The Crackin' Backs Podcast

New Year's Revival: Break 3 Draining Habits with Dr. David Mehler

January 01, 2024 Dr. Terry Weyman and Dr. Spencer Baron
The Crackin' Backs Podcast
New Year's Revival: Break 3 Draining Habits with Dr. David Mehler
Show Notes Transcript

Welcome to 'Crackin' Backs' with Dr. David Mehler, a trailblazing podcast where transformation, health, and wellness converge to start your New Year with a bang!

As 2024 unfolds, Dr. Mehler becomes your guide to setting realistic, yet ambitious health and wellness goals. His advice is not just practical but rooted in the latest scientific research, tailored for anyone eager to make this year their healthiest and most fulfilled yet.

Endorsed by Tony Robbins for his life-altering techniques, Dr. Mehler delves into the science and art of Chiropractic and healthcare, offering insights that are both groundbreaking and deeply personal. His story is a testament to the power of resilience and innovation in the face of life's challenges.

But there's more – Dr. Mehler is on a daring mission to redefine masculinity. In a segment that promises to be as enlightening as it is controversial, he addresses the three most destructive habits men are prone to and offers a roadmap to reclaiming a healthier, more balanced masculine identity.

And for those caught up in the whirlwind of modern life, Dr. Mehler offers invaluable tips on maintaining sustainable health practices. These aren't just tips; they are life hacks for thriving in today's fast-paced world.

Tune in to 'Crackin' Backs' for an experience that's more than a podcast – it's a journey to a better you. 

Join Dr. Mehler as he breaks down complex wellness concepts into actionable steps, inspiring you to transform your health, mindset, and life. The journey starts now!"

We are two sports chiropractors, seeking knowledge from some of the best resources in the world of health. From our perspective, health is more than just “Crackin Backs” but a deep dive into physical, mental, and nutritional well-being philosophies.

Join us as we talk to some of the greatest minds and discover some of the most incredible gems you can use to maintain a higher level of health. Crackin Backs Podcast

Dr. Spencer Baron:

Welcome to a special new year's edition of cracking backs with our very special guest, Dr. David Mehler. Today's episode isn't just a podcast, it's a wake up call to revolutionize your life. Dr. Mehler, a visionary in health and wellness, a master of igniting the passion for health from within, endorsed by none other than Tony Robbins is here to unravel his extraordinary journey of transformation, get ready to be captivated by his personal story that's not just inspiring, but life changing. But that's not all. Dr. Mehler is on a bold mission to redefine masculinity for the modern man and the femininity in women. Today, he'll expose the three most destructive habits holding men back and how to overcome them. This segment will challenge your perceptions and ignite a new perspective. As we step into 2024 Dr. Mehler shares his invaluable insights on setting realistic, achievable health and wellness goals. His advice, more than just tips. They're game changers for anyone looking to make his year there healthy as yet. And in our relentless race against time, how do we maintain a balance? Dr. Mehler will unveil his top strategies for sustaining health in our fast paced world. strategies that are practical, effective and transformative. This is a cracking backs where every episode is a step toward a healthier, more empowered you. Don't just listen, transform with us. Your journey to wellness starts here. And right now. Hey, today we got Dr. David Mehler. And it's Oh, Grant, welcome to have you on. I love your history. I get so excited about boys, you actually just got goosebumps just even thinking about what we're going to talk about today. We got started yet.

Dr. Terry Weyman:

He goosebumps really easy.

Dr. Spencer Baron:

So we got we got some total interest in your personal journey and all this transformation that you you have been brought through. Can you just get started and share with the audience? Your early beginnings until now in a wonderful conversation?

Dr. David Mehler:

Absolutely. Well, first of all, thank you for having me. It's and happy holidays to everybody.

Dr. Terry Weyman:

Yeah, happy New Year,

Dr. David Mehler:

Happy New Year's. So yeah, I'm told by my parents that my journey began when I was about five years old when they would hear stories of me coaching other kids in kindergarten and nursery school and standing up to the bullies. And just always helping people get out of pain and be more happy and be more joyous. So I think it started at a, at a really young age, when most kids would say I want to be a cowboy or an Indian, or a firefighter. I think my mission was to just help people be more happy and have more joy in their life.

Dr. Terry Weyman:

So how did how did you get into where you are now? I mean, that's going from five years old to a man of fire. That's it. That's quite the journey. And, you know, you, you kind of transformed a lot that you know, most people find a career and they just stick into it and they see it for the rest of your life. You have like maneuvered

Dr. David Mehler:

where that come from? Yeah, thanks for asking. So this is actually really amazing. What happened to me is that after college, pretty much, you know, had my father demand that I get a job right out right out of school. And I was selling photocopy machines in 1989. And I would wake up every single day with ulcer type sensations and symptoms. The doctor said, well, it runs in the family. So you should take these medications, eventually, you'll need surgery. And I came up with the genius idea of I'll quit my job. And the next day I woke up and all of a sudden the ulcers were gone. So my father sat me down and he said, here's the thing. I don't want you to bounce around from job to job like I did at your age. I'd love for you to discover what you're most passionate about. And I'll do whatever it takes to support you and your passion. But your new job for the next six months, is you get out of the house at nine o'clock you can get home you can come home at five, go discover what you love, go discover what you're passionate about. And I wrote down a whole list of different things such as you know, therapist, physical therapist, chiropractor, all these things, and I started visiting different practitioners and doctors. And every time I would go to a chiropractor's office, I saw that they were having fun they had a giant smile on their face to pay Students were leaving the office with a smile on their face. And so I started asking them if you could start all over again, what school would you go to. And next thing, you know, I went off to chiropractic school and I became all of a sudden a student that had an interest in, in something for the first time in my life. And I was totally on fire with wanting to serve people. And I got so deep into the philosophy and the science behind chiropractic, which was all about just helping a person tap into their own innate, inborn wisdom and intelligence. And rather than trying to fix somebody, or remove a symptom, it was more about enhancing their own capacity to do the internal healing for themselves.

Dr. Spencer Baron:

Gosh, that's great. Love that stuff. And then the transition continued. Yeah,

Dr. David Mehler:

well, so for 20 plus years, I had the privilege and the honor to serve people in Manhattan. And I found a chiropractic technique when I was graduating from school that was called Network Spinal Analysis, which really just fit who I am from the inside out, where you have this amazing opportunity to do the least amount of intervention to create the maximum type of results. And it's all based on a very gentle touch, to help the body learn how to become self dissipative, you know, remove its own tension, and reorganize. And actually, it started to delve more into the realm of consciousness, the work that I got involved with actually helps a human being evolve his consciousness. So for 20 plus years, I was doing that. And I started to develop this itch of well, what if I could take this outside of the four walls of my office? What if what if I could serve this in a more intimate environment and host intimate retreats. And next thing, you know, my wife and I started hosting retreats called Soul powered, where we were helping people dropped from their head into their heart. And because most people are stuck in their head, right, we've heard the famous saying, by the big guy, get in your head, your dad or analysis paralysis. So we felt most of the problems that people have is they're trapped in their head. So let's let's inspire them to learn how to actually move from the sacred journey from the head into the heart. And I would work with the men in the morning and my wife would work with the women helping them get into their feminine flow into their, their true feminine energy and I would work with the men and you know, light a fire under their ass and, and literally help them reclaim that core tribal primal energy that's been lost and forgotten, and help a man like reclaim himself in a very organic and authentic way. And that's where a man of fire evolved, because then my wife wanted to do her own thing. And she started a company called wild woman in love helping alpha type women that have kind of relied on their career, but they've avoided being vulnerable and intimate. And because deep down, they really want to soften and be in a romantic relationship. That was her journey. And then I started working with men that wanted more passion, more power and more purpose in their life. And hence, magnifier was born 10 years ago, right around 2015. Wow,

Dr. Terry Weyman:

that's pretty cool.

Dr. Spencer Baron:

Let me ask you a network character is that Donald Epstein stuff?

Dr. David Mehler:

Yeah, he developed it in the 1980s. And

Dr. Spencer Baron:

where he manipulates the meninges or CSF or, you know, cerebral spinal fluid. Is that Is that the one?

Dr. David Mehler:

Yep, a part of it absolutely. involves working with the meninges and the spinal cord itself. I

Dr. Spencer Baron:

gotta tell you then, I witnessed at a Dade County chiropractic Society meeting. I'm telling you must have been 3534 years ago, done Donnie came in and he performed it. And he took one of our friends who was the most stoic, unexposed expressionless chiropractor. And watching him writhing and laughing on the table. And getting up at changed him completely. The guy moved out of South Florida and started network chiropractic. It was I was fascinated to this day, I still am in disbelief about it. Wow, for you. Good for you. Wow. And can you just

Dr. Terry Weyman:

can you take a side note? And I've heard of network chiropractic? I know it was the same thing. Can you explain just a little side note about how that works? Because I don't know really much about it. Yeah,

Dr. David Mehler:

thanks for asking that. I'm going to instead just share with you my own personal experience that I haven't, because I'm less concerned with how it works. And I'm more concerned with the outcomes that it gets. So I know this in 1994. I laid down on a table of a practitioner that was doing network Spinal Analysis. This was about six months before I was graduating from chiropractic school. And it was my fifth session. The first four I didn't feel anything but I saw people in the office were making these weird movements like a dolphin on the table. They were making all sorts of sounds having emotions. I came from the Bronx, so I'm like, these guys are just weird. This is whacked. Next thing you know, on my fifth session, my body starts flying around like a dolphin. I start screaming crying loud thing sweating uncontrollably, but it felt amazing. Like it was a catharsis. And something happened. You know, at the end of that visit, where when I sat up, I had tears coming out of me and words coming out of me without thought. And I kept saying the words, thank you. And what I experienced in that moment was three things. Number one, I felt the experience of gratitude. You know, like, I remember, my father bought me a car and you say, Hey, thanks, dad. But I didn't really know what gratitude was, I knew how to say thank you. But I actually felt the embodiment of gratitude. I also felt the embodiment of grace or a higher power, like an omni presence. And when I had finally opened my eyes, the third thing that happened is I looked down at my hands. And they were the hands of a five year old little boy, where I could recall where my innocence, my purity, my playful spirit was taken from me, just like many men out there, whether it was sexual abuse, physical abuse, emotional abuse, something happened in your life that made you shut down and lose that purity that you see in children, one day that sparkle that gleam in their eyes is gone. In that moment, on that table, I felt that five year old little boy come home. And the next words that came out of my mouth where I have to learn this, I have to learn this. And I've been doing it ever since. And it's one of the main modalities that we use in our organization, man of fire to actually help men get out of their heads and reclaim that passionate little boy, the purity and the innocence and playful spirit. Because the fundamental cause behind all disease today is the innocence of the little boy, or the little girl has been lost.

Dr. Terry Weyman:

Thank you. Thank you. That was that was with uh, that's, that was fantastic. I'm gonna say on that, actually. Because you're on, you're on a mission to bring back the masculinity and men. And I know this may be a controversial topic right now, which is should it be. But you share three destructive habits that men make. And why do you think men are in the position? They're in now? What what has society done to men that we need to reclaim men back? And Why are men lost? Yeah,

Dr. David Mehler:

it's a beautiful question. And I'll do my best to bring it to something that's simplistic. Just about every problem that we have in this world could be tied down, or connected to this simple answer of consciousness. And what do I mean by consciousness is, I always tell people that how they how they see things is correct. You're always right, no matter what opinion somebody has, no matter what perspective somebody has, hey, you're right, you're right how you see it. But not every way of seeing things resides at the same tonal frequency resides at the same consciousness, meaning we're here to grow, we're here to become more awake, more evolved. And when you become more awake, you can see how you used to see things. And you can laugh about it, but you realize you now are higher up on the mountain where you could see more than you used to not be able to see. So the problems that we're dealing with in humanity, whether it's masculinity, or whether the fact that we still have World War really has to do with we're still trapped in the same tier of consciousness. So the game I'm after the game like a Tony Robbins, after Donnie Epstein is after we're here to uplevel the consciousness of humanity. Otherwise, we just keep repeating. It's a hamster on the wheel, and the same problems happen over and over and over again. So that's really what's the fundamental thing that I'm doing in this world is to help a man raise his vibration raises tone raises frequency, and become a nodal point where he's the head, grandfather clock, meaning if you put 10 grandfather clocks, in a room together that are inanimate objects, and they're all tick talking at a separate pace, within 24 hours, they will all entrain to the one with the slowest rhythm, just like two women living together, one will in train to another woman's frequency. This was developed by Hans Celia scientists, where he had heart cells in a petri dish. And as they approximated each other, they started synchronizing. So we're here to, to make it where the culture can no longer you know, pull you into the toxicity of where most of the humanity resides. And you grow your frequency, you grow your vibration, you grow your wavelength, to a point where it no longer can the culture and train you but instead, you're pulling the culture with you. So we're after being the nodal points in all the circles that we interact intertwine with, where we're the leaders that are really needed right now in this world, which is a man that is fully living in his power and from his heart, as opposed to from his head where he's using force as opposed authentically being in his power.

Dr. Spencer Baron:

Can I ask some clarity on or even just for the listening audience? You know, you have two types of males, you have the alpha male and you have the masculine male, do you? Well, I am, correct me if I'm wrong, you know, my understanding is you know, we all for many years strive to be the alpha male, you know, To dominate to be leaders and stuff like that. But I realized not too long ago, that that's not necessarily the approach alpha males dominate, and they tend to oppress or you know, it's always a competition where the masculine male shows up in a manner that I believe you're describing here. And that is, you know, go ahead, good.

Dr. David Mehler:

Yeah, well, just for, you know, the audience's purpose, you know, I have a tendency to not like to discuss things where we haven't defined what we mean by certain terms. So if you use the word energy, or spirituality, or God or masculinity, not everyone's having the same conversation if we don't define what we mean by that, so but for what I understood, and how you describe this, what I'm what I'm speaking to is what we would call an integrated, male man that is very in touch with his feminine energy and very in touch with his masculine energy. The feminine energy is the part of us that can sense that can feel that can have empathy that can have compassion, and could connect to love like today, I'm in a place where if I have a bug in my house, whether it's an ant, or a gnat, or a little microscopic bug, I can't even kill it, right, because I've developed my sensitivity, I have a reverence for life a sacredness for life. But then there's also of course, that part of me that has a primal tribal energy where if someone was coming to hurt my family, you, you bet that I can't let the sensitive part of me take over that moment, I have to do whatever it takes to protect my family. The problem is, is that most men that connect into that primal energy, they do it in a way where it's immature, it's kind of like the teenager that punches the wall and leaves a hole in his door or a hole in the wall. It's the guy that gets into fistfights. The idea is to be able to tap into that energy, where you don't project your emotions onto anything, or anyone. Most men haven't learned this. And so men have a belief that's invisible to them that number one, if I were to unleash this rage, or this fury, this anger inside of me, number one, I'm afraid I might kill somebody. And number two, even worse, if I were to show that part of me, people that love me would take their love away from me. So most men shut that down, they shut down that rite of passage to connect to that primal energy. And what happens later in life is they don't have the motivation. They don't have the drive, they don't have the hunger to go after life and live into their mission and their deeper purpose. Because they, they stifled that part of themselves, maybe something happened earlier in life where they, they showed that part of them, but it was in an immature way. So a part of what we're after with Man on Fire is to teach a man how to reconnect with some of that primal energy. But do it in a way that's constructive. Do it in a way that further opens your heart not, don't do it in a way where you're creating fear for others, or you're projecting onto something or someone. And this is something that men need to learn because it's a core part of who we are. And it's, it's the man that can't connect to his energy of that primal energy, or the rage, or the frustration or the anger. That's the man that a woman should be afraid of, because that man is completely disconnected from who he is. But that same man also needs to learn how do I connect with that energy, but in a way that's constructive as opposed to create fear for others. And that's something that I'm passionate about teaching men how to do.

Dr. Spencer Baron:

It sounds like, oh, sorry, I just want to mention, it sounds like you're, you're expressing a metaphor that I tend to enjoy using. It's the you know, the white belt in martial arts goes around, you know, practicing and kicking everybody's ass. Whereas, you know, if when you become that 10th degree black belt, you have the sense of peace and confidence and empowerment that you just flow and you don't even have to say anything or do anything people have that, that that they feel it in the core of what's going on

Dr. David Mehler:

there. Yeah, yeah, that's a great analogy. And, you know, most of us were taught to push our emotions down, right, like, when a human beings developing you have this like this lifeforce, this chi, this prana, this key, this bio energy, and the next thing that starts to develop is your emotions, which later in life, is what strengthens your immune system, but also gives you leverage to take massive action in life. And most of us didn't really develop a healthy emotional range. And mainly because when you were crying as a little boy, or as a little girl, your mom or dad would say, What's about her, you know, why are you crying? And you know, the father, eventually, if you were in an area that was socially inappropriate, would say, if you don't stop crying, I'm going to XYZ and the mother would say, tell Mommy, what happened? What's the matter? So what happens is now the child is forced into using their mind to tell you why they're feeling why they have emotions. So imagine you're in a restaurant with your parents. You're six years old, and they are asking you that question and you say, Hey, Mom, Hey, Dad, listen. I don't know why I'm crying. I just know I'm a kid and we have emotions. And we'd like to feel we'd like to process are emotions. And if you just give me a few seconds to a few minutes, I'll be done with the emotion. Or maybe I'm also crying because Dad you held in all your tension and stress today, or maybe Mom, you're upset because Dad's not paying attention to and you don't feel he's being present with you. Or maybe the people sitting behind me are holding a lot of tension and I'm feeling their stuff. What I do know is this, if you don't let me feel my emotions later in life, I'm going to have to go to a therapist, they're gonna want to drug me up with Prozac and things of this nature. And I'm not going to develop a healthy emotional range take leverage in my life to take massive action. So what would you like me to do? And then the parents say, oh, go ahead, sweetie, finish your emotions. So we're forced to be in the mind, instead of develop the ability to just be with emotions, because most people are uncomfortable with other people's emotions. So the culture has trained us not to feel and to explain, explain what you're feeling through your mind, which is different than an emotion and emotion is energy, emotion, takes seconds to minutes to feel and process it. So now you have people growing up into the 30s 40s 50s 60s 70s. With all this bound emotion inside of them that later in life is called the stroke, the heart attack, Parkinson's, multiple sclerosis, dementia, you name it, it's just energy that never got dissipated. So I am like, ridiculously passionate about helping men reclaim the ability to feel emotions again. And in doing so it's like we're saving them from all these health challenges in doing so. We're snapping them out of being robotic, right? The typical guy that comes to us, he achieved it all. He accomplished it all. He said, in a life that looks so full on the outside, why is it that I feel so empty on the inside. He's emotionally disassociated. It's emotionally disconnected. He's been living his life from his head, he dotted his eyes, he crossed his T's. He did everything that they told me I was supposed to do to have a happy life. And yet, if I'm honest with myself, I don't like who I see in the mirror. And I feel like there's a void, something is missing. That's usually where we come in.

Dr. Terry Weyman:

You know, I'm gonna step in, because, you know, he had a, he, Dr. Spencer had a great analogy with his favorite black belt analogy. But I'm listening to this. And to me, this is chiropractic. You know, you go to the medical profession, and it's chasing symptoms around chiropractors go after the cause? And do you ever look at what you're doing now? It stemmed from your, your network chiropractic of looking for the cause, for a motion a college for disease, a college for that, and you develop into analogy of, well, I can look at disease, or I can look at everything in life, and so much of life is chasing symptoms around. I'm supposed to as a man, I'm supposed to be sensitive. Oh, no, I'm supposed to be tough. Those are symptoms. And so just getting to the root cause.

Dr. David Mehler:

Yeah, beautiful, beautiful question and awareness. And luckily, I was taught this at a very early point in my studies with Donnie, where he told us that symptoms are angelic messengers. They're informants. Why would we want to silence the symptom? You know, and we were taught, you know, by the age of 16, we probably saw 250, to 500,000 commercials related to medicine that says, hey, if you don't like what you're experiencing, don't worry, we'll make it go away. If you have a headache, we have a pill for that if you have a stomachache, we have a pill for that. If you're depressed, we have a pill for that. And the reality is that if you're having symptoms, it's your soul. It's your spirit, trying to wake you up to inform you that something in your life must change. And so unfortunately, most people are brought up into a world where we're taught, get rid of the symptom and get back to your life as usual. And as I've learned it, the problem is, the problem is your as usual, and the symptom is the informant, letting you know, you can't go back to your life as usual. And so it's all about helping a person wake up in a way that's very safe for them, where they can take bold action and make decisions and take actions that they've been avoiding their entire life. So that ultimately the symptom, the ailment, the condition, the disease, we've heard, the expression is the cure, meaning it's the thing that's been trying to get your attention. Most of us ignore the Whisper until your soul has no choice but to break down the door. And now you have a pathology or disease that has forced you to pay attention. The question is, are you going to still try to get back to your old life that most likely contributed to where you're at today? Or you're going to look at this and understand that this was your wake up call to stop negotiating with your life and start really paying attention?

Dr. Terry Weyman:

Wow, thank you. That's beautiful. I even have in my office, I've gotten away from giving people diagnosis because people get hung up on a diagnosis. You're like, what's wrong with me? And I go, Well, does it I don't take insurance doesn't really matter what the diagnosis is, or do you want what the causes I mean, oh, you have tennis elbow, okay. But let's look at why that's irritated. So I've given you a diagnosis because they get locked in on that. Then they go to the internet and then they want to look it up and they get down these rabbit holes. How do you empower men to become better leaders and embrace this masculine core?

Dr. David Mehler:

You know, before I answer that, Just to add to what you just shared, you know, somebody, let's say back in the day would come to my chiropractic office. And they'd say, Oh, well, I hurt my knee, or I hurt my back, or I hurt my shoulder. And you know, the natural question is, oh, well, how did you do that? Oh, well, I was skiing. So then the question that I would ask is, well, let me ask you a question. Why do you think this happened? Now? I understand you hurt yourself. I understand. That's what you think happened. But why do you think it happened now? What is it that's going on in your life that this had to happen now to take you out of your normal routine? To get you to actually pay attention because most people, especially men, because we're stubborn, they won't pay attention until they're forced to pay attention. So that question of why do you think it happened now? gets them thinking outside of the box, you can't teach anybody anything you can, you could only inspire them to think more deeply, more profoundly. And we do that through the art of questions. So if you wouldn't mind, take me back to the question again, that you just asked,

Dr. Terry Weyman:

Oh, no. I'm gonna use that. Because that is fantastic. What happened now? Because you're so right. How do you because men are I feel men are lost, you know, they're told, like I said earlier, you have to be more sensitive, or you have to be more manly. And I want man to open door. Yeah, I've opened the door for women before and they've yelled at me for opening a door, I pull a chair out, they yell at me for pulling the chair out, you know? So I'm like, Oh, I guess I'm not supposed to open doors anymore. And then I get yelled at for now opened the door, you know? So how do you empower men to become better leaders and embrace that masculine core?

Dr. David Mehler:

Yeah, it's such a beautiful question. So I'm gonna kind of go backwards for a moment. Absolutely. I'm a big Y guy. So for example, I had a friend one time that held a door for a woman. And then she walked through and he yells back at her, you know, you could have said, thank you. And then you use the choice word that starts with the letter B, and then has something to do with when you're when you have an IP which I don't, I don't support just,

Dr. Terry Weyman:

well, thank you for that, because I can't spell.

Dr. David Mehler:

So I said to him, I said, Steve, let me ask you a question. Why, why did you hold the door for that woman? And he said, Well, my father, you know, raised me with good morals. And you know, to be courteous. I'm like, Well, did he raise you to call the woman a bitch? I'm like, Why did you really hold the door for her? And the truth is, if he was willing to see it, is he held it so he could get a thank, you know, why did he want to thank you, so he could feel good enough about himself so he could feel worthy because he feels unworthy. So he could feel important because he feels insignificant. So I'm a big why guy of why you're doing something. So most men were trained to be good little boys, right? We don't want Mommy to get upset, right? Mommy loves us with everything. We could be ugly as hell when we're babies with poop on us vomit on us. And she's smiling at us because she has oxytocin from getting from giving birth. So she's flooded with this love chemical. Then one day, the oxytocin runs out. And she's looking at you and she yells at you. And now, the pleaser is born. The yes man is born, the seeking mom's approval is born. Because now all of a sudden, this love is not unconditional. And so the man, that little boy one day then grows up to be the let me do the right thing. Let me do everything I need to do to get back mommy's love. Because the school teacher gets mad at me, Mommy gets mad at me. And they carry that into relationships seeking invisibly, right. It's unconscious, the approval of the feminine, and they forgot who they are. And so part of what we do is we wake a man up to this reality of like, how did that happen? How did you get into this place? Where you've been bending yourself pleasing momming, or looking for her approval? Becoming the Yes, man, the pleaser which is really saying Please like me. And so part of the journey that we take a man through, is to trade in wanting to be liked for self respect, because the man that respects himself has boundaries, the man that has boundaries operates in his day to day life, much differently than the man that is still attached to things that are external to him. Still externally sourcing his happiness. Oh, if I have enough money, oh, if I have good job, oh, if she likes me, oh, she says I love you still attaching everything that's outside of yourself, that will never fill a man he's gonna feel empty. Ultimately, he has to reclaim his self respect. And nobody can hand that to him. He has to he has to claim that for himself. Oh,

Dr. Spencer Baron:

that's fantastic. You gave us a quick snapshot of what your dad is like, what was your mom like growing up?

Dr. David Mehler:

Well, just to take a step back, you know, my my father, when I was five years old, unfortunately. He let his emotions get the best of him. And that's where there was a there are moments in time where he was physically abusive towards my mom. Due to the shame and the guilt around that he totally shut down. his masculinity he had his core energy was masculine, but because he didn't know how to control the anger or utilize it in a way that was healthy, and because he harmed my mother, he swore that part of him off. And so that's where it's almost like I grew up with two moms, right? Because you want to have a masculine and feminine energy to have a beautiful balance. Most of us men had a feminine father, when I say feminine, meaning the mask that he wore was more feminine as core as masculine, but the outer, the outer mask is more feminine. So we didn't have role models, right. So I had a mom that that did a really good job of being sad, and not knowing how to source happiness. And for very good reason. She had a very tumultuous upbringing where, when she turned six years old, her father ran off with another woman. So she was brought into the world of betrayal, I can't trust in the masculine, so it became a self fulfilling prophecy. So I picked the perfect parents, where they gave me the uniqueness of my hurts and my wounds, because ultimately, I believe our journey through life is to take our greatest hurts and wounds and flip them over into gifts. So I didn't grow up with a role model, masculine role model, I didn't grow up witnessing what it's like to treat the feminine as sacred with reverence. And so here I am, you know, 50 years later, and I've turned all that over. And now I'm giving back the very thing that I didn't have as a kid because I knew the pain of borders, like to not have that as a little boy. And I think that's what almost all of us are here for is the thing that hurt you the most is the thing that you're here here to heal, and then help heal and others.

Dr. Spencer Baron:

When did you meet your wife,

Dr. David Mehler:

I met my wife 20 years ago, we were good friends, I used to literally go on dating sites and try to help her find the right guy until 10 years later knew at the time because I was a taken man. So the energy was very clean. But you know, Harry, and Sally, you know, eventually the these friends that care about each other immensely. For some of them, they ultimately one day realize that they're in love with each other. And so my wife had a beautiful journey where she, she was told that if she wanted to attract a king, you know, a man that really owns himself that has a beautiful integration of his masculine and his feminine energy, that she would have to switch her name that she was being called, which was Katie, to her birth name, which was Kathleen and what he explained to her was that Katie ran more head energy and clit energy. It kind of like a Sharon Stone, you know, from back in the day. Yeah. Whereas if you embrace your your birth name of Kathleen, which is more royalty, more regal, you know, more of the Queen and more of your sovereignty, you'd run more of the heart and the womb energy. And so she did a lot of work on herself for many years and started really doing the deeper internal work to heal herself. And that's what really aligned us and brought us into, you know, synchronicity with our vibrations to attract one another.

Dr. Terry Weyman:

i Wow.

Unknown:

She's like Mrs. Man on Fire. Mrs. That's

Dr. Terry Weyman:

awesome.

Dr. Spencer Baron:

So let's talk about vicarious Can you explain a little bit more about that, and you know, what it serves

Dr. David Mehler:

you well, that was a long time ago, that was I was a previous life, where in my second half of practicing Chiropractic in Manhattan for over 20 years, I had opened up a Wellness Center. And it was my wife actually had named it the cause at the time. And and it was all just about exactly what we've been discussing, which is we wanted to kind of take it outside of the the chiropractic framework because you know, if you say massage, or chiropractic or physical therapy, people have a preconceived notion. So we just wanted to create an AMA Oh, did you go to buy cars? Right, as opposed to saying, Did you go to see your chiropractor because we wanted to get past the cultural conditioning of the mind and help people understand, you know, what, what it was really about, which was a sacred healing journey, you know, of really moving more into their heart and living a life that's more you know, of more passion and more inspiring and yes, what brought people in initially might have been symptoms, but we were able to help people really learn from their symptoms and and see what is in their life was asking them to make you know, changes. And though the classic person getting them out of pain is the easiest thing in the world. The thing that we were most passionate about is moving them in their life where they could have a greater love for who they're seeing in the mirror.

Dr. Terry Weyman:

Wow, that's awesome. Yep. All right. I'm gonna go back to your door analogy where the guy held the door open for the girl and and called her the itch with a scratch. You do We think that the brilliant engineers of this world created the social media we see today. Based off of that, you know, everybody is glued to their phones, their computer, and they're all seeking likes, you know, how many people liked my photo? How many people liked my comment? How many people commented on that? Do you think that's and they get addicted to that instead of working on their error? Self? They're working on their error self? Do you? What's your comments about that? You know,

Dr. David Mehler:

I'm not 100% understanding the question, is it possible you could reframe it?

Dr. Terry Weyman:

Yes, of course I can. So why do you think the internet has become so popular? And it seems like guys are looking for Likes on the internet, just like that guy was looking for that girl to say, thank you, you know, instead of instead of putting the phone down and and looking people in the eye and having heart to heart conversations, yeah.

Dr. David Mehler:

Okay, beautiful question. So I'm going to probably answer it in a way that you didn't see coming. So you know, Maslow talked about the different human needs, then Tony Robbins evolved, evolve that into six human needs that we all share as human beings, whether you're homeless, or whether you're a billionaire, we all share the same six human needs. And human needs actually will override even your core value structure, your vet your ethics and your principles. So for example, to people when they say I do at the altar, for better or worse, and they're getting married, you know, in a sacred container before God before family and friends, they're still capable of having affairs. So how is that possible? Well, because your human needs will supersede your value structure. So with that said, the first four human needs are needs of your personality, I'll go as far as to say their needs have what's called your identity, which is how you are wanting to be seen by others in the world, we all have an identity, please see me as this way, please see me as trustworthy, as honorable as a good person that operates from a space of high integrity. And the journey in life for most people is that no matter how much you accomplish, and achieve and succeed with, which is all from the personality and your identity, and you wake up one day, and you go, Well, I have it all. But but I'm still empty, it didn't fill me. This is where Tony Robbins would teach that. No matter no matter what circle of life you came from, to have true joy and true fulfillment, you have to start to feed the last two human needs, which is growth and contribution, and you can't fake your way into those human needs. And so a person has to evolve to truly want to grow, meaning I know I'm built for more, I know I came here for, for a bigger reason and purpose. And so as you begin this journey of growing you, you go beyond the mind, and you go into the soul, and you start to do the deeper work of why you came here, which is to be of contribution to others, like for example, with magnifier. Part of our contribution is to be the gatekeeper, The Guardian, and the protector of the feminine heart in a world that can be so harsh for a woman to be revealed. And to and to show her heart to the world through all the disappointments and betrayals she's experienced, it would take a very mature man that's fully in touch with his own heart to be able to protect that woman. So to come back to your question, one of the highest human needs that people have is what's called connection so that the first need is certainty. The next one is uncertainty, which is variety. The third one is significance, hey, look at me, I want to be noticed and out feel important, feel special. And then the next need is connection and love. So we have a high degree, have a high demand for connection. And we get connection from food, we get a connection from social media. And we've started to move away from intimacy intimacy is there's a greater level of vulnerability and depth. Kind of like where we're having a real conversation as opposed to, you know, you see your neighbor, hey, Joe, how are you? Great, how are you? Great. Meanwhile, you know, your kid tried to commit suicide last night, right? So we settle for connection. And so social media, the internet, it's all about connection. It's a way of hiding, it's not a means of going deeper and being more intimate and being more vulnerable. And so a part of what we're after at man on fire as to help a man become more present, and grow as empathy and grow as compassion and move away from connection and move more into a deeper place of being vulnerable. And then from there, the next human needs starts to be the needs from the soul, which is growth and contribution. So I'm hoping that I answered your question, which is basically, as long as we're still filling those first four human needs, which are needs of our personality and our identity, we're gonna always have this problem until someone's genuine and sincere about wanting to evolve and grow their consciousness, which you'd have to be willing to give up your identity. And if we have time, I'd love to share with you what I really mean by that, if I may. Go, go so we will just call them Joe for argument's sake just to protect his privacy. This guy came to us about eight nine years ago. He tried To commit suicide in a bathtub, by cutting himself and by the grace of God, he passed out. And he woke up and he took it as a sign that he's not supposed to do it. So he is a multimillionaire. He is loved by his entire family, he married his high school sweetheart, he has three incredible daughters that are amazing students had every car you could think of the summer home, the winter home, respected a church respected at his company. Why in God's name would would Joe want to kill himself? Well, it turns out that he had 19 affairs behind his wife's back, and he got caught. And now the entire way that everyone saw him from his wife, to his family, to his children, to the church, to everyone that that worked with him and for him, all of a sudden, that was going to be up for negotiation. Wait a second, he's not trustworthy. Wait a second, he lacks integrity. Wait a second, he's not a committed person. And so rather than face all of those people, his mind which I like to call the pirates, because the pirates will feed you toxic thoughts, the pirates told him, Hey, that's gonna be too hard to face all those people. Why don't you just take your life. And so the identity is, we're still trying to protect them defend how we want to be seen by others, rather than fully surrender and show them that part of us that's, that makes mistakes the part of us that is flawed, the part of us that is not perfect. And most people will go through their entire life, never showing you that part of them. You know that that is different than what they projected to you their entire life. So when you asked me this question about so why do we Why do we have this thing going on with the internet and with social media? It's the same thing. We're still trying to sell the image of who we are to others, rather than just being real. And if you ask me, that's that is that is so toxic, because you have these poor kids scrolling through social media thinking everyone's life is great. And they say, and they think they're different. Well, then what's wrong with me? What's wrong with me? Nothing's wrong with you. You just don't realize that these people aren't being honest with you. And so now you have people harming themselves because they can't live up to the perfection of what social media sometimes can portray. So what's needed right now a straight talk, what's needed right now is real talk. What's really right now, what's needed right now is vulnerability, men and women getting real and getting vulnerable and showing their imperfections. And that's a great starting point, as opposed to the crap that we're selling each other, that my life is great. Meanwhile, you look in the mirror, you don't like yourself, meanwhile, you're cruel to animals. But what you sell to the public is totally different.

Dr. Spencer Baron:

I have two questions for you and I am loving what you're talking about here. Two questions is could you just for the listening audience, list all the the human needs that because I think you went over surely two or three of them and then the other

Dr. David Mehler:

Yeah, so there's the need for certainty, which basically in English means I want to keep things the same. And just please understand every need can be met in an empowering way and in a disempowering way. So we have a need for certainty to have a roof over our head to have food on our plate. But you could also stay in a toxic marriage you can stay in a job that doesn't serve you because you have a high need for certainty, right? So maybe you didn't have a lot of certainty as a kid. And so you grow up and you have a very high desire for certainty, but it could also backfire on you right? Then you have a need for variety uncertainty, which is you know, variety is the spice of life. So somebody that's meeting that in a disempowering way would cheat on their their husband or cheat on their wife or oh I behind need for variety right so you can meet these needs in healthy ways in unhealthy ways. The next human need is significance where you want to feel special important standout noticed. This is again another contributing factor to affairs because somebody wants to feel unique and special. Oh, my husband doesn't look at me the way he used to look at me so I'm gonna go have an affair because they have a high need for significance. I know Tony even talks about that, you know, people that are gang leaders are somebody that holds a gun in somebody else's head is like well, who I feel important now right? You didn't pay attention to me before and you're gonna pay attention to me now. I'll be as controversial as to say even terrorism which they you know, it hides under the guise of it's connecting to God and doing God's work it's really this person doesn't feel significant so they turn to murder in order you know, they think they're being the martyr The reality is, you know, they're being a murderer. So, but we all have that need rockstars right, you know, everyone like I wear this watch, because I think it looks cool. It doesn't even work I haven't replaced the battery for seven years. So I'm meeting the need in a healthy way. Right but I'm not holding a gun to somebody's head and just wearing a watch it doesn't fucking work. Okay so the next need is connection in love, they're a little bit different connection is more on the surface whereas love is left open for vulnerable exchange which means greater vulnerability like are you willing to let yourself be seen? Right? And then those all those needs right? There are the needs of your personality then the last two growth and contribution, growing for the sake of growing not not under the guise of so I'll finally feel like I'm enough. And then as you grow, you grow to the reality of this world is hurting and it needs contribution and needs greater acts of service. Like the Dalai Lama, you know, like the Mother Teresa's of the world, the Nelson Mandela's of the world like I'm here to give, to love and to serve, which was one of the mottos that my chiropractic school, I'm here to give love and serve, and there's no agenda. It's clean, it's selfless. It's not about me, I could do it invisibly, I don't need people to know about it. So that's the cycle that that we're afforded the opportunity to possibly go through in life is to graduate those first four needs, and start to put our focus more on the last two, it's probably fair to say that less than 1% of people get there. And that's because we live in these worlds of addictions, where we're addicted to a life of drama and problems are addicted to a life of complacency. And I'm here to snap people out of that coma, that comfort coma, wake them up, especially men, to the reality that deep down, there's a leader inside of them that's been waiting to be birthed and born and fed, and give them the fire and give them the fuel to really come back to who he is at its core.

Dr. Spencer Baron:

I love it. So Dave, they you know, it's funny, I'm watching, I've been watching a trend of people becoming more authentic on their Instagram posts of Facebook, whatever it might be, when, when we're, you know, promoting our podcast right around notice things pop up, and, you know, people will will purge and be real and cry and be hysterical. And but yet, it's kind of interesting, I love your feeling on there doing that, for likes, they're still doing that for acceptance, even though they're, they're expressing a emotion, that's not something that you would typically see, you have any comment about that?

Dr. David Mehler:

Well, the only comment I have about that is that, you know, I don't I'm not a fan of like generalizing. So I would have to know specifically who we might be speaking about. I'm also not a fan of casting judgment on anybody else people are at where they're at, what you and I, the three of us can do is all we could do is be as authentic as we know how to be a model that for others. And so I couldn't really make any comments on that other than to say, I know who I am at this at this stage of my life. I know why I'm here. And that's my role is to take care of what I can take care of which is myself. And if that inspires and motivates others to live a life with greater authenticity than in our job well done.

Dr. Spencer Baron:

You know, I gotta commend you, you do two things really extraordinarily well. One, you ask, clearly to decipher some of the commentary that we share with you. So you can interpret it in the best way possible. You don't just answer off the cuff, but you make it very, very specific. So I really appreciate that, you know, you, you, we may ask a question. And, you know, it's even the question is up for interpretation before you answer. So thank you for that. And number two is, man, you're extraordinary at not judging character in a general sense. Thank you for that, too. That's that that's, that's special. And those are two things that we should really, absolutely take away from our conversation with the said, you know, we're starting this new year. And we're really looking forward for you to launch this this sense that you're sharing. Do you have any advice for the listeners, you know, on what you know, about setting and achieving any health and wellness? That could be mentally, emotionally, whatever you would like to share?

Dr. David Mehler:

Well, first, thank you for for seeing me. It was one of my dad's best qualities of I really never saw him judge another person or speak poorly about somebody else. So I'm, I'm happy to hear that a lot of that has rubbed off on me. So thank you for acknowledging and seeing me. As far as the listeners go. I would say, you know, we've heard the quote that success leaves clues. And if there's truly something that you want more of in your life, my suggestion would be to go seek out somebody who was already mastering that. So whether it's health, you know, like you have the Medical Medium out there who's delivering credible information about helping people heal. Amazing chiropractors out there. I'm a fan at this juncture of my life of following people. Those that are living what they're speaking about, there's a lot of gifted people that have a lot of information to deliver. And then sadly, there's probably fewer that are living what they're speaking about. So I would say to the listener, if you have something in your life that you're seeking, whether it's more health, whether it's more financial freedom, whether it's you just, you just want to have more intimacy and love in your marriage, to go find those that are not just teaching it, but you know, are actually living it and go invest your time in, in those communities, where you could be soaking up the vibration from the leader down. And that would be a great starting point for anybody.

Dr. Spencer Baron:

You're definitely a special guy. I appreciate that. So you know what we're going to, we're going to end but but before we end, we're going to switch gears and a portion of our segment that we absolutely love. And it's called the rapid fire questions. rapid fire questions are just arbitrary. We look for brief answers. And some of it has nothing to do with what we all that we talked about. But it's it's stuffed. It's it may be personal, not personal, deeply personal, but fun, personal. Okay,

Dr. David Mehler:

well, the answer to the first question is yes. And the second one is 72.

Dr. Terry Weyman:

What the hell 72. Questions

Dr. David Mehler:

graded myself out of 100 I get myself

Dr. Spencer Baron:

we've done over 130 or 50 shows and that's the first time I've ever given an answer before the questions.

Dr. Terry Weyman:

And I love see students so 72 Bam, you're back.

Dr. David Mehler:

That's great. That's like Rodney Dangerfield and back to school. Is that ABC? You're in the top three?

Dr. Spencer Baron:

Yeah. I actually when I think of Rodney Dangerfield, I like when he would turn to a woman and say, hey, you know, call me when you're, you're done with class, you know, or you have no class or something like Oh, man, all right. So I don't even know if these rapid fires are gonna gain any traction here. But here we go. Question number one. What book that everyone? What do you think a book that everyone should read or start off their year with men and women? Well,

Dr. David Mehler:

one of the first books that spoke to me about 20 years ago, seed seed of the soul by Gary Zhukov,

Dr. Spencer Baron:

who

Dr. David Mehler:

because of its simplicity, you know, in a world of spirituality, it's so easy to get lost with concepts he I just love that was kept very simple. No, I love that

Dr. Spencer Baron:

beautiful. Question number two, what is your favorite activity that lights you?

Dr. David Mehler:

I love spending time with my wife. I love snowboarding. And I love watching football, which helps me connect my sadness and my rage because I'm a New York jet fan. All right.

Dr. Terry Weyman:

I have to elaborate on that because we're in the football pool. David ad. We at first we pick the jets and I looked at my brother playing Washington, which also was terrible. I had to go with Washington because they just don't have a quarterback. I'm like they've lost everybody. And I'm like, oh, that poor team that poor coach is less everybody

Dr. David Mehler:

taught me the art of suffering.

Dr. Spencer Baron:

Davey's gonna love me for this because my, the intern that I have, excuse me, he was an intern. He's became a chiropractor, and he's one of my favorite. And he has a background in athletic training with the New York Jets. Wow, that's awesome. So he he's a special guy. I'm

Unknown:

seeking to buy the Jets. I want to help change the organization, culturally in

Dr. David Mehler:

the top down,

Dr. Terry Weyman:

there you go. There you go.

Dr. Spencer Baron:

Thank you for sharing that. Question. Number three, you travel a lot, and to different time zones, what is the one thing you always have with you to keep you healthy and centered?

Dr. David Mehler:

Well, two things I want to share about that question number one is no matter where I'm at in the world, I have an obsession with staying on East Coast time. So even though I live in California, I'm up at four which would be 7am. Eastern, right in New York. But what do I have no matter where I go, my wife and I travel with greens or green powders, and no matter where we go, we order celery. It's the first thing that we drink in the morning after lemon water. So we always take our health elixirs with us whether it's powders or whether it's drops, there's a beautiful company called vimar G. I don't get anything. I'm not affiliated with them, but vimar G very clean product, where we take a lot of their stuff. So no matter where we go, we take our supplements.

Dr. Spencer Baron:

Thank you, in fact, awesome. I'm gonna look them up after. I love that. I love.

Dr. David Mehler:

There's something else I take hold on. Let me show you. Yeah.

Dr. Spencer Baron:

This guy's fantastically great.

Dr. David Mehler:

I take this, I take this. This Q link, you've heard of Q link? You know, you can go on. I'm not affiliated with them either. So I get nothing by telling you guys this. But this it protects you from EMF, right? Oh, yes. So wherever I travel, I should even want it today. I just I didn't want you guys thinking I'm in the military because it looks like a military one. Dog Tag. Yeah, just like you know, we're exposed to a lot of EMF, so I swear by these things.

Dr. Terry Weyman:

What's it called

Dr. David Mehler:

a Q link? Yeah, you can look them up. I think under Clarus CLA R us.com or Q link. You get anywhere from 50 bucks up to 400. They have different you know, different ones. They all work the same.

Dr. Spencer Baron:

Oh, cool. My girlfriend's been telling me to get that kind of protection. Well, I wonder why. Okay, moving back on to David. Number four. What is a crazy travel story that stands out and still makes you laugh?

Dr. David Mehler:

He's already laughing. Yeah, well, this is the last time that I ever delved into the world of psycho. Tropix in 1994. In Jamaica, I had this brilliant idea to dive off of a cliff because there was an audience and it was the last time that I ever put marijuana to my lips was 1994 or more there's more to this we everything they told us not to do on that trip. We did we we rented motorcycles and went up into the into the mountains that where we were told not to go because there was drug lords up there. Next thing you know, we're surrounded by a pack of men with machetes. And by the grace of God we we got out of there. So that's a great story that we don't have time for.

Dr. Spencer Baron:

I take it there was water. Underneath that cliff. There

Dr. David Mehler:

there was water wasn't it wasn't one like one of those Bugs Bunny things where you dive into just a cup of glass of water. It was worried but when I hit it felt like concrete. It felt like somebody you know the clay shovelers fracture clay shovels it felt like someone hit me in the back of the neck with a shovel. I mean, I did not know how to dive I knew how to be a moron. So

Dr. Spencer Baron:

got one of the questions. But were you naked when you dove off that cliff?

Dr. David Mehler:

Just vulnerably exposed to my stupid

Dr. Terry Weyman:

Alright, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, that is your jet. Because of that you are going to be invited to podcast number two, and we're going to talk about that story.

Dr. David Mehler:

And I was told on the dive that I did out of 100 It was a 72.

Dr. Spencer Baron:

Just to bring it full circle. That that was brilliant. That was that that? Oh, that's true comedian materials when you could bring something from what we talked about earlier right back the punch line. Those

Dr. David Mehler:

are the Seinfeld episodes. Right? They taught you how to connect it all together.

Dr. Terry Weyman:

Yeah, brilliant.

Dr. Spencer Baron:

Last question. Before we sign off your, with the world in little state of chaos and financial uncertainty. Is there a business tip or habit that you can share to get 2024 started on the right foot for people?

Dr. David Mehler:

Yeah. The the tip that I have, it's not it's not a business tip. It's if if you could practice something for the rest of your life, that will change your life. It would be forgiveness of yourself, to have empathy and compassion for yourself to recognize that in ways that you showed up where you hurt other people. That was just a part of you. That was an adaptive compensatory strategy that you developed as a little boy or a little girl. When you were scared when you didn't have safety and you carry those patterns into your adulthood. And you rather than judging yourself for that you want to thank those parts of you for protecting you and you want to do Practice the art of forgiving yourself and in doing so you become more available to others. In doing so you can have more empathy and more compassion and more love for other people. But it starts with how you have that for yourself.

Dr. Spencer Baron:

You know, I gotta tell you, that when you when you that's the kind of stuff that chokes me up. I absolutely love and appreciate you. i i You are you You are a fountain of health and happiness for people that not only need you most but to keep us at that level that vibration and man I'm so glad we talked to you today. Thank you so

Dr. David Mehler:

this was awesome. It was such an honor to be with you guys.

Dr. Terry Weyman:

You know David talked about the universal consciousness. The fact that that you and I can went back and forth to pick a date to record that it's going to air on New Year's Day. I think I am so blessed to have just spent this hour with you and to know you the call you now part of our little family here and and the words you just shared are gonna echo everybody and I can't thank you enough because this is it's such an honor to have you on our show and to to launch 2024 With so God bless you man thank you for you for everything you're doing for the people out there for your job. I would love to talk to your wife I mean the this you this is what this show is all about it to connect with amazing people who are doing amazing things and thank you for inspiring me personally. Thank

Dr. David Mehler:

you, thank you so much I fully receive that and my condolences to your family and prayers to you. Thank you in such a sacred time of year you know the holidays. And lastly with regards to my wife I have developed because of her such as a reverence for the feminine and I have so much respect for my wife how she conducts herself how boundaried she is how powerful she has how feminine she is. She's just an incredible human being that also has a beautiful mission in this world and she's she has an incredible stand from love and for and for couples to to experience intimacy in a way that little girls dream of until that dream is shattered. So I will I will link you guys you know for $72 I will link you guys

Dr. Spencer Baron:

this video is starting to get me all teary eyed I'm glad to again all over the place

Dr. Terry Weyman:

the checks in the mail Bitcoin Chevy two of them right.

Dr. David Mehler:

I was offered Bitcoin when it was $1. And unfortunately, I didn't ask enough powerful questions about what is it? That was that was a mistake that I wish I could have.

Dr. Terry Weyman:

Oh, brother, thank you so much for your time and energy. And this has been an honor and I really appreciate it man. Thank you so much.

Dr. Spencer Baron:

Thank you for listening to today's episode of The cracking backs podcast. We hope you enjoyed it. Make sure you follow us on Instagram at cracking backs podcast. catch new episodes every Monday. See you next time.