Finding healing and a life purpose through writing with Sacha Hughes

Grief can break you open, but it can also point you towards the work you were meant to do. We sit down with debut author Sacha Hughes to talk about the real life roots behind her Soho Summers series and the emotional journey that runs underneath the laughter: losing her mum at 24, trying to outrun the pain through alcohol and chaotic dating, and the long path towards self love and self worth.

Sacha shares the moment everything shifted on a “Shirley Valentine” style holiday, where an unexpected connection on the Adriatic cracked her world back open. She returns home knowing it cannot continue in any simple way, and chooses a different response: she writes. We unpack how that decision becomes a creative breakthrough, how fiction can carry truth without becoming a memoir, and why stories about love and loss can help readers process their own bereavement. If you’re searching for romance novels with depth, or honest conversations about grief healing, this one will land.

We also dig into the practical side of the writing life: leaving a corporate recruitment career, finding ideas again once the pressure lifts, building scenes and characters, and capturing inspiration in the Notes app on long Dorset beach walks. Sacha talks about editing reality checks, why boundaries protect creativity, and the daily meditation practice that keeps her grounded and connected.

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Transcript

Welcome And Guest Introduction

SPEAKER_00 0:26

So, welcome everybody to another edition of Barn to the Soul. I'm your host, Natasha Joy Price, and I'm an energy therapist, an author, and of course a podcaster. And today we've got a lovely new guest, and her name is Sasha Hughes. So welcome, Sasha. Thank you for supporting the podcast. Oh, thank you very much for asking me on. It feels a real honour to be here. So thank you. It's my pleasure. So Sasha is an author, and she's got her first book, a new book coming out, Love, Grief, and More Sex than Pen Pinot. Pinot within the mind. And I've drunk it many times. So I don't know why I mispronounced that. So let's just dive in. What was your inspiration to write a book? It's your first book. So where did what where did that sort of thought process come from?

SPEAKER_01 1:23

It's it's really exciting. I find it very exciting because I've always known I had a story in me, always knew I had a story in me. One that was definitely full of self-sabotage. I lost my mum when I was 24 and I was working in London and I threw myself into desperately trying to find the man, the person to come and save me and fix me, um, combined with really grappling with grief and you know, many times wanting to sort of pass away myself when when mum did. So I drank a lot and I parted hard. And I knew that that period of my life, there was a very, it was very colourful. And I thought, I know that could really inspire, well, lots of 20-year-olds, 30-year-olds, you know, not to make the same disastrous dating decisions that I made. Yes, but I never had that happening ever after. So I was like, who on earth's gonna want to want to watch it or watch it? There's me, already got it as a rom-con. Who's gonna want to read it? And um, but honestly, but about a few years ago, I went on holiday and I had my very own Shirley Valentine experience. I met someone, I wasn't in it, wasn't intending to at all. I've been single for a very long time, I've been through a divorce, been single for about five, six years, and I met this gentleman on the first night, and I ended up spending a whole week with him, literally didn't leave his side, and it was the most mind-blowing, beautiful connection. And when I came back from that, I knew there was no way, given his Croatian postcode and my English one and family situations, there was no way we were going to be able to carry this on. And I'd done a lot of work on myself at that point, so I wanted to, instead of, instead of, you know, sobbing into the pillow for months and blah blah, I just thought I came back and I just started to write. I started to write. And I started to pour all these feelings, everything, the experience with him, onto the pages. And I realized I had a book kind of inspired by our time together. And then I was like, actually, there's a there's books before this inspired by my journey and how this girl in her early 40s got to be on a boat in the Adriatic saying yes to life, yes to him, yes to the universe. Like it felt like it was just a once-in-a-lifetime opportunity, really. And from then on, I've I've been writing. And so the last three years I've finished my Soho Summers series. The first book has been out for a couple of months um

Grief And Dating As Escape

SPEAKER_01 3:34

on Amazon and it's doing really well. Um, called Love, Grief, and More Sex and Pinot. It's it says what's in the tin. Yeah. Um, and the second book uh called Soho Summers versus Love, Life, the Universe, will be out in October.

SPEAKER_00 3:50

Wow, excellent. I think that's fabulous. Thank you. So you talked about the Roncom, and that interests me because when I was writing my book, I wrote it as if it was a drama on tele. So I had I could see the characters in my head. Um so is that how you wrote yours? Is that could you basically is that how you sort of worked out a scene because you could see it in your head?

SPEAKER_01 4:16

It felt it's really weird actually, because I I've got so immersed in my writing that it I sometimes struggle to know what was real and what wasn't. Like I'd come out of writing for hours and then I'd be thrown into the real world, and I also meditate every day. And it was there was a time when I was like, I don't really know what's real at the moment. It all felt like everything was quite an illusion, but definitely I did have the characters in my head, and even to the point, which might sound ridiculous, but it's true, even to the point where I can even imagine me being at uh in Leicester Square, sat there watching my book on the big screen, and the people next to me, like it wasn't even just the characters in the book I was imagining. I'm also imagining the after, you know, after part of that. I don't know whether every writer does that, but it's yeah, it's it's just inspires me, and yeah, I can see it.

SPEAKER_00 5:07

Great and great manifestation that, isn't it? Oh, you're gonna manifest for the future. Amazing. So you've not always been a writer, have you? Because you um had a time when you had quite a corporate job, a bit like me, and then and you've come out of it. Um, so what how did that transition come about and how have you found that transition?

SPEAKER_01 5:32

I in truth, the transition was very much children um led. Right. So I I had been working for 10 years at the same company um doing corporate or compliance recruitment for mainly for investment banks and asset managers and things within the financial services. Um honestly, it wasn't a job I loved. They were great, lovely company, very, very male-dominated, very booze fueled, you know. It was it at times it was great. And because I was running away from grief, it was, you know, I'd run to the pub with the boys at lunch and I'd be there after work. And so it kind of worked really well for me. But now I'm on this writing journey and I realize I'm so much more wanting to talk about feelings and understanding myself. And so luckily, when I met my ex-husband, um, he was working in finance and we we were able to for me to to finish work at that point. Um, the idea was always that I would then find something when the children, our youngest ones, started school. So I was able to be a hands-on mother, and then you know the relationship finished, and we then had lockdown, and so kind of the writings the luckily the writing's now taken over. Um it wasn't a conscious decision at that time to quit the corporate world and become an author, but I'm so delighted that it's turned out that way.

SPEAKER_00 6:49

Yeah, I'm delighted for you, and and I've found coming out of the corporate sort of environment, as you relax and sort of unwind a bit from that sort of high sort of ego competitive scenario that it is, you become more creative. It's almost like these things

The Holiday Connection That Opened Writing

SPEAKER_00 7:09

are in you, but they're kept suppressed when you're in that sort of environment. So when you come out of when you come out of it and you haven't got that nine to five, you get, I think, I've found, you get more creative, you get more ideas and yeah, just can delve into it more.

SPEAKER_01 7:28

That's brilliant because I think it's all in us, isn't it? I feel very much I was conditioned to have that job. And also I when I I found out my mum had cancer and it it was cut it'd come back and there was no way it was disappearing. And I was traveling at the time on my year out after uni. So that was that was then any uh ended up just being three months. Came back. My parents were like, right, you need to get a job. So I landed in recruitment, and it wasn't it was more social conditioning, really. Yeah, I just back now and I think I was not born for that world at all, and I'm not competitive. And I used to just sit in these meetings and wonder why everyone was getting so enthused about KPIs and targets and so competitive. And I'd sit there just thinking, oh my god, like I don't really care. I really didn't care, but I had to pretend to care.

SPEAKER_00 8:16

Yes, no, I think that's a very similar story. Um, and I was a single mum back then, so you know you wanted a sort of a corporate job to fund everything and look after your child, and but it's not actually what we want to do, really deep down. It's it's not designed, I think, um, for some people anyway.

SPEAKER_01 8:39

It it just never lit me up. Whereas now I'm so lit up and I love what I'm doing, and the inspiration lands every day. And whereas when I was in the corporate world, I used to I used to paraphrase what my colleagues have said because I'd have no ideas of my own because nothing ever landed.

SPEAKER_00 8:56

Yeah. No, that's amazing, isn't it? So talk to us about your process. I'm always interested in authors. Do you have like a little notebook for your it moments of inspiration, or do you just keep them filed away until you've got a moment to go and write them out?

SPEAKER_01 9:12

Or do you know I'm so grateful for my iPhone because the notes section, in fact, I when I look on the notes on my laptop, it almost um freezes because I've got so much information on my notes of everything down to the names in the book, like fun names that I was coming up with, little scenes, um, feelings, quotes, inspired quotes, you know, loads of stuff. So yeah, I was yeah, I feel like lots of the because I live in Paul in Dorset, so I'm very lucky very, very lucky to live here. And I do love going for a beach walk every day, a solo beach walk. And I used to, when I was writing this series like two, three years ago when I was really in the creative phase, I'd get up at four in the morning because my brain was so buzzing with all these ideas, and I couldn't wait to get to my laptop, and then I'd go for a really early morning walk. Um, and yeah, I'd just be writing things on my phone. And so luckily, I've never had writers' block. It's I've never I've never struggled, which I feel is because I'm on the right path.

SPEAKER_00 10:10

Yeah, and it's fun, isn't it? It's just fun to create and weave all different things into your stories and it is, it's really fun, and it's so healing and cathartic.

SPEAKER_01 10:21

Like because this character, a lot of Soho Summers experience are pretty similar to the sticky situations I once lived through. I have with my adult hat on and having been on a huge healing journey in the last 10 years, I've been able to let go of the pain of my mum going, and I clung on to that pain for 20 years. But because I was writing through the character of Soho Summers, her losing her mum, I sobbed. I even put weight on when I was writing that section. It was like comfort eating again. But I I managed to I managed to let go of the pain and and I've also seen what I'm capable of, and a big part of my own journey has been learning self-love and self-worth. And I feel through my writing, and now seeing that I'm I've published published a book, I've got my second book coming

Visualising Characters And Manifesting Success

SPEAKER_01 11:04

out. I'm I've almost you know, the self-love is there, like because I'm now seeing actually no, I I can do this and I am worthy. Yeah it's gonna make sense.

SPEAKER_00 11:14

And and it's gonna help other people, you know. You you going through that process of uh writing about grief, that in itself is gonna help other people as well who are going through a similar sana. I know it's a story and everything, and that's fine, but people people still relate, don't they? People still find healing from novels or stories, if it, if it's if they're feeling, you know, if that uh resonates with them at their period of life.

SPEAKER_01 11:43

Exactly. And I've had I've had some such lovely conversations with people. And also the lovely thing through getting this book out is I'm on podcasts like this, like amazing, meeting, gorgeous people who are, you know, like-minded. And one lady, she so she had read my book and she'd lost her husband about three, four years ago, and she's got teenage children, late teens, and she said she was not only sobbing for the character, she was sobbing for her her own grief, and then she was really sobbing for her children through reading my book because she was thinking, actually, I can now see it through their eyes. So because I had, you know, I was a young girl and I was yeah, so she it's just so interesting. I had no idea how much of an impact I would have on some people's lives and helping their grief or helping them just realise they're not alone in how baffling it can be and how it is.

SPEAKER_00 12:29

Yeah, I think that's lovely. So tell me, does the is it uh the same character that goes from the first book into Soho Summers? Yes, it's all the same. Following the the same character, she ages and moves on a bit with her life.

SPEAKER_01 12:46

She does. So the first book, she's lying in bed, passed out, I like to think, with a glass of Pinot next to her. Um, probably, you know, been parting for hours. You're not sure whether someone else might be in the bed or not. And then the second book, I'm not quite sure what the cover's definitely gonna be, but it's certainly she's waking up, okay? She's realizing that she's more responsible for her own life, the guy isn't gonna save her, fix her, and just yeah, waking up to herself and that it's all an inside job.

SPEAKER_00 14:32

So if one of your friends in your life, if they start reading the book, can they would they be able to recognize themselves? Have you got some of your friends and family in there?

SPEAKER_01 14:44

So I had a wonderful group of friends um in my 20s, and we're still really close now, called the Sushi Girls. And you know, we would meet, we'd meet on a Monday saying, We'll be sensible, we'll just have a we'll just have a cup of tea. That's it. Two in the morning, all the furniture's move, we're doing like I don't know, what's it called? The caterpillar or the worm. We've drunk loads of bottles of proseco, and it almost just became carnage. So they they really have been the girls I've been imagining in my head when writing lots of. So I've got a group in the book called The Why No Worms, and whilst it's not exactly the same, of course, it's I'm it they were those parts very easy to write because I was like, just imagine I'm back in the pub with them.

SPEAKER_00 15:27

Yes, um, and the conversations that you have, and yeah, yeah, yeah, exactly, exactly.

SPEAKER_01 15:33

Um, and as for the family things, it was yeah, I mean, not loosely, not not hugely at all, but just I felt like I kind of had to write about things that I I I knew of people have told me they've felt.

SPEAKER_00 15:47

Yeah, so it's yes, because people resonate with that, it's life experience, isn't it? And yeah. So what do you think um writing has brought you? Has it has it changed you, do you reckon? Do you think it's changed you as a person?

SPEAKER_01 16:04

So much. I'm a different person to the one I was three years ago. Three years ago, I was still, even though I'd done lots of when my I divorced in 2017, at that time I threw myself into reading as many spiritual books as I could, self-help books. I began meditating. I, you know, was learning that when we're the observer of our thoughts and the power of positive affirmations and gratitude and present moment living and all these things were starting, I was so fascinated. It that became

Leaving Corporate Life And Finding Creativity

SPEAKER_01 16:30

like my new, yeah, my new addiction. And um, but with the writing in the last three years, I feel my healing's gone to a much deeper level and my understanding of self. And not only I've I feel I was guided, I I I do see a lot of energy healers, and I've I was have for years was asking for my purpose because I always felt like everyone seemed to have this purpose and like this thing, and therefore I don't have mine, and therefore I'm not good enough and I'm unworthy, and all those horrible thoughts that I've kind of you know bat been battling with for most of my adult life. I feel the universe guided me to put pen to paper. I feel the guy I met on that holiday was a twin flame connection, got me on my soul path, and it's it's it's it's made me realize I'm connecting so much with my heart space. And for much of my life, when mum had died, I would distract with looking for the guy, drinking, even drugs at times. And now I am firmly so connected to my heart, and I feel like everything I do now is heart led and is aligned, and I'm in flow, and that's why it feels easy. It's changed me, it's changed me beyond recognition. I'm that's amazing. I love it.

SPEAKER_00 17:39

Really lovely to hear that you know you've you've worked your way through that because it can be really destructive, can't it? If if you hadn't have done that healing, it could have been quite destructive for you. But finding your way out in such a creative, fun way as well.

SPEAKER_01 17:57

Yeah. Someone I've I think I've read somewhere recently how because for years I felt like I was in pain and I'm trying to work out the suffering, give it meaning so I can one day turn it into a gift. And now I feel like my pain's becoming my medicine because it's what I'm talking about in the book, and it's now what I'm talking about on this podcast, and it's it's lighting me up now because I've come out the other side of it and I've now got the awareness of it and I've grown through it, and it was awful at the time. And would I ever want to go back there? Probably not. However, I'm very grateful because it's led me to where I am today. So it's funny, isn't it? It's weird.

SPEAKER_00 18:33

Yeah, it is, but that's the thing, I think. We have to look at those trials and tribulations with gratitude because you know, hopefully we have learnt from them and moved on, and you certainly have in a great way. So that's amazing. Thank you. So, what what would you say to somebody who was thinking about writing a book? Um, you know, uh a woman who was thinking, she's got an idea, but she thinks, you know, I can't do that. I haven't got the energy to do that.

SPEAKER_01 19:05

I would I think if if it if it's a if if it's an idea that that is from your heart and it lights you up, you find the energy, you prioritize it. It's like giving for me, it's not like I've been giving birth to a third child. Um I and you start nurturing it and you become quite um protective of your boundaries. Like my social, I have no social life, but I'm probably the happiest I've ever been because I'm actually working, I feel like I'm working on my purpose. And I feel yeah it's if it really is something that that is is being called through you, you'll you'll do it and it will and you'll grow and you'll learn so much about yourself, and it can only be a healing thing, really. It can only be something to to make you stronger, wiser, more you know, raise your awareness. It can be it's so it's so rewarding. Don't don't just don't give up, keep doing it, believe.

SPEAKER_00 19:58

And you come across so passionate about it, and I always say to people, find your passion because that energy of passion and uh you know that you're talking about, it does light you up, doesn't it? And it does shift your life, whatever it might be. It might not be writing, but it might be something else that somebody's passionate about, and yeah, go just start doing it.

SPEAKER_01 20:20

Exactly. I feel like that's the thing. Once you start, you kind of can't stop. Well then there, you're in it.

SPEAKER_00 20:27

And somehow, how do I live without this sort of thing?

SPEAKER_01 20:30

Yes, it is like that, and for the first time, like my children when they were younger, but I mean, they're obviously still my total priority, but for the first time the last three years, I've been like, oh darlings, mummy's busy, you know, I'm just gonna do this, whereas before I would drop everything and be there. But I love it that much, and so I've had to learn how to get healthy boundaries in with beings. Yeah, um, but it's good for them to see me have my other baby and to see that I'm working so hard and I'm passionate about it and I'm following my heart. And you know, there's so many examples, there's so much goodness that's come from it.

SPEAKER_00 21:02

Um yeah, absolutely, and that example of you saying that, just finding space for yourself as well for what you're passionate about. I think so many women don't find space or say they can't find space um to do what they want, but you you you've got to just find a way, don't you?

SPEAKER_01 21:21

I think so. And I think for me it's was the the meditating really, because for years I did do that before, and I was always asking the universe, please can you help me find my purpose? And I think if you can just sit for sort of 10-15 minutes every day in silence and really just try not to think and just connect with your heart, then suddenly it's like this the thing that you're meant to do, I feel, arrives. It will arrive, maybe not instantly, but it gets you. You build up that connection with I feel with the universe, and then you become more of a co-creator with the universe, and it it does it is there to get you on your highest timeline. So you have to it's like going to yoga, not that I do yoga, but going

Notes Apps Beach Walks And Daily Flow

SPEAKER_01 22:00

to yoga every day or something. You have to turn up the hardest time turning up every day.

SPEAKER_00 22:04

But that's right, and then you start meeting people, don't you, that are on a similar track or that could know somebody who could help you or so true. Yeah, those threads start start binding together. Yeah, yeah, absolutely. So I know you've got a book coming out. Did you say October, Soho Summers? Yeah, what but what about is that you're gonna did you say you were gonna do a third one as well? What what future projects have you got going on in your head?

SPEAKER_01 22:34

Well, the third one is kind of in progress at the moment. Funnily enough, I've I've written a trilogy, I sent the middle book to my editor. So the first book he we'd worked on and it was kind of nearly published and all good. Second book, he was like, This is absolutely atrocious. Oh no, I was like, oh my god, but I th I thought it was good. But in honesty, he was like, No, no, no, we need this to be as as impactful as the first book, otherwise you're cheating your readers, right? Yeah, and also it was a bit shorter because I had a trilogy and I was a bit like, well, the middle one's gonna have to be a bit shorter. But like again, you're you know, you're what's it called? You're you're misleading, not misleading your readers, but they'll be expecting a book of a certain size. So he then just was like, right, you need to bring what you thought was your the final bit of the trilogy, make that the ending of the first of the second book. So now I almost don't really have the trilogy, but in my head, I'm I know what the third book is gonna be. And it's it's almost like it's being it's it's it's growing as I'm as my awareness is growing. Um and it will be very, very different. It will still be Soho Summers, but. Be a very different feel to the first book. I still always want it to be fun and inject fun into it, but it will be much more. She's arrived. She's home. Yeah. She's found.

SPEAKER_00 23:50

Well, she's evolved, hasn't she? So it's going to be very different. Exactly. So when you write, how do you write? Because I'm always interested. Because I when I wrote my book, I came up with like a scene that's in the middle first. Love that. And then was, well, what do I do with that? And then it sort of evolved in a spiral, sort of, you know, to a book. So do you write from page one to the end, or how do you how does it work for you?

SPEAKER_01 24:22

I yeah, I mean, I've I suppose I wrote the the final book at the time was inspired by this experience with the guy. So I kind of did it backwards. Then I went back to the beginning. Um with the opening chapter, I had no idea really. I knew it had to be, it has to be impactful, doesn't it? It has to be a page turner. And yeah, I had loads of drafts of that. But then when I landed on the opening chapter, is now she's in the pub with her wine, the wine o worms, and they are in their twenties and they're talking sex, drugs, rock and roll, men, willies, everything, and it's just raucous and wild, but it's fun. And once I landed on that, I was like, I just ran with it, it was brilliant. And I feel like it was so sometimes it was so frustrating because I I thought I'd have a really good idea, and so I might spend a week trying to, you know, I couldn't perhaps find the right words, or it wasn't quite landing. And then and I realized now as I started to mature more with my writing, I feel like that was really the universe just saying, just stop. Like you get from it's not good, that bit isn't good, but I feel like my human ego would get involved and I'd be thinking, no, I I want to write this and I want to include it. But as I the more I progressed, the more I learned to just I'd go for a walk at those times, or I would I'd think, right, okay, this clearly isn't working, and then I'd come back and I'd have a fresher head and I'd realise why it wasn't going to work, and I'd go on another tangent and suddenly it all flowed again. So yeah, it's I'd I every day I would show up every single day and do as much as I could. Um, and yeah, it just it has just poured really out of me.

SPEAKER_00 26:02

Yeah, that's brilliant. It is a process though, isn't it? It really is a process. When you start writing a book, you think, oh, it's quite a long, it's it's quite a lot to do this. So amazing that you're doing so well. That's brilliant. So, where um are your books available?

SPEAKER_01 26:19

So it's the Love Grief and More Sex and Pinot is on Amazon right now, it's on Kindle and Paperback, and the audio book will be out very shortly, probably within the next two to four weeks, um, which I'm narrating, which has been really fun to do as well. Yeah. Um and then, and I will also in time, because there has been so much, like you say, it's a process because I've had to learn how to like, I don't know, just do all the technical stuff behind getting the book out there. Yeah. And um I oh sorry, completely forgot to. That's it. In time, it will also be available on my website. Um, but I haven't got quite round to that yet.

SPEAKER_00 27:00

No, but you have got a website that people can go and have a look at. What's your website? It's sashahughes.com.

unknown 27:06

Lovely.

SPEAKER_00 27:07

So www.sashahues.com. Yes. Excellent. Um, so one thing I I ask all my guests, um, and you've sort of touched on it a bit in what you were saying, but is there one spiritual thing that you do every day that just really helps you stay centered and balanced?

SPEAKER_01 27:27

Yeah, it I would be the meditating. It

Writing Through Grief Into Self Worth

SPEAKER_01 27:30

really would be. I s I enjoy it. I I I really notice if I don't do it, and it's it's just so peaceful. Or sometimes it's so you get little sometimes I get signs and things, you know, and visuals come through either in the meditating or or you know, a few hours later or later that week. I feel like it's it's guided me, it's guided me to here, and I don't I honour it now. I'm it it's very rare that a day would go past where I haven't meditated.

SPEAKER_00 28:04

That's amazing, yeah. And again, that's giving yourself space, isn't it? And I think that that's the key to creativity.

SPEAKER_01 28:12

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 28:13

In my in my experience, definitely.

SPEAKER_01 28:15

I think so. And also it's another thing teaching the young children. Well, they're 10 and 12 now, but I do say if I haven't had a chance to do it during the day when they're at school, they're used to me saying, you know, in the early evening or whatever, guys, I'm just gonna go upstairs for 15 minutes and can you be really quiet? And and I also I quite like that because it makes them like I'm practicing what I'm preaching, and I want them to discover it if you know, if they're ready in that way inclined, but far earlier on than I ever did.

SPEAKER_00 28:43

Yeah, absolutely. My yeah, my kids used to, if they hurt themselves, they'd come and say, Mum, can I have a Reiki? Because that's what I did. But it was just normal for them. Yeah. So when if they've got a parent who meditates every day, it just becomes a normal thing, doesn't it? It just becomes part of life.

SPEAKER_01 29:01

It really does, yeah. Yeah. I feel like it should be a normal. Well, I'm my wishes that it was a normal thing for everyone. Yeah, we're not there quite yet, but maybe one day it will be.

SPEAKER_00 29:12

Yeah. Absolutely. Brilliant. Thank you so much, Sasha. I've really enjoyed um hearing about your books. Oh and good luck for the future. I'm sure you don't need it. So passionate, and that's which is amazing to see.

SPEAKER_01 29:28

Well, thank you. And I'm so grateful for you for honouring me this time to come on and talk about it. And it's been, yeah, really lovely to um to talk about my book and to thank you so much, you know.

SPEAKER_00 29:39

My pleasure, my pleasure. So if you've enjoyed listening to Sasha and I talk about her new books, then please like and share. You can support and subscribe to the podcast, and I will speak to you all soon.