Tools for Personal Growth and Meaningful Relationships with Tannaz Hosseinpour

Unlock the secrets to a balanced life with certified life coach Tannaz Hosseinpour as she reveals transformative insights into nervous system regulation. Have you ever wondered how chronic stress could be silently sabotaging your relationships and well-being? Join us as Tannaz explains the pivotal role of shifting from the 'fight or flight' mode to a more harmonious 'rest and digest' state. Discover practical techniques like breathwork, meditation, and physical activities that can help you achieve a grounded perspective, enabling more effective conflict resolution and decision-making. 

But the journey doesn’t stop there. We explore how aligning your internal environment can unleash a vibrant flow of creative energy, crucial for manifesting meaningful relationships. Clear those mental blockages and limiting beliefs to invite synchronicity into your life. From energy healing to the art of communication, we explore tools that nurture personal growth and emotional regulation. The episode touches on the delicate dance between individual responsibility and collective relationship dynamics, showing how love, effort, and respect create lasting bonds. Plus, a charming children's book gets a spotlight, reminding us of the joy and wisdom that storytelling brings into our lives.

Tannaz Hosseinpour
Certified Life Coach, CBT & NLP Practitioner, Breathwork coach
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Chapters

• 2:30 Nervous System Regulation for Well-Being
• 16:04 Manifesting Relationships Through Inner Work
• 28:48 Tools for Building Strong Relationships

Transcript

Speaker 1: 2:30

so welcome everybody to another episode of balm to the soul and um. Today we've got a new guest which I'm really um excited about, and her name is tanaz hulson paul. So welcome, tanaz.

Speaker 1: 2:45

I hope I pronounce that okay pronounce it right, thank you welcome to the podcast and thank you so much for supporting us. So Tanaz is a certified life coach specializing in relationships both with oneself and with others, as well as conscious manifestation. With an academic background in conflict resolution, law and counseling psychotherapy, she combines these diverse skills to empower individuals to create meaningful connections and manifest their desired reality. That all sounds amazing to us, and what really struck me when we connected was that we have so many similarities in our backgrounds, don't we? So, you know, we've both got some law base, we've both got mediation, we're both authors, podcasters and healers. Really, yeah, I love it. Lots of similarities. So you're very welcome. You're in the right place, right? So let's talk about about nervous system regulation, because I think that's what we were going to commence with. So talk us through that and why it's so important and why it's important for our well-being.

Speaker 2: 4:01

Yeah, well, thank you, natasha, for having me on. I'm so excited, especially because we do share all those similarities. So I always feel like you know, it's like a soul connection. The universe kind of puts us in front of each other and there's a purpose for it. So I'm grateful to be here and to share the space with you.

Speaker 2: 4:18

And I'd love to talk about nervous system regulation, because it really is the foundation of pretty much everything.

Speaker 2: 4:24

It's the foundation of our relationship with ourself, with others, with our coworkers, with our friends, with her partner and even with the art of conscious manifestation. And what I mean by nervous system regulation is you know, a nervous system has two states the parasympathetic and the sympathetic. So many people know it as the fight or flight state or the rest and digest, and so there's this misconception that the fight or flight serves no purpose. It's not good to be in it, it increases cortisol levels, but it is actually useful for when we do need it, when there is danger, we want to be in that state so that we can survive, protect ourselves. But oftentimes what happens is we're in that state when we don't need to be. So our mind or body is perceiving danger, but it's just perceived danger. It's not real danger state or that's. You know sometimes how chronic illnesses come up. So the body is in, you know, is kept in that state for too long and it kind of, you know, can't handle it anymore go ahead, doesn't it?

Speaker 1: 5:42

would you say it got stuck.

Speaker 2: 5:44

It gets stuck sometimes in that state yeah, definitely, and that's usually like how freeze responses show. So you know there's an accident. One person runs to the scene, the other one is just standing there and everyone's like, why aren't you moving? It's not because they don't want to move, but because, perhaps that you know, their nervous system has been dysregulated for so long that it can't move out of that frozen state.

Speaker 2: 6:20

So it's so, so, so important for us to recognize how our nervous system, these different responses, so that we can learn to regulate, and by regulate means, bring us back to a more balanced state, a more neutral state, and respond to life from that state.

Speaker 2: 6:35

So, whether you know so, for example, when we're doing relationship coaching and one of the partners gets triggered, at that moment that they're triggered, at that moment that they're dysregulated, they are unable to actually understand and process what the other person is saying. So there is no resolution, there's no conflict resolution when one party is dysregulated or when both parties are dysregulated. So we want to learn how to regulate our nervous system, whether it's through breathwork, through meditation, splashing water on our face, taking a shower, rubbing ice cubes on our wrists or the back of our neck, crying, you know, shaking our bodies. That's what animals do when they're stressed or intense. Whatever the tool is, but using that tool to bring ourselves back to a place where we can actually hear the other person, we can actually hear ourselves, we can understand, we can process and we can make decisions from a more grounded state. So that's a very long response.

Speaker 1: 7:46

No, that's very interesting. So first of all, I'd say, when you, you actually I've noticed that I find the fight or flight quite useful if I suddenly realize I've missed something and I've got to do it in a hurry and and it makes you incredibly focused and right, I've got to do this, I've got to do this and you just get very and, like you say, you sort of cut out the outside world and you get on with it. And like you say, you sort of cut out the outside world and you get on with it, but, like you say, you have to have that balance and you have to get out of that. So if people are always stressed all day, that's too much fight or flight, isn't it? And what does that do to the body when you're in?

Speaker 2: 8:29

too much of that stress mode. So a lot of things First mean first your heart rate goes up, you know level. Sometimes we're like I'm feeling anxious. So that's, that's what happens if we're in that state for too long. Anxiety starts to arise, you know. We start to sweat, pupils are dilated. So these are what, what looks on the outside, but on the inside it's like fire, fire, fire. It's too much fire, and so pretty much every organ is impacted by it.

Speaker 2: 8:57

And you know people, especially with really high, stressful jobs, it's so important for them to come home and to just be super intentional with you know, maybe sleeping on their backs and putting their you know their leg up on the wall to kind of get that blood flow. Taking slow, deep breaths, listening to some guided meditation, and it doesn't have to be a long practice, I think. Oftentimes we're like, oh my God, I don't have time for that. But it's actually like squeezing in that 30 seconds slow, deep breath. It's like inhaling for two and exhaling for four. Do that 10 times. It won't take more than a minute, but it makes such a difference because it's like I always like to use the analogy of a cup, and so you know, every time we're stressed like water's going into that cup and every time we regulate it's like water we're bringing out water. We never want it to get to a point where it's overflowing, because when it's overflowing you can't see the cup anymore.

Speaker 1: 9:57

No, that's a really good analogy actually, and actually I know a lot of people who have very stressful jobs and they come home and they have a glass of wine. That is not the right way to relax, and you know it's got to be something like you. You're talking about some purpose, some exercise. Lots of people do some exercise to help. That's a really good way of balancing, isn't it? Um, go to the gym or go for a run just just to be in that mindful, flowing, meditative state, really yeah, movement is so powerful and I'm so glad you brought up the wine glass.

Speaker 2: 10:36

I've been sober, I haven't had a drink in two, two years now and you know there's back in the day, like not even back in the day, I think even now there's this misconception of a glass of wine is okay, and now we're seeing so much research coming out on no amount of alcohol is good for you. It's like poison to the brain, it's poison to the body. So really like it's temporary comfort that causes permanent discomfort. So like in that, it's like instant gratification. But at what cost? If every time I'm drinking this, yes, for an hour I'm feeling better, but tomorrow I'm operating from a more anxious, dysregulated space, is it worth it?

Speaker 1: 11:21

Yeah, and I think it numbs the anxiety. It's almost a way of numbing it rather than working through it and, like you say, finding that balance, balance, emptying that water out of the cup, sort of thing, excellent, so, um, yeah, that's really. That's. That's really interesting actually, and people who are in a highly anxious, it's actually very uncomfortable, isn't it? I mean, you know, they don't sleep properly, they're very agitated and, like you say, they're not hearing, they're not actually thinking clearly. They don't have that clarity, do they? I'm sure everybody can relate to that, because I know I can.

Speaker 2: 12:03

Yeah, definitely so. Like I have this little thing in front of me, it's a pulse meter, and usually when I'm doing couples coaching, I have all of them, you know, use this. If it's in person or if I've been working with them long enough, I ask them to purchase it off Amazon. And so when we're in a dysregulated state, it kind of goes over 100. And in that moment, whatever we're talking about, I usually say pause, we're pausing this conversation.

Speaker 2: 12:29

I ask one of them to go for a walk, and the reason being is science shows us that the body takes a minimum of 20 minutes to regulate itself when it's experiencing physiological flooding minimum. So you need to go for that walk. Grab, you know, chamomile tea, a glass of water, or even, you know, when it's on Zoom. I ask you know one of them. Can you go, you know, close the door in the bathroom, whether you need to cry it out, scream in the pillow, whatever you need to do, kind of let it out, splash some water on your face and then come back to the conversation when you're feeling regulated.

Speaker 2: 13:08

And if I see you know no-transcript, you know, and if you can't say it, figure out like a hand position, that would you know it, figure out like a hand position, that would you know. Relay that information to your partner. Pause, go for a walk, come back. Okay, we're talking about it. I'm getting triggered again, pause, and you want to do that as many times as needed until you can both speak from a place of regulation or a place of groundedness, from a place of respect and um, that's that's so, so, so important. So take as many breaks and pauses as you need. Similarly, in a you know workplace as well, of hey, like I, it's best we take, you know, a break right now.

Speaker 1: 14:26

Yeah, that's so interesting, though, that you you know people who are in that fight or flight. They're not hearing you, they're not really comprehending what you're saying. Um, that's quite interesting, because you realize at that point you're really not going to get any resolution, are you? Yeah, so that's really interesting. Even you know relationships at work when you you're dealing with people who've got an issue, or members of staff or whatever situation you're in. That's a really good one. I didn't really realise that, so that's really interesting, excellent. So let's now talk about manifesting, because we have lots of people talking about manifesting, but you're coming from a slightly different tangent, which I think is really interesting. So just talk to us about your how you manifest, how you would manifest something that you want.

Speaker 2: 15:21

Okay, well, I think we're 24-7 manifesting. It's just the difference of, I think, what we're seeing now in the content that's out there is all about conscious manifestation Because, whether you're aware of it or not, your thoughts, your beliefs, your opinions and your perceptions are impacting your experience of reality. Conscious manifestation, which is what we're learning now, is how do I use my thoughts, my beliefs, my opinions and my perceptions to my advantage, and I actually have a book coming out on this, called Shifting Reality the Five Steps to Conscious Manifestation. I'm so excited for that to come up because it really is an accumulation of over 15 years of research and trial and error. And back, I remember when the secret first came out. It's like just think positive thoughts, and I was like, okay, well, why isn't it happening?

Speaker 1: 16:12

I'm thinking all these great thoughts, yeah a bit wide, that that was a bit wide, yeah, yeah, it was so odd and I'm like, uh, where's the check? Yeah, that's a very good point, though we are always doing it, aren't we? We are, it's a constant. That's what we're about, that's how we, you know, and I think, like you say, that the the sort of focus is on conscious manifesting. Actually, it's about being in that state of gratitude, that state of expansion, all the time, if possible, because then you are you know, I find it fascinating because I'll think about something and then something.

Speaker 1: 16:55

Or you know, somebody will contact me and say do you want me on the podcast talking about the thing I was thinking about? And I think that's really interesting that something like that happens. Or you know, there'll be like two or three posts on Facebook about it, or I don't know. And it's almost like the energy of your thought, if you're in the right state, will bring something on a similar vibration to you. Yeah, and like you say, it's if you're in a good nervous state. You know you've got that regulation you are keeping yourself in that right state in order to manifest.

Speaker 2: 17:34

Yeah, yeah, thank you so much for tying that to nervous system regulation, because it really is the foundation of manifestation it's. I always try to visualize manifestation as like a vessel. I always try to visualize manifestation as like a vessel, like a cylinder tube, and I say our body is the cylinder tube. We are here for the universe's vision to manifest through us. Nothing comes from us. The book I wrote doesn't come from me. I didn't write those words. I was just the medium through which I channeled those words. I was just the medium through which I channeled those words.

Speaker 2: 18:10

So if we can visualize the cylinder that we are, we want to make sure that water can flow through it with ease. And so we want to like you know, when we're dysregulated, the cylinder like there's like imagine like there's like trash in it or there's like blockages in it that are not allowing the water to flow with ease. So we always want to be in a regulated state so that the creative energetic force can flow through us, the solutions can flow through us, the visions, the ideas, the words. And that's where nervous system regulation comes from and that's where we want to also work on kind of letting, releasing all the limiting blockages that are within us, whether it's blockages we've received from our family of origin, our community of you know their perspective of something is not possible or I'm not enough, I'm not smart enough, I'm not, you know, whatever it is these, these not enough narratives and not possible narratives. We want to release them again, just to create space for that water to flow through us.

Speaker 1: 19:28

That is basically what I teach, but I it's about. What I teach is about that's your energy field and that's you know. We want to clear your energy field, we want to get rid of the limiting beliefs and the blockages, and then you know, you are going to move through life in a much more centered and balanced way. So we talk about the same, the same thing, but slightly slightly different. Focus you on the nervous system, me on the energy field. But actually we're saying the same thing very, very synchronistic there.

Speaker 1: 20:00

So when I talk about manifesting, I talk about yeah, you know exactly the same as you, you've got to remove those limiting beliefs, but I see them in the energy field and. But the energy field and the physical reality are completely tied together, you know. So if you do say I don't know, you decide to do some detox smoothies and drinks. You know every. You know one a week or whatever, one a day, I mean for a week and then you will find that you release emotional stuff as well, if you're, if you're watching for it, and it's old stuff and you you don't want to engage, you just want it to release and float away. So actually we, we talk about the same thing, which is fascinating.

Speaker 2: 20:46

I love that and I think that's so. I love that you shared that because you know, ultimately we are all guiding each other home as Baba Ram. Das would say. So it's just you know, it's what, whose voice reminds you of your truth? Yeah, and just you know. That's why we're here. We're just here to kind of really help everyone go back to their truth and in our area of expertise, but the intention, the purpose, is still the same, so I love that.

Speaker 1: 21:19

And I love the fact you talk about channeling your book, because I am absolutely on the same page with that. You know, when I was writing my book, sometimes I'd read it back and think, did I write that? And it's it's because I think a lot of it was channeled. A lot of it was channeled. So, um, yeah, that's fascinating, isn't it? I love that. That's. That's really good. Okay, so how can, um you talked about relationships a little there do you, do you also sort of say to people work on yourself first and then your relationship, or do you sort of do it all at the same time? Do they sort of you know there's like a complementary thing going on in a relationship, or do you sort of think, say you need to get your system regulated, you need to get yours, and then we'll do? You see what I'm saying?

Speaker 2: 22:20

yeah, yeah. So in a relationship, there's actually three entities there's me, there's you, there's us. So when I'm fully in charge of me, I'm 50% in charge of us, I'm 0% in charge of you. So it's like the level of accountability and responsibility associated to each entity. Now, when it comes to my, you know the 100% that I'm responsible for, which is me. Yes, that's where the inner work comes in, going in, you know, recognizing my relational beliefs, my patterns, you know my nervous system, making sure that I'm regulated so that when there is conflict, which is inevitable, I can come from a place of understanding and compassion instead of reactivity. Then it's the us component, which is 50%.

Speaker 2: 23:10

This is my responsibility to learn relational tools and skills that none of us were taught. You know, in school no one was taught how to communicate in a non-defensive, non-critical way. No one was taught how to cultivate emotional, intellectual, spiritual intimacy with their partner. No one is taught like rituals of connection. These are all topics that Bless, the Gottman Institute has, you know, with lots of research, like people, like Esther Perel, lots of research. Come and give us these tools. Now it's our responsibility to learn them and to practice them in the relationship.

Speaker 2: 23:48

So, when a couple comes to me, I'm like okay, each one of you is responsible for two things. One, you work on yourself, you work on your personal relational beliefs, you're getting clear on your values, getting clear on how to stay grounded, and then you're also going to learn these tools that are actually going to help you cultivate that healthy relationship. Because it's not. People are like tell me how to manifest a healthy relationship. I'm like you can't. You can't manifest a healthy relationship, but you can entertain someone who is willing to grow with you, to do the work with you and manifest the capacity, the capability, the openness to learn these tools to practice. But it's like you know it's both. So, to answer your questions, both is I have to work on self and I have to work on my 50% of the relationship, which is actually learning the tools and the skills.

Speaker 1: 24:48

Yeah, and actually it's often seen as a negative thing, isn't it? Oh, we're going to couple counseling. Actually, it's really, really smart to go and work on your relationship, isn't it? You know, and how you? Because you're right, you're not taught that. We should be really taught how. I mean that what life's about, isn't it relationships, and yet we're not taught that. So, um, that's a really smart thing for any couple to do.

Speaker 2: 26:11

I think, a hundred percent. I mean, especially if you're being proactive with it. I mean, when my partner and I got together, it was so important for us to be proactive because no one can really see their rear view blind spots right. So it's like, can we have a third person, kind of notice them, to give us the tools? You know, our friends and our family are great, especially if they're not the type of people to put, you know, a fuel to the fire. But still, everyone is responding from their own inner beliefs, thoughts, opinions and perceptions and most people don't have you know, the academics or the experience to kind of say, okay, this like, for example, people who are trained by the godman institute within the first three seconds of a conversation they can tell if it's going to end up in a fight or not. That's based on experience. That's based on you know, their learnings, their teachings. So when you're working with a professional, they can call you out so much sooner.

Speaker 1: 27:10

Yeah, like this I know a relative or a friend who is not probably going to call you out in quite the same way, but yeah, yeah you need someone who's neutral, who's just gonna say, actually that's, that's not appropriate or whatever.

Speaker 2: 27:27

It is sort of thing and then give you the right tool, give you the right skill and you know it's the. We're seeing that couples take an average of six years of being in disharmony before they seek professional help. That's a long time. That's so long, and I think a lot of it has to do with this tabooness of if we go to you know, see a professional, does that mean that we can't figure it out on our own or we're doomed?

Speaker 1: 28:02

Or we haven't worked hard enough, or you know, see, a professional, does that mean that we can't figure it out on our own, or we're doomed, and it's we haven't worked hard enough, or you know that sort of thing Again, that's just, you know, a negative thought, isn't it? We're not good enough in a way. Yeah, Excellent. So when, when somebody you know has to work on themselves and because we all do, let's face it, we all need to work on ourselves constantly what do you recommend that they do? Do you recommend that they do the breath work, the meditation, energy healing work? What do you sort of suggest? Or do you let them go off and find what they resonate with?

Speaker 2: 28:34

Yeah, I think you know are like for me. I always see my role is I'm going to provide you with the toolbox and you find the tool that resonates most with you. I want you to have all the resources at your disposal. You know breathwork. Of course we have two different. We have, you know, variations of breathwork, from simply breathing. You know slow, deep breaths. That, again, a lot of us were not taught. I didn't even know how to breathe properly until I went through my breathwork certification. I was like, wow, what have?

Speaker 1: 29:04

I been doing my whole life. I know that's exactly what I remember doing a yoga class once. I just couldn't get the breathwork and he kept looking at me as if to think how do I not know how to breathe when he's saying breathe out, I'm breathing in, and I just could not get it. Not a natural, not a natural breather.

Speaker 2: 29:26

But I mean, we weren't taught this. Again, it's not something that you know. Schools you know. Yeah, we had to do like swimming class, but no one really taught us how to breathe for swimming class.

Speaker 2: 29:35

No exactly class, but no one really taught us how to breathe for swimming class. So you know breath work, meditation, energy healing. You know, you know Reiki visualization. It's like my responsibility is to give you a dose of every single one of them, or to refer you to someone who can, you know, give that dose to you if I'm not, if I'm not trained in it? And then you pick, and then you have a huge toolbox at your disposal, because sometimes I'm dysregulated and breathwork is the one I go to, but sometimes I'm dysregulated and I choose a different modality. So it's like you want to have as many tools within reach so that you never feel like you're not supported in that moment. Yeah Right, you want to kind of put it all for your win, like you want to plan your win, you want to set yourself up for success.

Speaker 1: 30:32

So you've always got an option. Basically, yes, yeah.

Speaker 1: 30:36

I think that's really, that's really wise advice actually Working on yourself and then working on yourself as a whole, the couple as a whole, and that's, I'm sure, really powerful, powerful work and probably really quite shocking to people. What is revealed as to how people react towards each other, how they're triggered. You know I was. You know, just often it's an opposite, isn't it? You know, I hate you saying that. I always thought I was paying you a compliment. You know it's like. You know. So it's just about perception and just working together to reach that well-rounded relationship, really, isn't it?

Speaker 2: 31:23

yeah, yeah, just being curious with one another because, exactly as you said, we're going to perceive things differently.

Speaker 2: 31:30

I might say something that has no meaning in my life, but for my partner it might. It might remind them of this past trauma wound. Maybe in middle school someone bullied them with that word and so it has a different definition, a different meaning associated to it. And if I'm not curious enough to pause and say I'd love to know why you responded the way you responded, and just kind of have that open line of communication for us to constantly be curious, because also the version of me today is not the version of me yesterday. So part of a healthy marriage is wanting to get to know each other every single day and letting go of who they were in the past at these. So that's where we let go of assumptions and just like curiosity is the biggest superpower, I think, in relationships.

Speaker 1: 32:21

And letting go of who they were in the past. So that's where we let go of assumptions and, just like, curiosity is the biggest superpower, I think, in relationships. Yeah, and if they're both working on each other, working on themselves energetically, they are going to shift and change. Yeah, they've got to make sure that they shift and change along the same path, along the same direction, because otherwise, if they're going in opposite directions, that's going to be difficult in itself, isn't it? So relationships are very difficult, I've decided. They are not an easy thing. They're a very human thing and we need them and we need relationships at work and we need friends and we need partners. But, but gosh, they're hard work at times, you know I feel like it's a full-time job.

Speaker 2: 33:00

To be honest, it really is a full-time job because, you know, sometimes I'm like you know I love them. Is that not enough? And I'm like, no, it's not enough. Love is the cherry on top, like the foundation of the cake is respect, effort, consistency, transparency, honesty all of these in any dynamic, even in friendships. So it's like you have to show up with an intention of I'm going to pour into this entity for it to grow and vice versa, both parties. And it doesn't mean you're going to show up every day with 100%. Some days you show up with 10, your partner kind of picks up the other 19. But it's just that fluidity of we're both committed to doing the work, to putting in the effort, so we don't want to take each other for granted.

Speaker 1: 33:50

No, no, it's a very evolving process, isn't it? And you've got to it. Just, it isn't a static process, and I think that's where some people get stuck, really. They married this person or they're together with this person and they want that person to stay as at that point, and that just doesn't work, does it? So a very um, move, move, lots of movement, basically fascinating. Thank you so much to nas, so I will put all your details underneath the episode, of course but, before we finish, I just wanted to talk to you about your books now.

Speaker 1: 34:29

I know you have got one coming out, is that right? But you have a children's book as well, don't you? Yeah, it's a children's board.

Speaker 2: 34:38

Yes, it's called um sam's adventures at the park and it's just about a little boy who goes to the park with his grandfather and the park comes to life and, um, you know, every element in the park teaches sam a life lesson and there's a lot of spiritual themes in it in a very playful, fun way, and actually I channeled it. I was living in London at the time and I was in Green Park and the whole script came to me within one walk that I was taking with my dog. I ran home, I typed it all out. I was like, wow, thankfully I remembered everything and, yeah, I loved that. That was such a fun creation and this one that's coming out is Shifting Reality, which is an adult's book on the art of conscious manifestation.

Speaker 1: 35:28

Yeah, yeah, fabulous. I love that. And we were talking a little before, weren't we? About how, you know, stories can teach and, like your book, spiritual themes and very much I've done that in my book about, you know, just letting people be aware that this exists and, if you want to take it further, it resonates with you or you know, so it is a I suppose that's a very ancient concept, isn't it? Teaching by stories. But I love it, I love it. That sounds great and a great way for kids to. Perhaps, I don't know, kids don't have filters, do they? They just take it all on board anyway, so they can really sort of, um, get lost in all that spiritual stuff and and they just, they accept it, don't they?

Speaker 2: 36:15

And I think that's lovely it really is Such a good time to like allow yourself to plant the seeds yeah, you know, empowering seeds where the universe is working for me, I'm supported, I'm guided. You know, we really want to empower our kids with these beliefs that the universe has their back, and imagine growing through life with that belief. Like I get goosebumps thinking about that.

Speaker 1: 36:45

So important as well for our younger generation to feel that they are supported in that way, with an unseen force, however they want to call that, but there is support there, so I love that. That's really great. Well, thank you, tanaz. Thank you so much for coming on and talking to. I've really enjoyed um chatting to you and um, yeah, thank you, and I will put all your details up under the episode. So thank you very much for coming on and supporting us thank you, natasha, for having me on.

Speaker 1: 37:18

You asked really reflective, amazing questions and it was an honor to share it all with you oh lovely, thank you, and if you've enjoyed listening to um, to Naz and I talk, then please like and share and um, I'll talk to you all again soon.