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Leakage, Libido, and Lies: Kim Vopni Exposes the Silent Epidemic No One Talks About.

• Dr. Terry Weyman and Dr. Spencer Baron

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“Why Are We Still Afraid to Talk About the Pelvic Floor?”

We glamorize six-packs, obsess over core strength, and chase the latest fitness hacks—but here’s the shocking truth: the foundation of your health, strength, and even your confidence isn’t your abs, it’s your pelvic floor. And yet, it’s still one of the most ignored, stigmatized, and misunderstood parts of the body.

On this episode of the Crackin’ Backs Podcast, we sit down with the bold and unapologetic Kim Vopni—aka The Vagina Coach—a woman who has built her career tearing down taboos and speaking the truth the fitness and medical industries often avoid.

In this provocative, unfiltered conversation, we dive into:

  • Why pelvic floor health is more important than six-pack abs.
  • The real cost of ignoring pelvic health—from back pain to sexual dysfunction.
  • Why the classic advice to “just do Kegels” is outdated and sometimes harmful.
  • The top pelvic floor problems men face in silence—and how they can start healing.
  • Whether leakage during workouts should be normalized—or treated as a red flag.
  • How constipation, bathroom posture, and daily habits silently sabotage your pelvic floor.
  • Which products are fads vs. game-changers in the crowded pelvic health market.
  • The intimate connection between pelvic strength, pleasure, and sexual health.
  • Kim’s vision for a world where pelvic floor training is as routine as brushing your teeth.

This episode is not just about women, not just about childbirth, and not just about aging—it’s about every body. Whether you’re lifting heavy, sitting at a desk, navigating menopause, or recovering from injury, your pelvic floor is central to how you move, feel, and live.

If you’ve ever felt like this conversation was too taboo, Kim Vopni is here to blow the doors wide open. Prepare to rethink everything you thought you knew about your body.

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Dr. Spencer Baron:

Welcome to the show. We often talk about core strength six packs. You know you want to have a six pack fitness hacks, but here's the truth, the real foundation of your health movement and even your confidence, is something most people never mention. The pelvic floor. Today, we're hearing the tear down the stigma of from the I love this term vagina coach herself. Kim bumpney, who's been shaking up the internet by saying that what everyone else is way too shy to talk about, welcome to the show, Kim.

Kim Vopni:

Thank you. I appreciate you having me.

Dr. Spencer Baron:

So Kim, let's, let's just kick it off here. In your opinion, why is it that we normalize knee braces, dental care, gym memberships, but still treat talking about pelvic floor like it's some taboo

Unknown:

thing we have to whisper, right?

Dr. Spencer Baron:

You know, what's the real cost of ignoring it? And let's talk about what goes beyond the vagina.

Kim Vopni:

Yeah. Well, many things go beyond the vagina, I guess, but, but we have this, you know, it's a, it's a body part that, historically we have. We've never really identified with proper anatomical terms. We usually have used hush hush or it's something we don't talk about. It's pushed aside. We're dismissed. Sometimes it's not brought up in health care appointments. We have media telling us that this is just part of being a woman, so we just sort of accept a lot of things, I think. And then we also have the role that social media has played in increasing awareness about this topic, however, has also myself and many others who use proper anatomical terminology, have our posts taken down, have our accounts suspended because we're using inappropriate terms or inappropriate information, and so there's a lot of different things that are contributing to keeping this message in the dark. Thankfully, in the last few years that I haven't had my account suspended in quite a quite a while, but it still happens to a lot of people. I don't know if I just passed a certain test. I don't know what happened but, but it's changing just very, very slowly. But I think a lot of that just historically, it has been a part of the body we just simply don't talk about, and generations in the past have suffered as a result. And part of what I part of me using the term vagina coach, was to to say that word, the uncomfortable word that nobody wants to say, so that we can start to open up this conversation and give people power to name it and to talk about it, and also hopefully have that trickle over into the healthcare system where it's, I think it should also be kind of like a vital sign, if we're asking about constipation, and do you leak when you laugh? And do you have any painful sex? You know, those are, those are health measures that we should be talking about.

Dr. Spencer Baron:

Yeah, I think it's, it's fascinating, because what, alongside of that, that taboo conversation, was menopause. You know, now we're becoming more aware that there's been virtually zero research on what a woman can do for herself after 40 or 50 and when their hormones are out of balance. But this is a key topic too, because, you know, it's not just, you know, a sex thing, it's, it's a body function thing that is much more important than most people think. So it's been fascinating. So let me ask you, you know, you know? Well, first I want to mention that I think it is fascinating. Are you the originator of what they you refer to as the buff muff? Yeah, that's me. That is absolutely brilliant. It's brilliant marketing. I've been talking about you to patients. I go. Wait. Do you hear this podcast? Come on. All I have to say is buff muffin, they go tell me the men ask the women. I think it's fantastic. Right before I ask you about the age old reference to Kegels, could you just point to that sign behind you and highlight for our viewers,

Kim Vopni:

keep calm and Kegel on. Yeah, that's the term that most people if they heard anything about the pelvic floor, it's usually Kegel exercises.

Dr. Spencer Baron:

Why is that? Why could that be a problem that people only compartmentalize that, yeah,

Kim Vopni:

it well, it's, it's like, it would be like saying, you know, there's the leg extension is the only way that you can strengthen your legs. Like, there's a lot of different ways that we can improve function of our legs and the joints that our legs are associated with, right? It's not just. One specific, isolated isometric contraction where we're not even moving. So a Kegel exercise, I want to I would like to honor Dr Kegel, who paid attention to his female patients that were suffering, and he was using biofeedback to help them connect with a group of muscles that we can't see so different from me going to the mirror and doing, you know, flexing my bicep, or I can see the other muscle groups that I'm training. Generally, the pelvic floor is inside. We can't see that group of muscles. And because of all of the other different layers we were talking about, of taboo, we don't talk about it. It's private. It's hush hush. It's code names. Maybe there has been trauma associated. There's a lot of reasons why there may be disconnect. And so we, first of all, benefit from education to understand that we even have a group of muscles there, that it isn't one, that it even is muscle, skeletal muscle, but it's also multiple different layers of muscles that they have huge you mentioned the core, really important jobs, with the foundation of the core being one of them. Core control and stability at the pelvic floor is very intimately involved with so we benefit from that information. But what we historically have received is zero information, and we somewhere, maybe along the lines, usually it's showing up when somebody becomes pregnant, somebody, whether it's an aunt or a sister or maybe a healthcare provider, will make sure you do your Kegel exercises. And it's this elusive exercise that we might have heard or somebody maybe gave us a brochure or pamphlet or maybe told us to do, but the majority of people have never been evaluated to say you're doing them correctly or incorrectly. And we know from research, Kegels work when they're done correctly when they're done consistently. We also know from research, most people do them incorrectly because they've never been taught. And sort of where I want to expand and my buff muff approach is that Kegels are usually done you know, they say do it at every red light or do when you're brushing your teeth, and that doesn't train the pelvic floor very robustly. Doesn't train it for really a lot of movement. We're not training it dynamically. So we need to incorporate multiple different movements, various planes of movement, supine, standing, seated, sideline, with instability, like all the same training principles we would apply to all the other muscle groups in the body, I believe we would benefit from doing with the pelvic floor as well. So just thinking of, I think I'm doing Kegels correctly is not enough, and most and they're boring, to sit at every red light also is not. You know, if you sit at a red light, what's the red light for maybe 10 to 30 seconds, so you might get a few Kegels in there. But the load also is not going to be enough to really that for the pelvic floor to have any need to adapt, we need to get to reach a point of fatigue. We need to, again, have multiple different ways that we're training it. And that's not happening standing brushing your teeth or sitting at a red light.

Dr. Spencer Baron:

You know, that's like saying, I want to build my bicep, so I'll just lift a dumbbell whenever I have an opportunity to do that. Or, you know, right?

Kim Vopni:

Yeah, yeah. Like, say 20 times in a day, you might curl your arm and hold it there for a second and put it back down, and then five minutes later you do it again. It's not to say you're not going to get zero benefit, but probably not the benefit you're intending. What

Dr. Spencer Baron:

is, what would a exercise session focused on the, you know, that area, you know, that pelvic floor, those pelvic floor, what would that look like? Or, what would that, you know? How long would it take

Kim Vopni:

what's a buff muff workout? Well, yeah, actually, it's really, when you think of any form of exercise, if, especially somebody has been a non exerciser, we don't just throw them in the gym and put them through a really rigorous workout. There's going to be some fundamental, some foundation building progressive overload that we want to go through. And the same principles apply with the pelvic floor. First, we have to understand that there is a group of muscles there. We have to under like can we voluntarily contract and relax that group of muscles? And also appreciate the relationship of the pelvic floor with our breath, with the breathing diaphragm in an ideal functioning core when we take a breath in, the diaphragm is, you know, coming out of its dome shape. It's flattening, drawing air in. What should happen below is the abdominals should expand and the pelvic floor should also expand. Eccentrically lengthen when we exhale, the pelvic floor concentrically, concentrically contracts and lifts. The abdominals naturally draw in, diaphragm goes back up to its dome shape. So this, I always kind of refer to jellyfish. That's a terminology and visualization I use a lot. So the the inhales are expanding, allowing air to come in, the exhales are getting the stale air out. There's where there are contractions coming in. And when we bring the breath into it, it adds an additional understanding, again, of our own anatomy and our bodies and function. So when we establish that first, then we can move into now, the progressive overload we bring. So I use a term called core breath. That's my term for a kegel, because I wanted people to understand the pelvic floor is part of the core. I also want to unders. Wanted them to understand that the pelvic floor works in synergy with the diaphragm. So we inhale, we expand the rib cage, expand the belly, expand the pelvic floor, we exhale, and now we add the voluntary activation, which is people think that's the only part of a kegel is just the contract and lift. We add that voluntary activation on the exhalation, and then we go through breath cycles to pattern that, inhale to release, exhale to engage. Inhale to expand or release, and exhale to engage. Once they've patterned that, now we want to say, Okay, let's start to layer that into a pelvic tilt or a bridge to start out with. Usually I'm starting in a supine position. That's when most people will feel they'll feel more within their pelvic floor, I would say, once we get upright against gravity. So in a seated position or in a standing position, say, with a squat or a lunge. There's a lot of other things that are happening. The pelvic floor is working to stabilize us. We may not feel so much of that voluntary activation and relaxation as we would in a supine position. So I start there, usually with most people. Then we go into more upright, in a tall kneel or a seated then we get up into standing. Then we do a little bit more about, say, a forward or a rear lunge, as opposed to just a stationary lunge, but you can bring the core breath into a bicep curl, a push up a One Arm Row, like we can bring it into many different movements, not saying we have to, but We can, and especially from a retraining perspective, really that the buff muff method is taking people who are most of the people are dealing with an issue, and we are retraining the pelvic floor to react at the right time with the right amount of force for that task at hand, whatever exercise it is that We're doing, so that we better manage pressure, so that we have the capacity for the pelvic floor to manage the movement and the dynamics of whatever it is that we're doing, then we can start to add load in the way of we add resistance, we add more sets, we add more reps, we maybe add power, So explosive movement with jumps, because most people are leaking or are symptomatic in their pelvic floor, not when they're standing brushing their teeth, not when they're lying down on their back. It's usually when they are lifting a child, pushing a heavy door open, standing up from a chair. So we need to make sure that we are training the pelvic floor as we would with any other thing. We train with the principle of specificity, rather than just three sets of 10 cents, like 10 second holds, which is, if you look in the literature, that's the gold standard of Kegel exercises,

Dr. Spencer Baron:

what for the listeners and viewers, what is, what are symptoms of a fluff muff made that up a week one, you know what? What are I remember actually like 3035, years ago, patient came to me was a long distance runner, and she would have leakage in the fifth mile of a marathon, and would have to find a bathroom somewhere, or it would just go down her leg. So that's just an obvious one, and I had no idea what what was wrong back then. What are other symptoms and for men as well? Yeah,

Kim Vopni:

that's a great point to bring up. Men do also have a pelvic floor, and now male female anatomy, the male bony scaffolding of a pelvis, is different, narrower, little bit higher. There's no vagina, so no vaginal opening, there's no uterus, there's no menstrual cycle, the like the hormonal fluctuations, no pregnancy, no childbirth. Those are and menopause, as you mentioned earlier, those are things that definitely increase the likelihood of pelvic floor dysfunction, but, but men are certainly not immune to pelvic pain, incontinence, constipation, can be tied to the pelvic floor as well. So from a female perspective, which is the population that I work with, primarily, the term weak is also something that we need to clarify a little, because we interpret weak, as you said fluff or lacks. And that can be that can be true. It can also be true that somebody has excess tension that is contributing to weakness. So a tight pelvic floor is also a weak pelvic floor. And if that tight pelvic floor followed the guidance of you need. To do more Kegels, and their interpretation of Kegels is Squeeze and hold for 10 seconds and do that multiple times a day, not knowing they need to also release. And probably would benefit from more release, then they could be adding more tension and potentially even having worse symptoms. So pelvic floor dysfunction can be laxity. It can be excess tension, so poor blood flow, poor circulation, poor reaction time, pain and lack of like it we can't the muscles can't do their jobs when they are held in a chronically shortened position. Incontinence, we can have stress urinary incontinence, so that can be laughing, coughing, sneezing, jumping, some sort of exertion where the pressure that's created intra abdominal pressure is more than what the pelvic floor can manage. Either it can't react quickly enough, or it doesn't generate enough force to close off the opening so a little bit of urine or gas or stool can leak out urge incontinence or urgency. Urgency is where the person may not leak, but they all of a sudden, a trigger will happen. They hear running water. They just think about a bathroom. They put a key in the front door when they're coming home, and all of a sudden their bladder gets all excited and they feel like they can't make it, and sometimes they don't make it to the bathroom in time. So that's urgency. If they do actually have a release of urine that or gas or stool, that would be urgent continence, then we have overactive bladder, which there is a medical condition called overactive bladder, and there would need to be some extensive testing that somebody goes through to determine is it truly an overactive bladder, or has this person just labeled themselves as having an overactive bladder because they go to the bathroom in time, and often it's the people who are afraid of leaking or afraid of having the urges, who go to the bathroom preemptively. They go just in case. So now, then they've created this, they're training the bladder to signal before it's actually empty. So now they're dealing with over activity or frequency, the people who say, Well, I have to, you know, plan my whole day around is there going to be a bathroom close by? And then we have, as I mentioned, anal incontinence can happen as well, so gas or stool can leak out. So that's kind of the, I would say, the incontinence bucket. And then we have a prolapse bucket. Prolapse being when the bladder, the uterus, the rectum, the intestines, in some case, can move out of their proper anatomical position and bulge into or descend into the vagina. And if you look statistically, prolapse is more common than incontinence. Yet we we know about incontinence. Not very many people have ever heard about pelvic organ prolapse until they receive a diagnosis. So 50% of women who have given birth have some degree of prolapse. And it's important to note that people who have never been pregnant or given birth can also experience prolapse. So it's not just people who've given birth. However, it's a well established risk factor pregnancy and childbirth, and that is the one prolapse is the one that I find is the hardest for people to deal with. That's the one that really halts people in their tracks, partly because the symptoms are bothersome for if you have symptoms, sometimes you don't early stage, but also the messaging that is given to people who receive that diagnosis, especially if the diagnosis comes from the medical community. I don't want to bash the medical community. We need them. But first line of defense, they're not necessarily our in our best interest, so usually they're told not to lift anything over 10 pounds. You can't run anymore, you can't jump anymore. And that's that's mental health for a lot of people, that's our overall health and wellness. Is exercise, especially now that menopause population, where everybody in there who's talking about menopause now is saying lift heavy shit and and jump. You know, we have to pay attention to our bones. So now we have this population of people with prolapse saying, Well, I was told that I can't do that. So what do I do? So we have the prolapse group, and then we also would have a pelvic pain group, and that could be low back pain, pubic joint pain, tailbone pain, painful intercourse, vulvodynia, so pain in around the vulva, vestibulodynia, pain right at sort of the entrance or the vestibule. So those are kind of, I would say, the three main buckets from a pelvic floor dysfunction perspective.

Dr. Spencer Baron:

Well, Terry, before you ask, I would just want to have the audience really understand or get a feel for what Kim's talking about when you how do you know if you're flexing the pelvic floor?

Kim Vopni:

A lot of people have no idea, and they might think that they're doing it correctly, because they say, well, like people. People will read, it's the muscles that you use to stop the flow of urine, right? So people will then sit on the toilet and they'll try, and they're some of them may do it correctly. Sidebar, do not practice your pelvic floor exercise on the toilet. You can use that as a test every now and then to see, can I stop the flow of urine. But you should not be practicing your pelvic floor muscle training sitting on a toilet that will disrupt the messaging and potentially contribute to incomplete emptying and infection. So Don't. Don't do that. But the the other way that people will think they're doing a kegel or a voluntary activation is squeezing the inner thighs, squeezing the glutes and sometimes even holding their breath and bearing down. So seeing somebody who can help you evaluate if you are doing it correctly, my gold standard would be a pelvic floor physical therapist. But you can also use your own biofeedback, which is your fingers, and you could insert one or two fingers into your vagina. First of all, the information about, can you accommodate that without pain, and because there are people who that would not even be accessible, but can you insert one, potentially two fingers? And then, if you were to use some visualization, so cues that I use for people, imagine sipping a smoothie through a straw with your vagina, or imagine picking up a blueberry with your vagina and your anus. So if you think about that, if you can inhale and then as you exhale, can you think about picking up a blueberry with your vagina and your anus? What you should feel is there is as you're picking the blueberry up, there's a gentle hug of your fingers and potentially even a little bit of a draw up. The pelvic floor has a role of organ support as well as closing openings. People think of Kegels again, as just squeezing. We don't think of the lift. So we do want to have an element of that hug around the fingers, but also almost feel like we can draw the fingers upwards. That would be the lift that would be important as well.

Dr. Spencer Baron:

So that's the vaginal walls really,

Kim Vopni:

the the effect of the pelvic floor on, yeah, the walls of vagina, yeah,

Dr. Terry Weyman:

I do got, I do got inject. You know, before we get down too much time we've been talking buff muffs and fingers and vaginas and all that. There's guys out there that I don't want them to tune out. And you've been very bold about talking about and we mentioned it just briefly, about it's a narrow wall and all that. I've had a lot of men recently with prostate cancer that have had prostate ectomies, and they can't control the urine, and they've got leakage, and I'm and I'm and I started referring them to a pelvic floor specialist when they're when their urologist wouldn't do it. They they just said, Here, take medication. So for the men listening, I want to get them engaged. Can we just spend a few minutes of of talking about and getting men, because I want men to tune out going, well, I don't have a giant I don't have a buff muff. So this show is not for me. There's a lot of men. One out of five to one out of four men will get prostate cancer, and there's a lot of pelvic problems when it comes to that. Can you just elaborate on for the men and how many? What are some of the top three things that there are, they may be feeling that they will never associate with the pelvic floor that they they need to stop and pay attention to Terry.

Dr. Spencer Baron:

Terry, wait a minute. The men are going to still listen because they want a woman with a

Dr. Terry Weyman:

buff muff. Well, I know, but you know what I'm talking

Kim Vopni:

about. That's true. Like they, they, they for the men listening. They will, many of them will have women in their lives, and potentially so things like if, if the person that you typically are having sexual relations with is, is they don't want to anymore, or they're telling you that it hurts or they have trouble achieving orgasm, those could be some reason. So still be paying attention to the conversation around the female from a male perspective, you're right, the prostate issues would be a major contributor. So a lot of times, they don't even think about pelvic floor again, same as women, until there's an issue. And the biggest contributor for men would be prostate issues. Doesn't mean that other things can't come a long way. It doesn't have to just be prostate related, but painful ejaculation, inability to ejaculate, premature ejaculation, could be contributing factors, constipation, low back pain, or any pain within within the joints, within the pelvis, can all be tied into the pelvic floor. And then, of course, the prostate side of things as well. So radiation, if somebody is having radiation, as opposed to removal, greatly influences. But also hip hip replacements are another thing that is very close. Tied to the pelvic floor and the type of hip replacement so anterior, lateral, posterior, in terms of the type of hip replacement surgery you have, anterior is not performed as often would be. What would be it is the more favorable one in terms of preserving the pelvic floor. The posterior approach will cut through and especially one particular muscle that is, some people don't necessarily consider it a pelvic floor muscle called the obturator internus, which is more of a hip complex, or hip muscle, muscle, but is right in there with the pelvic floor and will become, is very greatly negatively, I would say, influenced by a hip replacement surgery. But even leading up to needing a hip replacement surgery, the compensations of movement, the pain that you're dealing with, all can influence the pelvic floor as well.

Dr. Terry Weyman:

I don't think I've ever heard of people talking about hip replacement and then pay attention to the pelvic floor. So thank you for that that was and, you know, and especially for staying even on the guys stuff. I love chiropractors. PTS, even, MDS, when somebody comes up with constipation, I bet very few have been recommending pelvic floor exercises. So, you know, it's something that that we have to definitely pay attention to. The other thing you mentioned, you keep mentioning leakage, but you have these CrossFit Games. You have these straw man Spartan stuff and and leakage when they're really pushing hard. Oh, that's just part of training. That's just part of the game. And that may be actually a red flag. Can you elaborate of some stuff that these people need to pay attention to if they're linking to this not considered normal when you lift something really heavy, and how would you counsel that patient that would walk in to see you?

Kim Vopni:

There was a video, it's probably maybe even almost 10 years ago now, when CrossFit was sort of really emerging and becoming very popular. And there was a video that was filmed at one of the games, and it was this, this gentleman going around and basically highlighting women who were wiping up pee on the floor and laughing about it. And the general consensus in this little clip was that that's just what it takes to be the fittest woman in the world, or the strongest woman in the world, and they were, they were just sort of accepting it, and all of us in the pelvic floor space were thinking, that's not the message that we we need to be sending. And if you, if you're leaking urine, that is a bodily we should be able to maintain and we should be able to be continent. If you are doing an activity where you are leaking urine that that is a signal your body is sending you, saying this something about this is more than I can currently manage. That doesn't mean CrossFit is bad. It doesn't mean that particular exercise is bad or good for the pelvic floor, but that person's current capacity to manage that load in that moment is such that the pelvic floor is failing. So we need to pay attention to that. Otherwise, if we continue to do it, that that we're not helping the situation. So somebody who is a crossfitter or leaking when they run or doesn't matter what the activity is, my counsel is we need to not again, not label this as a bad or good exercise for the pelvic floor, but we need to take that message and say, All right, let's take a step back. Something in this system is not connected right now. The load might be too strong, and maybe it's the speed at which you're doing it. Maybe it's the time of day you're doing it. Maybe it's the time within your menstrual cycle you're doing it. Maybe it's the weight, like there's so many different variables. So let's take a step back and reconnect, retrain that system, progressively load like we would anything else, so that you can manage that and then and also look within the moment. What is your current breath strategy? What is the load? How many reps are you doing? Paying attention to menstrual cycle. Have you pooped that day? What you know, all the different things we would look at for any other training modality might not. Many people would look at constipation. Have you pooped? But if you haven't pooped, you're you're there's more pressure on the bladder. There's less space in there, you're not going to feel as good, you're going to feel cranky, pated, and often that is going to contribute to more symptoms. So we need to get all of that dialed in so that we can exercise and do all the things that we want to do without, without the leaking. But the leaking is a message. It's not something that should just be ignored or considered normal.

Dr. Terry Weyman:

What do you hear about when, when, like, when women have a party for their kids, and they have the bounty house, or they have the the trampoline and the and you see the moms jumping, and all sudden they started giggling, and they grab their crotch because they start leaking when they balance that trampoline. Is that a sign? Sign of that. Obviously, that's a sign that their pelvic floor is weak, and that's something they need to pay. But most women just laugh, going, Oh, I have kids, and, yeah, I just can't bounce in a trampoline. They should be able to balance in a trampoline,

Kim Vopni:

shouldn't they? Most people, yes, that there are going to be certain situations. There are some specific vaginal birth injuries where that person may have kind of lifelong struggles. So there's something called a levator revulsion, where part of the pelvic floor can pull away from from the bony attachments. And historically, this has been a non repairable injury. There are a few surgeons now who are starting to to introduce some new techniques that potentially this will become something we could help. But historically, it's been, it's, it's a debilitating, very, very challenging injury to to navigate. And 18 to 30% of vaginal births have some form of Vols. And again, why aren't we screening for this? Right? So, so yes, generally, we should be able to do all the things that we want to do however, kind of coming back to where we started, where we just we've never been given any information about this at all, and usually it's not until there is a problem that we go and seek help. And historically, we look at a period of about six and a half to seven years before women actually go get help because they think it's normal, because they're embarrassed, because they don't want to embarrass their care provider, because they're too busy, because, you know, all the things we could add up on the list, and they then go, usually, to their primary care doctor. And within the at least North American medical system, we have very short periods of time, that doctor's job is to rule out any, you know, really major life threatening, or they would refer it on to a specialist, or they might say, do your Kegels? Or they might say, try this overactive bladder medication if somebody was leaking. And there's really that that is not a root cause investigation. There are so many things that we need to really be looking at not saying that sometimes the person needs surgery, not saying that sometimes, sometimes somebody might benefit from a medication. But that should never be our first line of defense and and we so back to the trampoline person. We women have just accepted it, right? Well, I've just had kids. That's what happens. It's happened to my mom. It isn't, oh, it isn't Oh, or I've had a bladder lift, oh, but it failed. And, you know, surgery is offered very quickly to people, and usually people take it because they say, Yeah, I just want this done. But nobody is counseling them on now, what I say after surgery, you need pelvic floor muscle training even more, because now you have scar tissue. The landscape has changed, and if you want to make maintain that surgery, you need to work. But we've just haven't been counseled or given any information about the need to do pelvic floor muscle training. I always equate it to the dentist. Like from a very young age, the PR from the dentist was great, like they gave us these pink pills. You chew them, you see highlights all the plaque, and we're like, Oh my gosh. And so they say you have to brush every day twice, and you have to floss. And you come and see us once or twice a year. And really, and I've been doing that my whole life, and I go to the dentist, even if I don't have a toothache, or any, any, you know, any issues. I go if we had that same PR for the pelvic floor early in life, where we were explained the importance how important for continence, for sexual function, for core stability, our posture, our balance, organ support. If we were explained that early on and then told we have pelvic floor physical therapist. These are the exercises that you would benefit from doing. Here's some signs that things are are not, not great, so you should go seek some help right away. Here's who you go see like that would change that would change the trajectory of women's health significantly.

Dr. Terry Weyman:

Well, I think I changed the health of men and women. Yeah, we're focused on that women. But I think both because you see these commercials where people are running to the bathroom, and the commercial is all about, do you have to plan, like you said earlier, your vacation, around your bathrooms? And if people only thought about, Wow, if I actually trained my pelvic floor as much as I trained the rest of me. The other question I have, do you ever see that constipation causes weakness of the pelvic floor, or does pelvic floor weakness causes constipation

Kim Vopni:

both so and it's usually the tightness so the inability of the pelvic floor muscles to relax appropriately, to eliminate, whether it's urine or stool, but In this case, constipation, from a feces perspective, when we sit down to void, the pelvic floor is ideally relaxing, so that either the bladder or the rectum is contracting to move waste out. And if we are sitting down without that muscle group, the pelvic floor relaxing, then. The efficacy of that elimination will be hindered, whether it won't come out at all, or it won't come out completely, or there's straining, and that constant straining is also contributing to excess pressure on the pelvic floor and the nerves as well. So it can be people can have tightness in the pelvic floor, which, again, tight is weak, and that is what's contributing to constipation. But we can also have people that are constipated for another reason, that then end up creating pelvic floor dysfunction as a result. And with constipation, usually it's like, drink more water, eat more fiber, try this supplement. Again, all of those can be helpful if it is kind of a gut health or motility or fiber hydration problem, but we, if none of the other things are working, we have to look at the pelvic floor as well.

Dr. Spencer Baron:

Kim, you've used the term pouphoria in some of your literature, and I found it very funny, because I actually, not only do I rarely, ever, I don't think I've ever heard that. Could you? Would you love to explain what pouphoria is? Pouphoria?

Kim Vopni:

Yeah, so, so euphoria, pouforia. It when, when we have a bowel movement, it should feel almost orgasmic, like it should feel really great, like a sense of relief. And it should, you know, it we should sit down, and within a few seconds, it's one and done. It's out two and done, I guess number two. But we should, we should have this sense of of euphoria after we have a bowel movement, ideally. And so I just did a play on words, like I like to do, and and. And we should, we should all experience euphoria, or people call it a pougasm sometimes too. But we, we just like, again, it should be, it's great. It should be vital signs these, so many people are constipated, so many people are constipated and and they are throwing fiber supplements in there, which, again, might help, but if they're not drinking enough water, which usually women with pelvic floor dysfunction are not drinking enough water, because they think, Well, if I don't have I'm not drinking, then I won't have the urge, or then I won't leak. That's not true, but that's their thinking. So then they start taking more and more fiber, and they just create this block of cement, and now they have to strain more. And when you not pooping, well, you will have more urgency, you will have more frequency, and you're going to be straining, which is going to be damaging to your pelvic floor as well. So anytime I'm working with somebody, hydration and constipation are always the first two things that we address, because so often they aren't pooping well and they aren't well hydrated, because they're trying to cope with these symptoms of prolapse and incontinence. And again, no one's ever provided education about why you need to drink water and why drinking more will actually help your symptoms. You know, if we're if we're dehydrated, our urine becomes more concentrated, so that the urine will irritate the bladder and want to get out more frequently, more urgently, and also, again, that the constipation with the full rectum is going to apply pressure against the bladder and make you feel like you need to go more often as well.

Dr. Terry Weyman:

Hey, Spencer, I can't wait to someday meet her husband, because her your your vocabulary is hilarious, and how you talk about things, the dinner conversations must be fantastic.

Kim Vopni:

Yes, not my husband's. My husband's totally fine with it all. Not everybody in my family appreciates our dinner conversation, but my kids, I will say, my kids, who are now. They're adults now, but when they were younger and first starting on social media. Of course, I was following them and and they were like, Mom, why can't you just have a ghost account, and why do you have to don't like anything and don't comment on anything? And so they were quite embarrassed. And remember, one of them said, you know, why? Why can't you be a boob coach? And he somehow thought that would be less embarrassing. But anyway, they're fine with it. Now, they're very well educated, and

Dr. Terry Weyman:

I can imagine they're friends. Hey, who's the buff muff that keeps following you while you had the vagina coach following you? If you're a boy,

Dr. Spencer Baron:

I you know it's funny, you you have a great imagination and creativity. But with that, I also have these visual perspectives of a vagina with, you know, flexing and, you know, you having a whistle, and you just down at the vagina level going, come on, squeeze one more time.

Kim Vopni:

If you go back about two months or so, I bought a video. That exact video is on myself. It's, you know, I it's a topic that is not easy to discuss. And yes, I'm, obviously, I'm the vagina coach. I'm very much trying to promote proper anatomical terminology and that it's not taboo. However, we need to have some fun to lighten the logos. A heavy subject as well, and so I like to bring a little bit of humor in there, because, because we have to laugh a little without leaking.

Dr. Terry Weyman:

No exactly. I always say we have two orifices, and that's the only way. That's what God made so we can look things up, or three orifices, and it's not what. Why do we make it such a big deal? But you make, you take it to the next level of of comfort and fun and all that, to get people that that take an embarrassing situation and realize you're just normal is, but we can fix it. And I think that's beautiful,

Kim Vopni:

yeah, providing some hope to people, because it is very lonely and isolating, and they think they're the only ones. They think they're broken, and they, you know, if they if they have surgery and it fails, they feel even more broken. If they take a medication it's not working, they feel they're doing something wrong, and they just haven't been given the right tools or care provider yet. And really, my whole mission is to get this information out so people have a better understanding of themselves, that they can feel empowered and can advocate for themselves also, and so they realize this is something that they can they have such a they play such a vital role in in controlling it. And if they pay attention, then really, their life can change so much for the better. Hey,

Dr. Terry Weyman:

Smiths, I just got one question you hear you keep mentioning physical therapists. Are they the only ones that are licensed to do pelvic floor? Or are there other chiropractic

Kim Vopni:

educational therapists are now starting, so somebody who has taken the the courses to and then passed the testing and gone through the licensing procedure, it can't like I couldn't do it. I'm not. I am not an internal therapist, so I can't take that, but somebody like a chiropractor, potentially could a massage therapist, potentially could. But occupational therapists and physical therapists right now are the two main bodies who take the training and then become licensed to do the internal evaluation and treatment.

Dr. Spencer Baron:

So in other words, you know, if you have your certification and strength and conditioning. That's not going to fly.

Kim Vopni:

No, no, you have to be some sort of a licensed practitioner to then become licensed to do internal evaluation.

Dr. Spencer Baron:

That's fantastic. No, that's really great. So with that said, you know, there's, there's, you know, all the influencers out there, they're all pushing, you know, products to fix this and fix that. And I think there's things called like pelvic wands and weights smart trainers. You know, how do you separate fads from the real tools that that that work? Do you share that with with people?

Kim Vopni:

Yeah, I get asked about gadgets and tools and devices all the time, because, again, they're, and, you know, companies get take a bit of slack because they're, they're marketing to women for, you know, a very sensitive topic, and I don't, I don't bash the companies, because there, there are a lot of really valuable technologies, products that are out in the market, and We deserve to know them before people, though, invest in a device of some sort, I would always say, invest your money first into a pelvic floor physical therapist, even if you go for one session to really understand the needs of your pelvic floor, what your current pelvic floor situation is? Do you tend to be on the overactive side? Do you tend to be on the lack side? Is there a little bit of an imbalance? Do you have any organ prolapse? Do you present differently? Well, most everybody does. But do your muscles work differently in being assessed in a supine position versus a standing position? When is it that like, what activity is it that is most problematic? Do you still have a menstrual cycle? Are you post menopause? Are you using vaginal estrogen? Like there's lots of other things that we can we can look at that a pelvic floor PT, could discuss with you that could potentially be what moves the needle for you before you go and invest in a gadget that, again, if the gadgets can play a role, but if the user is not educated in how to use that gadget appropriately, it will probably just be another thing that sits in your cosmetic drawer in your bathroom because it's not being used, right? So I like Kegel weights as a progression. I like the biofeedback trainers. So like the parafit, if that's something that if you've had an evaluation from a PT, and they have said that you would benefit from some isolated pelvic floor muscle training. Initially, I think those are great, but again, that doesn't train the pelvic floor upright against gravity. That's usually done when you're lying in your bed with the biofeedback trainers. Then the other one is the Kegel chairs. So there's many different companies now, and many different med spas and and even some pelvic floor PTS who are bringing in these Kegel chairs into their practice, where the woman would sit fully clothed, or the man at the person would sit fully clothed on this chair. And there's basically impulses, electric, uh. Of impulses, basically, that are sent into the pelvic floor. Tune. The marketing is we do 11 to 13,000 Kegels for you, which, again, sounds glorious, great, though I can outsource the work. And I think there is a popular I know there is populations that can benefit from that, spinal cord injuries, nerve damage, mobility, limited populations, but it's an expensive outsource. It doesn't cure it's something you would need to maintain, and sometimes can make the situation worse for people. So again, I rather than throwing your money to a gadget, come to a PT first, get an understanding of your pelvic floor, do the work of addressing a constipation, address your dehydration, pay attention to your posture. Do you need vaginal estrogen? Would a pessary possibly help you? Are you doing your consistent pelvic floor muscle training dynamically and once all those have been done for, say, three to six months, and the person still isn't experiencing the support they need. Now, let's go look at what other adjunct therapies we could try. But I would never again say that would be a first line of defense.

Dr. Spencer Baron:

Kim, let me backpedal just a minute. I have a few questions about this topic. You did? You did? You say earlier? Kegel weights a

Kim Vopni:

kegel, Kegel, then you're really getting a buffer. So, yeah, we can, we can insert. There are some, some products that are made with crystal or stone, and there are some that are made with silicone. And these are devices that would be inserted into vagina that are weighted. And usually, many of them come in a set. So they start with a lighter weight, and they would progress up to a heavier weight. It could be anywhere between three to six weights within the set, and they would be put inside, and they act like picking up a dumbbell. It's It's resistance, so it's not where I would start somebody. It's something that they could potentially progress to if they have the awareness and the capacity to contract and relax their pelvic floor appropriately. But many people 50 Shades of Gray, when that book and that movie came out, there was Kegel balls that became very popular because they were talked about in this in this book, and a lot of people were buying them, thinking it was going to be this miraculous fix to their pelvic floor. And sure, many people could potentially benefit. But there are also some people who don't yet have the capacity to hold something weighted in their vagina, and sometimes the the instruction is put it in and hold it and clean your house or have a shower. And I prefer it to be more like put it in and now do some active, voluntary, you know, activation, relaxation, potentially hold the little tail part that's outside the body, pull that gently and try to resist that like, that's more to me, functional weighted training for the pelvic floor. There's another one that there's a the portion that goes inside the vagina has a long tail outside, and the weight is actually outside the body. And so you would stand and that weight moves again. So you kind of have to, it's like a wobble board, almost. You have to navigate the changing which I think, you know, brilliant, innovative, not where I would start somebody, but I think that there, there absolutely is a role for Kegel weights, biofeedback trainers, the Kegel chair, potentially, for some it's just the way that it's presented is that it is I need that device, and that's going to fix my problem, and then I won't have to do the work we we're very much a society now that we like to outsource as much as we possibly can to something else so that we don't have to do it. And I always refer to the movie wall E, the kids movie, and it's just this brilliant, uncomfortable, uncomfortably accurate foreshadowing of our human race, and the more we outsource like the less we do, the less we can do. And specific to the pelvic floor, we have to get that foundation working well and able to manage all the things that we do.

Dr. Spencer Baron:

I would like to make a comment about what has been an age old device that people use to use what they it was like a they made it into a suitcase with electrodes you put on your abdominals, and you sit back in a lounge care lounge chair and it flexes, and they say, Oh, you'll get a six pack abs. That's the same approach that some of these companies use to strengthen the the pelvic floor muscles, which doesn't make sense. Yeah, you're getting something else to do the job, and that's not so what

Dr. Terry Weyman:

to walk and to walk a fine line. We've heard of what you're talking about, these Kegel balls. We've heard them referred to with like Benoit balls and. That's and they're designed for increase in sexual function. And it's always been marketing as a sexual device. I've never heard of it being marketed for pelvic floor. So a lot of these stuff, a lot of this stuff that was that's business wise, that they threw in and cause these, you know, Asian techniques and all this stuff for vaginal strength, it's actually a pelvic floor exercise. Is that what you're saying?

Kim Vopni:

Yeah, and when we have an optimally functioning pelvic floor, our sexual response will be greater as well. So when we have like, you're right, a lot of the Benoit balls, or the the Kegel balls were, and still are. Many of them are marketed for for sexual pleasure. So some people would, many of them have they're a ball with another ball inside. So there's almost like a ball inside that rattles. And when that's inserted, the rattling is it's helping with blood flow, circulation, but also, for some, may contribute to pleasure, pleasurable sensations, but also it's kind of like vibration training, where there's more muscle that comes in to navigate that additional movement. And there are some that are marketed could be the exact same product to a sexual group of customers, sexual health and wellness. And then there's another that's pelvic health and wellness. Really. There they can be used interchangeably for similar things, but ultimately, if you are optimizing the function of your pelvic floor, and I'm not just saying strengthen your pelvic floor, but if you have a good balance between effort and ease, you can contract, you can relax. You have good blood flow, you have circuit good circulation. You have muscles that are reacting appropriately that will then enhance sexual wellness as well.

Dr. Terry Weyman:

I can see all these men now getting ready to go shopping for honey. This is good for your pelvic floor. Is a

Kim Vopni:

pelvic floor physical therapist, right?

Dr. Spencer Baron:

But I got to tell you, you have shared a realization that I never realized. I'm 64 and I recall experiencing intercourse, and you know, after the orgasm, the woman will flex the muscles that I never realized were the pelvic floor muscles. And I actually made a joke about, well, look, you just squeezed me out of house and home. That was, and it's, it's actually quite impressive the strength that some have, yeah, those

Kim Vopni:

muscles well, and an orgasm is like, that's a really great pelvic floor strengthening, her pelvic floor, because you are getting involuntary contract and relax. So it's kind of like a bunch of different involuntary Kegels done so kind of like what those chairs are trying to do. So have more orgasm, have more sex. And that's a good way to strengthen your

Dr. Terry Weyman:

pelvic floor as well. Well, you know that we need to, you know, start helping out our women their life by just helping their pelvic floor. Because we're just givers

Kim Vopni:

well, and also the way that you can help as well, if you have a if you have women in your life, is when so I talked about fingers being inserted from being a biofeedback perspective, but a penis could be inserted just like the also the parafid is a biofeedback device. So if you have a partner with a penis, the penis can be inserted, and that can also be, Can you feel me hugging your penis? Can you feel like I'm drawing it up a little? Can you feel like I'm letting it go? So it can be like a little partner training session as well?

Dr. Spencer Baron:

I am all over that

Dr. Terry Weyman:

we make it clinical. Come on, it's all clinical. It's all for better health. Yeah, for sure.

Dr. Spencer Baron:

Walk into the bed with a whistle and

Kim Vopni:

clipboard. Do it right? Yeah,

Dr. Spencer Baron:

Kim is Kim told us this is we could do. Kim, let me ask you about menopause, childbirth, high intensity sports, even long hours of sitting at a desk, you know, all that stress that, that pelvic floor, you know, experiences and different aspects. I mean, if you had to design like a, like a, if you could just tell the listening, viewing audience, maybe a 10 minute daily routine, what, you know, what? What would that look like for all life ages, that even the monsters can start now,

Kim Vopni:

yeah, I mentioned constipation, hydration always the first. So you want to make sure you're drinking two to three liters of water a day at least. You want to make sure that you're eating an appropriate level of fiber for you. So we have recommendations of fiber, but people will react differently, so you need to kind of do a bit of do a bit of trial and error to see what is the appropriate level and balance between soluble and insoluble fiber for you. So you're consuming a diversity of foods gut health friendly, but also that promote good bowel movements, so that you have at least one Bristol stool chart number four poop every single day, and you experience your pouphoria. And then some level of throughout the day, an awareness of your posture, whether you are sitting, whether you are standing, what it is that you're you're doing, ideally, you're not sitting or holding yourself in non optimal positions for a very long period of time, having the pelvis in a posterior tilt, so where the tailbone would be more underneath you, so to speak, is, I'm not saying that's a bad position, but if that's how you sit all day, or if that's how you are standing all day, that's not going to put your pelvic floor in a favorable position to manage intra abdominal pressure and do all the things that it needs to do so moving in a variety of ways. Taking breaks from seated if you happen to be seated, take breaks from standing if you happen to be standing, but optimizing your posture throughout those movements as well. Again, not saying you have to be in neutral pelvis all day long, but just being aware of if you have these holding patterns that are maybe not favorable do some form of pelvic floor muscle training. So that could be a buff muff workout. That could be, maybe it is a kegel weight practice. There's another technique I do called hypopresses. Hypo means low pressive pressure. So these are generally postures, or poses you get in that don't really they're not huge increasers of intra abdominal pressure. And then there's a breath practice that we do within that, and that's really helpful for pelvic floor dysfunction, especially pelvic organ prolapse, can be helpful for constipation, incontinence as well, even people with pelvic pain. So some form of pelvic floor attention, whether that has been being brought into your existing workout or it's its own little, you know, pelvic floor routine. So every morning I do a 20 minute hypopressive practice with about five minutes of sort of buff muff style, like a pelvic tilts and bridges with with voluntary with the core breath I was talking about earlier. But I also do some sort of like I do resistance training three to four times a week, and I will often be bringing my pelvic floor or the core breath into certain movements within my resistance training workout as well. And that's I mean. And then if you happen to have sex that day, then you know, hopefully you're enjoying sex. If you are post menopause, vaginal moisturizer, vaginal estrogen and lubricant for sexual activity. And sexual activity could be with or without a partner. It could be with or without a device. Doesn't just have to be penis and vagina sex, and even if you're not sexually active, even if you're not sexually active, just by yourself, you would still benefit, and I consider it to be essential post menopause for the rest of your life to use vaginal estrogen.

Dr. Spencer Baron:

Nice, Terry, tell the truth, if you flexed your pelvic floor during this conversation at all,

Dr. Terry Weyman:

probably three quarters of this whole conversation, yeah, I'm just it's

Kim Vopni:

good because I didn't notice, like if you were, if you were doing, yeah, that would that would be great if I

Dr. Terry Weyman:

use the word pumped up, but I am doing, and

Kim Vopni:

that would be so coming back to the to the to the male population, I talked about one couple cues for women. So pick up a blueberry with your vagina and your anus, sip a smoothie through a straw. For men, it's the principles of posture, breath, alignment, all that stuff is the same. Cueing would be different. So for men, the one could be making your penis dance. One could be Imagine walking into a cold lake, and there's, you know, the retraction of the scrotum. The one that was researched to be the most effective cue for men was shorten the penis, and that was interpreted as or more, more people preferred pull the turtle into the shell. So that would be the cue that was the best for women, for men, in terms of activating their pelvic

Dr. Terry Weyman:

floor. Well, I think that's a lot. I think that's a lot better than trying to pick up a blueberry with my penis. So I'm picking up with Uranus, yeah, but yeah, so I'm glad you gave us some other things to think about, other than trying to squat over a blueberry bush. And

Dr. Spencer Baron:

then the whole concept of the turtle retracting, I just think of that Seinfeld episode with shrinkage. And, yeah, most favorable image,

Dr. Terry Weyman:

well, it gives a new it gives a new mean to cold plunges, you know? Because I think, I think, you know, I think that just will do the pelvic floor and everything all just jump in the cold plunge and you're good, yeah. And when you're

Kim Vopni:

in a cold plunge and you're cold, there's going to be restriction, and a lot of people will, especially women, will notice they have an increase in they can't control their pelvic floor as well when they are really cold. And that could be cold weather. It could be in cold. Plunge getting out of a pool because we're tense. And again, tension is not we think of. We want a tight pelvic floor. We want a tight vagina, but it's tension that is often contributing to the weakness. So we can let go of that.

Dr. Terry Weyman:

On that note, is a cold plunge helpful for the pelvic floor or not?

Kim Vopni:

I don't know any research specific to the pelvic floor with cold plunging. I know that there's lots of debate about the benefits of cold plunging for women in particular, and what temperatures and how long. So looking Dr Stacy Sims is somebody who she would be a great guest on your podcast. She's coined the term women are not small men, and really is trying to highlight how so much research has been done on men, and then just, let's just back it up a little for women, and not not taking into account that we do have different physiology. And cold plunge is one of the things that gets talked about a lot within her community, like, there's all these benefits, but is it really the same benefit for women as it is for men and and the answer generally is no, especially not as cold, not as long. So nothing's done, not that I know of nothing's been done. Specifically, very

Dr. Spencer Baron:

cool, very cool, Kimber, you're gonna come out with a vagina power lifting competition. I can see it. I just know it's in your

Kim Vopni:

future. There, actually, there actually is another Kim who does that. Kim and Ami, and she's also from Vancouver, and she is, she does, she she has people use Jade eggs, which is basically like a kegel weight with that's made of stone string attached. And then she she has incredible photos of herself where attached to the string on that Jade egg is a surfboard or a chandelier, or, anyway, now I look at that and I think impressive, but I also that's not necessarily the goal we It doesn't just because you could hold a surfboard, that doesn't mean that that's that's not the gold standard. So again, impressive, but that, I don't want to put that as like what we are all aspiring to.

Dr. Terry Weyman:

We are, well, we now know what Dr Spencer's gonna be doing for this afternoon. He's gonna be doing some research on how to move surfboards with your vagina. I can see it. I can see it now.

Dr. Spencer Baron:

Karen's in the next room. I'm sure she is. She flew down. I can't wait. Okay, Kim, we're nearing the end of the show, but we have to do our most fun part of the show, and that is rapid fire questions. Okay, you're pretty sharp, so I think you'll do real well, but we do need short answers, because we're almost out of time, and that's the point. Rapid fire questions, which never happens anyway. All right. Question number one, how important is your diet when it comes to the pelvic floor, and are there any foods in particular that can cause harm?

Kim Vopni:

Very important. Bladder irritants. Harm is a strong word, but bladder irritants could potentially be a challenge. So caffeine, alcohol, artificial sweeteners, spicy foods, acidic foods, chocolate carbonated beverages, those are very common bladder irritants. So harm, harm is a strong word, but could contribute to symptoms.

Dr. Spencer Baron:

Nice, fascinating answer too. Thank you. Question number two, what's one guilty pleasure TV show or podcast you've never, you would never admit to binge watching until now.

Kim Vopni:

My binge watch, honestly, is HGTV. I love a good home Renault show. I don't I don't watch any of the other ones.

Dr. Spencer Baron:

That may be bad enough. That's all right. Gosh, question number three, if you weren't a vagina coach, which I love saying that I can't wait till I get back to work and tell people I interviewed a vagina coach today, what's that? What's the alternate career that you would have, secretly probably had that you would, you would have, you would have focused on,

Kim Vopni:

I always grew up wanting to be a dolphin trainer.

Unknown:

Are you serious, really? Yeah, not. I

Kim Vopni:

don't know if I would. I would choose that now, but that's what I grew up wanting to be a dolphin trainer. Oh

Dr. Spencer Baron:

my gosh. I actually dated a woman who trained flipper. Do you remember? Yeah, you remember flipper? Yeah, yeah, that because that was, I'm in South Florida, and that was where the Seaquarium was. What a cool All right, you would have, you would have loved question number four, what's the funniest or most unexpected question someone has ever DMed you on Instagram or even out? Asked you.

Kim Vopni:

Oh, gosh, that this is many. Yeah, actually, what I will say, I get lots of people who want to send me pictures of their vagina, who want me to diagnose things. So that's never I've never allowed that to happen, but a couple have tried. One of the funniest things that I will say is I had a woman in my community who is not tech savvy, and my program is delivered online, and we are still in a snail mail because she doesn't, she can't use email, which you have to have an email to sign up for the program. And she successfully did that, but she only communicates via snail mail. So that's one of the funniest stories I have. Is I still have her letters posted up on my bulletin board, the old

Dr. Spencer Baron:

days, the old days. Betty, Yeah, question number five and the last question for you, Kim, if you could go back, you know, 20 years to your, excuse me, to your 20 year self, you know what? What would be one piece of life advice that you would you know, not about work, but about living life. What would that be?

Kim Vopni:

Don't be in a rush to grow up and make sure that you you take care of this vessel that we have along the way. How many

Unknown:

kids do you have?

Kim Vopni:

Two kids, two boys, two boys. Oh, they must,

Dr. Spencer Baron:

well, educated. I got two boys. Dr Terry has two boys. We understand that's Yeah. Kim, thank you so much. What a super informative program. Very unique. Thank you. Thank you.

Kim Vopni:

Thank you for having me. I appreciate it. Appreciate you. Too. Thank you.

Dr. Spencer Baron:

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