Joyful Voice channelling with Freda Maletsky

Channelling can sound dramatic until someone explains what it feels like in real life. I’m joined by energy healer Freda Maletsky, who shares how her spiritual gifts switched on later in life after years of clearing trauma and limiting beliefs. We get honest about the way people give their power away by chasing the “easy answer”, and why learning to feel what’s actually in your system can change everything from emotional triggers to how you move through the world.

Freda then breaks down what semi-trance voice channel work really is, including how she learned to step back so a specific consciousness can speak through her voice while she stays safe, grounded, and discerning. We talk about energetic hygiene, protection, and why channelling is still filtered through the human nervous system unless you keep doing the inner work. If you’ve ever wondered whether channelling can be learned, or how to avoid fear and fantasy, this will help you think more clearly about the process.

We also explore Elisabeth, the energetic frequency Freda channels, described as a divine feminine presence beyond time and space. The guidance is surprisingly practical: prayers into drinking water, green leafy greens for the heart space, and a steady return to the land. We go deep on nature consciousness, talking to trees, and why modern time pressure and physical tightness can block expanded states. If energy healing, chakra clearing, meditation, light language, and intuitive development are on your path, you’ll leave with grounded ideas to try straight away.

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Freda Maletsky 

Website - fredahealing.com 

Podcast on YouTube at https://www.youtube.com/@FredaHealing 

Transcript

SPEAKER_00 0:26

So, welcome everybody to another edition of Balm to the Soul. Uh, I'm your host, Natasha Joy Price, and I'm an energy healer, I'm an author, and of course a podcaster. And today we have Freda Meletsky joining us on the podcast. So, welcome Freda. Thank you ever so much for supporting the podcast.

SPEAKER_01 0:49

It's wonderful to be here. Thank you so much for having me.

SPEAKER_00 0:52

Oh, it's lovely, and I love the um symbol behind your head. That's beautiful.

SPEAKER_01 0:57

Yes, we have the Messica Pisces. I painted this to sort of just that big reunion.

SPEAKER_00 1:03

Yes, it's beautiful, beautiful. Thank you. So Freda is an energy healer and she's a semi-trance voice channel for Elizabeth. Is that right?

SPEAKER_02 1:14

Yes.

SPEAKER_00 1:15

And we're going to talk about both those. So, first of all, let's talk about energy healing. What sort of energy healing do you do? Or do you not put a title to it? Are you just connecting with people's energy and how does it work for you?

SPEAKER_01 1:29

Yeah, um, so what happened was I did a lot of healing work for myself. And then as I began to do that healing work, I had spiritual gifts come online. So I'm a late bloomer in terms of like the all of this being rather new to me. It's all happened within my 40s. So I've been at this now six years, and it came through me doing incredible work on myself, clearing the trauma and limiting the leaps from my system. And what it showed me is that everyone has the ability to connect to their higher selves. Everyone has the ability and multisensory gifts in some form when they're open to clearing their channels, when they're open to doing this work. So when I say energy healer, I want to help people help themselves. So help them clear things out of the way in order for them to connect and get their own answers for them.

SPEAKER_00 2:21

Yeah. I would call myself a late bloomer, actually. I've never thought of it like that. But I only started doing spiritual work in my 30s. So late 30s. Um, so yeah. And and so as people clear their stuff, do you think that we all have those gifts? We all um have spiritual gifts, but actually a lot of us can't see them for all the sort of layers of emotional baggage for a better word that we carry around with us.

SPEAKER_01 2:52

Yeah, I think that

Meeting Freda And Her Work

SPEAKER_01 2:54

we often have a tendency as humans to want to give our power away. What is the easy answer? What is the one, two, three? What is, you know, how can I fix this with a pill? When the truth of it that I sort of have found is if we go and are willing to feel the feelings to allow the light to meet us and transmute this energy, it goes away forever. And so we really can begin declare these layers of traumas that are stored within our bodies that we might not even know that are there. And it just starts to make one's life so much easier because we take things less personally. It just it we can navigate this lifetime easier when we aren't constantly at war with ourselves and at war with the world. And I feel like that's what this world helps do.

SPEAKER_00 3:43

Yeah, and at war with our

Energy Healing Through Self Clearing

SPEAKER_00 3:45

emotions as well. Yeah, definitely. I I completely resonate with that because um I didn't really realize that I needed to clear anything until I started. And then and then it's layer after layer after layer after layer, and you you evolve as a person and you change, and the way you deal with things change, and and like you and things are revealed, like you say, spiritual gifts, which is amazing. So let's talk, because this always fascinates me. Let's talk about you being a semi-trance voice channel. So, first of all, what is a semi-trance voice channel?

SPEAKER_01 4:25

Yeah, so um I started spontaneously channeling around 2024, um, and I didn't know what it was. My arms would shoot up and it would start just drawing in the air, signs and symbols, doing mudras, and I did not know what it was. Like the first time it happened, I was walking on the treadmill at the gym and it was like whoop. And I was like, I could stop this or I could let it come through. And I was like, let it come through, it's okay, you're safe. And then I would start singing like singing like spontaneously. This, and it was like what I came to learn was light language. Right. So I was listening to a podcast and heard um the teacher who I ended up studying with, she was on an episode of a podcast, and she is a semi-trance voice channel, and she taught me how to do this. And what it is is I get into a trance-like state, and then I drop out. So I imagine dropping off a boat sometimes or off into space, and I just sort of still connected, but just fly backwards, and then check in, and then Elizabeth is here, she has a sensation, she lets me know she's coming, and then I just let her in, and she's the one that speaks through my voice box and she will move my hands and stuff like that. I but it's a semi-trance because I can ask questions, I can become part of it, and I can dip back in. So a lot of original learning was how to stay out of the way. So, like what people are gonna ask me, I never want to know what that is, because then my logical mind, Frida, would get involved and I want to stay out.

SPEAKER_00 6:00

And she said, Sorry, I was just gonna say, so the teacher, how did your teacher start? Did she also spontaneously start channeling at at one point? Is that a is that is that how it starts for the majority of people, just spontaneously?

SPEAKER_01 6:17

She was working with a coach. She decided that she wanted to go deeper and deeper to work on finding um some peace for herself. And in the process of doing that, ended up spontaneously channeling while working with her husband, and then worked with a coach to learn more about well, what

Semi-Trance Channeling Explained

SPEAKER_01 6:39

is this? And she really practiced. So her whole jam, her name is Kim Charlson. She her jam is teaching people how to connect through a very specific way so that it's safe and methodical. Because I think a lot of channelers are just opening up and channeling, but maybe not knowing who they're working with or what they're bringing through. And she teaches you how to work with a very uh who wants to work with you, how do we identify their feeling, and just creating that bond and connection, which just takes quite some time. So I'm still a baby channeler, but I it's exciting, it's very so interesting though.

SPEAKER_00 7:21

When you train to be a medium, you have a gatekeeper. So is it a similar who who stops anything harmful or perhaps not very nice energies coming in? So is it some does she teach something similar? You have a gatekeeper that sort of keeps you safe, basically.

SPEAKER_01 7:40

Um hers is all about we clear everything out, so there's a lot of shushing away and making sure that the energetic space is clear. A lot of it's okay, guides, you can come back.

SPEAKER_00 7:51

So it's a lot of making sure that the space is set and very protected by guides and yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Fascinating. So if this doesn't start spontaneously, can you still train to be a channel?

SPEAKER_01 8:10

I absolutely think yes. Um, I think there's a lot of clearing out to do. So we have to remember that everything that comes through us is filtered through our brains, our memories, and our system. So I think that number one with channeling is really about clearing our chakra channel, like so that we can take in energy and move it all the way through. So getting this all in alignment. And like, quite frankly, to be honest, that's a lifetime's worth of work. It's like getting this really clear, getting it energy. So, like whatever is coming through is gonna bump up against our stuff.

SPEAKER_02 8:45

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 8:46

So it's my job to keep clearing my stuff so that it's not filtered through the stuff that's happened to me in my life, so that I can identify and know the cleaner I can get with that. I don't know if clear cleaner isn't the right word, clearer. Like just sort of letting those energetic blocks move out of the way so that the energy can just flow through in a way where it isn't bumping up against things.

SPEAKER_00 9:08

Yeah. Because presumably, uh, do you actually I was saying, does she cut are you interpreting the energy using your own voice? So so you that's why that it has to be clear in a way.

SPEAKER_01 9:26

No. Um, so she comes through and she uses my voice to speak through me. And sometimes she will move my hands to draw in the air and do pictures and stuff in the air. Um, however, I can be involved, and I think that's where it's important to be clearer. You know, anyone forgetting. Yeah, that I think part of the reason that I'm so focused on as a teacher helping people connect to themselves and get their own information is because it's going

Training Safely And Staying Clear

SPEAKER_01 11:15

to be coming through for them. Like for me to tell someone something would always be through the filter of my experience.

SPEAKER_00 11:23

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 11:24

But to help someone learn to connect to themselves and get the answers for themselves, that's empowering. And like that's them doing their work and really getting their A.

SPEAKER_00 11:34

Yeah. Yes. Okay. So who is Elizabeth?

SPEAKER_01 11:40

Uh, Elizabeth, as far as I understand, is um in energy of the divine feminine. Sometimes she says I, and sometimes she says we, although she does not as far as I understand, Elizabeth has never been a human on earth, although she has been recognized by cultures and communities in the past and important. This is a name that she chose for herself to operate through me. And it's just a name. It's it's but it is an energy of the divine feminine.

SPEAKER_00 12:21

So it could, in theory, be collect a collective that are talking as one. Yes. I have heard of that before. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 12:30

Yes, she sometimes says we and she sometimes says I. And again, I think that at this point, honestly, Natasha, I've channeled with Elizabeth probably about 150 times. So to me, that's a baby channeler. Like I each time I do it, and like when I have the opportunity, I'm so joyful to channel with other people because I learn more each time, but it's all very new.

SPEAKER_00 12:55

And so she's she's never been human, but has she been has she incarnated, do you know, on other planets? Where does where is she? Where does she reside at the moment?

SPEAKER_01 13:10

She says that she's been here before the history of many things. So she's watched things be created. Um is outside of time and space.

SPEAKER_00 13:24

Wow, that's interesting.

SPEAKER_01 13:27

It feels like something to me, it just feels like expansiveness. Yeah. But it those words don't make a lot of sense to my logical mind.

SPEAKER_00 13:40

I don't think it can, can it, to any of us? Because there's so much that we just don't understand. And that itself is a a filter, isn't it? That's because we live in this in this world, and we have a limited no offense to you, or but I think we all have a limited understanding of our of the space that we uh take up in the universe.

SPEAKER_01 14:10

Yes, I trust her, and she is making my life better.

Who Elizabeth Is And Isn’t

SPEAKER_01 14:14

She helps me uh understand how to not take things personally, she uh helps me understand that there is so much more than what we can see, and she helps me feel the vast expanse of all of this extra stuff.

SPEAKER_00 14:30

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 14:31

But who she is or what she is, she is an energy beyond time and space.

SPEAKER_00 14:36

And that's all she's telling you. So um, you say you've you've um channeled with her about 150 times. So do you do it on a regular basis? Um, and I know that you are you have a channel where you do it specifically.

SPEAKER_01 14:56

Yes, um, I started sharing her um in the year 2025. I started channeling on YouTube to show people what she was up to. And I've recently started doing episodes where I'm sharing her channeling with other people so that other people can ask her questions. And this is just wonderful practice for me. Um and then I have a morning meditation community where I teach morning meditation, and she loves to come in and teach during that. She likes to come in and raise the frequency of the group. Um, but I channel every morning, just sit there by myself and have now for um I don't know, a a while, like a year or so. I just sit there in the mornings and channel. It hasn't been a full year though. So time is irrelevant, but it's it's I learned how to do this in 2025. It's halfway through 2026. I don't know, how half a year, a year somewhere. Something like that. Nine months.

SPEAKER_00 15:49

Yeah. So um uh I mean it's fascinating. Do you ask her different questions about the universe or do you more ask her about what's happening in our world, or all and all of it, really?

SPEAKER_01 16:06

Why I love working with other people is I don't have a ton of questions. So honestly, what I ask her for often is can you help me work with my energy today? Is there anything that needs alignment in my system? Or if I'm dithering about a human thing, like, why do I only have 150 YouTube subscribers? Two two tiers, you know? It's like and she's just like there is a divine timing in all things. She she thinks I'm very silly. She thinks I'm very silly. She's like, because you're not ready.

SPEAKER_00 16:39

So does she talk as well about you know, um, physical things as well? Could she talk about? I suppose she could talk about anything.

SPEAKER_01 16:49

I suppose you just have to yes, she often tells me to put prayers into my water. So when I'm drinking water to speak I love you, or the prayer gratitude into the water when I'm drinking water, she um she often tells me to eat green leafy greens, and she tells a lot of people that she says that green leafy greens are especially good for working with our heart spaces, and that that's gonna help us open and expand our heart because the heart chakra is green, because the energy is, especially if we're able to grow this food ourselves, it's really filled with the love and attention that has been put into it, and that that's kind of where we're at right now. Um, I myself as a person am often very much directed to I talk to trees. That's like one of the first spiritual gifts that came online is I can talk to nature, the air, the water, and hear audibly hear back. And there's very much uh with Elizabeth as well, a returning to the land, a coming home to the earth. Um, it's time for folks to understand that everything has consciousness and that that our environments around us are alive. And if we slow down and and tune into that, we can turn on to the fact that that our our world is alive in a way that we can't see with our eyes. But if we're quiet and we listen, we can get involved with the world around us, and they have so many things to share if we're willing to listen.

SPEAKER_00 18:30

I love that you say that. I have a huge affinity with trees because I just think we uh we don't understand trees enough. We are not connecting with them in the correct way because when you think about it, they are we we are both on the same plane. Neither of us go off that plane. You know, they provide oxygen, they take away CO2, they provide chemicals for our mental health, you know, they talk to each other under the ground, they and we know all of that now. Um, but I so believe that we are not, you know, there's more to trees than we truly um than most people realize. So that's amazing that you can hear their responses and all of nature really.

SPEAKER_01 19:22

Yeah, trees love humans. Now, not every tree,

Water Prayers Food And Heart Space

SPEAKER_01 19:26

but as sort of a general statement, trees want they love us, they want to help us, they would like it to be a symbiotic relationship. Um, because we are here to work together, and they're if we they are constantly amazed at how distracted we are.

SPEAKER_00 19:43

Yeah, yes. I suspect we are distracted, aren't we? We we well, we are so focused on um just such a small sort of area of of our lives, our individual lives, you know, some people don't even know their neighbors, or you know, they're just it's about going to work, making money, paying the bills, and it's not about looking outwards and

Returning To Land And Trees

SPEAKER_00 20:13

opening outwards, and that's really what we need to do, isn't it? And I think that's coming more and more, but um there's a huge amount of scope, there's a huge amount of more that we can do.

SPEAKER_01 20:28

I definitely have a sense that a vast number of people are either waking up right now or they are on the precipice of waking up and there is going to be a massive return to the land. I can feel it. And uh yeah, I can feel it.

SPEAKER_00 20:44

And that's amazing, isn't it? And I love that. I shall be there. So um also, um, you do so you do private sessions with your clients. Do you do private channeling with people as well?

SPEAKER_01 20:59

Yeah, I have uh donation-based Elizabeth sessions, and I have them as donation-based at this point because I love the practice and it just seems that seems right to me. That seems fun. You know, I'm not gonna turn somebody away for talking to bigger.

SPEAKER_00 21:13

Yeah, your practice and and also to spread awareness of what channeling is about, because I think people still are um unsure what people actually do when they channel.

SPEAKER_01 21:26

Yeah, yes, and the process from the teacher that I learned is a very specific. So the semi-trance is very specific. Because, like, just being you probably do this too, just being energetically aware and tapped in. You probably bring information through your channel all of the time. Um, and and I know I do, but it's like that's sort of just from the everything. What are we bringing in this awareness? And this is about specifically learning to work with a consciousness or being entity, or you're working with one thing at a time, and it's not that you can't channel multiple different beings or energies, it's just sort of like learning to have that relationship really closely with one or yeah.

SPEAKER_00 22:13

When I um when I wrote my book, I am absolutely sure that I channeled some of that. Yeah. But who who who it came from I didn't connect to. But afterwards, and sometimes when I reread back things, I think, did I write that? You know, it just doesn't, it sounds different. So, yes, I do. I think a lot of authors channel writings, a lot of artists channel paintings, you know, because maybe you just go into that semi-trance state in a way. Um I get that.

SPEAKER_01 22:52

That Pixar movie Soul. Have you ever seen that? Soul, yeah. It's a Pixar movie. No. Oh my gosh, there is the way that they show the zone, an artist getting into the zone is so cool. Um, I would just recommend it because yeah, it's it's like you almost like rise up into this other form of consciousness and you're part of a different plane.

SPEAKER_00 23:21

Yeah. And I think that's absolutely true. Yeah. And people like Einstein and people like that also went into that state of being, I'm absolutely sure. And and a lot of people get information through their dreams as well, don't they? They they sort of bring in information that way. when they're not even conscious.

SPEAKER_01 23:43

No, does that happen for you?

SPEAKER_00 23:45

Uh I think it does. I have incredibly vivid dreams. I do try and write them down um to see if there is correlation as to what's coming through. But yes, I have very vivid dreams.

SPEAKER_01 23:59

I love that.

SPEAKER_00 24:00

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 24:01

I check out. I go to sleep and I wake up in the morning and I'm like really rare that I get anything at nighttime. I think I just peace out and come back.

SPEAKER_00 24:12

You might. I I have had colleagues who um they go somewhere else during the night. You know and I had two people that I knew that would go if there was a disaster somewhere in the world they would go and help. Their soul would go and help and one asked not to remember and one said I do want to remember and the one who remembered often would see the one who didn't want to remember and say to him oh I saw you in such and such helping so and so last night or whatever. So I think I think there are lots of people I know who do that who just go off and uh do that. And my dad bless him he um towards the end of his life he we had a long long chat and he told me that when he had a problem he would go and not physically but mentally he or in his mind he would go and sit on the roof and I said to him what do you mean you go and sit on the roof and he said no I would just exit my body and go and sit on the roof and work it out. And I was like now why have you never told me that but he just thought it was it was very normal. That's that's what everybody does no dad most people don't do that or they're not aware of it.

SPEAKER_01 25:39

So I think uh I think a lot of people are doing this but perhaps not not not putting a label on it or not talking about it perhaps and we have more um access to each other via the internet to realize oh is that what that is yeah exactly exactly so do you actually see Elizabeth do you see an image no all you all you do i well I say all what you're doing is and do you do you hear her oh yeah that's in that's fun um so when I'm not in the direct channel with her I can be connected to her um and I can hear her in my head so like I could ask a question and I will hear the response in my head but when I move into the semi-trance state I leave and she's the one doing the answering. So it's like formally um no I am not really involved I'm out but I can just be having a thoughts and then ask say would you be open to talking to me and she'll come and answer questions and it's like clear audience but it's not like hearing her voice as a voice it's just sort of like downloads like the they're just dropped into the center of my head like I can just know the answer.

SPEAKER_00 27:07

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 27:09

No and do you does your voice because she's manipulating your voice does your voice sound like your voice she sings and I don't sing no okay yeah she sings and um she'll sometimes she just um she speaks light language so it sounds like gibberish to my ears but it has a frequency of feeling that can be healing to me both me and then the person or people that I'm talking to it also works on them. So it's talking to the water inside of their bodies their blood their atoms the way that they're made it's talking to that has the resonance within especially the water speaking to the water within the body prayers because we are made of water and so when we put negative thoughts and feelings and limiting beliefs into the water that's flowing in our bodies she likes to um raise the frequency of the water so that it is filled with prayers and blessings and love.

SPEAKER_00 28:16

Yeah I love that I put I I use water in my book as a conduit between spirit and bringing information from spirit to the earth and people on the earth and um they could touch it and see images and get the messages. So I love that that's that's cool. Yeah so when when you feel her how do you know that it's the same energy I know that sounds but what what happens for you so that you know you know it's Elizabeth.

SPEAKER_01 28:52

Mm-hmm it feels very specific she feels like water um and she feels like uh she always comes from my left side and it feels like whoosh whoosh whoosh as if like waves are lapping against the body and then I say is that just Elizabeth so I'm going to identify because sometimes there's been a little piggybacker or something else and then that's not coming in then that's clear clear clear clear clear clear clear and then just Elizabeth so I know what she feels like and then I do have um another sort of divine masculine energy that has come in and is someone that I also channel with and they come from the right side and it's very different feeling. It's like an arrow uh in energy like poking into my heart but not in a bad way like a nice way but like penetrate penetrate penetrate to be like oh okay there you are you feel like that yeah and then I'll channel with trees and that's different because that's almost like making a connection so that I but I let them use my voice but it it's almost just like that's only it's heady it's only up here and it's only coming through my voice and that's more of a me involved channel. I don't drop out for trees I let them just use my voice but I'm here in the body that's so fascinating. I love that I would quite like to chat to a tree I think I I I I mean you absolutely can you just go out you can say may I touch you and then get quiet um they'll if they say yes or if you get that knowing you put both of your palms of your hands on the tree because we have a little chakra in the center of our palms and that's connected to our heart chakra. So we just put our place our hands and we have our feet flat on the ground and our they're gonna come up and taste your earth star chakra which is down below your feet below the root and there's like this they can know you they can know your heart and if you're quiet and it takes time you can introduce yourself you can tell them your name you can tell them your mother and father's name and your country of origin you can share about yourself and then um in time with patience and returning they will start to share with you it's pretty cool.

SPEAKER_00 31:19

Very cool I love that I shall definitely try that um yeah definitely so um and also you have a podcast don't you so you have a a channel with Elizabeth but you also have a different podcast as well don't you?

SPEAKER_01 31:39

Yeah I put it under the same umbrella so my YouTube channel is called Freedom Molecky Healing Arts and the podcast is called the Healing Artist and so we have Monday we have chit chat episodes where I talk to guests from all over the world or just run my mouth because I just love it. And then on Fridays we have Frequency Friday and that's Elizabeth gets to be the show on Fridays.

SPEAKER_00 32:03

Wow how exciting I just find it all so fascinating um I think for me I have tried some channeling but for me um I and maybe this is a common problem it's letting an energy in there's um there is a control issue with me like wanting to be in control and thinking oh I'm not so sure about somebody stepping in do you want to ask Elizabeth about it?

SPEAKER_01 32:40

I yeah definitely I don't know if I could answer that like I'm almost like oh I don't want to know the question but maybe she could answer it.

SPEAKER_00 32:50

Yeah I think I've just retired having worked in corporate for 30 years and I think it was more to do with that actually the state of being that I was in because as I've relaxed I've sort of unraveled not in a bad way but I can feel everything just relaxing and I feel like if you're really really really tense trying to channel all the energies trying to move in is going to be incredibly difficult.

SPEAKER_01 33:24

So maybe that was my that was uh the difficulty that I had before I love you sharing that something really interesting is you're right there's an expansiveness and in the learning of becoming the semi-trans voice channel I was they asked me to wear looser clothing because I used to wear a lot of athleisure like I don't like you know yeah they're just like they want me in a billowy tent. Like now I just I billow because like no tight clothes because um and uh I used to hold my tummy tight the muscles were held tight like I my girdle right oh I'm a I don't want to say a blah but a I'm an exhale yes and that almost never happens anymore I'm never tight so that when the tightness comes into play it actually is like a what's up

Freda’s Podcast Sessions And Practice

SPEAKER_01 34:16

what is that um so there's a there's a real loosening within meat the meat suit used to be tight and now it is um it's a flowier fit.

SPEAKER_00 34:27

Yeah more you're right and I've noticed that I've really noticed that physically um and the way I think and all about timing as well because if you're when you work nine till five it's time you've you know it's all you know it's really you've got to be at work on time you've got to go for lunch at a certain time you've got to you know meetings at a certain time and when you don't have that time becomes a bit more fluid as well um so I think probably a lot of us because of the way that we live our lives are stopping ourselves from connecting in this way a lot more yeah you know I'm thinking of when you're speaking I'm thinking of a sausage in a casing or

Control Tightness And Letting Go

SPEAKER_00 35:17

like like pantyhose squeezing then letting all go.

SPEAKER_01 35:22

Yeah and having that breathe out as you let it all go yeah but almost like think of it holding the rigidity for a while before it begins to believe that it's allowed to let go.

SPEAKER_00 35:34

Yeah yeah there's definitely um some sort of correlation there uh with being able to channel and you know the the physical tightness and probably the mental if you're constantly thinking about time you're sort of restricting yourself mentally in a way as well aren't you yeah so interesting yeah well you're certainly 100% on to something there. Yeah and I also connect to guides but I can see them in my mind's eye. So it's interesting I wonder if people I wonder if that's completely different but you know energies that come through to channel are not guides or do some people channel their guides? Definitely yes okay oh a whole new thing to practice Elizabeth could be called a guide I just didn't choose to call her that I call her an energetic frequency but she could be called a guide but normally when you talk to your guides they don't step in so that's just that that's the that's correct that's the bound that's the difference I think there. But I wonder if they could if they want if you allowed them to if you wanted them to um I think the answer to that would be yes. Yeah interesting very very interesting it's fascinating um and thank you so much for coming onto the podcast and sharing all your um amazing talents spiritual gifts with us and I will put up all the details about your podcasts and your Elizabeth sessions and things underneath the episode and I would really recommend people tune in because it's just so fascinating what people can do and and can learn to do. So it's all about energy isn't it and just feeling energy and just um being aware that there are other energies um I I find it all very fascinating as you can tell but hopefully the listeners do too and they will go and check you out. So thank you so much for coming on the podcast. It's been a real pleasure to talk to you. Thank you Natasha the pleasure is mine oh so fun so if you've enjoyed listening to Fraja and I talk about uh channeling please like and share you can also subscribe to the podcast for extra episodes um so I will speak to you all soon