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Soul Week, Episode 1: Regression
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We explore how regression in hypnosis tracks an emotion back to its first cause, reframes the meaning, and updates the subconscious catalog that drives present behavior. Along the way, we show how timeline work, womb work, and even past-life chapters can release fear, anger, and self-judgment.
• regression as a technique to find first causes
• emotional bridges to trace specific feelings
• orienting questions to stabilize trance recall
• early-life imprints and survival-driven fear
• adult self support and compassionate reparenting
• replaying scenes with new interpretations
• beliefs formed by repeated experiences
• domino effects across the personal timeline
• resolving compounded emotions and forgiveness
• womb work and maternal emotional echoes
• timelines extending beyond one lifetime
• three ways past life sessions happen
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We are on the line. Today's topic is going to be past life regression. Past life regression. It must have come about. Do you know the past? Do you know the past about past life regression? It must have come about by accident with some hypnotists out there. We know the life between lives, how that came about, but you know, I've I've never really given in much thought.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah, you you go all the way back to the earliest hypnotists, and they always believed. I think anyone working with human beings and their minds has been aware that the mind itself and its processes are influenced by the past, by what we learn, by what our experiences are. The way we use our mind, the way we interpret our present. And it's in that interpretation that we get emotions and we get reactions, really comes from past experience. And I think, you know, the earliest hypnotists, Ericsson and even before him, Freud, were really about the idea that the present is being impacted by the past. So the past needs to be resolved. And we've come a long way in terms of understanding how to access the past using hypnosis. And so, really, when you're talking about past life regression, you're you're really the the big word there is regression. And regression is the idea of in a trance state, accessing the previous experience, and then, of course, reinterpreting it, reframing it in some way that's helpful rather than unhelpful. Regression is taking something that is interfering with your ability to live the way you want today and reconsidering it. So regression itself is just a technique, it's a hypnotic technique where when we find somebody who's very, very clear about how they feel about something. So let's you can use anything really simple, you know. I always say hypnosis, people come to us because either they want to stop doing something or they want to start doing something.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah.
SPEAKER_02:They they're dissatisfied with their lives because they tend to do this thing over and over and over, whether it's something as as singular as smoking, or something as broad as being anxious or being angry, or you know, reacting to certain things, fear of something that's not fearful, like a frog or or a snake.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah.
SPEAKER_02:So they seek to change something, and and it's very easy. I think in a modern world, most of us are pretty good at psychologizing, right? We're all pretty good. We're all pretty aware that our past is shaping our present. And it's usually a misunderstanding about our past. It's an interpretation and uh reaction that is not universally helpful. And so we use it to go back. So in in regression, we will often use emotional bridges, we call them. An emotional bridge is really just taking that feeling that people have. So let's say you want to get over your fear of public speaking, right? You know that at work you're gonna have to speak to groups of people, and you have a certain fear of that. And when someone says, We want you to lead this meeting, you will likely have an immediate reaction in your body, in a place, a feeling that's attached to an emotion. And so the technique of regression is really quite simple. You're simply asking the mind in a trance state to go back to where that feeling originated. When was the first time I had that feeling? When was the first time that that emotion was experienced by me in that way and caused me to not want to be, you know, the previous equivalent of public speaking, not want to be exposed, not want to stand up, not want to voice my opinion. There's a lot of aspects to public speaking that people that are very unique to the individual, but there is an experience somewhere in the past that has made them think of that activity as making them vulnerable.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah. Think of it like the image that comes to mind is one of those tin can telephones, right? So you've got one can on the other on one side, that's the emotion you're feeling now, and there's a long string going to another can. And that other can is your past, right? It's somewhere in the past.
SPEAKER_02:What's really good is knowing that that's the way the mind works. The mind categorizes, it catalogs, it curates. These are these are the things it does with past experiences. So, in fact, the subconscious mind is very, very aware. This is the part of you that doesn't sleep. This is the part of you that holds everything. This is the part of you that organizes things. This is the part of you that connects the past with the present. And so the subconscious mind is very, very deep and it's very, very full. And there are very few events in your life that you couldn't access through your subconscious mind. So regression is really the process of saying to the mind, please tell me the first time this, we call it an ab reaction, a negative reaction. Take us back to the first time this emotion took place, this particular kind of emotion. So the regression starts with isolating the emotion for what it is, giving it shape, giving it color, giving it uniqueness. This is a particular feeling that you have of the millions of feelings you've had in your life. This is a particular one. And then we want to trace it back. And the subconscious mind has that well cataloged. And if you're in a state of trance and your subconscious mind agrees that this needs to be resolved, which is almost always, the subconscious mind is always on your side, always trying to protect you, always trying to get you to do the safest thing that will lead to your longest, not necessarily happiest, but longest survival.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah.
SPEAKER_02:And so you say to this the subconscious mind, let's go back to the place where this all began. And Hillary and I have both had that experience in hypnosis. That's what that really generally is the kind of thing that hooks you into hypnosis when somebody can put you in a chair and you're busy feeling your feeling on the verge of tears or on the verge of rage or on the verge of something, and you've got this emotion and you're in a an alpha theta state. You've slowed your mind down, the external world has now disappeared. The internal world has become your focus. You have an awareness and an intention to resolve this, and the subconscious mind trusts the hypnotist, which is one of the one of the big hurdles we have to overcome before we can even begin, is getting to that place where the client says, Yeah, I can trust you.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah.
SPEAKER_02:Bang, it just goes back. It just, I want you to go back to the place where this began. I'm going to count backwards from five, five, four, three, two, one. Be there, be there, be there. And there you are. And then we just ask orienting questions. Are you inside or outside? Is it daytime or nighttime?
SPEAKER_00:Alone or with someone.
SPEAKER_02:There you go. There you go. So keep going there.
SPEAKER_00:Oh, that's all I had to say. Okay. Yeah. Oh my God. Um yeah, we we go there and we we uh ask um we ask direct questions, but then we sort of op we ask open-ended questions.
SPEAKER_02:Very open questions. So what's happening? Who's there?
SPEAKER_00:Yeah.
SPEAKER_02:What's going on?
SPEAKER_00:Yeah.
SPEAKER_02:And oftentimes, one of the first things we do when we start to get answers to that is we immediately reorient the subconscious mind and say, okay, go back five minutes before this event.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah.
SPEAKER_02:Right. Because it really takes the pressure off. Before the thing happened, you can understand the state of mind of the person. Once you understand what happened, then you understand how the person in that moment interpreted that situation.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah.
SPEAKER_02:Oftentimes, very often, when we regress, we go back to infancy. And this is why I say a lot on the podcast that to our to our youngest mind, everything is a threat to our survival.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah.
SPEAKER_02:Right? We're lying on a bed naked after a bath and playing with mom. And then mom goes down the hall to get some diapers and come back. And in that moment, we are aware that we're all alone. And in that aloneness, we become very scared for our survival.
SPEAKER_00:And it's not the thought, right? We're not thinking. It is very much an energy feeling and a and uh and yeah, just the body reacting at the unconscious level.
SPEAKER_02:So you've got this this infant that doesn't even know how to think yet, experiencing aloneness and vulnerability. And then it takes mom a while to come back. And so that that emotional experience stays for a while and grows for a while. And then later in life, somebody's 45 years old, and they notice that they're just not able to be comfortable away from their family or away from someone they love, or they're they don't like being alone. And all of this is connected to this experience and this interpretation of the experience as if I'm all alone, I could die. Yeah. Which isn't even verbal, right? This is just a an emotional sense. So this is the kind of thing that people go through, and this is really quite normal. It's normal for all of us because we all of us as children interpret certain experiences as a threat, as something really dangerous, as something really fearful. And that gets extrapolated into conditions that are similar as we continue to go through life. And so this is really the methodology of regression. And then we do therapeutic things while we're there. So the first thing we might do if the emotions are overwhelming is we cause them to step back, step back and observe rather than be in this little baby. Now step back and observe the little baby. I always bring in the older self. I always say, you know, there's there's less as a baby now. Let's bring less today, less the adult. Um, let's bring him into the room now, right?
SPEAKER_00:You like to use a support, like loved one, deceased loved one. Sometimes people's pets come along. When you say you bring in the adult, is that separate from me as the adult? So I'm looking at myself times two? Do you know what I mean?
SPEAKER_02:Well, your adult self bringing forward all of your knowledge and awareness.
SPEAKER_00:Right.
SPEAKER_02:Right. I like to use the adult self, especially in situations of fear, because like I said, fear is almost always about survival. Right? When you're little. When you're little, it's just like, you know, oh my God, I'm lost in the mall, I'm gonna die. It's these are the kinds of extremes that that young minds interpret. So for me, just bringing in the adult self is therapeutic. It's almost done. It's just I don't have to do a lot more work because now, you know, I now let let the adult less be in the room. Okay, Les, let the little one know you're here. Right. And and then I ask people, is the little one calming down? And then I ask the little one, does that feel better to know that less is here? Well, yes, right. And I say, it's amazing to know that you survived this, isn't it, little one? And the little one goes, Yeah, yeah, you will survive this. You're gonna live, and your adult self being here is proof that you you're gonna live a long time, right? And and that sometimes just resolves it instantaneously. But the the idea, of course, is that you bring in a support into this imaginary world that you've created, and now you're changing that circumstance. You're changing the way your former self is interpreting that circumstance. You're giving your internal self permission to reinterpret this and see that most importantly, the truth of it, right? And that's the thing. That's the reason why we have dysfunction in our life is that something has happened and we've interpreted in a way that isn't helpful, it's not accurate, and therefore it's causing you to interpret similar situations today in your life, like public speaking, as as dangerous and threatening and off balance, right? So that process of going back to that moment. Now, again, so there's lots of ways to decrease the emotion of the moment because when you're a baby, how do you regulate emotion? You don't. You're everything, whatever you are, in that moment 100%. When babies laugh, they laugh. When babies cry, they cry. And when babies are afraid, they are really afraid. And so it's it's about a presence and a sense of love. It's an internal awareness. And you can you can add a person, you can add a support, you can step away from the situation and just be the observer. Yeah, you can add awareness, even even if the awareness isn't completely accurate. You know, oh, mom's just down the hall. Mom's just down the hall getting a diaper. Right? In fact, it's amazing how your subconscious mind can create that for you. So in that moment now, we're resolving this interpretation of an experience. That emotion tends to dissipate. We have a conversation with the little one. We have a conversation with the adult self. The two of them find peace. Then we go back to just before the event and we play it out again with a different interpretation. So now we take the baby, and mom steps out of the room, and the baby knows that it's going to be fine. And the baby is just going to enjoy being on the bed and staring at the ceiling and knowing that mom's just down the hall and she's coming right back. And when mom comes right back, mom is filled with love, filled with appreciation. We feel so loved and so so wanted. And in that moment, the whole experience is changed. That old experience is literally gone. The new experience is now it's being cataloged and categorized and curated inside the subconscious mind. And the person's life is dramatically changed. This is the power of hypnosis, right? The power of hypnosis is that when we change those experiences, quite literally, instantaneously, anything in your life that would have been affected by that experience is now changed. And it's changed dramatically. So regression is simply the process of going back to an experience and examining the event, the interpretation, and the emotion attached to it. And that's why we define, that's why all over the school you're going to see that equation, right? Event plus interpretation plus emotion equals experience. And experiences are the stuff that gets cataloged, categorized, and curated inside your subconscious mind. And that's the tools that the subconscious mind uses to assemble beliefs, right? A consistent experience creates a belief, a belief about us, a belief about the world, a belief about others. And these are the tools we use to interpret present-day events. So to see it that kind of cyclically, and to see regression as the tool we can use to reinterpret. Now, it doesn't have to be something in infancy. Sometimes it's something that happened when we were a little kid. Sometimes it happens when we're a teenager, sometimes it happens when we're adults. Sometimes we regress to something that happened last week, right? It's possible to regress to anywhere in your life. When we're using regression, we try to go back to the first time you experienced the emotion. Because every time after that was building habit. It was reinforcing the emotion. It was reinforcing the interpretation, right? So that's why, if you know, the first time you get asked to public speak, you're up there and you're doing your thing and it's going so well, and you see somebody laughing, and then they tell you your fly is down. That's your first experience. And now you you categorize and curate that experience every time you're asked to public speak. And then they all attach to each other and they each turn out to be somehow negative experiences. And then you come to the conclusion, I hate public speaking, I'm never going to do it. And it's really about that moment, right? Sometimes it's about other people's cruelty or need to somehow, you know, lift themselves up by putting somebody down. And sometimes it's really overcriticism of yourself, right? I wanted to be perfect, I wasn't perfect. But these experiences compound, they build up.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah. So in the chat, we have if we if we have had similar experiences at different times of our life, will reinterpreting the initial time affect the rest of the experiences?
SPEAKER_02:Want to answer that? Because I almost swore there. I almost said absolutely.
SPEAKER_00:What a swear word. We need to make this podcast explicit. No. So yes, yes, reinterpreting that initial sentence. Sensitizing event will sort of have this domino effect on events following it to the present moment. So imagine that ISE, you know, reinterpreting it, giving it wisdom, releasing the emotion that was tied to it. And imagine that as the first domino, and you've sort of flicked it over, and it's got this, it has this train of dominoes. And so it makes other events all the way to the present neutral. It neutralizes them. Now, in my uh experience, sometimes there's little events, you know, that need a little more help. So oftentimes it will be, okay, let's let's look at this very first event that we believe anyway to be the first event, and let's neutralize it. And then let's gently float forward towards the present moment along our timeline and just get a sense if anyone else needs help, little you's, right? Or or adult you towards the present moment. And your subconscious mind will let you know it's not gonna, it's usually not gonna lie to you. It can lie to me, but it can't. It's not gonna lie to you. So then you work with those leftover experiences. Usually the leftover experiences have something else that's another compounded emotion. And by the end of it, what usually happens is you're almost in, to give you a metaphor, the light of the present moment, a big shining light that represents the present moment. And a lot of people if if they can't quite get into the present, into the light, it's usually, I haven't seen it any different. It's quite fascinating. It's usually self-forgiveness keeping them from going in there. And then we do that.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah, there's there's a lot of ways that this gets complicated. And I think that you just hit the nail on the head. What happens is that our subconscious mind categorizes and catalogs, but it's it's capable of really great cross-referencing. And so not every situation that triggered that initial emotion is isolated to that emotion. There can be a whole lot of other complicating emotions. So some of so when it comes to that emotion, that feeling, that reaction that we went back and resolved, that one's usually pretty good. It's going to depend on the technique we use. There's lots of techniques to use to deal with this. Hillary made reference to the timeline. Sometimes what people will do is just simply ladder back. Let's go to the last time you felt that emotion, and the time before that, and the time before that, the time before that, till you get to the place where this is the first time, right? That initial sensitizing event, they call it. So now they'll have a number of events written down on their page in their notes while the person's in trance, and they'll move back through each one of those events. And many of those events will just sort of dissipate. Yeah, yeah, I'm good. And then when there are complicating emotions, emotions, because the situation wasn't exactly the same, there are other emotions to resolve. Moreover, what often happens for a lot of people is that they find themselves in situations that weren't their fault. They went through a harsh emotion and it wasn't their fault, and it was the result of somebody's bad action. And so what will happen once we resolve that fear is what will take its place is anger, as it should.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah.
SPEAKER_02:Right? You've been treated unfairly. So now we find ourselves sometimes going back to that event again to resolve the anger, right? Because now it's a reinterpretation that has triggered an anger response. And then what happens from there is often when we find our way past, you know, looking at the other person and just seeing them as a flawed human being that made a mistake, even to the point of being willing to forgive them. Then we have our own anger at ourselves for allowing ourselves to be in such a situation and allowing somebody to have that kind of power over us. And then we've got to resolve that kind of self-judgment that requires a different kind and a different level of forgiveness. And these are the kinds of complexities that come from, these are the complexities that just come from the fact that life is not a simple linear thing, that emotions are many, that interpretations shift and trigger different emotions. The technique that Hillary referred to, I think is a great technique, is called the timeline technique. Wants to talk about that.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah. So the timeline is whether it's a visual metaphor or just a feeling or a knowing for the client, it's this idea. I'll I'll I'll speak about it visually, just to give you context. So it's a it's this idea that we are starting at the present moment. And just for ease, we'll use the visual of a cord of light that stretches into your future and stretches into your past. And this cord of light has events on it. And whether those events are, I've had clients see them as balls of light, different colors, file cabinets, planets, that was really cool. All kinds of things. But that's up to the client. And so we sort of hop, skip, and jump backwards or forwards, depending on how we're or what we're working on, whether we're future pacing or regressing. And to do womb work. You know, I get them to imagine a ball of light all the way back at the beginning of their of their timeline of this cord, let's call it. And that represents them in the womb. And so we do womb work there. And so we sort of slide, you know, back and forth along this cord, looking at experiences and yeah, really just connecting with those little versions of you that need that that need your help right now. Sometimes I'll have them go all the way back to the womb and just gently sort of float forward. And this sounds like a horror movie, but it's it's not in my mind, it sounds like that. But it's really lovely. Little you's, older you's versions of you with their hands reaching up from the timeline and you just grasping their hands and pulling them up with you to float forward. And by the end of it, you know, when you're when you're driving down the road or something and you see there's like a class of kindergartners and they're all holding on to this rope out for a walk with the teacher? That's sort of what I have them imagine by the end of it, is all the little you's are holding on to this this rope and you're carrying them forward into the present moment. And so by the time you get to the present moment, the light of that, you've got a whole team of little you's, and we can also do work there too. You know, who needs help right now? Raise your hand. Who do you feel needs help right now? Those kinds of things.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah, though. Gnosis is the world of metaphor and imagination, but it's it's really quite real. Sometimes I'll use the timeline technique, and all we'll do is simply take that emotion and give it a color and give it a shape, and then we'll examine the timeline that we often call it the beautiful golden cable of your life, which is above you, off into the future, back into the past. And then I'll try to be specific and say, within this lifetime, this emotion has happened. I'll say to them, there's a number going to come to you, and don't resist the number, just let the number be. The number is going to happen. In this lifetime, you've had this emotion a number of times. What's the number? And I've had people say 726, right? The number will count. Eight. First off, like the number will be just be there. And you'll see the look on their face. Like, why? I don't, I don't, like, they don't even understand how the subconscious mind is now communicating directly. Because they're in that deep state of trance. I think the subconscious mind wants to resolve these things. Anyway, we'll just throw those lights up along the timeline. And as we resolve the we'll go back to the very first instance of that light, yeah, and we will rise above that light, above the timeline, and look down on the situation. There are so many techniques. But what we can do is take the learning from that moment, and the technique I use is the learning of the moment has its own color, and let's throw that color down the timeline and resolve anything that that that color, that new understanding, that new emotion, anything that it can resolve along the timeline, let it resolve. And they say, Oh, yeah, all those, all those yellow dots are just disappearing. They're just disappearing. And that's great. Are there any yellow dots left? Yes, two. And these are those complicated situations. These are ones where it's compounded with other emotions. So we'll go specifically, specifically to those moments and we'll do the thing again. Now, with that in mind, let's just set the stage because I think we'll have to talk about this tomorrow.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah.
SPEAKER_02:This has turned out to be a good topic. Way to go, Hilda.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah, I think I think today is like this life, and then we can sort of go into past life tomorrow. Because this is the good, this is a good groundwork, the baseline, you know, of what we work with. I got a good question here. I want to answer quickly before we wrap up. When using the timeline, can we go into pre-birth in womb experience? Absolutely. Absolutely, yeah.
SPEAKER_02:So I wanted to, that was where I was going next was the idea that some people naturally, when they look at their timeline, when they throw that timeline up above themselves, it act they know that it goes past backwards, past this life, that it keeps on going. And they know that they can see down at the future end that there's an end to this life, but the the cable keeps going. Some people are predisposed to that. Now, I want to I want to make a quasi-political kind of statement, and I don't want it to be political. I just want us to be aware. In the world, the only real faith structure that doesn't believe in reincarnation, past lives, future lives, is Christianity. And Christianity only introduced that idea around the year 600, when they started to try to get people to give up on the idea of past lives and future lives. And it was really an attempt to remove this kind of thinking. If you examine just about any other faith, they're very aware that there's a future life in heaven and then there's a past lives that we have lived. This is really kind of a cultural thing. So I find that a lot of my clients that aren't Christian, hard Christian per se, find it very easy to see their timeline go way before this life and way past this life. And they just do it naturally, right? It's just there. And for some people who have very strict religious beliefs, they're they're intimidated by it and they're surprised by it when I ask them to look and say, what's what's before your birth? And they they see, oh, oh, I was uh I I can see myself in my mother. And is there anything before that? Oh, there is a line, it keeps going. This is the subconscious mind, because the subconscious mind is not just what you've brought into this life, or not just what you had in this life, it's also what you brought into this life. And that's what makes past life progression possible.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah, yeah, and very exciting. In womb experience, just to give a little context, usually has to do with the feeling of the mother. So if your mom is going through something hard or anxious or the the energy around it, sometimes you want to save her from it. So you try to take it on yourself. Also, babies are very always wanting to do that, usually. My gosh, there's so many, so many different things that can come up in the womb. But oh, so fear, fear of starting this life. I took on too much. Right? What's gonna happen? Lots of different things. But yeah, and the same sort of work in the womb, having that support, whether it's your adult self or it's your dog or you know, a deceased loved one or an archetype of some sort. It's it's it's about reinterpreting, reinterpreting, reinterpreting. And also in the past lives, reinterpreting. There's some extra stuff that we'll talk about tomorrow, but yeah, pretty fascinating.
SPEAKER_02:So if you're using what they call an affect bridge, if you're using emotions, if you're using particular interpretation of events, and you ask the subconscious mind, take me to where this emotion began, it's very possible that the subconscious mind is aware of a particular past life where this actually began. And this can be a vibrational thing that you've brought with you into this life, and it can be sometimes part of your plan. You know, it's possible to have a plan for this life where you are resolving all kinds of things, including past life things.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah.
SPEAKER_02:And for me, the first time I did hypnosis, the first time I sat down in somebody's chair and said, okay, let's give this a whirl, that's what happened to me. I went back to four past lives, four sessions, four past lives, four very peculiar experiences. Well, I'll save all of that for tomorrow.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah. Yeah. I just want to add a little twist in there too. So sometimes we say, let's go back to where this began. I've gotten into the habit of saying, let's go back to where you're meant to go today, to learn and understand, to understand and release where you're meant to go today. And yeah, I suppose that comes from just being so convinced, in my own opinion, that everything is happening for a reason. And they're with me that day for a reason, whether we're going to a past life or life between or just doing work on this life, uh they're meant to do something, and I'm not in charge of that. But yeah, I I've really come to like those words. So anyway, that's a little nice, little nugget. But yeah, tomorrow will be past lives, and that'll be fun.
SPEAKER_02:Sometimes, you know, when when we teach past life regression, we talk about three circumstances. First, that sometimes past life regression happens accidentally. I didn't know we were going to a prior life. Sometimes we do it intentionally to try to, when it becomes clear that there's something that uh someone is bringing with them into this life and they need to resolve. And sometimes we do it just for fun, just for entertainment purposes. Hillary will do online, she's got one coming up. Online past regressions. We'll bring in a group of people and we'll do let's have a little party, and we're all gonna follow a meditation that will lead you to a past life. And people do it just expand their awareness of who they are for the fun of it, as on their spiritual exploration journey.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah, the one we're talking about that's coming up, that's in a private group of somebody else's, somebody else's private group, but I have mind to put it in our calendar as well, so keep an eye out for that. Okay. Well, thank you for hanging out. Happy Tuesday. Stay warm as well, and we will see you later.