Healing What Medicine Missed- Dr Andria Klioze

In this compelling episode of the Crackin’ Backs Podcast, we sit down with Dr. Andria Klioze—physician, disease-reversal pioneer, and founder of the wellness platform Shield of Life. After years inside the rule-bound system of the Veterans Affairs (VA) caring for patients with advanced illnesses, Dr. Klioze made a bold decision: to leave the traditional structure and build a new model of care focused on gut health, soil microbiome, energy medicine, and true resilience.

In this episode you’ll learn:

• What it costs a doctor to trade “prescriptions for possibility,” and how hope, truth, love and faith can meet evidence-based medicine.
• The hardest lessons she had to unlearn after stepping away from the VA, and what healing really looks like when you remove bureaucracy.
• Why she calls her garden philosophy – and how the soil beneath your feet may reflect the health within your body.
• Her breakthrough integration of the human gut microbiome, soil biology and pulsed electromagnetic activation (PEMA), uniting energy medicine and biology.
• A life-changing patient story that redefines “reversal,” and the tools she uses when everyday life feels numb or cynical to keep belief alive.

Whether you’re looking for ways to reverse disease, reboot your health, or question the limits of modern medicine, this discussion cuts deep. It’s for the seekers, the skeptics, and anyone ready to step into possibility.

About Dr. Andria Klioze:
Dr. Klioze graduated from the Eastern Virginia Medical School in 1995, completed her residency in internal medicine at the University of Florida College of Medicine in 1999 and a fellowship in faculty development in 2002. She is board-certified in Internal Medicine and Obesity Medicine. In 2002 she left her role as Director of Faculty Development at UF and as a hospitalist for the VA in Gainesville, to work in the VA’s new metabolic clinic in Daytona Beach. Today she leads Shield of Life, a physician-led program that focuses on disease-mitigation, remission and reversal through holistic, science-driven protocols.

Learn more & connect with Dr. Klioze:
Website: Shield for Life
Instagram: @drandriaklioze
Facebook: Shield of Life Facebook Page
(Check for her podcast, webinars and educational series at her site.)

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Transcript

Dr. Spencer Baron: 0:02

Some doctors manage a disease a rare tries to erase it. Now, Dr Andrea Cleo spent years inside of VAs rule book, then stepped out to build shield of life, teaching patients to change their food habits, even their soil. Today, we're at we are asking, What does it cost a physician to trade prescriptions for possibility, and how do you keep the science honest when your compass is hope? Welcome to the show. Dr Andrea Cleos,

Dr. Adria Kiloze: 0:34

thank you. Thank you for that very nice, warm introduction. But I did do some of this inside the VA too, although we won't talk about the VA, but what I do outside, I did inside, except for some devices that I couldn't bring into the VA, so

Dr. Spencer Baron: 0:49

that that is just on the cusp of all the things that we want to talk about with you. I know you've got so much information behind but let's start with this. You talk about, I love the fact that, and we've spoken a little bit before, and it was fascinating. You talk about hope, truth, love and faith. You know that's in the same breath as evidence based medicine. So that's not a casual pairing. That's that's unique for you. So when did science say one thing and your soul whispered something else?

Dr. Adria Kiloze: 1:19

So I love science. I've always loved science. And when I left the university, I was Director of Education at UF and I started the hospitals program for the VA, and we did a lot of changes to that new program to help save money and efficiency. And the VA said, We don't want to lose you. So I was asked to come to the Daytona Beach VA, and I said, Well, I will only come if I don't have to take care of runny noses and a cold. So I they agreed, and I took care of patients with heart failure, liverfake, kidney failure, pancreatic failure. I'd work with the oncology patients, but I didn't prescribe them. I'm not an oncologist, their protocols. And at the time, we were doing large group clinics, and when the patients were coming in, and this is over 25 years or 23 years ago now, they were coming in, they were all overweight. And at the time, obesity was not a disease, nor was it an epidemic. In our minds. Perhaps it was already at that time we just didn't see it. Sometimes things hit our face before we recognize it to be a problem. And as I saw all these people coming in, I thought, there's this commonality. They're all very large, and they're suffering from many disease states. So that's when it hit me in the head that something is common in these very advanced disease states. And so I started looking at their eating habits, their exercise habits, their sleeping habits, their spirituality habits. It wasn't that all those things came into the picture. They just kind of kept hitting me one after another, and I started manipulating each one. One of them was that they continued to eat and drink all day long. Because marketing is wonderful, and we market people to take electrolytes when they're not sweating, we market people to take all sorts of drink alternatives, whether it's nut alternatives, nut milks or, you know, electrolytes or energy drinks or protein drinks, and those have impacts on the way our bodies metabolize things and impact our overall health, good or bad, the way people look at it. So I said, Let's streamline it to the way we were designed, and I said, let's just switch to water. Let's make things as simple as possible. Then we started looking at foods. And we started looking at when they were eating, the timing of eating. So before you know intermittent fasting, we were skipping meals. We were skipping snacks, because your body already has that reserve in it, and eventually our program evolved to the point where people were coming off large amounts of insulin, to the point where they were no longer having signs of diabetes. Their hemoglobin, a one Cs were lower. I can't formally say anything from a scientific method, because I could never do research. This wasn't looked at from a research but it was an observational state that I saw in my patients. Because this wasn't this was something I did in the ones that I took care of, and then I went to the National Diabetes Association meeting, and I was in a subcommittee of endocrinologist and nutritionists, and after they had their discussions, I raised my hand and I said, Can I share something that's happening and maybe you guys can give me advice? And they said yes, or share some knowledge. I. I'm getting people off hundreds of units of insulin that have been diabetics 2530 years, and they were like, well, it's not going to last. And I really don't believe they were being ugly or arrogant or they were being fed by pharmaceutical. I just don't think you observe it, you don't know it, you don't try it, you don't believe it. There are so many possibilities, and I'll share some of the things that I've seen that have really humbled me and really pushed more my spirituality because of that. But in the end, these patients, they said it's not going to change. And I went home very sad thinking I can't tell my patients that this they're going to be back on insulin, they're going to be back on all these medications. Because, you know, hyperinsulinemia is a is a problem. It's not the only we teach all sorts of causes of disease, about 11 that we have in my bank of knowledge that I teach people to reverse disease. Hyperinsulinemia is one of many and as I lower hyperinsulinemia to a normal range, not only does it impact diabetes, it impacts cardiovascular disease, gout, endovascular disease. So it could be kidney, it could be brain, vascular disease in the feet and vascular disease in erectile function. So we have reversal of erectile function coming back in 70 year olds, audiologic issues, visual issues, retinopathy, so vascular flow throughout the body. Then you see improvements in uric acid. You see improvements in blood sugars and diabetes. So so it's like a domino effect. Once you improve one thing, other things improve, but we were doing many things at the same time. So you can't say it was just hyperinsulinemia, but as I understood, I do feel my colleagues in medicine care, I really hate when I go to alternative lectures or hear people speaking and they bash internal medicine, classical allopathic medicine, because I feel like these are people that took the oath to do no harm, and I do think in their hearts, they don't think they're doing harm. And I want to believe, I want to believe some of our administrators in Washington also think they're doing no harm, but it depends on who's bending their ear one way, and they're not really seeing the big picture. But over the years, I've gotten people out of scooters, not just off walkers, but out of scooters, off oxygen. That was the time where I was like, Oh my gosh, this is not just working. This is amazing. It's not rocket science. It's simple. People need to be committed. People need to use adjunctive care, like chiropractic care, to help get themselves. And sometimes that can't just be once in a while. Sometimes it needs to be ongoing. Sometimes it is more intense, depending on the age and the person and what they suffer from. I have neuroma in my foot, or I would say it's almost gone. Most of the people go to a podiatrist to have them cut out with those sound wave devices that piezoelectric hit that neuroma, and now my duration of running, I can improve my running without that, without having to have any major operation. I use pulsed electromagnetic frequency outside, because it helps with inflammation and healing. There's so many modalities that I think when we learn to really take the oath of I took an oath to do no harm. That means I looked at all things or tried to extend my knowledge into all things that helped someone heal. Because patients come to us, clients come to us, and they say, Lord Byron, Dr Berman, I Byron, dr, Terry, I am giving you all my hope and intentions that you took an oath to do the best by me, and I'm paying you for your knowledge and wisdom, just like we do when we go to the car mechanic, we're hoping that they're going to use their knowledge and not take advantage of US, and when we do take advantage of people, then, then Woe to us in the day of reckoning, because we really should do and live the truth and do our most honest bidding, because it's not just here we have to be responsible. But I do believe in heaven, and I do believe one day that I'll be called to do the right did you do the right thing, or were you fair and honest? And I do take very much value in the oath I took as a physician, so I think all these modalities have means, and we should eliminate as much artificial things that we can have

Dr. Spencer Baron: 9:54

always been. No, no, no. This is good. This is great. Have you always been inquisitive? Because now. Not, not many people, they just go on. I mean, they most a lot of doctors just are on autopilot. But you Was there something in your childhood or teenage that you always questioned how things move?

Dr. Adria Kiloze: 10:13

I love solving problems. I mean, I definitely was stronger at math than I was in than I was in, in literature, but I do love literature, and I love writing and reading, even though I'm dyslexic, and I failed the first grade. But my father was a he's, you could call him a rocket scientist. He came over from Europe. It worked at Boeing, and then was at NASA. And my mom was very analytical, even though she was an artist, and so I think in our home, there was just a lot of that going on. We were always looking stuff up, encyclopedias. We were always kind of trying to discuss, you know, why things happened. So I do think that my upbringing was a part of that.

Dr. Spencer Baron: 10:58

Do you remember a moment at the maybe at the VA, or somewhat, maybe a particular patient where you said, where you first started questioning you, Something's just not right

Dr. Adria Kiloze: 11:09

here. Oh yeah, when, when they were coming off insulin, right and left. And I said, Okay, I've got to talk to some endocrinologists, because this is crazy.

Dr. Spencer Baron: 11:19

These, I mean, what were you doing, though? What were you suggesting at that month? What were you

Dr. Adria Kiloze: 11:24

Oh, I was changing diet. I was changing their sleep. I was changing their exercise. I was getting them off all this food. The whole calorie counting thing is a bunch of horse Maloney. I'm not saying it doesn't help people, because it regulates volume and choices, but 100 which logically, 100 calories of string beans are not the same thing as 100 calories of fruit or popcorn that turns into a sugar, right? I mean, and glucose is impact on our body is very different than the string beans that decrease free radicals and decrease inflammation. So the reality is is calorie counting doesn't make sense. It's not and it's not calories in, calories out, for all people, to some degree, yes, I mean, but for some degree, no,

Dr. Spencer Baron: 12:12

that makes sense when? Okay, so here's an interesting dilemma that could have been posed on you when you walked away from a system like the VA, you know, what was the hardest part to unlearn about being a doctor inside that system and then transitioning to an area where you could just do what you want, almost?

Dr. Adria Kiloze: 12:35

Well, it's really, it's really been last week, two weeks ago, that I left the VA, and I love the VA, and I love the patients, and I loved our administration. I mean, I think their heart is in the right place. People love to bash but, but they're, they're a great they there are great things about it. It's not, it's not the VA, it's not the local hospital. It's not my problem is with the American Medical Association, and probably dates back to, you know, Carnegie and them pushing all of the pharmaceuticals and and I don't even bash pharmaceutical industry, because we need medications, but we don't only need medication, and we need medications for times, not all times, and so we that's why we all have to play in the sandbox together well, because when we bash each other, we eliminate things, and sometimes those things shouldn't be eliminated. So I would say that I loved, and I love my veterans. I loved my work, and I was very honored to take care of the people in this country that served us. And I do think the administration, many of them, have hearts of gold and really serve the veterans as I did. It's unfortunate when structure is wrong from the fact that the healthcare industry pushes, and our medical industries push so much medication, and the only way in our education system is you got to go to surgery and you got to go to medication. But you know why we are now opening up the doors to chiropractic care and, you know acupuncture? I mean, medicine is now finally starting to give acknowledgement to the wonderful work that you do and acupuncturists do. But I think that this is, this is a dynamic that we all need to pull together more often and pull together our agricultural backgrounds and understanding of biodynamics, of soil health and gut health, and how they overlay and making this ecosystem where, if we all work together, we can make for a better place and better healing and better referrals and connections.

Unknown: 14:56

You know,

Dr. Adria Kiloze: 14:58

I'm listening. Into what you're saying and and what a lot of people don't know, and I want the audience to really understand, because you're talking about a lot of food and water. And here you are, a an internist with this amazing background. We were talking off air about you working in Europe and and all the stuff you've done, yet, what people don't realize is you're also a pretty high end gardener, and everything in your backyard, from what I hear, is edible, and you have this garden, and what I'm hearing is your garden is more than just food. It's a philosophy, right? And you look at the space and you're cultivating resistance, you're pruning out this function, and you're simply trusting nature to find its balance by just getting making things a little more simple. Can you elaborate of how this garden and this look at food different mix with your science background? You know what's really cool? So, very good parallel. Excellent question. And very cool thing. So as I walk through my garden, people say, Andrea, how much? How do you do all this? You know, I don't have to do much. Why? Because when the soil is healthy, the plant is healthy and it can fight off disease. I don't have to use pesticides. I don't have to do too much. I mean, I have to prune for spring and fall, you know. And some other times, if we have a lot of rain, you know, we need to prune more. But it's not like there's a bunch of bugs and there's not a lot of there are some weeds, but there's not a lot of weeds either. When the rainy season comes, there's more rapid growth of that. So just like you and I, if we maintain our health, we don't have to use a lot of ancillary stuff, because it all maintains balance. So we perfectly parallel the environment in my backyard, because it's not difficult to maintain. It's not overwhelming. I did hire a specialist the Grow garden company, because they helped with maximizing irrigation and and solar energy, because you want to maximize the growth of certain plants based on where they are planted, versus the height of the sun, the duration of the sun and the lowering. So sometimes, when we invest our money, we may not go to ourself. We may go to an investor who knows well, and it doesn't mean you have to spend a lot of money for somebody like that, but it also may not be cheap, either. It may not be super expensive, but in the end, you save time and efficiency and you learn, you know. So I'm always learning from them. It's not like I just innately have this I had a desire because I understood that balance in nature and that I wanted that balance because I was seeing as my patients healed, that that was important. And then we also do cooking classes, not because I'm just an Italian, but I've been hired by many people to do cooking classes, and I do it, and we do cooking, and we do it, you know, to help people understand the soil, to help people send us the choices of food, the seasonings, herbs and spices heal us. God gave us the herbs and the spices, and that heals us and the plants. And so it makes for a fun evening, because we talk about polyphenols, and they're like, What are polyphenols and alkaloids? And, you know? And so, you know, it makes for a fun time, but it also provides education. And what I like to tell people, people also ask me, Dr CLIs, how do you get people to change like, I know you're supposed to eat differently. I know you got to go exercise. I tell them this. Why would you ever put water in your gas tank and expect your car to run efficiently? The second most powerful statement is you've invested your life in earning money. Because we're a capitalistic country, money is important. Why would you take that money at the end of your life and give it to a nursing home when you could have enjoyed your life and then pass it on to your grandkids and your kids, investing in your knowledge why and how things work, investing in yourself and your family, teaching them and providing with the right nutrients at the table, sitting and honoring God at the table as a family, spending time at the gym or going for a walk together with the spouse that you love, because it's not fun to live alone. These are the kinds of things, investments. What are we making this money for? But it's the power of knowledge. It's the power of soil. It's the power of putting it all together that we heal. And then when you have patients coming off oxygen out of scooters, you're like, oh my gosh, this is crazy. It's crazy. You. Keep mentioning soil, soil, soil. So I'm gonna give you another little analogy. You've you bridge soil microbiomes. And yeah, we can also use the analogy that our gut is microbiomes. And so let's bridge that, that energy medicine, with biology. And I want to kind of tap into your knowledge as an internist and how you can use this microbiome and soul we've had regender medicine. I mean regenerative farmers talking about the on our show, talking about how disrupting the soil can actually ruin it. And so how is you as an internist, talking to somebody who's very medically minded convince them that the microbiome of their gut is like this soil in your garden. So, so the microbiome in the soil generates these different organisms, the bacteria, the fungus, the Mycenae, I would liken the mycelium to the neurologic track from that goes all over the brain to our body and travels and provides nutrients, right? So as we begin to eat the foods, the acid is like maybe a bacteria helping break down that food. The enzymes in our intestinal tract, our small intestines are another form of worm or agent that further breaks it down, and then we get to the colon, which most people don't realize. Most of your biome is in your colon. But when the colon gets that, it starts producing those microorganisms in there start producing neurotransmitters. Okay, that's our happiness, that's our motivation, our dopamine, that's our serotonin, that is our GABA, which is our yin and our Yang. It's also our B and our K vitamins that then that mycelium, or those neuronal pathways, which you want to say is our mycelium, then fires that to our brain and our legs and our arms, and it allows for recovery of neurologic decline, of depression, of sleep disorders of metabolism, to activate metabolism and allows for our bodies to function at a much higher cognitive level. Now let's flip it around. You have the choice of eating some broccoli that's got some mustard seed on it because it activates my RNase to help break down sulfur of vein to then give the release and help release and decrease free radicals that is an inflammatory agent throughout our body, causing endovascular disruption, causing receptor disruption, so the communication between the cells are disrupted, and it takes several turnovers of cell regeneration to get that cell working again. Then there's also the issue of DNA mutations that are affected. So those we need lots and constant free radical reduction to improve constant cell turnover. So it's not just eating one good meal of those vegetables or one little vegetable on a dish when we go to a restaurant, right? We need lots of those anti inflammatory things if we're suffering from neurologic decline or inflammation because of cardiovascular disease. So it's the fat around the myocardium. We talk about sick fat, the thickness of that myocardial fat, that induces all the arrhythmias like atrial fibrillation. It's that central adiposity that actually causes the inflammation in our neurologic systems, in our brain. So we have to do intermittent fasting to cut that down. But then if we calorie count, oh, you can't go that low, but wait a minute. You can take a GLP, one agonist, and you can fast all you want. You're going to be fine, okay. But then when they fall down, because they lost a lot of muscle, then there's a problem with fasting too much and not knowing what your body composition is and where your muscles are, so that biodynamic of soil and gut bacteria activating the anti inflammation or holy a list, holistic balance of healing is the same as that gut biome goes back to those bugs and worms and that mycelium that then transfers to keep the insects away so we don't have to use all the pesticides and herbicides and chemicals that the pharmaceutical industry is indirectly, if you parallel to the agriculture institutions are driving all this chemical. Chemical, chemical, chemical. Instead of nature. Nature was fasting. You know, one interesting thing about sick fat and fat, our fat cells, okay, when we're born, are brown or beige fat, right? And then as we age, it turns into white fat. But then as we activate the sympathetic nervous system, that white fat becomes activated and becomes beige fat, and that beige fat then burns and releases the heat. That's how we burn our fat, right? This is another reason why, when people do cold plunges, that they're activating the sympathetic nervous system. Not are they also doing cold shock proteins that decrease inflammation, but they're also activating white fat to go to brown fat because of sympathetic activation, and now you're burning the excess fat like the bear in wintertime. So the dynamics and understanding the earth and the animals and the plants and and the organisms is how we all exist as well, and that's how we heal. Hey, Doc, I'm gonna interject something. I got a question. Actually, I want ask a little advice, because you have a lot more experience than I do on this one. But I got in a conversation with the woman, very overweight, and she was asking me, knowing what I do for a living, I need to lose weight. And I told her almost exactly what you said. You know, clean up this. Drink a lot of water, and we're at this restaurant. And she was like, all in all fascinating. I thought I had her I thought I had her change, and I'm like, just drink water, drink, you know, no no sugars, no processed food. And she's, yeah, oh, I'm on this. And as she's leaving, she called the waiter over and ordered the piece of pie to go. And I went. I did not get through to her. Yeah, I thought I did. What is your advice? Because you worked with all these VAs on scooters and wheelchairs on oxygen, how do you get these people to get out of their comfort zone, to get to do what they don't want to do, to get them where they want to get I spend not only did I do it at the VA, but I do it here an hour to two hours going over the pathophysiology of free radicals, hyper high glucose, hyperinsulinemia, and my whole program is on education. If you were to join shield of life, it's all education, and then it's coaching, and it's reminding you what happens when we take in a large amount of oxygen in the form of glucose, because, remember, there's six carbons, 12 hydrogen, six oxygens, your, your you go through combustion, it turns into ATP. In that mitochondria, you're giving off. You're making water, and you're giving off CO two. But if you're eating a lot of those carbohydrates, that extra oxygen that doesn't bind to hydrogen or carbon, is going to be a free radical. And that free radical is like the Tasmanian devil, and it's going to pull on the inside lining of a vessel. It's going to pull on a receptor. It's going to mutate the DNA. That's just oxygen free radicals. You can talk to your guys that eat beef and pork, and are your your your carnivores, those are your nitrogen free radical guys. Okay? Because they're driving way too much. So those are your prostate cancer and colorectal cancer. So you really have to understand the science and and then drive it. Because some people say, Dr cliff, just give me your nutritional program, just give me your platform. And you know what? They'll lose 6080 pounds. If they do it, they will lose 6080 pounds. No problem. They won't stay on it, and they'll come back six to eight months later and say, I lost so much weight or five I had a patient come back six to eight years later. It wasn't a patient. He was a client. He got my nutritional platform, he got our overall program. Came back and couldn't do it because, you know, he didn't want to know the science. He just kind of wanted to drive the gas and the brake at the same time, and he couldn't get off the damn gas. I mean, off the brake. You seen these people on the road, and you see their their brake is always on, and you're like, What are you doing? Do you not know how to drive your car and maximize the efficiency? You're wasting energy. We're wasting energy, but we're wasting our resources. We're wasting our financial funds. We're wasting our life. I mean, not to toot my horn, but I did qualify and got into the Boston Marathon. I'm going to be 58 I'm not this is crazy. My third marathon. It's performance, maximizing the utilization of electromagnetic frequency energy, getting to bed on time, not over utilizing, you know, alcohol. I mean, alcohol is fine, don't let me get me wrong, I love my bourbon and ginger, but there's a time and a place, right? Yeah, I mean, there's a time and a place, but if you're going to load yourself with the wrong balance of nutrients, you can't just go keep. Go or go carnivore. Different times in our life, we can do different things, but everyone at different times needs different things, just like coming to see you, just like, not everybody needs to stay and see me. You know, there's times when we need those, those adjustments because we're jacked out, you know, because I've been running too hard on that pavement, and I need to come say, I just saw my chiropractor this morning, by the way, you know, yeah, I went to Palmer Chiropractic. You got to love them, but, you know, it's and all the different things, modalities that we utilize, but people need to want it. And Terry, dr, Terry, I think that you'd have to look at her and say, That's very high in carbs. Oh, now I'm going to start tomorrow. Okay, but tomorrow is when you're going to give your assets away to the nursing home, instead of because you don't know when the stroke is going to happen or the heart attack. And a lot of times they'll come to me after because their provider sent them, or people sent them to me. You know, this is intense. This is too severe. But you know, when you get out of the frying pot and you're walking and playing baseball after being in a scooter and playing six hours of baseball at 78 years of old age, you realize I don't have to be old at 78 I can have erectile function again. At 72 without medication, God made us perfectly. We just have to be willing to serve our bodies correctly.

Dr. Spencer Baron: 31:33

So I love that. I love the metaphors, and I we feel very strongly about education, but what happens? Give us a scenario, or give the audience a listening and viewing audience, a scenario of when you you meet a patient that you haven't evaluated yet, and you have identified one thing. Now, education is good, but you know, some people, they need the carrot and they need the stick. You know they they need to be you have to obviously understand their motivation isn't just, you know, a behavior. It's a, you know, it's something that may, you may need to share that you're going to die if you don't do this, or you're going to live a better life if you do this. How do you handle your first introduction with a

Dr. Adria Kiloze: 32:17

patient? Well, I said, Why are you here? What do you want? What? What is your goal? And you know, sometimes it's, I need to lose 80 pounds for surgery. I want to get my knees done because I can't walk anymore. I'm in a wheelchair. Sometimes it's, I'm sick of all this medication. Sometimes it's, I just Dr Cleos. I just have never felt good about myself. I've always been pudgy and overweight. Sometimes they are sick of taking the medications. So it depends on why they come and I attack the science from that angle. Sometimes it's PTSD and they can't sleep. They've had traumas. So then we talk about hedonic drivers of the brain that kind of kink the hose and stop the flow of life, and they themselves become the disruptors of allowing their life to be functional, because we get stuck in this unhealthy behavioral pattern that's not not healthy. You know, we just assume life is going to be like this forever. Well, that's because you you've diagnosed yourself, and that's what you choose to have. But choice is whatever you choose. But you don't have to choose illness. You don't have to choose you know your past, you can say, Yes, I don't have to drive my car looking in the rear. Vermeer. I can drive looking forward. But that means you have to change. If we always do what we've always done, right, we're always going to get the same thing. So you have to be willing to make change. And sometimes people are good at making a lot at once, and some people make small changes. And so you have to also gage that with your patient. Some of my guys who hate vegetables, I had one time a client. Wasn't a client. I was at I would give it. Was giving a series of lectures in Port, orange town, a little bit from us, and I had a lady who said she never in her whole life ate a vegetable, not one vegetable, not a frozen not a can, not one vegetable. So poor thing. How did she grow up? You know, who was making the food for this young lady that was used to be a little girl who made that food for her, and did they not know. And so sometimes we could point a finger and be unkind, or we can say, Let me love you. Let me give you what your body needs, and let's slowly adapt it. Because if you're a carnivore and you all of a sudden eat. Vegetables, you're going to have abdominal pain because your gut bacteria is all built around carnivore diet, right? Because within 24 hours, your gut biome can change. Now, it doesn't mean that's going to impact your life. You have to stay on that same nutritional platform for a period of time to get used to it. So sometimes we have to do slow introductions to cooked vegetables, then we can go to raw vegetables. So when I deal with a lot of autoimmune patients that I see, we do the same thing. We have to slowly introduce things and see how they manage it, because the last thing you want to do is create more flare ups, because then they're going to go back to their gastroenterologist and they're going to change what other, more aggressive autoimmune injections they're going to get. So you got to so I worked a lot with autoimmune gi hepatology, rheumatology, you know, we did a lot in order to shift and gently adjust and make changes. Just because you can't eat it today doesn't mean you can't eat it tomorrow, or maybe it might be three months from now, but it's slow, micro changes. So some people are much more hyper allergic than others, so we have to make gentle adjustments.

Dr. Spencer Baron: 36:21

You know, we all are such creatures of habit. We tend to eat the same thing day after day. And do you have any comments about, you know, people that there was always that discussion that your your body develops a like a sensitivity to foods that you eat on a consistent basis, versus having more variety, like some, yeah, I mean, even even it was always said that you would feed your dog the same food every day of its life, and versus switching the foods around, which, I think Is we was had a veterinarian on our show talk about the benefits of changing the food, but people would say, the moment you change that food, they get diarrhea and things like that, so your body responds. So in essence, you're talking about slow changes. But what about those people that are that eat the same thing every day? How do you transition them again?

Dr. Adria Kiloze: 37:20

We just talk about the benefits. I mean, you know, we have macronutrients for a reason. Our brain needs carbohydrates, our brain needs proteins, our brain needs fat. And within each one of those categories, there is a variety that we should select from and try to vary it as we can. And then we need the minerals and elements which are separate from those areas, they may be within the foods we eat. And so we want to make sure we're getting that balance of macro and micronutrients that are very important to overall cognitive and physiologic health. You know, because a lot we talked about free radicals, but many of those free radicals that cause us harm, to reduce them so that they're water again or a less toxic agent in our body. We need the minerals and the elements, and we get a lot of those minerals and elements from salt, from taking in, you know, different herbs and spices from the earth, and so we need to make sure we're adding these varieties. And that's what's fun about the cooking classes. When I do cooking classes, because we we can talk about the power and diversity. I don't know how many people I've come over this people, when I was at the chiropractor today at Palmer, they said, well, where's your office? I said, it's my house. Well, don't you ever want a real office? And I'm like, no, because I have my garden in the back, and I have my kitchen in my house, and so I can, I can cook, and I can pull out of the refrigerator. People will be like, ooh, sheep goat yogurt. Ooh, sheep cheese. And I'm like, well, actually, sheep is more beneficial to your immune system than goat and cow. And cow is the most inflammatory to your immune system, and so you really want to stick to sheep and goat. So I'll pull out some sheep and goat cheeses and they'll eat them. They're like, they're not so bad. And the best is the sardines. Oh, I hate sardines. And I'm like, well, that's a power food, right there. I said, so let me make you some sardines. So then what I do is I'll take some sardines and I'll mix up some other vegetables, saute it on a dish, then we'll pour in some eggs, and then we'll make a frittata. And they don't even taste the sardines. They think sardines are like anchovies, and anchovies are incredibly salty and not very good, but sardines are kind of like tuna. If people like tuna, they don't mind sardines. And sardines are a power food because they have omega three fatty acids. And what's really cool, and I'm going to branch off into a minutia, because I think this is so cool, is the. Your omega three fatty acids are not just good because they thin the blood, right? So some people on blood thinners can't take them, but that allows for the oxygen because they get into the red blood cells to allow it to be more mobile. The it decreases inflammation because of the fact that it actually activates pro resolving mediators and pro resolving mediators. Harvard took a bunch of the pro resolving mediators that were made from Eph and actually gave them to people with advanced Crohn's and Ulcerative Colitis, decreasing the inflammation of their disease. It was crazy, but we get that too when we eat these foods. We don't have to take the new pharmaceutical that's going to come out or nutraceutical that's going to come out. We can just eat sardines and fish oils or add them to our nutritional platform, as opposed to paying expensive fish oils. Add your sardines periodically to your diet, and you can sprinkle it up into your, you know, into your salad. You could make sardine patties like you would do salmon patties. They might be thinner, and put some onions and garlic in there and saute that. But these are the kinds of things that we eat to enhance not only muscle performance, but enhance cognitive performance and decrease systemic inflammation. So Wow. What a bang for the buck, just like those super greens that we eat sometimes,

Dr. Spencer Baron: 41:34

gosh, I love I got a can of sardines and it's sitting in my refrigerator for the past six months. I'm gonna crack that baby open,

Dr. Adria Kiloze: 41:43

because if you're not used to eating sardines, just make sure you add some fun stuff to it, because you're gonna say, like, oh my gosh, I know she told me to eat this, but, but, but it's not bad. I'll eat a can of sardines on a regular basis, but I'm used to it. So if it's not something that you've done, let yourself warm up to it, just like we were talking about, you know, introducing it. And then then go to Costco and buy the sale of sardines. Man, my husband, goes and buys a whole collection of sardines. I can tell you one thing, Spencer, when I come visit you, I'm gonna stay with her, because she sounds like a better cook. You both should both come up and come do the garden. We'll do a show, a live show, out in the garden and do some cooking. Yeah, I would love that. And I'll bring my food for us. Guy, I'll bring cam. So if you ever go look on our podcasts with cam or Instagram, he posts mostly on Instagram, but we've done lives together, and he's fantastic. He's He's brilliant, and his team is brilliant, and they're just super fun people. I mean, it doesn't get into the nitty gritty of healing disease, per se, because he's really into the science of the plants. But how to build a food forest? He's a really neat, cool guy, food forest. Yeah, so we're building a forest just like the forest in, you know, out in nature, you know, you have plants that are little and plants that are big, that take in sun and eliminate sun, but the ground is covered. You got ground covering so you don't have to till the soil. This is what the large agricultural institutions are now looking at. Have you seen the movie kiss the ground or common ground? David Archuleta, I think was David. I may be getting the name wrong, but they are. It's a phenomenal two series on Amazon Prime. I would love to meet those guys one of these days. Maybe we'll get to meet those guys. What was the name of it again? The ground and common ground. And I would watch Common Ground first kiss. The ground is very detailed. It was their first documentary. But common ground is, is, is, I think, the first one you should watch. They do say that that Monsanto's Bayer bought glyphosate from Monsanto's, which is true, but then they said that Bayer actually was producing a lymphoma medication. And they said in the movie, isn't it weird how lymphoma is something they caused by glyphosate? But to clarify, the truth is that they were never approved because it didn't get through the rigorous steps that you have to go through for pharmaceutical approval. So they didn't get that medication approved. I mean, it's still till, still terrible that bear is making glyphosate when we know that it causes so much harm, but, but I think it's important people understand that that glyphosate is Roundup. I don't. Think people put the correlation together, so they still buy roundup and spray the roundup on their plants, and then they get exposed to that, and that increases their risk, you know, of Parkinson's disease and all those other possible neurologic diseases that you can get when you're exposed to it on a regular basis. And, you know, I don't know about you guys, if you heard the statistics, if you live near a golf course within one mile of a golf course, you got a two time higher risk getting Parkinson's disease, and as you move away from that golf course, the lower your risk gets. Now that's one neurologic disorder, and they tribute some of that to the vagus nerve that tracks from your gut to your brain right again, going back to the gut biome, and how it disrupts the neurologic problems. And we talked about earlier how your gut bacteria make your neurotransmitters like GABA and serotonin, and make dopamine, that neurotransmitter that makes us get up and go, and if you have two types of dopamine, right? You have the neurologic dopamine that's activated in the brain for motivation, but you have the systemic dopamine that regulates blood pressure, so it throws off blood pressure and renal function. And you know, so so much harm from these pesticides and Big Pharma, big agriculture feels like it's necessary, but when you watch kiss the ground and common ground, these are now regenerative farmers, or showing that if we till the soil, meaning we uproot it, we break up that mycelium, just like breaking up the neuro connection in our brain, right? You're breaking up that mycelium that after the worms and the bugs and all the nematodes actually digested all those nutrients, then it seeds the mycelium that then seeds the plants, right? And so if you break up that infrastructure, the soil isn't stable, so the soil can be blown off. And if it's blown off, what happened in the 1940s we had the Dust Bowl because they were into they were into tilling the soil. So now they're saying, rather than till it, let's just slowly change the crops over, do a cover crop, and then that cover crop, the roots are starting to grow, but not deep, deep. Then we start seeding the soil with smaller with large tractors. But instead of tilling and uprooting all the mycelium, you're just making holes and depositing the seeds, and you think the cover crop would actually cause the seeds not to be able to grow, but you actually it does allow for growth. And so you protect the soil from being blown away, but you also protect it from the heat, and you also retain the water, and that allows for the germination of the seed, and then the plants can grow more profoundly, and you're not spending money on pesticides and herbicides and fertilizers to grow those plants, because of that whole ecosystem that is the same as our own ecosystem. But we as humans and we as voters, we have to make sure that we understand this so that we're supporting these regenerative farmers. So I go out into the community. We're going to do more of this now that I'm not working three days a week outside this job, I'm dedicating and spending time with farmers that do regenerative farming and restaurants so that we can pull them together to stimulate a system. And then I want to give them a shield of life, seal my company, shield of life, so that they honor this practice. And then when people go eat at that restaurant, they can say, we buy from our local farmers, one supporting regenerative agriculture and pasteurized chicken farmers and farmers who grow beef, they allow their cows to naturally roam the land and rotate crops. Because when we put the when we use, when we use cows to stomp on the ground and lay their poop, that actually is another form of microbial deposition into the soil, those microbes further break down that top crop, you know, those top cover crops to help stimulate regeneration for the new seeds that will be planted soon after. So there's a system of agriculture that we did many generations back, but because we pushed our kids into schools, into colleges, we fought we lost trades. So. Some of these tradesmen that knew this way of farming were lost over time, and so we need to support a variety of things to help re establish mankind and earth and be good, you know, good servants of the earth that God gave us and the animals that God gave us and good servants of our own bodies.

Unknown: 50:24

Do you not love this woman? She's like,

Dr. Spencer Baron: 50:29

I don't know whether to call her. I don't know whether to call her Dr Cleo or farmer Andrea, but I will say this, there's no question she is following the footsteps of Dr Casey. Means who was selected by RFK to run that area of National Institute of Health. And I mean you, you are the, probably the closest we have gotten to someone that that talks and feels the way

Dr. Adria Kiloze: 51:00

you do. What's interesting somebody, one of my patients, brought Dr means his book to me, and I read it, and I said, this is one doctor that I can say she's on it. She's 100% on it. She she tests correctly, she drives collectors. She's got a heart of truth. She's not frightened. She tells the truth. I mean, God bless her, and hopefully they allow her to do a lot in in the position. If you know, I did, did she? Did she get that position?

Dr. Spencer Baron: 51:32

I thought she did. Okay. I don't hear a whole lot about maybe she's busy. Yeah, that's why. Yeah, might be why.

Dr. Adria Kiloze: 51:40

But, I mean, we can only pray that her voice is magnified, because it's this kind of work that people need, that are accurate. We need to bond with agriculture as physicians, because when our when we help tell our patients this is the way to live, then it has merit if we treat them honestly, fairly, and we love our patients. And just like you guys, I know you you learn to love the clients and the people that come to you because they become like your family and you only wish the best for them.

Dr. Spencer Baron: 52:12

Right. Quick question regarding, you know, we've talked about, you know, the global perspective of health and wellness. You know, mentally, nutritionally, physically, spiritually as well. Is there a particular experience you had with a patient that was one of those? You know, it was against all the odds, and it was one story that really impacted you. I mean, you probably got many of them, but maybe one in the beginning, or one most recent, so that some of our listeners and viewers can really relate to an experience.

Dr. Adria Kiloze: 52:48

Yeah. I mean, I've had a lot. I mean, we've had people whose cancers stabilized and went away. We've had people who've come off oxygen. We've had people coming out of scooters. We've had autoimmune diseases, psoriasis, completely go away. People that no longer have migraine headaches, people, I mean, I there are. There's so many stories and it you get, you mainly work

Dr. Spencer Baron: 53:14

with now. This is even more. This deserves even more of an accolade. Your experience is mostly with older generation versus some of the younger

Dr. Adria Kiloze: 53:24

generation, anyone 18 and above. But we do have now people coming to us with children with eating disorders and people young people with issues. I'm not a pediatrician, though, and I tell them for them to see me now, because I'm not, I'm acting as a coach instead of as a physician, because I won't prescribe medication. So at 57 I my family is in Italy. Well, we have Italy and England and Germany and but I want to be able to spend time, you know? And so if I were prescribing, I would have to have somebody to cover me. So honestly, my practice is more coaching now than prescribing, but I will tell people what pills, what I would recommend and how to get rid of pills, but they would have to work with their doctor. I also review labs, and I tell them what labs I would think we would need in order to get to change and to guide our practice of healing. And so with that, I let them know I'm not your pediatrician. I will give you knowledge and education. We spend time in the kitchen or in the garden. We spend time looking at the pathophysiology of disease, and we really look at where, where they feel, what their anxiety is, what their what's, what their nervousness is, or where, where they want to focus their attention, because that's why they're coming to me, right? So I want to make sure that we're solving the problem analytically that they want solved. And once you solve one problem, then they say, Well, what about this? What about this? And sometimes several things resolve at the same time. Yeah, and, you know, I see that, and then miraculous things happened. Like, I had a one of my clients who's lost a lot of weight, went to her eye doctor, and he's like, I don't know how you're improving your vision. I mean, this is your older and this is nuts, like, this is crazy, and she wasn't a diabetic, but her vision was getting better and better and better. That's microvascular disease that is improving vascular flow. That was my guys. Many of my guys were erectile function improvement. It's improving cognitive performance. You know, perform, athletic performance. We get athletes that come want athletic performance. You know, it's lot of cool stories, very humbling practice.

Dr. Spencer Baron: 55:48

All right, so now we're we've talked about our patients and others that can benefit from your knowledge, but it's time to learn more about Dr Andrea Cleos, Farmer Andrea. So we're going to enter our final stage of our conversation is our rapid fire questions. We have one through five. You obviously quick on your feet, and the sense of rapid fire means as brief of an answer as you can give, so we can move to the next one, but it's all about you. Are you ready for question number one? Go for it. All right, when the science gets loud and the world feels heavy, what single word do you whisper to yourself to keep you motivated and going?

Dr. Adria Kiloze: 56:33

Papa mi auto. Papa mi auto.

Dr. Spencer Baron: 56:41

Well, that helps. So the Italian, so the the Italian just came out of you, yeah, Father

Dr. Adria Kiloze: 56:50

in heaven, help me. I love it. Usually I get an answer,

Dr. Spencer Baron: 56:55

yes. Good question. Number two, what moment big or small recently reminded you that healing is still possible

Dr. Adria Kiloze: 57:10

when I see when I talk to patients, and they tell me I am down 25 pounds and I Have no abdominal pain or headaches.

Dr. Spencer Baron: 57:21

I love love is that the first time that through this whole conversation, she had to really dig deep and think about Love it. Love it. It's good question. Number three, if you had to pick one song that always plays in your head when you're about to step into a world of chaos, you know whether it's whether it's with patients at the VA or even in the garden or life. What song is it and maybe what dance move best describes

Dr. Adria Kiloze: 57:47

your mode? Well? So my one of my favorite songs, and I'm just thinking about the artist, because now, because I'm being asked, we are each other's angels. Is a great song. Is a great song that brings me lots of joy and happiness. But what other fast moving song that I would dance to this is great is, gosh, there's so many Jeremiah was a bullfrog Caroline. I mean, we could go on and on and on about dance moves. I love, yeah, so and everything, anything that's shag dancing. Love shag dancing. So Caroline's a great one of those fat bottom girls. Oh yeah, that's I want to sing to and dance to in the in the garden. Oh yeah, she mentioned that when she just did that move. Now we know how she got her nickname from her husband,

Dr. Spencer Baron: 58:50

sexy pants or the

Unknown: 58:52

or pumpkin or whatever.

Dr. Adria Kiloze: 58:54

The world in the garden, right?

Dr. Spencer Baron: 59:01

Oh my gosh. Oh, crazy. That is great. I don't know why. I just thought of the song, it's raining men, and that is,

Dr. Adria Kiloze: 59:18

sorry, Karen, we just exposed his other side. We have some new information about you. I think, yes, that and the Barbie movie.

Dr. Spencer Baron: 59:33

I might be the only male that cried at the Barbie movie. And my girlfriend looks at me. She goes, Are you crying? Shut up. Leave me alone. Yeah. Oh my god, so I just broke down the sweat. If you're younger, all right, hold on, if your younger self, well. Walked into a room right now, would she recognize who you've become, or would she ask What took you so long

Dr. Adria Kiloze: 1:00:10

that brings tears to my heart? I think she would. I think she would. I think my deepest desire was always to help people. Was to always love people and help them. And I think that's what I do.

Dr. Spencer Baron: 1:00:29

That's great. That's great. I almost don't even want to ask the last

Unknown: 1:00:33

question, but we gotta break out of that one. That was good. That was

Dr. Spencer Baron: 1:00:38

good. Last question. When one, when no one is watching, and life feels noisy, what's one small ritual that brings you, you know, back to yourself again, swimming. Really? How come?

Dr. Adria Kiloze: 1:00:54

I don't know, because I'm out of this world and I'm in the water and I'm underwater and there's nobody there, it's just me and God, and it's quiet.

Dr. Spencer Baron: 1:01:06

That is so good. Oh, you been a pleasure. I, I, I'm telling you, we're at the end of the show here, and it has been nothing but spectacular. Your your education is stellar in not only the sense of the medical world, but your ability to translate how you can shift your consciousness into a place of of wellness, you know. And what we stand for, Dr Terry and I, and why we put the show together, is health based on mental, nutritional and physical. And in your spiritual world. It's really powerful. So thank you so

Dr. Adria Kiloze: 1:01:43

much for being Oh, thank you guys. I've been honored to come and be with you. So it was a great opportunity, and good to meet you. Terry Viman, Lord Byron, we'll get together again. I feel like we have all these aliases now. It's good. Well, thank you for your time. Doc, what an honor. Lots of love to you guys.

Dr. Spencer Baron: 1:02:08

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