Health Industry Scandal: Dr. Grace Hameister Unveils how Grounding/Earthing could end Chronic Disease-But WHY isn't anyone listening?

In this revealing episode of the Crackin' Backs Podcast, we welcome Dr. Grace Hameister, a profound advocate in the field of grounding, or Earthing, as it is sometimes known. With her unique insights, developed alongside grounding pioneer Clint Ober, Dr. Hameister dives into the electrical essence of human health and the scientifically backed benefits of reconnecting with the earth. This episode promises to enlighten listeners on how grounding can significantly improve sleep quality, reduce inflammation, and enhance blood flow, addressing both the supportive evidence and the methodological critiques that have surfaced.

Dr. Hameister shares insights on the effects of Grounding on cardiovascular health, particularly its ability to alter the activity of red blood cells and the heart's electrical balance. The conversation delves into the intriguing shift from our ancestors' natural lifestyle to today's insulated existence, questioning whether synthetic footwear and elevated sleeping arrangements have disconnected us from essential earth energies and contributed to the rise in chronic illnesses and immune disorders.

Listeners will also gain clarity on the comparison between traditional earthing methods, like walking barefoot, and the modern convenience of grounding mats and devices designed to simulate natural grounding. Dr. Hameister tackles the skepticism head-on, providing a robust defense of grounding against accusations of pseudoscience, and discusses how grounding practices could recalibrate the body's electrical homeostasis.

Further, the episode explores grounding's influence on the autonomic nervous system, detailing its potential to harmonize the sympathetic and parasympathetic responses and its touted antioxidant effects through electron transfer from the earth to the body. Amidst critiques of oversimplification, Dr. Hameister articulates a compelling case for the holistic benefits of grounding.

By examining the critical gaps in current research and proposing methodologies that could bridge these divides, this episode not only aims to debunk the myths surrounding grounding but also highlights its potential as a transformative public health practice. For anyone curious about the science of grounding or seeking natural ways to enhance their health, this conversation with Dr. Grace Hameister offers invaluable insights into one of the most intriguing health concepts of our time.

After listening to this show, if you would like to learn more about Grounding from the man himself, Clint Ober. Please check out (Un) Common health Podcast, with Clint Ober and Dr. Grace.

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Transcript

Dr. Spencer Baron: 0:00

Step into the grounded world of health and skepticism on today's cracking backs podcast with Dr. Grace. How Meister we're digging into earthing is connecting with the planet's surface truly heal? Or is it just grounded in wishful thinking? From synthetic shoes to the science of sleep and blood flow, we'll explore how touching the earth beneath us might be the key to battling chronic diseases, and rebalancing your body's systems. Tune in as we sit through the evidence, the myths and the potential of grounding to transform our health.

Dr. Terry Weyman: 0:40

Right Dr. Grace, we're so happy to have you back on the show. I mean, your look fabulous, by the way. Great eyebrows, we, we brought you back because there's a surge of talk regarding the concept of grounding, or earthing and I've been hearing it a lot my practice just in the last couple of months. I know Dr. Spencer has as well. And I first heard about this concept almost 22 to 30 years ago, and I heard from you. And so who better to bring you on the show to talk about from the person that told me about it. And even though I know the concept, or the father of grounding is Clint Ober, I am coming to you because I learned about it from you. And I figured that was the go right to the source I learned from so welcome back to the show.

Dr. Grace Hameister: 1:30

Thank you so great seeing my two favorite guys in the chiropractic profession and in the world in general. You know, seriously, you too, are such a beacon in our community and in the medical community, because you do take very scientific information and utilize it in your practice and you make people's lives better for it and you're fearless with it. And that's one of the things that's always inspired me about working with you. And then just having you guys as colleagues and friends to plus your your love you. You know, I love door. Thanks, Grace.

Dr. Terry Weyman: 2:05

So So before we get really dive into our questions, give some disclaimers and let's talk about the man the father grounding plant over.

Unknown: 2:14

Yeah, you know, I would not be able to be speaking about any of this as if it wasn't for Clint. So just from my perspective, everything you're about to hear from me today was directly taught to me by him. It's all his work. It's all his blood, his sweat his tears for over 20 years. He is a such a dynamic and cool dude, you know, he he grew up as a cowboy in Wyoming, literally like a cowboy like on horses and taking care of their cattle and in the range. And so he's very been very close to the earth and to Native American culture, especially in that area, too. And he is very spiritual connection with how, how we connect with our bodies and Earth from just having those very early memories. And he taught me about those and told me about those from a long time ago. And then he got into a really interesting field of study, which was the cable industry. And this is where his ideas of grounding kind of came into play. He you know, if you're if your television set isn't grounded with Kate, when you have cables, if any kind of static electricity comes in the the picture goes weird. or god forbid, there's like lightning that's around you. Hello, Florida. It's you get every day at three o'clock, right? I know. So that will literally go into your house and blow up your TV, if it's not grounded. So these are where the grounding principles came from then his his interest in electronics and electricity and data. You guys just realize Clint Ober is the reason that data gets streamed into our computers. He made the very first when he call it, Moto cable modem. He's the guy that created the cable modem. I didn't know that. I had a conversation with him. And I was like, what? You did that too, you know. So this guy's been tinkering with grounding through electricity and data exchange through satellites, since the 60s, the 50s and 60s, and that is the basis of where all this comes from and then how it translated over into what we now know as grounding and how he started making the leaps it forward to how our bodies can be affected by it. He was in his in his house, and he had because of being a cowboy and Terry, I know you know this with all of the Cowboys you've treated over the years There's a lot of injury involved with that. So he's got bad ankles, but you know, bad wrist is good back pain and all that stuff. And he was noticing, he used he use a device, like any device you can get that just tests for amperage, right. And he noticed that in his bedroom, there were higher doses of amperage than there were in other places. So he went to the, to the hardware store, and he got some duct tape that had either aluminum or copper in it, I can't remember this time, but one of the other, he put that on his bed and put an alligator clip on it. On the end of the alligator clip, he put a wire and then he stuck that wire onto a rod and into the earth, like the actual ground of the earth. And that night, he slept the whole night through which he had never done in like years, and he woke up with less pain. At that point, he's like, yeah, so that was the beginning of his journey of figuring out all the things that we're about to talk about what the studies that they've done, which by the way, are double blind randomized trials, done in a very prestigious university systems, as well as reported in extremely prestigious periodicals. So the signs we're talking about here is the real deal. And you can look at any of it to on earthing institute.net. That's where he's published all of this stuff, or thing, Institute dotnet. And you can also just look at PubMed, or one that's really super easy to is Google Scholar, I don't know if you guys are familiar with this or not. But if you put in Google Scholar in your browser, you'll actually be able to look at studies instead of going down the Google rabbit hole of bullshit information. And look, this stuff is real, according to the studies that we're talking about. So that's the background of Clint, that's how I got in contact with him. He was building his protocol, protocol, prototype, excuse me, he was building his prototype, and about to do some thermal imaging studies back in about 2000 to 2004. And that's when I came in contact with him. He was doing that in San Francisco. And I was working in a clinic that was with a naturopath at the time, who was really ahead of his time with using high tech therapeutic devices and thermal imaging and detecting breast cancer from from that way back in the day. And that's when Clint locked in into our office. And so it's, I would had the opportunity to learn from him at that point. And that's, that's where my story with Clint and his background all comes together.

Dr. Terry Weyman: 7:41

You know, I'm glad you mentioned Google, when you put bullshit Google I'm glad you mentioned that because you know I was hearing people going out of ground he doesn't exist or it does it's not it's it's bullshit doesn't work. And and then you go to Google, and you'll see one says study promotes improved sleep reduces inflammation, better blood flow, and then you'll see another study not enough scientific evidence. And there's a mythological weaknesses. It doesn't isn't it doesn't hold water. And so no wonder so many of these lay people get confused. Because, you know, one statement says it works. And the next statement says it doesn't end in your little AI on the right said, there's not enough evidence to support this. It doesn't work and blah, blah, blah. So that's what this show is all about to clear up the mud. And so can you give us the not only this is studies, but the basic one is earthing, which is another term for grounding. What's the concept of it? And why does it work?

Unknown: 8:45

Well, I love that you said that we're going to clear up the mud, no pun intended there. What, what earthing is in what grounding is, is you in contact with nature, and it's free period. That's what it is. So the basis of this whole scientific entity of grounding, if you will, is that the Earth itself carries a charge. It's negatively charged free electrons just on the surface, it occurs because of the sun hitting the Earth's surface and you get extra activity that creates energy. And so you have these, these just free floating radicals, unlike in our body free radicals can be damaging, right? These actually do the opposite. They're actually in so much excess that it helps to stabilize the free radicals in your body. That's the whole purpose. So as long as there is an electron flow, the electron flow is what is the key to successful grounding. So if you're barefoot on the ground, and and you Even when you're barefoot, like if you have less calluses and if you have, you know, as close to skin as possible, when you're on the ground, your body's automatically exchanging current with the current that's on the earth. I mean, we now know Look, look at studies done by St. James Osman, another good colleague and friend of ours, right, that quantum physicist who wrote the book energy medicine, which, by the way, is one of the premises for how Clint was inspired to look into some different forms of research that we'll be discussing later. oschmann helped to write and conduct some of these experiments. And so they're like a whole nother level when you're looking at efficacy, right. So anyway, going back to the electron transfer and electron flow as soon as your feet are on the ground, and as soon as your skin is in contact with the earth, you're immediately neutralized to the same frequency as the electric frequency that's on the earth. So there's different ways that they've found out if that works or not. One, Clint started messing around with a capacitor, a capacitor will stop the electron flow from happening, but just keep the amperage or the Hertz up or something, I don't know what this one is, I'm not an electrician, so that I can be clear with what how capacitors work, please don't just don't even get me to try talking about that. I'll talk about the science of inbody stuff all day long. But I can't go deep into capacitor, but I can tell you is I know that it stops the electron flow. Okay. And when they did studies on on smaller groups of people, when the capacitor was part of the earthing equipment, people's pain came back in their inflammation came back, but when they did not have the capacitor, and that could be a full stream, electronic flow, because all you're doing is having that wire directly bringing in what we normally you used to have all the time, because we were wearing leather shoes, and we barefoot all the time in the summer, you know, like people who had more connection with the earth. And it's not just the dirt, either, it's rocks in the mountains and the water, if you're in the ocean, like your your air links, you're getting all of this electric current, it's all part of Mother Earth, right. And once you tap into it, your body receives free radical damage, like activity, where you did gets neutralized. And the studies that they did show that in a few different ways.

Dr. Spencer Baron: 12:43

You You've brought up an interesting point. So we kind of know, and, and it may be a knowledge base that everybody's aware of, or a lot of people are aware we sleep better when it's raining, or when it's storming out, or I think we have or, you know, just being well, at the you get there was like an ion exchange or something like that. Does that have anything to do with what you happen to know that has, you know, electrical conductivity experience with the Earth, you know,

Unknown: 13:19

international side of electricity? Yes, yes, yes, yes. Anybody who's not watching this right now? Just go watch the video was funny. Okay, so your point is actually poignant. And from my experience, and from what I understand, the reason that people may sleep better with the rain or with thunder and lightning, and that kind of thing is kind of twofold. One is the frequency of the meditative component of it, you know, there's a lot of binaural sound that happens with rain and frequency that that calms down the nervous system and calms down your brain so that you don't have as much of the, you know, the hamster wheel going on in your brain so you can relax and chill more. That's one thing that happens with storms, but also just think about conduction, right? If your feet are dry, and you're standing on the earth, that's one way to look at it. Now put feet with rain and standing on there. How much more are you going to take in? Got it? Right? Yeah. So when there's rain, that means you're also going to have higher dew points in the air. So you're going to have more water in the air for you that'll also be attracted to your skin, which means that your skin becomes more conductive as a full body system instead of just your feet or whatever you're touching. So there's those two aspects of it. There's the meditative and then there's the, the water conductivity.

Dr. Spencer Baron: 14:46

Interesting. Yeah. So the big problem that we experienced now in society is now everybody's into sneakers, it's become a collector's item. So in other words, everybody's covering their feet conscious Simply and you know, spending tons of money on sneakers or, you know, or shoes even. But how does that transition from, you know, barefoot to synthetic footwear? And how has that affected society? Would it happen to have anything to do with some of the chronic illnesses and immune disorders that we have today?

Unknown: 15:26

Actually, there is a correlation. There's an epidemiological correlation with when we started excessively producing plastics, plastics have only been around for 60 years. Do you realize that? No, I know, it blows your mind feels like I've been around for one or 200 At this point, right? It's only in the last years. And the same, the same case goes for is the same time that they started industrializing our food, like the trans fats and excitotoxins, what is it trans fat, it's like one molecule away from plastic. It's what makes it stay. With a shelf life. That's the same thing. So there's a massive correlation between plastics, our feet, and our food. And I know that we're not going in a food direction today. But they were both synthesized at the same time. So you can now recognize the fact that not only the things that you were ingesting, completely altered, but now we are no longer connected to the earth. And that electric frequency that helps to mitigate the excessive dam damage from those oxidative species. Because we're not connected to the earth to do it. We're usually we were you know, and so we had this whole, like, infinite supply of electrons to help us to decrease those those damaged tissue situations. Right. So yeah, there's definitely a correlation between the advent of plastics and rubber, us wearing things like that on our feet, and and our bodies, our skin, I mean, think a lot of our clothes being polyester, when our rugs, remember, the rugs in the 70s, those those were all completely like, like sitting in a sound room. In a podcast, there was zero frequency moving in or out of your body from the earth with that kind of stuff. So it depends on what your floor is, it depends on where you're standing in. Yes, it depends on even, you know, the thicknesses of calluses or feet, and how well you can have conductivity. But there's 100% correlation between the toxins in our environment, the toxins we now eat, and the synthetic plastics and rubbers that were created all the same time to go into both verticals of commerce.

Dr. Terry Weyman: 17:46

You know, Grace I got, when I first got introduced to grounding. We would do thermography fees on a bike and see all the hotspots, the reds, the yellows, and then we would put, you know that laying on the bed and wires into the ground. And also within 20 minutes, they're green and people felt there. You mentioned that a little bit about Clint taken the alligator plugging plugging into a rod and going to hit the ground. Yet, we see now we see some of these commercial products that are considered grounding mats and grounding mattresses and grounding this and that, and you plug him into the wall of the house. And we've actually, I haven't gotten any results. You know, I've looked at people and I and they go, I feel the same. And so we're we're now commercializing this whole grounding thing. And I'm thinking maybe that's where some of the skepticism comes from, because they don't work. Can you explain why? Some work in St. White, some don't work. running wires out of your house is sometimes better, even though it's it's, it's sometimes it's really difficult to do if you live in the city. He can explain a little bit about that.

Unknown: 18:53

Yeah, there's one thing that just needs to be addressed here is what are you testing for, you know, you can test to see if your outlet is grounded or not. And if you buy the right equipment, which is clinic equipment, they provide you with that tester. So if somebody is plugged into a plug in their house that may not potentially have a grounding segment, they're not going to get the effect. So you need to make sure, I mean, think about it. Obviously, your house is grounded. All the electricity in the house has to be grounded. It's cold, like it's impossible to have electricity in your home without being grounded. So, you know, there. I remember even talking to Clint about this, too. He's like, You know what, even if you have zero access to getting something out of a window, go and just hold on to one of your copper pipes. A copper pipe goes down into the ground, and it's gonna carry a charge. Now how long you have to hold it as a whole lot more. You know, you may have to be there for a while. Right? But the point is, there's nothing in your home that, that shouldn't not be grounded. So if you're not getting results with using a grounding pad, you're probably using one that's a knockoff of his work. And you might be using one that's not in a grounded, actually grounded outlet.

Dr. Terry Weyman: 20:16

So for those people, so you would just have to test each outlet to find out which ones are actually grounded and which ones aren't.

Unknown: 20:25

It's like this, it's about two inches long and three inches tall with two little lights on top. And when you plug it into your outlet, the lights come on, or they don't. So it's, it's classic, again, electrician stuff that I don't understand, because I'm too much more interested in biology. But now I'm realizing that biology is electricity. So it's kind of becoming one of the same. In fact, that was the big aha was, that came out of a lot of cleanse work. And their their research was that our immune system is an electric circuit. And it just as much as our cardiovascular system is an electric circuit. Fascinating, isn't it?

Dr. Spencer Baron: 21:07

There's a book? Oh, my gosh, maybe 40 years ago by? Was it free? Tough? copra? No, it was called the Body Electric. And, I mean, it was this thick on the quantification and qualifications, but, you know, they used salamanders and how they regenerate tails, if you break off a tale of a salamander, and they were looking to figure out how they can do that with the human body, which would be pretty cool. But that was, like 40 years ago. So they discovered that yeah, that's,

Unknown: 21:43

that's that actually it was inspired me. Clint asked me to do a study with him. And this is at a time when I just come out of school and I was, so kid, oh my god. And I'm like, okay, because I had I had, you know, experience doing cancer research and Immunology at the University of Minnesota Minneapolis and, and so um, I was familiar with lab work and I liked doing lab work and but to design a study and perform one outside of having it any sort of, like, you know, accredited place to do it, I was kind of a fish out of water on that one. And, but I did give him an idea that he really liked and it was using that same premise spends where there's a nematode or worm, when you cut it in half long way. So that it splits, it regenerates, it just comes back together. Or you can you can chop off its head and grow new head, you know, it's just this weird little worm, right? So, what I wanted to do is put some in petri dishes and you know, like, cut off some of the tail or, you know, whatever, and have the, those petri dishes sitting on plants or thing pad, and then have the other ones not on an earthing pad and just see how long that regeneration process would happen. So I'm, I never got to do the experiment. And I still could now I guess, just to do it just for funsies. But I'm not going to try to write some sort of, you know, paper that's gonna get published in Nature magazine, you know, I'm like, it's just not trying to accomplish. But the idea is exactly that, you know, the body regenerates. And it will do that if you let it and if you give it other things to help facilitate your natural processes, it's going to happen even faster.

Dr. Spencer Baron: 23:30

That's pretty cool. Yeah. And actually, that book was so done so long ago, I think it was a biomedical Dr. Robert Becker. Not I was reading another book. Free, tough cut read. That was pretty cool at the same time, many years ago. So I wanted to stand corrected on that. But the the introduction of you know, and I'm glad dr. Terry qualified, I've always heard of grounding. And then the other day, I was talking about you being on the show. And they they didn't know what grounding was I go. And they were of my generation, they said, earthing and I go, Oh, because when when did that transition? Or was that always synonymous grounding and earthing? Or did

Unknown: 24:11

that one above my paygrade? I'm sorry, I don't know. Sometimes, you can be really smart and softer and say, You know what? I don't know. I'll have to look that up. Because I genuinely, I've heard every time that we've ever had discussions with Clint Eastwood. He's used both. So I don't know and I don't think one is exclusive of the other. I think it's just what you know. Honestly,

Dr. Spencer Baron: 24:39

it's fantastic. I wanted to ask about the this grounding match, you know, the ones that you don't feel anything, you just lay on it, and it's plugged into the wall and what have you and there's a multilevel marketing company, which kind of put a bad taste in my mouth when I got exposed to it that way. You know, even though it has merit, and we saw somebody marketing it to a lot of our athletes and some had a good experience, I don't know if it was power of suggestion and others didn't. Could you give a little perspective on this grounding mat?

Unknown: 25:17

A huge perspective on that. Hold on Ah, oh, is from earthing. This is cleanse work right here. So I'm sitting on this because I actually do you have a little low back pain today. And the two best doctors I know live on the other side of the coast. So I just have to sit here deal with it. I just like it's my guy a little bit here. But um, but since I woke up this morning, cool, and was preparing for this. This is this is how I sit. And I'm wearing shorts right now so that I can be skin on this pad and receiving all that electric flow and plugged into the wall. I'm plugged into an extension cord that is grounded. Yeah. Just want here.

Dr. Terry Weyman: 26:11

Grace, I'm gonna interrupt something right there. Because if Spencer and I sat on the mat with shorts on, we would not be touching skin to the mat.

Dr. Spencer Baron: 26:22

Shorts. Back in the 70s, I probably would have took out my hot pants. Shorts. or Now they call them boy shorts. Shorts.

Unknown: 26:42

working too hard, right? I got on a lunch? No.

Dr. Terry Weyman: 26:51

But how do you know he's always tan? So I do have to go back to to the concept. How long is there a timeframe that research says is a good amount of time per day? Is there like a quantitative time when we should be connected?

Unknown: 27:10

As a matter of fact, from health magazine in 2015, there was a study and this is the actual title of the study. One our contact with the Earth's surface. Grounding improves inflammation and blood flow a randomized double blind pilot study.

Dr. Terry Weyman: 27:28

Now, is that a continuous hour? Or is that broken up to the day?

Unknown: 27:31

One hour? Yeah, they said one full hour. And they use thermal imaging with this one too, as you were discussing earlier, and it does, they showed clear improvement in circulations of fluids, including lead through the torso, which translated into enhance delivery of blood to the head and improve blood circulation in the face. So all that was shown on thermal imaging in this study, too. And it did show that there were significant there is one hour, I'm reading for you it says the results of this innovative study demonstrate that even one our contact with the earth appears to promote significantly autonomic nervous system control of body fluids and peripheral blood flow one hour. And

Dr. Terry Weyman: 28:15

when was that? 2015? You said?

Unknown: 28:17

15? Correct.

Dr. Terry Weyman: 28:19

So there's a long time ago. And and so the other question I have is, you know, though, is it the more you contact? So like if you want to sit in the sand at the beach, you know, and you put your entire body in the sand versus just walking on the feet? Is there any studies that say there's more skin is herring contact the better? Or is it is it just in the body part?

Unknown: 28:46

The the premise is that just as long as you're connected, you know, just like when the rod is connected into the earth, it doesn't have to be like a cylinder that's 10 feet wide, it just just having that rod in there allows for for electrical conduction, you know, so, obviously, if your whole body is laying down, you're just gonna be able to absorb more efficiently. You know, just just like I've said earlier, though, to like, if you're in the, if your body is on the sand and is wet, then you're going to get even better conductivity. You know, so just just think more so the process of conduction. And and, yeah, you know, I mean, from what I understand the more you can get contact, like timelines, the better because we have always been in contact, you know, our bodies are designed to have had contact with the earth all the time. And then through industrialization when we stopped doing that, you know, we start having that natural mitigator of, of reactive oxygen species that just hang out in our bodies and create tissue damage. So if as much time as you can be, you can't overdo it. I mean, that's our, that's ours, it's our feedback loop, look at it like that. It's our feedback loop, right? If you have inflammation, there's something in your body that brings inflammation down, right. And I can go into all the details of it. But we know, there's the Omega threes, and there's the prostaglandin cascades. And as all these, everything in our body has a sense of homeostasis, if something goes up, there's something there to come in and bring it back down. So you have homeostasis, so that you're at that natural, normal painfree optimal state, that's, that's our purpose is to be here like that. Not to be in pain all the time and figure out how to not have pain and take a pill for it. But instead, find out where the pain is coming from, and amplify the piece of that homeostatic cycle that's being blocked off. And earthing slash grounding is one of those things that helps to do that on an every single cell of your body because every single cell of your body has an electric charge. The one of the coolest studies that I read the end that Clint told me about this one, too. And this is one that kind of blew my mind. And I'm like, All right, I'm never going back to not using this ever again. He did, he made an alliance with a cardiologist who was a retired card cardiologist in San Diego, in cardiology, they're very, it's the one practice in allopathic medicine, where they're super aware of electricity. And when they do cardiac surgery, they have to ground the patient, and they ground room because what we have a sino atrial node, our sino atrial nodes are now measurable, 15 feet from our body, creating electric current, these are some things that James oschmann told me about, like back in the early 2000s, you can actually measure the electricity for the sinoatrial node, 15 feet from a body. So when you're doing surgery on a cardiac patient, they have all that electricity to keep the keep the heart going, when you know the bloods flowing, if they're especially if it's open heart surgery, and they're just working on a heart not pumping, they have to have all these other things pumping stay alive, then they bring the heart back to life with with that electricity, right. So that's why working with the cardiologist was so important for Clint because they were like two peas in a pod when it came to talking about electricity, but just by electricity versus electric, you know, current, right? Well, the very first study that they did, they took a whole bunch of doctors from the hospital, and they took their blood. And they use dark spectrum microscopy, you know, where you can look at the live blood, right. And almost every single doctor in that hospital had a Reuleaux formation. What a Reuleaux formation is, is when your red blood cells stack up on themselves, you know, like, like, how they look in a lifesavers pack, right? Or, or like if you would stack up chips at the, at the gambling table like that's, that's called a Reuleaux formation. And when that happens, microcirculation decreases, you can't get oxygen to the through those little tiny vessels in your body. So you start getting like, like brain fog and pain states and tingling and you get less oxygenation. If you have less oxygen, you have less ability to fight off pathogens, anything that's a bad guy, like a virus, bacteria, anything you know, that your body needs to fighting off against, cannot live in an oxygen rich environment. So the less oxygen you have, the more propensity you have for disease, as well. So all these doctors have this really Reuleaux formation, they put the guys on a pad like this, inside the house in the inside a hospital, the one that I'm sitting on, and they took their blood four times in the hour, at the end of the hour, every single one of them, every single one of them had zero Reuleaux formation, which means that the conclusively could show that the red blood cells directly intake the current from the earth and then repel each other because they're all negatively charged and repel each other, which makes the blood more viscous and makes everything oxygenate better. And everything move better through your body. Shut up with that. I mean, come on. If anybody has any kind of understanding of science or just like love of the body and how how profoundly amazing the connection is of things. You can't you can't unsee that you can't unhear that you can you cannot tell me for one second, that that needs to be debunked. It doesn't. It's just you looked at blood. It looked like this before looked at blood. It looks like this now and then they took that study went further and deeper with it too, you know, but it's pretty cool as far as I'm concerned.

Dr. Spencer Baron: 34:46

Why do you think it hasn't caught on like wildfire based on these principles that are based on truth?

Unknown: 34:55

Yeah, I can only speak from the place where I learned from which is these principles and truth You know, I haven't been exposed to the MLM you're talking about. And thank God, I don't want to be, you know, I mean, any of the studies that you read when you really look at these from the perspective of true science and and, you know, double blind randomized placebo trials, which is what Clint did. And his team, you know, they had no idea what the outcomes would be. But they just kept seeing over and over and over again, how inflammation was affected, how pain was reduced, you know, how, how body function increased how the autoimmune disorders decreased? The I mean, it was, again, and again, all kinds of statements about this by doing actual research.

Dr. Spencer Baron: 35:45

Just out of curiosity, and this just came, came to mind, not everybody's close to the beach, or not everyone, you know, not everybody can walk barefoot, on, you know, grassy area. Does even walking on pavement at Desert, can you walk barefoot on a sidewalk? Or no, yes, when

Unknown: 36:06

I was, I was curious about that, too. And actually, I've read about it on, on the earthing.com website, they have like a whole space that just has all this information in these studies and stuff. And again, if you go to earthing institute.net, there's a lot more of these studies and that kind of thing, but there's an FAQ portion there. And they do say that, you know, being on the cement can have an impact on decreasing your, or decreasing the blockage of electronic flow. Right, you'll still get some of it. But of course, you can't have rubber shoes on, you know, which is another problem, right? And then it also said to, you know, like, even just exfoliating your body, how close to the skin can these electrons actually get, right, like things like this, where there's all these little nuances to of how connected you are. But the obvious and most clear way to do it is to just, you know, even if you are in the middle of a city, pretty much every city in America has some parks. You know, and, and, and best case area, get yourself a pad and put it on your bed from Clint. That's, you know, yeah.

Dr. Terry Weyman: 37:27

You mentioned the pad. If, if for those listening, if they're businessman sitting at a desk, and they can't put on their hot pants, or their G string like Spencer, can, can you take the the pattern really put on the ground?

Unknown: 37:42

cannot unsee it really

Dr. Terry Weyman: 37:45

hasn't go there. But

Dr. Spencer Baron: 37:47

I'm wearing I'm wearing pants today. So

Dr. Terry Weyman: 37:53

if they can't sit on the pad, they could literally put on the ground, take the shoes and socks off. And while they're at their desk working, they can put their bare feet on this pad. Right? Yeah, right and get their hour a day. Right. So if they're, if they're stressful lawyer that the CPA the, the CFO that's glued to a desk for 14 hours a day. And they're not seeing clients, they can take the shoes and socks off put a mat as long as it's tested on the ground, put their bare feet on it while they're working out their desk and get their hour a day doing. Or

Unknown: 38:26

you can put the pad on top of your desk and put your computer on top of it. So your your hands are on the pad while you're using your computer with it all kinds of ways.

Dr. Terry Weyman: 38:38

Would the mat affect the computer?

Unknown: 38:41

No, it'll make it less staticky. That's one of the reasons that that Clint did this in the first place. He was living in Arizona, and every time he would touch his computer, and this is back in the day when it took forever for the modem to be like you listen to the net. Do remember this. So you're on an awful lot. And so he put a grounding strip by his wrist, and he would touch that copper strip first and then he touches Cooter, and he never had it turned off. So if anything, it helps. Now most computers don't even have that as an issue anymore. But they do have you know, emission of EMFs so it helps to reduce that intake as well, too. And of course, what's really interesting is they I mean, if you just surf around on on birthing.com they they've got all kinds of products like even have flip flops now. They so they have shoes you can wear that don't that allow for conduction through them. So that's kind of cool that you can have that. They have pillowcases. They've got socks, they've got like a throw so if you're sitting in watching TV, you can have this blanket throw on you and you'll get a you're grounding through that. So there's there's a lot of different options that what Clint likes to call the creature comforts. You know, at first it was all just about this plastic pad and it was really comfortable to sleep on instead of like you're about to get murdered there like somebody's like putting plastic on your bed for you just in case. But it's a lot different than that now. And there's a lot of other options of things to use, including, you know, patches and stuff to that, like back in the day, Terry, that's what we had, right, we had that little patches thing that we put around the wound sites to be able to accelerate tissue repair. And they still have those kinds of like 10s units sort of patch stuff that you can use to so there's just go on the website and look at what they've got. It's sort of like,

Dr. Terry Weyman: 40:39

going back to the science with lately, we've had a lot of increase in mental health and anxiety, depression. And we know that our sympathetic nervous system, our parasympathetic system, needs to be imbalanced for our brain and our brain health to be imbalanced. How does grounding affect both our parasympathetic and sympathetic according to the research,

Unknown: 41:05

from what I found, that particular vertical of study was really brought to a space of clarity with some of the cortisol studies that they were doing, as you know, our flight or fight hormone that gets released as cortisol right, when the sympathetics are starting to do their job. Now, unfortunately, we don't ever stop running from the bear anymore, right? Like, that's what our systems are waiting for, at the time, the adrenals kick in so that you're asking kid get kicked in and run away from the bear. Right? But then you finally get away and you get to the tree and you can just take a breath and like, okay, and then you'll be able to poop again, and sleep again, and all the other things. So cortisol creates the constipation, it creates that heightened awareness, it creates the inability to sleep, because you're trying to survive to stay alive, right. So the interesting correlation between grounding and cortisol that was done, this was also done by that cardiologist. In the study that they did, cortisol at midnight starts to drop, and it drops significantly, so that you're sleeping, right, at 4am, it starts to rise and Spike again, which is what's giving you the energy you want to get out of bed. And it keeps rising and spiking till about 6pm. That's a natural cortisol cycle if you're connected to the earth. And here's the fascinating part. The earth this is what they found that they're doing this as as far as why the cortisol actually gets affected because the cortisol did go down, he did a study that with a bunch of people and had them do cortisol testing. And then for I think, a six week period of time, they, they're using their earthing equipment, and they came back, and when they first started, everybody looked like spaghetti, you know, like, there was no rhyme or rhythm to the timing of stuff. He this is what he said it like, it looked like spaghetti. But then, when the study was over, it was in a complete perfect band, like all the people were, it had the same same timing when their cortisol was released. So what they discovered with that is like, okay, that obviously has nothing to do with light. Because, you know, the grounding equipment has no effect. With light, it's just the earth. So there's something about the earth that's happening when we sleep that we're connecting to, right so what they found was that when the sun starts to rise on your part of the world, there's these little Eddie's that are created of electricity, and it starts to they start to activate the eddies activate. So that there's you know, there's more the heat that rises, you know, like all the all the activity that happens from the sunshine hitting and the electrons become more energized, as electrons are becoming more energized, that's infusing into your body so you're becoming more energized right? Now here's what's also interesting and since you'll be out with me on this one and you too, you will to Terry because you know my my patterns with this one, but at 2pm Every day cortisol goes down again because the eddies get very quiet again at that time. So that siesta time when my nap time, like don't mess with my nap time. Also, I have my naps, right? That's if you feel tired between two and 4pm is because you're probably more connected to the earth than most people because the Earth is tired time. I know right? So like nap time we're so yeah, that's that's I was that was really fascinating thing to eat as well so that the sun energy Seeing the earth is what regulates cortisol, and that affects the electron flow. So the more we can regulate cortisol, the more we can decrease the excessive damaging mental and women's health issues, thyroid problems, female hormone issues, when there's excess cortisol in your system, the cortisol eats the females normal hormones first to get fuel to stay alive, which crashes our thyroid and causes pre menopausal symptoms. Or if you're in menopause, it makes it even worse for us. So women in particular, get a double whammy with this, if you are in a stressful environment, if you are not mitigating your cortisol levels and getting them to decrease into their normal patterns and normal spaces. cortisol goes in and starts taking away from your other hormones to keep itself functioning, and then you have even more problems. So the sympathetic nervous system never shuts up, basically, is what happens and by using the grounding mechanisms, and getting those continuous flows of of electric, electric, so that is totally when the electron flow there, excuse me, but getting that continuous electron flow, it helps to get you more in tune with the natural rhythms of the earth. And therefore decrease cortisol, therefore decreasing a lot of the problems that we have not only female health disorders, but also mental disorders.

Dr. Spencer Baron: 46:54

The I always heard that you know, things about full moons, and you know, the way the tide pulls in and out. And I mean, these things you've been hearing about the effects on on behavior for years, like full moon, and I would, I would often ask a friend of mine who worked in the emergency room, and she swore by the fact that, you know, during full moon, you'd have more people going crazy, admitted to the emergency room. So it kind of makes sense, you know, that we respond to the Earth's atmospheric changes and grounding it. And I think that's a fantastic word, because everybody wants to feel grounded. And grounding is just kind of a, you know, it parlays into, you know, how healthy it is to be grounded? Or

Unknown: 47:50

I mean, think about it, our bodies are what 70 To 80% Water life affected by the moon, when it can pull the entire ocean out of the beach? Why would it not do something to your cell structure when we are made out of water? You know, think about it? Of course it does? Of course it does. And how you tune into that depends on what kind of technologies you use that that have this ancient wisdom attached to it, I mean, look at things like P, E and F, and that use a really good Taurus to R Us, right? That's, that's like that circular energy that flows around all of us. And when you're using a good PMF machine, you're increasing those frequencies and therefore allowing for better cellular function and all the other things. And so all these high tech, deeper devices that, you know, the three of us know a lot about, because we've been using in our practice for a long time now and is now just finally becoming into awareness. And most people. I mean, I think it's fascinating when you lead this podcast today saying that, Oh, there's a big surgence in grounding. Oh, really? Okay, you know, I mean, I couldn't imagine not doing it. I've been doing this since 2000. And so with one of the stuff that we've been talking about for a very long time, is now finally considered valid in scientific literature, because it's made it past 15 to 20 years, right. And even then, 15 to 20 years ago, we were doing double blind randomized trials. So unless you're looking at the wrong kind of science, and the wrong kind of equipment, you're not doing the wrong thing. And just to be clear, none of the stuff that we're talking about today we're not I'm not, you know, making any disclaimers that if you get a grounding pattern, we're going to cure your cancer, like there's no way that we can make those kinds of leaps to any of this. However, why not give your body everything it possibly can have that we've been designed to have access to which is free mother, or protect her and protect your body by being with her, you know, that's period bottom line.

Dr. Spencer Baron: 49:59

This So we hear about all the positive, give you the scientific data that's out there, and the research and all that. And is there just like anything else? Is there others out there that? Is there other science or research that says it doesn't, that they couldn't reproduce? You know, the health benefits or the benefits from his? Or is there something that someone might read that? They would say otherwise? Yeah,

Unknown: 50:29

well, I'm sure that there are I didn't go down. I did not find those at the top of my search engines. You know, when I was looking for research in my way, as a doctor who's done laboratory research, and looking at PubMed and looking at, you know, Google Scholar instead, the things that popped up to the top first were the studies that were done the longest time ago, and in the most, the most conclusive ways that that show the efficacy of how this stuff did work. Now, I guess if I went on a rampage to try and find studies that debunked it, I could, you know, there's, there's always something that's out there, but that's not my job. My job is to see how it works and why and get to the science of it, so that I can amplify it a patient's body that comes into my office when I learned about how neutrophil is an electric circuit, which is a white blood cell, right. So when we have a wound in our body, neutrophils go into the area, they encapsulate the wound in, you know, the the bacteria and the stuff that's there. And then reactive oxygen species are spit out of the neutrophil to help contain and destroy the thing, that's the pathogen, the bad guy. Well, unless there's, you know, a way for you like with antioxidants and other things, or cold laser therapy, or PMF, or hyperbaric, oxygen therapy, all the things that we use, unless you have those things, working alongside of our natural electric circuit of immunology cells, you keep getting this feedback loop of this of tissue getting damaged, because the free radicals that get extracted from the RLs, being eliminated from the neutrophil will just take electrons from the healthy tissue next door to to become neutralized, right? So when you're looking at something like grounding, where we have an abundantly infinite, impossible to ever, and source of RLS neutralization, why would you not want to use that?

Dr. Terry Weyman: 52:42

You know, on that note, I'm gonna be the devil's advocate, because there's gonna be people that listen, listening to a devil's advocate. A lot of people when they hear the word grounding, I know ignorance is a big part of it, but they'll hear the word grounding. And they immediately think of hippy pseudoscience, you know, all that kind of stuff? How do we How does the true science override that? How do we get past that I guess it time could be one thing, but how do we get past that?

Unknown: 53:11

I don't know if you're talking so much about science here, or social science? Honestly, Terry, you know, because the science has been screaming from the mountaintops about how this works for decades now. But how our social science and how we receive it is the problem, right? It's what you're saying, honestly, and people you know, we're in this really interesting time where world is changing, our minds are changing. You know, we're noticing now that things that we've invested our lives in for 2040 I won't say how many years, years, years, we've been doing things you know, I mean, we've we've, we have had the privilege and the honor of being in clinics and, and creating these healing events over and over and over and over again, with our hands and the equipment that we use, and doing them with nature, first as chiropractors, integrative medicine experts, and you know, the practitioners that we are so we are living in a bubble, the three of us on this show right now, you know, I mean, to me, this stuff is no brainer, like duh, of course it works. I've seen it over and over again, why would it not work, right? But it's true that we do live in a bubble. And unfortunately, the bubble that needs to be popped is that people now have the three second attention span six seconds if you're lucky. And you need to prove within that amount of time that you can show in an entertaining tic Tukey way, how important these things are. And you know what? I will any day, listen to hippie dippie bullshit because nine times out of 10 what people were doing in the 60s and 70s, are now being shown to be the most scientifically relevant ways to approach medicine. And in fact, there's an entire this entire field of science that's starting now, that's kind of based in that, but is using our new technologies. And it's called spatial omics. Where they're looking at Yeah, I know, this is this is where my techie gets in, like, my trajectory of my my life at this moment. But it measures physical tissue structure and the molecular characteristics at the same time. And so biology, physiology, and pathology are all looked at at once. So you're looking at it at the cell and how it connects spatially. So we're getting these entirely new ways of looking at what the hippies I guess, were saying in the beginning, we're all connected. We're all connected. And guess what, we're all connected to the earth, we walk on her, we live on her, we are part of the earth we come from, and go back to whether you believe that spiritually or religiously, you know, it doesn't matter. The point is, these carbon meat bodies that we've got the Meat Puppets that we are, as we have our feet on this planet, we have this one shot around, and our minds can expand into spaces that our bodies could never possibly imagine. But our minds will take our bodies where they need to go to because of that interconnectivity, you just got to listen, and just gotta be open enough to realize that it's it. We're here to do this together as a unified, symbiotic, and precious way. And, you know, hopefully, more of that change is happening now. Because I'm seeing it I'm seeing revolutions in this in the tech industry, I'm seeing Renaissance is of it in our own industry, you know, our, our, our group of people who have been screaming about this kind of information, are now being looked at as experts rather than wanting to be put in jail like our our forefathers, were right. So you know, as long as we keep speaking to science, and we keep showing the clinical results, then the rest of the culture will start to be able to get have the inspiration that we do in our bubble every day.

Dr. Spencer Baron: 57:17

Grace, that was actually a perfect way to end this enlightening conversation. So thank you. And I feel like I need to go out and take a walk on the beach with my bare feet. This is good. So thank you, Grace, thank you so much for sharing that. And given us the science, as well as just the the understanding that basic understanding. So thank you.

Unknown: 57:45

You know, it's absolutely my pleasure to always share some some brain time with you guys. And this time in general. You know, I adore both of you. And I'm grateful for both of you. And the fact that we can have these conversations just brings me joy. So thank you for trusting me with Clint work. And thank you Clint over for the work that you have done for all of us to understand how to heal better and to do so with what you can create it.

Dr. Spencer Baron: 58:09

Excellent. Thanks. Thank you for listening to today's episode of The cracking backs podcast. We hope you enjoyed it. Make sure you follow us on Instagram at cracking backs podcast. catch new episodes every Monday. See you next time.