Diagnosed with Down Syndrome and Autism- So WHY is HE outperforming Expectations- Kyle Landi

Most people don’t fail because of their limitations…

They fail because of the limits placed on them.

In this episode of the Crackin’ Backs Podcast, we sit down with Kyle Landi and his mother Kimberly—a duo who are redefining what’s possible for individuals living with Down syndrome, autism, and developmental challenges.

Kyle was born into a world that immediately labeled him.

Low expectations.
Boundaries.
Limitations.

But Kimberly refused to accept that narrative.

She literally rewrote the playbook—challenging the system, asking better questions, and raising Kyle without the constraints society tried to impose.

The result?

 A competitive bodybuilder
 An athlete
 A man, and family, on a mission to change how the world sees disability

In This Episode, We Explore:

• Why society’s expectations—not biology—are often the biggest limitation
• The truth about Down syndrome, autism, and physical performance
• How strength training can improve muscle tone, longevity, and confidence
• The role of hormones, health optimization, and early intervention
• What parents, coaches, and clinicians are getting wrong about developmental disabilities
• How identity—not diagnosis—shapes long-term outcomes
• What it really takes to raise a child without limits in a world full of them

This isn’t just a conversation about disability.

It’s about human potential.

Why This Episode Matters

We’re living in a time where awareness is growing…
but expectations are still too low.

For individuals with Down syndrome and autism, the conversation is often focused on limitations—what they can’t do.

This episode flips that narrative.

It challenges:

• Medical assumptions
• Social stigmas
• And the quiet ceilings placed on people from day one

About Kyle Landi and his mom Kimberly

Kyle Landi is an athlete, bodybuilder, and advocate who is changing the conversation around Down syndrome, autism, and performance. Through strength training and discipline, he is proving that capability is not defined by diagnosis.

Kimberly Murphy, his mother, is the driving force behind that transformation—an advocate who challenged traditional thinking, pursued innovative health strategies, and refused to let her son be limited by outdated beliefs.

Together, they represent what happens when:
 You stop accepting labels
 You question the system
 And you build a life without limits

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 Join us as we talk to some of the greatest minds and discover some of the most incredible gems you can use to maintain a higher level of health. Crackin Backs Podcast

Transcript

Dr. Spencer Baron (00:01.288)
Most people don't struggle because of their limitations. They struggle because of their limits placed on them. Today's guest is rewriting that story in real time. He's not just a bodybuilder. He's a competitor, an athlete, a man on a mission to change what the world believes is possible for people living with Down syndrome. This isn't an inspiration. It's about redefining expectations. Kyle Landy, welcome to the show.

Kyle Landi (00:27.96)
Thank you. Thank you for having us.

Dr. Spencer Baron (00:33.416)
Very good. Listen, most people, you know, they see that diagnosis first. But when you look at yourself in the mirror, who do you actually see?

Kyle Landi (00:42.316)
My future self. His future self.

Dr. Spencer Baron (00:47.54)
And what does that future self look like?

Kyle Landi (00:50.478)
Kind of like on a trail of jawline. Strong with a jawline. Better looking myself, He's always competing with himself and his stepdad, yeah. No, not really. Yeah. Yeah. But he's always looking to... Sorry. He's always looking to improve himself. Yeah, boost your hang.

Dr. Spencer Baron (00:56.38)
Yeah?

Dr. Spencer Baron (01:07.112)
That's fantastic. So you kind of made it your mission to change. I'm sorry, say that again.

Dr. Spencer Baron (01:17.364)
That's a great way.

What inspired you to always want to improve? Because some people are just happy just as is, but you have a different way of being. Where did that come from? How do you feel about that?

Kyle Landi (01:33.006)
What inspires you to want to improve every day? I don't spend my show a lot, but I just want to work out.

He inspires himself a lot by like working out every day and seeing the growth and the change in himself. Yeah. And then I do like a five hour day on call yo, I show me him. He likes to see the change in himself and he wants to like keep going and seeing like how how great he can be. I think it makes you feel good. Yeah. Yeah, I. It is rare. You're right.

Dr. Spencer Baron (02:09.588)
Boy, that's a rare attribute in anybody. That's great. What were you gonna say? Yeah. So.

Kyle Landi (02:16.684)
It started young though, you know, like it's something you have to instill at a young age, right?

Dr. Spencer Baron (02:28.916)
Do you feel like you made it a mission to change what people think about Down syndrome or is it just your sheer motivation? Yeah?

Kyle Landi (02:33.742)
I feel like I did. No, I feel like I changed the ideas and limitations that surround it, yes, for sure. feel like even 26 years later, there's not enough change going on that there should be. And I feel like that should really, like...

Dr. Spencer Baron (02:46.996)
How did you?

Kyle Landi (02:56.83)
Our mission, all of us, is to try and change people's perception on the limitations, but not only, you know, not just Down syndrome, but autism, ADHD, you know, all of it, because I think there's so much potential, but I think oftentimes we're in the way of that potential.

Dr. Spencer Baron (03:19.572)
You know, the beauty of all that is that there are people with just, you know, regular emotional issues that they can't get over. But when there's something as lofty, you know, as a genetic thing to be able to overcome or even not even overcome, just have a different perception. How did you create that environment? When, how did you create that environment?

Kyle Landi (03:32.749)
Yeah.

Kyle Landi (03:41.391)
I think it started really when he was born and what surrounded that after he was born, the initial perception right away from doctors, nurses, and even the perception of like his being born, was like...

It was like a almost like a death sentence versus a, you know, like a congratulatory event. seemed more soreful instead of eventful. And, you know, when they would take me to go see him, it was pointing out what I guess they considered, you know, defects or whatever they call it, you know, like the hand with the crease, the neck.

the small ears, the slanted eyes, or whatever it is, instead of the beauty of the baby.

I found it kind of took away from the joy of it. we talked about, like, you know, they hand you a book, which I thought was completely false, because how does this book know about a child that is 24 months old? How are you going to tell me, you know, this is what every child is going to be like, or these are the issues that I'm going to have?

while he's growing up when you don't even know this child. He's 24 hours old and you're going to give me a whole book on what I'm going to have to overcome over the years. And I don't think anybody can say that about any child who's 24 hours old.

Dr. Spencer Baron (05:40.508)
let's refer to that book and the general population of people that what would you believe is the biggest lie about Down syndrome that people still believe?

Kyle Landi (05:50.391)
I think, unfortunately, the biggest lie is the fact that there's these limited perceptions on what they can and can't do. And I think...

that should just completely be imploded. I think they can do pretty much anything and everything. Yes, there could be, you know, like more structure and consistency and patience required in doing it, but I think there's a lot more ability than inability in kids with disabilities. And sorry, I should have said.

Dr. Spencer Baron (06:27.892)
You know, sorry, go ahead,

Kyle Landi (06:28.842)
And you know, it just takes consistency and movement and time and patience. But I do believe that everybody has the ability to get there. Obviously, there's different variations and levels to autism and Down syndrome and so forth. But I think sometimes as people and parents, we are hindering them more than they are.

by our lack of limitation and perception of what they can and can't do. I think we to stop getting in their way.

Dr. Spencer Baron (07:06.952)
I absolutely agree. As a matter of fact, there's been research that is, I've always found it fascinating where they've taken kids that had very low IQs, low scores in school and they put them in a school and they lied to the teachers about these are high performing kids, know, have great expectations for them. And suddenly these kids, right? Yeah. So it is an unfortunate label that we place.

Kyle Landi (07:19.758)
Yeah. Yeah. I've seen that. Yeah. Yeah.

Kyle Landi (07:29.332)
If we're given that right from the get-go, yeah, if we're told that right from the get-go, our expectations are low. So I took that book and I was telling Kyle about it. I threw it in the garbage because it was wrong. it wrong. Yeah. Yeah.

Dr Terry (07:44.583)
you

Dr. Spencer Baron (07:49.128)
That's great.

Kyle Landi (07:50.351)
So I took that book, I threw it the garbage. To be honest, with the first two days, it got me into a bit of depression. I was like thinking, okay, what does this mean for my life? You know what? And I threw it the garbage and I tell Kyle about it, how I threw it in the garbage and I said, I'm just gonna take this one day at a time, one step at a time and I'm gonna do it my way.

Dr. Spencer Baron (08:18.905)
you do that? I mean for those parents out there that have kids that have ADHD or you know even those conditions that have been deemed by the medical profession as here take some medication, how did you determine that you're going to change the tide of what people think?

Kyle Landi (08:27.47)
Yeah.

Kyle Landi (08:37.528)
think the foundation applies to every child, whether they're a normal child with, mean, are we, none of us are really normal, but the, whether we're autistic, ADHD, whatever you want to call ourselves, but we all have issues of some sort. But I think the foundation applies to everyone and it's a matter of structure. I think it's movement.

Dr Terry (08:50.109)
No.

Dr. Spencer Baron (08:50.439)
Right.

Kyle Landi (09:04.998)
And by movement, I mean like some sort of physical activity. And I think it's repetition. And I think all of that is a recipe for success. by continually showing, like the thing with structure and routine is if you've set this routine in place every day,

they start to fall onto it.

and it becomes their life, you know? Like for example, Kyle at a very young age started working out with me. seven. You were seven, yeah. was seven. did work out with my beautiful mother. I called her child, like mother and son. So he would just start mimicking me and the foundation became, this was our thing. Every day we would start movement. Yeah. And what I noticed with

Dr. Spencer Baron (09:56.915)
So.

Dr Terry (09:57.12)
That's awesome.

Kyle Landi (10:05.082)
movement and is that I mean it started even earlier than that but like for example the movement with with regards to weightlifting is it starts with little routines every morning and You know, they they used to say actually as a doctor you would know this kids with Down's system. They have hypertonia So they're they are very lax their muscles But what we were doing without even knowing it is building up the muscle

so that his hypertonia was stronger. So by the time he got older, his ligaments were strong. And they used to say, he can't do this, he can't do that, you know, because of his hypertonia. But little did we know, we were actually doing something really good for him because he built up.

those muscles and, and yeah. So it actually worked out really well, but that consistency of working out every day became something he looked forward to. And along with that came multiple things. His sleep was better, behavioral issues, if he had anywhere so much better because they're getting the activity they need. And then when at the age of 12, when he was actually able to join a gym, he now became,

Dr. Spencer Baron (10:57.693)
But yeah.

Kyle Landi (11:24.032)
had a purpose and a social environment. Yeah, and I got back home.

and I do cardio. So then he'd come back home and go do cardio. cardio for my five hour shift. So then he would go down and do some cardio because it felt good, right? Yeah. Your endorphins and everything is feeling good. He feels good. He's now got confidence. He's got more verbal skills because he's communicating with people. He's got a purpose every day to get up and go to work. He just feels good and strong and healthier. So it was a

domino effect of this consistency. And by doing that, I noticed not only that, not only is his sleep better, his behavior is better, his immune system is better, he's in good shape, he's gained confidence, his social skills increased.

He was trying to lose fat. His nutrition. Then he started asking questions about, is this healthy for me? Is this good for me? And so he started asking questions about nutrition. So then it became about like, what made you feel good? Yeah. then he wanted to be a bodybuilder. Yeah. Actually that happened in 2022.

I just want to be better than this. I want to do what I just want to get my experience down and I don't want it. He doesn't like having Down syndrome. So he feels the more he works out, the more he's kind of... I work out a lot. I want it gone. want to walk straight. I don't want it. I want to be...

Dr. Spencer Baron (12:56.755)
It's awesome.

Kyle Landi (13:10.486)
That's wrong. It's really how it goes ahead. So he feels like he's kind of helping get rid of his disability by working hard and being strong. Yeah. Through cardio, through race.

So yeah, I mean, that's basically what I noticed early on. And even prior to that, like he was swimming in the deep end at age of three. It was a lot of, yeah, yeah. It was a lot of like.

I never, nothing against the special needs classes and special and piano, it's just always put them in mainstream everything. Because I feel like if you're gonna level up and watch other people level up, if he sees other people do it, he's got no limitations up here.

So his limitations on doing things was very minimal because he would see somebody do it and then mimic them. Like he did me in the basement, like lifting weights. and he was also in karate for several years. I in karate for about 1910.

And I got my own grip. I just went to see him play, but I got back. He came back to karate in 18-19. And I got my black belt. He got his black belt at 24. Yeah, I got my new one and I tried to get a master. He's a master. Yeah, black belt. So yeah, and that was like a mainstream karate class.

Dr Terry (14:43.739)
my god, this sick.

Dr Terry (14:51.941)
Ugh, that's sick.

Kyle Landi (14:54.442)
But I always thought to myself, where are these other kids with disabilities? Why are they not at the gym? Why are they not at these karate classes? He was at dance class, he was at gymnastics. And I always wondered why he was the only one with either DS or autism or, know, like, I just wondered where all these other, these kids were because...

I know for him it made such a huge difference in his ability to communicate, master things as well by being involved in these types of activities.

Dr. Spencer Baron (15:36.006)
You know what, Kyle, you talk about exercise and training and all this, and you want to get rid of these disabilities. But what do you think are the disabilities? Because you're already much more advanced than most, so what is it that you still feel you want to move forward with?

Kyle Landi (15:51.107)
That's a good question. That is a good question. I just want to know. I think you just don't like the label, right? No.

I do like being down, so I do. But I just want to go on because I just want to make it easy for my first mother. It's easy for me. It doesn't bother. I think he thinks like for some reason it's hard on me, but honestly out of my three kids, he's the easiest. Yeah. That's the funny thing. Yeah. This guy like I'll go out for the day. Like if I'm off at work, I'll come home. The vacuuming is done. The house is spotless. Like he's like

Dr. Spencer Baron (16:21.212)
Yeah.

Kyle Landi (16:31.568)
He's so organized. Yeah. I hope that a lot. That was my first show. But yeah, it's all about it. Yeah.

Dr Terry (16:46.227)
Yeah, I.

I guess I gotta step in. You mentioned Special Olympics and I used to work the Special Olympics and I was always gravitate to the Downs kids because they were the most loving and they had they just wore their hearts on their sleeve and that was always great. I just gravitate that but they're also great huggers. But your son would terrify me because you know he's not only jacked but he's also a black belt. So I'm like I would like I'd see him coming

Kyle Landi (17:01.518)
Their energy too, right? Yeah. Yeah.

Dr Terry (17:18.113)
I would run because he would crush me. I have to ask, the Downs kids, even back with my training, they didn't have the muscle. They didn't have the muscle core. You talked about the hypertrophic muscle groups and all that. And I think that's what people are just ingrained in, that that comes with the condition. And nobody asks questions. Nobody pushes the questions. What do you think are what people are still getting wrong?

Kyle Landi (17:35.778)
Yeah. Yeah.

Dr Terry (17:48.073)
not only about the body, but the mind and what they can do when it comes to muscle strength and discipline.

Kyle Landi (17:52.835)
think there's so much that we're missing and a lot of it has to do with like why aren't we asking more questions? Why are we not asking the right questions maybe when it comes to Down syndrome? Because I think it's just the books are really antiquated.

Dr Terry (18:03.603)
Yeah.

Kyle Landi (18:12.846)
I think there's a lot more that needs to be. I mean, I just finished a book called Strong for Life, the blueprint for strength and longevity because, I mean, he's only 26, but my version of what I believe.

so far strong for life, the blueprint for strength and longevity. It's for people with Down syndrome, autism, ADHD, and what I believe currently is worked for us and what I feel is successful because right now, although the lifespan is longer than it used to be, it's still too short. And I think a lot of that again has to do with

our inability to see past what we're told is what we should be doing. I think there's too much sedimentary with these kids like in front of tablets, not eating properly, not being more physically active.

I think there's also an issue, especially for men with Down syndrome. I don't know if you know that Kyle is the first in the world on hormone therapy replacement. There's nobody out there on TRT with DS and Kyle's the first in the world. And that came up when I went to go see a hormone doctor, cause I'm in my fifties and I said, if Kyle's levels are 200.

Dr. Spencer Baron (19:27.09)
Yes.

Kyle Landi (19:44.395)
and he's a young male, why would he not be on TRT? Because everything I've read about dementia and Alzheimer's, which starts with young men who have DS at the age of 50 to 60, 80 % die from that. And that has a lot to do with the lack of testosterone in their body. So if we can stop

Dr. Spencer Baron (20:14.162)
Yep, I was gonna ask you about that. Yeah, I was gonna ask you about.

Kyle Landi (20:14.7)
Yeah. So.

Dr. Spencer Baron (20:19.344)
the blood tests and identifying any kind of deficiencies that might also be part of it. Because nowadays the whole nutrition game has changed. I mean, when I started practicing 40 years ago, the regular doctor would say, yeah, if you eat good meals, you don't need vitamins. go, what, really? No, it's changed dramatically.

Kyle Landi (20:19.447)
you

Kyle Landi (20:28.782)
Yeah. Yes.

Kyle Landi (20:39.372)
Right? not anymore.

dramatically.

Dr. Spencer Baron (20:47.248)
I think I interrupted. I want to hear more about your thoughts about this.

Kyle Landi (20:47.276)
Yeah. So I asked him, said, why wouldn't, you know, Kyle, for example, be on TRT? If my, if my husband's on TRT, because he's in the 400s, Kyle's in the 200s, which is very common for men with downs to have very low testosterone is a very common thing. And it's typical as to why they develop Alzheimer's early on in life, because it's unfortunate. So it's also why their energy might be more slacked, their bone

density is very frail. He's already broken his hip at the age of 10 by hopping a fence. And so that already goes to show you how frail their bones are because lack of testosterone. They're, you know, they're cognitively

Dr. Spencer Baron (21:32.562)
Yeah, yeah.

Kyle Landi (21:36.695)
testosterone helps with that as well, any brain fog and so forth. So heart health, all of that, sleep, muscle regulation. So we started him and I said to the doctor, why would he not be on TRT? And he said, there's absolutely no reason why he shouldn't be. In fact, I think the problem is nobody's asking that question.

Dr. Spencer Baron (22:03.618)
man. You know it's funny, you know how...

how dramatically the concepts have changed or how ridiculously most doctors are stuck in the past. I mean, even I've even had a friend of mine from high school that she had diet, she was juvenile diabetes and was told by her mom who was very much involved in the Diabetes Foundation that she will not be able to have children. The mom passed away. She's got five girls, five daughters.

Kyle Landi (22:14.595)
Yeah.

Kyle Landi (22:31.022)
Wow.

Dr. Spencer Baron (22:38.367)
So, you the only pain that she harbors is not being able to show her mom that she was able to get pregnant, despite what the medical profession believed about diabetes back then as antiquated as it. I mean, look at women's health. It's now getting this crazy debut after being neglected for so long. So imagine what...

Kyle Landi (22:47.192)
That's so crazy,

Yeah. Exactly. Down syndrome is like down even lower than women's health. Yeah.

Dr. Spencer Baron (23:01.913)
Yes. So I think you are doing something remarkable, you and Kyle, for DS patients all around the world. You can completely change this image.

Kyle Landi (23:08.94)
Yeah.

Kyle Landi (23:14.52)
I agree and I'm trying to get that out there because if we can imagine, I don't know if you guys are on TRT, but you can imagine what it feels like to be low testosterone or for me HRT and then have it back. It's like a game changer. And why wouldn't you want to feel your best all the time?

And I will tell you the change has been significant. I am documenting with the doctor, doing DEXA scans, documenting cognitive charts, documenting. mean, he's actually able to keep on muscle mass, which is nice. It's been you can imagine how difficult it was for him prior to and he only takes 80 milligrams a week. It's a very low dose, but it's enough to make a change. He wakes up alert now.

not groggy. He wakes up on his own, like easily, cognitively. He has full-on conversations. Before he was verbal, but not extremely verbal. He's definitely, his conversations are like blow people away. Now they're like, who is this kid? We've done like cognitive clock charts. I mean, the difference is night and day. Night and day. Yeah.

Dr Terry (24:34.364)
Ugh.

Kyle Landi (24:35.182)
I'm happier.

Dr Terry (24:36.943)
Hey Kyle, want to ask you, beyond the training and the fame, because you're getting quite a bit of traction in social media, which is fantastic, I'm seeing the people you're training with and they're gnarly. Not only Schwarzenegger, but those guys you just train with and you're lifting stuff. They're amazing. Beyond the training, the competitions and all that, what do you love most about training?

Kyle Landi (24:52.864)
I'm a gym.

Kyle Landi (25:01.966)
Actually, I love swimming. I like when I got anything on that machine. It's kind of awesome and I like to work out with him. He likes to work out with those Yeah, something like that.

That way I can make it to the doctor's and work on it. And work out with him. I can go on a mission and now like that I've done work out and then I have my gluten free brownie. Yeah, work too hard.

Dr. Spencer Baron (25:38.226)
You

Kyle Landi (25:46.991)
Training is his life. Like he loves interacting, like going to the events, right? Yeah. He loves going to like the Arnold Sports events. The Olympia. I just met Arnold Schwarzenegger probably on 22, 23. And Arnold Schwarzenegger is the best. He's the best, yeah.

I'm make you a free. He's Mr. Freeze, yeah. And he teaches you like some workouts. Yeah, workout too. And back too. He's so nice. He's so nice. He's always... And the last time we saw him there two weeks ago, Arnold said, you asked him, you said, Arnold, can I compete at the Arnold Classic? And he goes, and what did he say? He said, you know what?

We're going to make a division just for you, Kyle. Yeah. Yeah. So he that he didn't say that for real. Yeah. He said, we're going to, we're, and I've contacted, so I'm hoping that Bobby's 2027. Yeah. We'll how it goes. that, mean, we're hoping, um, yeah, he said, I, we're gonna, we're going to put together a division just for you. So, uh, so people with disabilities can compete at the Arnold's.

Dr Terry (26:42.128)
my god.

Kyle Landi (27:06.924)
Yeah, this would be pretty incredible.

Dr Terry (27:10.045)
You just mentioned the one thing I pick up from a lay person watching your social media feeds and your reels. I don't see a kid with disability and I see an athlete and they don't treat you like a kid with disability. You're another weightlifter and they treat you the same. And I remember that little snippet you put in about the instructions of you don't whine, you don't complain, you do the lifts, you do all that. And he was talking to the

Kyle Landi (27:21.922)
Yeah.

Dr Terry (27:39.922)
group not to Kyle he was talking to the group and Kyle was part of the group and I think that's was so impressive for me to watch this interaction in the gym you're just another athlete in the gym and I was wondering if that how how that made you feel to be the one place where you're you don't have a disability you're just one of the guys or one of the gals who is with

Kyle Landi (27:43.063)
I am a dog too.

Kyle Landi (27:57.551)
Yeah. How does it make you feel when you're at the gym and you don't have a disability? You're just one of the guys. I just go get a guy. do. I just like, you know, keep being kind.

Feel like one of the guys. Yeah, well a guy. Yeah Yeah, he just he doesn't think he has a disability when he's working out with one of the guys at all Yeah, and and we went to Diamond Gym I mean we were very specific about when we before we went there and said, you know Because we know how they train. I mean, they've got the rules. There's no water. No, have to wear a hoodie

Yeah. can't close your eyes. You can't sit down. I mean, there's these rules and we said, do not treat Kyle any differently than you would anybody else walking into your gym. We want him treat, you know, exactly the same. And how did you find it? Kind of hard.

I called and I owned it then. He owned it. He said, I worked hard. I owned it. I mean, it wasn't, it wasn't really any different than what you normally do, though, right? Except running the hill. could anything that I had on my roof was plenty and I'd go back to the hotel room and I had a burger. Yeah, he had a burger when he got back to the hotel. I mean, you probably didn't see, but we were there three hours, 7 p.m. till 10 p.m.

Dr. Spencer Baron (29:08.302)
Oh-ho.

Kyle Landi (29:22.06)
They worked like they worked their ass off. They were working hard. and Unc, he was so darn sweet. We get there and he was speechless. He goes, of all the people have always who come through our door, you are the one person I wanted to meet the most. Like he was I'm starstruck. Like I'm just so excited to meet you, Kyle. He was incredible. Yeah. And I think Kyle, I got a call from the guy.

All built in gym. Everybody was nice. And anything like that. And I was full called. I owned it.

Goofy Brown and Ethel Carlson. It was good. It was good. It was such a great... And I do think his episode was probably one of the most watched and favored. Yeah. So it was great that people really loved watching him and seeing him thrive there. It's great episode.

Dr Terry (30:24.061)
Well, I'll be honest with you, when I watched that, I had just done maybe a nine, 10 hour day at work and I was so tired, but I walked into my gym and I did like half an hour, 45 minutes because I'm like, all right, if this guy can do with these guys.

Dr. Spencer Baron (30:39.899)
Right on. Yeah.

Dr Terry (30:42.115)
Nobody has any excuses, none. And I was so, you can ask Spencer, I've been so excited about this week because I'm like, wanna see what makes this guy tick because it's not a disability. It's an inner strength that is so powerful.

Kyle Landi (30:43.213)
Right.

Kyle Landi (30:56.6)
Well, it's an inner mental strength, yeah. And I'll tell you, it starts way back when he was younger. His idea of like a reward back in the day was picking up, getting men's magazines that showed you how to do fitness, because we didn't have the phones back then.

And he would pull out the centerfold and mimic what the pictures were doing. Like at a very, very young age, he would like paste it on our basement wall. And he would see like these pictures of, of these guys. I have a copy here. Let me see it, And he would, kept one of them and what he would do is just, Yeah. He would, this is 2013 that we would have.

And that's how he would do his exercises in our basement. was before the... How? The one who did the renovation? Yeah, was before the... the earphones. Yeah, before the phones and all of that. And he would learn how to do his squats, barbells, chin-ups and all that through there. So he...

Dr. Spencer Baron (31:49.689)
That's awesome. That's good.

Dr. Spencer Baron (32:07.344)
Yeah.

Kyle Landi (32:14.286)
That was his outlet back then. It was mental, I would say, right? For you two, like, yeah. And then all the guys that we were in the base, like in the magazines with, I pulled it up recently and he's worked out with, he's worked out with almost all of them, right? Yeah, I got we got Shamp.

A Dio champ, Chris Bumstead, Derrick Lansford's in there. Arnold Schwarzenegger was in there. I'd be 14. So all those guys, so I pulled out the magazine. I'm like, somehow you've manifested like all of this to happen. So I think a lot of it is your own limitations, right? That you perceive in your mind.

Dr. Spencer Baron (32:45.755)
Really?

Dr. Spencer Baron (32:58.394)
Yeah.

Kyle Landi (33:05.486)
And he has none. Like this guy's always told me he's gonna have a lineup of people like wanting your autograph and getting pictures with. He would tell me before I could come in the kitchen, do you want my autograph? When you were little. Yeah.

Dr. Spencer Baron (33:16.625)
Ugh.

Dr Terry (33:26.343)
That's awesome.

Kyle Landi (33:26.804)
Yeah, so I think he's a really great manifester. Yeah, he thinks he's a billionaire playboy already. Yeah, like Bruce Wayne, like Batman.

Dr. Spencer Baron (33:29.989)
That is the best part right there.

That is so good.

Dr Terry (33:34.729)
Totally. Totally.

Dr. Spencer Baron (33:39.845)
Yeah, there you go. Hey Kyle, let me ask you. Now do you train in a gym or at home or both? How does that work for you?

Kyle Landi (33:48.046)
But I will go to him and I will go home. I will call him and I will call him out straight off the shelf. She is seven.

We work out at a really good bodybuilding gym here in Toronto. So we definitely, we're there probably five, six days a week. And then he works out in the, like doing our cardio. We have a little gym in the basement. He works out in the cardio room. Yeah.

Dr. Spencer Baron (34:00.897)
And when you go because.

Dr. Spencer Baron (34:20.857)
So Kyle, what does it feel like when you walk in the gym and you're already probably a celebrity and you're like bumping fists and high fiving and everybody's yelling out to you? I mean, how does that make you feel?

Kyle Landi (34:34.606)
I love going to the gym and I do abs, cardio, How does it feel when people come up to you asking for your picture when you're at the gym? None. None? I'm to say. You just had that yesterday. How does it make you feel when people ask you for pictures and stuff?

Dr. Spencer Baron (34:54.447)
Hahaha!

Kyle Landi (34:59.276)
Happy. Happy. Yeah, I'm happy. I work out. I work out my shift. I gotta love him. Good.

I

Dr Terry (35:12.137)
Does he put guidelines on when people can talk to him? Like if he's working out, is he pretty focused?

Kyle Landi (35:16.034)
Yeah, he's very focused when he's working out. doesn't, he's more like, you know, talk to me after my, my workout for sure. Yeah. Cause when, well, cause Kyle is autistic as well. And he's like, when I, when he's in the groove, like don't bug him. Yeah. So, he's pretty good. But when we're at events.

Dr. Spencer Baron (35:32.461)
Hell yeah. Unless they're asking. Unless they're asking for an autograph, right?

Dr Terry (35:41.23)
Kyle, I-

I think he is the most labeled non disability guy I think I've met in decades. He has more labels of quote disabilities and this short time and what I've seen he has so many less disabilities than most people I've met with that have no labels. kudos to you mom and dad for what you guys have done so far in this conversation. I'm sorry for interrupting this, but I'm like you just said autistic and downs and

Dr. Spencer Baron (35:49.36)
Yeah.

Dr Terry (36:12.417)
And I watch how he handles himself as a man on videos and shows and he's more of a man than most people I've ever met. So kudos for you guys. Sorry for interrupting but...

Kyle Landi (36:23.598)
Thank Thank you. I appreciate that. he, mean, it's like I said, the limitations, we've never put any on him. And I think he doesn't put any on himself either. And I think that's a part of it is definitely I've never been a coddler. I know like early on, I was probably looked at by, you know, other moms and stuff differently because I didn't rush over or I didn't do this or I didn't do that. I did get a

Dr. Spencer Baron (36:26.948)
Yeah, yeah, it's all good.

Kyle Landi (36:53.582)
lot of dirty looks for sure when he was younger. But I didn't care. I really didn't care. I was very much, he's good, he can do it himself, he's got this. And if he didn't, he'll try again.

I just did not care what other people thought. I was very much not coddling at all, not happening. You're going to do it yourself and you're going to keep doing it until you can do it. And I do believe that helps because

I think that is also why I stepped away from some different associations. I found it way too coddling, way too rushing to do it for them. And I think that is the worst thing you can do. I think it's really getting them to master it themselves. And not only that, it creates such confidence in themselves to be able to do it. And like I said, every person is different, but I think...

There's certain levels for sure in different people with Down syndrome or autism and so forth, but there has to be some sort of like push to try and get them to do things themselves. And again, some may take longer, it's consistency, but I think overall, I think they just are so proud of themselves when they can accomplish things themselves. And you know, it started young, like making his bed, doing his own laundry, making his breakfast, his smoothies or whatever.

You know, all the things, but doing it all by himself and not me there to do it for them. Yeah. I always make myself milkshake. Yeah. I like to be protein. Yeah. So that's how I my stomach.

Dr. Spencer Baron (38:49.486)
Well, I'll tell you, I see a lot of parents and their kids and the parents are enablers to their relatively fully functioning children and they are emotionally disabled. It's really kind of interesting how you've turned the tides on this whole perspective. And I think that is extremely important.

Kyle Landi (39:04.322)
Yeah.

Dr. Spencer Baron (39:13.71)
for parents of today, because parents operate out of guilt for the most part. And they become enablers and their kids become disabled. So.

Kyle Landi (39:15.63)
Yeah.

Kyle Landi (39:22.382)
Well, we're the Gen Xers, the opposite. We're the latchkey kids, you know? And I think our parents not being there and us having to figure it out was honestly probably the best thing that could have happened. Because we're at strength.

Dr. Spencer Baron (39:27.364)
opposite.

Yeah. Yeah.

Dr. Spencer Baron (39:38.96)
That's right. So, so true. Hey, for Kyle, I want to ask you, I want to ask Kyle about, you've done athletic, you know, other athletic bodybuilding is one piece, you know, you've done other athletic events too. What, what are those other experiences and what are they like?

Kyle Landi (39:55.455)
Actually, I can't say. I got big bowels that can change me a lot. It can change you a lot,

Kyle Landi (40:06.52)
Pac, you you love it. No, but he's asking like what sports did you like? You did karate, gymnastics, dance, bodybuilding. Actually, I like bowling a lot. you also did basketball too. Yeah, I basketball. But bodybuilding's your favorite? Basketball, and playing Pac, you know, and more. What's your favorite? My favorite one is bowling. Being a bodybuilder.

Yeah. Yeah. He likes being famous. Yeah. Yeah.

Dr Terry (40:41.759)
you

You

Dr. Spencer Baron (40:46.394)
You're gonna get a lot of people asking for your autograph after this. just saying, all right. So if your mission is to help people with Down syndrome live longer and better lives, mean, what are the most important things people should be doing today? What could they do to make a difference?

Kyle Landi (40:46.606)
Yeah, I love you. He likes that.

Dr Terry (40:49.797)
Hahaha!

Kyle Landi (40:57.142)
Okay.

Kyle Landi (41:04.13)
Like I said, I started at a very young age movement and be consistent with the routine. Consistency, I mean, I remember being in, Kyle came six weeks early, which is very typical of people with DS. They do tend to come early and I'm not sure why that is, but he was very small and he had open heart surgery at nine months old. And...

Nobody wanted that eye. And I remember being in this room with a lot of other moms who had preemies. It was like a preemie group. And she starts telling me this story about, my, I think it was her sister-in-law or somebody has a child with DS.

Dr Terry (41:33.951)
you

Kyle Landi (41:47.981)
the behavioral issues that they're having and this kids like two or three and in the middle of the night is turning the lights on and off and this is going on and all these behavioral issues and they're thinking, my God, is this what I'm in for?

Like, this what I, I was like, holy, like, why are you telling me this lady? And I remember thinking, is this a thing? Like, what, what is that about? so that kind of scared me a bit. I, I just want to go out there and say, it's not that scary. Honestly. It's such a privilege.

to have a child with Down syndrome. The privilege is constant love and energy and affection and like the energy, the honesty, love, it's constant, it's presence all the time, they're present and their honesty is so lovely and it really is a privilege and it's nothing to be scared

Like any child, no matter what the situation, every child does better with consistency, movement, routine.

And I think all of those things are a huge part of why I believe he's very successful at what he does. I mean, Kyle, he he he works for Young LA. He works for Wolfpack Transcend. He works at an Italian restaurant. He does events. He does bodybuilding shows like he has multiple jobs. He he has limitless ability, but structure matters. And

Kyle Landi (43:33.809)
I started very early on with the structures. Sleep is very important. It's crucial. Sleep.

Same time every day, same time every day. Go to bed at the same time, wake up at the same time. Routine matters. To him, going to the gym is pretty much an everyday thing. We go to the gym, we work out our body. You know, those are really important things. And, you know, just and even going for a walk in the afternoon, it's about movement, but it's nutrition too, proper nutrition. And it's the consistency and all of that that I think

really has had a huge effect on Kyle and his ability to accomplish whatever he wants. I mean, don't we all feel better when we have all that? Yeah. I'm going to your chiropractor. Yeah. Yeah.

Dr. Spencer Baron (44:24.631)
I agree and...

Dr Terry (44:28.183)
Hey. Oh, it's everything. No. So I have, and we'll get to it in a minute. have a patient. Oh, that's awesome.

Dr. Spencer Baron (44:31.471)
Routine is everything, yeah. Sorry, go ahead, Terry.

Kyle Landi (44:32.386)
Rootsy News.

Kyle Landi (44:37.954)
Actually, he started, he saw a chiropractor as a baby. Yeah. And to be honest, they were a little worried because downs are a little different around the neck, right? So it was a very gentle process, but I'm sure it's different now, but yeah, it's, but yeah, he started going as a baby. Yeah.

Dr. Spencer Baron (44:45.135)
Peace.

Dr Terry (44:50.067)
Right.

Dr. Spencer Baron (44:50.125)
Yeah, yeah.

Dr Terry (44:55.199)
That's amazing. That's amazing. I want to have some fun because one thing about a lot of kids, every kid has this mischief, right? Especially when they're young. And you mentioned about the lights are not on all that. What were some of the stubborn mischief things that Kyle used to do when he was young?

Dr. Spencer Baron (44:58.563)
I love it.

Kyle Landi (45:16.706)
Actually, don't know of any like honestly, he's like a dream child. He's so clean Yeah, I couldn't move all time. He like his his room is he folds things like I can't even believe like his clothing after laundry is folding Yeah, yeah, I didn't wash me today and I just want to anything done. He's very much get it done. Yeah, it done kind of guy. I don't think

Dr. Spencer Baron (45:22.573)
Ha ha.

Dr. Spencer Baron (45:27.94)
Nice.

Kyle Landi (45:47.438)
Yeah. I don't think, did you do anything?

Dr Terry (45:47.539)
Hey Lance, you listening to any of this stuff?

Kyle Landi (45:54.847)
I don't know. I don't think so. No, I like my mom a lot. do. And he does meditation. So he'll go up to his room and meditate. Yeah, I'm eating all the time. I like my mind calm. He his mind calm.

my speech like so practice on a speech yeah so he can entertain himself um and then he'll go take the dogs for a walk or he'll go make a smoothie or yeah yeah clean his room do his laundry like every like every other person out there actually i get back walk dog i make myself a smoothie have a nice snack and then you will yeah we'll do we'll do filming yeah in my room and i didn't

Dr Terry (46:19.24)
What?

Kyle Landi (46:43.126)
I'll have my phone checked in my room. In your room, yeah.

Dr Terry (46:49.503)
So what's your favorite exercise in the gym?

Kyle Landi (46:52.398)
I'm to shave my back, cardio abs and Back cardio abs and legs? Yeah. Okay. Back cardio abs and legs. Yeah. I like leg a lot, I just won't make my legs shoulder. Stronger. Yeah. So he competes May 3rd. So he's in prep right now.

I almost done my show. I got to show one show that I'm done. I think I'm done with my Balling on my... ...pony shake. I don't know how it go.

Dr Terry (47:41.352)
I, you, come on Spencer, you gotta jump in. Spencer used to compete at bodybuilding, you know, this, you gotta jump in on this. This is cool.

Dr. Spencer Baron (47:47.439)
you

Kyle Landi (47:49.431)
I don't know if you saw yesterday, but we just posted his, he was posing with, Carl. His name is Carl. He's fantastic posing coach and he looks pretty good. He's not shredded yet, but he's looking good. It's looking really good with his posing. Yeah. So give us your advice there, Spencer.

Dr. Spencer Baron (47:50.874)
I think the biggest thing.

Dr. Spencer Baron (48:11.791)
No, no, no, I was just gonna say, I think the main thing, the motivation for Kyle is just signing autographs after you win. Right?

Kyle Landi (48:19.118)
I think it is. Yeah,

Dr. Spencer Baron (48:26.519)
I, really, everything that you've talked about here has been fascinating. I I actually almost question if he really has any disabilities and is it just something that people labeled, you know, because you are much more capable than most. But I really believe that it's your guidance and routine. Routine is everything for anybody. Yeah.

Kyle Landi (48:45.678)
Routinous everything. Yeah. And I think that gets overlooked a lot. And I think, unfortunately, they call it what it is at the 5%, the 5 %ers that actually go to the gym most of the time. And I really, really go back to that. It is...

Dr. Spencer Baron (49:01.347)
Yeah.

Kyle Landi (49:04.426)
everything I think. I think weight training is so essential, especially as we get older. I think it's everything because I think what comes from weight training is not only like, I mean, is it hard? No, I enjoy it. Maybe it is for some people, but doing hard things does something mentally for you. And it sets the day off, you know, when you can do hard things. And I think when you are, yeah, I've always been that way.

Dr. Spencer Baron (49:08.196)
Yeah.

Dr. Spencer Baron (49:31.843)
Have you always been that way?

Kyle Landi (49:34.489)
Him? Always.

Dr. Spencer Baron (49:38.007)
No, for you to teach him, have you been that way growing up?

Kyle Landi (49:42.479)
So I was on my own at 17. I was still in high school when my mom left to marry her third husband and said, you're on your own. So I was like mentally, yes, always like, okay.

Dr. Spencer Baron (49:57.966)
Yeah.

Kyle Landi (49:59.021)
gotta get it done, like whatever, let's figure it out and get it done kind of person. And I think, Kyle, you're the same way. He's very much, know, like, yeah. And like when that day came when he was born and I got that book, I'm like, F the book, doing it my way. Yeah, infinite book. Yeah.

Dr. Spencer Baron (50:22.606)
Are you going to rewrite that book?

Kyle Landi (50:22.688)
I did rewrite the book.

did rewrite the book. And I wrote that book because I'm like, F that book. Yeah. And I wrote the book and I was like, I dedicated it to, these parents, so that they wouldn't get that book that is currently out there because I want a new movement on what's actually, applicable for these kids and without the limitations that we're all putting on them. Cause I truly feel

Dr. Spencer Baron (50:26.872)
You did rewrite them very good. Needs to get out there.

Dr. Spencer Baron (50:33.324)
Yeah. Yeah.

Kyle Landi (50:55.084)
When you are told something, a lot of these people believe it because that's what you're told, right? But I want them to know there's another way. There's another way. And there's a way that these kids could just crush it out there.

Dr. Spencer Baron (51:10.094)
So good.

Dr. Spencer Baron (51:18.072)
for sure. Terry, you want to ask about the...

Dr Terry (51:20.765)
Yeah, yeah. So Kyle, and we kind of talked about this before, but I have a very good friend of mine, James, and he has a daughter who idolizes you. She's three. Her name is Gigi. And I want to know what you want to say to her at three, since she's an Anne Herf Anne. And as your mom, Kim, I want you to what you say to the parents.

of them and that other people are telling them one thing. You've kind of shared it in the show, but I want to give her a shout out. Her name is Gigi and she loves you to death, but also what advice do you give Gigi and what advice do you give the parents?

Kyle Landi (51:59.599)
Thank

Kyle Landi (52:04.552)
Actually, I would say, CC. Hi, Gigi. I say, like, I know you're actually really cute. You're actually really cute, yeah. You're good. I know you're really... You're three years old, yeah. and I'm from the same way and yeah, and you do and...

Love your mom and your dad. And do your best. Should Gigi work out? She should work out, yeah. You want to keep being going up to her.

Yeah. And that's what we're trying to hit is the young moms, especially the moms that have these young kids.

with whatever type of disability they may have is get to these young moms to show them that there is another way and there is another movement and there's so many possibilities out there and don't look at limitations because you know your child better than anyone else, not any book.

not anybody at the hospital, but you know what your child is capable of. And if you put in the work, it comes back.

Dr. Spencer Baron (53:39.343)
That is great. Now, we're near the end of the show and we usually have these rapid fire questions. There's five of them and you can help out Kimberly in that. So I'm to give you question number one of all the crazy things you've done. Which one, Kyle, which one scared you the most and how did you get through it?

Kyle Landi (53:44.237)
Okay.

Kyle Landi (53:59.599)
Was it the Ashton Hall one last week? On the highway? No, I'm not scared one. You weren't scared of that one? No. Okay, what is the scariest one you've done? None. Nothing scares you?

Dr. Spencer Baron (54:11.886)
Does it does anything scare you? You know.

Kyle Landi (54:12.918)
No, never.

Nothing scares you, right?

Dr Terry (54:17.361)
I mean, Spires.

Dr. Spencer Baron (54:22.166)
No, you know what? I absolutely believe it because I think fear is something that's learned and if he's never been taught to learn that, you know.

Dr Terry (54:26.193)
I do too.

Kyle Landi (54:27.65)
I think you're right. Yeah. And you know what I was talking to you about why it's such a blessing to have a child with Down syndrome is because there is no fear and they are present all the time. It's about what's right now, not about the past. They're not dwelling on the past. They're not dwelling on the future. It's about here and now. Yeah. Yeah.

Dr. Spencer Baron (54:44.13)
Yeah.

Dr. Spencer Baron (54:53.9)
something that we can all learn.

Kyle Landi (54:54.136)
Because we were in Simi Valley in California. The Ashton Hall, don't know if...

Oh is it? Okay so it's a windy road and Ashton Hall who's also a social media guy and Kyle are doing this running video and there's cars coming everywhere and I'm like oh my god these guys and they're they're doing a rundown Simi Valley and I'm like this is crazy. I was scared but you guys weren't. I think he called the police to make the cars stop. he wanted to call the police to have them to stop while they were doing a running video. Unfortunately that's not how it works. They don't

Dr Terry (55:01.545)
That's 10 minutes from my place.

Kyle Landi (55:31.256)
I bet you're doing social media. we got a lot of fingers out the window. It was funny. People who are not impressed. Yeah. Turned out to be an epic video. Yeah. Yeah.

Dr. Spencer Baron (55:34.508)
Yeah.

Dr Terry (55:41.289)
that.

Dr. Spencer Baron (55:43.342)
All right, we got quite question number two. Now be honest, now be honest. I heard you guide him in a gluten-free diet and I think that's fantastic because most people don't realize that their digestive system can be sensitive. But here's the real deal, how often...

Kyle Landi (55:57.464)
Yeah. Yeah.

Dr. Spencer Baron (56:06.337)
Do you ever think about having just having a cookie or trying, you know, even when you're trying to be or eat like a bodybuilder, you ever cheat on that diet?

Kyle Landi (56:14.648)
Do you like anything that's not gluten free like bread? Actually, I like gluten free better but my favorite is gluten free. I like your chocolate. He's lactose intolerant too. Yeah. So he, you prefer gluten free. Yeah, gluten free. Because I make everything gluten free. I don't think he feels like he's missing anything.

Yeah. Because I can make gluten free, brownies gluten free, pasta gluten free. We use chickpea pasta. So I don't, I don't think he feels like he's missing anything. Do you feel like you're missing anything? My mom makes me a hotchie pancake, hotchie waffle. And even, even if he has a burger, he'll at a restaurant, he'll say no bun. Yeah. No bun. No bun. Yeah. Yeah.

Dr. Spencer Baron (56:42.963)
There you go, right?

Dr. Spencer Baron (57:07.383)
Kyle, let me ask you, is mom a good cook?

Kyle Landi (57:09.87)
I hate... yeah. All mom's are All mom's are good. All are All All All All All All mom's mom's mom's All mom's All mom's All mom's All mom's are good. All mom's good.

Dr Terry (57:14.445)
good answer. Smart man.

Dr. Spencer Baron (57:22.081)
Well, he's already way ahead of the game. Yeah.

Question number three, you ready? go ahead. You got something to say? Nope. All right. Question number three, you've, trained with legends like Arnold Schwarzenegger, but what's something you do in the gym that would make a hardcore bodybuilder look at you and go, wait, what is that? What's he doing? In other words, what's something that maybe a strength, what, what, what maybe is something that you do?

that exhibits that strength that most people are pretty shocked about.

Kyle Landi (58:00.775)
I like all the information about this guy. And... what like weights do you do? Well, there's actually something... actually... Back workout I do. Collar I do. Legs I do. So there's nothing like anything specific that people would like shocked like wow.

I think he's sprinting on the cardio. No, I don't say that. I don't think she's gonna say it me. I to you. I keep going backwards out and she said like, do this and I said, Shrek it.

But yeah, he did that and he walked away and my mom he was like, my god, this kid, He did it so heavy and so strong and so fast. He's like, stop, stop. And he wouldn't stop, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Because you were doing it so fast and hard. No, I do it slow.

Dr Terry (59:15.731)
What was the, you did a hack squad, think it was, where you had at that gym and he was holding, yeah, was holding your head and you were like doing a lap and it was huge weight. was gnarly. Spencer would be like blown away. I was blown away with that and I was also blown away with your sprint and down, now that I know it's in Simi Valley. Yeah, that was pretty impressive.

Dr. Spencer Baron (59:15.853)
Let me ask you, oh go ahead, go ahead.

Kyle Landi (59:19.576)
Time in gym. Yeah. Yeah.

Kyle Landi (59:37.248)
Yeah, yeah, I don't think he thinks of those things as being amazing. think he's just like, yeah. Amazing mission.

Dr. Spencer Baron (59:40.151)
Let me ask you.

Dr. Spencer Baron (59:44.909)
Do you, Kyle, do you have to put a timer on the treadmill or would you just keep going?

Kyle Landi (59:50.905)
He would just keep keep going. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. He'd just keep going. My husband and I went out for dinner one night. He was on the treadmill. We came back. He was still on the treadmill. Just for five hours straight. Five Five hours straight. Yeah. It's fun for him. Yeah.

Dr. Spencer Baron (59:55.989)
I believe that. I believe that.

you

Yeah.

Dr Terry (01:00:06.461)
god.

Dr. Spencer Baron (01:00:07.285)
I thought.

Kyle Landi (01:00:11.374)
I mean, there's good addictions, right? Yeah, I just want to burn a lot of calories, because that way I can love you again. Yeah, he likes to eat and run. Eat and run, yeah. But he's definitely addicted to the high of working out, for sure. Yeah, I do one for, I got done and do like four hours, five hours. Then I got I mean, anything's possible. Thank you, Michelle. I appreciate it.

Dr. Spencer Baron (01:00:14.242)
Love it.

Dr. Spencer Baron (01:00:25.107)
as beautiful.

Yeah.

Kyle Landi (01:00:40.65)
and have my lawn. Then I'm bringing me and I go shower for. Yeah, so he creates this whole day. I mean, it's better than he doesn't just sit in front of the TV all day. He's just consistently got something going on. Yeah. And he's always trying to improve himself.

Dr. Spencer Baron (01:00:41.09)
Right?

Kyle Landi (01:01:02.376)
and he's doing a really good job with that. mean, because we'll be, some days we're filming all day, some days he's working at the restaurant and yeah, so he's a busy guy. like big show. A lot of events and stuff that we're doing, yeah.

Dr. Spencer Baron (01:01:04.747)
Ugh, that's the best.

Dr. Spencer Baron (01:01:21.767)
So let me ask the last question here and it's probably the most important one and it's about you Kyle. You know they could say Down syndrome, DS, know genetic this that ought to but how do you define yourself? What do you think? Who do you think you are?

Kyle Landi (01:01:39.435)
I think I'm all, like I just want to book a concert and I got to get many doctors gone. I don't want it. He feels, yeah, he doesn't like having the label of Down syndrome displayed. I'm not sure like why, does it make you feel like you're not like the same as everybody else or like what is it about it that bothers you?

No, she doesn't bother me just want to call her. I have a wife one day. He wants to a wife one day, yeah, and kids and he wants to do what everybody else is doing like everybody else.

I don't want my child to get really down strong. I don't want that. He just wants to just have a normal life with you know, like what everybody else has, right? it's...

Dr. Spencer Baron (01:02:42.295)
That's so good. Well, this is the start of something. I think it is a trend. is the new wave of understanding any kind of disability or defect or whatever it might be. Because you know what? I guarantee you, come my next time in practice with Monday morning or Friday or what have you, I am going to tell the people that come to me with their complaints. I'm going to go.

Kyle Landi (01:02:53.09)
Yeah.

Kyle Landi (01:03:07.532)
don't know.

Dr. Spencer Baron (01:03:10.782)
Let me have you listen to someone who has no complaints whatsoever and they're probably. Yeah.

Kyle Landi (01:03:12.558)
No complaints. mean, this is a gentleman who's also 85 % deaf, blind in one eye. And he just, he doesn't let anything like bother him. He's just like, this is, this is just who he is. And like, what do we have to complain about really? I mean,

Dr. Spencer Baron (01:03:34.711)
Kyle, you are the star and Kimberly, you are the best facilitator. I really appreciate you both for being on the show, because I think this is a magnificent example of what can be done despite what anybody says. So thank you very much for being on the show today.

Kyle Landi (01:03:50.061)
Yeah. And a shout out to Gigi. Gigi. Yeah. Hey, Gigi. Hey, Gigi. We look forward to seeing you at the gym. Hopefully we get a work.

Dr Terry (01:03:59.104)
Thank you.

Dr. Spencer Baron (01:03:59.446)
It's great.