Healing Your Nervous System to Manifest Abundance with Grace Evergreen

Your body might be actively preventing the abundance you're trying to manifest—and your nervous system holds the key to understanding why. In this illuminating conversation with Grace Evergreen, we dive deep into the often-overlooked connection between nervous system regulation and manifestation success.

When you've tried every manifestation technique but still struggle to attract what you desire, the block may be physiological rather than mindset-based. Grace reveals why what many call "self-sabotage" is actually your nervous system's attempt to keep you safe by maintaining familiar patterns, even when those patterns involve struggle. This protective mechanism explains why someone might intellectually desire wealth while unconsciously creating circumstances that prevent financial abundance.

Our nervous systems developed their response patterns through childhood experiences. If you grew up in an environment where money was scarce or relationships were dysfunctional, your body learned those conditions as "normal" and "safe"—not because they were pleasant, but because they were predictable. When you try to manifest something outside this comfort zone, your nervous system sounds the alarm, triggering self-doubt, fear, and resistance.

The path forward requires more than positive thinking. Grace shares practical techniques for creating internal safety around abundance through compassionate self-inquiry. By noticing physical sensations when visualizing your desires, asking curious questions about your resistance, and healing the underlying beliefs keeping your nervous system in protection mode, you create a foundation for successful manifestation.

This episode will transform how you approach abundance work, offering a holistic framework that honors both your conscious desires and your body's need for safety. Rather than fighting against resistance, you'll learn to use it as valuable information guiding your healing journey.

Ready to align your nervous system with your manifestation practice? Listen now and discover how to create the internal conditions for effortless abundance to flow.

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Chapters

• 0:00 Introduction to Grace Evergreen
• 5:57 Nervous System's Role in Manifestation
• 10:12 How Trauma Affects Our Window of Tolerance
• 14:39 The Self-Sabotage Myth Explained
• 21:25 Breaking Patterns Through Self-Awareness
• 28:13 Manifesting From Safety vs. Fear
• 33:57 Healing Through Curiosity and Compassion
• 38:51 Taking Practical Steps Toward Regulation
• 44:32 Resources and Final Thoughts

Transcript

Speaker 1: 2:30

So welcome everybody to another episode of Barn to the Soul. I'm your host, Natasha Joy Price, and I'm an energy therapist, an author and, obviously, a podcaster. And today we have a lovely new guest on and her name is Grace Evergreen. So welcome, Grace. Thank you so much for supporting the podcast.

Speaker 2: 2:52

Thank you for asking me. I love to talk and share, and the more wisdom we can share into the world, the better the world's going to be right.

Speaker 1: 3:00

Absolutely, absolutely. So I first heard Grace, because I joined a workshop and you were talking about manifesting and I just was really impressed by how eloquent you were about manifesting. So I thought, oh, I'm gonna see if I can get Grace on the podcast. And here you are, so thank you for doing that. So we're going to talk a little bit. We're going to talk about lots of things, but we're going to talk about primarily manifesting. But in relation to our nervous system, aren't we? Yes, everybody knows what manifesting is all about.

Speaker 2: 3:40

Well, I hope it's such a buzzword in the world. I mean, it has infiltrated so many places and it has become the new buzzword and I think sometimes the depth of what manifesting is and how we do it and how we as 3D humans relate to the idea of manifesting something in our life is so important, because so much of what we're given online social media, in the world articles it's given this idea of a very surface level idea of manifestation. I don't think that people understand how to relate it to their 3D world, especially if they're having trouble manifesting right and they get stuck and they feel like I'm not doing it right. And then you have people and this is a bit of a sore point for me, but you have people yelling at them, you have lack mentality, you have this and it's like not really there's a bigger story.

Speaker 1: 4:36

Yes. So let's talk about that bigger story. A lot of it relates to our nervous system, our physicality, doesn't it?

Speaker 2: 4:44

Yes, absolutely. Our nervous system is so important for our life, right, it is designed to keep us safe. It is designed to alert us when there's danger. When there's a big tiger or bear right there, we need to run away really fast. But how we have experienced life will often dictate how our nervous system works or doesn't work. And I just think it's important for people to understand, on a very simplistic level of you know, just to give you the high arching overview, but to encourage and maybe help people become curious about their own nervous system, to go and look at how they're responding to the world and how it responds to the world, because it can determine a lot of things relationships, jobs, our personal if you're an entrepreneur, if you're doing, if you do any type of side gigging anything in life our relationships with ourselves. You know that's a big thing. So, when we think about our nervous system, it is designed.

Speaker 2: 5:53

Another buzzword that's been happening is, like you know, regulate your nervous system and and it's it's kind of I have a kind of a hard time with that term but because our nervous system we have the parasympathetic and the sympathetic nervous system is designed to balance itself. Yeah, it's designed to regulate itself, but what happens in life? It is, as many of us have experienced. If we experience chronic like fight or flight, or we experience chronic trauma or something that impacts us that we're chronically in. It can be anything from a chronic illness or something that we experience that stresses us out, I you know, activating that fight or flight. What happens is is our window of tolerance gets smaller, and what that means is our window of tolerance is if you see something in the world like, how likely are you to be triggered? Right, like, where is your trigger at? And, for example, last week I spent a very long time and very dysregulated, my window of tolerance was very closed, it was the slightest thing and I just went off and like I just had anger, upset, fear, all of those type of emotions came in, which was an indication that hey, we're not okay, something's not feeling safe inside of us.

Speaker 2: 7:21

And that's when we have those experiences. It's like the first warning sign given to you that something is wrong and you're not feeling safe in some way in your life. Right, when we think about the nervous system and we think about our life, sometimes our brain always has a negative bias. It's meant to. It's this job, so that we are safe.

Speaker 2: 7:47

And what happens is if we grow up or we've had experiences where, say, for example, growing up, you came from a family that didn't have a lot of money or it was high stress, your parents worked a lot and there wasn't a lot of connectivity, there wasn't exposure to living an abundant life, right, there was stress, hardship. So growing up your nervous system figured out that this is safe, it is safe to not have money, it is safe. It's like the devil, you know, kind of situation where your nervous system feels it only can handle this type of life because anything outside of that is risky, it's scary, and there's too much unknown, and it kind of sounds the there's too much unknown, and and and you know, and and it kind of sounds the alarms. So I don't know if you've ever heard and I'm sure many people have heard this when everybody's like you self sabotage.

Speaker 2: 8:43

Yeah it's really not a thing. What it is is it's your brain keeping you safe because it doesn't like what you're asking it to do. Yeah, there's your nervous system can't cope with what you're asking it to do, especially if it's something new, outside of your comfort zone, something that maybe before has been risky and has had consequences or has any type of failure attached to it in the brain, then your nervous system is going to shut it down in whatever way it can, usually through self-doubt, like self-flagellating thoughts like you can't do this, you're not enough, you can't like. All of those conversations come up, not because really you believe it, but it knows how to stop you from doing the thing that it determines is risky, knows how to stop you from doing the thing that it determines is risky. And so when we tie all of that idea to abundance, right, it's hard for our nervous system to understand what abundance looks like because there's a lot of conversations happening. And so if I'm going to talk about money a lot, because it's probably the most common one people want to manifest as wealth, right, it's easier because it's an easy example, because people understand it If you've not lived in a life where you've had access to a lot of wealth, or you've had a lot of wealth coming in.

Speaker 2: 10:08

Maybe people have told you you're not good with money. People have told you that you have a distrust around how you handle money. Get money and make money. Then you spend it. Or situations will happen in your life where you'll need to not have that money because you need to pay it out to somebody and because I've done as an example, I've done the whole. I need this money right now because of this situation and it only gives me the money I needed for right then. It doesn't increase my abundance long term.

Speaker 2: 10:56

It's the quick fix Because when we in those types of situations, we can still manifest from fear, we can manifest from lack. We can manifest. That's what those situations are. I manifested out of fear and desperation, which is why it wasn't long-term yeah, it was just the quick fix to get you out of that versus the long-term wealth that I really truly needed at that time. And I think the one thing to remember is you're not doing anything wrong. No, whether you, whether your nervous system is slightly dysregulated, whether you're in fight or flight or you've dealt, you're dealing with trauma, you're in a trauma response. You're in survival versus thriving. If you're in this space, you're not wrong. There is nothing to fix. There is nothing wrong with you there, it's just your body and your being shouting out the beacon for help.

Speaker 1: 11:59

Yeah, and it's just working it out as well, isn't it? And just seeing the patterns, couple of hours getting home, and, um, so my nervous system was absolutely, you know, heightened. But when my nervous system heightens like that, I find myself acting exactly the same way as my father did. Yeah, but he was in the same situation, and I think it's that alert behavior to that situation, to feeling that way, and so I'm repeating that pattern, which just makes you feel even more frustrated.

Speaker 2: 12:44

Absolutely, absolutely. I don't know how many women I know that have said I do not want to be like my mother, like they want to do the opposite of what their mother did in their lives. And then they get stressed out, or their kids are being crazy and they they are angry, or they're heightened and all of a sudden they do the thing that their mother did and they're like no, and they get so upset and I hear myself say something and I think oh, that's my mother.

Speaker 1: 13:09

Yeah, you do it again. A learned, a learned response right and it's not.

Speaker 2: 13:16

And and it's not so much that yes, it's.

Speaker 1: 13:19

It's partly learned behavior because of your experience, but your nervous system has decided in that moment, especially as a young child, that that's how I handle that type of stress yeah that's how that you've how, that when you get that stress so next time I'm drunk which happens very rarely, I have to say but next time I'm driving and I get, start, feel that I've got to consciously think no, we're going to change this, we're going to just modify this, we're going to breathe, we're not going to get so stressed, etc. And even if you are so stressed, et cetera.

Speaker 2: 13:50

And even if you are so stressed it's, it's reacting in a way that cause I do that sometimes too. I have had when I was very young, road rage was a thing in my life and when I feel that way, I don't think of I'm not, I just remember you're projecting what you're feeling outward and we need to figure out how we can help our inward right. So when we're angry and we're projecting and we're shouting, we're just, we're having that emotion that's pushing out of us. We're projecting it out onto the world in whatever way. And when that happens it's not to go into shame or blame or oh, I don't want to do that. It goes into, oh no, there's something inside of me that is not okay and to kind of begin to, you know, have that reaction and it's, it's habitual. You can't sometimes it's hard to know before you do it right.

Speaker 1: 14:41

It's, it's a natural reaction, but it's interesting to make that you know, just having that experience and listening to you straight after it made me think you know, and listening to you straight after it made me think you know I was my dad. I was behaving like I've seen my dad do a hundred times, so that part of it was learned, and actually that's not a good behavior, because it doesn't calm you down or it doesn't help you in any way.

Speaker 2: 15:07

No, it's taking something, it's not offering yourself the support that you need in that moment in the way that it's helpful. And, and, to be very honest, most of our parents and my generation, most of our parents didn't know how to do any of that. They didn't understand. This wasn't a thing in my parents' generation. The idea of mental health and self-regulation and nervous system wasn't a thing. It wasn't a thing. No, it wasn't something you talked about or worked on.

Speaker 2: 15:39

But I think the most, when it comes to our behaviors, in our relationship, especially with the world, right, I think the biggest key and the biggest understanding is we go into those loops like, say, somebody that happened to somebody and they sounded like their mom or their dad, and they get into these places. There's a, there's a self rejection. That happens. There's a self anger and a self kind of directed frustration. And I think if we enter into, if we see that and we feel that happening, and we enter into that space of curiosity, we go, okay, I had, I reacted like my parent and now I feel shame about it. Why do I feel shame? What is it about that reaction that I don't like? And then you go into that next step of okay, I didn't like it because it doesn't feel like who I want to be or who I am. It doesn't align with the values that I have or who I am as a person. And it's to give yourself that grace of saying, okay, you know what, I know why I did it because I learned it. But it's up to me now to explore gently, kindly, within the self of how do I want to react, how can I offer what I need in order to react in a way that is in kind and it's not to mean you don't get frustrated.

Speaker 2: 17:58

Your nervous system is never going to be flatlined, ever. It doesn't work that way. It is always going to be ups and downs. The purpose of balancing your nervous system is not to have such big spikes high highs and low lows and just to have this gentle meandering process. And that comes from introspection, of curiosity, one of the things you know in the past year. I just moved recently across the US and you know there's a lot of things on fire right now and so you know our nervous systems, just about everybody nervous system is on high alert of fight or flight.

Speaker 2: 18:36

And you know one of the things I've been practicing is you know when I get into that fear space is. I ask myself what are you afraid of? What does this make you fear? What are you? What is happening right now that you are afraid? After watching that news bulletin or seeing that post online? What are you experiencing? Where in your body are you experiencing it? Is my chest tight? Does my you know, my solar plexus? Is it churning? Where do I feel it in my body? And notice it and then go into the space of curiosity. What do we feel? What do we fear? Oh, I fear that if this continues, you know X, y or Z and I can say well, I can validate, because we have to validate our fear, because it's real. But I can and I can say, hey, you know what? Yeah, that is so scary if that happens and it's a possibility. But what can we do right now to make ourselves feel safe?

Speaker 1: 19:33

Yeah.

Speaker 2: 19:35

And it's that same rhythm, the rinse and repeat of that to everything we experience. And so, if we're talking about manifesting and we're talking about our nervous system, when you think of having wealth or having money, what is the reaction of your, in your body, like, whatever you're asking for, checking in with, how do I feel about this Really? Because we see the world and we see social media and we're caught up in the you know, flashy cars, houses, the, the perfect partner, the whatever, and and we're kind of manifesting from something that isn't really truly what we want. We're manifesting it from a space of if I have that, I will be happy.

Speaker 1: 20:24

Yeah, exactly yeah, rather than what would make me happy, truly happy as well, because that's the other thing. People say sometimes I want A, b and C, but when you start digging and you start talking to them, actually they don't want a, b and c, they've been told they want that and yeah and or by society, by parents, by family, but you should be getting married, so you should have a partner, or you know. And when you talk to them and dig, it's not really what they want and then, and then they're never going to manifest that are they I.

Speaker 2: 20:59

I spent a year in college doing something I didn't want to do and I dropped out because I hated it. I was great at it, but I hated it. I hated it because I was told that I shouldn't go into nursing. Because I wanted to go into nursing and my mother's a nurse and she was just like it's such a thankless job you shouldn't do that. And so I went into accounting. I hate accounting. I'm good at it, but I hate it. And so I realized I'm more of a nurturer, I'm more of a helper, I'm more of a healer, you know, I'm more of a connecting people to their hearts and connecting them to kind of really sort out like where are the parts where I'm disconnected from myself? And and it's not wrong to want to manifest cars and houses and love, it's not. None of that's wrong.

Speaker 1: 21:48

There's no judgment which is another word people. Yeah, a lot of yeah wanting things is.

Speaker 2: 21:55

There's no moral thing that is attached to wanting a manifestation. As long as you're not trying to manifest hurting another person, then it's not. There's no moral context on manifesting, and I think the more we give ourselves the grace and the time to decide. Okay, you know, I do want to share my life with someone, I do want a partner, but how do I feel about it? Well, I'm worried that I'll get some, a partner that is, you know, that is going to be unfaithful, or a partner that won't understand how to support me, or a partner that that I feel doesn't understand what I want in life. Like you know the type of partnership that I want, and so then I go into that space of okay, I've had partnerships, I've had a husband, I've had relationships and they didn't turn out.

Speaker 2: 22:52

What was my part in those relationships that caused me to feel this way? Because we want to project the idea of it was someone else's fault, but that gives our power to that person to always make it their fault. And it's not to say that it wasn't their fault, because there are some abusive people in this world. But even that, why did I attract an abusive partner? Not that there's something wrong with you, but are you looking for something within a person that is like in every abusive partner? Right, you're looking for. You know, a lot of times, like if we've had abusive parents or abusive father, as a woman, we look for men that are like that because it's safe to us. It's the same thing. It's our nervous system saying a person who acts like our dad, even though he was abusive and hurtful and unkind, it's safe because I know what to expect to happen.

Speaker 1: 23:49

Yeah, I've lived that way, so I know what to do. Yeah.

Speaker 2: 23:54

And when you want a partner who is loving and caring and adoring and you haven't experienced that, your nervous system is like what the actual is happening right now, because I don't even know and I don't know how to respond, and so the unknown is so fearful that there will be sabotage in that relationship. You will sabotage that relationship and how know, how do we, how do we turn that tide right?

Speaker 1: 24:22

we have to look at, you know, even if the situation is bad, that we keep attracting, it's probably because there's a safety element there. So then we have to have a bit of a dig and a talk to ourself and work out what you know, that what's in us that is attracting, that maybe there's a hook, maybe there's a lot of anger in us for having experienced that before and and therefore anger attracts anger. That you know. But we have to be really introspective, don't we, to clear the decks and get it ready for.

Speaker 2: 25:07

And what, what? The biggest change. If you want to, very if you are committed to, to healing and shifting those things inside of you that are attracting these partners or friendships, I'm telling you you have to have a level of commitment of introspection with kindness. Have to have a level of commitment of introspection with kindness. If you go in guns a blazing and is like you suck and we need to fix ourselves because we're broken or we're wrong or there's something wrong with us, go in with that attitude and you will not. You will continue to be on that path. It's hard to have kindness when we've been told we're the problem our whole lives.

Speaker 1: 25:40

Yeah absolutely.

Speaker 2: 25:41

It's hard to feel like we deserve kindness from ourselves, mostly because we blame certain parts of us, like, oh, I can't tell you how many people. It's like, yeah, my heart's stupid, it gets me into trouble. I'm like it has nothing to do with your heart, your heart knows what it wants. It's your brain and your nervous system saying that's not safe, girl, and just finding the people that are mirroring what your nervous system because relationships are mirrors right, friendships, relationships are mirrors of. There's something in us that attracts them.

Speaker 2: 26:16

That mirror is happening in front of you and for me, know, and for me, it was avoidance. Like I avoided myself emotionally. I avoided who I was for so long. And so what did I do? I married somebody who was emotionally avoidant and it's like this isn't working. But when I? But when I left that marriage, I was like, oh, but when I left that marriage, I was like, oh, where was I avoiding myself emotionally? Where was I not supporting me emotionally and stepping up to the plate to support myself? That's why it was reflected in my partners, because I am a champion avoider and that's I find doing that reflection exercise.

Speaker 1: 27:00

Actually I find that very, um, eye-opening, because it doesn't always have to be so. I remember doing it with a relationship and thinking, well, I don't behave like that. And then it suddenly dawned on me actually I do, but in a different sphere of my life. And then I suddenly got that connection. But when you get the connection it is a bit of a oh yeah, oh no, oh no connection. But when you get the connection it is a bit of a oh yeah, oh no.

Speaker 2: 27:35

You kind of go into that space of oh, I have to own this now and it's not comfortable and it's not easy, but it's worth it, right? I when I moved here, sorry.

Speaker 1: 27:47

I was to say, when you see it, you can shift your behavior. And it again it reflects that. So things shift. So there is a way out of that.

Speaker 2: 27:58

Absolutely.

Speaker 1: 27:59

If you get that aha moment, that's a great thing, because you now have the power to change it.

Speaker 2: 28:05

Yes, and when you are in that space of kindness and compassion for yourself, it shifts even faster.

Speaker 1: 28:13

Yeah.

Speaker 2: 28:14

I moved here a year ago, the end of this month, and when I moved here I committed to myself saying okay, I'm like Grace, we have been struggling for so long and we've been on this journey for so long. It is time to truly commit to me. Commit to me because I'm a people pleaser, I'm a former codependent, I am all. I am always giving out and never having reserves for myself. And it was such a chronic thing that I developed a chronic illness. And so it was just because my body was in high alert and I wasn't listening. I wasn't available to listen because I was more worried about making sure that person was okay rather than making sure I was okay.

Speaker 2: 28:58

And so when I came here and I was just so like, fervent about this commitment of just no, we have this is we moved away from all of our friends? We don't know anybody in this town or this state. We are truly like alone. Not so much that I can't have friends. I do. I'm a massage therapist and my energy worker, but I don't have social commitments. I don't feel the need to help and make somebody okay, and it's given, afforded me that time. Now I'm not saying y'all need to go live in a town where nobody knows you.

Speaker 2: 29:32

But for me it was important because I couldn't have that boundary of my time yeah and so the more we work with and and examine and have introspection with curiosity, the the idea of discovery, the idea of, oh, I want to see what else I want to discover about myself, the quicker things shift and you begin to build self-trust and safety within the self. And, like this last week, I was just so dysregulated Like I had been a year ago in the previous place I lived and I was really scared because I didn't want to go back to that feeling, because I lost, like connection with life itself and and just but having the support of myself, knowing that I was dysregulated, rather than just letting me spin out, I was like, okay, we're feeling unsafe. What are we feeling unsafe about? We've done too many risky things, things beyond our comfort zone. We've set some hard boundaries with our family. I've, you know, gone beyond this, this safety boundary here, and you're and I'm feeling unsafe.

Speaker 2: 30:40

And how do I find safety? It's given me the tool to, rather than stay in the loop, to step out of the loop and go. What is, what do I need right now? I need safety. Okay, let's seek safety within, and when I do that, and using the tools like brain spotting and a lot of the other things that I use. I can step into this feeling of, okay, I'm safe, I can take a breath, and that's how the nervous system comes back to balance is when we can step out of the loop of like the spinning the spiral, and then we can step out of it and go okay, do a check-in, what is my body feeling? Where am I feeling it? How am I feeling, what is the conversation that's happening? And that's that's a really powerful way to manifest right, because and having that energy of curiosity and fun.

Speaker 1: 31:33

It's fun, it's interesting, right? What can we work out now? What is like a puzzle? Let's, let's solve an element of this puzzle.

Speaker 2: 31:41

Yes, yeah and yeah, and you're not looking at yourself or what's happening in a in a very judgmental way. We're not looking at it as a way of yeah, it's got to be soft, doesn't it?

Speaker 2: 31:55

Yep, it does. It's like a child. If you had your child in front of you that it's having a moment of anxiety and panic or they're really upset or they're really afraid, you don't tell them what the fuck is your problem. Sorry, I don't know if you swear on this podcast, but sorry, we do not. Sorry, it's just habit. But if we don't look at the child and get angry at the child, we oh, like as if we were a person outside of us a friend, a loved one, a child like really react in that way, find some softness. Now, the journey is not easy sometimes, and I get it. I was always the problem, like my whole life I was the problem. And so when we begin to just turn the Titanic around slowly, it begins to eventually go a little bit faster. Once there's safety, once there's connection into ourselves, it begins to happen on a rapid scale. I've done more healing in the past year than I think I've done in the past 12.

Speaker 1: 33:05

Yeah, Well, when you're in difficult situations, it actually you're forced to find different ways and you're forced to have a bit of introspection, and those are the times of the most healing and and aha moments, aren't they? Yeah.

Speaker 2: 33:25

And they are. And you know, and if you go back to manifesting and the idea of manifesting, I do want to manifest a partner who was supportive, who was loving, who is part, is, is separate but also together. Right, the idea of we have our own separate lives and we're two separate people but we come together as a unit in the partnership right, and that to me, is really important. But knowing that and even saying that and having my nervous system react to it is just going to give me information of where I need to do some healing before I can manifest that type of partner because of what it's feeling.

Speaker 2: 34:02

And so you know, and if you want to go to the easy one the money, the wealth, you know, when I think about it, I think, oh, there's a part of me that does not trust myself with money. There's a part of me that is still having the conversation my parents had with me and telling me I'm too immature, I'm too emotional with my money or that I don't know how to handle it. And that part needs to show that we do know how to handle it. We've done I mean we've done like three cross country moves and we've done it well and without you know, it's like so, it's like we do handle money very well, but that part is stuck, because it's part of my nervous system is stuck in dysregulation and so I need to work to regulate it.

Speaker 1: 34:39

Yeah, absolutely yes. It's all a big adventure, isn't it? And do you know what it's so interesting to have guests on the podcast? Because it reminds me, actually. You know you need to check in every now and again. You need to even if you feel that you know you've got everything that you want or you know you're doing really well at it. It's quite good to just keep checking in and doing that tweaking and and just having another look. And you've reminded me there. You know where I could see that I was mimicking my father. There's something there, so go in and have a look and I'll work on that and just tweak it a bit. And I find that fascinating.

Speaker 2: 35:24

Yeah, yeah, it's so important. It just really is important.

Speaker 1: 35:28

Yeah, so let's just talk about a couple of things. You have an abundance activation meditation that the listeners can go and listen to on your podcast, on your website, don't you? Yes?

Speaker 2: 35:42

Yes, I sent you a link.

Speaker 1: 35:44

Yes, and I'll put that link up under the episode.

Speaker 2: 35:50

And if you click on that link, you'll be taken to sign up for it. And yes, I'm asking for your email address to sign up to my newsletter, but it'll give you a lot of different ways to work with me. I am very like random with my messages. I don't necessarily I don't spam you. I'm not sending it to you every day Like some people do. I send it to you when there's something big on my heart and I know that the world, somebody, needs to hear it. I generally share and um, but I'm also, you know, I'm doing a lot of new things. I'm teaching a class. I have a. I have a class coming up that is teaching us how to connect to our bodies and become our body ally and and to reconnect with our bodies, to offer it and to have that connection, because that's part of you know what a lot of us cope with with chronic illnesses, anything we've experienced. We are so disconnected with our bodies that I think it's important to reconnect.

Speaker 1: 36:43

Yeah, that sounds interesting and you also have. I mentioned it before accidentally, but you also have a podcast, don't you? Freud's Angels, yes, yes.

Speaker 2: 36:52

Listen to. You know, I know it seems weird to have Freud and angels in the same sentence, but my podcast partner, vanessa, she is a lifelong friend of mine, she is a trained therapist and I bring she brings the kind of like the brainy stuff and I well, we both bring both but, and I bring kind of we're merging the idea of the science of our brain, like how our brain works, and merging it with all the things that we do in the healing aspect. The energy world, um, and how it it, it connects. And if you can take the idea of healing our minds and healing our you know, our bodies, our energy fields, the magic that's the magic that's when things begin to heal at a very fast, rapid rate. And so we came together when, during the quarantine, covid, because we were like how can we help the people in the world stuck at home, and it was just to create a podcast for people to have resources, and we just entered our sixth season, and so it's, it's a really great thing.

Speaker 1: 37:50

So Excellent, that sounds amazing. I've had a few people on actually recently who are really successfully like merging the scientific and the spiritual and and it does really work well together and it does to sort of merge them to get a holistic whole really.

Speaker 2: 38:10

Yes, it's, it's not just taking. You know people that I find, you know, when you talk about energy therapies, they're like, okay, woo stuff. I'm like, no, actually there's science behind this, and let me share with you that science. So, yeah, it works. And when you have the access to it, man, that's that's when healing just begins to just take off and you begin to live a life of your choosing and live a life that you enjoy, Even if you're still working on stuff. You get to live life in the way that you want to, despite the other stuff you're working on, and that's that's the beauty of it.

Speaker 1: 38:46

And let's face it, we it's perpetual working on things. Never run out of things to work on and they're just different levels.

Speaker 2: 38:56

I can't. I mean over here most healers talk about the onion right. We heal one layer and the next layer has something new for us, and maybe two layers down we're back at the other layer the same thing, but it's from a different perspective. It means we have what we need now to heal that part of it. And it's not that we've because, you know, a lot of people go, I've regressed, I did this and I'm like no, you just have the tools now to heal that part of it that you didn't have before that's wanting to come up to be healed so maybe you're looking at it at a slightly different angle.

Speaker 1: 39:27

It's all like sort of it's all healing, isn't it?

Speaker 2: 39:31

it is. It is and to be honest with you, you know this. I think this year most of all, like I've always been my own project, you know, forever in the healing part. But I don't know that I've entered into it with this much idea of compassion and like dude. We are going to have so much fun and it's going to be hard. Sometimes there's going to be a lot of tears, there's going to be a lot fun and it's going to be hard.

Speaker 2: 39:51

Sometimes there's going to be a lot of tears, there's going to be a lot of therapy, there's going to be a lot of things. But you know what? I'm here for it, I'm here to support myself through it. That's when things begin to feel really good.

Speaker 1: 40:00

Yeah, it does, and there's so many resources. So there's, you know, I've got so many episodes on my podcast now with you know listeners can listen to your podcast as well. There is always so much information out there and it's just a question of taking that step and starting with something and, just you know, getting momentum and, yeah, I can't sort of talk about it enough.

Speaker 2: 40:25

I know it's when you when you find relief in your suffering and your pain, it's like you want to share it with the world and you're like, ok, these are the things I know.

Speaker 2: 40:29

It's when you, when you find relief in your suffering and your pain, it's like you want to share it with the world and be like, okay, these are the things I learned, I want to share it with you in case this helps you.

Speaker 2: 40:38

That's that's the whole idea of you know, us people that are chosen kind of to be healers is that we've experienced life in a certain way and so we've found the things we've. We've attracted the healing for it because we're open to it and because we have that wisdom now and connection to the healing of that then we have can help the people that suffer the same thing. You know I can't tell you how many times that people have come to me and been like, oh, I'm suffering with this and I'm like, didn't I just work through that, like six months ago? And it's like, oh, I'm suffering with this and I'm like, didn't I just work through that, like six months ago? And it's like, yeah, now you have the wisdom for these people. That's, that's the whole point. And you have the connection to the vibration of the frequency that will heal those people because you have done it for yourself. That's the whole kind of like let's heal the world moment.

Speaker 1: 41:26

Yeah, absolutely Well. Thank you so much for coming on. It's been a real pleasure to talk to you thank you for having me no, it's lovely and I will put all your details up under the episode. So if you really enjoyed listening to Grace and I have a chat, check those details out and you can. There's lots of episodes as well on the podcast and you can always subscribe. And thank you, grace, for coming on. Thank you Much appreciated and I will speak to you all soon.