Tarot Charms And Coaching For Self Trust with Dina Berrin

Your intuition isn’t broken, it’s just been talked over. I’m joined by intuitive guide, storyteller, and certified co-active life coach Dina Barron to get honest about why so many of us second-guess ourselves, override our gut, and end up exhausted from performing a version of life that looks “right” but feels wrong.

We dig into sacred tools like tarot, numerology, and charm readings, not as fortune-telling shortcuts, but as mirrors that reflect what we already know. Dina shares how she reads for patterns such as repeating numbers, colour symbolism, and the details your attention keeps landing on, then turns that insight into grounded self-development. We also explore the difference between using spiritual tools for healing versus using them as a crutch, plus how coaching questions can help you rewrite old scripts like “I’m a bad decision maker”.

Dina also walks us through simple daily practices that keep her centred, including a short meditation using the phrase “just this”, EFT tapping for emotional regulation, and a quick night-time review of the card or charm she pulled that morning. We also chat about her book, The Way Within: Igniting Your Intuition with Sacred Tools, designed for beginners who want practical rituals, healthier boundaries, and more self-trust. Dina has kindly offered Balm To The Soul listeners 15% off a Clarity and Energy Alignment session, with details shared below.

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Transcript

Welcome And Meet Dina Barron

SPEAKER_00 2:30

So welcome everybody to another edition of Darm to the Soul. I'm your host, Natasha Joy Price, and I'm a solicitor, I'm an energy healer, I'm an author, and of course, I'm a podcaster. And today we have a lovely new guest, and her name is Dina Barron. So welcome, Dina. Thank you so much for supporting the podcast.

SPEAKER_01 2:52

Thank you so much for having me here.

Sacred Tools And Ancient Knowledge

SPEAKER_00 2:53

I'm thrilled to be here. Oh, it's a pleasure. So uh Dina, Dina is an intuitive guide, storyteller, and certified co-active life coach, and she's also the author of The Way Within: Igniting Your Intuition with Sacred Tools, which is a practical and heart-pop guide to using symbolic tools to better understand yourself and your life path. So the tools you use, Dina, are tarot, numerology, astrology, palm readings. Is that right?

SPEAKER_01 3:28

Yeah, I do palm readings. I work with crystals. I I I am I feel as though I like entered the candy store through the world of astrology. My grandmother taught me astrology at a very young age, around eight years old. And um, and then uh I had a whole, you know, I went to uh high school, I went to college, and then when I came back to New York City, I found a class on intro to tarot. And so it started with astrology when I was very young, and then I was reintroduced through the tarot because all of the tarot cards have astrological associations, and then you know, the cards have numbers, so there's your numerology, and um, then there's the colors, and then there's the symbols, and that's kind of led me to doing charm work, and um, and then I started speaking at conferences that taught palmistry, and I was like, I gotta take your class. So I am a forever student. I love to learn, I love to teach, I love to just get in the mix and talk about it, and I feel that um I can always learn. Like, even though I've been doing this for pretty much my whole life, I am open to learning, I'm open to hearing new perspectives and just finding new ways to work. Yeah, that sounds amazing.

SPEAKER_00 4:49

It all feels quite ancient knowledge, though, doesn't it? It's like tarot is so ancient way of divination. Um astrology and the charm readings, they all feel like a remembering, like going back to ancestral knowledge that perhaps we might have forgotten.

SPEAKER_01 5:12

Yeah, I and that that is so true. I and I feel as though so much of my work is about exactly that going back to who we are, who we were before we forgot how to move through the world as our most authentic selves.

SPEAKER_00 5:31

Yeah, because I think modern living is tough, isn't it? And it actually blankets a lot of people's intuition, or they hear their intuition and just say no, because it's not logical, they ignore it.

Why Intuition Gets Buried

SPEAKER_01 5:45

Yes, yes. This is like a big topic for me. Like, why so many women lose touch with their intuition? And I have a lot of ideas on that. I mean, okay. Okay, well, here's what I think. First of all, I think it's because we're trained to, to be honest. Most women were rewarded for being agreeable before they were rewarded for being honest. They learned to read the room before they learned to read themselves. So they were taught, be nice, don't be difficult, don't disappoint people, make everybody comfortable. I mean, I certainly was taught that growing up. So this conditioning creates high-functioning women who are incredibly capable and completely disconnected from who they actually want to be. So they're not bad at intuition, they are undeveloped, or excuse me, they were overdeveloped in survival. Um people pleasing isn't it's it's intuition, but it's buried under performance. And that's why the work isn't finding your intuition, it's removing everything that is literally sitting on top of it. And um, so finding your intuition, I feel like this becomes a very different conversation when we realize it's not that we don't have it, we've just been blocking it. So, you know, that kind of leads me to like what blocks intuition the most, you know, kind of thing. What do you think of that?

SPEAKER_00 7:20

And that well, yes, I agree with you. And actually, when we don't listen to it and we bear it with modern living, and we have to be, you know, perfect, and we have to, you know, produce results and all the rest of it, we get burnout. I think it's still real because you're just constantly, it's almost like you're going against the flow of a river. You uh and it's swimming upstream, yeah. Absolutely hard work. So you teach.

SPEAKER_01 7:50

I agree that so much.

SPEAKER_00 7:52

Yeah, and tap back into their intuition, and I just just finding space to do that as well. I do um, I don't do the traditional tarot, but I do an angel card every day. And I have about 30 packs by now.

SPEAKER_01 8:09

I feel like, you know what, if you don't have 30 packs, then what are you doing, right? So and and there are so many, there's so many kinds of cards out there. I mean, there's tarot, there's Oracle, there's La Norman, there's there's angels. I mean, there's so many different themes, and more cards are coming out every day, and and all of them are unique and wonderful and insightful. So I have maybe more than 30 decks, and but I have a lot of I have a lot of different decks. Not all of them are tarot, and some of them are very untraditional, but once again, they all have their uses. Yeah. So how do you use the angel oracle?

SPEAKER_00 8:51

So I use, I tend to pick three for a day, and then I look at the message, and whatever the usually the question is, you know, what do I need to know today? So I'll I'll have a look at the message and you know, just just note it in my mind. I wouldn't live my life through that way specifically, but it's an extra tool, isn't it? It's a way, and the more you practice, the more you can perhaps connect to your intuition and start hearing that inner voice.

SPEAKER_01 9:24

Yeah, I agree 1000%. I also I pull one card a day. I have like a whole little, you know, it's usually I do it in the morning. I'm guessing you do it in the morning as well.

SPEAKER_00 9:34

Yes, yes.

SPEAKER_01 9:34

Yeah, and it's like it's become part of my morning routine. And um, so I I also read the charms. So I usually pull one tarot card and one charm. And then what I do is I take a picture of it. Oh nice. Because um, and then what I do right before I go to sleep at night, I because sometimes I'm like, what was the card I pulled today? You know, kind of like I don't even like it wasn't that long ago. But I go back to it and I think to myself, how did this show up for me today? Yeah, what did I learn? And how can I integrate that into you know being better in some way?

SPEAKER_00 10:12

Yeah. Because it's not, it's often um how you interpret it, isn't it? So actually, I like that looking back and saying, right, I got that card. I've had my day. How how what was that telling me? And some sometimes we don't interpret them correctly, do we?

Daily Card Pulls And Charms

SPEAKER_01 10:30

So you know, like what's the learning here? Like, what is the learning? What can I um like it's funny? I pulled a card and then I pulled a charm. So I have my own divination system that I created. It's charms, and these are just like like I'm wearing a heart around my neck right now. And um the the charm that I pulled today was the crown. Right. And to me, it was saying that I'm I'm in charge. I get to decide, you know, like when I wear the crown, I make the rules for me.

SPEAKER_00 11:00

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 11:00

So set the boundaries and let people know these are my boundaries. Yeah, this is my domain. And if you know you want to do you on another on another piece of land, that's great. But while we're here, we operate under my rules.

SPEAKER_00 11:15

Yes, perfect. And the thing is, you don't have to have uh a deck of cards, do you? You I mean, you could go outside in the garden and pick a particular, you know, a particular flower and say, well, what does that mean to me? What does the color mean to me?

SPEAKER_01 11:31

What's it absolutely? You know, I'm I'm huge with color. I I talk about color. It is so like it connects to me so much. Actually, one of the things that I read when I read the cards, it's like after I put a whole spread out. Um, I remember I did a reading, I was doing an event and I was at like a corporate event. And when I when I put out, even if I just put out three cards, the first thing I do is I want to know, like, for example, did a number repeat? Like, so it are we seeing like, you know, the Four of Cups and then the Four of Wands. Like, am I seeing cards coming repeating? So I seeing repeating numbers, am I seeing repeated colors? Um, and or am I seeing some sort of pattern in some way? So usually when I first lay out the cards, I take stock. Like I don't always just like boom start talking right away because I want to see what I'm talking about. And I remember um I was talking to like the head of the entire group, and he looked at me and he said, Wow, he said, You don't know what you're doing, do you? And I was like, Oh no, I know exactly what I'm doing. And then I've, you know, kind of told him exactly what was up. He's like, How do you know that? I'm like, because I'm looking for patterns and I'm looking for what, you know, I'm like, that's why I had a pause. It's not that I didn't know, I know very much. Yeah, it's just that I wanted to, I don't want to just like talk to talk. I want to talk with intention.

SPEAKER_00 12:55

Yeah, absolutely. And of course, numbers, we'll talk about numbers as well, but numbers and colors have a vibration, don't they? So you can relate to, you know, the way we see a color is because of the way it vibrates. So that there's all connection there as well, isn't there?

SPEAKER_01 13:14

Absolutely, absolutely. And I and I also want to know, like, for example, um, just thinking like, I'll I'll pick the color yellow. Yellow to me is so vibrant and so bright and so full of life. And to me, yellow is about clarity and focus and action and intention. And I might say to someone, how do you feel about the color yellow?

SPEAKER_00 13:39

And I'd say Because somebody to me, it talks about your power, your sort of inner energy. Okay, your that that's what it would mean to me. So you you you have to take on board what it means to you as an individual as well, don't you?

SPEAKER_01 13:56

Absolutely, which is why, and I love that because I think of the color yellow is connected to the solar plexus, which is your seat of power. And um, so that's that's a phenomenal point that you made. I love that. So I what I like to do is when I give information, I not only take what I know, I also turn it back around to my client or my querent, and I say, What do you see? You know, what what what energy is showing up here for you? Because that's in the conversation as well.

SPEAKER_00 14:30

Yeah. So you can do a reading for the day, can't you? But you can do reading for a particular problem, for a week, for a month. I mean, that's the variety is endless, isn't it?

SPEAKER_01 14:44

There are so many ways that you can use the cards. It's um, you know, uh endless. It's really endless. And and once again, uh, I mean, I took tarot classes for a very long time before I even started doing professional readings. But you do not need to take years of classes or read every book out there in order to begin reading for yourself. Because honestly, how I see the cards are as mirrors. So they are reflecting back at you exactly what you need to see or know in this moment, which is why I always say when you pull a card, what about the image in the card is calling your attention? Maybe it's a color, maybe it's that there's a bird in the tree, maybe it's that there's a lot of grass growing, like maybe it can be that there's nothing happening in the card. You know, it's like, but what is it that pulls your attention? Because there is where we're gonna get your message.

SPEAKER_00 15:44

Yeah. And and what we're doing is just it's prompts, isn't it, to your own intuition. It's just a way of you accessing your own inner voice.

SPEAKER_01 15:56

Absolutely. Absolutely. And um, and and and once again, I I feel as though we are, and I'm talking about the collective we get very fearful, like, am I doing it wrong? Am I am I, you know, what what if I get the wrong answer? But what if I want to kind of pose this other question to you? What if there were no wrong answer? What if whatever you saw and whatever you felt and whatever came up for you was a hundred percent right?

Reading Patterns In Colour And Number

SPEAKER_00 16:22

Yeah, in that moment. Exactly. So if you do see something that you don't like, do you think that we can change that? So say we did a spread that gives you a week, a particular problem that we're looking at, maybe, and the cards that you get, you think, oh no, that really isn't what I want to see. Can we change that? What what is gonna happen by the by the way we change our behavior or perhaps our thoughts or well, first of all, nothing is written in stone.

SPEAKER_01 16:54

What I'm telling you is like I I see myself often as a storyteller. And to me, the cards are kind of like the pages of the book, so to speak. So when I am um, when I'm telling you what I see, and and and I don't use it for prediction so much as I lay out a situation, and then I want to know, well, what do you want to do here? How do you want to move forward? Like, what is the outcome that you are looking for? So say you're at point A, what is the point B that you have in mind? And you know, people sometimes come to readings with the um with what I call a um a script or kind of like the beliefs that we had that we were maybe taught from a very young age. Like um, I did a reading uh not that long ago, and the person that I was doing the reading for said to me, Um, I'm I'm a bad decision maker. And I said, Is that what you tell yourself? And he was like, Well, what do you mean by that? And I said, Well, I mean that you ever hear the expression thoughts become things. If you tell yourself you're bad at making decisions, it's like you're almost making it okay that, you know, if you belly flop in front of the world because you made a bad decision, that we're like, oh, that's just what I do.

SPEAKER_00 18:15

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 18:15

But what if we could change the conversation? What if we could change the script? And instead of having these I can't or I'm not moments in our head, we reframed that and made it something that we can do. So for example, you just gave a um a situation where you see something that is not the outcome that you're looking for. So my question to you is what's possible here? Like, what are some options? Because once again, I may have met you recently. Like, for example, like, you know, we we haven't known each other another super long, but you, Natasha, have known yourself your whole life. Yeah. So instead of me giving you answers for what would possibly be the best way forward, what I'm going to do is I'm going to prompt you with some questions about how you can decide what decisions would best serve you, what would possibly you know take you in the direction and are things that you are capable of doing. I'm not saying you're going to be comfortable with it because sometimes we need to get uncomfortable. If we want to do something, excuse me, if we want to have something we've never had before, be willing to do something we've never done before. So I am going to encourage you to stretch out of your comfort zone. But the question is, what in your wheelhouse, what in your little box of tools is there that you can use to get you to the place you're looking to go.

SPEAKER_00 19:50

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 19:51

So I don't look at the cards as a like, oh, this is not going well for you. You better put your helmet on, kind of thing. I say this is where it could go if you do not step in and make other choices.

Tarot As Mirror Not Prediction

SPEAKER_00 20:05

Yeah. So this is the coaching aspect that you talk about. Uh it's almost like life coaching, isn't it? You're you're helping the place that they want to go, but using the card and the the numerology and the charm readings as stepping stones, basically. And prompts.

SPEAKER_01 21:23

Exactly. They give me kind of like breadcrumbs along the way. And um, and I know that people sometimes come to me because they want answers. And it's not that we're not going to find answers here together, but I am not going to tell you yes or no or go left or go right. Those are this is your life, and I want to support you in making the decisions that will serve you. And I want to teach you how to do that, even when I am not walking along beside you, asking you questions along the way. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 21:58

And this is the power of coaching, isn't it? It really changes the perspective, it helps people look at things from a different way. Um, and sometimes when I've had coaching and the questions, and you think, what didn't I think of that? Why didn't I just flip on the way I was looking at something? So it's really helpful to have that support, isn't it?

SPEAKER_01 22:19

It is. It is very helpful. And and honestly, you can use tarot and astrology to heal, but it really has to be used, you know, correctly. Um, this is not about, as I mentioned, what happens next. It's about healing. So healing happens when the tool becomes the mirror, not the crutch. And I think that a lot of people use these tools as a crutch. So what I'm looking for is patterns and timing and blind spots and emotional truths. You know, I'm not looking for a dependency on these cards. So if somebody leaves a session needing um me more, then I've then I've failed. I mean, the goal is always self-trust. And the best reading for me is the one that ends with, I knew that. I just needed the permission to trust it. Yes. And that's the work.

SPEAKER_00 23:15

And the coactive part of your coaching work. Coactive meaning that you it, you know, it's a combination of doing and being, isn't it? So you you work out steps that they're doing. Yeah. They can work out steps to actually get us to support what they've learned.

SPEAKER_01 23:36

Absolutely. And we work with um, and and I really love how co-active coaching works because it it really establishes, okay, so what are your values? Like there's a whole values mining section. And then there is a whole, like, what is your, you know, you know, what is your life path? Like, what are you here? What is your life's work, like your life's purpose? What are you here to do? We have a whole like life purpose exercise that I do. And then I also have this, there's a wonderful um extra uh technique that we learned is about how you have an inner leader, and your inner leader is your inner voice. Like every, you know, we all have that voice. So we have a conversation with sometimes that voice isn't that kind or nice to us, you know, speaking to us in ways that we would never speak to anybody else. But I feel as though your inner your inner voice or your inner leader, as they call it, the leader within, is a very wise and um well, you know, extremely knowledgeable source of information. And it teaches you how to, you know, get into dialogue with yourself so you can stop looking everywhere else in the world, but to you for an answer. And um, and coactive is also about how in like the coaching client dynamic, I am not the leader and you the follower or the student. It's not like a teacher, student, leader, follower type of thing. It's like we are two peers. I am here to support you in whatever it is you are looking to change or make happen in your life. If you want it, I want it for you. If you do not want it, then I no longer want it for you. You. So I feel as though it's really important because when people I start working with clients, sometimes what they think they want, maybe they take a few steps down that road and they say, uh, I think I want to turn around or I think I want to change. And that's fine. Like I am, once again, it's like if you, you know, if you went down the wrong street, I'm not looking to go farther in the wrong direction. Let's turn this car around and let's find the right path where you can be the most successful and find the most authentic and connected path forward for you. So you can thrive.

SPEAKER_00 25:59

So it's like a support buddy, isn't it? It's it's helping people find the way that they need to go. And the voice that you're talking about, that it's also, I think it's really important that it's kind as well. That voice is kind. Your input should be kind to you.

Coaching For Values And Self Trust

SPEAKER_01 26:18

Well, which is why, you know, sometimes, you know, in coaching we say, you know, is that a saboteur talking? Like, is that something because like it's like, oh, you can't do this thing, it's scary. It's you know, we've never been there before, you know, kind of thing. It's like, okay, thank you, saboteur, for showing up. There's the door, kind of thing. And um, and then we can find a way to allow our inner leader to come in and and say the real things.

SPEAKER_00 26:45

Yeah. And the other thing I was minded to say when I was listening to you talk was about people's life purpose. Because it doesn't have to be this huge, grand world changing. It could be, but it could just be about holding space for others, it could just be about being other people's support buddy. It could be, you know, it doesn't have to be this huge, grand money-making scheme or anything like that.

SPEAKER_01 27:14

No, no, no, no, no. That's not what this is. Yes. Yeah, you and and honestly, um, the life purpose, what we I mean, it's a whole um exercise that we do and we go back and forth, and it's it's quite um engaging and fun. But the bottom line is I am looking to create like a life purpose statement. Yes. And um I did mine many years ago, but the the gist of, and and so I I definitely cannot recite to you the exact wording of it, but the gist of my life purpose is that I am a light. And my job is to shine light on the path. So those who come with me or behind me or you know, are traveling in this direction as well, can see their correct direction, can see their direction. So I want to be that light. And so whatever it is, that light takes form as living my life purpose. So that's me when I write my book, that's me when I'm speaking at a conference, that's me when I'm you know working with a client, whether it be doing tarot and charms or whether it's doing coaching. I want to be that light. And for me, that's living my life purpose.

SPEAKER_00 28:31

That's lovely. I love that. That's really lovely. So your book is called The Way Within: Igniting Your Intuition with Sacred Tools. So is it about everything we've just talked about, basically? All those sacred tools that we've tarot, astrology, how we use them.

SPEAKER_01 28:52

Yes, and and some more. So my book is is is rooted in the belief that you don't need more answers. You need to learn to trust yourself enough to hear the ones that are already within. So most people aren't disconnected from their intuition, they're just overriding it. You know, the true work is slow enough to hear yourself again. And that's the foundation for all future transformation. So, um, what I did is I I drew on, you know, like 25, 30 plus years of experience. And um, what I wanted to do is teach people. So I chose three three um modalities. So in the book, I talk about tarot, numerology, and charms. I do an introduction to all of them. I give um examples of ways you can work to build that up from a very beginner level. Like I do not expect anybody that picks up my book to have former knowledge of tarot, to have a super long and detailed background with any divination. And this book is just, it's it's the book that I actually wish that was written when I first started. I think that a lot of people wind up writing books like that or writing about that. And what I want is um I'm giving them practical rituals, daily practices that are designed to help these, my readers reconnect with themselves, you know, from quick morning check-ins to energy audits and the importance of healthy boundaries. I mean, all this stuff. So each chapter offers actionable steps that build clarity, confidence, and self-trust. So in there, I also weed in personal stories. I wasn't missing clarity. Um, I was missing courage. Yeah. And that shift, you know, valuing self-trust over looking for external answers changed everything for me. And it's what I hope to offer my readers.

SPEAKER_00 30:54

Yeah. And it sounds like it's a great book for people to start exploring all of those themes and exploring themselves, really, and what they're capable, um, you know, of doing basically.

SPEAKER_01 31:07

Yeah. I mean, my message is simple. The most meaningful change comes reconnecting to yourself, trusting your intimate, excuse me, trusting your intuition, making um small, honest choices every day. And I just want to give readers more than just inspiration. I want to give them a language and tools that they can actually use.

The Way Within And Listener Offer

SPEAKER_00 31:29

That's fabulous. Lovely. Well, I'll put all the details underneath the episode. And you've also really, really kindly uh offered 15% of the clarity and energy alignment session to balm to the soul listeners. So thank you for that. And I'm gonna put all the details underneath the episode as well. So that sounds amazing. Um, so one last question, Dina. What is one thing that you do daily that really just helps you stay centered and balanced?

SPEAKER_01 32:03

So I have a morning ritual, and I told you a little bit about it with my um with probably my my card and my charm, but I do a meditation and it's it's it's short, like it's depending on how much time I have. It's a five to 10 minute meditation where I sit quietly and um and I do have a little bit of monkey mind. I do have, I mean, I know that meditation can be hard for people. So um I learned not that long ago, actually. Um, somebody taught me a technique that all you do in your head is say just this, just this, like meaning just your breath. Just moment. The only thing that matters is me being quiet right here. So whenever I find myself da da da, you know, being a little pinball in my head, I go back to my breath and say just this. So I start with that, which I have become much better at since I've been doing it more regularly. And I also do a short tapping. So I'm not sure if you're familiar with EFT tapping, just tapping on, you know, the points of our, you know, our face, our my chest, my my heart, and talking about the things that I am actively manifesting in the world. And um, and once again, sometimes I even just go on YouTube and I listen to a a tapping, and they're like, you know, seven to ten minutes one. So I do those things and a card at a time and I take a picture out of it, as I mentioned, because I sometimes write myself a little note, what I think, like I'll send myself a text. I don't know if you ever do that, I'll send myself a text and what I think this message is about today.

SPEAKER_00 33:55

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 33:55

And then when I go back to it before I go to sleep at night, I will receive my text and look at the picture again and um and either agree or add to or say, girl, then you go today, kind of thing. But it's it's very helpful for me to know that um even though you know maybe I thought something was going to be a certain way today, even if it didn't happen that way, I'm still okay.

SPEAKER_00 34:25

Yeah, yeah. And that's the thing. You've got to tell yourself whatever happened, it happened for a reason and you were okay, basically. Brilliant. Okay. It's been so lovely to talk to you. I've been fascinated by by you know what you offer and your book. It all sounds lovely.

Meditation EFT Tapping And Night Review

SPEAKER_01 34:47

Thank you. Thank you for inviting me here and connecting. It's so great to meet you and and your audience and everything as well. So I appreciate you so much.

SPEAKER_00 34:55

Oh, no problem at all. I appreciate the support. So, um, like I said, I will put Dina Dina's um information, book, and offer below the episode. And if you've enjoyed listening to us chat, please like and share. And you can also support the podcast and you can subscribe to the podcast. And um, I will be