How Past Lives And Subconscious Prompts Can Shift Pain, Patterns, And Possibility with Peter McLaughlin

What if the story your body is telling began before you were born? We sit down with life coach and hypnotherapist Peter McLaughlin to trace a remarkable arc from a double diagnosis at forty-one to a two-decade practice helping people heal through intuition, regression, and the mind–body connection. Peter explains how emotions become biology, why epigenetic switches tilt under stress or calm, and how the right prompt can guide the subconscious straight to the moment a pattern began—whether in this life or another.

Across the conversation, we ground big ideas in human moments: the jaw that grinds in sleep without permission, the spine a chiropractor aligns only for stored fear to pull it back, the client who could not board a plane until a wartime memory surfaced and released. We talk about free, guided hypnosis resources that make this work accessible, from inner child repair to past-life journeys, and why learning the felt-sense of safety reorients the nervous system more effectively than willpower ever could. Peter shares his daily practice of meeting spirit guides, the simple power of routine, walking in nature, yoga, and real sunlight for circadian and emotional health.

We also widen the frame. Some realities don’t fit the five-sense box, yet they steer our lives: thoughts that can’t be weighed, observation changing outcomes, energy that moves before words. Rather than argue the metaphysics, we ask what helps. If conflict fuels growth, then challenges can be curriculum, not punishment. Regression can retrieve strengths as well as clear wounds; remembering a lifetime of healthy love trains you to recognise it now. The theme is agency through curiosity—ask better questions, follow what arises, and let humility keep the door open to what works.

Listen to learn how to use intuitive prompts, hypnosis, and daily rituals to unwind long-held pain, shift stubborn habits, and reclaim patterns that serve you. If this conversation sparked a new question or gave you a practical next step, subscribe, leave a review, and share it with someone ready to change the story their body is telling.

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Transcript

SPEAKER_01 2:30

So, welcome everybody to another edition of Barm to the Soul. And today we have a new guest, and his name is Peter McLaughlin. So, welcome Peter. Thank you for supporting the podcast.

SPEAKER_00 2:41

Oh, you're welcome, and thank you for inviting me. I'm glad to be here.

SPEAKER_01 2:44

It's a pleasure to meet you. And Peter is a life coach and a hypnotherapist. So, how did you get started in this field? Because I know you've been doing it for about 19 years, 19, 20 years now.

SPEAKER_00 2:57

Yep. Yep. This is my 20th year. And I got started as the result of a simultaneous diagnosis on the same day of Lyme disease and a rare form of leukemia when I was 41 years old. I was volunteering to be a firefighter in the town I lived in at the time in Connecticut in the US. And that just sent me on an Odyssey that was very much like Homer's Iliad and the Odyssey with all of these curves and up and down and winding around and all of these different emotions. And it finally led me over the course of two to three years to the power that the mind has in controlling the body. And the the you know, the allopathic physicians, the hematologists and oncologists said, we don't know what causes the leukemia, we don't know how to cure it. And I thought, I'm gonna have to go down an unconventional path. I think my orientation towards unconventional paths was already there, but that really kind of cemented the idea that I'm gonna have to do something probably unusual.

SPEAKER_02 3:59

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 4:00

And when I put those pieces together along with some other interesting things that seemed like they happened in isolation, but really looking back, they all felt like they came together in this magical way. I decided I needed to get that training.

SPEAKER_01 4:15

So how do you because accessing the subconscious is like I always think it's like going into a filing cabinet and just picking out the file that you need. So the issue that you want to have a look at. And there's so much information in there. So how did you start accessing your subconscious in order to help yourself?

SPEAKER_00 4:37

I would say that that the most that the easiest way to explain that is through the word intuition. That the word most people would understand would be intuition. And I suppose in this time of artificial intelligence, we're all beginning to understand how you could just give a couple of prompts, and then something coherent can come out of that without having to dig through everything. I think that's a conscious mind construct, that the conscious mind is so small relative to the to the subconscious mind that it seems like an impossible task. But the subconscious mind knows exactly where a particular trauma resides in space and time and how it affects you in the present moment. And it can take you right there if you know how to ask, if you know how to give the prompt, I suppose.

Intuition As A Subconscious Prompt

SPEAKER_01 5:28

Yeah. And and emotional traumas and can manifest in uh physical issues, can't they? I mean, it's it's so intertwined that you really can't separate them.

SPEAKER_00 5:42

Exactly. I mean, it's it's all it's an established fact that the the mind and the body are inextricably linked. I think trying to find an allopathic physician that actually practices that way is probably extremely difficult. But the concept that the mind and body are intricately connected with each other, intimately connected with each other, is is as I say, well established.

SPEAKER_02 6:05

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 6:06

And they're the field of epigenetics and uh the the scientist Bruce Lipton, if you've ever heard of him, explain how, for example, you can change your genetic expression, meaning your gene, either for a good thing or a bad thing, has almost like a light switch, on off, upregulated or downregulated. And that if you hold stressful, painful, difficult emotions long enough, it actually begins to upregulate the deleterious genes. And then the same is true on the other side. If you hold for long enough emotions of peace and calm and joy, the the positive genes will become upregulated and the negative ones will downregulate. So this is already a scientifically established fact. It's just we're new, I suppose, as a culture, as a society, in practicing that way.

SPEAKER_01 7:01

Yeah. And do you find that more and more people are now looking for that alternative? Because I've met uh, you know, I've had friends myself that just think there's got to be something else that we can do. So let's research it, let's find a different route.

Mind–Body Links And Epigenetics

SPEAKER_00 7:19

Yeah, I I I would say yes for a variety of reasons. One is that our ability to communicate with each other, like you and I are doing right now, is unprecedented in my lifetime. Yeah, I'm gonna be 64 this month. And when I went to college, we didn't even have laptops, we didn't have phones. We were typing on typewriters. And when I made a mistake typing up a paper, I had to get this liquid out, this liquid correction stuff, and paint over the mistake, wait for it to dry and then line it up and hit the L instead of the I or something. Yeah. So yeah, our ability to communicate is so much greater, and it's it's accelerating the speed at which you know a person over here with an idea or a person over here that has solved a problem, no matter what the problem is, really, can get that information to everyone else. So I think that's one reason. I think another reason is that in the last five years, six years, the trust in the medical system has plummeted. The research I've seen, the studies I've seen suggest that it's gone from you know, doctors, conventional allopathic doctors, having a 70% approval rating, and now it's at 40%, at least in the US. That's a huge difference. Yes, it is gigantic. And then the other thing is just almost like that concept of the end of the road. I get a lot of people who've who've tried all of the conventional approaches. Nothing is working, nothing is working. And and almost out of a sense, I don't know if desperation is the right word, or I'm now ready to try something that I was not ready to try two years ago or 20 years ago, that that's all coming to the fore at the moment. You know, it's almost like the old, the old paradigm in many ways seems to be breaking down across the board.

SPEAKER_01 9:07

Yes, and I always think that energy healing, which is my forte, is sort of the missing piece of the puzzle to holistic health. You know, nobody says to you what's going on in your energy field.

SPEAKER_02 9:22

Yes, that's true.

SPEAKER_01 9:24

You know, so and I think that's that's the bit that's missing really, and why people don't have success when they miss that out, if you see what I mean.

SPEAKER_00 9:34

So I do. I was just talking to my wife this morning about how I've I've heard many chiropractors over the year talk about how they can put they can put your bone back into into alignment where it's supposed to be by using force, physical force. And then what they've said to me is that the the the patient's emotions will pull it back out again. Wow. Yeah. And so our our approach has been extremely oriented towards the physical, the five sense reality. Things like the energy field and whether they're vibrating at a high or a low frequency is not something that we can see with our what most people can see with their five physical senses. And so it it has been ignored in the past. But again, I think people are more open to that sort of thing because I think the old paradigm is breaking down and the frustration that people feel, like in a in what I would term a disease management system rather than a health care system or a disease prevention system, it's really a management system, yeah, you know, sort of managing a downward decline. The people are saying, Oh, there's got to be a better way. There has to be.

Rising Skepticism And New Paths

SPEAKER_01 10:43

And I've had so many um talks about this, but also experience that, you know, like you were saying, the emotion pulls the bone out of sink again. And we hold our emotions in our bodies, and that can cause pain. Yes, that can cause this pain that people can't find a cause for. Um, like shock, for instance. I went to an intuitive healer about my hip, and she removed shock from when I was two years old as a toddler. And she began to talk about it, and it just came that memory came flooding back into my mind. I knew exactly what she was talking about. Um so just that shock from that of seeing my mother upset had feeling 60 odd years later sitting in my head. So that's I think something that sometimes people don't understand about emotions and pain.

SPEAKER_00 12:40

Yeah, it's it's as if they are separate and distinct, that they that they occupy their own disconnected realm in a sense. Yes. And and it's so much of that is just through the way we've all been inculcated into the society, the way we've been raised, the way we've been treated, what what people take seriously, what they laugh at, you know, all of that stuff, where we are a product of that. And because what you're talking about is so natural to us, it's much easier and quicker for someone to grasp onto these ideas because they can relate it back to their own experiences. Yeah. We all know that when we are angry or we are frightened, that we are holding tension. Every one of us knows this.

SPEAKER_02 13:28

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 13:29

People will go to the dentist, and the dentist will say, Wow, you're you're grinding your teeth at night. A person doesn't go to bed and think, I want to grind my teeth tonight. And even if they didn't, they wouldn't be able to because their conscious mind is unconscious. And yet something's going on in their psyche to create this grinding motion. And we all know from how we feel in our waking times that that's what happens to our body when we when we are stressed, frightened, worried, angry. Yes.

SPEAKER_01 13:59

Um so I was looking at your because you have um blue sky hypnosis channel, don't you? And um, I was looking at you have a lot of videos up there. And it really it's it's a great way for people to sort of grasp the concepts of hypnosis. There's a lot of information that they it's it's is that your aim to help people really um see how simple it can be, that it's not a frightening process, it's not uh, you know, um uncomfortable.

SPEAKER_00 14:33

Well, it could be uncomfortable, I suppose, but well, yeah, and and so much of what's on there is is really like a virtual guided session.

SPEAKER_02 14:44

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 14:45

It's obviously not guided to the individual, it's guided, it has to be built or created for a general audience. Yeah, but there are tracks on there where people have gone into their own past lifetimes.

SPEAKER_01 14:58

Yes.

SPEAKER_00 14:59

You know, there are tracks on there where people have lost significant amounts of weight, in many cases while they were sleeping. Yes. Where people have been able to heal an inner child and and a host of other things. So it's my attempt to put something in the world that doesn't cost anything, that can introduce people to this, to this kind of work. Um, if they if they don't have the money to be able to afford something, they can at least use these tracks to try to solve a particular issue that they have with the skills with the skills that I possess. So it's it's really a remarkable platform for us to communicate with each other and to share information and to help each other.

Energy, Emotion, And Physical Pain

SPEAKER_01 15:44

Yeah, it makes it really accessible to people, which is what I like. You know, they don't understand it, they can, you know, they can see it's not frightening or the rest of it. So but you also do um do you do past life regression or you Yes. Yes, my favorite past life aggression. I think it is um just so effective in getting to the root cause of um things. Because sometimes we bring that into this lifetime, don't we? That fear or failure is not from an experience in this lifetime, it's rather and it's confounding to people who are not aware of past lifetimes or they just reject them out of hand.

SPEAKER_00 16:35

Because if the root cause resides in a past life and you're unwilling to look at that, then you're gonna be managing whatever the symptoms are, maybe for the rest of your life, unless those symptoms happen to shift energetically into some different symptoms, but the root cause is still the same.

SPEAKER_01 16:50

Yeah. And when you think about how many past lives you can have, the amount of information there that we can access and the amount of information that could cause issues in the current life is huge, really, isn't it? When you start thinking about it like that.

SPEAKER_00 17:10

Yep, it could be. It could be. And I think whether you're looking at present life or past life, patterns are really important to discern.

SPEAKER_02 17:22

Yes.

SPEAKER_00 17:24

Because once something has established itself as a pattern, I think we could logically conclude that it's going to keep being a pattern, it's going to keep recurring until you get to the root of it and you resolve the root. And as you say, the root could be earlier in this present life, it could be in a past lifetime. To the subconscious mind, there really is no distinction. None. The subconscious mind has no concept of time, which happens to mirror the quantum reality. The quantum physicists tell us there is no time, it's just an illusion created by a planet rotating on its own axis and then orbiting the sun.

SPEAKER_01 17:59

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 17:59

But the nature of the universe, we're we are told, is timeless. There is no time, which is I find so fascinating that our subconscious mind mirrors that reality.

SPEAKER_01 18:08

Yes.

SPEAKER_00 18:09

And no one would say, Oh, if that happened to you when you were two years old, it shouldn't be bothering you now. I think most people would not say that anymore. There might be some. Um, and I say, well, why is it any different if it happened in a past lifetime? Because to your subconscious mind, it's all it's all just one big uh stew.

SPEAKER_01 18:28

Yeah, yes. And I always say, whether it's a real life or whether it's your subconscious mind making up a scenario so you could understand something, it doesn't really matter. I mean, I believe it's a past life, but if you don't want to believe that, you know, you can see it as your subconscious just helping you to understand something.

SPEAKER_00 18:49

That's right. And there are some, I mean, I don't want to go too far afield, but there are some people who believe that even this life that we identify with our five senses and everything, that that it is its own illusion. Yes, yes, and that it's created this way because it makes it easier. I was reading this uh this book once, and they were talking about how two really uh experienced chess players could play an entire game of chess without the board and without the pieces. They hold it all in their mind. And every piece and every square on the board has a nomenclature. And I don't know exactly the nomenclature, but they would say something like you know, pawn pawn to uh to to this next couple squares. And the person just imagines in their mind how that pawn is moving there, and they kind of hold it there. The board and the pieces make the game easier to play because you don't have to keep track of everything in your mind. Yeah, you have to remember to right. And this life, maybe for us as spirits, is is a more effective way for us to learn powerful spiritual lessons by having a physical experience.

unknown 20:08

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 20:09

Physical experience of pain, the physical experience of love, the physical experience of aging, the physical experience of having a loved one pass away, or us facing our own mortality. All of these things. Like it's it's really a remarkable drama that that we are we are traversing. And it's been thought of this way forever. Shakespeare wrote all the world's a stage, all the men and women are merely players. Each one has their exit and and entrance, you know. And it's true, called called his theater the globe. Yes. Yes, yeah. I like I like to think of things that way because I feel like anything that puts something in a greater context helps the smaller things to make more sense.

Guided Hypnosis And Free Resources

SPEAKER_01 20:57

Yeah. Absolutely. That's a really good analogy, actually. And and that adds to you don't need to remember it because you know you can look at it and you're seeing it. So you're not needing to hold everything in your head. So is your belief that you we come into these incarnations to learn lessons?

SPEAKER_00 21:17

Yes.

SPEAKER_01 21:18

Work work out things.

SPEAKER_00 21:21

Yeah. Yeah, and karma is is a big piece of it all. Yeah, sure. And I do think that at some point we decide as a spirit that we don't want to be on the wheel of karma anymore. And I think that there's humility involved in that. Yeah, you know, when it when you think about a rebellious teenager, a rebellious teenager is basically a person of growing and burgeoning maturity and ability who kind of decides that his parents are idiots, and he can do it better. And he goes out on his own, he goes into the world full of confidence and realizes hey, I have some wins and I got some losses. I do some things really well and I make some mistakes. I fall down and I hurt myself. I it you know what I mean? And in that process, a kind of humility is engendered. And then he has a different relationship toward his parents at that point. And I think it's the same with us. I think as these powerful eternal spirits, we basically turned away from God at some point because we thought we could do it better and we and we wanted to have this experience. And so we come here because we have free will and we fall down and scrape our knee and we win an award, and then we get a divorce, and somebody cheats on us, and then we have a child, and then then we mess that up in some way. And at some point, I think, even through the process of reincarnation, thinking, oh, I'm gonna do it better the next time, I'm gonna do it better the next time. I'm I I learned this time I'm gonna do it better. At some point, I think we we we decide, you know what? I don't have to keep coming and redoing it because I don't have to be great, I don't have to be the best. No, you know, I can I can go back home. It's okay for me to go back home. That's that's what that's my personal view.

SPEAKER_01 23:22

Yeah, no, I very much agree. And but I do believe that we're not forced to incarnate. I do believe it's our it's our choice. And actually, when we go back, we're not judged, we judge ourselves, we we look at what what we've achieved, what we did wrong, etc. There's no like um judgment or criticism from anybody else. I've also found that working with clients, and what I find also really interesting is that we can go into lives and sort of remember skills and and you know things we did well in those lifetimes and connect to that energy. And that can be really empowering and positive for the client.

Past Lives, Roots Of Recurring Patterns

SPEAKER_00 24:06

Absolutely, for sure. And and one of the areas that I think of is let's say a person has had a string of difficult relationships, you know, they've all kind of flamed out, and the person is feeling like you know, I keep picking the same person over and over again, and it never works out, and I it always ends in heartbreak. Yeah. Well, regressing that client to a lifetime where they had a really stable, loving, kind relationship is super valuable because then they can remember what it feels like. Yeah. And they can compare that to how they have felt in the past. And so they're better able, better equipped in the future to know what that how to match that feeling.

SPEAKER_02 25:02

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 25:04

Rather than follow the old pattern, yeah, which kept producing the same results.

SPEAKER_01 25:10

Yeah. There's a I don't know if you've seen it on social media, but there's um a nine year old boy called Max Alexander. He comes up on my feed all the time and he he says he's a reincarnation of. Gucci and he is um uh fashion designer and he's just had a fashion show in Paris Fashion Week, and he's only none. And his creations are amazing, you need to have a look. And I it just every time I see him, like because he just says, Oh no, I am Gucci, that's who I am.

SPEAKER_00 25:45

And what's his last name, Max? What?

SPEAKER_01 25:47

Alexander and his designs are amazing. I mean, for even more so for a nine-year-old. But when I see him, I think that's fascinating that he has that remembrance, and obviously he has brought that skill with him. He shows his himself he started when he was four, I think. And and so, you know, I think that's that's obviously a remembrance. Yes, for sure. And that sort of highlights what we're talking about that you can connect to these lives and um bring, you know, remember those skills that you have. That knowledge.

SPEAKER_00 26:27

Yes.

SPEAKER_01 26:28

And it would be phenomenal if we could remember the knowledge from all of our past lives, it would be quite extraordinary.

SPEAKER_00 26:35

It it would. And I and I do I do think that as a matter of course, we actually do bring much of what we have learned in other lifetimes. I I think most parents of of in families with multiple children would tell you that each child from the get-go has their significant differences from the others. Yeah. Even though they share the same genetic makeup, even though they're eating the same food and breathing the same air and drinking the same water, this one is really interested in this, this one has a fear of that, this one's good at this, this one's good at that. You know, from the beginning. So my feeling is that that's because they're bringing everything with them that perhaps has been distilled in some way.

SPEAKER_01 27:28

Yes. But they're drawn to areas that they've been in before, etc.

SPEAKER_00 27:34

There's a there is some sort of connection and remembrance, which is and I think every every human being has their own area of of genius. It's probably an area that they've been drawn to, that they've participated in in other lifetimes, probably multiple lifetimes.

SPEAKER_01 27:50

Yes, yes. What we would call threads running through their soul energy, you know, repeating over and over again. Fascinating. I do have to say, I find you know, working with the subconscious and especially past life regression, and I also do future life progression, I find it all absolutely fascinating.

SPEAKER_00 28:15

It is.

SPEAKER_01 28:16

We live our lives in quite a small space, really.

SPEAKER_02 28:20

We do.

SPEAKER_01 28:21

And then when we s when we start talking about things like this, I think you know, you begin to think there's so much out there that we have we don't fully understand either. You know, the the sort of walls of our little life fall down and it becomes so much more expansive. So I think that's why I just find it so fascinating and and so beneficial to all the clients. I don't think I've had a past-like progression client when they haven't come back to me and said that was amazing because this has happened or this has shifted, or I think it's a very affected.

SPEAKER_00 29:00

I agree. I I that's that's my experience with it as well, for sure. Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 29:06

Brilliant. So um so what's your most interesting experience in past life? Or you know, have you ever met anybody who was famous once? Everybody wants to be famous, but we always taught you never have anybody who regresses to be famous. But have you ever had that or some experience where you've thought, wow. Okay.

SPEAKER_00 29:32

Well, well yes, to an extent. So I regressed a woman once who felt that she was present at the crucifixion of Jesus, that she was in the crowd watching him being crucified. And the look on her face while she was going through this was was moving in and of itself. It looked from the outside like she was witnessing this. So that kind of thing, I mean, it's mostly ordinary people in extraordinary circumstances. Yeah. Because it's they're the the psyche's gonna want to go back to something that is unprocessed that represents a kind of obstacle or block to their to their present life, yes, through, through fear. Because this thing hasn't been fully digested.

SPEAKER_01 30:34

Yeah.

Karma, Choice, And Soul Threads

SPEAKER_00 30:35

So you know, people being executed, people dying in a war, um, dying in childbirth, somebody cheating on them, being murdered, committing suicide, um, being being betrayed, stealing money, these kinds of things. That the very lots of very normal, everyday kind of human experiences that people that people will go to that that created some kind of an imprint on them because of something that happened. And it's our job, I see it, as to help them link up what's been holding them back in their present life, present, present life patterns, and then to heal whatever wound was created in the past lifetime, so that's no longer exerting its negative influence over their present life.

SPEAKER_01 31:29

Yeah. So they can then move through life a little differently, making different decisions.

SPEAKER_00 31:34

Yeah. Exactly. So I I I find the the things that we know just from reading history that the people in their millions have experienced. And and if I suppose if you got to know anybody really well, you would you would find fascinating aspects of their lives.

SPEAKER_02 31:55

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 31:56

You know, if you were with them when their child was born, if you were with them when, you know, there was a there was a tragedy in the family, for example, um, or you know, as I say, that they were that they were betrayed or that they were that they were frightened about something. That everybody's life is actually really interesting if you look at it closely enough.

SPEAKER_01 32:16

Yeah, it is. It is the normal sort of horror.

SPEAKER_00 32:21

Well, yeah, I mean, and and how many soldiers have died in every war that's occurred in this on this planet? Yeah. That we never heard about. I mean, there was there was one client that that um had this intense fear of being in in groups of people. Like he couldn't get on a plane, he couldn't get on a train, he had to drive everywhere. So his family would fly, you know, a a thousand miles or something, and he'd drive because he couldn't get on the plane and he couldn't go into a restaurant, and all of these things were really holding him back. And when we did past life regression with him, he went to being a sailor aboard a US Navy warship in World War II. Wow, and he was below decks when the plane, when the when the ship was struck by uh by bombs or something, or kamikaze or whatever, and the ship started going down pretty quickly, and he couldn't get out of his out of his bunk room, and the water was rising, and the last thing he saw before the water rose up over his head and he died was a a picture of his a black and white picture of his family. And that's not an incident that would ever be published in a in a in a book, you know, a historical book or anything, but you could see how a moment like that could really steer into someone's consciousness and set up the energy of it's not safe to be in an enclosed space. It's not safe maybe to be around water. Yeah. And then if that doesn't get emotionally digested, if that's not healed, then you would just bring that energy with you into the next lifetime, and then you would think you were crazy because it doesn't make any sense to you why you would be afraid of these things.

SPEAKER_01 34:06

Yes, exactly. Yeah, interesting, really interesting. So um something that I ask all the guests who come on the podcast, what's one thing that you do every day that sort of keeps you balanced and centered and um, you know, keeps you sane in this busy world?

Famous Lives, Ordinary Wounds

SPEAKER_00 34:29

Yeah, it's it's I'd like to say I do it every day. It's my intention to do it every day, but do I miss a day here and there? Yeah, I do sometimes. It's meeting with my spirit guides in you might call it meditation. I I I feel like it's almost like a self-guided hypnosis where where I meet with a basically like a council of guides that I feel really comfortable with, and and I take myself into a deep trance and I fill myself with the light of God, cleanse myself, fill myself with that light, and then I can talk to them. I also have dogs there too, I should say. One one dog that's deceased, and then the the dog that I still have in physical form, and I and I and I connect with them and I pat them. And a lot of times they make me laugh because they just do funny things. They make the guides laugh. And then I I can ask them, I can I can sometimes just say, you know, what what do you want me to know? And sometimes they'll just say, You're doing good work, keep going. Sometimes they'll say, You're taking yourself too seriously. Sometimes they'll reveal something extremely profound. Sometimes I have a question for them and I'll ask them a question, and they will most often answer my question. Sometimes the question is just answer right in my mind, like with words, and sometimes they'll show me something. Um, and I think that that's the most you know, routinely balancing thing that I can do for myself is that when I when I can add in yoga, it's even better. Yeah, my wife and I try to go to bed at roughly the same time every night. We wake up at roughly the same time. We have the same routine in the morning that involves walking our dog in nature, yeah. And all these things signal to the to the deeper part of our being, you're safe because you're doing something that's routine. We know what to expect next.

SPEAKER_02 36:29

Yes, yeah, you know.

SPEAKER_00 36:31

I think being in the sun, for me, being in the sun is incredibly healthy and healing. And so I love I love to do that. I love to be in the sun for a little while.

SPEAKER_01 36:42

But you live in in part of the world that has a lot of sun.

SPEAKER_00 36:46

I do, I do, and I didn't always.

SPEAKER_01 36:48

So this is that's not always easy, right?

SPEAKER_00 36:52

No, that's true, it's true. And you know, more and more research comes out about how beneficial it is for us on so many levels to get natural sunlight in our eyes, and and at a time when and on our skin, and at a time when we are spending so much time with with devices, yes, absolutely aberrant forms of of light, it seems like it's even more important. I mean, even these glasses are blue-blocking glasses, because of what I've read about you know how you want to try to minimize the blue light going into your eyes.

SPEAKER_01 37:26

Yeah, yeah. But being being out in nature, being around trees, all of that is so beneficial, isn't it?

SPEAKER_00 37:34

It really is.

SPEAKER_01 37:35

That you talk to your guides, that's lovely. That's that's a good place to go.

SPEAKER_00 37:41

Yeah, and to me, there's there are these different versions of reality. So, one version, the version that we are taught, is a very, very small box. Yes, and that's a five cents reality. And even within that concept, there are things that if you step outside and look at it from a different angle, it looks insane, like money. Yeah, there's nothing real about money. That's just we all agree in our imagination that these electronic digits in a bank account represent something of value that people will trade things things that really do have value for, or that the paper currency has no intrinsic value, but we all decide that it's like a collective agreement. Yeah. That we take for granted that this has value.

SPEAKER_01 38:36

And it gets devalued at times of war or nothing, and then it's yeah, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 38:43

Yeah, they call they call it the bursting of the bubble when this when this idea, when this collective agreement just suddenly explodes and goes away, like tulips in the 1700s when they had all this value and then they go away, or yeah, when the the Weimar Republic in Germany between World War I and World War II, when the currency just collapsed overnight because it never really had any real value. But we call that part of our reality. Yeah, and I think that there is a reality outside of the of the five cents reality, which would be which would be the mind-body connection. You can't see it, but we know it's real. Yeah. The the internet signals flying around the room that you can't taste, or you can't, you know, you can't hear them without a device to interpret it for you. We know that's real. But then there's a reality beyond that, kind of like Plato's cave of spiritual entities, you know, that are that are in energetic form that our system isn't isn't designed to access. We're not on the right frequency. But when you go inside, you can access these things.

SPEAKER_02 39:51

Yes.

SPEAKER_00 39:53

So that's I think for me that's an important distinction to remember is that we we are really operating in a very small box all the time. And when people say, Well, that's not real. This like, well, it's not real inside this little box, it's real outside that little box.

SPEAKER_01 40:10

Absolutely. And you know, you describing that makes me think of the science world and trying to get, you know, this phenomena or whatever they want to call it to fit in that box, and it doesn't, so therefore it doesn't exist. But actually, it doesn't need to go in that box, it's it's somewhere else, right?

SPEAKER_00 40:33

That's a really good point. And and sometimes they'll come up with something that they agree with, but they still don't allow it into the box, and so they just kind of ignore it, it sits off to the side, yeah. So epigenetics currently is sitting off to the side, even though they've known about it for more than two decades.

SPEAKER_02 40:51

Yeah.

Daily Practices And Spirit Guides

SPEAKER_00 40:52

And the concept of the uncertainty principle whereby a particle behaves differently if it's observed than if it's not observed. Yeah, that's just sitting off to the side over here.

SPEAKER_01 41:03

Because it won't fit. It doesn't fit. No, exactly. Um and science, you know, modern science, they can't prove that we have thoughts. But we all know we have thoughts. I mean, that's because they're energetic. So yeah, yeah, there's a bit of work to do.

SPEAKER_00 41:23

Well, that's that's why we're here. I'm I'm convinced that that the problems that we have on this planet in our human lives are are not really bugs, they're probably features. Uh that that when you go to when you pay money to stream a movie or go see a movie or a play or read a novel, it always has conflict. Yeah. If it didn't have conflict, you wouldn't pay anything to see it. No, no, maybe not. This is what my guides told me one day, because one day I was very upset about something. This is like 10 years ago, and I said, I said, why is this wor this earth such, you know, so filled with strife? I used much more colorful language. And the immediate answer they gave me was what I'm saying now. When you go see a movie, what are you what kind of movie are you seeing? You're seeing a movie with conflict, you're paying to see it, you're waiting in line to see it. You chose to come here. Don't tell us that you're upset about all this. This is part of what you signed up for. Yeah. And I don't think that that means that we're supposed to just sit back while you know somebody robs our house or attacks our neighbor or something. But it it also is comforting in a sense that that maybe we did sign up for this drama and this conflict, because frankly, that's when you learn the most. You don't learn the most when everything is perfect. I learned more in my short journey from a diagnosis of leukemia than if everything had just been fine.

SPEAKER_01 42:59

Yeah. When you're challenged, you learn when you're you have a health crisis or a trauma, you learn. And and a lot of people, a lot of guests I've met, they've gone into things, that's been their turning point. They've had a massive trauma, a massive massive challenge, you know, health has deteriorated, near-death experience, whatever it is, and then and then they've looked for something else. Or they've had an experience and they've thought, I can't explain that. So hold on, what's going on?

SPEAKER_00 43:33

Sort of thing. And it makes sense to me that all of this would relate back to our fiction. That we want to see and read and witness stories of people, the protagonist, whom psychologically we we put ourselves as the viewer in their shoes. Yes. How did they do it? How did they deal with that problem? How did they navigate their way through it? Yeah, how did they come out the other side? From time immemorial. This has been the case.

SPEAKER_02 44:08

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 44:08

We've been fascinated by you know watching stories of people essentially navigating the hero's journey. Joseph Campbell's The Hero's Journey.

SPEAKER_01 44:19

Yeah. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 44:22

Because we are. That's what we're doing.

SPEAKER_01 44:24

Yeah. And in fact, I I set off on my path because I had a very not because I had a challenge or a trauma, actually. I just had an experience. It wasn't, it was just one afternoon. It wasn't like a a major thing. But um I saw the Reiki energy of the thing coming in, but it was like it was individual spirits. The whole energy was made up of people. But they were energetic.

SPEAKER_00 44:58

And were these were these energetic people healers?

SPEAKER_01 45:02

I have no idea. They just were whizzing around the room to the point that I sort of flinched physically because I I they were looking at me and coming, but the whole of the energy that was streaming in, it was made up of individual spirits. And I I wasn't frightened. I think it could have really frightened me, but I wasn't frightened. I just thought, well, how have I got to this age and never seen that and and you know realized that was a thing? What is it? What's it made of? Where is it coming from? And that set set me off on my journey. So I suppose I was quite lucky I didn't have a trauma or anything like that.

SPEAKER_00 45:41

Yeah, that's that's really cool. Yeah. Do you think that that's what people say in the Middle Ages in England would have meant when they said fairies?

Beyond The Five Senses

SPEAKER_01 45:58

They didn't think it looked like that, but it made me think it made me begin to think, is the this all-knowing presence that we talk about is it made up of soul energy? And that's why it's all knowing presence. You know, is is there some way that spirit is actually made up of souls? That's that's how I that's how it came to me. They didn't look like they looked human, but they just looked um energetic and whizzing around the room in not a human-like way, but um they didn't look like they were aliens or fairies or you know, anything like that. And it just made me begin to question you know, where's it coming from? What is it? And then I began to think about mediums, is that who they're tapping into? Are mediums talking to these spirits that make up the energy around us?

SPEAKER_02 47:10

Sure.

SPEAKER_00 47:11

Yeah, it's that's that's really cool. I'm glad you shared that.

SPEAKER_01 47:16

But when something like that happens, it does open your whole you know you've seen it, so hold on a second. What is it? Why doesn't everybody see it? You know, and all those sort of questions. And that's that starts you off on learning, doesn't it? Oh, drinking up all that energy, that knowledge. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 47:40

One of my favorite lines from Shakespeare is from Hamlet, where Hamlet says to Horatio, there is more in heaven and earth, Horatio, than is dreamt of in your philosophy.

SPEAKER_02 47:52

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 47:52

And that was 450 years ago that those lines were written. And it's still true. There's so we know so little.

SPEAKER_01 48:02

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 48:02

And we pretend that we know v virtually everything.

SPEAKER_01 48:07

Yeah. Yeah. And a lot of people think they know everything and haven't even scratched the surface, really.

SPEAKER_00 48:14

Exactly. Yeah. Yeah. So it's I it it's humbling, and I think that's good. And it's a reminder to keep one's mind open.

SPEAKER_01 48:25

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 48:26

And not just reflexively shut things down.

SPEAKER_01 48:30

Yeah, absolutely. And just to learn as much as possible, I think. I think that's what we're here to do. Well, thank you. Fascinating.

SPEAKER_00 48:40

You're welcome.

SPEAKER_01 48:41

Went off on all sorts of tangents, but that's always interesting.

SPEAKER_00 48:46

Yeah. Thanks for inviting me.

SPEAKER_01 48:47

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