Can Hypnotherapy Rewire Your Brain—and Break Bad Habits for Good?

What if the fastest way to change your life isn’t more willpower—but a better doorway into your subconscious?
On today’s Crackin’ Backs Podcast, hypnotherapist Dayana Muzinek (Grace Method™ certified) pulls back the curtain on how hypnotherapy works, why it’s more than “stage hypnosis,” and how focused consciousness can help rewire cue–craving–response patterns that drive anxiety, insomnia, IBS/gut issues, chronic pain, vaping, and doom-scrolling. Dayana breaks down her go-to Grace Method flow—from induction to suggestion to post-session homework—and gives listeners a 90-second at-home interrupt (breath + word cue + micro-move) you can use the moment worry blindsides you. (Grace Method training details here.

We also go where the clicks are:

• Sleep hypnosis & insomnia: What a three-step sleep hypnosis stack looks like, where hypnosis helps, and where the evidence is still emerging. (Peer-reviewed reviews/meta-analyses suggest promise but mixed methodology.
• Gut-directed hypnotherapy (IBS): Why clinicians are calling GDH “guideline-adjacent” and how sessions may reset the gut–brain axis; plus a calm-the-gut script outline to try at home for a week. (Multiple meta-analyses and RCTs show improvements in global IBS symptoms.
• Chronic pain: Where hypnosis fits best (often as an adjunct), and which levers matter most—expectations, imagery, and self-hypnosis between visits. (Recent meta-analytic work supports benefits across mental and somatic outcomes.
• Modern habits & identity change: From vaping to doom-scrolling to GLP-1 era weight loss, Dayana explains how hypnosis supports pre/during/post-GLP-1 phases by targeting the two identity shifts that sustain new behavior.
• Safety & ethics: We tackle myths about false memories and outline Dayana’s trauma-sensitive, evidence-based guardrails, including the safe boundary for self-hypnosis at home.

If you’ve ever searched “Does hypnosis really work for anxiety?”, “sleep hypnosis for insomnia,” “hypnotherapy for IBS,” or “how to break bad habits with hypnosis,” this conversation gives you science, structure, and a starter routine you can use tonight.

Learn More / Book with Dayana

• Connect with Dayana Muzinek (LinkedIn): She’s a Grace Method™ Certified Hypnotherapist and active member of IACT. Message her directly for session inquiries and availability.
• About the Grace Method™ (school, approach, app): Training, philosophy, and consumer resources.

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Transcript

Dr. Spencer Baron: 0:01

Welcome guests. Everyone ever feel like your mind is the bouncer to the door of your habits of deciding what gets in, what gets to leave? Today, we have the hypnotherapist Diana muznak. She's trained in the grace method and an approach built to rewire your subconscious so new, healthier thought patterns actually stick. Welcome to the show, Diana.

Dayana Muzinek: 0:28

Thank you for having me.

Dr. Spencer Baron: 0:30

Welcome before we get into the juice of this conversation. You know, we've heard that hypnotherapy is just kind of a form of like a focused consciousness. Could you elaborate on what it actually is? So the audience has a strong understanding of this type of therapy,

Dayana Muzinek: 0:47

sure, and that's exactly right. And it is focused. Imagine it being meditation with a goal, right? And so what we do is we quiet the mind, we relax it so much the body. So we're in this relaxed, safe state that allows us to reach the subconscious mind, and so we use that hypnosis during hypnotherapy.

Dr. Spencer Baron: 1:14

So how do you do that with with when somebody comes in? Because, you know, we see patients that are so tense and tight and it's just, you know, not everybody can relax the same ways. Do you have a approach when somebody comes in?

Dayana Muzinek: 1:32

Yeah. So ironically enough, by the time they get to a hypnotherapist, they come as the last resort, right? So they may have tried talk therapy, they might have tried other types of therapy, and they'll sit and be like, You're my last resort. I need help. And at that moment, we have that conversation where it's, what do you want to feel instead? How can I help you? And so with that conversation, we get to know them, their needs, and see what limiting beliefs are sitting in the subconscious, so that we can get them to that relaxed state, then we get into a little bit of self hypnosis, which just teaches them to relax the mind. And so when they relax the mind and the body, then it's really easy for them to feel safe, feel comfortable, and get in that hypnotic state, which we're every day, we're in it right when you drive to work, when you're showering, we're all in that hypnotic state. Interesting.

Dr. Terry Weyman: 2:28

What's the difference between? Because, you know, you we mentioned your grace method, you know, I'll be honest with you, I haven't heard of any other methods other than hypnotherapy. So what is the grace method versus everything and why people want a switch. When they come to therapy, they want that quick switch. They want something I just want to feel better. They want that pill. They want that Google. They want that chat. Bpts, I did that at first venture, by the way. So they want that quick switch. You know, what is a grace method? And what do you mainly see with this?

Dayana Muzinek: 3:07

Yeah, so the grace method. I went to the grace myth School of hypnotherapy, and she created her method, which is really going into the deep science of it, and then creating the session, so that we have the induction, we have the session, which is the work and the emerging part of it. And she started doing this and certifying the people that wanted to become a hypnotherapist and being accredited by IAC, which is the International Association of counselors and therapists. So having the grace method is just that. I studied under Grace Smith, and I follow her style, and then eventually we'll develop our own styles.

Dr. Terry Weyman: 3:46

Correct, you know. How do you when you first talk to people you know as chiropractors, we're always breaking paradigms of, we're back crackers, we're not real doctors, we're we've heard them all, you know. And how do you break the paradigm of, you know, you're gonna get somebody to collect like a chicken, you know? Because we've heard it all, we might as well just address the elephant in the room, right? So how do you get past people to realize that this is a real form of therapy and not just a show on stage? Yeah?

Dayana Muzinek: 4:20

So that is the biggest challenge that we have as hypnotherapist today, right? So when you think of hypnotherapy, you think of clucking like a chicken. You think of the stage hypnosis. And when you're doing the stage hypnosis, you're in that wonderful state where it's you're highly suggestible, because you volunteer to be there. And so whatever the stage hypnotist tells you do you're most likely going to do. Hollywood hasn't helped us either, because Hollywood does that. You know, you're falling asleep. And so we're trying to dispel all that stuff. And I heard this once being said, so it's not voodoo, it's you do. So when it comes to head.

Unknown: 5:00

Necessary. That is cool, yeah,

Dayana Muzinek: 5:03

and you do all the work. And so going back to your question about that pill and that quick fix, it's almost that desirability, right? If you're on a scale of one to 10, and your desirability to make that change is greater than a seven, then you're already highly suggestible to that change, which means that we're going to align that conscious and the subconscious mind to speak the same language. And so now it's, oh, I want to quit smoking, right? Or I want to release weight, or I want to feel better about myself, or anything else. The desirability is already established.

Dr. Terry Weyman: 5:40

I love that statement, by the way, yeah, we hear hypnotherapy. You mentioned quit smoking, changing bad habits. When I was doing some research on the show, I never thought of going to a hypnotherapist for sleep or insomnia. And you deal a lot with that, and sleep is so important for brain, for for health, or anything like that. Can you walk us through how you like a two or three step procedure, how you would handle insomnia and and, and to get people thinking that hypnotherapy is more than just pattern breaking,

Dayana Muzinek: 6:14

yeah, and insomnia is great, right? It is something that, like you say, we need it to get that restful sleep, and it's also the time that our organs themselves begin to regenerate, right? So the deeper we can go into that sleep, the better off we are. So a technique you can start using is just taking those deep breaths. Taking those deep breaths will get your nervous system to relax, your body to feel safe, and as you're closing your eyes, for whatever reason, our brain, our sneaky self sabotage, begins to bring up all the things that you didn't do today, or all the things that you have to do tomorrow. So if you're in bed and you take a moment to visualize all that stuff and put it in the box, whatever didn't get done. Take your time to really visualize it. See it in the box. What needs to be done tomorrow. Visualize it, because once we have awareness, we have to release it, put it in the box. And then you're going to go ahead and visualize yourself walking to the kitchen or to another room in your house and putting the box away, and what that does is releases all of this to keep going, right? And now you're going to visualize the most delicious, restful sleep, because your mind doesn't know the difference between good or bad what's real and what's not real, right? So the more we visualize it and the more we make it real, our bodies are like, Ah, okay, time to go to sleep. And so those are the three things you can do to really enjoy a restful sleep.

Dr. Terry Weyman: 7:50

So what happens if you have a brain like mine, where soon as I put in the box and put in the kitchen now I start having the anxiety that I won't find it tomorrow? Then okay.

Dayana Muzinek: 8:06

You know the one anxiety is a whole other conversation that we can start, but you keep it a safe place. You can even put it in the bedside table tour so you don't forget it. But the whole idea is to release that worry from the bedroom space.

Dr. Terry Weyman: 8:22

We had a guest that Spencer brought up the the the old thought of counting sheep. Is there some mantras that people can can say to themselves once they put their thought process in their box that take to kind of help relax them.

Dayana Muzinek: 8:41

Yeah, you can do something as simple as I am safe, I'm calm, I'm ready for sleep, right? A lot of people there's insomnia. There's worry, and a lot of high level executives and entrepreneurs have that type of worry. The other insomnia is the fear of going to sleep. You're in such a vulnerable state, right? And so they don't trust either the environment or who they're with to fall asleep. And so when we create that I'm safe, I'm calm, I'm ready for sleep, then you get yourself in that mode.

Dr. Terry Weyman: 9:21

Yeah, that's beautiful. And there's before I Dr Spencer starts going, I got one more thing that, when I was researching, I never thought of hypnotherapy, and that was gut, you know, for your gut. And I'm like, There's gut directed hypnotherapy. Is that a thing?

Dayana Muzinek: 9:38

There is, I think everything directed hypnotherapy, right? That directed is so important because our emotions sit in our tummy, don't they? Like typically, there's that relationship between the tummy and the brain. And so if we were to stop for a moment and say, what's that feeling? It's burning. What? Color would you give it? What does it represent? Can we have that feeling jump outside of your body so we can have a deep conversation with it? And so now that discomfort is outside of us, we take a physical step back and it doesn't define us. And so we create this soothing system where turn it down. If it's red, make it blue, and so whatever discomfort is having in the belly, you're able to control it and make it feel better.

Dr. Spencer Baron: 10:34

Interesting. Has anybody ever fallen asleep while you're Yeah,

Dayana Muzinek: 10:41

it's one. It's just a sign that they're really tired they needed to take a nap, but the information is still going into the subconscious, because, remember, the conscious mind is asleep, right? So while we sleep, we I call it like the chatterbox is the conscious mind, and that's the one that's keeping us safe, right? It is trying to help us, but the truth is, it's hurting us because we have all these rooted beliefs in our subconscious and the conscious is keeping all that safe. And so they just fall asleep. I gently tap them on the shoulder, or I'll say their name if we're on Zoom, and they come back up. Interesting.

Dr. Spencer Baron: 11:22

Yeah. The not just Hollywood, has tainted the image of hypnotherapy with the little pendulum that they but there's also those Las Vegas shows where the hypnotherapy, you know, The Amazing Kreskin, or hypnotherapist, or whatever, he selects people from the audience, or they volunteer to come up on stage, and he hypnotizes them, and they do crazy things. I would like to, you know, know, you would you like to dispel what's actually happening

Dayana Muzinek: 11:56

there? Yeah. So it's really interesting right? A lot of people fear that they are going to reveal their truth serum, right, or they're going to say things that they're going to regret. So if you go back to that state hypnotist again, they're asking for the volunteers, so you're already susceptible to whatever they're going to tell you. And so they say, look like a chicken. One, to be funny, you're going to do it, and two, you volunteer to be there. And so that's all that takes. Now, during a hypnotherapy session, it's a conscious conversation, so there's no truth, feeling that you're going to reveal, you're not going to get stuck in that state. It's never happened so, and it is just the ability to allow, like I said, to give the conscious mind kind of a pause, and let's get into the deliciousness, right? Because, if you think of the brain, Freud actually has that iceberg chart, right? So we have 10% up on top. That's logical thinking willpower so it's not the bottom 90% of the iceberg, and that's habit, feelings, emotions, limiting beliefs, and all of that stuff is shaped from the ages of zero to seven. And so whatever your environment, the elders around you, or entertainment, that is what shapes your subconscious. Then at the age of seven, typically, that conscious might comes into play. And so let's say if, for whatever reason, you grew up in a home where they said Money doesn't grow on trees, and now you're successful, and you're in a position where you want abundance in your life and you welcome it, but you don't, because you've got this limiting belief telling you that money doesn't grow on trees, so you're not worthy and deserving of it. So how do we change that? I said that's the power of a hypnotherapy session versus a hypnotist doing it on stage.

Dr. Terry Weyman: 13:55

Wait a minute, you just said some a hypnotherapist versus a hypnotist?

Dr. Spencer Baron: 14:02

Yeah. Good one, good catch.

Dr. Terry Weyman: 14:04

And is our hypnotist, licensed Hypnotherapist?

Dayana Muzinek: 14:11

That's a great question. They should be. Yes, they should be. I can't speak for them, but I can tell you that as a licensed hypnotherapist and certify that we do, and it has to be accredited, right? We can't just go there's people that actually on the streets of Vegas now that you mentioned it that will stop you in the middle and say, Would you like to be hypnotized? And I can change your life, right? But if the person on the receiving end is like, Nah, I'm good, where I am, it's never going

Dr. Spencer Baron: 14:42

to work. And you know what to back up, what Diana is saying is the hypnotist, the person on stage, he is pre qualifying everybody. First he'll ask for volunteers, but then he'll actually do some. Some sort of activities to determine if you're going to play along right with whatever he asks you to do. So it's at, you know, it's like a mental list, yeah, it's become a big business and entertainment, yeah,

Dayana Muzinek: 15:15

and even, and some people do get off stage, right, because they'll know which ones are not willing to play. Yeah?

Dr. Spencer Baron: 15:21

Yeah, but what you're doing is, you know, clearly more therapeutic and has a foundation in, in, you know, brain and, you know, physiology. So with that said, What would you do with somebody that has chronic pain. We're talking, you know, we were addressing more belief systems that you're born with or you grow up with. But what about chronic pain patients? What would you do with somebody that comes in this, you know, allegedly tried all sorts of things. Yeah, so this

Dayana Muzinek: 16:01

is an interesting one, and I'll share a short story, and I'll get into the chronic pain, right? So imagine someone that has gone through everything, and they can't see why they have the pain or where it's coming from, but they're experiencing it, right? So it's a real pain. During the hypnotherapy session, when you go down to the pain and ask, what is it trying to tell you? Why is it there? And during that part conversation, she was able to tell me, well, because my family called me to ask me about the pain. And in her mind, if she didn't feel that pain, her family wasn't going to call her. The grandkids were coming to visit, and now she's holding on to this pain because that's her connection to the family and the grandkids coming to visit. Wow, right. So during the session, we released the pain, and now we reframe the thought of, oh my gosh, I cannot wait to see my grandkids grow up graduate high school, and even have their own babies or families if they choose to. So once you release that idea, you release the pain with it, and she following up with her, yeah, her family still calls her, and of course, her grandkids were still visited, and she no longer suffers from pain. So that's one example, and we don't know why. Sometimes our bodies hold on to pain, and it could be related to a trauma. It could be related to not the trauma experience itself, but how we dealt with it. Because sometimes it's not about the experience, it's how it's dealt with after

Dr. Spencer Baron: 17:36

all, right, that's chronic pain. What about? You know, we hear about the smoking, the cravings, you know, the smoking, the overeating, and, you know, I mean, where do you start with something that's been so deeply part of their system?

Dayana Muzinek: 17:56

Yeah, deeply part of their system. To me, that just says habit, right? So you started one cigarette, or you over ate one time, or you picked up the pizza because it was a bad day. And now the emotion is tied to the food. And so when there's a craving, or when there's something like that, then I'll ask them, Are you ready to give that up? Or perhaps, are you ready to gain that because as much as we can release something, we can pick up a new habit or replace the old one with something better. And so if they are ready to say, release, whether it's smoking or the overeating or the time, you know, I'm sad, I need the pizza, then we go down to the very first time and remember our memories are in our subconscious. So if I can relax them, put that conscious mind aside and go back to that very first time where you made that association, and pause it, and now we're going to reframe it. So now we're going to have, why did you start it? What are you feeling, and then you bring it all the way to the present moment and choose something that's different. It is a habit that's all it is. It doesn't define us. It's not about us. We've picked up a habit.

Dr. Spencer Baron: 19:15

You know, it's interesting. You bring that up because I realize that I don't know why I'm not obese or overweight or clinically, you know, overweight, because my my childhood was, you have to finish everything on your plate and or you can't get up. And I realized that, I mean, I had a friend of mine in my 30s, a friend of mine turns me goes, bro, you don't have to eat everything on your plate. And I go, Oh, no. It was one of those realizations that you're right, I don't have to eat everything. And I was so uncomfortable not eating everything on my plate. So it really goes way far back into you. I mean, you have. To dive, sometimes very deep into their do they tell you these how do you how do you pull this information out?

Dayana Muzinek: 20:09

Yeah, so that's one of my favorite parts about what I do, right? I got the clients to where they need to go, and so when we amplify and magnify the discomfort of something, it's still in a controlled environment, right? So let's say the feeling of overeating or eating everything on the plate, and that discomfort, and we amplify and magnify it was disgusting. How discomfort is it to feel all that, right? And then you're going to hold on to it, and we're going to go back to that very first time. So when was the very first time? Five, traveling back in time. Four, going even deeper. Three, trusting what comes and when you get down to one, where are you? And 99% of the time, the client tells you exactly where they are, what they're wearing and who they're with. It's

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Dr. Terry Weyman: 21:06

gotten the one and what comes out you're not ready for? Yeah, I have you gotta tell Come on.

Dayana Muzinek: 21:20

People are very vulnerable during that state, right? And that vulnerability makes the power the transformation even more powerful. So those, to me, are really powerful sessions. And so they will say something like, oh my gosh, and my grandmother just XYZ, or, oh my gosh, there's a cuckoo clock. And that's a cuckoo clock that's freaking me out, and it has nothing to do with anything, but, believe it or not, with this. But that cuckoo clock was telling him he's in his mid 50s and he doesn't have time, and you haven't done anything with your life. And we went back to that cuckoo clock in his like Aunt Esther's her grandmother's house, I forget. And that was the conversation that happened during that moment. And so now imagine he's in his 50s, struggling with this idea his entire time, that he has no time to be successful.

Dr. Spencer Baron: 22:18

Oh my gosh. You know, it's interesting. You bring that, that kind of stuff up there. You know, part of what we do as chiropractors, you know, if someone comes in with a neck pain, will adjust. And there have been, there's maybe one or two patients that have been been strangled in a domestic violence but they don't remember it. They suppressed it. So here I am a man putting his hand on a woman's neck to do manipulate. And they're you could they tighten up? They have, you know that would be something that I would refer a patient to you for to because that's too delicate a situation to deal with, you know. And I wonder if the neck pain years and years later is rooted in that experience, in that scary experience, yeah.

Dayana Muzinek: 23:20

And without knowing too much, I would say it is just because our body holds on to the pain, right? It really does.

Dr. Terry Weyman: 23:30

Yeah. I bet my grammar issues are rooted back to when I was five Spencer, yeah, my pronunciation, grammar, I'm gonna blame it on that,

Dr. Spencer Baron: 23:43

Diana, sometimes I have to read his text messages and emails three, four times better over the years. He hates periods, commas, exclamation point. He hates it all.

Dr. Terry Weyman: 24:00

Get this, get that shit out, you know, I just want it out there. Yeah, it's up to them to interpret.

Dayana Muzinek: 24:05

It doesn't bother you, then who cares?

Dr. Terry Weyman: 24:09

Right? Oh, the White gets so, so upset about it. Yeah, it's like he has to go to you to relax. He's got that Moroccan blood in them that just fires him up.

Dr. Spencer Baron: 24:22

Diana, I think you'll find something scary if you ask him to go deep into why he

Dr. Terry Weyman: 24:26

Oh, yeah, I'm not going there myself.

Dr. Spencer Baron: 24:33

Diana, let me ask you. You know, it's been fascinating that years ago when a patient would you diet down to lose weight or or even plastic surgery, you know, especially like rhinoplasty, there are things in on the face the the patient would have to undergo some sort of psychological testing or. By the plastic surgeon, because there's been many times where the plastic surgeon would do a beautiful job, but that person still sees a big nose or or still seems they still look in the mirror and they think they're overweight when they're not. So how is and bringing this current like the GOP one, you know, the ozembic and majoro and all that. How does mindset play in the identity to and how would you approach somebody with hypnotherapy needing to diet or that have lost weight, but they look in the mirror and they still see a fat person?

Dayana Muzinek: 25:38

Yeah, so this is one of the topics that really breaks my heart, and I might lose a couple of people here, but this is when it comes to worthy and deserving, right and loving yourself. And so no matter what house you're carrying your body in, it is still you. And so a smaller nose, bigger top, that is not going to change the essence of who you are. And so that worthy and deserving person, you're just being carried in that house now. And if you want to make it smaller, you can, but it doesn't change what's inside. And so that, to me, is being worthy and deserving. And I ask my clients to look at themselves in the mirror every single day and say, I love you, and I am so proud of you. And if you can't do that every day, then I challenge you to do it, because it is so important

Dr. Spencer Baron: 26:43

Oh, sorry, sorry. What about? And I've heard this from patients somewhere in the history that an overweight patient will come in, we'll talk about their low back pain or knee pain and so on. And some of the reason why, and this is where I guess, imagine hypnotherapy would help. But some of the reason why they are overweight is because maybe I hate to say that something very traumatic happened in their life, like rape or or a domestic violence of some sort when they were in, you know, and their protective mechanism is to be overweight and unattractive. How would you how do you deal with that that's so deeply

Dayana Muzinek: 27:29

ingrained it is, and that's what it comes from some and some of the people that go through that type of experience is the yo yo Dieter, right? Because they lose weight, but then when they feel a little attractive, or somebody makes a comment and notices their weight loss, then they have to creep it back up so that they're unattractive to the world. And so during this type of hypnotherapy is it's very powerful in the sense that now we're dealing with inner child work, right? Because we're now going to that experience which nobody wants to relive, and so we don't, we now observe it, so we take that physical step back, and you almost imagine the movie theater, right? And you can see what happened to you. It wasn't about you. It had nothing to do with you. It was the person that did it to you, and knowingly or unknowingly, he was doing something or she was doing something that is obviously wrong, but it's not because you did anything wrong. And so when we get into that little you, that little person that went through the experience, and we infuse them with love, then we bring in adult you of the present moment and tell that person exactly what they did wrong and how they made them feel. And during that hypnotic state, you relive it in a very safe environment, but now you're able to say it wasn't my fault. And once you infuse that little boy or girl, you know, that little you with that confidence and love, you empower them now to live their life knowing that they did nothing wrong and it's okay and it is safe to release the weight, and it is okay show up as you are, yeah, and those are hard ones. However, when I do them, I am so grateful that they're here because they don't have to live that way anymore, right? And so hypnotherapy is being in that free, balanced place. And how do we get there? Because imagine as adults were carrying all this stuff. When I work with kids, they're younger, right? So they haven't gone through a big part of their life yet, and so to infuse them with confidence when it comes to whether it's high school, sports, dating, getting into college, social pressure, social media. Uh, any of that stuff, and we give them tools. So now they're younger, they've got these amazing tools that they can take with them along the way.

Dr. Terry Weyman: 30:12

I'm asked one thing we see in a lot, in in social media is becoming a buzzword, but the stuff that I'm hearing you say is very similar. How would you put together the word manifesting and and self talk and hypnotherapy? Because they seem very similar. Can you elaborate? Because you know, manifesting is like every day you say, I am this I am that is that kind of what you're talking about just using different vocabulary.

Dayana Muzinek: 30:43

It's similar. I think hypnotherapy takes it a little bit deeper, and this is why, again, if we go back to the example of you grew up in a home where money doesn't grow on trees, or money is evil, or people that have money are evil, right? And now, then you're saying to yourself, I'm worthy and deserving of abundance. I am worthy and deserving of abundance. I see money coming my way. I see money coming my way. It's, you're hearing it, but it's, it's you can't, like make it until you fake it, type of thing, and it's lost in the subconscious. So it'll work for a little while. So the difference between hypnotherapy and manifestation is that, yes, visualize it, believe it. You're worthy and deserving. But let's also make sure that the subconscious and conscious has an alignment, and they're speaking the same language, so that transformation actually happens.

Dr. Terry Weyman: 31:36

Is there some tips that people listening could do on their own to make that switch.

Dayana Muzinek: 31:42

There are, yeah, doing self hypnosis, for example, right? Getting yourself in that hypnotic state is just allowing you can start by taking a couple of deep breaths, and on the exhale you release all that stuff. And this can take three to five minutes. Once you release all the stuff and you feel balanced, then you just close your eyes and visualize exactly what you need to feel at this very moment and really make it very real. And as you do, your body relaxes and it's listening. And the reason why is because it's not in flight, fight, freeze or response state, right? It's coming from this place of quiet, and so the subconscious is listening. So when you practice the manifestation, as long as you're also in that deep, kind of quiet meditative state, then it's great. But if you're driving around or you're dealing with something, you're like, I want money. I want abundance. I'm going to get this. Well, your brain is not really listening at that moment, interesting.

Dr. Spencer Baron: 32:45

I find that fascinating only because, you know, there's people out there saying, you know, you got to say that mantra every day. There was first, there was the secret, and then the Moses codes, and then, you know, how to manifest things. And yes, there are people that were not successful in their manifesting because they're missing components, like you said, you know, being being in a certain state of mind. Now, Dr, Terry and I have talked about this before. We've had guests on that talk about meditation being so meditate, are you referring to something different than I mean, you said, like to spend five minutes, you know, doing a little breath work, and then saying meditation to me is like you got to sit there for an hour, and, you know, in a yoga position, and, you know, full lotus or something. I it's hard for me to focus like that. What are you suggesting that someone does on a daily basis? That that would be that, I know you mentioned some of that, but like, what would be a habit for someone that they could do every day for a couple minutes?

Dayana Muzinek: 33:56

Yeah, and so hypnotherapy is meditation with a goal, right? So it's not necessarily in general, it's, if we go back to the desirability scale, it's got to be really focused. It's got to be really clear. And so if the goal is, I want to wake up every morning and do a five minute walk, right? So there's an intention. What is it? What action step are we working on? Once you have that, then it's again, taking those deep breaths. Say you can even repeat to yourself, I am safe, I'm calm. I choose to be here. Our brains and our bodies are listening to every word that we're saying, right? So if we're saying we're stressed and we're tired, we're going to be stressed and tired. So I'm safe, I'm calm. I choose to be here, and then you count yourself back. You can do five. I'm going deeper and deeper. Four, relaxing the mind and the body. Three, and allowing that wave of your. Relaxation two and one. And now when you close your eyes, you're visualizing exactly what you want to do. What is the outcome? Think of the person that wakes up in the morning every day and does the five minute walk, step into their body and do that in the mornings and at night. And so it's really meditation with a goal. It's not just sitting there going or whatever it is. I personally am not a meditator. I don't like it. I'm not sitting there for 30 minutes listening to the way I'm not but if there's an intention behind it, and I can actually see, feel and experience myself doing it, now my body is listening now my brain is on board, so we're all a team,

Dr. Terry Weyman: 35:46

you know, on that subject, as much as Spencer and I want to think that we're relaxed and chill, guys. We're not. We're type A, we're like all our brains are always go. We make fun of each other and and, and when we clash, we clash hard because we're type A, but we also get along because we respect that that type A. And we had a guest a while ago that talked about active meditation, and we both lit up because I relax, riding a bike, going for a run, he relaxes, running and lifting weights. How does the active person take what you just said, and really integrate it into your life. Because as much as we both want to be that person, I don't see us really being that person, because that's not how we are. So what is something that an active person that is has five tasks going at once, and that's how we find balance. How does that person find this time to do this stuff? Or how do they do it? Okay, so

Dayana Muzinek: 36:51

I think for something or for someone that is active like that, right? Remember, we're in a hypnotic state, in and out all day long. And so if you've got this energy, and say it's even just walking, if you're walking and you're listening to your favorite song that brings you joy, right? That puts a smile on your face. And so while you're taking that walk and listening to that song, now, what is that goal? What is it that you want to achieve? And so now you're walking, doing something that you enjoy, and doing that, sometimes watching a movie or reading a book. So if you're doing anything where you have to go back to that page over and over again, and you have no idea what you just read, that's because you're in a hypnotic state and your mind is drifting and floating, and then you're like, Ah, did I just read that? I need to read it again. So find an activity that brings you joy, that you're able to put the again. I call it a chatterbox. Make yourself sabotage that crosses mine.

Dr. Spencer Baron: 37:54

You know, music is so powerful that I am absolutely to this day, I am fascinated what it can do to one's physiology. You know, they use music, and like Dr Terry and I, were our specialties in sports, and we see teams and individuals, you know, they put their headphones on, or you'll hear it throughout a locker room. And how, you know, the energy and the chanting, and whether it's rap or rock or or whatever it might be, it puts you in a such an empowered state that you almost feel invincible. Is that the time that you would also be, you know, reciting certain things, positive things that you want to be or have or do, yeah,

Dayana Muzinek: 38:46

and that's visualization, right? And when you're in that state again, it comes back to being in a state of balance, rather than fight, flight, freeze response. So if you're in that state of balance, then you're able to visualize exactly what you need. So you mentioned athletes. I work with pro golfers, right? Golf is a mind game. So you can have all of your coaches, you can do all of the training. You can be out there swinging at all times, making those adjustments. But what happens when you get to that very first T and you miss, right? Or you're like, almost there and you miss? That's where that negative talk comes in. That's where that game gets interrupted. So what's the fastest way that we can use the word empowerment, that we can empower ourselves to come back and be set, to stay in flow, and that is the most important part, right? So even tennis players, and if you hear more about it, they're using a lot more hypnotherapy, because once they're. In the game and in that zone, and they miss, they get out of it. And if you notice some of those tennis players, you know they'll do really well. Miss one shot and they've lost two games in a row. Oh,

Dr. Spencer Baron: 40:13

sorry. Go ahead. Go ahead.

Dayana Muzinek: 40:16

Rather than going there, let's bring it back in control, right? Reframe it, and then go back to that state of flow.

Dr. Spencer Baron: 40:25

Terry, do you remember that tennis player that we had on the show that she was beating Serena and had a reality check and goes, How am I beating Serena Williams? That's not and she ended up self fulfilling prophecy. She lost. Yeah, interesting. Do you teach people how to like they can't like, let's say, somebody in the middle of a golf game, and they just, I've never played a day of golf in my life, but they missed, or they hit the grass, or something like that. It's called something, I don't even know, but it and they don't have time to sit down and do a, you know, five minute hypnotherapy that. Or do you have triggers or, like, well, Tony Robbins calls it anchoring. Do you have something that, like, like a pop loves dogs, where you ring the bell, they solve it. You know, some condition respond something. Do you teach? Yeah, absolutely.

Dayana Muzinek: 41:25

So it's anchoring, right? It's the same thing. And what happens is, during a session, if I'm working with a pro golfer, let's say, and we're visualizing the course, we are focusing on what is in our control and what's out of our control. And so if we go back to the golf course, wind, heat, you know, the challenging course itself, spectators, that's out of our control. So now let's focus what's in our control, right? So the swing our thought process, what we say to ourselves. And so in that moment when you miss during the session, I will have them visualize the entire course the 18 holes, and at that moment where they miss, I'm like, Stop. What are you feeling? Take it back to flow. Tap your whether it's the thumb and the pointers together, whether it's fiddling with a marker in your pocket, they choose it something that's easy, and sometimes it's as simple as close your eyes, take a deep breath, and on the exhale, exhale. It all out and leave it there. Reset. And while they're in that hypnotic state, that's not just mind is listening, right? And it's rewiring itself, and so repetition rewires reality.

Dr. Terry Weyman: 42:50

You know, I gotta ask something really quick, because something that Spencer said, and something you said, and I don't know the answer. So this is not, this is just off the top of my head. But yesterday, I was training. I'm getting ready for ski season. I was training. I was going climbing up a hill on my bike, and my heart rate was right around 170 and a song came on, and I was miserable. I just was like, I could feel the 170 I could feel every muscle hurting. I hated it. And also that song switched to a different song, and I remember thinking, I'm happy. This is awesome. And when I went back and I looked at my, my, my, my biometrics, my biometrics, didn't change. I was still 170 heart rate. I was still pushing the same watts. I was still doing thing. But I remember at the first part I was miserable, the second part was happy, and yet nothing changed. Is that what you're kind of talking about,

Dayana Muzinek: 43:47

yeah, it's staying in control, right? Staying in that flow. Now for you, that discomfort left the body when you heard the happy song, right, right? So that just come, but the body inside still stayed the same. So it stayed where it needed to be. But there was changes that happened so you felt happier, you weren't in pain.

Dr. Terry Weyman: 44:12

I didn't think about until something suspension said about music, and I went, Wait a minute, and I remember being looking at my biometrics and going, nothing changed except the song. Yet I went from happy. I went from miserable to happy. And it was kind of cool, and it just kind of taught this up.

Dayana Muzinek: 44:32

And it's also if you release the outcome, right? So for years, looking at the biometrics, and nothing for the golfer, it's releasing the scoreboard. So if you stay present and like exactly where you need to be, not worried about what just happened and not worried about what the end result is, then you live in the present moment. Just focus as to what's happening right now.

Dr. Terry Weyman: 44:54

And so I know one thing. I know one thing, I'm getting rid of the song that was that was feeling miserable, that's off my playlist. Now, what song got you fired up? You're gonna know the song because I every time I hear I just think of you and I laugh, and it's, it's a song that shouldn't make you laugh, but just because we had this crying like a bitch, I knew you were gonna know you guys, and every time I hear that song, I just, instead of being fired up, I asked you to laugh, because it's kind of our song together, and it just makes me smile and and soon as that side came on, I just started cracking up, and all sudden, I just flew up the hill. So yeah, there, there's some interesting it's amazing how strong the mind is. And on that topic, hypnosis gets a bad press about false memories, right? So what guardrails do you put during sessions to say evidence based and trauma sensitive, instead of going into the false memories?

Dayana Muzinek: 46:01

So again, the false memories are not we're getting into the subconscious mind, which is the real memories. It's the wholesomeness. And so like I said, by the time they get to me, they've done their research or hypnotherapist, and they use it as a last resort. Now it's time to educate them as to what it is rather than what it's not. And so those false memories, they don't exist if you didn't experience it, and they're not living with your subconscious mind, it's not happening. Is that where you were going with that question?

Dr. Terry Weyman: 46:36

Yeah. I mean, you do like when you're walking them down, talking through this. Do you put like parameters to stay like that, like that evidence base we're trying to do it, or do you just let go free free for all and to see where it goes?

Dayana Muzinek: 46:49

I typically go free fall, to see where it goes again, using the tools that I have to guide them to where they need to go. And the funny thing is, sometimes somebody will come to me and they would like to, let's say, lose weight, right? I'd like to lose weight because, and that because is I want to feel better, or I want to feel better on my clothes. And once we start the session, we end up going back to a childhood home where, you know, a cousin made fun of her him, and the session is no longer about the weight loss. Now, the session is about being bullied by a cousin, and sometimes it's related and sometimes it's not. But I never redirect the client, because they know exactly where they need to go. Their subconscious of guiding them, and all they do is get them to where they go.

Dr. Terry Weyman: 47:47

How do you convince somebody? And maybe convince is not the right word you we talked about earlier, about self love and all that, but when you get somebody that says I'm not worthy, or I was told I wasn't this, how do you can? How do we get people to realize that they are worthy?

Dayana Muzinek: 48:04

So, like I said, it's not voodoo, right? They have to believe it that, yeah, so they have to believe it themselves.

Unknown: 48:13

How do you do that? Yeah,

Dayana Muzinek: 48:16

okay, first, I tell them you are worthy and deserving. You are afterward and deserving of a beautiful life of living your life of desire, not one by default. And so whatever is getting in the way of you living your life of desire. What is it? I'm not worthy. I'm not good enough. That's where we start, the hypnotic induction, right? Let's go to that very first time where you didn't feel worthy, because my mom told me, because my aunt told me, because my colleague told me. And so we go back to that very first time, and there's a thing called forgiveness that we do, and we don't do forgiveness for the other person, we do forgiveness for ourselves, right? And so when you're visualizing that very first time that someone's like, you're not worthy, or you're ugly, or that is the worst painting I've ever seen, and you're holding on to that, right? Because you can be in school and the teacher's like, oh my gosh, that's the worst painting. It's awful. And now you're holding I'm awful. And so if we go back again to that very first time and say, put that plastic shield down. Anything that is set to your value has nothing to do with you. It is an insecurity of them. And now go in and give little you a hug and let them know that they're worthy and deserving of this beautiful life, and send them off with a little gift, whether it's a plastic shield a superhero tape. And the more in the imagination you can bring into it, and the more you can visualize it, then the more powerful the transformation is. And then you start infusing them with love, and you say to them, You are worthy. What do you want to do? And you allow them to become playful at that moment. And now we shrink the person that told us. They're not worthy. We send them off so they can still live their own journey, and they'll do their own work on their own time. But you've done yours.

Dr. Terry Weyman: 50:09

What happens if the self sabotage comes from themselves, meaning this generation, I had a kid tell me the other day, we're used to getting things immediate, you know, if we want to, instead of having conversations with people, they look it up on Google, they get the answer right away. And if they look at tick tockers, they're making millions in front of a jet. So they're, they're getting in this culture is they want to instantaneously, and when they don't get it, they go, Well, I just can't do it. And they start self Tabitha, self sabotaging themselves, and where the parents are going? No, you just gotta work hard, and it will come and they're like, but that's not my world. My world is instantaneous, and it's not happening to me instantaneously. So I must suck. How the how do you work with that kind of person?

Dayana Muzinek: 50:58

All right? So the truth is, you don't suck, right? That's my first comment back. The truth is, the person that is sitting there, you know, in front of that plane is all you're doing is that. So you go in front of a plane and you take a picture. So let's get down to the reality of it, because what you're seeing on social media is not real. They're only showing you what they want to show you. And you can do the same thing, right? So when that sneaky self sabotage comes into play, or something is real, so we separate what's real and not real, then it's just cancel, cancel. Then we call it the triple beats, right? So at that moment where I'm never going to get this, or why can I get this, or I'm not good enough to get this, or why them and not me, it's up, cancel, cancel, bring in a positive thought, reframe whatever you're thinking into something that you are. And it's simple as I'm good, where I am, I've got this, right? You shift the breath, you shift the body, the posture. And now that's the belief system with kids and teens and the social media, and what's going on is a lot harder because of the social media. It's the constant instant gratification, it's that constant comparison, and it goes back to I lose who I am. I don't pay attention to who I am. I'm paying attention to other people, and they're not even showing themselves because they're only showing what you they want you to see.

Dr. Terry Weyman: 52:24

So how do you you know this is a culture that consumes content constantly, and I'm always trying to flip it going, Well, what content are you creating? And they don't know that the answer they would rather consume than create. How do you take that first step to get them out of consumption and turn into production?

Dayana Muzinek: 52:46

It's a good question, and I can answer it from the point of a hypnotherapy perspective, right? So the minute you give your attention away to somebody else, and you're so focused on other people, you lose your power, right? So all of a sudden, yeah. So how do you reclaim your power by taking responsibility of your thoughts and actions? So why are you letting a stranger step into your world? Love that, yeah, and allowing them to dictate how you feel?

Dr. Spencer Baron: 53:20

You know, that's interesting. Because we've always, I mean, I personally have always applied that when talking is when somebody says something to you. Why are they? Why are you letting them rent space in your head? And it's usually a friend. But this is a very, very good shift. It's people are letting this thing control them and rent space, and I didn't even think of

Dayana Muzinek: 53:48

it that. And I get clients, as you guys must too, right? Don't you get the people that come here because they're constantly looking down at their phone and now all the back hurts and the neck and all that, they come to me with literally a cell phone addiction. They cannot put it down. It is an extension of their hands. And so that's debilitating, right at some point, that gets in the way of how you live a free, balanced life, that gets in the way of how others perceive you, that gets in the way of relationships, of everything, pretty much. And so now we have to create healthy boundaries, because again, you're letting a device, something that doesn't even breathe, dictate your schedule and dictate what you do with your time. How silly is that?

Dr. Terry Weyman: 54:38

And yeah, if we really think about in a funny way, we all have them sitting right next to us right next

Dayana Muzinek: 54:43

to us right now we do. Yeah, so I'm a runner, and when I go running, I don't take my phone. I don't want to hear I don't want to get interrupted. I still have the old school, you know, plug in my little device and that's it, and you could clear. They disconnect from the world. Why would I allow them to interrupt my time and my space, right?

Unknown: 55:07

Oh, my God,

Dayana Muzinek: 55:09

that's fascinating. And going back to that confidence, right, being able to say, I'm worthy and deserving of saying, No, I dictate how I spend my time. I get to choose exactly what I do.

Dr. Spencer Baron: 55:24

Hey, Diane, you know what I noticed is it we're having a conversation. I hear your voice, but when you went into that mode of 321, when earlier, your voice changed. And I actually got so real, I actually got relaxed, because it was a very soothing, relaxing, you know, it'd be cool, as if you made it, made a tape for someone, a five minute tape that, you know, that you could listen to everything, a tape, I mean a recording, something like that. You ever think of? Oh, yeah, do you do that? Would do that for anybody?

Dayana Muzinek: 56:07

Or I do recordings for my clients. So depending as to what sessions we're working on, oh yeah, 20 minute session. Part of it is repetition of the uncomfortable makes it comfortable. So let's get the same way that you brush your teeth. At some point somebody reminded you, right when you were very young, you were told, brush your teeth, you brush your teeth. And then from one day to the next, nobody's reminding you today to brush your teeth, are they? And it's the same thing. So we're creating these habits. And you know, the brushing the teeth part is the same thing. If you do something with one hand, try it with the other. If you brush your teeth with the right, do it with the left. If you uncover the tap, doing everything opposite. The first day is messy, the second day, the third day is a little comfortable, but the fifth day, you're brushing your teeth with the opposite hand. So what does that show us that we can release habits and we can create new ones. And so as we're doing that, then we can listen to that hypnotic recording. It goes deeper, it lasts longer, and the transformation happens that much faster. And so using that soothing voice, which my clients love, to that state, and they're feeling safe and relax.

Dr. Spencer Baron: 57:23

Diana, let me, let me, since you can still hear me, let me ask you. There are certain scenarios where people that I've noticed, even in myself, that would never allow certain things to happen. For example, I know there are some people that are so depressed they would never commit suicide, that's the but then there's those that would, or have have gone as far as holding a gun up to their head. I'm isn't that also, you know, like they would never lower. They have a certain standard, but then you have to bring them, you know, a level up from that, right? I mean, yeah, you follow where I'm going with this. You know, it's just like some people, they have certain, you know, levels of where they would, they would never be homeless or but they would, you know, have financial instability, you know, do you dive deep into that area where you know and identify, where They would never, never go to that level?

Dayana Muzinek: 58:41

Yeah, I remember they're coming to me, right? So I don't have to die. We don't diagnose I don't figure anything out. So when they come to me, is I have their scarcity mindset, or I have this irrational fear that Will I ever be homeless? And so if it's something like that, then we get into the phobia or the fear as to why we're there. When it comes to depression and separating the level of someone that is at a point where they are, you know, so hurting that it's not, it's not safe for them. Let's say they it's up to them to come and say, You know what, I choose to feel better. And there's only so much that we can do again. That's just the hypnotherapy that's not going to that mental health world where you have a psychologist and psychiatrist that diagnose and do their thing. We, for me, it's we pull it from the roots, right? So imagine if your brain is a garden, and you've got all these beautiful flowers, but you also have these deep, black roots, and we and so we. Are the ones that we need to pull out. We're not going to cut them because they're going to grow back. We need to pull them out. And now that it's out of us, what do we want to fill that space with? Right? Because sometimes in traditional talk therapy, we're talking about the problem over and over again. So what is that doing? It's allowing the information to go deeper and last longer. And we don't want that. We want to bring all those emotions to the surface so that we can release them. And during a hypnotherapy session, sometimes that's tears, right? So we'll start tearing during the session. And I'm like, all we're doing is releasing memories. Once you bring it to the awareness that you bring all of those emotions up, and you can now choose love, worth, confidence, empowerment, any of that stuff.

Dr. Spencer Baron: 1:00:51

Thank you. Thank you for that. You have great metaphors, by the way, you use some really the weeds. Pull the weeds. That's good. Thank you, Terry, were you about to say something before a question?

Dr. Terry Weyman: 1:01:02

I can't remember. What was it? I put it in my box. I can't find it.

Unknown: 1:01:16

Flew away.

Dr. Spencer Baron: 1:01:19

All right, Diana, we're at the part, part of the show where we do five rapid fire questions that require rapid answers, and they're usually quite fun and funny and however you want to make it however you want to answer. But I want to ask you if you're ready,

Dayana Muzinek: 1:01:39

I'm always ready.

Unknown: 1:01:42

Right, all right.

Dr. Spencer Baron: 1:01:43

Question number one, you've learned a fascinating Double Life payments and just payments industry Vice President, by by day grace method, hypnotherapist, what would be? Let's see, what's one business trick you secretly use in sessions and one hypnosis habit you now use running a company

Dayana Muzinek: 1:02:04

that's interesting. So one hypnotic tool that I use in business is I let them just talk and allow them to believe what they want to believe. Right? There's no more that engaging. It's good. The reason why that is because it's my balance space, right? So it's not so much for them, but for me. And then the business trick for hypnotic clients, I would say, just listen, right? Just truly listen and and I'm me, so I'm going to tell you how it is and be vulnerable with you.

Dr. Spencer Baron: 1:02:50

Oh, that's great. That's very good question number two, coffee or tea? Sunrise, beach walk or Late Night City Lights, salsa or yoga flow, which combo flips your state the fastest,

Dayana Muzinek: 1:03:03

definitely not yoga.

Dr. Spencer Baron: 1:03:09

And teach us that like 32nd version that listeners can try as well.

Dayana Muzinek: 1:03:13

Okay, so for me, it's watching the sunrise, watching that Daybreak fills my body with excitement and taking that long run, it just clears my mind. It balances me, and I show up as a better person to those around me. And so that is how I would do it. The 30 Seconds to calm yourself down. So honestly, just take this deep breath. Take a deep breath with intention, whatever you need at this very moment. Breathe it in love, confidence, work and on the exhale, exhale twice as long, releasing all of that stuff to do list. Let it go. Good as you think to yourself, I am safe, I am calm. I choose to be here. Bye, bye. 54321, I'm worthy and deserving of living a beautiful life. I'm worthy and deserving of living a beautiful life every day, in every way I wake up and I get to choose how I spend my day, every day. In every way I wake up and I get to choose how I spend my day I am worthy and deserving of living a beautiful life.

Dr. Spencer Baron: 1:04:40

That's the voice I was talking about. Yeah, wow, I'm gonna have to, we're gonna have to edit that part, and I'm gonna put it on my memory on my phone, so I could just play that one little piece right there.

Dayana Muzinek: 1:04:56

I do a recording for you to use anytime. Them.

Dr. Spencer Baron: 1:05:00

Oh, your voice is fantastic. All right, very good. I don't even want to ask the other three questions, but I am. All right, here we go. If you're if your subconscious were like a room that we could visit, what's on the walls, maybe a song, lyrics, an aroma, maybe a photograph, a family saying. And how do you turn one of those into a personal anchor for you before any big moment?

Dayana Muzinek: 1:05:28

Yeah. So welcome to my subconscious. I think you advise. Brett Michaels of poison. Everyone says it's thorn that is my happy song. If you want to think about one, everything is white and serene and peaceful, and there's a pair of really youth jogging running shoes, and they are just hanging there. Yeah, that would be my subconscious, actually. And then I would bring up the song whenever I needed to come back and recenter and be grateful right at the end of the day,

Dr. Spencer Baron: 1:06:02

what place that what place you have visited, maybe you wish you could teleport to frequently, and I imagine it'd be a Brett Michaels concert or something like but anyway, so ironically,

Dayana Muzinek: 1:06:16

it wouldn't. I do have my safe place, right? So during, even during the session, we take you to that safe place. And for me, it's my grandparents ranch. They've unfortunately passed, but it's outside of Mexico City, and it was that magical place where there were horses and animals and fruit trees and vegetables, and all our cousins got together. And so if I could go anywhere, I think it would be there just to feel that unconditional love and and being with with nature, right, which is so important,

Dr. Spencer Baron: 1:06:48

too, so cool. Last question, Diana, this has been great, and I love this. Think of a client story, no names, but something that still makes you maybe tear up. Or what you know, you know, tiny human detail that that day reminds you of when you were, when you were doing this, this, this type of work. Is there anything in particular, a single sentence or whisper that

Dayana Muzinek: 1:07:16

you remember? Yeah, so I will share this. I've had, I had a client that had a habit of running his tongue across his teeth, and it was to the point that it was just getting in the way of everything. He couldn't stop. Just at night we did a session, it went back to a time that he got into a bar fight with his cousin, and his cousin took out a molar. So believe it or not, going from that. And the reason why I remember that is because from that one session, right? And I never say how many sessions it's going to take, because I don't know, but it took him one session where he doesn't do that anymore. He forgives his cousin. And so to me, it's just a reminder of the powerful work that we do as hypnotherapists, that it could be one session to completely transform someone's life. And so when they come back to awareness, and they're like, You changed my mind, or they sent me applying two years later, and they're like, thank you so much. You changed my life, I can't like that to me, is just enough.

Dr. Spencer Baron: 1:08:19

How cool. And that ends the show perfectly. Diana using a that that was really, what a what a great series of conversations and answers to questions that we've all had. Thank you so much.

Dayana Muzinek: 1:08:34

Thank you so much for having me. It's been a pleasure. So nice to meet you.

Dr. Spencer Baron: 1:08:42

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