Life Between Lives Work Starts When You Shift Your Context - Part 2

We start with a quiet spring morning and use it as a doorway into bigger questions about consciousness and the life between lives. We unpack how hypnosis can shift your context, soften old programming, and turn spiritual ideas into felt experience. 
• life between lives as an exploration for people already open to being more than a body 
• meditation and self-observation as the first “crack in the doorway” 
• hypnosis shifting interpretation and expanding context 
• moving from intellectual belief into embodied experience of being loved 
• the subconscious critical factor and why it resists new ideas 
• noticing thoughts as habits and reclaiming “I am the thinker” 
• Hillary’s tunnel-of-light and out-of-body style experiences during sleep 
• hypnosis as relaxation plus intention and focus 
• skepticism as learned conditioning shaped by culture and early life 
• scientific debates about materialism and studying non-physical phenomena 
• feeling supported through guides and reducing the sense of aloneness 
• swapping “what could go wrong?” for questions that build creativity and thriving 
Feel free to go on there and pose a question 
Look out for that post 

Transcript

Spring Morning On The Water

SPEAKER_01 0:10

We are on the line.

SPEAKER_00 0:12

Hanging out with the ducks. There's little wood ducks, there's little merganzers, there's geese on the lawn next door. The ice is cleared right up to the shore in some spots. And they're going to town. I don't know what to eat on the bottom, but they eat stuff off the bottom. Because they're always bum in the air and head down in the water. And they particularly like the shallow water because I think they don't have to reach as far.

SPEAKER_01 0:38

I'm sure there's little gremlins down there that are waking up from the long winter's nap and they're eating them, maybe.

SPEAKER_00 0:47

Who is that? That's a little birdie. Right into the window. They're all coming back to life. They're all to I went out this morning to go to the garage, and the sounds in the trees are unbelievable. Oh man, they're just all singing and chirping and going to town. You don't know how much you miss that till it's gone, till it comes back, actually.

SPEAKER_01 1:08

Yes, exactly.

SPEAKER_00 1:09

Until it's back. And I'm loving it. And it looks like there's almost enough ice gone for me to put the dock in.

SPEAKER_01 1:18

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 1:18

Wonder if we'll do a podcast off the dock.

SPEAKER_01 1:21

One last.

SPEAKER_00 1:22

One last. Sun's breaking over the horizon. It's a bit overcast. Doesn't bother the ducks. So we won't let it bother us.

SPEAKER_01 1:33

That's right.

SPEAKER_00 1:34

That's right.

SPEAKER_01 1:35

So last Friday. Was it Friday? Yeah. We spoke about life between lives and foundations of it. And basically covered how like what the beginnings of it were. Obviously for God knows how many years humans have been experiencing spiritual awakenings in all kinds of forms and spiritual journeys, whether random through meditation or maybe even psychedelics. But I guess, you know, to speak about what what less very well, you know, uh very explained very well on Friday was the beginnings of it in terms of using the life between lives to receive information and to log information and to build this this realm, I suppose, and use it in a in a therapeutic sense for people.

SPEAKER_00 2:44

Well, anything that helps you feel better, I consider to be therapeutic. I think our feelings are really good indicators of what's going on inside us. We should listen to them. And I think that yeah, I think there are people who are predisposed to see themselves as more than just a physical body, and to see reality as encompassing more than just what you can experience with your five senses. And those people who break through into a willingness to be aware that there's more to me than that, I think the journey is now I think it feels endless. The journey becomes an exploration of all of these things. For me, I see people who just meditate, and that meditation, that practice of meditation, that taking the time to just sit calmly and observe your mind rather than have it lead you around by your nose, to observe their mind and realize that they are the awareness behind the mind. They're not this endless stream of thoughts that the subconscious mind keeps pumping out. That's that's a crack in the doorway. That's that's an opening, that's beginning to explore. So I would say that life between lives is a few steps beyond that. Once you've realized, once you've come to a conclusion, once you've come to an awareness, I think is the best word, that you are something more than this body and the stream of thoughts flowing through it. Once you become aware of that and you start this journey of exploration, this is where hypnosis goes from trying to assist the subconscious mind to reframe things so that you suffer less. Hypnosis starts to become a tool for exploration. And it became that for me early on because when I used it for therapeutic purposes, I quickly fell into past life experiences.

SPEAKER_02 5:12

Yeah.

Hypnosis As Context Shift

SPEAKER_00 5:13

And and then my hypnotist took me into the life between lives. I didn't even know that was coming. And and so I I think that yeah, the the best way to think of life between lives is somebody who is already open to the idea that they're not alone, that they didn't begin here and they don't end here, that this is an experience rather than the totality of who and what you are. And once you've once you've broken into that space, that that mindset, then life between lives becomes a really, really I think the word powerful is overused. It's it becomes a very shifting. It it becomes an experience that shifts, shifts your context. And you've you've heard me talk lots about context. It shifts your context, it shifts the way you see yourself, it shifts the way you see others, it shifts the way you see this experience of life, opens the door for different interpretations. I mean, that's the magic of hypnosis. The magic of hypnosis is that we realize that we have a program inside us that's causing us to interpret things a certain way, and that's creating repetitive emotions and repetitive behaviors, right? And so when we when we realize that there are other ways to interpret what's going on around us, that's when we're open to expanding our context, right? And that's when we're open to really, really big ideas. Yeah. Like you can say, you know, and as we as I get clients to say all the time, I am lovable. Once that becomes the truth, it's like, uh-oh.

SPEAKER_01 7:07

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 7:07

Well, what is what is life really going on around me?

SPEAKER_01 7:11

And I think if I can interject here, uh I think when Les says, when that becomes the truth, that comes from say reading books about how you're lovable to the experience of that light. A lot of clients say, well, I'm in a light, it's lovely, it's peaceful, it's relaxing, and I feel held, I feel loved. And so it moves from the part of the mind that is, I don't know if if I if I'm using the right word, Les correct me if I'm not, but like intellectualizing the idea of lovability and then and then experiencing it. So it's almost like I'm no scientist, but like it's almost like it gets logged in another part of your mind, the awe part of your mind, right? The the wow, the weird.

SPEAKER_00 8:12

It's a nice way to put it, you know. Uh yeah, it goes from your conscious mind into your deeper subconscious mind, and then it becomes part of the program that runs you. And and that's really where it belongs.

SPEAKER_02 8:27

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 8:28

And, you know, that's that's the process I use with my clients all the time is we we start with the conscious mind. We start with an idea. You know, the subconscious mind has the critical factor, and the critical factor says, you know, don't trust, don't always accept what you're told. Does this fit with all my prior programming? Does this fit with my view of the world, my context? So when people are talking intellectually, as you say, using their conscious mind, they're throwing ideas around, and the subconscious mind is throwing up the occasional blocker. You know, that's a load of hooey. And, you know, these woo-woo people are nuts, or you know, there's no scientific evidence for that. Or that's not what my mother told me.

SPEAKER_01 9:18

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 9:18

Uh, that's not what my minister told me.

SPEAKER_01 9:21

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 9:22

It runs up against these blocks. But when the conscious mind can say, you know, this makes sense. This is just, I've analyzed this from six different angles, and it just makes sense. And even though the subconscious mind is saying, uh, you might not want to be just thinking that way, that could be dangerous, you know, that might get us hurt. The subconscious mind is throwing up resistance, as we say. The conscious mind can see the truth of it. And so for me, hypnosis always starts with that conversation where we break down some of the illogical things that we've never taken the time to think about. You know, the the the simple idea that, you know, thoughts are coming into your mind all the time. Habitual, negative. They're there. You didn't put any effort into having them there. They just come there and they show up. And even when you don't want them there, somehow they appear. And the fact that you can notice not only that they're a stream of thoughts, but also that some of them you just don't like and you don't want to think. Right?

SPEAKER_02 10:35

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 10:35

That's a separation right there. Your stream of thoughts from who you really are. You're not the thoughts.

SPEAKER_02 10:45

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 10:46

You're the mind that produces the thoughts. More importantly, you're the mind that can observe the thoughts and decide whether or not you like them. And you can see them then as habits. And then your intellectual self can say, well, wait a second, a habit is just something you do over and over and over till you do it without thinking about it. Right? It's a beautiful definition of habit. Action without thought.

SPEAKER_02 11:12

Yeah.

You Are The Awareness Behind Thoughts

SPEAKER_00 11:12

Right? It's a beautiful, simple definition. So if these things are habits and I'm able to observe them, then the truth of the statement, I am not my thoughts, I am the thinker. I can change my thoughts, starts to be true. And now the subconscious mind that's in the business of producing all of those thoughts, keeping them flowing, keeping them going, trying to keep you safe, just churning all these things, all these worries, all these concerns, all these little resentments and angers, all these little guilts that don't seem to go away because, you know, we want to keep you safe. So you should be thinking all these things all the time. Now the subconscious mind is open to the idea, well, maybe this is not a good practice. Maybe this isn't actually helpful. Maybe these sets of negative thoughts are really not getting us anywhere and actually getting in the way of what we want. Right. And soon, with a little bit of effort, habits can change, right? So we need intellectually, I think, to see the truth to make it easy for the subconscious mind to consider, or more importantly, just to simply reconsider, to reconsider what it normally produces as thoughts.

SPEAKER_02 12:40

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 12:41

But this is the magic point, right? If I'm the awareness behind my mind, then who am I, really?

SPEAKER_01 12:49

Doo-doo doo doo.

SPEAKER_00 12:54

For some people, that's exactly the experience, right? Like for some people, it's like, whoa. I never thought of it that way. And that's my favorite phrase. When I hear somebody say, Oh, I never thought of it that way. That's my favorite phrase to hear. And then hypnosis becomes possible. Anyway, I think that what we're really driving at is that life between lives isn't for everyone. And everybody's at a different point on the journey. The path is long. We're all going to walk the whole thing. And everybody's at their own place. For us as hypnotists, we try to recognize sort of the place that you're at, and then you tell us where you want to go. And then we help guide you into your mind where you discover the things that are interfering with them and reconsider them. And so life between lives becomes a sort of an experience for those who are very aware that they are the awareness behind their mind. They are very aware of their own doubts, their own personal doubts about death being an ending. Their own personal doubts that you know, WYSIWYG, what you see is what you get. If you don't see it, it isn't real. They doubt that.

unknown 14:49

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 14:49

Hillary gets those clients all the time because Hillary talks about this stuff all the time. What's your fascination with this anyway? Where does that come from? Put you on the spot a bit.

SPEAKER_01 15:00

I think because I've had snippets of experiences with it. You know, I've had, I talked about this recently on an interview that just came out a couple weeks ago. I've had experiences where I'm in a tunnel traveling at light speed into light. Also another experience where I'm floating up from my body and into the light. And then I chose, you know, not yet. I was ready to go. I was like, this is amazing. I'm okay with this. But I chose the last second to stay. I'll never know for those listening and wondering, well, did she die? I'll never know if I actually died. I've had sleeping, major sleeping issues, problems my whole life almost. But I don't know, maybe I did stop breathing because both of them happened during sleep. But anyway, those sort of set me on a path of becoming uh really interested in in the spiritual realm. I mean, the first one in the tunnel happened when I was 21, I'm gonna guess. That's the number I've been kind of going with. And 21, I didn't know any of this stuff. Like, I didn't know about Raymond Moody and you know, like life between lives or past life regression. I had no idea. And it happened, and I was moved and I was wowed, and I sort of let it go. And then 10 years later, another experience happened. And so throughout my years, I've I've been more and more interested in that realm, I guess, that area and connecting with that that space. I go into that space just randomly in my mind. I try to connect with it, I try to connect with guides or a team and just have questions answered. Sometimes it works, sometimes I question myself uh are these words that are coming through really, you know, for real? And so I'm always trying to experience little snippets of it in different ways. But I think without those two experiences where I really would I felt like I was there. Like it's not just me thinking of a memory like what did I have for breakfast yesterday? When I think of those two experiences, like I'm there, I'm speaking to you from those experiences, if that makes sense. So yeah, those I I think if I didn't have those experiences, maybe I wouldn't have delved into this as much as I have. But yeah, that's where I come come to it from.

SPEAKER_00 17:58

So this is an experience that's available to people. Maybe you can answer the question and then I'll answer the question.

SPEAKER_02 18:10

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 18:11

You know, why hypnosis? Like how hypnosis? What is it about hypnosis that makes this experience possible?

SPEAKER_01 18:19

For other people or myself, or what for everyone. For everyone. Oh, okay.

SPEAKER_00 18:24

We use hypnosis to get people there.

SPEAKER_01 18:26

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 18:27

Right? I generally do it towards the end of their hypnotic journey, and we've been in and out of hypnosis at least four or five times at this point.

SPEAKER_02 18:36

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 18:37

So they've become my my my clients have become very good at following the directions to get into a deep theta state, hypnotic state, a subnamulistic, somnambuistic state. You know, they've become practiced at slowing their minds and not falling asleep.

SPEAKER_01 19:02

Yes.

SPEAKER_00 19:03

Right. So with that said, like, why is it? What why do we use hypnosis to do this?

SPEAKER_01 19:09

Well, if I'm understanding your question correctly, uh I think hypnosis, when we go into hypnosis, we're more relaxed. And just for anyone listening, the relaxation doesn't have to be like puddle of mud, you know, or a blob, you know. It can be it it goes between lighter relaxed and deeper relaxed and back and forth. And so we do reach a level of relaxation. And I think when we reach those levels of relaxation, and our intention is to question our reality or what we think is real, or to bring our guides to us, or to move into let's say, a light-filled realm. I think because we're in hypnosis, which is again for anyone listening, just relaxation paired with intention and focus, I think it's much easier to reach that space. I think it's much easier to be open to the answers that might come to you from a guide or from the light or yeah, from just anybody or anything that's meant to work with you that day for your highest good. And just like when we're working with people on their emotional level, on their emotions, right, they are way more open to receiving answers to change the way they think about their life and and their emotions and their and their troubles, you know, programs and patterns and habits. And the reason, you know, if we're, I don't know, if we're to say the reason why is because let just like Les said in the very beginning of the podcast, the subconscious mind is way more open to saying, okay, I can I can maybe get on board with this.

unknown 21:16

Right.

SPEAKER_01 21:17

And so during hypnosis, it's much easier for the mind to get on board with, oh, maybe I am lovable. Hmm, maybe I can let that pattern and program go because it's really not for my highest good anymore, right? Maybe it was never for my highest good, but maybe it was just a protection when I was younger. And thank you for that protection, mind. But now I'm an adult and I can take it from here. But to think about it in life between lives sense. People are coming to the table with questions that are Am I on my path? What's my next step?

SPEAKER_00 21:59

We want to talk.

How We Learn To Dismiss Experience

SPEAKER_01 22:01

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah. So it's uh it's wide open for people to to look at their lives differently and to take it in with awe and with the subconscious mind at that level saying, Yeah, okay, I can get on board with this. How about you?

Feeling Supported By Guides

SPEAKER_00 22:24

Well, I just want to talk briefly about the the uh well, maybe I should just stick to what the question and then go on to this. But I do want to talk uh about sort of the programming we we have entering into this. You know, hypnosis is a tool not dissimilar from meditation, where we simply try to turn down our awareness of the outside world and shift our awareness to the inside world. And so without that shift, and most importantly, without turning off the outside world, because the outside world is coming at you like all the time. Like there's our mind is juggling worries and problems constantly, and we're constantly looking out there at the world and people and things that cause us fear and frustration, and and so you know, we're used to living from the inside out, focused on the out. And so it's difficult at first for most people to turn that awareness around and shift it, focusing it inward. And so for me, it it requires a certain amount of practice. Some people find their way into my chair, and they have never spent even a minute without constant mental activity that they embrace and that they've come to think of as helpful, and that they've come to think of as the normal state. Right? Everyone's experience in their mind is slightly different, I suppose, because everyone has got their own mind. There's lots of similarities and there's lots of commonalities. The fact that it's a very busy place, very busy, busy, busy, is very common. How it's busy, what kind of busyness they experience, that that varies, that changes, and that shifts a little bit. But you know, addressing that busyness and bringing it to a state of calm. You know, I I use a lot with people the simple, if they can't seem to calm their mind, they can't seem to stop analyzing everything we're doing. I just tell them, you know, consider every thought that you have analyzing this as just uh something that we can deal with later and just set it aside. And we often imagine a table and we just take that those thoughts that we think we I want an answer to this, just put them on the table. You can pick them back up later. Let's just put them down, right? We're not we're not dismissing them, but we're not dealing with them right now. We're dealing with something else. And it's a neat little analogy, a metaphor that works for a lot of people, not everybody. But when we get to the place where the mind can be shifted inward, it's amazing what you can find. And I guess this leads me to the point I really wanted to make. I think it's important to recognize that if you happen to have a point of view that says, you know, this is all woo-woo. I don't know if I could trust this. I don't think this is very scientific. I don't, I don't know that it's real because I have such a good imagination. I want you to realize that you've been trained that way, that that's a program. That's not a question. You're not asking a question. You're making a statement and building a wall against a possible experience you could have. And that comes very, very early in our lives. And we live in a society that really, really values intelligence and really, really values the scientific method as almost the only way to know anything, which of course isn't true, but we have been trained the instant we could think that the really smart people don't believe in this stuff. The really, really smart people think this is all imagination and creation. And we accept that program early on, and because we want to be smart and we want to take care of ourselves and we need to be afraid of people who think things that we don't think, um, we have a natural resistance to this. We have a natural tendency to say, I don't know. I, you know, that sounds a little kind of weird to me. Well, of course it would with that kind of a background and programming. What a lot of people don't know is that there's a whole body of scientists and a whole scientific movement that is very much counter to that particular scientific point of view, that materialist scientific point of view. There are thousands of scientists out there who are calling out their colleagues, scientists, and they're they're they're calling BS. They're saying, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. You can't deny the existence of these phenomena. You can't explain them away. They are phenomena that you need to consider that actually challenge your very, very rigid materialist point of view. And there's books about it that basically try to essentially create the scientific case that scientists who deny this stuff are actually being very unscientific. And so a lot of people aren't aware of that. And so, you know, I'll refer you to a book, The Spiritual Mind. I forget who the guy was. I'll put it in the notes on the school. And essentially, he spends a lot of time examining the possibility that the materialist perspective is inadequate. And that there are many, many scientists who believe that science can study exactly these things that are non-physical and can add insight, and that studying these things can add insight into who and what we are. But I guess to simplify, realize that if you have a resistance to this stuff, it's really just a function of your programming. That when you watch little kids, little kids, two years old, three years old, they say and do really weird things. And we don't want them doing it because at this age, they're still predisposed to see themselves not as a physical human being trapped in a body in a world that's constantly out to attack them. They're able to see themselves more joyfully, uh more expansively, more excitedly. And it is the training that we put upon them that creates the barriers to the openness, to the idea that I could turn my attention inward and travel my deepest mind nature to an awareness of a broader context, a deeper understanding of who I really am. And more most importantly to me, it's just my opinion, most importantly, to the idea that you're not alone, that you are cared for and supported by others just like you who are not at this time in this physical. I'm gonna use the word matrix. To me, that's huge. You know, I'm not alone, I'm not on my own here. I'm not really separate from everything. I'm part of the whole.

SPEAKER_01 30:32

Sometimes when we go back in time, when I have somebody who's struggling with that feeling of aloneness, we go back to when they were like a baby or one, two years old. And I I say, now open your sight to everyone that's around you. And suddenly there's guides, there's grandma, there's grandpa, there's there's beings there that are that are helping you, or just being there, right? As energetic support. And so again, like we were saying in the beginning, this idea of you know, reading about experiences versus experiencing it, in that moment, there can be a lot of that lifted. There can be a lot of that that feeling alone dissipating. And, you know, I can't say that it's gone forever and all gone, you know, in that session, but it certainly is helpful. And, you know, I think about the life between lives, it doesn't always have to be going into a realm of uh of light and going to pre-birth planning and soul groups and council and all the stuff that comes along with it. I think life between lives, the the elements can be experienced in many sessions. If you have a question for your guide, I think speaking with your guide, that can be part of, let's say, life between. So maybe you've done a session and you've already experienced the life between and didn't even know it really. If you have a guide there helping you out, then that's part of it. Because that's what we do in life between lives, mainly, right? Like people come to me because I talk about it online. And, you know, we'll set out on a journey with, you know, over 10 questions, maybe 10 to 15 questions, depending. And we'll go specifically to the life between. But sometimes we just integrate parts of it in a session. Yeah. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 32:52

I think it's it's the beginning of a journey and a discovery. I think it can become an invitation to a different way of functioning. It can certainly help you start to move towards the things that you've always wanted to have do or be. Understanding what's limiting your ability to have do or be those things is probably, for the most part, just programs that you've been raised with that are meant to keep you safe, but what the only thing they're keeping you safe from is the life you've always wanted.

SPEAKER_01 33:33

Yeah. Yeah. And you might ask yourself, well, why would my mind keep me safe from that? Like, why would I do that to myself? Well, just know that whatever's keeping you from doing that is remembering a time when you were very young and where branching out and feeling expansive, and maybe something happened where a parent said something as silly as, what are you doing? Don't be silly. And that's it. That's all it takes. The walls go up, the part comes into play, and now it's protecting you from feeling the feeling that you may have had when your mom or dad said that or somebody said that. That's all it that's all it is.

SPEAKER_00 34:19

And it's programmed, right? And you get good at asking yourself. We get programmed into thinking, we're smart to ask ourselves what could go wrong.

SPEAKER_02 34:28

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 34:29

And we're not smart to ask ourselves that question. It's not smart, it's not a useful question, right? It's more about what can I learn?

SPEAKER_02 34:39

Yeah, right?

SPEAKER_00 34:41

How will I thrive? That's a different program. How will I use my creativity?

SPEAKER_02 34:47

Right?

SPEAKER_00 34:47

Different program altogether.

SPEAKER_02 34:49

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 34:50

But we get programmed, and fear is a program, and stepping through that program into an awareness of the truth, yeah, changes everything.

SPEAKER_01 35:02

Yeah. So tomorrow we're going to be asking questions about the life between. I think in school I'm gonna post, we'll see what happens with it, but I'm gonna post questions for the life between. And feel free to go on there and pose a question. We'll try to get to most all of them. If if there's tons of them, we can't get to all of them, but we'll definitely give it a go.

SPEAKER_00 35:28

And and what questions would you have?

SPEAKER_01 35:31

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 35:31

If you were to have a life between lives experience, if you were there face to face, yeah, face to face with your higher self and your guides, and you're at the place where you planned this life, that you were in the location where you exist forever. You know, what would you want to know?

SPEAKER_01 35:48

Yeah. I had a good question in the chat just now, tomorrow or Wednesday. So on that note, we have changed the podcast. We we realize and recognize that having days off between making a podcast just takes us kind of away from the topic, and we get on.

SPEAKER_00 36:09

Well, it took a week of that to realize uh nope, that's not a good idea.

SPEAKER_01 36:13

So, what we're gonna do is we're gonna do Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday mornings. So that way we get a bank of podcasts in and probably have them as like a part one, part two, part three of a series of a topic. Okay. So that's gonna be tomorrow, Tuesday, and and we'll see you then. But thank you for hanging out, everybody. Les do you have anything to add?

SPEAKER_02 36:40

No, no, all right.

SPEAKER_01 36:43

Thank you for joining us. And look out for that post. I'll I'll do up that post in the next few minutes in the school, and yeah, we will see you later.