so that your clients can then go and actually walk their floor plan.
Speaker 3:I was going to ask you. I have a new app.
Speaker 1:I'll show you.
Speaker 3:There's a new app that do. You do a lot of field verification and measurements of existing spaces. You can take your camera canvas. No. And you can scan the room and it will create a floor plan for you, oh, wow to actual scale, with doors, windows, ceiling heights. I need that. I'll show you. That's the one, do you remember?
Speaker 2:remember I did that technology, I did a um is it pretty accurate.
Speaker 3:We had a student. Polycam, polycam. Okay, we had a student, it's called Polycam.
Speaker 2:Oh, polycam. Okay. We had a student career day with ASID and I did this technology class. Yeah. I was going to ask you about all that.
Speaker 2:And Canvas, not Canva, but Canvas is a little similar, but I'm interested in this one because you can take your foot, you have to have an iPhone or iPad and you scan the walls and it gives you a 3d and you can get measurements from there and then, if you want to turn it into a floor plan, you send it to them and you pay like a certain amount it's not, it's not a lot, but you you pay them per square foot and they'll turn it into a floor plan, into CAD or SketchUp or See, this does it for you.
Speaker 2:That's great. You don't have to pay them. I need to. Yeah, I need that.
Speaker 3:This was just at the. That was just at the VR lab. We were in the other day, really.
Speaker 2:It's really cool Polycam, polycam.
Speaker 3:See, I know, if I waited long enough, that a new one would be coming out, anyway, so technology, I think is just for us, can help us do things faster and get to the fun stuff quicker.
Speaker 2:And I've been using ChatGPT too, yeah.
Speaker 1:I use it and it is using chat GPT too. Yeah, I use, I use it, um, and it is. It's a huge time saver and I do exactly what you just said I have my ideas right, cause I I think that we need to keep our ideas and we can't just let chat GPT decide everything. But so I'll put my ideas in and then I refine it and re and finesse it to where it's me, my brand and something that I would say with my words but so I agree.
Speaker 1:But where's the line? You know, like, I think it's really great that you guys are embracing technology because it's not going away and students are going to use it. So how, where is that line to say, okay, this is okay for you to use it to generate descriptions, to generate floor plans, but not a research paper. You know where is that line?
Speaker 3:I think you just have to, it's just teaching them teaching just teaching them how to use the tool just like we taught how to use the architectural scale.
Speaker 1:You know.
Speaker 3:It's just making sure that they're understanding that, yes, this is a great thing. It's not going away, right? But how can you use it to benefit you and to help you evolve and discover, versus trying to let it do your work for you?
Speaker 1:Yeah, some people are just going to do that.
Speaker 2:You're always going to have that, Even before any of this you have people that would copy somebody else's work, which is interesting to me.
Speaker 2:I think you know what is the line between inspiration and actually copying somebody's work. I think it's the same thing, what we're talking about. Like AI, you still have to use your own creativity and your own so that it's something unique, um, so that you know it's not just a copy version of something else. So I think that that eventually will you know. I think people are worried about it because they're, you know they're thinking oh well, what are, what are they going to need interior designers for if people can just go in and do it, but you still, as an interior designer, have to put it together, um, and then you actually have to go and source the items and and also put those together too. So I see it as an enhancement to what we do. I don't see it as something that's going to, you know, take away our career, but I think you always like we said you've got to embrace it and you've got to figure out how it can help you.
Speaker 1:And I'll give you an example of what I see here in the clinic and it's, you know, cause in Western medicine technology is is that it's high, it's at its height, it's at a high level, and I see doctors leaning on technology more and not developing their own problem solving skills and diagnose and diagnose and diagnosing. Um, for example, I had a patient that was in pain for months and, um, I couldn't, you know, I couldn't touch it. I told her I was like you know, I think you need to go to a Western doctor and I think that you need to figure out what this is right.
Speaker 1:Cause we're not. We're not changing anything. So she went to one doctor and he said oh, you have IBS. And she came back to me and I was like you don't have IBS, this is not how IBS behaves. So she went to another doctor Crohn's, I'm like what. You don't have. Crohn's like this, that's not what this is.
Speaker 3:I still I didn't know what it was, though, so she went to the third process of elimination. You know what it's not. I know what it's not.
Speaker 1:Right, and so she went to the third doctor and she described him as ancient. She was like he was ancient. He palpated her stomach. No test, no nothing. Palpated her stomach and said we need to get you into surgery.
Speaker 3:You have a hernia. Oh my gosh.
Speaker 1:And she's like yeah, and so it's just crazy, because I think that doctors are relying on technology and if it doesn't show up on a test, they don't know what it is.
Speaker 3:It's interesting because I mean just in terms of healthcare and that sort of thing. Yeah, you have to like kind of figure out things yourself. It's not like you depend on the doctor anymore to do it. You want to come in with. You know it could be this, this and this based on the research I've done and what I'm feeling in my body and then that helps them get to the, to the real deal. But you hope, you hope.
Speaker 1:Yeah, but I just think there's so much reliance on technology instead of using it as a tool right when. I take someone's pulse, it's a tool. When I observe like that applies to anywhere where there is, we're using technology and so it's kind of like well, where is that line?
Speaker 2:You know, how do you?
Speaker 1:teach that you know um, and and how do you stress the importance of not losing that?
Speaker 3:Well, that's been kind of a. You know, teaching critical thinking is always the trick. It's always well, you want to, you still want to have that critical thinking.
Speaker 2:You don't want to always rely on something else or somebody else to think for you, because there are times when you do have to think for yourself and you want to be able to do that and be able to problem solve. Yeah, super important.
Speaker 1:And I think that's probably the piece right there. It's critical thinking and knowing when this is appropriate to use and when it's not appropriate, and never losing that skill because we're in trouble Like, like like you can't.
Speaker 2:If you can't do that, you know and then even like interior design, I say a lot, of, a lot of what we do in interior design is solve problems, and so that if you don't have problem solving skills it's going to be difficult, because really that's a lot of what, where you can be creative and come up with all these great ideas, but if you don't know how to solve problems, then you're not going to go very far.
Speaker 3:It's putting that together, yeah, the problem solving and the critical thinking, and even though, like what we've been saying, it's like I think, it's just whatever information you're putting into any kind of AI that you're using you know, it still has to be at a certain level in order for you to get out of it what you need.
Speaker 3:And I think that's a part of what we have to tell the students. And so you know, even when we're talking about concept development and we try to take them away from oh it's modern, or it's mid-century modern or it's you know Art Deco, it's modern or it's mid-century modern or it's you know art deco it's like that's not a concept, that's just, you know sort of how you're realizing your concept, and so we try to take it outside of interior design to get them thinking.
Speaker 3:But a lot of times it's just they just want the answer and you know it's A, b or C and you're like, but it could be D, f, you know it's crazy, and so you just have to keep exploring with them and hoping that people that really want to do interior design will see that it is a creative problem solving, critical thinking kind of profession. It's just not the decorative side of things.
Speaker 1:Right, right. Is that how people, a lot of people, they see it as the decorative, side. Oh, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2:Oh, I think so I think still, I think I think people are have become educated on what um. I mean, that's part of what I feel like as interior designers, that we have to do is to educate people as to what a real interior designer does, and that's part of, like ASID um association, what what they do um is they're an advocate for interior design and what that we're not just going around, yeah, karate chopping pillows which, by the way, I don't know if I like that look or not I don't, I don't either I don't I do too.
Speaker 1:I'm not sure I know what you guys are talking about when you chop it in the middle and you make a V.
Speaker 2:It's like this is what you do to pillows these days you karate, chop it.
Speaker 3:And it makes it like what.
Speaker 2:Makes it like a V. Yeah, you karate chop, you go around and karate chop all the pillows in the middle of the pillow and it makes it almost like a little V.
Speaker 1:So it's a regular pillow, but you just go and you use your hand, you just chop it in the middle and it's a V that started on TikTok, I'm sure.
Speaker 2:Oh no, this has been way before TikTok, the karate chop. It has nothing to do with TikTok, really.
Speaker 1:Oh my gosh. I had no idea, maybe TikTok made it famous that's because you didn't do residential, you did commercial design, so you weren't going around karate chopping. I was in karate chopping pillows. No, but Finn does that. He goes and lays in the middle of it.
Speaker 3:That's so funny.
Speaker 2:That's so funny.
Speaker 1:Okay, so we've been talking about technology and how to use it as a tool in the profession. What about the home? Again, there's going to be that line where technology is going to help us and benefit our health and wellness, um, and then there's going to be a point where it there's always the you guys are familiar with yin and yang.
Speaker 1:Right, they always transform into one another yes, and there's always that tipping point where it goes over to, uh, the place yin or yang I was about to say negative, but the negative or the positive right. And so how do you guys see that playing out? And where are we right now? And how do you see it playing out?
Speaker 2:I mean, I love technology and the home, but I already see where we're getting inundated, like right now. You know we've got everything is hooked up to either. Alexa or Google. You can hook up your entire home to be automated, which is great, you know. You can have it make start the coffee machine for you. You can have it close the blinds for you. Have it close the blinds for you. There's, there are systems called like control four and um there's Crestron that can do all of these things, that you can have everything.
Speaker 3:Well, it's, uh, it's, it's what would you call those Jackie, it's a um, it's an app but an application, but it oh it's an app. Yeah.
Speaker 2:Yeah, but it's a. It's an audio visual tool that you, you hook up your entire home to be completely automated so it can open, unlock and lock doors. It can control your security cameras. Um, you can have your sound, um, surround sound, hooked up to it. You can have like you could wake up in the morning and you can say good morning, and everything is programmed. You could wake up in the morning and you can say good morning, and everything is programmed. You can have it open up the draperies for you.
Speaker 3:You can have your shower now. It's so futuristic, right, it's so futuristic. It's just like what you think in the movies used to be the Jetsons. Good morning yeah.
Speaker 2:You can have the shower set at a certain temperature and it can automatically start for you. It can start your coffee machine for you. It can start your coffee machine for you, can play the music all of these things that technology can do, and it's really cool. I love technology, but I also think about okay, well, what if you lose electricity, or what if something breaks?
Speaker 1:And we don't really have. Most of us are not technically skilled at handling that kind of technology, and if it goes right. How do you troubleshoot?
Speaker 2:Well, they have people that can troubleshoot for you. So if you obviously like, if you're going to have to call a AV person that did your install or you know, provided this equipment for you, a full system like that. I, I, yes, yes, yeah, yes.
Speaker 3:Do you mind how much like how, if somebody came to you as an intern designer and said I want my house to be totally automated? Totally, totally automated as much as you know the things that you've been saying, it could be anywhere from.
Speaker 2:It could be anywhere from 50,000.
Speaker 1:up, yeah, so yeah, yeah it's.
Speaker 2:It's not inexpensive and it's best to do it when you're do you building yeah do you know that?
Speaker 1:I know a couple of security people that their um internet security like they won't have any of that stuff in their home, right?
Speaker 2:well, that's what I was going to say the privacy is because you're losing your privacy now, because I think we all know that you're talking about something and then all of a sudden it's gonna appear on an ad in your Instagram and sometimes I'm like, oh, that's great, Because I was just talking about I needed to find a such and such, but then you're like this is really creepy.
Speaker 2:Like it's listening to me and now I'm getting all these ads for stuff. So that's the thing where you're like this is really creepy, like it's listening to me and now I'm getting all these ads for stuff. So that's the thing where you're losing your. You're losing your privacy.
Speaker 1:Yeah, privacy concerns.
Speaker 3:I'm always of the mindset, though, like if you're not doing anything wrong, you know, is it okay? It's just sort of. I guess you just have to know when to say I mean, I, I mean we say crazy things sometimes, right, so somebody is listening to us yeah and um.
Speaker 1:I think again it goes back. Where's that line and where does it stop? That's what I'm saying.
Speaker 2:I could see it getting to where if we don't take control of it? Yeah I could see it getting out of hand, yeah, um with the wrong like wrong, people like yeah yeah, like where did? Where does it stop? You know, like right now it seems like oh okay, I was. I mean, is it now going to be? You're going to think about something and it's going to show up.
Speaker 1:I don't know well apparently they're talking about this technology you put in your head your brain, your head neuro link. Is that, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2:Yeah, Now we could be, we could get into trouble if it's like if it's everybody knows what, everybody's knowing what you're thinking.
Speaker 1:I don't think. I honestly I don't think I want to know what most people are thinking. No, I don't want to know. There's already things right now that I don't want to know I'm like, I'm better off not knowing that in my life, I'm better off not knowing that. Yes, yes. So privacy is one Overload, just tech overload.
Speaker 2:And I also think of, like instant stress is what they're calling it. I think of expecting instant gratification can also um be a hindrance, because if you're expecting, like like now, you ask Google a question and you automatically get it, you order something off of Amazon and patience Like I was supposed to get something in one day yesterday and then it didn't come last night, yeah. And then now it's saying it's coming today and I'm like, but I was supposed to get it yesterday.
Speaker 2:So, already that you know, and it's not anything that I needed to have yesterday. But you're just now. We're expecting to get things right away, instant gratification. I see that kind of as a con. I see that being a con.
Speaker 3:I do yeah, I do too, I do yeah, I do too, I do too, and then just dependency dependency and that, like we were talking about that critical thinking, you know, yeah, Well, and even I was talking to somebody at school the other day about you know you're in your downtime when you're supposed to just like OK, I'm going to watch an hour of tv, but you still have your phone and then you'll catch yourself having to rewind yep and replay what you, because you'd miss, because you were on your phone. Yeah, I mean, it's like you just can. Of course I have mine glued to me, but um or strapped and anytime it makes a noise, a notification.
Speaker 2:You're. I do that now that you're. That's funny that you're saying that, because I've had to rewind I don't know how many times. Yeah, shows so weird you're multitasking we really can't multitask.
Speaker 1:No, no, no, you can't. Well, what are some of the pros? I mean, we talked about um it helping us be more efficient using it as a tool.
Speaker 3:Well, well, I think if you know one thing that comes it's personal for me with my mom, who's 92 or about to be 92. And it's really she said it the other day she's like I don't know what I do without my phone, you know, because really it is her connection to the world, the world.
Speaker 2:Yes.
Speaker 3:And it's connection to you know her sister who she texts with you know, every day, all day long, she plays word with friends, so she uses her mind, she's playing games on there and she just really feels connected with it you know, especially when she's there by herself, yeah, so I think in that case it's a good thing for people to use the technology to help us stay connected, although it does disconnect other people Right.
Speaker 1:Because they're so used to just behind the screen. But I also think that's a generation thing, because I think an older generation, like your mom or us, would use it very much like that. And then you have the younger generations that spend all their time on it and they don't know anything different.
Speaker 3:Right.
Speaker 1:And they become more socially isolated because of because they sit at home and talk to their friends all the time when they should be out in the world engaging with it Right, because they can, because they can yeah. So I think generational uh there's some generational issues there.
Speaker 3:And it's helped us in our business, right All that stuff you just said you did a presentation on Right. I mean that's a real positive. Just all the different ways. So I finally have given up on my big paper calendars.
Speaker 1:Oh, I'm a little weird about it. Yeah, I can't make this.
Speaker 3:The other day I was like okay, let's just do this. And then I'm like can I print it out though?
Speaker 2:and I'm always like when I see, I'm always intrigued. When I see somebody with a paper calendar, I'm like, oh wow, I have one.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I have a book and I just can't. I like to write in it and draw in it. And, um, I have my phone. I mean, I use the uh calendar on my phone sometimes, but mostly I only use my calendar on the calendar on my phone sometimes, but most of the time I only use my calendar on the phone.
Speaker 3:On the phone. I'm making that transition.
Speaker 2:If it's not well, it's a Google so it's on the phone or on my computer but everything goes in there. If it doesn't go in there, I'll forget about it. So I'm always like send me a calendar invite or I immediately put it in my phone on there so that helps me. I've just gotten used to it. But, um, one of the things that I think about um technology helping, especially in the home, is for um health reasons. So we've got so much technology um in kitchen appliances so that has really helped people to be able to cook differently People can get. Now you can hook up your. Any of your appliances are hooked up to the internet. It can. Your refrigerator can tell you when you're low on something and when you need to order things so you can have. It can keep things fresher for longer.
Speaker 2:They have different compartments now, so you can have healthier food. Also, they've got steam ovens and sous vides and they will give you recipes. If you say I want to do the Mediterranean diet, they can send you recipes on the app on how to make those. So I think these kind of technologies can help with your health and help people enjoy cooking at home, or maybe people that don't know how to cook. Um, instead of having you don't have to go out and take a cooking class anymore. You can take something virtually, or I think even something like Thermador has cooking classes that you can take. They'll give you recipes and things like that on their app.
Speaker 3:I saw something on Shark Tank the other day. That was an automated system that you put in your kitchen and it has all the ingredients in it and it will make a recipe for you. It like drops the stuff from above into the pot.
Speaker 2:Oh, I like that.
Speaker 3:Right.
Speaker 1:How does it get the?
Speaker 3:ingredients. It's all in this cabinetry above there's like refrigerated compartments. But you have to stock it right.
Speaker 1:Yeah, you stock it.
Speaker 2:Yes, and you have to stock it, so it's stocked like a refrigerator or a pantry, like a refrigerator or a pantry, and then it just takes as much of each ingredient that it needs and puts it in a pot. Now, that's cool yeah.
Speaker 3:How big was it? And puts it in a pot. Now that's cool, yeah. Now how big was it? This, it looked like you know about 48 to six, you know four or five feet. It's like a kitchen cabinet. So they put it like include it.
Speaker 2:It's something like you put into your. I'm going to have to look that up. That was on Shark Tank. Yes, it's really cool. It's something that you build into your kitchen into your kitchen. That is totally like a Jetsons thing.
Speaker 3:I like that it reminded me because you were saying like it will make healthy recipes for you. I think that's where we're going, because it's already starting.
Speaker 2:I think eventually they'll figure out how to make you know something like that work in your kitchen, but everything's integrated, and even bathrooms now.
Speaker 1:Well, I can see going. Just going back to the shark tank, I can see where that would be beneficial because a lot of people in health when I do health coaching, a lot of it's around diet and a lot of people just don't enjoy cooking, that's me, it's totally me, yep yeah. So I can see that being very beneficial. I think you're either a chef or a gardener.
Speaker 2:Yeah, you're a gardener, I'm a gardener, I'm a chef I don't know which one I am.
Speaker 3:Or maybe you're neither.
Speaker 1:I'm a chef, I love to cook, I don't love to cook, but I don't mind cooking.
Speaker 2:So I don't know. That's what I'm saying. I don't know where I fall because I don't mind cooking, and I think I do. I cook because I want to eat healthy but I don't love it. No, no, I've tried, I've tried to plant like I'm like, I'm just gonna, I'm gonna plant herbs every year and every year they die.
Speaker 3:So no, I think you're probably more of a chef. Okay, I'm more of a chef. Okay, more of a chef, we figured we figured it out.
Speaker 1:Process of elimination.
Speaker 2:I'm definitely not a gardener.
Speaker 1:That's for sure. Um, so I read this art. This article just came out. Um, it was uh, in the global wellness they set out, or put out every year, uh, 10 trends. And this was trend number eight and it was the title was the home as highest tech health hubs and I found that super interesting.
Speaker 2:Yeah, They've got, did you? I didn't go to KBiz this year, but I usually go every year. It's the big kitchen and bath show that they have every year and everything. The most change that you see is always technology, and they even had a last year. They had a refrigerator made just for herbs, like growing herbs and everything that you could have in there.
Speaker 3:Yeah.
Speaker 2:Maybe, maybe, maybe. That's what I need.
Speaker 1:It's like a little hydroponic. That would be our need. Yes, because we're not gardeners.
Speaker 2:And she needs the shark tank.
Speaker 3:Yes, you need the one that makes it for me Exactly. Yeah, I like that, and.
Speaker 2:I've seen other small like hydroponic, hydroponic hydroponic growers. Like you could grow little vegetables in there, like lettuces and things like that.
Speaker 1:That for the home jackie, you might know this. Um, someone told me I think she was a nutritionist, I think it was a nutritionist that told me this that she was concerned about those, the hydroponic growers, because they lack nutrients. Do you know anything about that?
Speaker 3:I don't know anything about that, but I mean, I think you would have to.
Speaker 2:Yeah, maybe supplement somehow, if it's not just I could see that because you get so many different nutrients from the soil and then I mean it makes sense, but I don't know what you can kind of do about that yeah, that's interesting the pros and cons yeah.
Speaker 3:Oh, and there's indoor air quality, indoor air quality.
Speaker 2:Indoor air quality.
Speaker 3:Indoor air quality. I mean there's systems. Now that right, you can come in and use filtration systems. We're using the HEPA filters and I mean that makes a huge difference. I think I've been looking into it. There's like whole house systems there's individual room systems right. Yes, do any of that.
Speaker 2:I do. I do have people that ask for that and there are. You know you would hire an HVAC company that can come out and do those. But yeah, they. Because I mean, most people think that your indoor air quality is not as bad as the outdoor air quality, but studies have shown that indoor is really bad compared to outdoor. That's why it's really good to open up your windows and, you know, be able to have access to that. But these, these systems where you can get good air quality, you can even buy the portable ones. Yeah, the molecule, yeah, the molecules are one that I recommend.
Speaker 1:I have molecule and I have a big one at home. Yes, those are great because every once in a while it just goes off and I'm like well, I don't smell anything. Nothing's changed in here. I haven't brought any new like carpet or furniture. Just all of a sudden it'll say bad, right, air is bad and I'm like run right. I'm like what is it? Like no one's cooking.
Speaker 2:It's like I get up in the morning to go run and it's at 4 30 in the morning and it's going off and I'm like so interesting and they even have systems too where the the blue light that can kill bacteria, that you can get those installed and I've even like I have them on. I have some portable um air filters in my house, air purifiers, and they do have that um the blue light on it to help with bacteria and I don't know microorganisms in the air.
Speaker 2:But I've I've been seeing that when we were going through COVID there were some businesses that whenever you walk through the door that it it put this light on you to kill the bacteria. Do you know what I'm talking?
Speaker 3:about.
Speaker 2:They've seen those they're talking about doing it in that that eventually it could be in your home, so that when you come home maybe it's like in a mudroom or something like that.
Speaker 3:And you would walk through. Is that good, though I don't know? Is that healthy for us?
Speaker 1:Because there's this whole dirty wellness Right. We're getting dirty and it gives you all that good bacteria. The good, yes, well, and it helps your immune, it helps your we talked about that too like playing in the dirt.
Speaker 2:how that dirty wellness, dirty wellness, how that helps. And and also, I think, having some bacteria on you.
Speaker 1:I don't know if you call it bacteria, but I think we need it to stress our immune system a little bit, our immune system yeah that we have to have some of those on us.
Speaker 2:You can't it's like if you use too much hand sanitizer and too much, you're cleaning too much, Then you I think I told you this before, Sherry there was a woman at the law firm that I worked at that was kind of a germaphobe and she was constantly cleaning her desk with alcohol and wiping it down like everything, every single day, multiple times a day the phone, the computer, the keyboard and everything and she created a super bug and she got it on her face. She went to the doctor and they said you created a super bug because of all of this. You killed all of the smaller bugs and you created this super bug. Now that you actually so like her worst fear, like, but I, I've never forgotten that and I'm always like it's okay not to wipe the cart and to have some germs.
Speaker 2:It's okay, I mean, and I think it's even good for us to get sick every once in a while yeah just to stress our immune system, to know it's still working yeah, you still want to wash your hands and do stuff like that, but um, I know, the global Wellness Institute.
Speaker 1:They had their summit and our conference and this was right after COVID. It was their first one after. Covid, and they had the blue lights that you walked through.
Speaker 2:Okay, so that's what that's what I think eventually that might be available.
Speaker 1:I don't know if I like that I don't know either.
Speaker 2:I mean, I would imagine it would be very expensive, expensive, but the way that technology just kind of like rapidly um improves and and takes off, that I think one day that's probably going to be available for people. And then another one is um access to, uh, good water quality right, we take that for what I was gonna say.
Speaker 3:We take that for granted yes a lot of times that you know we're just drinking good water when I started doing triathlons I became very aware of water quality, very aware because I was swimming and
Speaker 1:I, we did. I did a race uh, it's called um. It was out in Kima and we'd get on a boat and they would take us out a mile, drop us off and we'd have to swim back to shore. And one year I did it. They wouldn't let us do the swim because we'd had a lot of rain, so there was a lot of runoff into the bay and they wouldn't let us swim in it because they said it was too toxic. But on my run I saw people fishing in it and I was like, yeah, hopefully they were just throwing them back in.
Speaker 2:They weren't eating.
Speaker 1:I'm like do they know this? Did anybody tell the? The people out there fishing? Oh my gosh, but um.
Speaker 2:So yeah, I became very aware of water quality when I was doing that yeah, and you can, you can um, you know, you can get like reverse osmosis in homes. You can get all kinds of um water filtration in your home to help with that and they've even got you know, like obviously you had the refrigerators where you always had the, the filtration on the door got to make sure you change that filter. I know most people probably don't, but now they've got it.
Speaker 2:So you can still get that sleek exterior look. They've got it so that the filtration is on the interior. So you can either put a glass up on the inside and you can get filtered water, or you can just have a pitcher there. So you know how you have to fill up that bread of filter, that pitcher, all the time and fill it up. Now you just put it in the refrigerator and it automatically fills it up for you, the pitcher, so that you've always got a pressure.
Speaker 2:So I could see that those kinds of things being really helpful and help you with drink you know, being healthier with your water quality.
Speaker 3:That just made me think about like so, even though these things are technologies making things more convenient for us, what we have to do, then, is remember that, okay, now we have extra time that we used to not have, so we need to use that time for good, what are you going? To use that Exactly.
Speaker 1:I think that's what I mean. It's just sort of recognizing that yeah.
Speaker 3:Okay, these are all great things, but we're doing it to free yourself up, for you know you don't have to do those to be more productive. But you know what are you going to do with that extra time?
Speaker 1:I agree, I think that's a big question.
Speaker 2:Or just maybe you just have to.
Speaker 3:I know a lot of people just want time for themselves you know, like to relieve stress or do meditation or go for that walk Do something good for your health Now that you have the free time.
Speaker 1:So is that something that you teach? Well, I don't know. I think you have to.
Speaker 2:Well, I'm just going to say me personally, I noticed that I've that recently I started developing a lot of bad habits that were not in my normal routine and they were not healthy for me.
Speaker 2:So I've had to go back and now start to create these healthier, I think, awareness, yeah, and realize, okay, I'm falling asleep on the sofa, I'm not getting good quality sleep, I've got to stop this. So now I've stopped watching TV at a certain time, so then I turn it off. So then now I go upstairs and I I've created like almost like a sleep routine that is becoming a habit again, because it's so easy to get out of your good habits and develop bad habits.
Speaker 1:So I think, being self-aware. I think another issue is, when people have free time, they don't use it for for good. Um, and I'm just thinking about doing hard things, like in building resilience right, maybe that I'm kind of thinking out loud here, but uh, when you do hard things or you're busy surviving, you don't have time to think about all these other things, right. But when you do free up that time, then how do you build up that resilience? Is that am I? I don't know if I'm articulating- myself.
Speaker 2:No, I know what you're saying.
Speaker 1:Like, if we, if everything's just so easy, right, what nothing is kind of pushing back on you to grow or to be resilient?
Speaker 2:Well, you think everything. This is another thing. You think everything's easy, but I also think because of technology that it's our brains are constantly working, so I think that a lot of people their brains get tired mentally.
Speaker 1:They're exhausted. They're calling it techno stress. Yes and so you have these.
Speaker 2:I see this younger generation where they're talking about I forget what they call it, but they're actually just. You know how you have those days where you just stay in bed and you don't oh, they call it rotting where you stay in bed and you just don't do anything and you're just. You know you're, you're in bed all day long and I think it's because we're getting they're getting so stimulated in their brain that they have to take these days where they have to recover.
Speaker 1:That's a terrible name.
Speaker 2:It's a terrible name, I thought it was terrible too, but I've heard them say it like it's like a common word now that they say oh yeah, I spent a day rotting and I'm like what?
Speaker 1:Yeah, but is that really? Is it really because they can't do anything else? Or is it just like something that somebody made up? That's just like they don't want to do anything else? Right, although, like I don't know if I believe that, I guess that's my because, even though there's a lot of technology and it's overwhelming and they have this techno stress and it is causing a lot of brain activity, right, people have been doing hard stuff for how many years? Like thousands and thousands of years. Maybe it's just been different. I don't know if I believe that it's an actual.
Speaker 2:No, I see what you're saying.
Speaker 3:Maybe for some and maybe for others. You know, maybe they do really need that just total nothing happening for a certain amount of time. But maybe it's just they think that's what they need. But if they were to go out and, like we said, do something good with their like?
Speaker 1:engaging nature, yeah, or just physical activity physical activity oh I saw a term, something, is it exergaming?
Speaker 2:exergate anyway what is that?
Speaker 3:virtual reality instead of just sitting there with the goggles on. You know you're going and doing a your class you're doing some sort of training in the virtual world. Okay, so you're moving instead of just sitting there, because you know everybody has that um perception that the metaverse is just going to make us all be these people that have sedentary couch potatoes.
Speaker 1:But the reality is you can move around in it and so I went to the space exhibit, the immersive virtual reality space exhibit that was here.
Speaker 1:Oh, I saw social media yeah, your photos. And it was so hilarious, it was super fascinating. I loved it. But at the very end, uh, you were still in the room and they tell you to take your goggles off. I took my goggles off and I looked back and there were just it was the funniest sight, because these people were just. These people were just walking in circles randomly with these goggles on. I'm like that is so weird it is, but at least they were moving right yeah I do.
Speaker 1:I do think that, uh, technology um teaches people to live a more sedentary lifestyle, for sure, and being more conscious and aware that this is happening, I think is super important.
Speaker 2:I think that's I know it's happened to me. That's why I mean I I a lot of times I'll go by things like what I'm doing, but it's so easy for me to get caught up and start. You know everybody jokes around that we don't our my friends and I. We don't communicate with each other anymore by sending texts or messages. We just send each other funny memes constantly, all day long. So you are, you know, you can sit there and before you know it, like a couple hours have gone by and you just been scrolling on.
Speaker 2:It's easy to get social media, looking at videos, and there's anything that you want to find out about or look at, or is there?
Speaker 1:Yeah, so one more thing.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I want to talk about. Yes, I want to talk about.
Speaker 1:Is. So I can see this being beneficial for, like you and your, your mom, because they are starting to integrate um uh telehealth.
Speaker 3:Oh right.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:Into homes now.
Speaker 3:Yeah.
Speaker 1:And they can actually actually monitor all your vitals. Yes, through, yeah, through apps, and they're they're even going to have.
Speaker 2:I don't know if they've already come out with them, but I know that like setting up a routine, so like in the morning you could get up and you could get on the scale.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:And that could send information to your doctor through telehealth.
Speaker 1:So, like for your mom you know she if there was something like an app that she was hooked up to and then you had access to if anything happened while you weren't home right, which is kind of.
Speaker 3:I mean that's, my sister bought her the apple watch after she fell um in 2017, and so it's kind of like that. You know, it was just that was the extra security instead of the life alert around her neck.
Speaker 1:you know the apple watch and I can't get up. Did I just date myself again? Yeah?
Speaker 3:But it does pick up.
Speaker 2:You know your vitals and all that, yeah, and so Well, I did read that they were coming out with technology. Well, they'll be able to detect if someone actually falls in the home.
Speaker 1:So it'd be like a motion sensor.
Speaker 2:Like almost like when you have your security system and it's a motion sensor. It's kind of the same thing that they can set up and then they can detect a fall, and then I guess if they detect a fall it could automatically call 911 or call someone, so there are things like that that are being developed that I think are great.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and just like you said, with the monitoring you know it could eventually send all of you know these things could just be sent to your doctor and then your doctor maybe could alert you if there's you know something that isn't you know that it's interesting to think about the doctor side of it now too just based on what you said, Sherry, about how technology is affecting them.
Speaker 3:Because now it's so great that you can message your doctor on MyChart. I mean, they finally came into the 21st century. It's just like you don't have to just call. Like you don't have to just call. But I just wonder too. I've seen that commercial where they pick the doctor up on a like a conveyor belt and they drop her off.
Speaker 3:And it's talking about health care it's like doctors, are just like on these conveyor belts and they drop in for a second. They ask a question, they move on to the next person. So will the technology make them less needed? Needed?
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 3:You know or not, as I don't know, involved Right? Well, I will If they're not.
Speaker 1:Well, I see what you're talking about. You're talking about like AI, like would AI come in?
Speaker 3:Well, no, just like if you're doing all this stuff for yourself, so to speak, or having it monitored, and they're just getting reports of it, like are they going to use their critical thinking? To put things together, or just like okay, she's got high blood pressure, give her some medicine.
Speaker 1:Yeah well, I have a story. I just treated a guy who was dealing with some just general generalized depression. Right, he's just not happy where his life is, he's just bummed out and his I guess family and friends had said maybe you should talk to somebody, and so he got on one of the apps to talk to somebody. It was some tele, I don't know if it was.
Speaker 1:I guess it's considered telehealth but some kind of app he got on and 15 minutes they diagnosed him with depression and gave him medication. And he's like I, he didn't feel good about it yeah and this was a therapist and he just wanted to talk to someone to talk to somebody and that's exactly what he got, and so he was asking me for my advice, uh, but I thought that was really sad. I mean like how, how often is this happening and people are? It's just like with like how often is this happening and people are.
Speaker 3:It's just like with anything now I mean, it's like good people are going to do good things, with these things. And bad people are going to do bad things with it. Right, because if you have a doctor or a therapist who doesn't really want to work, yeah. But can figure out a way to do this online stuff and make it really easy on themselves. You know, but then you're going to have other ones that'll still say you know, let's take the time to really figure out what's going on and decide.
Speaker 1:You know what?
Speaker 3:you need to do, but yeah, that's scary.
Speaker 1:And I tell my parents all the time I'm like you have to be your own advocate, you know like, you have to ask questions, and if you don't, feel comfortable with somebody, then you need to move on um, because and if they get mad at you for asking questions, then that's their that's.
Speaker 1:They're not the right, they're not the right person for you, because I think that it's going to be happening more and more, especially with the online stuff, and there's just something missing the mental health side of things, it's like weird, because it's like you want more people to have access to it.
Speaker 3:I was thinking when you were talking about cost of things, or when I asked about cost. It's like you want more people to have access to it. I was thinking when you were talking about cost of things, or when I asked about cost. It's like there is a certain level of person who can afford an interior designer first of all.
Speaker 3:It's not something that everybody can afford. And then this technology it's going to cost more. And then it's like, who are the people that are going to get to take advantage of these things? And then, who are the people that are going to get to take advantage of these things? And then, who are the people?
Speaker 2:are going to get left behind. Yeah, right, because it is. It is expensive, like this. Technology is not cheap, so when we're talking about integrating your home and have all the having all these things in your home, it costs money. So exactly what you're saying.
Speaker 3:Yeah, and um, yeah, it's just who will have access to it and who will benefit from it, and then who will get left behind.
Speaker 1:I think is something to think about. Probably more of a divide, um, that's what we need that's what we need more of the haves and the have-nots well, I think that it is definitely coming and I think that in the beginning and we talked a little bit about this when you were- on the podcast we talked about how expensive it is.
Speaker 1:But as soon as something comes out it's expensive. But then you have the competition that comes in and then it starts to lower the price a little bit. Right, but I don't know. Our phones are still $1,000. So I don't.
Speaker 3:Yeah, when is that?
Speaker 2:of course, now we don't know it, because it's like a thousand dollars, it's just a thing now you just pay it monthly, so you're just like, okay, just add an additional 30 bucks onto my bill, no big deal but some people can't, you know, I mean, it's still a thousand dollars, like it's well, you can get yeah you can get free phones.
Speaker 1:Now there's a guy can't get the latest and greatest true, there's a um, have you guys, uh, read cuddling of the american mind? No, uh, his name is jonathan heidat heidat, um, I believe. But he just wrote another book and it actually I wrote it down. Uh, what did I write that down? The name of his book. But it was about technology and kids and I'll have to see.
Speaker 2:There's a lot of research about technology and kids brains, like their development of their brains yeah, it's um.
Speaker 1:I saw this guy, oh the anxious generation, how the rewiring of childhood is causing an epidemic of mental illness, and he believes that kids should not have a smartphone until they're like 16, that they should have a flip phone Because it's rewiring their brains and causing all kinds of mental illness and they can't like.
Speaker 2:There's certain parts of their brain that aren't developed yet. Yeah, and so that is causing problems and it's and, and that phase, like during during your adolescence and when you're growing like, it's very important for your brain to develop in a certain way. So it is, and and I was reading something about that too and it maybe it was part of this part of that.
Speaker 1:Yeah, he, he. And he says that because I think one of the big issues that's brought up to him is that it's hard with kids because if everybody's doing it, they feel left out if they don't have a smartphone, so how do you resolve that piece of it? And he's saying not everybody has to do it, only a third of the people have to do it.
Speaker 2:I have several friends that don't, they won't allow their kids to have a phone until they're in high school.
Speaker 1:Or just a flip phone. He's like they can text their friends, but just not a smartphone, Right.
Speaker 2:Right. So I think that's super important, that they're not on their phone constantly all the time.
Speaker 1:So I think that's that they're not on their phone constantly all the time. So yeah, and that schools. Jackie, do you have a problem with that? It's not really an issue, I mean it's college, but you do.
Speaker 3:I mean, I'll have to say, you know, a couple of times during the semester like, ok, let's close our laptops and put our phones down and listen. To the person in front of the room talking it's like they just need the reminder, yeah. And to the person in front of the room talking it's like they just need the reminder, yeah.
Speaker 2:and then they slip back into the old habits again yeah, yeah, you know, but it's.
Speaker 1:It's not as big of a deal as you know I guess you would think, but I guess you know if you're 10 years old. But I heard you.
Speaker 3:You can like they have. People can have their phones in their classrooms, like in I was surprised by that well, apparently a lot of um and this.
Speaker 1:I don't know if it was a teacher who told me this. I think it was a teacher. No, she, she's, she's a mother, but she has kids in school um, and she was telling me that a lot of their classes are online and so they need their phones and computers to access the, the, the um, the material oh, okay, interesting while they're in school. Yeah, I'm like, what's the teacher doing? She's like nothing. So I was kind of blown away, that's what I mean.
Speaker 3:It's just like yeah, there are people that are going to like, just let technology take over yeah and then there are some people using it as an enhancement.
Speaker 2:Yes, yeah, I see that.
Speaker 1:Well, I love technology. I will be the first to say I do too.
Speaker 2:I think it's super great, it's exciting.
Speaker 1:It's exciting, it's very exciting to see where we're going to go, but I plan on using it in positive ways, to make me a better person and healthier person and to excel in my life Me too and not to take the easy way out, because we got to do hard things. We got to keep moving and yeah doing things and not letting, and I like learning too.
Speaker 2:So when this new stuff comes out and we have to. You know we talk about, you know, being older and learning, but it's actually fun to learn it, it is. And that keeps our brains moving and you know, going and Well, I think this is going to be an ongoing topic.
Speaker 3:I think so. We didn't touch on sleep. Oh, that's right, let's talk about sleep.
Speaker 2:That's a big one. That's a big one.
Speaker 1:You know, I never until and this is where I do think it can be helpful right, because I didn't know that I was only sleeping six to seven hours of sleep. Six, six to seven hours a night of good sleep, good sleep.
Speaker 2:Well, I need eight. I was going to say some people need less than other people, but I need eight. I'm a. I'm a more. I need more.
Speaker 3:I need eight.
Speaker 1:I need eight.
Speaker 3:Yeah.
Speaker 1:I need seven to eight.
Speaker 3:So I need eight, I need eight, yeah, I need seven to eight. So what are your thoughts? Well, just, I was just, you know, in terms of, like you know, blackout shades and what is it? The circadian rhythm and just recognizing how important I think that's the first thing is right, how important sleep is Like. If you don't have the sleep that you need, then you're not, you know, working to the best of your abilities and I think it's causes stress and health problems, yeah, different health problems.
Speaker 3:So I think it's really important, like in interior design, you could you know again, like have the blinds come up, have the blinds go down, whatever that is that the temperature can cool down oh, oh yeah, that's a big one.
Speaker 1:Turning off your phone. I just go back to this resiliency, like if everything is so perfect, if we create these perfect places right, this perfect place to sleep, this perfect place to function, where does that leave us?
Speaker 2:I just there's, there's well, I don't know if it's ever perfect. I mean, there are a lot of people that have problem. I think a lot of people have problems sleeping.
Speaker 3:There's a lot of a lot of right, so your environment can help.
Speaker 1:Yeah, with that, of course no, I, I'm all for it, I just question, you know well, that's what we're trying to create this utopia right.
Speaker 2:I get a lot of people that tell me that they want a spa bathroom and slash. You know primary suite. They want to feel like they do when they go on vacation or they're in a really nice hotel or spa. That's what people want in there. That's what people are wanting.
Speaker 3:You can have steam showers and and if you have that in your house, then what do you do on vacation?
Speaker 1:What do you do on vacation?
Speaker 3:Yeah.
Speaker 2:I mean like well, or you just feel like you're on vacation, all the time in your home, and you're just always in a good mood.
Speaker 1:I mean I can, I can see that. I don't know if I have a spa at home, but I definitely like my environment. Well, you can set it up to spa like I guess you know I really yeah, I could, I could. They're about to redo our apartments.
Speaker 3:Oh really.
Speaker 1:Yeah, they're redoing one right now as a model.
Speaker 2:Oh, like the interior, the interiors.
Speaker 3:Oh, so I'm kind of excited about it.
Speaker 1:I told them I'd move out and they could redo mine next, and then I'd move back in Because they were just going to. They're just going to redo them as people move out, uh-huh.
Speaker 3:Oh, I'm super. Is there another apartment that you like in? You know, in your?
Speaker 2:you know like you could move?
Speaker 3:Yeah, Move into a different apartment, or do you like the where yours is?
Speaker 1:Um, I, I like the location of mine, but I of mine, but I, I've always wanted a two-bedroom, uh, and the one they're redoing right now is a two-bedroom oh, there you go.
Speaker 3:But the only problem is, it's always a problem see nothing's ever what is it upstairs or something no, it's not upstairs, it's downstairs.
Speaker 1:Uh, it's the patio on the back that I'm not oh, that you don't love.
Speaker 2:yeah, okay, okay.
Speaker 1:But we'll see, we'll see. But I'm excited, I'm excited.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I'm super excited they're doing that. Yeah, but yeah, I keep going back to the resiliency part because I just feel like if everything is, you know, we don't have to do anything to do anything.
Speaker 3:What do you do?
Speaker 1:well, you have more time to sleep and be autistic. You can get more. I feel like I would do really well with with more time.
Speaker 2:Oh, I would totally like if I could have somebody do the things that I don't enjoy doing, or make things easier for me.
Speaker 1:I'm all about it, yeah and I don't think I'm ever going to quit working. So I've always feel like you posted something one day about being more productive in your later years. Oh, uh-huh, and you're super, didn't you? Wasn't that you that posted an article or something? I think that was you. I think it was you. I'm pretty sure I have to go back and look at your social media feed, but it was like you know you productive, yeah um, when you get older, between the ages of, like I don't know, oh, yeah, yeah yeah, that there was.
Speaker 3:Oh, we're like right in the good we're in the good. Good, yeah, yeah and it was like 50s and 60s and then even even 70s and 70s yeah, you were still a lot, a lot of time to do a lot. Yeah, yeah, that's good so.
Speaker 1:I was like I just I like it, so if somebody would, well, we have online bill, online banking now, so I have all my bills set up, so I don't have to pay my bills anymore.
Speaker 2:But like groceries, I don't go to the grocery store anymore.
Speaker 2:I do I have and I did an experiment, so um, I was wondering if I was spending too much money having it delivered because you pay. I ordered mine through Amazon Amazon fresh and we can do that here in Houston but um I you have to pay a delivery fee and then obviously you're paying a tip to the person that's delivering it. So I was like am I wasting my money by, you know, being lazy and having this? But I hate going to the grocery store.
Speaker 1:You get exactly what you need.
Speaker 2:Yeah, so I did so. I did my cart in Amazon and then I went over to HEB's cart and I did the exact same, tried to, you know, do the exact same amounts and things that I was ordering, um, and then I was going to do a pickup at and which I wouldn't have to pay a delivery fee, and they don't allow you to tip for that.
Speaker 2:So that wasn't going to be included and it was still a little bit over $15 less on Amazon and that was including the tip and the person delivering, so I feel like that. So then I felt good about it, because then I was, because I was feeling a little guilty I am, but now I feel good about it. I'm like I.
Speaker 1:I feel like I spend less when I order online and that because I don't go but also what stopped, what stops me from doing is because they don't pick the best vegetables. Oh, and then sometimes they're really quick to say they don't have that. I'm like I know they have that I've been, I've been.
Speaker 2:Have you done?
Speaker 3:amazon fresh yeah, they do well if they, because they have uh whole foods yeah, but they don't this one.
Speaker 2:They don't. It's not whole foods, they have their own like warehouse with their own groceries. Now, no, I don't think so like, if you want something, if it's going to come from whole foods, that'll come separately.
Speaker 3:It's called amazon fresh and I think they have a. I haven't tried that.
Speaker 2:I do hb hb is more expensive, yeah, and it's so convenient, so now I don't feel guilt. I was so excited. I was like I'm actually saving money. And time and time.
Speaker 1:I love the grocery store.
Speaker 2:That's one thing I don't love. I don't love the grocery store, and I don't know if they could develop technology where again, where you could just drive up and they pump your gas for you automatically.
Speaker 1:It used to be that way.
Speaker 2:Or just like an automated thing. Now, I would love that.
Speaker 1:No, like a you know automated thing. Now I would love that. Nope, I go, I go to whole foods. I go to trader Joe's. Now, I do love trader. And then I hit H-E-B.
Speaker 3:They're all on, they're all on.
Speaker 2:Alabama, right yeah.
Speaker 1:Yep, and I just go boom, boom, boom and sometimes I even hit the pasta place.
Speaker 2:Oh, that's a great homemade pasta. Where is that Across from Trader Joe's?
Speaker 1:right, it's a little house.
Speaker 2:The name is escaping me right now but they do homemade pasta and they have stuff that's already prepared stuff. They have a butternut squash ravioli that I can eat there, that I love.
Speaker 1:She's vegetarian.
Speaker 2:Well, no, not really Dairy-free.
Speaker 1:Dairy-free, but she's vegetarian.
Speaker 2:Oh, you're a vegetarian.
Speaker 3:Well not, really, you're not.
Speaker 2:Do you do dairy I? Do you do dairy so you're a vegetarian. Yeah, you're not vegan.
Speaker 3:No, we tried vegan for a while, yeah.
Speaker 2:No, we tried vegan for a while, yeah.
Speaker 3:Yeah, it was right before the pandemic and it got really hard to go back.
Speaker 2:They have a butternut squash ravioli that is delicious, but they probably have a cheese one too, that you can.
Speaker 1:I wish I could remember the name.
Speaker 2:It's literally across the street from Trader Joe's.
Speaker 1:Yeah, it starts with an F, I think Is it um is it in a strip center?
Speaker 3:Nope, no, it's in a house, it's a standalone house.
Speaker 2:It's got like a little neon sign out front right A neon sign.
Speaker 1:I'm going to tell you the name of it right here.
Speaker 2:Fratelli, fratelli, yeah, I don't remember the name of it.
Speaker 3:But yeah, Trader Joe's is the only grocery store and Whole Foods.
Speaker 1:I like I don't mind going to whole foods and I don't mind.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I'm not. I do most. I get my big order from hb, but then there's a couple things like they don't have fabio. Fabio, fabio's artesian pasta, just think of fabio, the remember him. The hair, the harlequin romance. Were those the, the books? Harlequin romance books?
Speaker 1:now we're dating ourselves.
Speaker 2:I didn't do. I never read those.
Speaker 1:I just know fabio was on like a hundred covers cover cover guy cover guy um well, do you guys have any final words? Any?
Speaker 3:final thoughts?
Speaker 2:any final thoughts, I just think we gotta got to embrace technology, I agree, and just be aware of when it's starting to take over.
Speaker 3:Awareness balance.
Speaker 2:Balance.
Speaker 3:And use it for good.
Speaker 2:Use it for good. Yes.
Speaker 1:Well, I'll be curious to see, from a health perspective, how it improves people's health, because what I have noticed over time is that we get all these new technologies but our health doesn't change. So I'll be curious. I mean, like our, the cardiovascular disease, cancer, all those, those numbers are all up.
Speaker 2:Well, we can have all the gadgets in the world, but if you're, you still have to use it Like. You still like even the exercise, all the pelotons and those um mirrors and everything now and everything's. You know you can get all these exercise classes online. You still have to participate. You still have to physically, yeah, participate.
Speaker 1:So that's the but if you have this amazing shark tank, uh device, yeah, in your home then people with diabetes. I mean it should go down right Like well they can afford it, I guess. I guess that's the other piece of it, so so, multifaceted.
Speaker 3:So if they can't afford their medication, they probably can't afford the the, the device, the cabinet the cooking cabinet.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, yeah, but there's a lot of apps right, that are free. Yeah, yeah but it'll be curious over the years to see, because we'll have to come back to this in 10 years. We'll have to see what the results are. Yeah, yeah, all right, you have any last thoughts?
Speaker 2:No, this has been great.
Speaker 1:Yep, thank you. Well, thank you guys for coming. I hope you come back.
Speaker 3:Thank you for having another episode of wellness by design, fun wellness by design. What do you?
Speaker 1:think I like it yeah, yeah, we can talk about all kinds of fun things oh my gosh, there's so much to talk about.
Speaker 2:I mean, you know, even when we were doing our podcast, there were like topic after topic. I don't think we ever had a had a you know, because a lot of people they say when people are starting their podcast, like they don't know what topics to talk about. I don't think we ever had a lack of topic, like when you're talking about wellness and then even design. I mean, you can just like we didn't even touch on a lot of stuff.
Speaker 1:You know there's a lot of stuff we didn't touch on, but like there's like nudge design I would love to talk about nudge design nudge design. There's a book, there's a book we talk about no, we talked about doing it. We I think we talked briefly about it in one of the podcasts- where you design a space that influences or guides people towards better options, like if you have a refrigerator that you put the cokes in the very back and the water is in the front mm-hmm stuff like that but you design a space like or city, where you make the sidewalks really wide and you make the a lot of stops, like in talent in town, where it's faster for you to walk than it is for you to drive Right, so it's nudge design.
Speaker 1:There's a book.
Speaker 2:Like having like an um, like in, uh, a cafeteria, like having the water right there like what you know. Good access to water instead of instead of a Coke or a soda, but I think it becomes really interesting.
Speaker 1:I'm sure saren b would be a great place to look at for nudge design. Like I know, they put the um, the mailboxes in a high traffic area so you're constantly running into somebody. Yeah, so you can have a socialization connection.
Speaker 2:It's the same it's, I gotta think, the. I think I told you the name you could look it up but it's right outside of Atlanta. The other one, and that's they did a lot of um, that kind of design where they're back to the mailboxes and then they have, you know that are all together, and then they have like little community areas where they one area has a fire pit then another area has some barbecue grillsills so it brings the community out to socialize.
Speaker 3:That's just what good design is that's what I agree because when you said that about you know you don't have like a wellness thing that you do. Wellness is integrated into yes I felt this for a long time, like people will come up with these new things. Like when you were saying nudge design, I'm like, wasn't that what we're supposed to be? Doing anyway, like really not dictating but, you know, guiding people through our spaces and, and maybe with the health thing in mind, it's a different aspect of that.
Speaker 3:But yeah, it's just sort of like these are all things, that just what. What makes good design good design?
Speaker 1:good design, yeah, and I guess it's the person designing it right, like what their values are, because if they don't value community, then they're not going to put that into their design.
Speaker 2:Sort of like when people started, you know people wanted privacy and they started, you know, designing homes with these back porches and back decks and fenced in yards, and then you lost the front porch, which was. The front porch is a social yeah, it's to socialize, You're sitting lost the front porch, which was the front porch is a social yeah, it is, it's to socialize. You're sitting on your front porch and somebody walks by and you say hello.
Speaker 2:And you know I was fortunate in Atlanta because the street that I lived on all of us had front porches and they called us the party street because we were always on each other's porches hanging out.
Speaker 1:I love that hey such and such and I wanted.
Speaker 2:I want another house with a front porch I might be the only one out there like the only one with one, but it was very social and we were all close, like we all, yeah, we all knew each other and we were all close with each other.
Speaker 1:Yeah, well, and I think a lot of homes and communities lost that they did. I know I grew up in in a townhome community and there was the pool.
Speaker 2:Yes, but that was it.
Speaker 1:Yeah, you know, like the clubhouse, the community, and there was nothing in it. It was just if you wanted to have an event there like a birthday party for a kid, but other than that.
Speaker 2:You know where I live, that you know that courtyard that I have and it's well. First of all, it was so that we, as neighbors there's three of us that in the front, it's not where you drive in and go into your garage, it is the actual walk-in courtyard with benches that you can sit in, and the architect, when I, when I the architect, when I found out that, um, I read about how he developed this and it was so people could socialize with each other.
Speaker 2:And he left it open so that other people in the neighborhood could come in and enjoy our courtyard. And we actually have people that come and sit on the benches. We've had photo shoots in there and sometimes people come and just sit and I remember one of our neighbors. He didn't really like that but I thought, well, what's the harm? Like I don't mind it if they're just sitting on our bench and just hanging out. You know, it was kind of kind of neat Right. Yeah.
Speaker 2:Yeah, but nowadays it's like, oh, we got to have privacy and everything's got to be locked up on a fence, and, yeah, we need to change that.
Speaker 1:But yeah, what about your townhomes?
Speaker 3:Well, I was going to say it's like a mixed bag, right, because it's a U shape. There's 14 units and then the U goes around a courtyard and all the people that I think there's only two of us that don't open up to that back.
Speaker 1:It's pretty.
Speaker 3:And there's a pool and it's all landscape, but they don't have fences between them and the pool, so they're just all open. So I'm sure that was kind of the thought of that right but the outside, you know, like where my corner is. I even had I took it down, but there were those spiked yeah, I saw that.
Speaker 1:when I saw that picture of your patio I was like, oh, it looks so nice with the door.
Speaker 3:Yeah, so there was these spiked like iron fence that was on top of the wooden fence and they curved in.
Speaker 2:Oh, I know what you're talking about. It was like security, yeah.
Speaker 3:But it just looked like a prison.
Speaker 2:I'm just like that's got to come down. I will person. I'm just like that's got to come down.
Speaker 3:I will say when I took it down though I was like okay, I feel naked. For a while it was just like, okay, that was weird, I didn't realize what a barrier yeah, even though it was just open, but it's still um. But yeah, it looks so much better without that weird stuff.
Speaker 1:I still think about that town home. I just wish I would have bit the bullet well, there might be another one. I know you have to let me know. Yes, yeah, she lives very like in between here and Memorial Park. Oh, okay, it's really close to Memorial Park it would have been a perfect location for me. What's the restaurant Backstreet? Backstreet Cafe.
Speaker 3:Backstreet Cafe and the Rice Box Rice Box. The restaurant backstreet or backstreet cafe, yeah, and the rice box rice box.
Speaker 1:Right across from that, there's like 14 of townhouses, yeah, okay yeah, and the one I was in the 70s, yeah, but it was still they're nice, yeah, and you've you fixed yours up and it looks really nice yeah, I mean it might.
Speaker 3:Luckily they had done a lot of that, but so some of them are still kind of original. But I think it's new people are buying them you know they're renovating them, yeah. But it's location, location. It's a great location, yeah, and that one was a great price.
Speaker 1:I was just too nervous. It was right after COVID. It was hard.
Speaker 3:Yeah, to make it.
Speaker 1:I was just to make that commitment. I think she wanted $250,000 for it.
Speaker 3:I mean crazy, Because it hadn't been redone, oh and then you were going to have to remodel.
Speaker 2:Yeah, but still, you know she knows people, I know someone she knows people, she knows people. I know people. I got a guy.
Speaker 1:I think about you guys all the time. So I went over to the new apartment that they're redoing to see they're like come over, because I was like I have ideas about mine. And so he's like well, come over. So I went over, but this one's almost completely gutted.
Speaker 1:I was looking at mine as just like not completely gutted, but just cutting this wall in half putting a bar here, know, taking the tub out, making it a shower, uh, but um, when I went over there and then when the possible opportunity, maybe I can have mine done, it's like maybe I should call jackie and candace well, I hope that like we can just like knock every wall down and recreate something very different.
Speaker 2:I hope that they don't when they redo it. I hope that it doesn't lose its character.
Speaker 1:The guy who? The guy was there. His name's Eric. He's the one that did the original. Oh good, okay, transformation, okay, transformation, okay. And John actually won awards for the restoration of the apartments Okay good. And it was funny because I told the guy the other day I was like man. One of my favorite parts of this building is that the architect's name is still on the wall.
Speaker 2:Yeah, he was like yes.
Speaker 1:He was, like you know, that was painted over wall. Yeah, he was like yes, he was like you know, that was painted over and he goes and I uh had all the paint removed so we could have that on the wall. That's great, and um it was. Uh. They were built by the hobby. I guess the hobby family oh he told me that yesterday that's really cool yeah, but so they're gonna make them a little bit more modern, because they're art deco yeah nothing on the the outside is changing they're just going to change, they're still going to do the nod to art deco.
Speaker 1:It's not going to be yes but it's going to be a little more modern on the inside.
Speaker 2:They're going to be nice tugs out and put showers in.
Speaker 1:Uh, they're going to knock out. I have built-in uh, bookshelves, uh, and they're rounded, which is kind of cool. They're going to take all of those out and just really open it up because it's it's not, it's not a very open they're not very open spaces Right, yeah, they're very suction.
Speaker 3:Here's your kitchen. Here's your dining room. Yeah, here's your living room. Yeah.
Speaker 1:So, oh good, so I'm, I won't move. When they do the model, we'll have to go and check it out. Yeah, yeah, be curious. Yeah, they're going to take the crown molding out of the ceiling because there's some crown molding up, but they're still going to do like a thick base. Okay.
Speaker 2:On the floor. Good, so Exciting.
Speaker 3:That is exciting.
Speaker 1:All right, yeah, a renovation that you don't have to pay for.
Speaker 3:But if they say all right, what would you want, could you? You guys are gonna have to come. Yeah, I would love to. I'm gonna have to.
Speaker 1:I'm gonna get that app and I'm gonna do a floor plan for real. I'll show you yes, and do a floor plan and it's pretty accurate it's very accurate. Yeah, we tested so even if you were going to send plans off to an architect, you would. You would trust it. Yeah, all right, you have to show me. Yeah, okay, well, I guess that we can wrap it up. Great, we can wrap it up. We've gone an hour and 30 minutes.
Speaker 3:So thank you.
Speaker 2:Thank you for coming. It's been fun. Come back. I'm excited to come back.
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