Abundance Reframed: Let's Chat About What Money Means

We question the word abundance and the baggage it carries, then rebuild it into something personal, specific, and usable. We track how interpretation drives emotion, how money programs shape behavior, and how clarity about what we want changes everything.
• noticing how subtle mindset shifts change emotions fast 
• treating life events as interpretation rather than truth 
• challenging “abundance equals money” and the beliefs attached to it 
• asking what we want abundance of and why 
• unpacking money as safety and other hidden money stories 
• dropping judgment and seeing money as a neutral tool 
• reframing wealth as stewardship and opportunity 
• using meditation, journaling, and inner work to rewrite programs 
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Transcript

Weather Shifts And New Rhythms

SPEAKER_04 0:10

We are on the line.

SPEAKER_01 0:13

Rain wiped out all the snow.

unknown 0:15

Yep.

SPEAKER_01 0:15

We had a whack of snow. Then we had a whack of rain. Didn't even hear it last night. Must have been sleeping well. This morning there's green grass again. We're doing the flip-flop. Winter summer, winter, summer, winter, summer.

SPEAKER_04 0:28

Yeah. It's that time of year.

SPEAKER_01 0:30

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 0:31

Where snow only lasts just a little while.

SPEAKER_01 0:35

Some's trying to break through the overcast. And I'm still getting used to the change in the clock. It's still messing with me.

SPEAKER_04 0:42

Yeah, me too. I didn't think it was at first. And then over the weekend I decided to sleep in. And then this morning I was just all messed up. Like I didn't know what time it was.

SPEAKER_01 0:53

Fell back into the old clock.

SPEAKER_04 0:55

Oh my god.

SPEAKER_01 0:56

Well, we have about six million geese.

SPEAKER_04 0:59

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 1:00

That at some point or another are gonna be swaffing and making noises. Yeah. You might even hear them. And then it is the beginning of March break. Oh, I understand it. The beginning of March break.

SPEAKER_04 1:16

Very good.

SPEAKER_01 1:17

Which is probably why it's nice weather because nature always takes care of the kids. Yeah, exactly.

SPEAKER_04 1:27

Yeah, so this weekend. This weekend we were sort of getting our energy in order. And not by not on purpose, but I think by design.

SPEAKER_00 1:44

That's an interesting way to see things, you know. Those are those are interesting words to change.

Letting Go And Starting An Adventure

Interpretation Creates Your Experience

SPEAKER_04 1:51

She she's done it again. Tyke likes to play with her bone right next to the edge of the couch and just live on the edge. And then she just pushes it under the couch and stares at us. Yeah. So that's what she's doing right now. But this weekend, you know, for anyone who listens a lot, or a little bit, at least in the last little bit, we're in the process of releasing our home and and going on an adventure. And so this weekend, just by accident, we found ourselves, I don't know, uh sort of moving from one state of mind, I guess, pun intended, to another state of mind. And it was kind of by accident, kind of by design, probably the universe was looking after us. And, you know, I I I want to point out that we had a suggestion for today about abundance and opening to abundance, allowing abundance to come to you and seeing our own resistance, how to release the resistance, and knowing and understanding that the universe wants to support us and give us what we want and need. And I thought that was that was really interesting because we were sort of talking about almost along the same lines, the same thing just before we received that suggestion.

Why The Word Abundance Backfires

SPEAKER_01 3:24

Well, it's yeah, yeah, like you just triggered in me. You know, we're in the business of mind shifting, we're in the business of giving ourselves permission to think differently. We're in the in the world of actively finding the flaws in the way we think and discovering how the way we think shapes the way our life seems to be playing out around us. And we very definitely, because it's what we do, and it's what we I shouldn't speak for Hillary, but it's what it's what I really believe in. Killer's nodding, of course. Um it's it's what it's what we've discovered is the fundamental, essential way to change your life. And it's got all kinds of dimensions, and it's got all kinds of impacts in the short term, in the practical, in the experiential, in the abstract, um, in the spiritual, which is all part of the same thing. I mean, you you can you can look at these from perspectives, but they are all aspects of who and what we are. And we can choose different lenses and we can choose different perspectives and we can choose different angles. And most importantly, we can choose different interpretations. And that's what it is. You know, I think that that's an enormous shift for anybody to realize that whatever's going on around them, however they describe it, that's an interpretation. And most of the time, it's really not about me. And most of the time, if I want to, I can respond any way I want. I can be an observer, certainly rather than a victim, certainly rather than a participant, I can be an observer and remind myself that I too am a contributor, I'm a creator. But the thing of it is, at the end of the day, is that we're so involved in this stuff and we're so actively involved in doing it for ourselves that we are we sometimes take it for granted, and we sometimes experience changes in the way we think that are very, very subtle, but have a direct impact on our emotions. Because if emotions are just the result of how I'm interpreting a situation as it relates to me, and if the way I see things shifts and now I interpret them differently, I'm having a very different experience. And this is, I think, what's critical is that awareness that what you're having is an experience. And that experience has events in it, but it's also your interpretation of the events and the emotions that they evoke. That's what your experience is. When you're shifting the way your mind interprets things, right? When you start to get peaceful in the way your mind interprets things, your emotions become very, very different. And so we experience these kinds of things. You know, I'm feeling pretty light-hearted today. And to be quite frank, last week I wasn't very lighthearted at all. And so it seems like an enormous contrast, but it was a simple shift over the weekend that I'm okay, that I'm allowed to be what I am, and that what I am, who I am, has its own purpose. And it doesn't have to be anything other than what it is, and that my view of myself as it shifts, it shifts my experience that I'm living. And as it turns out, today, that lightens my heart. Now, I don't know what tomorrow holds, I don't know what the next three hours hold. I'm quite confident that my subconscious mind has every intention of going back to its old way of thinking. But in dealing on a daily basis, in making mental shifts, in making new interpretations, new perspectives on what's going on, you dramatically change your experience. So to take that now and use that idea, the word abundance, and this is where we're trapped, right? We're trapped within our lexicon, we're trapped within our vocabulary, we're trapped within our words. Because we're always communicating, and when we communicate, we're choosing words and we're using words. And some people are resistant to the idea of using big words, and some people are resistant to the idea of using colloquialisms, and some people are completely into using uh words that might get bleeped, and other people are completely resistant to using words that might get bleeped. The point that I'm trying to make is as we communicate to others, we're also communicating to ourselves, and as we're communicating to ourselves in the language that we use, we're trapped within the meaning of the language that we use. So we're forced to start to use new language if we really want to see things differently. And I'm not sure that the vast majority of us are served by this word abundance, right? You know, uh, it's not that we don't have abundance, yeah, right? It's that we have abundance of doubt, we have abundance of belief of our unworthiness, we have an abundance of fear, right? Abundance is just lots, right? It's just lots. And I'm not sure that abundance is the word that we're trying to go after. Abundance of. I think our natural reaction is to say abundance of money, because in our world, money trades for everything with it. And what we're finding out is the rich people, yeah, we're really upset because they trade money for they trade money for the ability to do anything they want without repercussion. They trade money for vast amounts of space, land, and keep other people off it. They trade money for more money. And when we think abundance and we think of money, and then we think of what's going on in the world. Well, I would figure that most of us have some real misgivings and some programming against money. And so inside this word of abundance, we have a bunch of meanings, right? And within those meanings are a whole bunch of programs, and it's about shifting that view of what money is, what money does, what money's about, what it means. If if I don't want to look at rich people as abundant versus me being not abundant, I want to realize that they are abundant in money, but that doesn't mean they're abundant in anything else. And that I have right now I have an abundance of change going on outside my window. Snow is melting, ducks are coming back, geese are flying in by the thousands, right? We saw a six-month-old eagle in the tree this week, this weekend. We have an abundance of change going on, and that's kind of cool, right? So it's just lots of, yeah, right. And if we simplify that and keep its meanings tracked in, I want lots of money, then we're activating a whole bunch of other programs in the way we look at the world and especially what's going on right now. I mean, what's going on right now, I think, is really bringing everyone's attention to the idea that maybe, just maybe, the people who are in charge really don't deserve our trust. They haven't earned it, they're not using it to our benefit, they're not using it to bring peace and love and and bridging gaps between people. They're using it for their own accumulation, they're using it for their own ability to do whatever they want and not be accountable. This is this is what we're waking up to, right? And as we wake up to it, I think it's important that we say, What do I want? Right? What do I want? If I want abundance, what do I want abundance of, right? What do I want to create in my life? What do I want to feel every day in my life? Where would I find that? Right. And then waking up to the idea that maybe an abundance of money, there's nothing wrong with it, but maybe the abundance of money is so that I can have an abundance of something else. And maybe that's my focus. And now I can use my mind to say, ah, you know, I've been trained to think that money is everything, and it's not, and there's nothing wrong with money. It's just a thing, it's just a methodology of trade, it's just a system of exchange, right? There's nothing wrong with it, but it doesn't necessarily provide me with what I yearn for. If I had an abundance of money, what would I turn it into an abundance of? And would that really make me happy? And for how long? And asking these questions reveal to you your programming and only your programming, and programming changes, and that's the beauty of the mind is it accumulates, but it can differentiate between what it wants and what it doesn't want. The mind can say, ah, that program doesn't work. It's not getting me where I want to go. But it starts with asking the question what do I want? I want to live in a world where people care about each other. I want an abundance of that. And you know what? In my immediate life, I have tons of that. I have tons of that. The people that are in my life every day are incredibly caring. When I walk up to them and they say, How are you doing? They're actually asking, right? They actually care. They say to me, How's Hillary? They actually care, right? I actually have within my immediate circle an abundance of caring people. Anyway, I hope that doesn't sound too too darn excited and emphatic because I get that way. But what do you want an abundance of? And sometimes that's going to be facilitated by money, but sometimes it's not.

SPEAKER_03 15:21

Yeah.

What Do You Want To Feel

SPEAKER_01 15:22

For the most part, money is a means of getting something else. And we're programmed to think lots of money means all kinds of things. And we're also waking up to a world that's showing us lots of money also means some really the potential of really bad behaviors from people who don't know what they really want. As they search for what they really want, they're lost in their pursuit of more and more money.

SPEAKER_04 15:51

Yeah, when I would well, I'm I think for myself, I'm trying over the last year to go through money programs within myself. And when I noticed that money would bring me, I think, or I thought, money brings me a feeling of safety for some reason. I think about being abundant in money, I can travel and go see family and do what I want. But what does that really mean, right? Like what is that? Do I need tons of money to do that? Probably not. I'm not sure exactly where I'm going here. But like you said, I think it's important, at least I've I've found it important over the last year at least, to start understanding these programs that I have. And it really comes down to a feeling, locking on to a feeling. You know, I and I think I think there's all kinds of things that you said, what do I want with the abundance? Something like that. Like, and I thought, well, okay, well, you know, one person might with abundance want to be abundant in shoes, right? And then someone else, I'll, you know, use myself as an example. I want to be abundant in in feeling safe. But why, why would money make me feel safe? You know? And then sort of digging down further on that and understanding, well, what what really do I want? Or what really do I might do I need? And why? Why does money make me feel safe? And as I uncover it even more, I think maybe more money doesn't make me feel safe. Maybe now I need security systems all of a sudden, you know. So it's just it's this interesting concept to start to dive into and start to understand about what our own programs are. I don't I don't have the program that, at least I don't think I do from assessing myself, but I don't have the program that says people with money are bad. Because I do believe that, you know, think about think about the last few years on social media. Like think about the last six years on social media. The people with the loudest voices are the ones that stand out, right? And sometimes the people with the loudest voices that stand out, you're just like, oh my God, you're a buffoon. Right. Or you're you're just thinking these judgmental thoughts about them. And but the but they have the loudest voice and they stand out. So when I think about money, I think that there's a certain section of people, if they are wealthy, they somehow rise to the top. And that's probably because the ones pre-dating them are allowing them up, right? Because they see the same thing in them that they see in themselves. And so I do believe that there are tons of wealthy people, but they're not the ones with the loudest voices.

Wealth As Stewardship Not Hoarding

SPEAKER_01 19:22

I think that is so accurate, right? And and I uh I want to come back to the idea of judgment and say it doesn't serve me to judge money as good or bad. It serves me to understand what it is and what it isn't. It serves me to understand how it can be used, right, and how it might not be used. It serves me to see, yes, the loudest voices of these people that we raise up to prominent positions, you know, the Jeff Bezos of the world who came up with an interesting idea. Can I use the internet to sell books? And then that became sell stuff, and that became sell everything, and that became be the primary retailer in the world. And in that process, amassed so much money that the human mind can't really fathom it, right? If I asked you to imagine 10, 10 oranges, you could do that. If I asked you to imagine a thousand oranges, you're having some struggles now, right? If I asked you to imagine a million oranges, right, that's that's beyond the way I normally think, right? And these are people with hundreds of billions of dollars. It's it's beyond our ability to, our typical ability to imagine or understand. It sounds good to us until you think about it for a while, and it starts to sound chaotic. And exactly that, there's this loud voice who's out there doing things, and there's other loud voices that have gone off and found themselves involved in stuff that people are very upset about. But, you know, if I said Mackenzie Scott to you, and you're looking at me like, no, well, how can you think of Jeff Bezos without thinking of Mackenzie Scott? That's his ex-wife, who got half of the wealth as it was at the time, something like$36 billion, and has been using it nonstop since her divorce to help charitable organizations. And what's so incredibly counterintuitive to that is that she actually has more money now than she did when she started. And it's not because she's investing the money itself. Money has an ability to make money. Money has the ability to grow and duplicate. It's, you know, like a you plant a flower and it'll drop its seeds, and there'll be more flowers, and it'll drop their seeds, and there'll be more flowers. Actually, you know, you got a field of clover. But The point is, the point is, is she's not prominent. She's not out there in everybody's face. She's not the one we aspire to because we just don't even know about her. And yet now you can know about her. And now you can know that, and this is one of those things that came to me over the weekend, right? That to acquire wealth, and we'll say lots of money as a simple definition of that right now, to have lots of money is an enormous opportunity. And to see yourself not as the hoarder of all this wealth, not as the owner and possessor and holder of all this wealth, but to see it as an accumulation of opportunity, and you are the steward now of that opportunity. And it doesn't mean that giving something away results in having nothing. It starts to show us that in fact, giving something away can actually increase it. Sharing can actually increase. It's not a risk to give if the thought of the gift is the proliferation of wonderful things. We're trapped in our own thoughts about money. And money is a program that there's a lot of value in breaking it down and tearing it down for you. But what if, you know, we shifted this word of abundance to not mean lots of money, but to mean lots of peace and lots of happiness, to mean lots of experience, to mean lots of comfort, of friends, lots of adventure, right? And then you can examine that and say, well, what's an adventure to me? And how much money do I need for that adventure? Right? And how much of that money can I just generate for myself? And how much of that money do I need to save up? And how much of that money might be available to me in other ways? You know, there's a common story going around the internet of the woman who said, I just really want to travel the world to take pictures. And then she reached out to the publishers of the magazines that you get on airplanes and said, I would like to travel. Would you sponsor my travel so I could take these pictures and you can publish them in your magazine? And they said, That would be really great. In fact, we'll pay you a salary and you write stories for us and go take pictures. And now she's just out there doing what she dreamed of that seemed absolutely impossible to her when she measured abundance completely on how much money she had in the bank.

SPEAKER_04 25:01

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 25:02

And what she really wanted was an abundance of experience and an abundance of opportunity to use her cameras to take pictures of amazing things so they could be shared with people. Right. It was breaking down that I those ideas into what they really meant to her that caused an incredible shift and also caused in her this thing that we keep talking about. If you can completely let go of the past, which includes all your past programs, if you can completely let go of the past in your mind, that's when the opportunities of possibilities start to blossom, right? And then you can start to follow your impulses, your instincts, your your inspirations, right? And to say to yourself, it's not that I want to be special, I want to be me. I don't want to be unique. If we have all these thoughts about money, this is only a few people can be rich, and they're special people and they have special abilities. Well, what does it mean to be rich? If I have everything that I need to do whatever I want, right? And maybe all I want is to go fishing. And if all I want is to go fishing, then I need a boat, I need fish and rod, I need a shovel so I can dig up some worms, I need time. I want an abundance of time. It's not an abundance of money that will answer that problem. Anyway, I'm just I'm just going with what's coming to me.

Turning Money Into Time And Experience

SPEAKER_04 26:37

No, I think that's wonderful. Yeah, it's funny. I uh while we were sitting here, I I before or just after, just after we started the podcast, I pulled a card and I thought I'm not really into that card. And then I w while Les was chatting, I I pulled a card and then this one fell out again. The one that I wasn't too interested in. And it was the Rainmaker. Which is so I don't know what's the word, pointed for this. I don't know what the other court card means. Pachamama. Not sure I'll have to look that up. Yeah, I think I I I I do believe that until there's surface level how do I say this? There's there there's money programs. And today we're focusing on mundy, money, but I think it's just natural when we when we talk about abundance to sort of slip into that. But I think there are surface level programs with money that we generally can tap into. I do think that when you suddenly have the opportunity and know deep inside that wealth or money in any form is coming to you, that's when the deeper programs start to like a like a little volcano start to rise to the top. And ones that you just had no idea were there. I see this with clients who maybe get a way better job and now they've got more abundance in in wealth. And I've never worked with anybody that's had this happen that I know of at least. But we hear about it all the time. People win the lottery, and within a year, or I don't know what the stats are, but within a certain time period, they've they're they're broke again. And I think that when wealth is on our doorstep suddenly, it can be a head spinner, right? Because we we just excuse me, we just don't know how to handle it at the nervous system level. And I think if you know wealth is is coming to you, whether it's a new job or something, uh I think it's really good to get to to start to delve into those programs and just knowing that they are just stories. They're just stories from ancestors, from society, uh from people with money that don't want you to have money. Just tons and tons and tons of stories that that are just stories to let go of. And it's I'm not saying it's easy to just put them all down, but it's certainly worthwhile to start to think about putting them down, especially if you know that abundance is coming your way in some form. Yeah, it's my spiel.

Rainmaker Lessons And Closing Takeaways

SPEAKER_01 30:03

I think that that we need to break down the programs into their parts and understand them. I think that's the value of spending time in things like meditation and things like hypnosis and things like journaling, understanding our own thoughts, understanding where they come from, understanding how they they can create barriers to our own life experiences and joys. The way we interpret things, as much as it might appear accurate, isn't always accurate. So when you pulled the Rainmaker card, I thought about the rain. And my reaction was, oh, but people like the sunshine and people like the green grass. And then to realize if what I want is an abundance of beautiful greenness all around me, lush greenness, and I want to be able to sit in the sun and enjoy it, then I do want an abundance of rain, because I cannot have it without an abundance of rain. And now I become aware that just because it's raining right now, that doesn't that that's not an interference with my abundance. That's the the cultivation of the abundance that I'm seeking, and that things operate that way. I need to go beyond my immediate, I want this, to how does that come about? Yeah, right, and then it's not about I want the sun to shine today, it's about I want the cycles to be in tune and fruitful, and I want to observe that. I don't want to control that, I want to control myself, to be out there in my chair on those beautiful sunny days and in my home grateful on the days that it rains. Because I know where that's leading me. I believe that yeah, we need to get greater in touch with what we want, abundance of money is a means to an end, yeah, and having limitless amounts in no way leads to happiness if you don't know what the end is you want from that money, if you don't have clear in your mind what you want abundance of in your life, and an understanding of how this world of money is just, you know, like Brian, our buddy Brian, and you can listen to his program on our school. You know, I love the idea money is medicine, money is a means to an end, it's not an end in itself. So, what do you want abundance of and pursue that?

SPEAKER_04 33:07

Yeah. Which is not really something that we normally ask ourselves.

SPEAKER_01 33:12

Heck no.

SPEAKER_04 33:13

We just get stuck at the beginning of it.

SPEAKER_01 33:16

Well, it's the program. And sometimes we have to ask ourselves, where did that program come from? And what are the complications of that program? Because some of us have a lot of issues around money. Some of us, all of us, really.

SPEAKER_04 33:29

Yeah, I think even even those with money have issues with money. Maybe they're not the same issues, but I know people with money that have the issue of there's never enough.

SPEAKER_03 33:41

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 33:41

They literally could probably be like billionaires and and still think it's not enough, you know?

SPEAKER_01 33:48

Some people have abundance and they're waiting for tomorrow.

SPEAKER_03 33:51

Yeah. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 33:53

There is abundance now and the opportunity to have abundance now, but they're not clear what they want abundance of. And they're waiting for tomorrow. So I suppose, you know, today being prompted to talk about abundance is just another, it's another thing that we hold in our mind that has a meaning that maybe doesn't necessarily mean that. In fact, maybe has no meaning except the meaning we put upon it. And the meaning we put upon it comes from the programs of our experiences and the words of those who have been in positions of authority over us and with us over our lives. And that maybe some of those programs really don't serve us well. And they have us pursuing things we don't want. And maybe this world is showing us now very clearly that having a lot of money is not of itself the great thing without the clarity of your own mind's desires, right? Mackenzie Scott, quite apparently, I don't know her mind, but it quite apparently her mind includes the promotion of good things going on in the world that don't fit in the business world.

SPEAKER_04 35:15

Yeah. I always think the what the woman that comes to my mind, or the per the person. It's not, I think men and women are into giving back and and everything, but is Arlene Dickinson. I feel like she is uh I don't know her. I've always wanted to know her, but I feel I feel like uh she is someone that is wealthy and in a way quietly wealthy and in a way giving, you know, and working with people and helping them develop. And you know, anyway, there's lots of people out there that are have an abundance of wealth and are just quiet, quietly living their lives, and we seem to see the ones that are very loud.

SPEAKER_01 36:07

The contrasts are out there if you look for them. Yeah, and the contrast will help you know what you want. What do I want in the world? What kind of world do I want to see around me?

SPEAKER_04 36:19

Yeah. So on that note, we are going to go for the day and have a beautiful day out there. Good start to your week, and we will see you later.