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People Who See
A monthly, interview-based podcast centered around the stories of its guests. Through lighthearted banter and open-ended questions, co-hosts Dr. Beth and Dr. Esther introduce new theological ideas, explore intersections between faith and other disciplines, and offer ways for their audience to deepen and redefine their faith.
Episodes
63 episodes
Journey to Shalom with Molly LaCroix
In our second conversation with marriage and family therapist Molly LaCroix, she again uses the lens of Internal Family Systems to teach us how to approach our own internal worlds with curiosity and compassion. She discusses her new book, Jo...
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Season 3
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Episode 49
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51:32
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Holding space for the "other" with Oriented to Love
Today we talk with Kristyn Komarnicki and Shae Washington of Oriented to Love, a dialogue program of Christians for Social Action. These dialogues are a brave space for Christians of different sexual orientations, gender identities, and theo...
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Season 3
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Episode 48
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52:36
The Art of Spiritual Listening with Alice Fryling
In today’s interview, Alice Fryling, one of the most influential voices in modern spiritual direction, shares her story and how she discovered the art of spiritual listening and spiritual direction. She explains that the essence of spiritual...
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Season 3
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Episode 47
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53:45
Rebuilding after Evangelicalism
Today we welcome back one of our favorite guests, ethicist Dr. David P. Gushee! In this interview we dig more deeply into his story of being cancelled by the evangelical subculture after changing his mind on LGBTQ+ theology, and how he has r...
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Season 3
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Episode 46
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44:10
Rebuilding with the Post Evangelical Collective
If you feel ecclesiologically homeless in the larger church landscape and unsure where you fit, but know that you’re not ready to give up on the church. If you want to be a part of reimagining what the church looks like for our current momen...
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Season 3
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Episode 45
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51:40
Hip Hop Hermeneutic with Dr. Dwight Radcliff
Today Dr. Dwight Radcliff, Academic Dean for the William E. Pannell Center for Black Church Studies at Fuller Seminary shares his story, his calling, and own personal journey from CD burning youth pastor to hearing David’s cries in the voice...
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50:07
Dr. Cameron Lee-Rebuilding for Ministry Refugees
Have you ever felt like a ministry refugee? Like your spiritual home became uninhabitable and you were forced to flee? Today we interview Dr. Cameron Lee, a professor at Fuller Theological Seminary, who uses the image of “ministry refugee” t...
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Season 3
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Episode 50
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45:06
Chris Haugen - Evolving Faith
In today’s interview, Chris gives voice to the deep feelings and burning questions of evolving faith. He describes the deep feelings of loneliness, the loss of identity and the wondering, “How did I get here?” Yet by embracing the mess and l...
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Season 2
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Episode 49
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49:26
Becoming a Person of Peace
How can you be a person of peace in a world that demands you take sides? In today’s episode, pastor Joel Fredrikson offers practical steps for navigating conflict and escaping the black-and-white, tribalistic mindset that ...
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Season 2
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Episode 48
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47:42
Molly LaCroix - Transforming Fear into Love through Connection
Do you wonder why Christians talk so much about love, but can fail to be loving when you need it most?Due to fear of vulnerability, Christians often struggle with being a supportive presence in one another’s lives during times ...
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Season 2
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Episode 47
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57:01
Whitney Simpson - Embodied Spirituality
On her 31st birthday, Whitney Simpson had a stroke, and she experienced God in an MRI machine. In this conversation, Whitney shares how that moment led her into a deeply embodied spirituality. Her story invites you to use your body to listen...
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Season 2
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Episode 46
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1:11:13
Krispin Mayfield - Attached to God
As humans we are driven by the fundamental need to connect. In this interview, Krispin Mayfield, author and licensed professional counselor, uses attachment science as a framework to understand how that need to connect impacts the ways...
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Season 2
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Episode 45
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1:05:10
Danielle Shroyer - Original Blessing
Today Esther sits down with Danielle Shroyer - spiritual director, author, speaker, and former pastor. We chat about her most recent book Original Blessing: Putting Sin in its Rightful Place and dig into questions like… What would it lo...
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Season 2
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Episode 44
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1:20:16
The Relationship-Based Way of Jesus
Today we bring you our conversation with Kristin Barnett, Operations Director of the non-profit Neighborly. Neighborly is a relationship-based poverty relief organization advocating for biblical justice. Their mission is to deinstitutionaliz...
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Season 2
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Episode 43
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1:07:36
Dr. Kenny Williams - Indigenous Spirituality
What does it look like for indigenous people to worship God with the fullness of who they are? In this interview, Dr. Kenny Wallace shares his story as an African-American Choctaw Pawnee who is living out his Christian faith in the way that ...
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1:10:21
Dr. Vince Bantu - Decolonizing Christianity
Today we sit down with Dr. Vince Bantu, Assistant Professor of Church History and Black Church Studies at Fuller Theological Seminary. Dr. Vince shares his story of growing up in racially segregated St. Louis with the idea that he needed to ...
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Season 2
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Episode 42
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1:05:33
Dr. Larry Caldwell - Culturally Relevant Biblical Interpretation
Today Beth and Esther sit down with one of their favorite seminary professors Dr. Larry Caldwell to talk about how we can interpret the Bible in culturally relevant ways. Whether you’re a person in ministry wondering how to make the go...
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Season 2
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Episode 41
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1:14:59
Dr. David Williams - Theological Hospitality
Does God’s call to love our enemies apply even to our theological enemies? In this conversation, Dr. David Williams, president of Taylor Seminary, helps us to expand our notion of hospitality to include welcoming the theological stranger. Ho...
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Season 2
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Episode 40
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1:11:48
Being the Beloved of God - Interview with Dr. Esther
In this episode, co hosts Esther and Melissa sit down to talk about People Who See’s Beloved Cohort. Esther shares the story of how she designed the cohort and what it has meant to her to begin to see herself as the Beloved o...
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Season 2
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Episode 39
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1:13:31
David P. Gushee - Life After Evangelicalism
If you are wondering how to remain Christian after Evangelicalism, this interview is for you. Today we sit down with renowned author and Christian ethicist Dr. David P. Gushee as he shares his story of being forcibly propelled from Evangelic...
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Season 2
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Episode 38
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1:14:31
Amanda Waldron - Navigating Deconstruction
Today we interview Amanda Waldron - a Faith Deconstruction & Reconstruction Mentor + Clinical Social Worker. You can find her at the intersection of mental health, social work, and theology. She supports thoughtful Christians and communi...
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1:16:37
Joy Vetterlein - Life as a Spiritual Misfit
In this interview, self-described pastor + spiritual misfit Joy Vetterlein shares her story of moving from poster child for Christianity to spiritual misfit - from growing up in the church and working in ministry to embracing a faith free of...
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Season 2
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Episode 37
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1:05:56
Daniele Evans - Trauma-Informed Soul Care
How does trauma affect your soul? How does it affect the way you care for your soul? And how do you even begin to care for your soul? How can you show up for someone else in the midst of their trauma? What’s the difference between trauma and...
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1:17:32
Returning to Church After Trauma with Lesli Hudson-Reynolds.
TW: suicide, self-harm In this Interview, Lesli Hudson-Reynolds gives us the gift of their story and helps us more fully understand the complex nature of our relationships with the church. They help us understand that for many, espe...
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Season 2
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Episode 36
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1:13:52
“Why Church?” Part 4: Joel Fredrikson on rejecting the formula of ministry and embracing the low, slow work of loving like Jesus
In our final installment of our church series, Pastor Joel Fredrikson challenges us to reject the formulaic, one-size-fits all understanding of the life of faith and instead learn to embrace the long, slow work of ministry that embodies the ...
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Season 2
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Episode 35
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1:18:53