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What If Your Entire Reality Is Just A Pen Light In The Dark? with Michael Hirshorne
What if everything you perceive as solid and real is actually 99.9% empty space? What if consciousness extends far beyond what our five limited senses can detect? In this mind-expanding conversation, author and spiritual mentor Michael Hirshorne shares his profound journey from black-and-white thinking to metaphysical awakening.
Michael reveals how his transformation began after years trapped in rigid thinking patterns from his accounting career. The turning point came through persistent messages he couldn't ignore and a growing awareness that reality was far more expansive than his limited perception allowed. With raw honesty, he describes the "dark muck" he had to navigate during this transition and offers practical guidance for listeners facing similar challenges.
The conversation explores powerful metaphors that illuminate our limited perception—like walking through life with just a tiny penlight in a vast cavern, believing what we see is all that exists. Michael explains how meditation became his gateway tool, starting with guided practices before advancing to deeper states that produced palpable energy sensations and expanded awareness.
We delve into fascinating scientific concepts about the nature of reality, including how atoms are mostly empty space and how quantum physics supports many ancient spiritual understandings. Michael shares how our energetic frequencies attract corresponding experiences, why every person we encounter might be a teacher, and how we can learn to recognize guidance in everyday occurrences—from repeating numbers to chance encounters.
At its heart, this episode addresses the profound question of purpose: Why are we here? Michael suggests we're each born with a metaphorical paintbrush and palette—tools of creation—and our purpose is simply to create, both individually and collectively. His perspective offers both freedom and responsibility, empowering us to shape our experiences consciously rather than living on autopilot.
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so welcome everybody to another episode of balm to the soul, and today we have a new guest who is michael herschel, and he's an author, a mentor and a coach. So welcome, michael. Thank you so much for supporting balm to the soul you're welcoming me it's my pleasure appreciate you having me here my pleasure, and let's just talk about your book first of all, because we were just um talking about so you have a book called taking a chance on life and um, so tell us what that's all about taking a chance on life is basically uh, it's very uplifting.
Speaker 2:It's a spiritual book on seeing life experiences essentially through a metaphysical lens, something that we rarely think about and most of us don't do. But it's taking off the lens that we see our realities through and putting on a different sort of lens so it's something that most people really aren't even willing to do lens so it's something that most people really aren't even willing to do. But I think it's important every now and again to do that, and I tried very, very hard to do it for the longest time. I was telling you previously I was involved in this very black and white profession and I had trouble taking off my lens. I saw the world through that particular lens and never thought about taking it off and putting something else on. But I was getting these messages and over time I started paying more and more attention to the messages and they got louder and louder.
Speaker 2:And this book was the end result of 10 years of blood, sweat and tears to compile it. I just kept writing this material out, sheet by sheet by sheet by sheet, and throwing it into a folder, thinking how am I going to turn this into a book, if it ever becomes a book and it was over 350 pages of material which was boiled down to about, I think, 185 to 190, something like that, maybe 165 pages. But I had help with it. I had somebody come in I just found them by happenstance and they helped me put the book together. They wrote quite a few books, authored them. They were ghostwriting some books authored some. There was a lot of a lot of uh, maybe back and forth. He would come from new york and I they an old-fashioned tape recorder. He used, you know, at that time wasn't that long ago, but he was using the state and you know he would interview me and he'd say garbage, garbage, garbage, garbage, that's good, that's good, that's garbage, that's good, you know, and we would just weed through this stuff.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:And I didn't take it personally. I was like I know some of it is just my life experiences, but we got it down to a science he did, and the end result was this book. And as I was doing the book, I was compiling other things thoughts, quotes, video ideas and another friend of mine helped me put this website together. Heaven is Within. So this metaphysical journey you know started so long ago and the end result was the website and the book, and it's still evolving. I'm trying to do other things, maybe add affiliate links to the website and make it splashy, and I'm putting a blog on it shortly, so there'll be imagery and a blog every, I think, two weeks. We're going to work for Every two weeks. Something's going to go up, maybe an idea about, I don't know, a quote that I did something just to put it out there, but it was. It was, you know, natasha, a journey. It really was. It was. It was a long, long time coming and I think we were mentioning before, weren't we that you're?
Speaker 1:you feel like you're still doing that transition.
Speaker 2:You are still. Oh, absolutely, you know, you haven't reached your destination, yet Not even close.
Speaker 2:Not even close. But I can see now. The difference is now. You see the thing everyone has a book up here. Everyone, every single person on earth. They all have a book. What we do with that is another story, and just because you finish writing the book doesn't mean you're finished writing the whole story. It's just, you know, the book is maybe done, but there's another book up there somewhere, and there's enough, and it just keeps going. And so we evolve and we keep moving and things change and they merge and they, you know, we delete some things and we add others. So I'll, I'll keep going with this for as long as I can, which means till I'm, till I'm no longer in physical form.
Speaker 1:So you know, you learn constantly, though, don't you? I'm a bit of a sponge for information, and I feel like you are as well, and you just constantly learning from everything you're doing. You're reading, you're talking to people.
Speaker 2:And you know, when you say constantly learning, I don't necessarily look to books solely for information or videos, or what have you. I see every single person on this earth that I come into contact with as if I'm seeing it. I'm meant to see it. In other words, they can be teachers, whether they're real teachers, professors or they're, you know, maintenance people or janitors or what have you. If they come into my life, they are meant to be there because somehow I've attracted them. I put out this frequency. They are meant to be there because somehow I've attracted them. I put out this frequency, this energetic signature, and that has to come back to me somehow. So what am I looking for? Am I looking for consolation? Am I looking for empathy? Whatever it is that I'm looking for, I'm putting that frequency out. It's got to come back, and it works just as well with negativity.
Speaker 2:If you've got this negative frequency that's emanating of anger, depression, guilt, sadness. These are lower energies. You know you're emanating this energy. It's going to come back to you. In the form of what? In the form of sad events, angry people, angry circumstances. You know things are going to come back at you just that same way. I'm not saying that you know we don't have things that are going to tick us off every now and then, but we still do have choices on how to react to something.
Speaker 2:There was a famous quote by a gentleman I can't remember who, it was, a Dalai Lama, somebody, and they were going over. Master, you know what is life, what is the meaning of life, and all these things. And and it came back from the master picture yourself as an orange. Like what are you talking about? Well, an orange has what inside of it? Well, orange juice. But if you squeeze that orange, nothing can come out of it except orange juice, because that's what's inside, that's what it is. Come out of it except orange juice, because that's what's inside, that's what it is. It's comprised of just orange juice on the inside, and when it's squeezed and pressure is put on it, the only thing that comes out is juice, orange juice. So when you're squeezed, what's inside of you? Is it going to be anger that's going to come out, or is it patience, or is it something else, a higher frequency?
Speaker 2:I remembered that quote and I was like, wow, you know, it's so easy to say that and it's so easy to think about that example. Is it really that easy to do in real life? No, no, it's not. But you still can learn it. Just like a martial artist can learn how to walk on fire or break a brick with his head, you can learn it. Just like a martial artist can learn how to walk on fire or break a brick with his head.
Speaker 1:You can learn it or be constantly aware of it, so that you can keep rechecking yourself, rechecking your thoughts. You know without a doubt, as positive, as you can be at that point sure I mean positive.
Speaker 2:you know this is very. You know positivity. I know it sounds like very easy to do. What's the word I'm looking for? Like cliche, like, oh, positive thinking. We all should think positively.
Speaker 2:It's not as simple as all that, but you can train your mind and the way I did it is through meditation. I started with guided meditations and it was very, very helpful because I went through this period where I had a lot of anxiety, I had a lot of tension and I wasn't being supported. I thought I wasn't being supported by the universe, but it's really only because of my mindset. I was thinking a certain way, so I had to get back Again. I had to get back what I was putting out and eventually I learned to control that to some degree and I started with meditation.
Speaker 2:Guided meditations Eventually worked my way into transcendental meditation, which, without the guidance, which was very kind of cool, because it's kind of it's when, when you really get deep down and you go into alpha and then below alpha, it gets. It gets trippy and it feels really kind of cool. But before that I just did guided and that was just. That was the, the starting point, and I did it every day. I don't anymore. I but you can't. Shoulda, coulda, woulda, no, yeah, so I did start with that. It was very helpful. So, for those listeners who, well, where do you start and what do you do, I would highly, highly recommend guided meditations. And if you go on the website, the heaven is within website, I've written some. Some of them are very helpful for sleep. Um, some of them are good for other things releasing energy. That's blockages and things like that. But you could go anywhere on on the web. There's, there's thousands of them, literally.
Speaker 1:Yes, there are. There's so much app material out there isn't there that you could go and have a look. But, yes, an amazing place to start. So let's just rewind slightly, because we were talking about earlier, because originally you were an accountant, weren't you? And now you have come out of that and you are transitioning into a different way of being, if you like, and that transition is is still taking place, and now you help people with strategies for when they're you know in, strategies for transformation and how they can sort of overcome some difficult life issues, or, um, from your own experience, really what's coming from?
Speaker 2:basically from my own experience, but again, I did a lot of research on this, a lot of reading um mainly on metaphysics.
Speaker 1:Yes.
Speaker 2:And it was the motivational speakers, the Wayne Dyers, the Deepak Chopras, those type of people who gave me the guidance. I met Wayne Dyer. He's very down to earth. He appears one way on his videos and things, but he really is down to earth. There are certain people like the Bruce Springsteens. They're very wealthy, they're high in the spotlight, is down to earth. You know, there's certain people that like the Bruce Springsteen's, you know they're, they're very wealthy, they're high in the spotlight. But when you meet them in person, they're just like anybody else. He was sitting on a table and just talking to me. He's like what are you doing?
Speaker 2:And uh, another, uh, author that that's quite famous. She wrote a book called Dying to Be Me. Her name was Anita Morjani. Yes, highly highly recommend that book If you're having problems with doubt about what happens in the afterlife. Where are we going with this? I met her as well and we hugged and it was a lot. Oh, it was, it was wonderful. She, she went over her life journey and she, she saw the light and she went in there and big, big, big tumors ready to die within hours.
Speaker 1:Yes, I've heard her talk and you're fascinating, fascinating.
Speaker 2:Fascinating. She, she was there and that book is tremendous. So, dying to be me. If you've got your doubts and and especially, that would be especially important if you're going through some kind of tragedy of your own, be it a relative or a friend who's passed over, and you're trying to get answers.
Speaker 2:You know, um, an analogy I love to use right here and she used it in her book and I like to talk about it with people is you know, we're walking through life, really old-fashioned little pen lights that you could, you know light and you could see for your keys to light whatever. Well, it's like a little pen with a light on it. So you're walking through this cavernous, huge room, you know, maybe a tunnel or something, and that's a metaphor for life, and you're using this pen light. So what you see in front of you is just what the light, what that flashlight, that little pen light, can see. So you think, because that's all the light that is projected out, you think in your mind, this is what it is, this is it Because you can't see what's around that light, and there could be a treasure trove of things around it.
Speaker 2:You just can't. You can't fathom it because you're not using the tools, in other words, the light's not expanding. So so this light is a metaphor, obviously, for what we have. What we use in life are five senses taste, touch, hearing, sight, smell, and and we think, hey, that's you know, if I can't see it, if I can't taste it, if I can't feel it, it ain't there. Well, that's wrong, that's because you don't have the tools to perceive it or, to better yet, to use the word, experience it.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:I like that analogy yeah, that's.
Speaker 1:Excellent. Yeah, there's so much out there. Oh my God.
Speaker 2:Let's take the spectrum of light, for instance. What we see with our eyes is a dime compared to, say, the sears tower yes or the uh, the burj khalif or whatever.
Speaker 2:That is the tallest building in the world now in dubai. Okay, you're talking about the thickness of a dime compared to what the sears tower, the empire state. You know that is huge. You can see the Roy G Biv. You know red, orange, yellow Roy G Biv. That's what we learned in school. But that's you think that's all there is. That is certainly not. There's gamma rays, there's x-rays, there's radio waves, there's all these different kinds of energy that you know, x-rays that are being put out there in the spectrum, the big, massive spectrum out there that we can't see. I mean doesn't mean it's not there. You can use a cell phone every day and you do use it. You rely on this technology. Do you really understand how it works? I'm not saying you you might understand how a cell phone works, but there's a lot of people who don't, and they still use it.
Speaker 2:They don't doubt the power of this little tiny device. That, by the way, is probably like a hundred times more powerful than the computers they used to send a man to the moon in the 60s wow.
Speaker 1:So when you start looking at things like in that perspective, it's quite extraordinary really, and we just take it all for granted, don't we? We just we get into that that sort of um, we just get into that sort of lane, if you like, and we stick to it and and we're not looking anywhere else. It's, it is quite extraordinary. It's when, I think, it's when you have a moment like I had an experience, experience when I went for my first Reiki that makes you realize that what you have become the norm is not actually what is out there, and the walls of your little life sort of topple a bit and you think, why did I not see this before? It's when you have that sort of experience that you suddenly get actually there's a lot more out there.
Speaker 2:The epiphany may or may not come, though let's try to point that out. You know some people, you know I mentioned before. They get this little tap on the wrist and they don't pay attention to it. They might get a shake later on. They may or may not. It's what you really you have to ask. You know they say well, you know, it's only certain people who get this gift of metaphysics or they're able to talk to the beyond. You know angels or people who've died, or Buddha. Only certain people can do that. Only certain people are allowed to intermingle or communicate with divinity or whatever. You know there's a book Taking a Chance, excuse me, taking a Chance. That's my book.
Speaker 2:There's a book by Neil Donald Walsh called Conversations with God, and one of the quotes in that book is God speaks to all people all the time. It's not to whom God speaks, but it's who listens. Yeah, so if you're believing that, oh, who am I? Who am I to have divinity communicate with me? Well, did you ever flip a page of a magazine and suddenly get wow, like an aha moment? That's communicating. It doesn't have to be in English, no, you can see a license plate and suddenly get wow, I was just thinking about that, you know.
Speaker 1:And you got numbers, didn't you? You got numbers.
Speaker 2:I get numbers still all the time to this day, and it's repeating numbers 77, 55, 333, you know just these numbers that come and come and come. Recently, I pointed out to my wife, we went to Costco last night and three times during that short little 40-minute period GD1, gd7, gd5, gd—it might have been four times—GD. What is that supposed to mean? Okay, g, d, y, and I said look, Janet, there's another one, Look, there's another one. Could that have been a communication? You know so, oh, it's coincidence. Blah, blah, blah, Call it what you want If you get it all the time, you know, I mean, I don't believe in the word coincidence.
Speaker 1:And if it has meaning for you and you're seeing it then I think it is that it's something that's relevant.
Speaker 2:Right, that's a good point If it has meaning for you. That's not to say that it's not meaningful in a higher sense, but could I be looking for this subconsciously? Sure, but how do you explain, maybe if it's one time, two times, but 10 times, 20 times, 100 times?
Speaker 1:Really.
Speaker 2:It's hard to kind of negate that yeah and say just chalk it up to whatever. But yeah, it's really kind of interesting how these things play out Because, as I told you before, I was very black and white for the longest time. I just did not allow anything to come into my world. I had these blinders on and I wouldn't allow it. I'm just no get away, I don't want to hear your stuff. And so, consequently, I experienced the downfall and the negativity and it all kind of toppled down.
Speaker 1:Yeah. So let me ask you a bit of a well, maybe it's not a hard question, but one of those big questions. So what do you believe is our true purpose? What are we doing here? What is it that we're doing? Are we learning? Is this a school? Is this what's going on?
Speaker 2:That's an excellent question. I've thought about that a lot In conversations with God. They keep saying over and over again it's not a school. It's not a school. You're remembering the higher self from the lower self, in other words, the small S from the capital S self. What do we do? How are we remembering? What are we doing with that process? We're creating because we're part of the creator, we're part of the higher energies.
Speaker 2:We might be the glass of ocean water, not the entire ocean. I'm not saying we're the ocean, but we are the glass of ocean water. We're the children. But if you pour that glass back into the ocean, its source, it becomes one with the ocean and you can't get that same glass out. You cannot. If, for all intents and purposes, it is the ocean, it thinks of itself as the ocean, surrounded by this massive body of water, by itself in the glass. It feels weak and it feels isolated and it feels other than separate from. But it's when it's poured back in. And when we pour it back in, there's a point where we're poured back in yes but we don't go away.
Speaker 2:We're just changing this energy from one form to the next. Just like einstein said, energy can neither be created nor destroyed, but only transformed. So what do you think? A thought is it's energy. So what are we doing? What's our purpose to create? We're here to create what we were born, sort of with this paintbrush and the palette and the paint. We're born with the materials so what are we creating?
Speaker 1:what is it that we're creating?
Speaker 2:whatever it is we choose to create, whatever there is a link with all of us.
Speaker 1:It's like we're as a community, whether we're aware of it or not, but but as people learn more and more spiritually, they create um a new force, if you like, a new um you know something collectively they're creating okay.
Speaker 2:So what are we creating? We're creating our own picture, with that pain in the, in the paintbrush, but we're creating at one level versus another. There's a collective consciousness as well, and we create at a collective level as well as an individual level. So you mentioned that because that's the bingo, like well, why are there? If God is so good, why are there wars and why are there disease and poverty? Why are you asking that we're creating this at a collective level?
Speaker 2:God gave us all of us individuals the power of choice. We choose what we wish to create and God will never take that away. That's the power of choice. So if you choose to believe in one direction or believe in another, you choose to think thoughts of poverty versus thoughts of abundance. That is your choice and you will never be. That choice will never be taken away from you. But that's at one level. At another level, there's a collective consciousness which is much more powerful because we're adding all of this into it. So if the balance is tipped in one direction or another, where the scale kind of like moves this way or this way, that's where you get these events to happen. That's where you get these massive calamities, if you will.
Speaker 1:Yes.
Speaker 2:And what does God have to do with it?
Speaker 1:at that choice, at that point, you know so and I think that's when some people get complete overwhelm as well about um and and possibly why they have crises. And you know what the hell am I doing what? What is you know what? What the hell am I doing what? What is you know what am I supposed to be doing? And they get a bit like overwhelmed and then stuck about what they should be doing.
Speaker 2:Absolutely. But that doesn't mean you, you, you have to be stuck in, that, you're forced to be stuck in that muck forever. It could take some time. It took me a long time. It took me over a year to get out of that muck. It was a very dark, dark place, but at the time I couldn't see the forest for the trees, so to speak. So it seemed like it would just, it's just, there's no way out. Excuse me, as time went on and I made different choices with my life, with my nutrition, with sleep, proper sleep, proper nutrition, you know all these things. Life started changing and as I was changing, you know, as I, I changed the way I thought about things, the things I looked at changed.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:So another Wayne Dyer. Thank you, wayne. He uh no longer with us but um us. But yeah, he used to say that all the time and that's the thing as well.
Speaker 1:It's not. There's not a quick fix. It's a process and a transition and a step by step.
Speaker 2:It is and it's not. I mean it depends on your particular journey. I mean some people like, for instance, if they're smoking for 30 years, 40 years, they can quit. Cold turkey, boom, they're done. So I'm finished with this and that's their journey.
Speaker 2:But not everybody's on the same journey. Obviously we're on different journeys. We think we tend to think that, well, you know, jim Jones, this, this guy, tom Richard Thompson, whoever, they did it this way. So that's the way I'm going to do it. Uh-uh, wrong. They have their journey, you have yours. You're not necessarily going to be Jim the way Jim did it.
Speaker 2:Because, because, why? Because you have your very individual life plan that you get to choose. If you want help and you're, where do I go? What do I do? Ask there's nothing wrong with literally out loud what am I doing? Can you guide me? Where am I going to go? You'll get a hit. Pick up a book, read this, make this phone call to somebody. Suddenly, somebody will come into your life that you didn't know, you haven't seen for 25 years. They suddenly call on the phone. You have this conversation. It turns into oh, I read this such and such a book. Oh, really, I was thinking about reading that. And now, all of a sudden, your life takes on a different direction. And never underestimate the power of your presence either, because as much you could be, so much in the muck and so down on yourself and somebody else could be a whole lot worse. You give them that little extra boost, a smile, a kind word, and you change their life. And watch how fast your life is going to change from that point.
Speaker 1:You know, every day.
Speaker 2:There's always going to be somebody who's you know as much as you think you're. You're at that point where I oh, my God, I just can't, I'll never get out of this. There's going to be somebody who's going to be much worse off than you.
Speaker 1:And that's a really nice point, actually, isn't it? You know, you say, you ask and something will occur, but actually that what that means is we are never. We're never on our own, are we?
Speaker 2:we are surrounded by spirit, so, whatever you want to call it, or angels, or whatever label you put on it, but we're surrounded by support and I think it's important that, that you get to and I get to your listeners to that point where you're saying whatever label you put on it we tend to use semantics in a poisonous way. Sometimes it's not this, it's that, and if you don't believe this, then you're going to hell.
Speaker 2:If you don't believe this way, you're not going to receive what I receive. That is wrong and it shouldn't be done. And if you're going to go that route, I'm sorry I don't go there. You can call it cotton swab if that helps you Hug a tree. I don't believe in God. You don't believe in God. Do you believe in energy? Call it energy, Call it love, Call it whatever. You can't deny. You cannot deny that energy exists.
Speaker 1:you can't no, and we were talking about this earlier, wasn't, weren't we? This is like the sort of you know also debate about science and spirituality, and where do they meet in the middle and all the rest of it but like you you know, when you get down to quantum physics, you know we are all energy.
Speaker 2:Well, I kind of. There's an example I use. It's funny. You should say that there's an example I use, that it's very hard, very hard to negate this and to say it's baloney. And the example is the Big Bang. The Big Bang scientists much smarter than me, much smarter than most of the people I know, with PhDs and beyond postdoctoral level, I mean we're talking like humongous brains.
Speaker 2:Yes, there was a singularity that went from that size to bigger than a galaxy in a femtosecond, a millionth of a billionth of a second. This singularity went from that size to bigger than a galaxy and then, through the process of inflation, kept going and to this day, to this day, is continuing to grow and move. It's not what's inside the universe that's moving, it's the universe itself which is continuing to expand. And they've measured this energy in a laboratory. They can tell the background, they can quantify it and say, yes, yes, indeed, there is energy that's moving and it's very. It's not fathomable because in that moment where you had that, it wasn't really an explosion, it was simply a energy that was going from an inert state to a state of non-inertia. It was moving and it was energized.
Speaker 2:So how do you get it from that point? How do you get it from the singularity to everything else that's contained within the universe, the matter and everything else the galaxies, the stars, the planets? Well, the only way that's scientifically feasible to believe is I had mentioned before that atoms are 99.9% space. So you take the space out of the atoms and what do you have left? The electrons, the protons and the neutrons. You've got the energy. These subatomic particles comprise the neutrons, the electrons and the protons. But when you take the space out, there's nothing there, it's just energy. So all of that could fit. There's nothing there, it's just energy. So all of that could fit.
Speaker 2:All of the atoms that ever were, that are and that ever will be fit into a singularity smaller than the head of a pin. And then the space was put back into them. So it went from that size to bigger than a galaxy in less than a millionth of a billionth of a second. How? Because the space was put back into the atoms at that point. Because the space was put back into the atoms at that point. Now, if you don't believe in God, then what did that? And release electromagnetism, gravity, the strong reaction and the weak reaction all at the same time. So the forces of the universe which are now in place were all released in that same second femtosecond, in that same second femtosecond. How do you account for that if there's not a catalyst behind that reaction, which is verifiably it's proven that that reaction took place, known as the Big Bang, which created everything that there is, if there wasn't a and you know what I'm saying about catalyst?
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:You can call it God if you want, but if you're not comfortable with that term, what do you want? To call it sand? You know glasses. Call it what you. Call it what you want. There was a catalyst. There had to be, because the odds of that happening on its own are the same odds of you hitting the mega millions jackpot 87 times in a row. Tell me what those odds are.
Speaker 1:I couldn't even go there. But there's not enough. It's not enough zeros.
Speaker 2:So the this is my answer to well, it could have happened on its own. Well, yeah, it could have. And you can hit the lottery 787 time. Whatever, I'm making up a number, but you know what I'm trying to say. Yeah, it's, it's, it's. If it's not impossible, it's 10 times 10 to the 100 millionth power. Unlikely that that could possibly happen yeah, fascinating, absolutely fascinating.
Speaker 1:And then, and obviously we are the same, are we not, like we were talking about we're energy in space.
Speaker 2:That's it, that's all of it. We are energy in space. I remember watching this clip on a video. It says you are here. It's this massive, hundreds of galaxies. It's this little tiny speck. You are here and that speck represents the Milky Way galaxy, of which there are over like 200 billion stars or something like that some ridiculous number and that's a galaxy. Within that galaxy are solar systems. Within the solar systems is our sun, which is massive, and then there's the Earth that rotates around the sun. You can't even see. It's like it's mind boggling. And we are this little tiny rock that's just kind of like floating and massively moving through space.
Speaker 2:We believe we're stationary. You know, your backside is against the chair and we're not moving. And the chair is stationary and it's solid. The chair is not solid, it's your, it's your idea that it's solid. You have, you have to live in the physical world, so you play by physical law. Your mind has a set of means, a belief that says I'm solid and I'm not moving. I'm stationary, you are moving, you're moving through space at 25,000 miles an hour and the earth is rotating at 1,010 miles an hour on its axis. But you think you're stationary.
Speaker 1:You're not, and just having that conversation makes you begin to realize that actually, you know it is also illusory. It's such an illusion, isn't it? The way we live our lives, the way we think you know, and more and more people are now beginning to shift, which is lovely, but we are, it is, it's all, it's not. Nothing is as we think it is.
Speaker 2:It's in that, see, that is a good point, that it's not what you really think it is. But in order to experience what it is, for what it is, you have to get out of your own way, you have to take those blinders off and you have to sort of think to yourself well, could there be another tool in my toolbox other than touch, taste, hearing, smell, sight? It's not just certain people who are gifted with the sixth sense and the sixth sense is just another tool. There's other tools you can use. Meditation is a tool.
Speaker 2:If you really get into meditation, I got to tell you it's really cool. I mean, it's powerful, it's very powerful, and I got to the point where I could literally feel the energy moving, like it was palpable. It was like a humming inside me and I felt like I could almost lift off from the bed. I would oftentimes lie down and feel myself moving. Like you know, you look at the rock and it's solid and it's stationary and it's moving at the same time. When you quote, unquote, die, you get to see the rock as moving and not moving at the same time. The unmoved mover. That's how it's described in conversations with God, one of the ways they describe God the unmoved mover, but really I love that example of the ocean and the ocean water.
Speaker 2:And if we could just see that you know all of this nonsense, the fighting, and you don't believe what I believe. You're going to rot in hell for not believing. This way, you're not going to make it to the promised land. Please stop already with this stuff.
Speaker 1:It's fear-based, isn't it? It is totally fear-based.
Speaker 2:It's totally fear-based. And you know, natasha, you've got to think building. Sometimes the building, the bricks chip away, they're clipped off, they get all shaky and out of place. And you know the what do you call it? What holds together the brick, the mortar, mortar, the mortar kind of wears down. So you know what you do. Instead of demolishing the whole building, it's not necessary. Take the chipped bricks and replace them with new ones, and then you'll see the difference. You don't have to, you don't have to, not, don't.
Speaker 2:Don't say all religion is bad just because you know you had the crus, the Crusades, and you had the Holocaust and you had all this stuff. It's not all bad, there's good parts to it. Think buffet I have this massive buffet. I don't have to take every bit of food. This, I like this, I don't like this. Take what, what works for you? Yeah, and you who says you have to be Orthodox, only Orthodox, conservative? I'm using Jewish because I'm Jewish, so I'm taking these examples. I'm reformed, so God forbid, I should go to a table with all Orthodox people because I don't believe that way. Open your mind up.
Speaker 1:Well, that's judgment as well, isn, isn't it? And it's not for us to be judgmental either. It's about, um, all of us being open-minded, really, and, like you say, choosing the path we want to want to go on there's always it's.
Speaker 2:You can always say it's not for me, it's not for me, fine, but that doesn't mean it's not for this guy, this guy, could you know, as long as you're not infringing on somebody else's rights and, by the way, that brings up a good point what other people think about me. As I told you before, is none of my business. It's none of my business, and when I make it my business is when I get myself into trouble.
Speaker 1:Big trouble. Yes, I was having a conversation with a very prominent healer and I said to him what happens if people react to you in such a bad way or they're judgmental or whatever, and he said you just love them more. And I thought actually that's really stuck in my head and I thought actually that's lovely, isn't it? It's a lovely reaction it is, it is.
Speaker 2:But I gotta tell you, you know, we're not all bruce lee um, not easy, not easy, but yes, your mind is like water.
Speaker 2:No, no, no, okay, you know it's, it's. It's really really easy to say that and and I got to tell you it should be your goal to work towards that. But if you're not there yet, don't beat yourself up and don't expect that you're going to get there overnight. Um, I'm still working through things, I still react, but I have to say it's not the fact that I reacted. What I think to myself in that very instant is okay, okay, maybe I reacted. Tomorrow I'll try better. I reacted tomorrow, I'll try better tomorrow, and the next day I'll try more. And have I grown even a little? Did I at least consciously make myself aware? Oops, wait a minute, I reacted. If you can tell the difference between what you lived like before and the fact that you're realizing that you reacted and that you want to try better next time, to do better next time, that in and of itself is a good, that's perfect, that's a good move, yeah well, he, I had a.
Speaker 1:I had a incident after I'd spoken to him with somebody and when I was thinking about it and thinking about what he said, it just made me laugh. So so actually I just let it go because I just thought, you know, I've got to love them, I'm going to love them.
Speaker 2:I'm going to love them. You don't have to kind of force it. But you know, wayne Dyer had that same experience. He was on a plane and it was delayed. So they were on the ground for a lot longer than they were supposed to be. It was like an hour delay. But Wayne thought to himself you know, I'm going to miss my meeting, but I'd rather miss my meeting than die in some plane crash because the gear, the wheels, didn't open up. So he knew to do that. So he knew to do that.
Speaker 2:But the flight attendant was just livid and worried and anxious, because she knew that the people would be so furious about the delay and that everybody would be yelling at the flight. And so he went up to the flight attendant and he said I see you're worried. Why are you so You're sweating with anxiety? Oh, they're going to complain. It's an hour. You know. He said you don't have to let that in. That can get as far as here, but not penetrate this area at all. Yeah, at all, it doesn't have to.
Speaker 2:And when the plane landed, finally, after the five hour flight or whatever, sure enough, every passenger that was walking out the door and I'll get it, I'm going to sue, and you know what the flight attendant did. Thank you very much. Have a nice day, thank you. Thank you for flying United, thank you. And she could not believe that she did that. Yeah, and she looked at Wayne and she burst out laughing and he laughed with her. He tells that story Well, he used to when he was living, but anyway, he told that story at one of his seminars and I just cracked up Because that is truly how it is. You don't have to let it in, but it takes time. It takes somebody to point that out.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and you have to be in the right mindset to do that Absolutely. But, like you say, not to beat yourself up about it, or I'm not going to trivialize, you know if anybody's got serious issues or you know things going on, but it's just a way of reacting.
Speaker 2:If we can do it, that's just a question, right, if we can do it now, to that point, you can think long term, which is what I do. I tend to think long term, both short term and long term, because you have to be in the now. There's no time, but now the present time. But in my mind, my absolute goal is if I live 70, 80, 90, say 120, right Years.
Speaker 1:Set that intention.
Speaker 2:Okay, If I have that intention and I set that goal. At the end of that 119th year, I only had one thing, one one thing on my mind, and you know what that thing is. Can I look back and smile?
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:Yeah, if I can look back on the 119th year, knowing I only have a few months to go, and can I look back and smile, that's all that matters. Because if I can't, I don't want to be like that Ivan Illich character in the book I forget the name of the book. It was a character, ivan Illich, and on his deathbed he looked up at his wife and he said what if my whole life was a mistake? And this guy was wealthy and he was well-known, and he, he, you know he was a big shot, but he, he wasn't doing what he really wanted to do. And he, he, he asked his wife what if my whole life was a mistake? And then he died right after saying that. And that is a tragedy.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:I don't want to have to do that. If all you do all day long is make soup into deliciousness and you give such love when you make it and you do that all day for other people and for yourself and for your grandchildren, so what? At the end of your life you can say, I'm going to look back and I'm going to smile because I made people happy by making my delicious soup.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and I put a lot of love into it probably.
Speaker 2:And I put a lot of love into it and that's all I really care about. I mean, there's other things I do care about, of course, but at the end of it, all of the physical life it's not the end.
Speaker 1:It's the end of an energy transformation.
Speaker 2:End of a chapter. But, but that, but at that stage, can you, can I, can we look back and smile?
Speaker 1:yeah, that's lovely and, on that note, thank you so much for joining us on Balm to the Soul. It's been a pleasure to talk to you. It's been. We could talk for hours, actually, couldn't we probably?
Speaker 2:But we can, but I've really enjoyed the talk. I hope your listeners enjoyed the talk. Keep in mind that a lot of this stuff can be found in my book Taking a Chance on Life. It's on Amazon. It'll be coming out next month or the month after, possibly on audio. It's on e-book. Right now it's in printed version and in e-book and it will be coming out on audio. But the website really is helpful, especially if you're going through some trouble anxiety, trouble sleeping, whatever it is. It's got a lot of good resources there that can help.
Speaker 1:Well, I will put all your details up underneath the episode, so if people want to contact you, they can do so. So thank you, michael. Thank you so much for joining us.
Speaker 2:Thank you, I appreciate it.
Speaker 1:It's been a joy and if you've enjoyed listening to us, then please like and subscribe, and I look forward to talking to you all soon.
