Coffee With Hilary and Les from State of Mind Hypnosis and Training Centre

How To Stop Suffering Over What You Can’t Control

Hilary & Les Season 4 Episode 68

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We get honest about the strange suffering of waiting for something you can’t force, using our six-month home sale limbo as the real-life backdrop. We explore how resistance turns into blame and rumination, then practice a cleaner pivot: shifting attention toward hope by asking “What do I want?”
• the stress of selling a home and living in limbo
• how “should” thinking creates unnecessary suffering
• why blame fuels anger and never fixes conditions
• Stoicism as choosing your response over control
• Taoism and the “be like water” model of adaptation
• Buddhism on attachment, resistance, and the source of suffering
• using awareness and attention as a practical lever
• manifestation as a hopeful mental experiment, not a guarantee
• the question “What do I want?” as a doorway to possibility
• letting go as stepping back from the wall
• finding support through friends, yoga, and online community


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Summer Morning And Nature Check-In

SPEAKER_00

We are on the line.

SPEAKER_03

Yes, once again, finally back on a most magnificent, calm, warm beginning of summer morning. The yard has never looked this good.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah, even for the wedding party.

SPEAKER_03

This is the best our gardens and yards have ever looked. Oh, pretty close.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03

And we have big, beautiful blossoming bundles of flowers hanging around the deck. We have all of our friends, you know, the cardinals, the gross beaks, nuthatches, and the finches, and the orioles, and the hummingbirds, and they're all coming around and visiting. The geese are now getting ready to get their flying wings. The little ones are now about half the size of a goose.

SPEAKER_02

Yeah. Yeah.

SPEAKER_03

I just saw a duck swing around and land in a little spiral, which was kind of cute.

SPEAKER_00

Very lucky.

SPEAKER_03

The eagles are regularly over in the trees staring at us.

SPEAKER_00

There's a little chipmunk down there looking for food.

SPEAKER_03

The bullfrogs have been singing up a storm at night. The full moon had them really going last.

SPEAKER_00

Oh my gosh. Yeah. And every time Tyke went out to pee, they'd start up. I knew she was out there. Oh boy.

Six Months Trying To Sell

SPEAKER_03

And here we are whining because we can't sell our house.

SPEAKER_02

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03

For six months we've been trying to sell our house. And we've been trying to do everything right, whatever we're told by our wonderful real estate agents. We love them. And we try to do what we think is smart and good. And yet here we sit suffering.

SPEAKER_00

Suffering. I I was thinking about, and I know I hope this doesn't veer us off topic. I don't think it I think it's just a little bit in the center, but you know those those things they say like cause in your lifetime, they're the biggest stressful, you know, like moving, divorce. I don't know, other changing jobs. Changing jobs. And I get the moving part, but I'm gonna add on to the selling part. You know, I think that's you're sort of in this limbo of you just don't know what's next. And you hope that that only lasts a few weeks. But when it lasts six months, it's like, okay, what's what's going on? What do we do?

Dealing With What You Can’t Control

SPEAKER_03

So in our in my in in our podcast typical long-winded way, we're getting to the point that our topic is how do you deal with things beyond your control? Right? It's it's an enormous task because as beings, there's so much beyond our control.

SPEAKER_02

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03

And there are so many life conditions that show themselves to be problematic and cause a great deal of suffering. And so, since this is the stuff we're engaged in, this is the practices we're engaged in, thought it'd be a good topic. Like the world is filled with stuff nobody wants right now, right? Nobody wants interest rates up or mortgages up, nobody wants credit card rates up, nobody wants governments, you know, ignoring people and creating wars and and causing instability financially. Nobody wants, you know, to be in situations where their family and friends are at risk. Yes. You know, we're watching people we love go through hard times in this difficult world where it's hard to get a job, it's hard to keep a job, it's hard to be, you know, secure. You know, that there's I keep coming back in my head to this whole war thing that's having a globalized impact. People's right down to people's ability to choose in the grocery store what they eat. And all of that is so incredibly

Why Resistance Turns Into Anger

SPEAKER_03

beyond their control. Yeah. I think that we are naturally acting beings. We want to do something. I mean, certainly, you know, it's one of those things I was raised as, as a as a young man into a man. What are you gonna do about it?

SPEAKER_01

Right?

SPEAKER_03

What are you gonna do? And we're compelled to do. We're compelled to act. We're compelled to try to control. But there are things that we cannot control, and that's okay, except when we resist them, when we judge them. This is bad. This shouldn't be this way. Things shouldn't be different. And we embrace those shoulds and we suffer. And it doesn't matter what is the thing in your life that you're resisting right now, right? Everybody's got their thing. We've got our thing. And it causes us to think about what's going on in our mind that is creating the suffering that we're fixated on, right? Because we don't think about a lot other than the things we don't like and why they shouldn't be, and how they're unfair, and how this whole thing is wrong, and it's got to be somebody else's fault. And that I think is one of the really dangerous aspects of this. So when it's beyond our control, we still see it as under someone else's control, and we see that as unfair, and that makes us angry. And that anger makes us want to blame whose fault is this? And then that triggers a hatred, right? It's not my fault, it's their fault. And there's lots of people out there trying to tell you whose fault it is, right? If we can blame these people or those people or the people who are right next door to us but are bad people because they're different from us, you know. There's lots of people out there trying to get you to blame. But the blame, it's one of the most insidious things, right? Blame locks in judgment and hatred, leads to attack, and never once solves the problem. And this is really normal mental activity. It's not helpful, but we go through it. I go through it, and you know, I think there's there's just a benefit right now to pause and be aware of it. Whatever the conditions are in your life that are not what you want, if there's nothing you can do to change it, your resistance is wasted energy and attention and effort.

SPEAKER_00

But like, if I can interject here, you know, what am I supposed to do? Just go along with all the prices, price gouging, uh, you know, like what am I what am I supposed to do?

SPEAKER_03

That is a beautiful question because it flows from the realization that my resistance and my mental activity of suffering is not help. It's not good for me. It is, it's not changing anything, and it's putting me in a very difficult place because I'm not approaching the rest of my life with any happiness or joy. I'm not approaching the people I love with love. I'm not approaching my life with hope and goals and desires. I'm not doing any of that. So, what am I supposed to do is a great question because that's the question that says I realize what I am doing is pointless. And that was the rise of so many philosophical schools, really, right? That question human beings have been facing for a long, long time. Well, if there's nothing I can do about this, what am I supposed to do with my frustration? What am I supposed to do with my fear? What am I supposed to do with all this anger?

Stoic, Taoist, And Buddhist Tools

SPEAKER_03

Right? And, you know, I I when we first started talking about this this morning, I thought about the Stoics, Stoicism, Stoic philosophy. You know, a few thousand years ago, there were some great leaders who embraced the idea that even in the face of conditions you can't change, you can still be yourself, be your best self. And, you know, they they were very much about accepting one's inability to make a difference, one's inability to control the circumstance. Taoism, which I love, it's its primary idea is that be water, be like water, function like water, which adapts to whatever is there.

SPEAKER_02

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03

Water shapes itself in whatever is holding it. At the same time, water is the most powerful thing because it's water that erodes mountains. It's water that shapes the path of a river. It seeks the lowest energy, it seeks rest, but it's not afraid of the action to get it there. In other words, water at the top of a mountain will go through massive streams and fast-running rivers to finally make its way to the ocean. You know, Buddhists are really focused on the idea of resistance, attachment, an attachment to what you think things should be. Resisting what is is a pointless effort unless you're going to do something about it. And if there's nothing that you can do about it, then resisting it is the exact opposite of what you should do. Buddhism, it's accept, allow, be aware of your own resistance. Sorry.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah, yeah, yeah. No, I'm I'm just I'm poking things, you know, like how am I how is somebody supposed to be happy when they're having a tough time every day, just paying their bills and and yeah, not not being where they want to be in life.

Attention As A Trainable Skill

SPEAKER_03

Well, I don't know that there's happiness being having your attention. So one of the the things I think is powerful about hypnosis is it teaches us that we have awareness and that awareness is under our control. We can choose what we're aware of. I can choose to look at the birds over there, or I can choose to look at my notes about my financial situation, or I can choose to look at my bank account, right? I can put my awareness a lot of places. And this is not about avoiding. This is about placing your awareness and your attention and your effort on the places where you can make a difference. So if I am realizing that I'm thinking about this situation over and over and over and over, I am suffering because I'm in resistance of it. I want it to change, and there's nothing I can do to make it change. And then I realize that the emergence of my suffering, the birth of my suffering is really my resistance to that which I cannot change.

SPEAKER_02

Right.

SPEAKER_03

Then I realize, and this is very Buddhist, that I am the source of my own suffering. My suffering doesn't come from the conditions. My suffering comes from my interpretation of the conditions and how they apply to me. And I will take that moment where I realize there's nothing I can do, and I will find myself paralyzed in it. So that's the magic moment.

SPEAKER_02

Right.

SPEAKER_03

The magic moment is when you realize that there's nothing I can do. The problem is that we'll sometimes choose to sit in our resistance. We will ruminate about how unfortunate our circumstances are, we will let that become a sort of a festering judgment of hatred and blame. Or again, we can see that these mental practices we have that are really normal and we don't need to be upset with ourselves are just not helping us. And when you can reach that place where you can say, I don't like this situation, but there's nothing I can do. And I'm really, really tired of suffering in this situation, of resisting it and fighting it and being angry and upset about it, and using my mind in that way is not helpful, then that's the invitation to shift your awareness, shift your attention, shift how you're using your mind, let go of the thought patterns that are not serving.

SPEAKER_02

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03

And so we have all these ancient schools of philosophy that have methods that are quite simple. They're a recognition of your, I don't like the word, but I'm going to use it because it's it's probably appropriate, powerlessness, my sense of my inability to have an impact on this, and shifting it now to that which you do have impact on. So all these philosophical schools, you know, I I love indigenous schools of thought that are very much about mimicking nature, watching nature. We we live where we live because of the nature that we get to be exposed to every day, all day long.

SPEAKER_02

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03

We just want more of that. We just want different of that, and we're impatient about getting it. Because there's a a market out there for homes in our area that has certain conditions in it that we didn't create, certain conditions in it that we can't change, and we're waiting to get what we want from a situation we don't control. So then it becomes, well, where do I put my mind? Where do I put my attention?

SPEAKER_02

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03

Where do I put my focus? And I think that just that question itself that is an acceptance that your mind is a flexible thing, that I am not my thoughts. I am the thinker, and I can choose what I think. And although I'm a problem solver, when I've used my problem solving capabilities to

Manifestation, Hope, And Pragmatism

SPEAKER_03

come to the conclusion, there's nothing more for me to do. I mean, there's not another blade of grass out of there for me to cut. Yeah. Right? The place is as clean as it has ever been.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah, seriously. Well, I think I see a hairball under it.

SPEAKER_03

We are in a place where there's nothing left for us to do.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah. I like to have you know, I I I go through having fun with manifestation and things that I think I think I have control. But then as I say it out loud, I wonder if the idea of manifestation is feeling in control or thinking that you have some form of control. But I like to think that, you know, when we say, oh, it's uh the market's doing its thing, I like to think, oh, I I operate outside the parameters of what the market is doing outside of that reality. I have my own reality. But that carries on for a little bit, and then you get you get uh taken down a notch, and then you try to get back to it, and then you get, you know, it's just this back and forth, back and forth. And that causes incredible emotional roller coasters.

SPEAKER_03

Well, what's beautiful about that is you've reached a point where you've examined conditions and now going beyond what you can do physically, you're now embracing the idea, what can I do mentally? What can I do mentally and emotionally, spiritually, if you were? What can I do to try to influence this situation that's beyond my physical control? That's a beautiful next step. It's hopeful, but it is a massive puzzle. You know, the quantum physicists are working their butts off over this. How do we, how does mental thought, how does human thought impact the collapsing of the field into certain conditions, right? There are philosophers out there, you know, embracing the idea of manifestation and trying to figure out what are the mental and emotional conditions that lead us to what appear to be otherwise miracles, appear to be changes. And miracles do happen, can't deny that they happen. They seem to happen, and that gives us hope. But again, this is just this is a nice little pleasant step away from the anger and resentment and blame and attack where this lack of control or apparent control will take us. And remembering that the suffering is all in my mind, right? People aren't aware of my suffering. They really don't want me to talk about it. So it's like I've got to be aware that the problem resides in me. And from there, what are my options? Option number one is I can shift my attention, and that can lead me to shifting to learning more about these schools of manifestation, these schools of thought that can lead me to these schools of thought of stoicism or pragmatism, which is really just really quite simply. How does me sitting here suffering serve a purpose? You know, pragmatism, pragmatism is a really simple philosophy, which is just what are you doing about it? And how is what you're doing helpful?

SPEAKER_02

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03

And sitting, thinking, ruminating, and suffering doesn't change a thing, takes you into a negative place and basically ruins your own life. So that's not helpful. So let's stop that. And that means shifting your attention and shifting your awareness. When we let go of the problem, right? When we focus on, let me say it this way. I've said this to clients, it's made a really big difference. When we focus on our problems, all we have are problems. When we focus on the solutions, all we have is hope. When we focus on the hope, the doors are wide open. You can you can come to anything from there.

SPEAKER_00

So, what would be just focusing on hope?

SPEAKER_03

So, this is the question that's been coming to us. I mean, I believe in my heart that our suffering here today is an invitation for us to help the world, that our podcast is out there impacting people, that there's nothing wrong with us talking about how we're working really, really hard on how we're using our mind to move towards solutions, and that you can use your

Ask The Question What Do I Want

SPEAKER_03

mind. And the thing that has been coming to us now for months is the question what do I want? What do I want? So we've done a bit of that, right? What do I want? Well, now we start checking out RV ads, right? And we start thinking about what would a perfect little RV be for our months of adventure as we move across the country. What would that look like? What do we want? And that changes our emotion immediately.

SPEAKER_02

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03

But if I know there's nothing I can do about the problem, it's time to let go of it. And then that question, what do I want, is an invitation towards, you know, what's possible.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah. I saw a comment on a video the other day, and I think it's a perfect comment for this moment. I think it's a teaching moment. The person was talking about sort of what we're talking about, in a way, manifestation or letting go. And someone commented, try to get it right. They said, but the feeling of getting let down is too big.

SPEAKER_03

Well, that's a mental habit, isn't it? And we all have tons and tons of mental habits that don't serve us. So that idea that we say over and over, step one, observe your mind. Be aware of what's going on in your mind. Not as the thinker, as the one who observes the thoughts. Right? So we have somehow learned a habit to be afraid of desire and hope and yearning because it might not happen. And for me, my reaction to that is you know, that you have to see the paralyzing nature of that thought process because it will make you never want anything. And that's not your nature. Your nature is to want to learn and expand and try and grow and experience. Yeah, that's your nature. So you have to see that as a program that has been installed that is against your very nature.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah. Yeah.

SPEAKER_03

And that not, you know, not getting what we want here is not the end of the story. And that in pursuit of what we want, often for most of us, when pursuit of what we want, we discover we want something else. We want something different. We want something more. What we want shifts and grows and changes and moves in different directions. The more we explore what we want, the more we start to really discover that what we thought we wanted isn't what we wanted, and what we really want is this. And that's kind of enjoyable, right? It's very childlike.

SPEAKER_02

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03

The child goes to the toy box looking for this particular toy, but sees something else that says, oh, and grabs that something else and brings it out, and then thinks, oh, I want this to go with this. And they go back to the toy box and then they see something else that's new. And they, oh, and now they shift again. And it's very, very joyous, and it's very, very curious, and it's very, very creative. And these are our true. Nature. So we have lots of thought patterns that take us off course and lead us towards suffering.

SPEAKER_02

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03

And that's that's the wake-up call. That's the that's the moment of discovery.

SPEAKER_00

So where does letting go fit on in all

Letting Go Using The Wall Analogy

SPEAKER_00

this? Because that's a big thing too, right? That we that we do is sort of like we've been told, lift our feet, let go, uh, give all this over to the universe, you know.

SPEAKER_03

So imagine yourself leaning against a wall, trying to move a wall. And so you lean harder and you lean harder and harder, and your shoulder starts to hurt. Then you shift and you push them with your back, and that starts to hurt. At some point or another, you're gonna wake up and say, I'm not moving this wall.

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Right.

SPEAKER_03

So the solution I had in mind, the action I was determined to conduct, it's not gonna happen. Not in the way that I thought of it anyway. So stop leaning on the wall, step back from the wall, and ask yourself, well, what do I want? Right. This I know it's a silly analogy, but it's it's very useful. What do I want? Well, what I want is to be on the other side of the wall. I don't have to push it over to get there. Some of the most beautiful things humans have created are the result of wanting something that physical conditions weren't allowing. So in letting go of my intentions and my plans, yeah, I create for myself the opportunity, right? As long as I'm focused on a thing, think about the mind. The mind's ability is only to be able to hold one thing at a time.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03

Right? I cannot put my attention on you and my attention on the birds at the same time.

SPEAKER_02

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03

And I can't look at you and the birds and cut the grass and make breakfast.

SPEAKER_02

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03

My attention can only be one place at a time. And while my attention is focused on trying to fix a problem with a specific action that has not worked and will not work, right? As long as my attention's there, nothing else can enter my attention, nothing else can become in my mind. I have to step back from this constant effort at things that aren't making a difference, except that they're not making a difference, for there ever to even be an opportunity for something else.

Refocus Without Losing Your Desire

SPEAKER_00

Yeah. So how sorry I'm on my hot seat here. How do you balance the letting go with the holding on to what you want?

SPEAKER_03

Well, going to what you want is a great way to let go.

SPEAKER_00

Because you're not worried about the steps in between?

SPEAKER_03

Because I'm not all about how. I'm not all about how I'm going to make this happen. And what do I need to do? And what are my actions that are necessary? When I say, well, there are no actions that I can engage, right? Then, well, what do I want? What is it that this is all about? And how can I spend some time there? Yeah. How can I spend some time just being present to my desire? And sometimes what we really want has nothing to do with the stuff we're suffering over that we're resisting, that we're fighting against, that we can't control. And we can take an awful lot of our energy and shift it there. I mean, as soon as you realize there's nothing more I can do, yeah, staying there, trying to do is just going to make you suffer. It serves no purpose. It's not going to solve the problem, right? It's embracing that there's nothing I can do that lets you put it down, let it go, say, okay, enough of this effort, enough of these activities, enough of this worrying, enough of this anger and resentment and blame that just makes me feel bad, right? There is no value in any of that.

SPEAKER_02

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03

Coming to the conclusion that I don't want that anymore, that it doesn't serve me, being aware that I can use my mind differently. I can shift my focus. I can shift my attention and my awareness. And I can start to go after what I want. I shift not because I don't care. I shift because I know there's nothing more I can do. I shift because I am aware that suffering is pointless and unpleasant. And I have the ability to choose what I think.

SPEAKER_02

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03

I have the ability to say, no, I'm not going to think about this thing. No, I've done everything that I can do on that. Now, what do I want? What do I want to do? What could I do without resisting what is? You know, I think visually that while I'm leaning against that wall trying to change something I can't change, behind me there is 180 degrees of possibility. And really I'm trying to move that wall in one direction. So really, there's like 300 degrees of possibility. And I could just ignore that wall because there's nothing I can do about it. And that's just practical, pragmatic, stoic, Taoist, Buddhist. Stop resisting, stop attaching your happiness to that particular problem. Your happiness can be found in a lot of places. I mean, very few of us see ourselves as single dimensional dimension being. There's so much more to us than where we live. There's so much more to us than where we work.

SPEAKER_02

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03

There's so much more to us than one relationship. And sometimes there's nothing we can do about those things. So what do I want? It's an interesting exploration. You're not hurting anybody because you've already put in all the effort to that other problem. So now you're free. I've done everything I can do. Now I'm free to consider. Well, what do I want instead? Being focused on the problem, putting your attention there is a dead end, right? I have this stuff that I don't want, right? I'm in this situation that I don't want. And that's not getting you anywhere. Putting your attention there is not getting you anywhere. That's the nature of the problem.

SPEAKER_02

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03

We like to act, we like to be busy, but in that direction, for that thing, it's not serving a purpose. So it's really a huge mental release, right?

SPEAKER_02

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03

You can call it letting go, you can call it moving on. You can call it refocusing because that's the nature of my mind. Where do I want to put my attention? I think one of the neat little tricks that's possible for people when they're facing situations they have no control over and there's nothing they can do is not being alone in that.

You’re Not Alone Find Your People

SPEAKER_03

Being there. Like you and I were sitting here and we're having a conversation about the fact that worrying and obsessing over this thing that we want that we're not getting is not serving us.

SPEAKER_02

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03

It's not building our life in any dimension.

SPEAKER_02

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03

It's not building our happiness at all. And the great thing is we're not alone.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03

Right? You can look at me and say, what else can we do? And I can say nothing. And I can ask you, what else can we do? And you can say nothing. And we can come to that realization together that there's nothing left for us to do. And now step away from it. Well, what else do we want besides that? And now we can start looking at that stuff. And we don't have to be alone.

SPEAKER_00

So what what would you say to people who are alone?

SPEAKER_03

Well, I I believe that we can see ourselves as alone, but we're not. It takes a lot of effort in this world to actually be alone.

SPEAKER_02

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03

Takes a lot of mental processes to bring you to a place where you actually think you're alone.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah.

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Yeah.

SPEAKER_03

And and if you actually thought you were alone, actually truly thought you were alone. Well, we've got this online community where we're having a great time. Yeah. The point is that stuff exists. That's out there.

SPEAKER_02

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03

That's that is some of the upside to this crazy internet world. Yeah. Is that there are communities. Sorry, if you're gonna I see it in your eyes.

SPEAKER_00

No, that's okay. I just it reminds me of last week at yoga, you know. We're all we got into just chatting about what each person is going through and just had this recognition that we didn't really realize what each person was going through and how nice it was to just talk about it, you know. Because then you do realize that so many people are going through the same sorts of things. And yeah, it can be healing, it can be helpful, it can be in ways, backwards ways, uplifting, you know, just to just to know. I don't mean backwards in a bad way, but like just funnily enough, it is lifting, you know. So and I think it's uh maybe I said this already, but healing in ways where you just get it out of your head. I think that's important.

SPEAKER_03

That movement of your attention.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah. And I don't see it as complaining. And I think a lot of people we we we don't want to talk about it with people because we feel like we're complaining. But yeah, I think it does need to move and because when it's in our head just going around and around and around, it's like it's like we're way too close to it to see any other options. So yeah, it does help to be with somebody or people.

SPEAKER_03

Well, and it wakes you up to an expanded view of your life. You know, being focused on the problem that you have no control over can lead you to feel very alone. And even going to another and just sharing this is the stuff I'm struggling with invites you to realize there are other ways of thinking of this.

SPEAKER_02

Yeah. Yeah.

SPEAKER_03

Sometimes the most important thing is loosening your grip. We think we have to control, and there's too much we can't control.

SPEAKER_02

Yeah. Yeah.

SPEAKER_03

So if you're like us and you're fighting against something you can't control, yeah, it's time to let go of that. Put your attention elsewhere. What do you want? What do you want? What would you like instead? How could you go about getting that?

SPEAKER_02

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03

Don't be clinging to that which is causing you to suffer. Suffering, by definition, is just resistance to what is. Hope that helps.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah.

Final Takeaways And Farewell

SPEAKER_00

All right, everyone. Thanks for listening, and we'll see you later.