The Heart vs. The Mind: Who Holds the Truth? with Joy Baker

Welcome to an enlightening conversation with Joy Baker, a revolutionary spiritual healer and transformational coach. In this episode, we explore the pervasive impact of generational patterns and beliefs that often hinder our personal growth and emotional well-being. Joy discusses her unique approach that combines spiritual healing with practical techniques to help individuals break free from inherited negative patterns. With her compassionate insights, she encourages listeners to engage with their inner selves and explore the heart's wisdom. 

Throughout our discussion, Joy highlights the significance of asking empowering questions and trusting one's intuition. She shares her profound experiences and client stories that illustrate the transformative power of releasing stuck emotions rooted in ancestral trauma. As many individuals navigate their awakening journey, Joy sheds light on the essential role of compassion and understanding in healing not just ourselves but also the collective consciousness.

Finally, Joy guides us through a powerful meditation, allowing us to connect with our heart energy and support our own healing journey. Join us as we unravel the complexities of generational beliefs and embrace a path toward personal empowerment and freedom. Don't forget to subscribe, share this episode, and leave a review!

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Chapters

• 0:00 Introduction to Joy Baker
• 4:58 Joy's Journey into Spiritual Healing
• 8:18 Understanding Generational Beliefs
• 18:44 The Great Awakening and Its Challenges
• 29:09 Transformational Techniques for Healing
• 38:24 The Role of Trust in Intuitive Work
• 48:34 The Power of Compassion in Healing
• 58:44 Breaking Ancestral Chains with Empowering Questions
• 1:08:54 Conclusion and Group Meditation Session

Transcript

Speaker 1: 2:30

so welcome everybody to another edition of barn to the soul, and today we have a new guest and her name is joy baker. So thank you for joining us on the podcast thank you for having me.

Speaker 2: 2:43

Having me on, natasha, it's great to be here it's pleasure.

Speaker 1: 2:47

I always enjoy talking to a new guest about what they're up to, so let me, um, just explain who you are. So Joy Baker is a revolutionary spiritual healer and transformational coach who employs a unique multi-dimensional approach to help clients break free from generational patterns and limiting beliefs. Using her extraordinary ability to identify and release emotional frequency, joy works with divine light and her spiritual guides to clear deep-seated blockages in money, relationships and personal growth.

Speaker 2: 3:24

It all sounds fascinating yeah, it's been a deep, intense journey.

Speaker 1: 3:29

Definitely, I bet I bet what really jumped out at me and what's really been coming up for me lately and for myself as well, actually, funnily enough is the ancestral or generational beliefs. You work with those, don't you? So how do those beliefs manifest in our daily lives?

Speaker 2: 3:55

If you're feeling stuck, if you're having money issues, if you are, you know trauma that's passed down generation to generation, even if you never really experienced it, and it does skip a generation and it can still affect you. And then, if you have experienced that trauma because trauma and abuse is often passed down from generation to generation, because the the trauma and the abuse, it aligns with the belief systems of you know, your, the ancestors and such so when you're thinking the same, you're feeling the same and you've gone through any kind of trauma and abuse, and that includes neglect or just you know your, your parents or whoever raised you not really being there for you or or kind of, uh, you know, cast aside or abandoned and such, and that it's passed down generation to generation. But we are I call it the great awakening, what we're going through right now. The whole world is in chaos, really.

Speaker 2: 4:55

Yeah and, but it's causing us, causing people to awaken. It's not easy, there's nothing easy about this, but it is causing a lot of people to awaken and so we are right in the midst. A lot of people are really, uh, questioning those beliefs and saying is this really true? And in fact I was just talking to a client this morning about the hardest journey we'll ever be on is a journey from the mind to the heart, and our ancestors and you know, generally our parents as well were taught, were taught, how to, you know, be from the heart, to listen from the heart, to listen from the heart, to really drop into your heart and ask your heart and sometimes your heart will be, it might say one word, or it'll show you the emotion that it wants, what it needs and such, or the mind will give you all kinds of answers. So it's so much easier to go to the mind.

Speaker 2: 5:49

But when you go to the mind, then often you're stuck in those same belief, belief systems or you know, and structures and feeling the same way. So the biggest way to to get through that is to ask yourself questions like is this really true? Because when you really get down to it, it's you really go into that and you even ask yourself is this really true? And often you go far enough down and you realize it's just something you learned, it's not a divine truth. So you can ask yourself is this really a divine truth? And I learned this? And it might appear to be true because all your experiences are backing that up. But when you go far enough back you realize it's something you were taught and your, your parents or whoever raised you, were taught and you know their parents were taught that, and so the more your awareness is the first step to growth, so the more you're aware of it, then you can really start to move through some, you know, stuckness and such yeah, I find it fascinating the clearing that I did.

Speaker 1: 6:53

generational was that we all had to make a very similar decision at a very difficult point in our lives and it was so fascinating to sort of suddenly identify that and get clarity on that it was. It wasn't perhaps what I would think of as generational healing you, you know, making a decision, but it's funny how it came about. But fascinating, and I've had quite a few clients of late who there's been something ancestrally going on. I feel like it's something that's really being brought up to be cleared at the moment.

Speaker 2: 7:31

Yeah, yeah, I agree, a lot of people are, because people are waking up. So many people all around the world are waking up and whether even if it's globally or it's in a person's individual life, you know they're starting to ask like is this really true and does it have to be done this way? And what if I did this? And actually, a decision is actually a great way to break the um, like the ancestral chains, and such is because when you make a different decision, or when you consciously choose to talk, to communicate and listen to your heart rather than your mind, you are shifting all your ancestral conditioning yeah yeah, fascinating.

Speaker 1: 8:19

So what's your most surprising discovery about breaking these inherited patterns?

Speaker 2: 8:29

that's a good question. Actually, I would say that it is possible to be free. It is possible to feel and be healthy and abundant and to feel free and expansive and to feel good about yourself. Your past and your ancestors' past does not define you. It doesn't define you, no matter what you've been through define you. It doesn't define you no matter what you've been through. So when you can start to really unravel that and realize how that is keeping you stuck whether it's finance or health or relationships or career or anything like that then you can start to be free. And freedom is an inside job. So when you can start to unravel that and your energy expands out and you feel lighter in mind, body, spirit, soul, it's like that's why we're here to feel good about ourselves in our life and to feel more expansive and joyful yeah, and then you move through and you make decisions in a different way and you move through life different, differently.

Speaker 1: 9:32

Yeah, lovely, I think we're all trying to be free in that way, aren't? We yeah, and I was also as part of that introduction. It talks about you working with divine light and your spiritual guides, so can you tell us a little bit about that, what your process is?

Speaker 2: 9:50

okay.

Speaker 2: 9:52

So it's not a specific uh process, it's something like with, you know well now, 30 years of inner work that he evolved.

Speaker 2: 10:00

And so what I'll do, if specifically what I do is I identify, go right into the unconscious conditioning, so really, really deep into that very dense conditioning, and we will see where a person is stuck.

Speaker 2: 10:15

Usually it's emotionally, it's a belief system or some kind of belief or like not enough, and then often shame is connected to that and somehow I guess through it was a you know, everybody's got their gifts. It's a gift I have and was able to uncover and once that stuck emotion or that belief is looked at and released and when we do that we're shining divine light upon it. So it's not just me, you know, when I'm talking to my clients, it's not just words, it's that divine presence that goes in there and releases that. And once that releases, then everything starts to release and we just follow the stream of consciousness and you know, a couple of my clients have said I'm a little bit like a detective like just going deeper and deeper into the you know that density until it's released and then they feel really light and, you know, grounded and balanced and centered and aligned in that divine presence wow, and you could.

Speaker 1: 11:16

You use this, not process, but you, the way that you work, you use it with, I mean, they can address anything, can't they?

Speaker 2: 11:23

it can be relationships, it can be money wherever they're feeling stuck, or just generally just follow the energy and see what comes up yeah, and you know I also do give like, give readings and and such, and I found with relationships it's just. I know it's not magic and I know how it works, but I still call it magic. Some of the results I see because when two people are a person and a group of her, you know people or groups and they're stuck in their. You know their energy dynamics that are going back and forth and through my guides I'm able to see what's going on between two people or groups of people and release that and create a flow of energy. And some of the results I've heard from clients are just amazing.

Speaker 2: 12:12

One woman she had one session with me and the next day was her I can't remember if it was 40th or 47th wedding anniversary and she had me do a just a you know brief clearing between her and her husband and she said the next morning he told her he loved her and she I haven't heard that in probably 40 years. So it was like that, yeah, that's how immediate it can be. It's just, yeah, it's really amazing when we release just that stuck energy and sometimes, like I had one woman who she just wanted a clearing and I work on the phone but also just through a picture. So somebody will send me a picture and I just do clearing from that. And that's what she did. She just sent me her picture and so she said I just, you know, financial abundance. That's all she said. So I did it and I, you know, record it and send it to her.

Speaker 2: 13:07

She emailed me about a year later and she said I'd been looking for a house for five years. I hadn't been able to find anything. You know, money didn't work out. There's always something after your clearing. I found the perfect house, posed on it, moved in, it, moved into it, and she I mean it, just, it releases that stuckness. And sometimes that's all we need is just to release the stuckness and then we can. You know, everything starts to move.

Speaker 1: 14:31

Yeah, that's fascinating and brilliant and I'm making a list in my head.

Speaker 2: 14:43

I've actually had a few people, probably four or five people, I don't know why they don't. Some of them don't even tell me they're looking to buy a house, but they buy a house after you know that financial clearing, so maybe they stop worrying about.

Speaker 1: 14:57

You know the cost of it or whatever it is, but something obviously is is working there exactly.

Speaker 2: 15:04

That's a really good point, natasha. When you, when you worry about something, it just keeps everything stuck. Yeah, if it's a person, or if it's buying a house, or if it's traveling or you know, whatever it is, if you're worrying about it, that energy is just stuck. Nothing's ever going to be released from that or, you know, really transformed from that. So when you can let go of the worrying and trust and trust is huge, trust is huge in you know, doing intuitive work or manifestation. It's trust is everything.

Speaker 2: 15:35

People will ask me can you teach me how to do this? And the number one thing I'll say is you've got to trust yourself and then trust the messages that come in, because sometimes the messages that come in are it's a word or a phrase, and often we want, as humans because in you know, this world with five senses, we're used to being given steps and action steps and if I, you know, take these actions, this will happen and we want that from you know the universe or source or guides, but it doesn't come that way. It comes as a yeah, a word or a message, or for some people it's a color or just intuitive feeling and such yeah. But yeah, when you can, trust is number one there.

Speaker 1: 16:22

Yeah, it's really about just being really fine-tuning your intuition, isn't it just, like you say, just being going with your gut feelings, saying what you're getting? It reminds me almost of mediumship. You know there's a, there's a connection there, um, and obviously you're using it in a different way, but, um, that's what it reminds me of fascinating yeah, I think that's a good point.

Speaker 2: 16:51

I think anything with, uh, you know, the working with spirit or guides or you know, or the spiritual unit, light, universe, trust comes in and because if you're getting a message through, you know from the other side or from within you, or you got to trust that. So if anybody's wondering about this right now, start with trusting yourself. Trust and be kind to yourself. Self-talk is so is everything Turn things around.

Speaker 1: 17:23

Very powerful. If you're, if you're telling yourself that you're stupid all the time, that's a real you know. That's going to be a real negative for you, isn't it so what?

Speaker 2: 17:33

is what you, what's what you're going to manifest? And and so you're going to manifest people that don't respect you, don't, uh, see you as intelligent, don't listen to you, don't hear you, and more and more than that, if you're saying like we were, the mind's a, q, a, so we're always asking questions and answering them in our mind. We'll often say, because we've been taught this, this is an ancestral like question. We ask ourself what's wrong with me, or why do I guys get this wrong? Or what's wrong with the situation? Wrongness is really really big, actually in the 3d consciousness, and feeling wrong or believing you're wrong. And yet when you look at that, so let's say, you say something like why am I so stupid? Or how did I get it wrong? Again, energetically, that. So your mind answers you. That creates a heavy, dense energy. Now you go, take an action, have a thought uh, you know, interact with somebody, make, you know, have a behavior like, create something. You're doing it from that energy, and that's why we get stuck, because we're always, you know, asking ourselves questions like why am I wrong, or so stupid, or anything like that. I don't mean like using that word and but you see, you're creating that energy. So one of the ways it's easy, but it's often what's easy we don't do is to ask yourself empowering questions like you know, how did I get this right again? Or what actions can I take to, you know, actually create my into my intended outcome? And, and you know, why am I so amazing? What's awesome about me? What do I like about myself? Your mind will answer that and I can hear some, you know some people in the collective saying, oh, but that's being so high on yourself Because you know we're taught to just, you know, stay in your lane. That kind of stuff you know in 3D consciousness. But you're creating an energy. When you're asking yourself empowering questions, when you're talking to yourself about like, why am I so awesome? Or man, I, you know, I just feel so good. You're creating that energy. Your next thought, your next interaction with somebody, your next behavior, your next feeling is going to be from that uplifting energy and energetically you're turning everything around empowering questions.

Speaker 2: 19:50

It seems so simple and I'm sure everybody's heard it many times before, but it can just turn things around for you. Let's say, somebody's dealing with money issues. You know that's common and we'll often, you know, focus on you know, well, I went through two bankruptcies, so I'm very familiar with this, you know, focusing on lack and not enough, and the majority of people have that not enough core belief and the shame that goes along with it. So we'll focus on the lack and I have to pay rent or mortgage or bills and such.

Speaker 2: 20:24

But when you can say okay, like how can I create more money, how can I allow myself to receive more money? Maybe I need to start opening up and receiving more money and how can I allow myself to align with abundance? What do I need to do say, feel, act, behave so that I can align with abundance, so that I can feel abundant? When you start asking yourself questions like that like already, I can feel the opening in the collective and anybody who's listening Like that just opens everything up. So, yeah, and then you listen for the answer. Exactly.

Speaker 1: 21:04

Or ideas that come to you, or, yeah, I love that I could see myself you know you're awesome and doing that but in the car driving to work, because I always feel like it's like you know time. That's not very productive. I know I'm going from A to B, but I feel like I could talk to myself in the car doing that just five well takes well, it takes me half an hour. So half an hour a day, you know, giving myself time, positive affirmations that's actually can be used as a really powerful time.

Speaker 2: 21:40

I suggested that to a client that had been working with me for a while and I said start using that time, because she had about an hour of driving time each way, and start using that time because she wanted to launch her career and she will be soon and on focusing on, you know, on this, and she started getting some great ideas and and different things that would support her career and her launch of it and such, and so you don't have to use every minute you're in the car. The other thing I want to add to that because, see, even if you're asking positive, empowering questions and getting amazing answers and you're getting, you know, really passionate and excited about it, is if a part of your mind and the mind you know, the ego mind it's what it does, is says, but that's not possible. So start asking yourself what if it's possible? What if it's possible? I say that like a mantra.

Speaker 2: 22:31

Sometimes there's something I want to create. I'm like what if it's possible? What if it's possible? I'll say it for you know, five, 10, 20 minutes I even recorded on my phone before I ever got on the show. Somebody put the idea in my mind, you know, kind of seeded in my mind, of getting on the shows, starting to speak on them, and at first I just went, that's never going to happen. I mean, who am I? But then I started saying, but what if it's possible? And I would go out walking and say, what if it's possible, what if it's possible? Recorder on my phone. I play it, you know, when I got up in the middle of the night and such, and that you will find eventually you might have to say it for days, weeks, even months, but eventually your mind will go it's possible. And when you do that everything relaxes and opens up.

Speaker 1: 23:20

And it's a flow and it just. Exactly. Yeah, the flow, you got it. Yeah, lovely, I'm going to try that. So, joy, you're going to do a meditation for us.

Speaker 2: 23:35

Yeah, we can do a group process. You want me to do that now?

Speaker 2: 23:37

then yeah, lovely so probably be around five minutes. It's in the moment, it's channeled, so just close. Well, you can keep your eyes open or closed, but just allow yourself to receive that life force, energy. So you take a deep breath in as much as you're comfortable, just pause. And as much as you're comfortable, just pause. And as you release that, let all the stress and negativity, heaviness, density, just easily and effortlessly be released. There you go and just continue to breathe deeply as long as you're desiring to.

Speaker 2: 24:19

Let's go to your heart. Let's see what your heart has to say. So the heart is looking for nurturing compassion, to be understood and for you to take the time to really communicate with it and listen to it, even if it's just a moment every day. What if you ask yourself, heart, what do you need from me today? Heart, is there anything you would like to say? Heart, is there anything you would like me to hear from you? Heart, would you like to speak and just give your heart a moment to be and allow yourself to listen to your heart. And as your heart awakens, your heart is feeling overjoyed, so happy Because up until now, your mind has taken the most of your attention and the heart has been feeling a little bit neglected and it doesn't need all the attention, but even just a few moments every day.

Speaker 2: 25:29

If you made it a habit to listen to your heart, to communicate with your heart, just for a few moments every day, that energy, that flow of energy, flows throughout your entire body. It supports your immune system, supports your nervous system. It will support in balancing your brain, your energies, your entire self. There you go and I just felt your feet chakras open up and I just felt you ground into that powerful, grounding energy when you're working with your heart. That is the power that is within you. You're the power, the divine power is unleashed within you when you are communicating, aligning with and working with your beautiful, beautiful, radiant heart.

Speaker 2: 26:18

There you go and take a deep breath in. Just let that go and now allow that beautiful, radiant heart energy to flow within you and to radiate from you, just radiate out, so that all that are in your life or that you would like to be in your life and are ready and willing, they feel that beautiful, radiant, light heart energy, any relationships that have been a little strained or stuck or dense energy. Allow that heart energy to release any conflict, dense energy, strain. There you go, there's some fun and laughter and there's the happiness and there's the child. The child is loving this process. The inner child within you feels so happy, safe, light, free. See, when you listen to the heart, you communicate with the heart, your entire self, including the child within you, starts to feel safe. And when you feel safe mind, body, spirit, soul you feel safe. You begin to feel creative. You begin to feel creative, free, joyful, your true self is allowed to emerge.

Speaker 3: 28:20

And your true divine, brilliant, oh so wise self has emerged. Welcome to you, to beautiful you.

Speaker 2: 28:31

There you go, my friend Namaste. Thank you, that was lovely joy. I could feel my heart expanding, just really. Wow, that's so awesome. Yeah, that heart energy is just so amazing when we all connect with that heart energy and the visuals I was getting was like a fan opening oh wow, yeah, really lovely.

Speaker 1: 29:01

thank you, I was thinking. Actually it reminded me of my thoughts. This morning I took my dogs to the dog park and I was walking around while they were playing and I was just thinking about because I do a lot of past life work and I was just thinking about all the inner wisdom that we as humans hold, all those skills, all that knowledge, that life experience that we are, we have inside us if we just access it. Just access it. And I love the way that you question the body, if you like, or you question the heart, or you, you know, question yourself all the time, and I like that. And I think we forget to question because actually I think we have got a lot of the information we need inside. We know it, it's there.

Speaker 2: 30:02

Absolutely. Yeah, it's within you, I believe, really, what we're doing on this path. I don't know if we're really learning anything, but we're allowing the true self to emerge, and so it's really the uncovering of the old stuff that we don't need any longer, shedding those layers and allowing your true, beautiful, divine self and heart to emerge.

Speaker 1: 30:24

yeah I think. Do you think that most people struggle with that, though, that you know we seem to have a lot of layers that we need to? I mean, I've been doing energy healing for 20 years and I'm still releasing stuff, still releasing stuff. Do you think we ever get to a point where we don't need to be releasing stuff? Or do you think it's just the nature of being human and the world that we live in that we constantly have to clear new stuff?

Speaker 2: 31:00

In this lifetime. I think that's where we're given multiple lifetimes. Yes, yes, and I think you get to a point. You know, as a you know working on yourself, doing energy work and clearing. Where you clear so much of your own stuff, you can always go deeper. I've been doing that for a few months, going deeper and deeper. I was just thinking this morning I thought it was gone, but I'm going deeper into that and still having epiphanies. You know it's been 30 years, but you start.

Speaker 2: 31:31

If you're working on yourself, you're, you know you're a light being. You're here to uncover the layers and and access the, the light within you. I think after a while, you start clearing for others as well. You know there's so much density in the, you know, humanity, the collective consciousness, and if you're, if you're listening to this or watching this, you're here as a light worker. You're here to seed the light. You're here to, you know, expand that light within human consciousness and but once you get through, like a lot of your density, then as you do your inner work and you're clearing layers. I believe a lot of that is other people's so, but that's part of the purpose. Even if you're clearing layers, I believe a lot of that is other people's so, but that's part of the purpose. Even if you're not specifically working as a, you know, some kind of energy healer or coach or counselor or such. If you're doing inner work on yourself, you're clearing for others as well, especially once you've gotten through a lot of your own density and layers, and so you're still living your purpose. So anybody who says like I'm stuck in a job and I'm not living my purpose, if you're doing your inner work, you're still living your purpose. You're seeding the light, you're emerging more and more into the light, and as you do your inner work, you're doing it for others. So I don't know if on you know a particular lifetime. So I don't know if on you know a particular lifetime, at least this lifetime, the clearing itself will ever complete.

Speaker 2: 32:57

I think the difference and this is the ascension process is, let's say, something knocks you off course. You're feeling really happy, you're more in that new earth, fifth dimensional energy of happiness, joyfulnessfulness, abundance of flow. And something happens, unexpected, bill, and you go back into that fear based 3d consciousness, that density the ascension process is. You learn how to get out of there more quickly instead of being derailed for days or weeks or even months, you're able to ask yourself questions or realize okay, this is a little bit of a setback. How can I look at this differently? What steps can I take? How can I feel about this? That supports me and that's ascension process. Instead of spending, you know, or something that would derail you for a day or a week, you're going okay. Well, that happened. How can I learn from this? How can I now move forward? So you're still releasing, but it's so much more quickly. So then, what you do? Ultimately, you spend more time in the higher dimensions, feeling happy and joyful, and that's also choice, you know. You choose to spend more time there.

Speaker 1: 34:07

So, but I think, once all the clearing's done, we'll have ascended and then we've got a choice to come back, you know, be actually an earth angel, because I believe there are angels that walk on this earth in human form definitely and you know I hear a lot of talk about you know the difference between 3d and 5d and how there will be a split on earth with you know, is that how you see it or do you see it that we will? We're all working towards that. We're all and, like you say, those who have done a lot of work are clearing others as well and helping, and you know we're working in the spiritual world, working towards towards that.

Speaker 1: 34:51

Are we going to leave a whole segment behind to. I mean, is that a possibility?

Speaker 2: 34:56

this is. This is what I see and believe. No idea this is going to happen, but it's just. What I get is that there will be now, in 500 or a thousand years, yeah, we might all be living in, you know, the higher dimensions and bliss and hugging each other and and such and. But right now, for the next, you know, at least couple lifetimes, few lifetimes.

Speaker 2: 35:18

What I see is there will be people who are very, you know, entrenched in 3d, that pain filled, fear based consciousness, and they can't even see their way out of there, like they're not even aware of any other dimensions or consciousness. They're just stuck in that darkness and blackness. And before I started on this path, that's where I was, like I couldn't see anything else, I didn't even know this was a thing. It was just I was firmly in the, in the density, in the trenches of that 3d consciousness. And so I believe there will be those on the planet who won't even see any other you know any other way or believe anything else, so they can't literally with their five senses like if somebody was. So I believe there'd be those stuck in the 3d. So the 4d is where you're processing. That would be kind of like it's a portal between the 3D and the 4D where you do your inner work. The fifth dimensional frequencies and higher, those are love-based and so when you get to that place, I believe that those that are really grounded in that place of divine love and expansion and flow and ease and abundance, they will see those still in the like, literally see beyond the five senses. They will recognize and be aware of those in the fear-based energy still, and but those that are in the fear-based energies won't see those that are really in the light because their, their, their perception doesn't allow them to see anything beyond the density.

Speaker 2: 36:59

So what I'm seeing is, yes, there's still be a lot of people on the earth, but there will be some that don't even see others and it goes beyond acknowledging them. They don't see them, those that are in their light, because they've got that sixth sense and that perception. They, and they are also their messengers here to the you know the light beings to support those that are ready and willing to see beyond their density. They will be available to support those. So I think it's necessary for the light workers who are moving more and more into the light to still be aware of those that are, uh, in that fear-based consciousness, because some of them will eventually be ready. It might take several lifetimes, it might take several years or decades, but then they will be ready. So it's like giving a helping hand up, but some will just be stuck there and they won't see anything else like.

Speaker 2: 37:51

They're so stuck in, you know, the ancestral conditioning and and, limited to their five senses, they're still beyond the planet. So there's still be, you know, we're still all look like human beings this is what I believe anyways but we'll just see things so dramatically differently that I mean there's there's a, there's a divide now, but I think it will. I don't know if it'll get it's. I mean, the world actually is really, if, when you look at it, when you can take a step back and not get, you know, caught up in it, it's actually really fascinating right now.

Speaker 2: 38:26

I will go on, you know, youtube sometimes and I don't necessarily watch the videos, usually I don't but I will bring up videos on somebody or one group that believes in this and one group that believes in in total opposite, and I'll look at the comments and they are so contrasting, they're so black and white and it takes a lot to really be open to the other side and to consider it because that's a collapse of the belief system. Yeah, and so when you can look at the other side like I heard somebody I read somebody the other day who supposedly is a light worker but she was bashing the other side that doesn't believe in all this Well, if somebody is put down and told, told they're wrong or stupid, you're never going to lift them up. Compassion lifts a person up, lifts a person up. So yeah, kind of a long answer to your question there, but yeah, fascinating one.

Speaker 1: 39:26

Yeah, no, bashing other people, it's like judgment, isn't it? It's judging them for.

Speaker 2: 39:38

Yeah, judgment always keeps a person stuck. You know, compassion frees somebody, compassion and understanding, or at least be neutral, but if somebody's not ready, they're not ready.

Speaker 2: 39:45

Or for some people, like when I was in the before I started, started on the path, I just had no awareness and I was completely numb and shut down and I felt nothing and like nothing got through. So I've been there and I've lived that, and the one thing, though, that will wake people up is compassion, asking a question from a place of neutrality and caring and different things like that, but judgment will just keep them stuck. It's never going to free anybody, or or animals that have been abused or any. I'm looking down because my dog's sleeping right there, but you know it's.

Speaker 2: 40:24

It's compassion and understanding yeah that free a person or or a place or animals. But judgment and, you know, just being harsh on somebody and calling them down is never going to free somebody or open them up to higher understanding.

Speaker 1: 40:40

No, it took me. I think I had my sort of epiphany when I was 37. So I was 37 at the point that I had this experience and literally the walls of my paradigm, that was my life at that point, just fell down. And I was like what is this? Why have I never seen it? Why do I know nothing about it, literally just not aware, until that point, and that just propelled me through and I was fascinated so what happened?

Speaker 2: 41:15

was it like uh, yeah, I have shared it before on the podcast.

Speaker 1: 41:19

But, um, I went for a reiki, never even heard the word before, knew nothing about it.

Speaker 1: 41:26

I just had my third child. I had terrible swollen ankles and my mother actually said why don't you go and have a Reiki with Rosie? And I hadn't got a clue, I didn't know anything about it. I don't think I relaxed at all because I was like, where is she? What's she doing? But I had this sense and in fact I knew like visually I could see spirit in the room and they were flying around the room to the point that one came so close that I physically went like that, thinking it was gonna come right into me. And I remember Rosie saying are you okay, I'm going, yes, I'm fine, thank you, and not telling her what was happening. But it didn't, it didn't scare me.

Speaker 1: 42:14

I was just fascinated. I just thought, well, why, why have I never seen this before? I'm 37, I've got three kids, why, what is this? What's it made of? Where does it come from? You know all those, all those questions came into my head, and I have. And subsequently, that was the start, and I went on and trained to do Reiki and and all the rest of it. So what? What was the sort of? Did you have an experience that suddenly made you see things in a very different way?

Speaker 2: 42:50

I don't think it was one experience, it's just been, you know, a lot of different things. It was when I was on the racetrack with the horses. You know, I used to work with horses and and I somebody introduced me to it was actually a vitamin network marketing company and I didn't know anything about, I just knew the horses got. You know, they're race horses, so we'd given the best of the feed and vitamins and by the end of the season they're still bouncing. I was just, I mean, I was dragging, and so I started. I actually started on the vitamins from the horses, started with those, then I got introduced as network marketing company but that started me reading books about our belief structures and the power of the mind and how we can choose, you know, our, our destiny and such. It was all intellectual mind stuff at that time. But that started me on the path and then I ended up leaving when I was 33. I left my whole life with the horses, which up until that time all I knew were horses and horse people. So all my friends were on the racetrack.

Speaker 2: 43:51

I left an eight-year relationship 33 years by that time with horses, walked away from it all, not really knowing what I was getting into but just knew I had to make a big change. And then I read the book the Celestion Prophecy, and that was the first time I'd ever heard of energy and energy fields interacting and kind of like your experience. When I read that it was like, okay, everything makes sense now. Yeah, it was like we're we're not just these separate beings all doing different things, we are connected and it's through energy and I'd never, you know, been exposed to that before experienced it. But I still remember reading the chapter in fact I think it was chapter four I mean, this was 28 years ago now that I read the book but reading about how, you know, there's and there's color and vibration in these energy fields in the intranet, and I was just fascinated.

Speaker 2: 44:43

And then I got into, you know, learned about the chakras and that really just fascinated me. So then I just went, I knew by already, I knew I wanted to do this full-time, like have. I thought it was going to be more of a coaching business when I first wrote out my vision, but then and I was ready to start right away but I realized, you know, as I got into my inner work, I felt like I had no value and completely worthless. And then, you know, repressed memories started to come up of abuse and such, and so I ended up having to do about 20 years of really intense inner work on myself and finally, when I was I guess it was 53, just turned 53. And so about eight and a half years ago, and I just went okay, the time's right. And I said it's, I'm going to start my healing business. And I did excellent.

Speaker 1: 45:38

It's fascinating, isn't it? I mean, I read, I still do. I read so much, I think that's why. And then I read, I read the same book again as well, not straight afterwards, but I'll find myself really pulled to a book that I've read before and I'll read it again and I'll get something different from it. It's, it's almost like your level of understanding is at a different point when you first read it. So reading is a, you know, amazing. And now you've got um, amazing healing practice, coaching practice. So good for you, well done.

Speaker 2: 46:15

Well, it's thanks to shows like this that gets you know the word out there and, yeah, people get to know me. So thank you again for having me on your show, natasha.

Speaker 1: 46:23

Oh no, it's been a pleasure. I've really enjoyed talking to you, joy, and we will put up all your details and how to contact you under the episode, so if people would like to contact you for sessions, um, then they can do that. Okay, excellent, well, thank you very much again. It's been a pleasure chatting to you. I've really enjoyed it and, um, if you, if you've enjoyed listening to Joy and I chatting, please like and share and um, I will speak to you all again shortly.