Understanding the Interplay between Energetics and Physical Well-being

On this episode with Leah Drew, we dive into an in-depth conversation about how our electromagnetic field influences both internal and external factors. Leah shares her personal journey of discovering how energy healing plays a key role in managing chronic pain, a story that underscores the growing acceptance of this holistic approach in health care.  We discuss how the root causes of pain, and emotional trauma are interconnected, and stress the important of addressing these emotions for lasting relief.

We also shed light on the profound impact of our mind-body connection and how being in sync with our physical bodies can help us tap into our energy field. As Leah explains, building a stronger relationship with your body can aid in personal growth and is absolutely crucial for those experiencing pain or difficulty with movement. Are you listening to your intuition, your inner knowledge? Leah's insights will urge you to unlock your potential by enhancing your connection with your physical self.

Leah is a trauma-informed Mind|Body healing guide, speaker, and host of the Mindful Evolution Podcast. Her mission is to empower others with the awareness & tools needed to optimally support their physical, mental & emotional health & healing. She helps people who feel stuck, overwhelmed & confused in their healing journey become confident & empowered self-healers. 

Her approach guides others to build awareness around personal roadblocks, reprogram limiting beliefs, and effectively regulate their nervous system so that they feel better equipped to navigate the ups & downs of life. 

Through her signature online program “the Mind Body Initiative” and her work as a both a coach & wellness consultant, she helps others turn their wounds into wisdom and pain into power so they can catalyze their healing & growth, enhance their relationships, step into their fullest self expression, and reclaim their quality of life. 

She is hosting a free workshop on January 2nd 2024 and here is the link to sign up: 

https://www.leahdrew.com/awareness-seeker-workshop

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Transcript

Speaker 1: 2:30

So welcome everybody to another edition of Barn to the Soul. And today I have a new guest with me and her name is Leah Drew. And Leah is a holistic pain management specialist, a trauma-informed mind-body healing guide, and she's just about to well, I think, she's just launched her new podcast, the Mindful Evolution podcast. So welcome, leah. Thank you so much for supporting Barn to the Soul.

Speaker 2: 3:02

Yeah, thank you, natasha, for having me. I'm so happy and so excited to be here with you.

Speaker 1: 3:08

Oh, that's lovely. So we're going to talk really about the pain management side of your work, aren't we? But just start us off with how your energy journey began, how you got involved in energy healing modalities.

Speaker 2: 3:28

Yeah, it's a great question and for me, the understanding of energetics and the role that energetics play on my physical body, my physical health, my chronic symptoms and the mental and the emotional components as well it really started when I was much younger. When I was 16 years old, I found out that I had a pancreatic tumor the size of an orange and I ended up having major abdominal surgery. In the years following that, I experienced all of these chronic symptoms anxiety, depression, overwhelm, physical pain. I herniated three discs in my lumbar spine. I was experiencing like significant GI upset, hormonal imbalances. Everything was just like off, and I was working really hard to try to figure out how to bring all of the yelling that was happening in my body down and quiet my body so that I wasn't all this pain and experiencing all these symptoms, and I drove into functional movement and all the things that you would immediately think right, like if you have pain here, you're probably going to like touch and rub that spot of pain. And what I started to understand as I went deeper into the physical body and continue to work with the pain was that the energetics played a huge role in my experience of pain.

Speaker 2: 4:58

And when I talk about energetics, I'm talking about the quantum field, I'm talking about the emotions and the feelings that play a role in what I should say, in how the energy of my body is working and functioning, how the energetics of my cells are influencing the chemical, chemical reactions in my body and therefore, how all of those energetics are playing a role in what my physical body was expressing. Because I came to understand that the physical body is just this temple, really, and this mirror that is reflecting outwardly all of the things that are happening underneath their surface. And it really wasn't until I found myself in this place, where I was like suffering so much and nobody seemed to have the right answers for me, that I started to find the energetic path, and the first thing that actually led me to that was the body. The body keeps a score, yes, but specifically the emotion code. And as I started working with the emotion code, all of my symptoms started to shift and change and all these like crazy little things started to happen. I was like, huh, there's something here.

Speaker 1: 6:11

Yeah, yeah, I often say that you never, you're not always sure exactly what's happening, but you know something is happening and that is an affirmation in itself that you are, you're shifting these, these elements. Interesting, very interesting. And the other thing that I wanted to say to that was you know how? I think people don't realize how much the energy field is intertwined with our physical body. It flows through it, doesn't it? So you know, like if you do a physical detox and have, like you know, smoothies and physically are trying to detox your body, you actually might feel an emotional release as well, because the two are just, you know, you can't separate them, can you?

Speaker 2: 7:00

You can't. You are an energetic being. Your, your body functions. You are living because of your nervous system, and your nervous system is an electrical circuit. It is sending signals, energetic signals constantly, every millisecond, and more than that, right every single day. That keeps you functioning, that keeps you living, that keeps you speaking, that keeps you moving, and for me, I. So. I have a premed degree. I went to school for health sciences, to you know, a predoctoral degree.

Speaker 2: 7:30

Ultimately and it's wild because the energetics are not taught in school at all Doctors don't ever have an understanding. Aside from this is your nervous system, and your nervous system is. This is how it functions, but there's no education around the energetics of the body, the electromagnetic field which Joe Dispenza talks so much about. If you're not familiar with Joe's work, I highly recommend anyone who's listening to take a look into that, because he talks so much about the electromagnetism of your body and how that electromagnetism is not only going to influence what's happening in your body, your organs, your cells and everything within you your bones, your muscles, etc. But also what's happening outside of your body, because that energetic field is going to pull things in and attract things in or push things away, and so, yeah, it's mind blowing to me going through school and recognizing that none of this, even though it's scientifically shown, none of this is being taught to doctors, nurses, mps, surgeons, who are constantly working on the human body.

Speaker 1: 8:42

I know and I always say you know. I say to people when we become ill and we go to the doctor which I would absolutely support you know and you talk about diet and exercise and stress levels and maybe what supplements you need, etc. But energy is always missed off the list and it's starting to be how do you feel and what's going through your head, questions as well, but actually saying what's happening in your energy field, you know, is it blocked, is it stagnant? You know that that just doesn't happen at the moment, does it?

Speaker 2: 9:22

No, it doesn't, and it's.

Speaker 2: 9:24

It is starting to make waves into holistic health and holistic wellness and holistic medicine, and it's a slow process, right.

Speaker 2: 9:34

But if I think a lot of people can have a difficult time understanding this and I find the easiest way to explain it is like you know, when you're in a room with a bunch of people and then maybe someone walks in and they're just in this like yucky, icky mood, and the moment that they walk in, like you feel that, and you feel that because you can feel their energy field, right, and it's the same thing as if someone were to like walk into the room and a really happy, go lucky, joyful state. Like you feel that energy, it just, it's emitted through their electromagnetic frequency and it makes a difference in how you feel and how you're impacted. And so you know, looking at all of the things energetically, not just within you but around you, in the environment, right, the relationships that you're in, the place that you're living, the home that you're living in, right, like the friendships that you have, the intimate partners that are in your life, like how all these things are playing a role in your overall energy and your overall energetic being.

Speaker 1: 10:37

Yeah, definitely, and I always say all those parts. It's like this amazing piece of organic machinery and it's all part and parcel of the same, and if one part is not working right, then the whole thing is not. It's not working right either. So yeah.

Speaker 1: 10:58

So how, how, if people have got, say, people have got similar experience to yourself I know you said that you started with a particular modality Is that something that you would promote, that they pick something that they can just start to learn a bit more about energy, how that affects you overall, just sort of find something that resonates with them, basically.

Speaker 2: 11:24

Yeah, in my opinion, I think one of the most powerful things that any person can do for themselves is enhance their relationship with their physical body, with the way that they move, with how they feel when they move, whether that is looking into a functional movement course, whether that they can tune in and tap in a little bit more, because your body is always communicating with you.

Speaker 2: 11:48

It is the physical, tangible results of what's happening underneath. And so what I have found is that the more connected you can become with your body, with your movements, with how you're moving through space and what it feels like, the sensations that come with that, the more you're actually able to tap into that energy field, because you can understand how the energy is manifesting in the physical body. And I find that that's the easiest way, at least for me, to really tap into this. Energetics is. We are somatic beings. We feel what is happening up here, we feel what's happening in the world around us, and so when we can really enhance our relationship with our physical body and learn how to listen and communicate and speak back it's the response in communication I find that you can really tap into that energetics state much more effectively.

Speaker 1: 12:47

Yeah, and so if people are in pain and perhaps that's a little bit more difficult for them, because I know that you help people who are in pain pain every day is so debilitating. So if people are a little bit, have more of a problem with movement, what would you recommend? How would you start them off on looking at their energy?

Speaker 2: 13:13

Yeah, it completely depends.

Speaker 2: 13:15

Assessment is the most important, because if you're not assessing, you're guessing, and every person needs an individualized approach, and so, more often than not, the first thing that I go to is the breath, and I do that because the breath is that connection between the physical and the ethical right, the physical and the energetic, and through that breath you have the ability to start to ground and reconnect.

Speaker 2: 13:44

But when it comes to figuring out what the best course of action is, I have a really in-depth assessment that I work with my clients and with the people that come to me, that I look at their movement patterns, I look at their lifestyle habits, I look at their relationships in their worlds and I'm hearing and listening to the emotions that they're speaking and expressing in our conversations.

Speaker 2: 14:10

And, based off of all of the information that I gather, I then can best support them and reflect to them what I see, and one of the things that I believe really strongly in is not telling someone what to do, but guiding someone back into themselves so they can decide what is best for them and how they want to move forwards in a way that feels good for them. And so, based off of all the information, I reflect, and then we work together to find a plan that works for them, because one movement that works for one person might not work for another. Right One journal prompt that works for one person might not work for another. One lifestyle change for one person might not work the same for another, and so it's a matter of finding that individualized approach, that patient-centered approach for each person that allows them to continue aligning with the path that feels best for them, and that path is not my decision, that's theirs.

Speaker 1: 15:11

Yeah, absolutely. I mean, what is our paths Isn't anybody else's. It's completely unique and so really. So what you are doing is looking at their life from all different angles and coming up with a plan to help them shift elements, basically.

Speaker 2: 15:32

Absolutely. It's a holistic approach, and my intention is to help other people feel more empowered over their ability to support themselves. Yeah, and in order to do that, you have to know what's happening right, be able to become the observer of your life, recognize when something's out of balance or when something doesn't feel good, and then use the tools that you build to start to make changes and implement changes so that you can shift where you're at in that balance.

Speaker 1: 16:05

Yeah, and I suppose it's also about connecting people to their own intuition, like you were saying going within, and a lot of people are disconnected from that, aren't they? They're so busy thinking about well, I need to do A, b and C, but actually if you go in and connect to that source of information, it might be a whole different story.

Speaker 2: 16:26

Yeah, that's one of the most important things is being able to connect with that higher intelligence within you, right, that inner knowledge, that inner knowing that some people may call intuition, but ultimately it truly is source God, the universe, spirit whatever term you want to use within you. You get to catch with that and as you enhance your relationship with that, you can become more discerning, in an aligned way that allows you to understand how to better move forward. And so, yeah, that's a huge part of it is connecting with that inner knowledge, that inner knowing, that higher intelligence, so that you can make the best decision for you. And we live in this world now where there's all this information, all the stimulation, right, and there's instantaneous dopamine hits from our phone and technology, right, and then all of the things that we see in pop culture that are telling us this is how you're supposed to be, yeah, this is how you're meant to look and walk and act and talk, and it takes you away from yourself. It takes you away from your most authentic, most connected, most beautiful you?

Speaker 1: 17:41

Yeah Right, Definitely, and I know we've spoken about this before. But also I always find that clients that come are just not grounded properly either. We've talked about it a little before, and I just find it more and more important that they really ground properly to bare feet on the earth, not the concrete and infrastructure that we have, because the body just functions so much better.

Speaker 2: 18:15

Yeah, we are meant to be in sync with the earth, and the world around us has led us out of sync with the earth in so many ways. And you know, even as simple as for women to be I mean men too, but particularly women who experience a menstrual cycle being connected to the earth helps your body get in tune. Being connected with the seasons helps your body get in tune and, like we are source, we are the same source that earth is, and so when we can really connect with that and be with that instead of like doing all the things, when we can take that stuff back and just be, it's amazing how much your body knows the way.

Speaker 1: 19:01

Yeah, absolutely. I was actually on a podcast today talking about healing of frequencies and how important it is, so interesting that we come to this round again, because it's just coming up again and again, and I love it that people are beginning to focus a bit more, you know, on our relationship with those frequencies. I think it's really important.

Speaker 2: 19:28

So do you think?

Speaker 1: 19:30

Sorry, go on.

Speaker 2: 19:31

Everything is energy.

Speaker 1: 19:33

Yeah, absolutely, and we're on this earth for a reason and and we need to start looking back at those elements, I think definitely. The other thing I was going to ask you do you get your clients to journal? Because I find that people find it very therapeutic to get all this information and, like you say, the overload out of their heads and on paper and it almost creates space for more information to come in to, to sort of a system. Is that something that you also do?

Speaker 2: 20:10

I do definitely encourage that. I encourage my clients to find a journal that they love, something that makes them feel really good, whether that be because of the color, the saying or the texture something that they want to go to and that leads them to feel good when they go to it right, because it's a year of developing that relationship to the journal, and some people don't like to journal.

Speaker 2: 20:33

I do encourage them to have it in case there's something that comes up that they want to write down that feels important, because our brains and our life tends to work in patterns and when you can interrupt those patterns and become aware of those patterns, you can start to create massive shift, massive change, massive transformation in your health, in your quality of life, in your relationships and all the above. For me as well, when I'm working with clients, I take really detailed notes because oftentimes these little things that my clients says are these little breadcrumbs that allow me to reflect a stronger and a more clear mirror back to them or in front of them, I should say, so that I can point these little things out that I hear and then ask them you know what do you think this means? Or why do you think this is continuing to come up? And so, yeah, I do think it is important to keep track, to keep notes, to be able to have a place where you can express and reflect.

Speaker 2: 21:25

But some people don't love to write and that's where I work with them and I never force anything on anyone. That's your way is your way, and so some people don't like to write, some people like to sing, or some people like to dance, or some people like to hike or be in nature. There's so many different ways that people like to process, and journaling is just one of them.

Speaker 1: 21:47

Yeah, sure, and this is not when you start on this journey. This is not a quick fix, is it at all? It is like you were saying breadcrumbs it's step by step, by step by step, and there's no, there's no sort of set time in which pain is going to disappear or, you know, symptoms are going to clear up. It's, it's a real, it's actually hard work, isn't it?

Speaker 2: 22:15

It can be hard work, for sure, and that hard work brings beautiful, powerful yields. Right, and I think that's the the important thing to remember is chronic pain doesn't develop overnight. Chronic pain, chronic inflammation, chronic disease symptoms it develops with time, usually approximately seven to 10 years, before someone starts to see these really intense, really painful experiences and symptoms coming up. And so, yeah, it does take time, and part of taking that time just like getting to know someone, right, the longer you you long, the more time you have with some of, the more you get to know them, the deeper you can go with them. Right, and same thing, when you are developing this relationship with yourself, with your mind, with your body, right, with your emotional state of being, it takes time to really get to know you and to get to know how your brain and your body function and react and respond. And the more you can dive into that and the longer you you stay committed to doing so, it leads you to a place where you can get into the roots, and the more you can really get into those roots, the larger energetic impact you have.

Speaker 2: 23:33

Yeah, and that's where you know, when I work with clients, I do work with some clients in shorter lengths of time. My preferred way of working with people is in six month containers because in the six months I get to really know them and I get to go deep with them and I get to see these patterns and the way that they think and the way that they act and I get to help them get into the roots and then when they get there, they experience. You know these larger energetic effects versus. You know what I can do with someone in one session. Can I help someone navigate forwards and build awareness in one session? Absolutely. It's just not going to be as deep within the roots as you could go with someone over time.

Speaker 1: 24:19

Yeah, sure, and I think also it's important because a lot of people listening will think isn't you know they're going to be doubting? You know our emotions going to really affect us physically so much? And you and I both know that that's the case and once they've had that experience it's such a positive, massive affirmation and you do begin to, your perspective changes completely. I had an experience about 15 years ago where I developed the most horrendous pain in my hips and it took me a long time. Even though I do this and I have done it for 20 years, it took me a long time to work out, to do that digging, to work out what that emotional stuff was. But once I was able to pinpoint it and I think that's quite the hardest one of the hardest things is to actually understand what is the emotion attached to that. But once you've got it, you can remove it and I did it in one session. I've never had any pain since and it was such an affirmation for me.

Speaker 1: 25:33

One, that we do store emotions in our body and two, these modalities do work, but the real, the turning point, was just pinpointing those emotions and that we just store in our body and can leave for years, can't we? They can, and I find that's another thing as well. I don't know if you get this, but people get pain but they don't equate it to the emotion that might have happened five, ten years previously. That can take a lot of digging as well.

Speaker 2: 26:10

That's why health history is so important, and when someone brings up a feeling or an emotion with me in a session, I inquire about it and I want to know when else in their life they remember having a similar experience, even if it's not exactly the same. Because life is going to test you and it's going to poke things in the present that happened in the past and oftentimes, when that happens, it's going to re-illicit and lead your body to remember that experience from the past by something that's happening in the present. And what that allows you to do is it allows you to look at this thing that's coming up. It's usually someone will call this a trigger, but sometimes people don't recognize that this is actually a trigger from the past until someone asks you when else do you remember feeling this or experiencing this?

Speaker 2: 27:12

Last week I had a friend reach out to me and she has this thing and she says there are WWLD moments like what would Leah do? And she reached out to me and she said Leah, I'm having all this pain in my shoulder. She's an athlete, she's a climber, she's like I'm doing all the things, all the mobility, all the strength training, and nothing is shifting. And she said I noticed this come up for me when I had this experience, I think she said like four months ago or something, with this really intense grief that I felt after she had like four people, five people pass away that were very close to her in a short period of time, and I she said I don't know how to work with this grief, but I think it's tied together. And I started asking her questions about this grief and I said when do you remember feeling anything similar to what you felt when all these recent happenings of death came up for you? And she said the last time I can remember feeling this intensity of grief was when my grandmother passed away, when she was much younger. And I dove into that a little bit more with her and I asked her a couple more questions that led her to recognize that this was an ancestral emotion that was passed down, which is really common.

Speaker 2: 28:36

It is very common and completely possible for you to take on an emotion from your mother, from your grandmother, from your great grandmother.

Speaker 2: 28:44

It's important to look at three generations back and recognize like sometimes that emotion is not yours and if you want to make a change, it is your responsibility to be with it and to process it.

Speaker 2: 29:03

And when we had this conversation, like literally within this text message conversation, as we're talking about it, she's like holy crap, leah, like my intensity, like the stabbing sensation in my shoulder is already reduced, and I encouraged her and I invited her, you know, find a way to talk with your grandmother because even though someone's past, their spirit, still lives on, their energy still lives on. And so I invited her to start to interact with with her grandmother spirit, to ask questions, to put those questions out into the universe without the need for an answer right now, and see what comes back, and see how her grandmother is in need of that grief to be supported. And it's just really beautiful, even just having that conversation without her really doing anything, that the recognition and awareness of that grief not being hers and it and understanding where it came from and to kind of why it allowed that pain to be turned down and that nervous system to calm down and down regularly. It was so beautiful.

Speaker 1: 30:08

Yeah, that's lovely I had, I had an experience like that and what I discovered was that it was my mother's grief, because my mother had lost her brother when she was pregnant with me, and so I had this fetus had been just had all these waves of grief as it was being formed, and so for a long time period of time I would have waves of grief and there was nothing in my physical world, but there was no reason for it and it took. It took a session going back into the womb to get that understanding. And it's such, it's so powerful, isn't it? Energy work throws up such amazing scenarios and things like that that perhaps people don't always get, and it is. It's like I don't, it's like it's almost like a it's more than a jigsaw puzzle. It's just all this tangled web that we've got to sort of decipher somehow. It's not an easy job, it's it.

Speaker 2: 31:20

That's why it's so supportive to have someone that can be a reflector for you, a coach, someone who has got that holistic mindset that can hold you as you navigate the space, because there's things that you literally can't see on your own.

Speaker 2: 31:34

There's things I can't see on my own, like I'm so grateful that I live with my best friend that has the ability to reflect back to me these things sometimes that I just I can't see because I'm here and until she gives me, the viewer, the perspective from here and from this angle, I don't, I don't see it. And that's where it's so like coaching and mentorship is so powerful, because it gives you that ability to see things differently. And one thing I wanted to add here, because we are talking about this idea of ancestral trauma there's and how it affects the physical body, there's two books that I highly recommend that I think are beautiful, deep dives into both of these topics. One the body keeps the score by vessel than the cold, beautiful book understanding the connection between the brain, trauma, the brain and the physical body and the manifestation of physical chronic symptoms and pain and disease. The other one is it didn't start with you, and that is a beautiful book. The author is Paul Conti. I'm sorry, not Paul Conti. I'm blanking on the author right now.

Speaker 1: 32:41

Conti does have. You will put it up under the episode. So put it up. Yeah, but it's called it.

Speaker 2: 32:47

It didn't start with you and it is a beautiful book that helps you really understand the science and what's happening genetically behind the scenes with this trauma that's passed down through your ancestral lineage and through your ancestral line through through history. And it's is, it is mind blowing, it is, it is. Every time I go back and I read it or listen to it. I just, I, just, I highly recommend.

Speaker 1: 33:20

Yeah, I haven't read that one. I'm going to definitely going to have a look at that. It's just great. Yeah, and I think if you listening to us, you can understand that there's so many factors involved that actually it's almost better to suspend logic sometimes and just go with it and take on board what people are saying, because if you try and put logic towards it, sometimes you just get yourself in all sorts of knots. Yeah To yourself, because it's just it's.

Speaker 1: 33:56

I honestly don't think that energetically we understand how complicated but also how powerful we are as a human. We don't get that yet. I don't think.

Speaker 2: 34:11

No, it's incredible, and that's where Mark Wallin is the author's name and that's where he really highlights these things that we don't fully understand but we kind of do at the same time. Yeah.

Speaker 1: 34:25

Yeah.

Speaker 2: 34:26

Great books.

Speaker 1: 34:27

Fabulous. So we're going to put up your website under the episode. But do you want to also tell the listener about other offerings that you have, and perhaps your new venture, your new podcast? You've started it. Yeah, you've just.

Speaker 2: 34:49

I have started it, yes, so my podcast, the Mindful Evolution podcast, releases a new episode every two weeks and it's a mix of personal soul episodes as well as interviews with just incredible people around the world that I've gone to meet and engage with, from the pain management world to the mindset world, to holistic medicine, to spiritual realms all the things. The intention of the podcast is to help people build more awareness within themselves so that they can step into a more mindful evolution and be of service to the world around them in a greater sense. So highly recommend tuning in I would love for you to do so and then you can find me on all social media platforms. My handle is Mind Body with Leah, and yeah, I have a couple of different ways that I support clients. I work with clients one-on-one, I work with businesses doing corporate work, helping bring a more spiritual wellness and greater connection into the community within the workspace. And let's see what else do I have.

Speaker 2: 35:59

I have my signature 16-week program, which is going to very soon be a self-paced program that will be at the beginning of the year.

Speaker 2: 36:08

It is called the Mind Body Initiative, and this program is the exact things that I needed and I wished I had when I was working to optimize my health, my wellness, my healing journey, and I touch on the four pillars, which are the physical, the mental, the emotional and the energetic bodies, and helping people understand what is required in order to find balance in each one of these so that you can optimize your health, optimize your relationships, optimize your quality of life. And then I also have a last thing I have here is a free workshop coming at the beginning of the year, around New Year's Eve. So if you're interested in diving into that workshop, it's going to be a great way to reflect on the year that you've navigated, this in 2023, and help you see some of the patterns that may have come up so that, as you step into 2024, you can work with breaking some of these patterns and optimize the health, the healing and the vitality that you're seeking.

Speaker 1: 37:11

That sounds brilliant. That sounds a really good idea. Excellent, and I will put up all the links afterwards. So before we go, Leah, I would like to ask my guest what is the one thing that you do spiritually that just really helps and assists you? I'd like to just land a question on people.

Speaker 2: 37:39

Meditation, meditation.

Speaker 1: 37:41

Yeah.

Speaker 2: 37:42

Meditation for me is yeah. Yeah, it brings me back. It helps me enhance that sense of awareness and enhance my life force, energy. It allows me to observe what's happening in my mind and in my body and reminds me to be more of the human being and less of the human doing.

Speaker 1: 38:03

Yeah, lovely, that's lovely. Thank you so much. It's been fascinating to talk to you. I think what you're doing is amazing. So thank you so much for coming and guesting on Farm to the Soul. I've loved having you here and maybe we will speak again soon.

Speaker 2: 38:23

Yes, thank you so much, natasha. It was such a pleasure being here and thank you all for listening and sending love and gratitude to you all.

Speaker 1: 38:32

So if you enjoyed listening to me chatting to Leah, please like and share, and you can always subscribe to the podcast as well. So go and have a look at that and I will be with you again shortly. Bye, leah, bye.