The Hollow Bone Protocol: Becoming a Channel for Divine Healing with Phoenix Rising Star

What happens when you completely surrender and become an empty vessel for healing energy? Phoenix Rising Star reveals the extraordinary power of becoming a "Hollow Bone" for divine healing in this transformative conversation.

After 20 years as a public school teacher, Phoenix found herself burned out and seeking a new path. Despite everyone telling her she was crazy to leave a secure job with benefits, she followed that persistent inner voice calling her to energy work. What began as a personal exploration evolved dramatically when asked to help a dying friend who challenged her to find healing approaches beyond conventional methods.

The breakthrough came unexpectedly when Phoenix witnessed Archangel Michael perform miraculous healing work while she simply observed. This profound experience taught her that true healing happens not through techniques but through complete surrender—becoming empty so divine energy can flow through unobstructed. She later discovered this approach mirrored the healing philosophy of Frank Fools Crow, a renowned Lakota medicine man who described himself as "the hollow bone for spirit."

Phoenix shares how unconditional love forms the foundation of this work and offers practical wisdom for those who struggle to connect with this powerful healing frequency. Her insights about using nature as a gateway to unconditional love provide accessible entry points for anyone seeking deeper healing. Through her Hollow Bone Journey program, she now teaches practitioners a comprehensive system that addresses not only personal healing but ancestral patterns affecting generations.

Whether you're a holistic practitioner looking to expand your abilities or someone on your own healing journey, this conversation illuminates how stepping aside and trusting divine intelligence creates the space for true transformation. Listen now to discover how becoming empty might be the fullest expression of your healing potential.

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Chapters

• 0:00 Introduction to Phoenix Rising Star
• 6:25 From Teaching to Energy Healing
• 11:33 The Healing Angel Protocol Origins
• 17:29 Discovering the Hollow Bone Process
• 25:13 The Power of Unconditional Love
• 30:36 The Hollow Bone Journey Program
• 36:14 Closing Thoughts and Appreciation

Transcript

Speaker 1: 2:30

so welcome everybody to another edition of balm to the soul. I'm your host, natasha joy price, and I'm a lawyer, an energy therapist, an author and, obviously, a podcaster. And today we've got a lovely new guest with us and that is phoenix rising star, so welcome. Thank you so much for joining me on balm to the soul thank you so much for joining me on Balm to the Soul.

Speaker 2: 2:56

Thank you so much for having me.

Speaker 1: 2:58

I'm excited to be here today. Oh no, I'm really excited to have you on. I don't quite know how we connected really, but your emails just started popping up in my, and I don't know where from, and I did a couple of workshops with you. I'm really really, you know, like just one an hour thing sort of, or whatever they were, um, and really enjoyed them and I just thought I must ask that you come on the podcast.

Speaker 2: 3:25

But I have no idea how we really connected, apart from the universe put us in well, it's so funny because I hear a lot of people say that and I'm not quite sure either. Sometimes I can trace it back, like oh, here's where they signed up, but other times I have no idea. No.

Speaker 1: 3:45

Well, I never signed up for anything. So, you know, I don't quite know how it came about, but you know, sometimes you just have to go with the flow, don't you? Absolutely, it's just action. So let's just go right back to the beginning, because I know that you were a teacher. So how did you get into energy therapies? How did you sort of make that leap, if you like?

Speaker 2: 4:16

You know well. First of all, I just have to preface that by saying I think all of us come in with more than one thing.

Speaker 2: 4:23

That trips our trigger and when I was five years old, I announced to my mom I was going to be a teacher. And fortunately I had a really progressive mom, because at that time, you know, the choices were secretary, nurse or teacher, right, and my mom was very progressive and she said, honey, you can do anything you want. And I said, well, that's great, but I really want to be a teacher. Yep, so so I was a teacher for 20 years. I worked in the in the United States, it's called the public schools, and it was mostly around like 12 to 14 year old kids and I loved it. But you know, towards the end of the 20 years it was kind of a burnout and there were a lot of things that were changing in the educational world that I just thought you know what? I just need to go do my own thing. And that's where my other desires started to blossom, which was alternative. Healing was the only really term that I could come up with at the time, because energy healing wasn't even talked about.

Speaker 2: 5:30

This was in the 90s, Okay so we are talking about a long time ago I mean before Doreen Virtue even brought out angels, anything like that but it was like, okay, alternative healing. I know I really believe we can heal ourselves. So how do I do this? What's the best way? And I looked at massage therapy and that wasn't quite right and I thought, okay, there's got to be more to it. And that's when I started to work with angels.

Speaker 2: 5:57

And the first thing I did was I was really unhappy at that point with my job and I wanted to do something different. But I didn't really have the guts to do something different. So I sat down for the first time in a long time and began to meditate and I asked the angels at that time that's who I was instructed to talk to. So, okay, I'm asking the angels, okay, I'm not happy in my job, there needs to be something changing here, thinking that the solution, of course, was my job, not me. No, what I got was, oh, it's time to quit your job. And I'm like, no, I don't want to hear that. That's not the right answer. Clearly, meditation isn't working. And I just slammed the book shut and walked away and thought, okay, there's got to be something else, but I was pretty miserable by that time. You know, my health was suffering, my relationships were suffering. I mean, stress can really get to people when you're in the wrong place.

Speaker 2: 6:58

So three months later I was not any better. So I thought, okay, maybe I need to go back and talk about quitting my job. So I went back into meditation and I said let's start talking about quitting my job. And you know the angels that were helping. They were great. But they said let's start talking about quitting my job. And you know the angels that were helping. They were great. But they said you have to let go of the old before we can help you with the new. And that has been advice that has served me forever, because it also gives you the courage, you know, to take that step forward and say, okay, I'm quitting my job at the end of the school year. And what will I do? Well, I'm going to help people talk to angels and find their soul purpose, cause that's really what I wanted to do. But the way I picked up Reiki, I did shamanic work.

Speaker 2: 7:43

I you know, it was just like a progression of everybody else does that too. Right, that's what was available and that worked for probably the next 15, 16 years, 17 years. Yeah, it was pretty amazing because I was facing a lot of disbelief what are you doing? Quitting a job that has a security paycheck and all these benefits? What are you crazy? Trying to work on your own and be an entrepreneur? That word wasn't even out there yet. It was like nobody does that, nobody's going to sign up for your classes. It was a lot of pushback from everybody, I knew, but, you know, sometimes that voice inside you is so strong that it doesn't matter. Yeah, it doesn't matter what anybody else says. You just got to do it. So I did it and that worked for, like I said, until like 2016.

Speaker 2: 8:43

I was as an intuitive healer at that point, because things that kind of rolled along and progressed as they do, and so I had a client base and I was teaching classes and I was pretty happy with that. But I had a dying friend at that point and she said I want you to be my energy team. And I said, of course I'll do anything I can. And she said but we got to do something different because the energy that's out there isn't working. I'm like, oh my, now, what do I do? I don't have an answer for that one, but fortunately I was still talking to those angels and they were the ones that said oh, don't worry, we've got this. And I said, oh, ok, don't worry, she's got, they've got this, we're under control here. And she said good, what are we going to call it? And I'm like I don't even know what we're doing.

Speaker 1: 9:36

That's really putting you on the spot, isn't it? Like well, it's actually really pushing you as well.

Speaker 2: 9:42

Come on on, yes, this is what you need to be doing. It was all spirit led right. Yeah, you was so tapped in and and so when I asked the angels, what do you want to call it? And they said, oh well, we'll call it the healing angel protocol. I went, okay, we'll call it the healing angel protocol. What do I know? I didn't even know what it was right, but then what happened was different things. Um, like I don't even know what it was right, but then what happened was different things Like I don't even know if they would if you would call them techniques or I don't know, I would say personal transformative techniques would come in, things that would just help her to open her heart more, to allow for any of the pain and suffering that she had locked inside her to come out, because many times, if we don't let our pain and suffering out, then that's where it starts to really build energy within our physical body.

Speaker 2: 10:32

That's not healthy and that's what was happening to her. So she had a bunch of tumors, a lot of them. Well, all the ones we worked on disappeared at the end of six weeks. However, her body was severely compromised because she was combining what we were doing with conventional medicine and you know, it was just too much, she just yeah.

Speaker 2: 10:55

So she ended up living longer than they said she would, and that was wonderful and she lived. I would say her quality of life was very good, for much of what she had left too. However, she you know the body only has it has its limits, and so she ended up passing away. But the beautiful thing was that I learned so much from that because I saw miraculous results. I mean to see tumors. I mean, who talks about that kind of stuff?

Speaker 1: 11:22

Yeah yeah.

Speaker 2: 11:24

So I knew it was on to something and I knew it had to be shared with more people, and that was really the birth of the hollow bone, even though I didn't change the name until 2023. But that was really the birth of it where I said this has to go out to more people. But how did? How did all this work? I mean, it's one thing to channel something and it's a whole nother thing to understand it so that you can explain it to other people. So, yes, do it and see the same results. Yeah, that was my goal and that took me probably well, from the time I received the next leveling up of the Healing Angel Protocol to the hollow bone, which was just a consciousness exercise that I had no clue I was doing.

Speaker 2: 12:12

But that's where I saw this huge miracle happen, where Archangel Michael walked in and he performed a miracle on my client lying there. I was sitting there not doing a thing because it wasn't my thing to do. I just observed him in action and he explained to me what he was doing. He was cleaning off her ancestral DNA so she could manifest better, and he turned and he walked out. She gets off the table. She's like, wow, that was the best session ever. I'll see you later. And she rips out the door. What just happened? And I heard that highlight voice that said oh, that level of consciousness that you move into when you can really let go and let source do what source does best, whether you call it spirit or the divine, or God or goddess, whatever terminology you want to use, it's just letting go and not thinking we are doing something. It had nothing to do with me.

Speaker 2: 13:22

It's like being a challenge, a channel it's totally being a channel and totally getting out of the way, because up to that point, I said I would sit in meditation and then I was told well, go clear your chakras or pull this energy out. So I was always doing something. Yes, this had nothing to do. This was all about being in a state of love, because that's how we started off. We started off in this meditation that got us both with open hearts in work.

Speaker 2: 13:55

It walks in in Archangel Michael, which I'd never seen him before. I could hear him, but I had never seen him. I saw him perform a miracle. He explained it to me. He walked out the whole time. I'm not doing anything, I'm observing source in action. I'm observing a miracle in action. So it had nothing to do with me. It's really trippy, right, and this is probably the hardest thing for all intuitive healers to embrace Even when you think that, oh, yeah, no, I am a channel for source. Yes, but are you still doing things right? Because if you're not letting source come in and do whatever's for the highest and best, you're doing something. So it's really it's not about doing, it's about being, and that's what sets us apart from everything else. So that's kind of a short download into what the hollow bone is, but I think you get the gist of it?

Speaker 1: 14:56

yeah, absolutely. It's an interesting name, isn't it? Because I was saying to else I was talking about the hollow bone, and she was saying what are you talking about? What is the hollow bone? And I said, well, it is an unusual name, isn't it?

Speaker 2: 15:14

It is, and I had to search and search and search. It took me three years to find the source of that phrase. Because in shamanic work which is like shamanism is based on programs that have been done or systems that have been followed for probably 2000 years, even before people could write about it where the shaman would be the one who would be in charge of, like helping to facilitate healing or wisdom within the tribe. But they did it through being that hollow bone for source, right? And so in shamanism everybody talks about, well, just be the hollow bone, but nobody explains how to be the hollow bone, right? I had to figure it out, and so it took me three years to find what's the source of this. I had to figure it out, and so it took me three years to find what's the source of this, because it had to start someplace. Yeah, I discovered Frank fool's crow. I could not believe it three years later, and it was so. It was one of those divine things. In my inbox comes this obscure blog that I never followed before, and it talked about Frank Fool's Crow being the hollow bone for spirit. And I went oh my gosh, I've got to find out. So I started reading more and it turned out he was the nephew of Black Elk, who was a great ceremonial chief, lakota chief here in the United States, and the Lakotas were in the central part and they were very much around the Black Hills of South Dakota and there was a lot of challenge between the US government and the Lakota Indians because they felt that the Black Hills were very sacred to them and of course the government wanted to take it over and so Black Elk was there and then his nephew, frank Fools Crow, was also a renowned healer at the time, but he also was a political activist and he became the bridge between the Lakota and the US government for getting the return of the Black Hills. Now he also is such a renowned healer that he had people coming from all over North America to visit him for what he called curing, and curing in his eyes was more of the. When you're presenting, symptoms go away. So if someone showed up with a heart disease, then all of a sudden their heart's fixed and they're fine and they can go because of the miracles that can happen when you're being the hollow bone. But a lot of people also came for healing. So the difference between curing and healing curing is when those find peace within yourself for everything that's happened in your life, everything you've been holding on to, and you accept what is so many times as we're facing our demise. If there is no cure for us, then that's the next phase we need to enter into. So he would say, everyone can be healed, and in other words, find that peace. Not everyone can be cured and he said I don't know why, that's up to source, it's not up to me, right, everything I read in his biography was such a parallel for things that I had been studying and working out my own for the last three years. It was just like holy smokes. This is amazing.

Speaker 2: 18:47

When he talked about the process of being that hollow bone, it was like yes, yes, yes, even down to when somebody said to him, when his biographer said to him, how do you start each session with a client?

Speaker 2: 19:01

And he said I would touch them with my eyes of love. Now I was completely blown away by that, because in my classes I had been teaching people first we start from this place of unconditional love. It's not the judgmental kind, it's the kind from source, and we fill ourselves with that so that when we open our eyes we are just not just touching, but I would say we're feeling with the eyes of love, right, we're feeling with our hearts of love, we're connecting with our hearts of love, and so it was the same concept, whether you're talking about eyes or your heart, it's the same concept. 'm like, oh my gosh, I'm on the right track. It was so validating to me and, yes, wonderful to read his biography. Now, of course, he had a lot of cultural things that you know, being Lakota, that I don't have a privy to, and that's fine, I mean, you know, I mean, that's just the way it is, but the, the hollow bone part, I got that part and I was so excited to find that validation.

Speaker 2: 20:05

That was wonderful that's really now.

Speaker 1: 20:07

You've put it in context. I can understand it, but when I first read it, I've you know, I was a bit like what's that about? But that's so interesting and I tell you what else is interesting. Before a session, I always download. I do a lot of theta and you can download emotions. I always download Unconditional Love. Now I don't know where that's come from, but it's a similar thing. Yes, similar sort of you know, setting, setting the session up, setting the room up for a successful session.

Speaker 2: 20:44

Absolutely, absolutely.

Speaker 1: 20:46

Amazing, how interesting so you've got. You've written the Hollow Bone of Healing and also the Power of the Hollow Bone. Yes, I'm going to have to read your books now. I'm fascinated now oh, good, good.

Speaker 2: 21:59

Well, the first one, the hollow bone of healing, is, uh, more of a like self healing manual. So there's and there's six guided meditations you get for free with that that help you step into the role of the hollow bone, starting with unconditional love Let me get back to that in a second. But the power of the hollow bone then. Because it became very clear I was working more with holistic practitioners than probably anybody else, because they get it and they want to help more people and they want to make a bigger impact on the world and this, I am firmly convinced, is one of the ways to make that happen fast and so that the power of the hollow bone is more for holistic practitioners, either to bring it into an existing practice or to just do it as a standalone, and because either one works, yeah, it works. So let me go ahead.

Speaker 1: 22:52

No, no, carry on.

Speaker 2: 22:54

So I know I get so excited, but when I first wrote about the power of unconditional love and how that is such an essential piece for being in that hollow bone and it's not the only thing, but it's what sets that stage, like you say, for the miracles to happen and the connection to source, and so when I first wrote about it, I got a lot of emails from people saying you know, I mean, I intellectually understand what you're saying. However, emotionally I can't get there because I have never known unconditional love. I don't even know if I have it for my dog, and so I. How do I?

Speaker 1: 23:38

how do I do that? How do I know that I, I, yeah, I get that, yeah, exactly.

Speaker 2: 23:43

So that's when I kind of shifted things and my opening meditation to putting people into nature, because nature is like our biggest healer that we have out there, right, and everybody loves nature, even if you're living in the middle of New York City. Where do you go when it's sunny? You go to the parks, you go to where the green grass is, you go to where the trees are, where the water is. We all gravitate to nature and we all have access to it someplace for free, right? Yeah, so if we can find ourselves there, nature has a way of just helping us open our hearts and let go.

Speaker 1: 24:23

yes, yeah, well, it's something to do, especially trees. I'm absolutely fascinated with trees. I love working with trees because the Celts taught us that the ancients, the Celtics, just loved the trees and would use them for healing energetically as well as pulses, and pulses. Is that right? But you know what I mean? Um, but every tree had a frequency which they would work with. So I get that completely. You, you go and connect and even if you don't know how that's affecting your energy, there's obviously something puts you in a different state of being. People can stress really doesn't it.

Speaker 2: 25:04

It does and people can feel it. You know, feelings can't always be put into words, where we understand them intellectually, but feelings are very, very important. So if any of your listeners are feelers, really honor that about yourself, because that's huge. And and the sense of knowing things too, when you know things without knowing how you know just like you knew about doing that unconditional love. You just bring that in. And where did that come from? Who knows?

Speaker 1: 25:34

but you knew why it came in, but it did. Yeah, yes, and more recently I've been asking infinite spirit, show me the divine plan, and then I'll get sort of um, a thought come into my head, you know, like about trees or, and you think, oh, okay, maybe that, maybe that you know that's a stepping stone. It's a stepping stone, isn't it? And you have to just follow them and trust that they're going to. It's going to be an amazing journey and you're going to find a destination somewhere.

Speaker 2: 26:08

Absolutely, and you're following those basic steps of being the hollow bone. You're paying attention to what comes in and how it comes in, and trusting, which is probably the hardest thing in the world, right? Yeah, because we all have this idea of controlling it yeah, absolutely.

Speaker 1: 26:25

And when we get frustrated, actually we're basically saying we don't trust. Yes, it took me a while to get that, but then I kept thinking, no, stop it, don't get frustrated about things, because you're saying to the universe actually I don't trust you, yeah, and I want to control it, and that doesn't work.

Speaker 2: 26:46

No, not as well as when we let the divine do it or a source to it.

Speaker 1: 26:50

Absolutely yeah oh, wow well done, you're learning a lot so um tell me, you do so, you're you on your website. You do um a program for holistic practitioners, so that over a year, or what, what, uh, how does that work?

Speaker 2: 27:13

oh, good question. So it's called the hollow bone journey and what it's doing is teaching people how to be that hollow bone, first for themselves and then for others, and we kind of do both at the same time. But you know, there's so much personal transformational work that needs to happen for all healers in order to step into helping others, and truly this would work for anybody in any situation. But I see it matching holistic healers better. And so with this it's really a four-step system, the way that it's unfolded. And the first one is we awaken your inner guidance, so that you are really clear about how that message is coming through you, in what way, and you learn to interpret energy. And I think you know this is really for beginners, but that part is. But it's essential even for people that have been doing this work for a long time. When they come back into this intro class or when they take it for the first time, they are blown away by how much they realize they didn't know, because the stuff that just isn't taught anywhere anymore. Maybe it used to be and it kind of fell off the wayside or whatever, but so, anyway, that's one of the things we teach, and then we start learning about having safe boundaries ourself too right, because that's so essential as an energetic healer or a practitioner because we can pick up other people's energies and we don't want to do that. That's not helpful for us and it's not helpful for them. You know things like that. So we learn the basics through that. It's just a very short course called Awaken your Inner Guidance.

Speaker 2: 28:54

I teach that one because that's I really feel like people need that foundation from me, because I think I know that better than even my team leaders and I love them so much and they've been with me forever and they're just wonderful at what they do, but I think I just know a little shade more than they do.

Speaker 2: 29:10

So my team leaders and I have four of them and they teach levels one, two and three, which are opening, healing and activating. So opening is where you're really opening your heart to source or the divine or whatever terminology you want. You're learning how to be an open channel for source or spirit as it comes through you and to begin to trust the process that we have a lot of helpers out there that Spirit sends us. Sometimes it's a hummingbird that comes and talks to you. Sometimes it's a plant that comes and talks to you. Sometimes it's a crystal that talks to you and so we learn how to work with those things in a way that is safe for us, to connect with their divine spirit and receive higher wisdom from them, so that we can be a better healer for ourselves and follow that. Following that guidance also assist others if that comes in through their session to have a better understanding of why. Would this rock come into my session? Oh, it sounds fascinating, sounds fascinating.

Speaker 2: 30:14

Yeah, right, and so then, once you've opened your heart to all that, what happens naturally is all the things that you've been denying or, you know, suppressing or not wanting to admit are going to come up for healing because they're ready. Now you've opened the door, even though you may not feel like you're ready for healing. It's easy to step into it the way that we do it, because we teach you how to find where in your body or your energy field are these most prominent issues that you might be holding on to from this lifetime, from any other lifetime, or from your ancestors or from your ancestors and then how to invite source in to do the healing work so that it's just done from the inception, all the way through. So your healing is not just your healing, it's your ancestors healing and it's your future descendants are also being healed, all at the same time.

Speaker 1: 31:08

This is huge you don't really need to delve through it or work out what was going on. You can just give it to source and say can you just heal?

Speaker 2: 31:17

this. That's the easy way, yes, but you can go through different specific things if your mind says. This would be really helpful yes because sometimes, sometimes, we just need to know that, you know yeah.

Speaker 1: 31:33

Or maybe a combination of both. Yes, yes, exactly. You don't need to know everything, but some things might be important.

Speaker 2: 31:41

Yes, and you don't have to relive any trauma, and that is huge.

Speaker 1: 31:45

Yes, exactly Fascinating. Okay, and that's all on your website. Yes, yes. And do you also do um one-to-ones?

Speaker 2: 31:56

um, I do. I don't do as many now because I have practitioners that um have gone through the program and have been certified as a practitioner and so I'm really trying to showcase them, but I do. I do work a lot with my students and I do have some people that have been on my list for 15 years. That will always be following me, and so I, you know, I've been working with them for a while and then occasionally then I'll take on new clients too, but mostly as coaching students. Yeah, and that's for people that really have something specific. They want specific help with achieving and it, and the best way to do it is to be that channel, and they just are a little lost in how to make their reality happen that way.

Speaker 1: 32:41

Yeah, fascinating. I really enjoyed talking to you. I will definitely read about the hollow bone Now I understand a bit more about what that is about. But yes, it sounds fascinating, fascinating. Thank you so much.

Speaker 2: 32:56

I really really appreciate you coming and supporting barn to the soul thank you so much for having me and I I'm sorry I just talked your ear off, but you know.

Speaker 1: 33:05

I love. I love guests that talk my ear off. I love that. That's great. It shows how passionate you are about it, and that's that's fabulous. That's what you want, isn't it? That's an energy, a vibration in itself, so that's amazing.

Speaker 2: 33:23

Yeah, it's definitely my purpose, yeah.

Speaker 1: 33:26

Fabulous. Thank you so much. I really appreciate you coming on and, if you have listened, uh, enjoyed listening to us chatting about the hollow bone. Um, you can share this podcast and you can also subscribe to the podcast as well. And um, I will speak to you all again soon.