The Messy Middle with Natasha Ramlall

The moment you stop bracing can feel like the moment you fall apart and that’s exactly why so many capable, high-functioning women panic during a big life transition. When the job ends, the relationship shifts, the body finally says “enough”, or a quiet inner knowing surfaces, the old identity can crack. With embodied integration coach Natasha Ramlall, we talk honestly about that unnerving stretch of time where you do not have a map, you do not feel like yourself, and you are tempted to label it as weakness. We name it for what it often is: a nervous system recalibration and a doorway to a more truthful life. 

We explore embodied integration coaching as a way of bringing the mind, the body, protective ego patterns and a spiritual anchor back into relationship. That means moving beyond living in your head and learning how to “land in the body” so you can hear needs, rebuild intuition, and restore self-trust after years of over-functioning. We also talk about the messy middle, why shutdown can follow decades of fight mode, and how compassion and acceptance can help you stay with uncertainty long enough for real clarity to arrive. 

Natasha shares how an embodied dance practice grew from one deceptively simple question: what did five-year-old you want to do? We unpack why creativity and play are not indulgences, why value cannot only be measured by productivity or money, and how small glimmers of joy can become practical next steps. You’ll also hear about a free guided audio that supports embodiment as a starting point, plus one daily spiritual practice that keeps us centred: committed listening. 

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Natasha Ramlall - Embodied Integration Coach

Website -  Humanist Coaching Home

Transcript

SPEAKER_01 0:02

So, welcome everybody to another edition of Balm to the Soul. I'm your host, Natasha Joy Price, and I'm an energy therapist. I'm an author and of course a podcaster. And today we have a lovely new guest, my namesake, or she's, or vice versa, but um Natasha Ramlow. So welcome, Natasha. Thank you for coming onto the podcast.

SPEAKER_00 0:26

Thank you, Natasha. It's exciting to be to be uh having a conversation with another Natasha. I don't know why that tickles me so much, but I think our name is just it's not so um irregular that you never hear it, but it's also not that common that you meet a lot of other Natashas. So it's just it's exciting when you do.

SPEAKER_01 0:49

Yeah, I don't often meet other Natashas. Or if I do, they're quite young, much younger than me. So um it's nice to meet to meet you, Natasha. Definitely. Agreed. You know, it's very strange calling someone else Natasha, though, for some reason. But then you there you go. So Natasha is an embodied integration coach, and she helps high-functioning, capable women who find feel that the ground is cracking beneath them after a difficult life transition or an awakening to a mismatch life. So talk to us about embodied integration coaching. What's that all about?

SPEAKER_00 1:30

Yeah, that's um embodied integration is really looking at how generally in the culture that we live in, in the ways we've been conditioned, and likely out of, you know, the protective mechanisms that drive us um in our life, we've kind of fractured these different parts of our human experience. And then we've um overprioritized particular parts. So especially for high-functioning, hyper-capable women, um, we are up in our heads and we are living primarily from the stories that we are understanding at a cognitive level, and we're relying on our brain to make meaning of our existence, um, which is, you know, that's biologically an it's an it's primal. It's a it's natural that we're going to do that. But the problem is that we have overvalued that way of understanding ourselves

Meeting Another Natasha

SPEAKER_00 2:30

and understanding our life at the expense of not understanding what it feels like to be in our body, to be connected to the messages coming from our body, from um, you know, nurturing our intuition and for you know, trusting in that. And without those two pieces working together, we're really not living in the full expression of our humanness. Then you bring in the protective patterns of the ego, and that's another part that needs to be, you know, allowed to express itself. And for me, I have a strong belief that a lot of our human challenges um will often stem from a lack of a spiritual anchor. So for me, that's kind of the fourth piece is bringing in that um connection to something that is greater than ourselves, something more than just this human experience. Um, and I think that's a really important piece because if we don't have that, it's it makes it a lot harder to withstand, you

What Embodied Integration Coaching Means

SPEAKER_00 3:36

know, the ups and downs and the messiness of being a human. Um, because humans have a pretty hard life sometimes. And yeah, um, but that spiritual anchor kind of helps us to have a sense of our purpose. It kind of helps us make meaning out of some of the more challenging moments of our life and the pain points. Um, so embodied integration coaching is really um, I work one-to-one with women. Um, it's online, so it's global. And my role is simply to create a safe place for my clients to practice allowing themselves to be there fully, all the different parts, and I can help to, you know, guide and reflect in which of those parts are longing to be expressed, and you know, when they may want to come in and have their time. Um, so it's really about integrating the whole experience, which is different and kind of counterculture to what we're used to, which is more like resisting the parts that we don't like, resisting the things that are uncomfortable, resisting the things that are difficult. And integration is really about let's rather than resist and give them a reason to get stronger, let's understand how they've come to be a part of our experience, how they are a part of us, if there's anything there for us to be um learning about ourselves. And and then that integration piece can really kind of settle some of the activations that are most uncomfortable in our life, and then help us to move forward um from a better place. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 5:22

I can really relate to this because um after uh about 29 years, I have finally retired from being from being a lawyer. And I it's been a month now, really, and I really feel as if I am unraveling, but in a good way, as in um the tension that we often hold when we're in corporate and high you know functioning roles, um, is so tight that actually as it slowly relaxed and unraveled, things that I really I was really interested in, and yet I have completely and utterly forgotten because your head is so full of your job, um, have suddenly started coming up. And I think, oh yes, I I used to be fascinated about that, or oh yes, I remember reading about that. And and the whole, like you say, you're in your head and you are so focused on one aspect, your work, that everything else you forget. It almost falls off your radar, so to speak. And it is a real it's a real unraveling. It's allowing yourself to sort of open up and have space. And to so to really, it's it's about the parts that you don't you've forgotten about, or actually that you don't even know exist because you just haven't had that sort of space or well, it's space to sort of be aware of them almost.

SPEAKER_00 7:08

Yeah, absolutely. And I love that in your experience, you've retired from something and you are open to having the space to explore those new parts. And I think that a lot of the time because we're in sort of that survival mindset, we really just don't have capacity to allow ourselves to be with those parts because in order for us to keep up with this like productive go, go, go pace of the external world that we're trying to navigate, we can't slow down enough to be in the body and to listen. We have to stay up in the head in order to,

Leaving Corporate Life And Unravelling

SPEAKER_00 7:50

you know, get shit done. Um, and so I think that's where this idea of an identity rupture hits women who are high functioning, hyper capable differently because we're so used to that um orientation to life. Like I'm I'm the capable one, I'm reliable, I can get things done, and I derive a lot of my value from that. People know me as that person that they can count on to get things done. And when we come into this place where we're like, huh, I actually have needs. Yes. I actually have needs. And I and I think that something in me wants to actually know what they are and actually start listening to them and actually start feeding them. That can that can feel really unfamiliar and almost threatening to allow yourself to take the time and space to look at those things because it's like if I turn my focus on my own needs, then my identity in relationship to all of the other things that I've been relying on to define myself kind of breaks away and it cracks, and it's very disorienting and it's scary. It's very, very scary. Um, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 9:17

And I think um by finding that space, I think high-functioning jobs often do um sort of really um restrict creativity as well. And I think as you open up and you begin begin to look at those parts, the creative side of you can come out, even if that is creative thinking. And that's where new ideas can come out as well, isn't it? Yeah, absolutely. Yeah, and I also find I also think physically the way we live our lives is actually really detrimental, but I don't think we realize it until you start unraveling, you don't realize how tightly coiled you were.

SPEAKER_00 10:02

Oh, that's a good way to say it.

SPEAKER_01 10:04

Yeah, yeah, and like, you know, the muscle aches and pains is because you've got such stress and you're almost like clenching everything, so that you can, when you unravel, you realize actually, you

Identity Rupture And Admitting Needs

SPEAKER_01 10:18

know, keeping up that pace and being, you know, stressed all the time is really, really detrimental to our health in all aspects, isn't it?

SPEAKER_00 10:30

Absolutely. And I think that that's why right now at this point in time, and maybe it's always been this way, and I'm just noticing it because I'm in my 50s now, but it feels like this sort of age is where women are coming into this place of unraveling, whether by choice, by being nudged firmly, or because they've been forced into it. And I think that that is actually a symptom of the fact that we have been bracing for such a long time out of a need to survive and and do the things that we feel are necessary to feel safe, but it's just not sustainable. And so after four or five decades of living that way, something breaks. And that's where we're just like, okay, I I have to do something differently now. Like this is this is my this is my pivot point. And I I don't feel like I can continue to tolerate things that, you know, I've kind of had nudges along the way that something needed to change, but I just didn't feel like I had the space to make those changes. But now I'm actually being forced. And unfortunately for some women, it gets to that point. You know, like for me, I was in my early 40s when chronic back pain just kind of like stalked my journey, right? And then there had been nudges all along the way, but you know, I pushed through them, I used medical band-aids, I like found my way to find a way to keep going until my body was just like, uh-uh, girl, you're not gonna keep going this time. No, and I had to turn all of my attention on healing because I could not do my life in the, you know, the physical pain that I was in.

SPEAKER_01 12:21

No.

SPEAKER_00 12:21

Um, but of course, it ended up being, you know, looking back, it ended up being such an incredibly pivotal moment, completely changed the trajectory of my life and awakened all of these things inside of me that I had just kind of, you know, tamped down and said, Oh, we don't have time for that, we don't have time for that, we don't have space for that. And it's funny when you were talking about um that creative piece wanting to come out and kind of express, I had this visual of this little girl kind of peeking out around the corner and just being like, now, now is okay for me to come out and play. Yeah. You know, and I and I get that feeling from a lot of the women that I work with where it's like, I've forgotten how to play, I've forgotten how to be spontaneous, I've forgotten how to be, you know, in the dance of the present moment and just having fun and lightheartedness. Yeah. Um and that is is a really beautiful thing to watch women intentionally coming back to and recognizing that there's value in that. It's not just if I have time, I can give into this part, but it's actually, you know, one of those essential human needs is to be creative and to be playful and you know, in the moment.

SPEAKER_01 13:42

Absolutely. And I think women of that age, one, we still have time to do something else and pivot. And two, usually our children have gone. And so we've got we have got that space. But I feel like absolutely I resonate with that because I feel that although I've I've retired from being a lawyer, I am pivoting to look at something else and doing something else, and um hopefully being more creative in that way. So that's exactly what what has happened, basically. And uh what was my nudge? My nudge, I think I have been nudged very, very um clearly, but since Christmas of this year, the fatigue has just been to the point of I'm not sure I can get up and carry on. Not not aches and pains, but just exhausted. And and I knew that if I didn't do something, I would be ill. I knew that. That kept going through my head. Um and then, you know, I and then something happened that pushed me. And so, yeah, this is the time I'm gonna do that. So it's a common, it's a common story, actually.

SPEAKER_00 15:03

It is, it really is. And even specifically the fatigue part and the exhaustion, um, I think that, you know, you mentioned that for you after retirement, it's kind of been a slow unraveling and just sort of like, okay, I'm coming back into noticing these parts of myself that I haven't really been giving too much attention to. Um, but for some women, it can be more for me, my experience was more like I went from this like hyper-vigilant, bracing energy, kind of like a uh sympathetic um state of the nervous system, like fight, fight, fight, fight.

SPEAKER_01 15:41

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 15:42

Um, and when I, you know, retired from my career of 25 years last June, it was almost like a pendulum. It swung to the complete other extreme. And I just shut down. Like I just completely shut down. And it was a completely different nervous system state, like the the freeze, you know, dorsal vagal shutdown. And I was terrified because I, you know, as somebody who had always had it together, always had a plan, always organized, knew how to figure out any problem, I didn't recognize myself at all. And and I think a lot of women will get stuck in that place and start to see it as like, oh my goodness, there's something wrong with me. I'm broken. This is a major character flaw. This is a massive week, like this is about me being broken. Um, and luckily, because I've been in this work, when this happened to me, I could see that no, this is actually just part of the process. This is the messy middle of a transition phase. And in for me, it was kind of like I had to go to the other extreme in order to find my way back to a place of balance. And the real lesson that I am learning in real time is that the messy, the lesson of the messy middle is to learn how to trust. Because it's the I think the most uncomfortable piece about being in that messy middle place is that I don't know what the future looks like. I don't know what's coming. I don't have a map, I don't have a plan, nothing's certain. And all the things that I used to help me understand my life in the past, those are gone now. Those are not the things I'm holding on to anymore. Or maybe not all of them, but some significant pieces. Um, and so it's really like, can I trust that if I am learning how to honor my internal messages, my internal guidance system, the one that leads from joy and a sense of alignment, um, that that's enough. And that I can trust that this, you know, journey is gonna unfold in a way that's, you know, meant to for me and in the highest interest of everyone

Nervous System Swing And Shutdown

SPEAKER_00 18:11

involved, whether that's painful or not. Um, and trust is this sort of soul trust that I'm not alone in it. Even when I feel alone, there is something greater than me that is holding me through this experience. Um and, you know, if we don't let ourselves be in that discomfort of that messy middle place, uh, we may not learn that lesson and we'll just jump into something else to fill, to, you know, get away from the discomfort, and we'll be right back in that same cycle and have to go through it again. Um, so you know, a lot of what I'm here to try to help other women understand is that that place where you feel fatigued, exhausted, you don't recognize yourself, and it feels like everything, nothing makes sense, um, that it's okay to actually learn how to let yourself be there and allow it, allow it to feel terrible. Um, and and try to understand that it's part of a process of change rather than um a personal weakness in you. Um and take that judgment piece out of the equation as much as possible, replace it with some compassion, some grace and some acceptance.

SPEAKER_01 19:32

Yeah. And that it's not uncommon. It's, you know, it is something that often happens, and that, you know, in all that messy middle bit, as you say, um, you know, if you stick with it and trust and follow your gut and your intuition, you often find real nuggets of gold nuggets, basically, of where you can go, where where your path is leading you from that point. Um but not easy, not easy. So so you as a coach will help people to navigate uh those feelings, that whole transition of going from one one going from one norm, deconstructing it and finding another way of being.

SPEAKER_00 20:23

Yeah. It's a beautiful way to say it because really at the heart of it, we're reorienting how we show up to our life.

SPEAKER_01 20:31

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 20:31

Where, you know, we've likely

Trusting The Messy Middle

SPEAKER_00 20:34

been externally referencing our, you know, the points that we understand our lives, how we're supposed to show up, the right way to do life, right? Um, and we're we're kind of entering this different orientation to life where we're like, no, actually, it's about recognizing my own wisdom from my own lived experience has a lot of value for me. And can I trust that? Can I learn to trust that? And you know, for a lot of people, that self-trust piece is very tied in with their past traumas, the different things that they've been through. So for you know, it's very nuanced, right? Every person is different. But what I see very often, and I'm I can say that this has been part of my experience as well, is that self-trust piece um can sometimes take a lot of rebuilding. And so doing that with a witness in a place in a safe place of acceptance um can be a really key piece in being able to shift that. Um yeah, and then you know, we also do I also do um group facilitation, um, but that's always in person, so it's more to my local community in Southern Ontario. Um, and I think that's another uh beautiful area of healing for women. Um, and I think they both have value. You um and I wish for every woman that they have both those kinds of supports in their life as they're moving through.

SPEAKER_01 22:08

Definitely. So you do um wellness retreats, women's circles, and workshops in your area where you are. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 22:17

Yeah, my main thing, sorry, didn't need to interrupt you there. Okay. My main thing is um an embodied dance practice. So we I have a program where we meet weekly and we use dance as a modality to explore embodiment, to you know, come back to the body, learn how to inhabit the body, learn how to be with all of the messages that are coming up. Um, and that's been a really beautiful space. I I I really love it. Um there's a really beautiful community that's been born out of that offer. And um, so that's usually a part of anything else I'm offering as well. Not everything, you know. I've done women's circles and different embodiment programs where we weren't doing dance, but oftentimes at retreats and things like that, there will always be a dance component because I found that that movement piece is oh, it can be a real game changer for people.

SPEAKER_01 23:14

Yeah. And how did you get into embodied dance? Because it's not often offered, it's not something that I I see often. So, how did you get into the embodied dance?

SPEAKER_00 23:25

You know, it's an interesting story. Um, I when I was a child, okay, so I was, I had launched my coaching business. I had been, you know, do involving myself in the coaching work. And I think I was actually listening to a podcast. It might have been vacuuming my my living room, and I was listening to a podcast, and the guest said something along the lines of, if you know what you're if you want to know what you're meant to be doing with your life, uh, go back and ask five-year-old you what they would have answered. And I stopped and I thought for a second, oh, well, that's easy. Five-year-old me wanted to be a dancer. And it was one of those moments where the smallest thing all of a sudden becomes this big thing. And you're just kind of like, wait a second. And like it was like all the Tetris blocks kind of came into place. And I was like, dance, it so beautifully supported the work that I was doing in coaching. Like I immediately saw the connection. And you know, I'm so grateful that I didn't let myself come up with all the reasons why that was a ridiculous thing to even consider. Yeah. But instead, I just went with that. And and I, you know, everything kind of fell into place. I found a training that was perfectly aligned for what I was looking for. Um, and so, you know, I kind of went for it, did the training, um, came back. Uh, so there was like a an online portion for the majority of a year, but at the end it culminated with an in-person two-week intensive. Um, so I traveled to Europe for that. And then when I got back, I I started my program and it's been running ever since. And it's just been growing and becoming more and more beautiful. And um, yeah, it's a real gift to me because, and it's a really good example, I think, of when we lean into that internal joy, that glimmer of something

Group Work And Embodied Dance

SPEAKER_00 25:28

that lights you up, and trusting that glimmer enough to take the night, the the next right step. Because, you know, at the time it was just like, huh, this could be an a fun side hustle while I'm doing my coaching work. Um, and because I leaned in, it opened up an entire other area of, you know, my personal ways of contributing to the world. I I love to facilitate and I think I'm quite good at facilitating groups of people. And so that that became, you know, it extended to women's circles and it extended to the retreats, and it became more of a thing. Yeah. But it all started with that simple question of what would a five-year-old me wanted to do. Um, and so that, you know, I I I love the way that that's transpired because I think it can serve as an example to others who feel like, yeah, but you know, like I I have this dream or I have this thing I love so much, but yeah, I don't see how it could actually fit into my life. And really trying to understand the whole picture is where we get stuck. If we can just understand, well, can I just act on that glimmer? Can I just take that first step and see, does that, you know, open a new door

Follow The Five-Year-Old Clue

SPEAKER_00 26:52

that I'm I can explore at that point and just, you know, let that be okay. Like maybe it, maybe I don't want to do that. Maybe I would have gone and done the training and been like, uh, I don't think I'm feeling this. Yes. Right? Yeah. And if I had been the kind of person who said, well, I don't want to do it in case I don't like it, then I would have closed that door before I even knew what the doorway was leading me to. Um, and in this case, it ended up being such a big, beautiful new addition to my life. Um I'm just so grateful that I was willing to follow that, those breadcrumbs.

SPEAKER_01 27:29

Yeah. I can hear all the listeners thinking, what did I want to do when I was five and stuff? I hope so. I hope so. I well, I'll tell you what I wanted to do. I wanted to be an artist. I wanted to be an artist. And I had an obsession with Salvador Dali, you know, and all the images that didn't make sense. And I think it was because it was almost like a dreamlight state. And I loved that. It didn't have to be, it didn't have to be what we could see in this dimension. It could be a whole different dimension. Oh, yes. I'll have to think around that. A whole different branch.

SPEAKER_00 28:11

Well, and then okay, well, so what's what's giving me chills right now is because you were mentioning at the beginning of our conversation how you're entering this stage of your life where that creativity is coming through. Yeah. And you're starting to embrace these parts of yourself that have been a little quieted for a while. And then there's this part of you that, you know, five-year-old you wanted to be an artist. And now you have the space to actually lean in and see, huh?

unknown 28:39

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 28:40

And you see what it feels like to embrace five-year-old me's long.

SPEAKER_01 28:44

Yes, exactly. Because a lot of the time, um, you know, that was poo-pooed because it's, oh, well, you can't make a living doing that. You've got to be a doctor or a lawyer or a teacher or or a nurse or whatever it was. Um and and parents did that with the the best intentions. Um, but it was often it was often just poo-pooed and and you were pushed into another direction. And in fact, I remember being at school and them saying, No, you want to do something more academic. So even schools were the same. So it's lovely to have get to a point in your life where you can actually think, well, I can do anything now. I can do and nobody's expecting me to do anything. So that's fine, you know, no expectations, yeah. Just yeah, like you say.

SPEAKER_00 29:41

I think that's a really important piece that you're naming too, because with my experience with dance, you know, so from a young age, I loved dance, I embraced it fully. So I, you know, started doing dance training in a more formal way. But that and you know, I did training for, you know, over 12 years, but it never was a fit because my passion for dance came more from, you know, like a primal free-flowing state of sort of as you're describing, about that dreamy state that you get into with art. It kind of came from there. And the training aspect of dance um was more about me learning skills and techniques and fitting into um, you know, the correct way of being a performer. It was more about performing. And now I I also want to say, like, I'm a huge fan of dance as a performance art. And I absolutely love watching dancers, and I have so much love and admiration for them. But for me and my connection with dance, there was a disconnect. And so I think what I'm trying to get at is that oftentimes we think if we can't make a career out of it, if we can't um get to a particular level of professionality with something, then it's not a good use of our time. And, you know, for me as an adult coming back to dance, it was really embracing this idea that, oh, dance doesn't always have to be performative. Where I feel the most aligned is in healing spaces and sort of supportive and caring roles. And dance can be that too. And so understanding how it fits, you know, you know, sort of broadening the spectrum of what dance could be was my way of coming back to it in a way that you know, that made sense for me. And and so I think that's what you were saying about we kind of we want to put these these nudges into a well, what is that gonna do? Like what's that gonna mean? What's the value in pursuing that thing? And if if it's not um, you know, a clear value in the end, we decide it's not worth spending our time on. And then we, you know, sometimes wait until retirement to allow ourselves to go and explore those those different parts of ourselves. Yeah. Um, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 32:15

And and I think uh for all of this, the process that you're talking about um in your coaching as well, we don't need to see, we don't need to know what the end product is. We don't need to know where, we don't need to be able to see the destination. It's about perhaps it's about the journey and and always trying to quantify it. Well, can I earn money from that? Can I, you know, that's not what it's about, I don't think. It's about just connecting to um who we truly are, really.

SPEAKER_00 32:47

Yeah, absolutely. Our essence. That piece about can I make money from it is really tied to will other people see value in it?

SPEAKER_01 32:55

Yes.

SPEAKER_00 32:56

And you think the orientation with embodied integration is really understanding that I want to internally reference my own idea of value. What do I feel is successful for me? What is important, what lights me up, what gives quality to my life experience. I'm gonna use that as my gauge for value rather than the opinions of other people. And that is a massive shift. And I, you know, I I don't want it to sound so out there that I it's it's like I'm not recognizing that, yeah, okay, but we also have bills to pay and we have to make a living and we have these things to do. Because we do. Because we do, absolutely. But I do think that sometimes that willingness to make space for those nudges of joy and pleasure remind us that we can find a balanced way to decide how we want to set up our lives. Um, whereas most of us kind of default to this setting of like, you go to school, you pick the thing, you get really good at it, you make a lot of money. And then if you have some free time outside of that, you know, you can find some hobbies and you can travel a bit, you know, and hopefully you have a good social circle. Um, and you know, when we reorient to, but what do I feel excited about right now in this moment? I think we can have a more balanced way of being in our lives. And I think like right now in 2026 with AI coming up

Redefining Value Beyond Making Money

SPEAKER_00 34:35

and all of the different technology, you know, I understand that there's, you know, pros and cons to it for sure, but it does offer a potential opportunity where people can be more balanced in their work and other aspects of their life. And but do we know how to do that? You know, you have all these people who retire and then they very quickly kind of deteriorate and and and transition out of this plane because they don't know how to do life if they don't have work to focus on. And I find that so sad, really sad. Um, and I think if we're you know more balanced kind of all the way through our journey, we recognize that yes, work is a big part of our lives. Making money is absolutely uh an essential part of our life, but it's not the whole all, the be all and end all of everything.

SPEAKER_01 35:30

No.

SPEAKER_00 35:30

Um, and and there are ways of finding work that feel more aligned and feel more balanced with all the different parts of us.

SPEAKER_01 35:39

Yeah, absolutely. So um you have a free audio. Tell us about that.

SPEAKER_00 35:46

So um one of the foundational practices for embodied integration is landing in the body. And, you know, depending on your how safe it feels to inhabit your body, uh, which is very nuanced for women across the spectrum, um, that can take some practice and that can take some guidance. Uh, so this audio that I'd love to offer to the listeners if they're interested, it's just a 20-minute or so guided audio that brings you into the experience of being in your body. And it's not meditation. Meditation is more leaving the experience of your body to kind of get to that more one consciousness place. Um, this is an embodiment practice. So we're actually learning how to inhabit the body and you know, be in the sensation of the body, the direct felt experience of the body. Um, so it's a really great starting point for anybody who, you know, really resonates with what we've been saying about I've been living in my head. I don't even know what you mean when you say be in the body. Like, what does that even feel like? Um, I think for this is really step one. Like, can we can we just slowly explore and be curious about what that what that feels like to be more in the body? Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 37:03

Lovely. Well, I will put all the links up underneath the episode so um we can all have a listen to this, to that. So one thing um I do ask all my guests, um, is there one thing that you do spiritually? It doesn't have to be spiritual, but is there one thing that you do that helps you feel really centered and balanced um day to day?

SPEAKER_00 37:32

And there's so many, there's so many different things that come to mind, you know, drinking enough water, getting enough sleep, all of these different things. Because they really do, they are sort of that ground hero, right? Um, but I want to give you something a little more interesting that I've just kind of become more aware of is this commitment to listening. And and it it's like a daily commitment that I've made to myself to be a better listener. Um, and it impacts all different areas of my life. So I'm listening more to my own body. I'm listening more when I'm out in the world. So, like, you know, using that sense of hearing to bring myself into more presence. And the most impactful one is I'm listening when I'm in conversation or in spaces with other people. And like really listening to understand and to connect rather than you know, just waiting for my turn to talk, so to speak. Um and that simple practice has really, really transformed things for me because it's made me more present. It's helped me to slow down, and it's helped me to bring, you know, more connection and more meaning into my life. Yeah. Um, so yeah, commitment to listening, I think, has has been a really great uh daily practice. I think I can frame it that way.

SPEAKER_01 38:58

I love that. Because it it can't help but bring you into the present. So you've got to be present in order to do that. Um, so yeah, I

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SPEAKER_01 39:08

love that. Thank you very much. That's that's great. Thank you so much for coming onto the podcast. It's been lovely to talk to you and to hear about your work. Um it it's been a real pleasure.

SPEAKER_00 39:22

Thank you, Natasha. It's been my pleasure as well.

SPEAKER_01 39:25

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