Are you ready to sail away on a musical journey with Brooke and Nick, an adventurous couple who've made a boat in the picturesque island of Okracoke in North Carolina their home? We invite you to join us as we explore their unique lifestyle, their love for music, and their profound connection with the sea. Discover how their music echoes the rhythm of the waves and how their melodies intertwine with their tales of navigating shallow waters, unearthing private beaches, and embracing the local culture of fishing and clamming.
In the second leg of our journey, we dock at the island's resilience. Hear firsthand how Brooke and Nick weather storms and extreme conditions, how they safeguard their boat, and the unity that binds the island's community together. Uncover how the island's dynamic environment shapes their daily life and their music, fostering a deep sense of belonging and a symphony of shared experiences.
Fasten your seatbelts as we journey into the past with tales of the infamous pirate, Blackbeard, who left an indelible mark on North Carolina. Immerse in the captivating song about Blackbeard, penned by Brooke and Nick's father, and get a taste of the annual pirate festival held on the island. As we draw the curtains on this episode, Brooke and Nick leave us with a heartfelt song about their mountainous experiences in North Carolina and their undying passion for life on the water. Come aboard, and let the music guide your sail!
Merrill Charette
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Are you ready to sail away on a musical journey with Brooke and Nick, an adventurous couple who've made a boat in the picturesque island of Okracoke in North Carolina their home? We invite you to join us as we explore their unique lifestyle, their love for music, and their profound connection with the sea. Discover how their music echoes the rhythm of the waves and how their melodies intertwine with their tales of navigating shallow waters, unearthing private beaches, and embracing the local culture of fishing and clamming.
In the second leg of our journey, we dock at the island's resilience. Hear firsthand how Brooke and Nick weather storms and extreme conditions, how they safeguard their boat, and the unity that binds the island's community together. Uncover how the island's dynamic environment shapes their daily life and their music, fostering a deep sense of belonging and a symphony of shared experiences.
Fasten your seatbelts as we journey into the past with tales of the infamous pirate, Blackbeard, who left an indelible mark on North Carolina. Immerse in the captivating song about Blackbeard, penned by Brooke and Nick's father, and get a taste of the annual pirate festival held on the island. As we draw the curtains on this episode, Brooke and Nick leave us with a heartfelt song about their mountainous experiences in North Carolina and their undying passion for life on the water. Come aboard, and let the music guide your sail!
Merrill Charette
Brought to you by
SHIPSHAPE.PRO - Innovative platform that bridges the gap in marine repair
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MIDA.PRO - Marine Industry Digital Agency - Web dev / Marketing
Podcast - SHIPSHAPE INTERNATIONAL OCEAN INSIGHT
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Speaker 2:Welcome to the Ship Shape podcast. In today's episode, we set sail to the enchanting island of Okra Coke, where we drop anchor to chat with the incredibly talented duo, Brooke and Nick. Not only do they call this picturesque island their home, but they've also embraced the true spirit of marine life by living on a boat. And that's not all. These two are gifted musicians harmonizing with the rhythms of the sea. Dive in with us as we explore their unique journey, the melodies they create and the waves they ride.
Speaker 3:Welcome to the Ship Shape podcast, guys. Today on the show we have Brooke and Nick, and they're a musician couple from Okra Coke. I met them there just a few weeks ago while I was passing through, and they have a really exciting story to tell us about how they got together and how they're going to take the world by storm with their music. They're sitting in the shop right now on Okra Coke and this is going to be an awesome show. Thank you so much for joining us. With me is Farah, and let's do this, guys.
Speaker 4:Hello and welcome to the Ship Shape podcast, as Thala just kindly introduced all of us sitting in the in our different respective places. My name is Farah, as Thala said so, and I'm based in London. I've been working in the media industry for about 20 plus years and have had the pleasure of doing many shows with Thala. So, Thala, without further ado, let's introduce the lovely couple, Nick and Brooke.
Speaker 3:Hi guys.
Speaker 5:How are you? Thank you for having us. I know I'm so excited to be here.
Speaker 4:Thank you for coming on the show. We're so excited. I mean, thala was giving me a little bit of backstory, but not too much, because I told them no, I want to ask them everything while I meet them. They sound extremely, extremely interesting. So tell us, like, where are you right now, what exactly? And that this is beautiful background for a lot of people who won't be able to obviously see this. I'm looking at this amazing shop floor. Talk to me. Talk to me about where you are. What's going on?
Speaker 6:So we're in our wonderful, beautiful little shop called Little Rituals here on Oak Creek, Ohio in North Carolina.
Speaker 5:And um, yeah, and Dean, no, that's a wrap. Yeah, well, we're in. We just started the shop. We're just closing out our second season. Where we live is really seasonal, so already after Labor Day you can tell that we have like less foot traffic, more kids are in school, but we'll stay open till about the holidays, and so that'll be us wrapping up our second year of the shop, although we have a much longer standing relationship with Oak Creek Oak we met here in 2010. Oh, wow, yeah Long feels like a long time ago, and Nick actually has even longer history with Island. He grew up coming here and then moved here with his mom when you were.
Speaker 6:Yes, I moved here when I was about 10 years old and grew up vacationing here, as many people did, and parents bought a vacation home and then slowly decided to make a transition and, um yeah, moved here when I was about 10 and was here until I was about 18 and came back and forth and met Brooke after a few years and doing seasonal work, and we continue to do that together for a few years and I always love to plug.
Speaker 5:So my first summer here, um, it's a very small island, so, like, year round population, maybe a thousand, but then, you know, in the summer months we get like 8,000 plus visitors. I think that's right. I could be told wrong with that, it feels like that, but, um, but it was in the fall that we met. So I would spend my first summer here and we, um, we met in the fall. My friend, katie, who's grew up with Nick, was playing matchmaker with me all summer, which was hilarious, you know, it's just like. You know, this is a very small place, you know, I might just we have this to be more of a summer, to keep to myself. But then she's like, oh my, my good friend Nick grew up with him.
Speaker 5:He's coming back from a motorcycle trip. So, nick, nick has the adventure bone to the max. He took his dual sport out, drove out West and came back and started on a Greek oak, ended on a Greek oak, and that's when you met in September 2010. He's like, he plays mandolin, he skateboards, he's, he's on a motorcycle, you know. And I was like, okay, okay, sounds like an amazing individual. It's me. And then the rest is history. So there you go, wow.
Speaker 4:Wait. So what happens off season? For for people listening, what happens when you said you know it's seasonal, so what? What's goes on when it's off season?
Speaker 3:And tell us a little bit more about the island. What makes your cook special? What draws in so many people every year?
Speaker 6:So many, so well. Oak Creek Oak is the southernmost point of the Outer Banks. It's part of Cape Hatteras National seashore and we are about a chain of islands that's about 75 85 miles long, from the southern end of Oak Creek Oak all the way to the northern part of the pittyhawk.
Speaker 5:All the way to Carova right, or does that include Coral in that?
Speaker 6:I do think it does. There's a couple other small spits of land though, as you continue, but anyways, it is small island. You can only get here by ferry. Boats takes about an hour.
Speaker 3:Every boat, private plane Right.
Speaker 6:Yeah, private boat yeah or by boat, private boat, yeah, yeah we're about 25 miles off of the mainland of North Carolina, so the sun sets on the water here. Just pretty magical.
Speaker 5:Wow. And what are you asking? What makes Oak Creek Oak special? I mean, I've lived a lot of places and here's the one place where you meet people and they're like I have been coming here for the past 30 years, every year.
Speaker 3:Why, though? Why yeah?
Speaker 5:Well, I mean, I know for me, I mean there's a lot of things that make Oak Creek Oak super special. But unlike the rest of the Outer Banks, the federal Park Service owns most of the island and I share that because it's 13 miles long. But the only place you'll find human humans or humanity presence is at the very southern part, where our little harbor, silver Lake, is.
Speaker 6:So there's a bit of a bump out like all the way on the southern end of the island and that's about three miles by three miles and the rest of the island. If you drive up in your car you can pretty much see. If you look left, you'll see the Pamlico Sound and if you look right you'll see the Atlantic Ocean.
Speaker 5:And yeah, and so, unlike the rest of the Outer Banks or so many other beaches you go to on the East Coast, there's not one manmade structure on the beach. So you go up, you take the ferry on the north part of the island to Hatteras, buxton. There's houses all on the beach there, whereas here there's like almost a lack of humanity and you can feel that, living here. You've been visiting here, where you go to the beach and all there is is sand, dunes in the ocean and what other humans might be there.
Speaker 6:And even for being such a small village, we have such interesting, rich history, especially when it comes to boating.
Speaker 3:We are, you know, we're right here in the midst of the graveyard of the Atlantic, and there's a lot of legends about Okra Coke as well, right, like the cap that I'm wearing in 1780, right, that ties in a fire thing, and maybe we'll do a whole thing on that as well.
Speaker 5:Well, that makes me think of speaking of the music. A song that we often play here is a song that Nick's dad wrote. So both of us have music in like the extends beyond us in our family. But his dad, who is a musician and also loves history, wrote a song about Blackbird the pirate, because this was definitely his stomping grounds Back when Okra Coke wasn't as inhabited as it is now. There's an island south of us, portsmouth, that you can see from Okra Coke. That used to be where all the ships would dock and trading and whatnot happened.
Speaker 6:Yeah, it's one of the largest, one of the most used ports on the eastern side of the United States in the 1700s and you had probably Charleston, South Carolina, then you probably had Portsmouth, North Carolina, and then up to you know, Norfolk from there and unfortunately a storm long time ago closed the channel up. Large boats could not get in here anymore and the only other easy way to then get into any kind of a port was going to be Okra Coke. But Okra Coke just didn't have the stability for easy access and it's. It just wasn't as big as Portsmouth, was smaller, so but anyways, that's it's charm, right?
Speaker 4:I'm absolutely, that's what you're just saying. It just makes it more charming, you've got it, you got it.
Speaker 6:Little has changed here. We're one of the few places in the United States that have the local people here Actually they're Brogues stems from their ancestors from Europe and they still have their accent. You know they are strange accent. They call it a high tide or high toiders, white toid on the center side.
Speaker 5:It's like slightly English slash Southern accent. Yeah, it's really high toid on sound so cool.
Speaker 4:You guys have your own shop, your musicians and you're also water babies. Tell me about your relationship with the ocean.
Speaker 6:Well, I guess, yeah, starting with me. So you know, growing up here on Oak Creek Oak it was, that was my introduction to being in a coastal environment on a regular basis. And you know, I mean, I guess they kind of say, after a while it does get in, or to a certain extent it gets in your blood and I love that you called it a village and I totally got that vibe when I was there.
Speaker 3:Right, everybody knew everybody else and but even on the village there was just like it was very tourist friendly. There was still like you're kite surfing and you're clamming and you're general fishing and there's these small boats everywhere. It looks like everybody. That's just a favorite pastime at some level, isn't it?
Speaker 6:Absolutely, Absolutely. So I mean there is a big, I mean there's, I would say there's necessarily a lot of culture here, being for how tiny of a place that we are. But yes, we have, like the outer banks in general, we have some of the great surf and consistent surf. I mean we have many pro surfers that live on the outer banks.
Speaker 5:Oak.
Speaker 6:Creek Oak. Not quite as good consistent surf. We are one of the best kite surfing destinations in the world. So growing up being on the water, it was those activities, whether it was surfing, kayaking, boating of any kind, small sailboats, larger sailboats, people coming in and out where constant stop on the intercoastal waterway, big stop for people traveling in the summer. So we constantly have movement in the on season and then, as we were talking about, in the off season, which pretty much starts right around this is the shoulder season just started. Yeah.
Speaker 5:Off season starts like probably going into the holidays, like we have to close our shop January, february because there's literally no one here. Yeah, and as someone who lives here full time, I think that's kind of. I mean as much as you're like okay, in the summers gather your nuts, because you have these quieter months three to four months out of the year, we have maybe one restaurant that'll be open if they're kind They'll flip flop with another restaurant just to maintain some kind of consistency for that being said people to live here year round.
Speaker 5:There's maybe 1416 restaurants. So it's, you know it's a good perspective. It's still very tiny, but the thing that I know that helped draw us back here, farah, you were asking about, like, what's your relationship to the ocean, and I think, even more so to overcoat is just the accessibility on a daily basis to nature, to the water. Whether it's just as a family we have two fur babies, no human children, yet we get out on the boat, we'll just go watch the sunset and living other places where we've been in nature, it's so different being here, where it just feels so accessible to in five minutes, and be out the beach, put your feet in the water and be like, ah it, like these dental reminders of like, why are we doing all of this or what Are you know?
Speaker 6:and the nice, as she says, accessibility here like to give you an idea where I think one of the few schools public schools here in the United States where we don't have a cafeteria because all the kids ride their bikes home for lunch.
Speaker 4:Yeah, and there is it's an interesting.
Speaker 5:I think another intriguing thing about like Tal was saying you say village is you know there is having that few people who live here and also in a place it's vulnerable like storms happen. Dorian was a big storm that happened here in 2019. We were not living here full time at the time, but you know everyone comes together, whether you like your neighbor or you know whatever what are their dynamics there are on the island. There's very much this mentality like we're all in it together and everyone is tuned into what's happening in nature because it has to do with your daily well being. You're not just going to grab an umbrella and be like, all right, we'll get through this. You have to be really tuned into your environment and I think people who live here love that aspect.
Speaker 4:I know we do, yeah there's an element of selflessness, right, it's like this unity. It's very unified, it feels like home. It's actually quite idyllic in a lot of ways, isn't it? Because you're surrounded by people who you know would step up for you and look after you and care for you, which is so rare in today's day and age. I mean, we're in an age where people don't even talk to their neighbors.
Speaker 4:you know, and they're living next to each other for 20 odd years and they're just like, oh hello, good morning. Good morning, we got the paper. Yes, you know it's like, oh, good weather. That's as far as you get in conversation, but you're talking about people looking off for each other and it being very wholesome. Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 3:And it's also like these stark reminders. I remember there was this house there he's obviously one of your neighbors where he'd done the water levels for each storm that had come in right and that was scary. Just on, like you, from the road. Yeah, you could be like, okay, it just got higher and higher.
Speaker 6:It's been pretty scary over the past, probably about seven years now. We hadn't. I think it was about seven years ago. Seven or eight years ago we had the storm which was the worst flooding and recorded history here, and then it was about two years later, we had Hurricane Dorian and that beat that last flood by about three feet. Yeah, it was a huge jump and that last storm was maybe only a maybe a foot higher or so than some of the previous ones. So, being that it was that big of a jump and it was within those past two year period, it was. It was a big struggle here. It was a big, you know, eye opening situation for a lot of people, you know, especially with global warming and being in a very vulnerable place.
Speaker 3:And I bet everybody bands together in situations like that, right Like what happens, like right now we were having these crazy systems pass through what happens, what survived, like on the island.
Speaker 6:Yeah, so we all I mean, as we are even right now keeping an eye on the Lee, the storm out there that's making some movement. We keep an eye on it, just as everybody would for the first week, and as it gets closer and closer we can tell how, you know, get an idea of if we're going to get any action from it, and from there we will help a neighbor out and we pick everything up off the ground. Or, you know, if somebody else you know needs to move a boat or you know stuff like that, then yeah, we're just kind of do what we can. And you know you got a couple days just to scurry around and get some things up if need be. So don't float away.
Speaker 4:Hopefully it won't wait, you guys have a boat as well, right?
Speaker 3:Correct A couple of boats.
Speaker 4:Yes, my goodness, tell me, tell me more.
Speaker 6:So we currently live on a 33 foot 1971. It is a pacemaker.
Speaker 3:That's the same boat. That was my first boat. Yeah, almost 10 years ago.
Speaker 6:Yeah, it sounds you had like the sport fisher kind of model and mine is kind of like a sport fisher with a with an aft cabin on it.
Speaker 5:That's right. Yeah, it's a two cabin. It's a big little boat, yeah.
Speaker 6:So, yeah, we have that. And then we also, prior to that, we've had a couple of small skips, which are, you know, the common small boat to have around here for all the shallow water, and I've got a 14 foot Carolina skiff and a 21 foot private here, old grabbing boat. So cool.
Speaker 4:Yeah, that's hard.
Speaker 6:Well, we have three, hopefully maybe four with my dinghy too, but yeah.
Speaker 3:And the skiff is perfect because you guys are surrounded and maybe we can use this segue into maybe a song or the Blackbeard conversation is that it's really shallow around where you guys are and that's that's why Blackbeard was as successful as he was, because he would just like scare people into sinking their own ships, basically, but, like with Carolina Skiff, they can get into the super shallow water which literally is like six feet under the boat, six inches under the boat, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 3:Right, and you can go, you can clam and swim and just jump off onto a sandbar and you got it.
Speaker 6:Yeah we've got amazing fishing. Clamming also very fun.
Speaker 5:I was just saying a big thing like Sunday is very much here, like a lot of shops are still kind of old school and might be closed on Sundays, but I feel like Sunday is the quote quote local day where if someone has a boat, that's when you're going to see them out and if it's, say, low tide, that's where you can see those little sandbars even more and they become these, your own little private beaches. So there'll be little collections of boats here like, oh, who's that Is that? Oh, that's all, that's, that's okay, he's over here. Or you know, people take their dogs out and then you keep track of, like, okay, the water's starting. I mean not that you would get stuck there, but it literally it's almost like these exposures of little fish come and go. That's how shallow it is.
Speaker 6:I always say to the island can feel really small if you don't have a little boat to get out on.
Speaker 4:Yeah, look, do you have a background in the with the ocean as well? I mean, I know, for example, nick said he grew up here. He's moved here at the age of 10. But what about yourself?
Speaker 5:Well, so I grew up in Virginia at the foot of the Appalachian Mountains, so we grew up our vacations. We're always going to the ocean. That was, I think, very much my, my special, my mom's like soothing place. So I grew up feeling like a confident summer and going to visit the beaches. But and had come to the Outer Banks, to Kitty Hawk and Nagasai, but never made it this far south till I was 21.
Speaker 6:But you graduate high school from Virginia Beach.
Speaker 5:I did. Yeah, that's true I did. We moved to Virginia Beach when I was in high school, in 10th grade, so I would go to the beach there, but it was so different than the rest of the Outer Banks, you know, much more commercialized. You know very much boardwalk, you know. I appreciate it much more now I think I did than I did when I was a teen. Versus you know, some people who come here are like where's the putt putt, where's you know all these things you might find in a bigger, more populated spotlight for Virginia Beach, where there's more things to entertain, versus here it's just the nature. So I didn't grow up living on the water or anything. But I joke, I mean I love astrology, I'm a Pisces, I'm a water sign. I was joking that the water is whether it's Lake, river, ocean feels very at home for me. So living on a boat, as we have been just waking up in the water, has been a real gift, you know, even though we haven't moved it that much.
Speaker 6:Yeah, we don't. Unfortunately we're not. We're not currently in a situation having the shop that we're able to explore too much.
Speaker 5:That's the dream, yeah.
Speaker 3:And Brooke definitely has some water skills. I remember we were climbing together and she was just nailing it. What was your trick, brooke? She's just lying on her back and got another one, and got another one, and got another one.
Speaker 5:That's what. See, we had gotten this floating Somehow. I'm like, I'm floating, you know, mostly submerged though, and just I love so. There's several ways to clam. Traditionally, people get rakes, you know, and then you feel that you've hit something and really the metal to shell makes a certain sound.
Speaker 6:It's kind of like a nails on a chalkboard. Yeah.
Speaker 5:But me, I've always loved clamming with my toes or my fingers, as weird as that might sound Like. I just like slowly move my hands through the sand, yeah.
Speaker 6:So essentially you're in maybe three feet or two and a half three feet of water.
Speaker 5:Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 6:And you know, give or take a little and you can stand there and just run your toes to the sand or the kind of lucky sand and uh Clams like yeah, it's like okay, this is it?
Speaker 3:The grass was the most trippy for me? Yeah, the water grass.
Speaker 6:We have quite a grassy area.
Speaker 4:Don't like the grass yeah.
Speaker 3:It just felt so weird on your feet. It's not seaweed, it sort of is. I guess All right.
Speaker 6:It's more grassy. It's more grassy, slimy-ish, but not.
Speaker 5:Of course.
Speaker 6:It is interesting.
Speaker 3:And then out of the blue, that would be like oh, that's not a clam, it would be a full-fledged crab looking at you. Be like mess with me, oh my.
Speaker 4:God, touch me. Just try touching me. Yeah, do it.
Speaker 5:Or the scallops, didn't you?
Speaker 3:find a scallop Tala, They'll start like actually open their mouth against spit in their heads.
Speaker 5:Yeah.
Speaker 4:I love clamming. I will trust Nick and Brooke on this one. I will get bitten Wait. So okay, your musicians as well. Tell me about your journey as musicians and how does that tie up with your journey as being, you know, living on a boat and ocean lovers. Do you perform? Do you get an opportunity to go out and perform as musicians as well on the water, in other boats? That would be cool.
Speaker 6:Not yet. It's always been the dream. So growing up here myself, before I met Brooke, played a lot of music here on the island and had friends that had boats and we would always friends that I played music with, that had boats and we would always talk about we're gonna go on the sailing music tour and sail south to here or something. And we never did that. Growing up as kids we just played music and did other stuff and hung out on our boats in the middle of the harbor, friends' boats and anyways, brooke and I as we came back to the island as many places that's very difficult to find housing here, so we tossed around many ideas and I have always wanted the excuse to buy a larger boat and it seemed like a perfect opportunity to take advantage of that and so Meeting housing yeah.
Speaker 6:Yeah, needing housing, so doing that. That's how we ended up coming to the conclusion that it would make most sense to get our boat, because there was more dock slips than there were apartments available here.
Speaker 2:Yeah right.
Speaker 6:So we decided to go ahead and pull the trigger on the boats. Well, going back to music, brooke and I both come from musical background, but we didn't really start playing music together until about seven years into our relationship. We played a little bit, but it was really just for fun. Here and there, some other friends that played music and we'd sit around after dinner or something. We always had a few songs that we like to play together, started an open mic night and ended up booking a show. Didn't expect it, brooke had always been the pusher for let's play the show.
Speaker 6:Yeah, without her pushing I don't think we would have been able to ever really get started, but we started playing, mostly in western North Carolina.
Speaker 5:Well, I have to interject. There's a great story and not to be all over the place, but when we first started dating Nick, we were in Park City, Utah. We met here and went to Park City, Utah and came back. But when we were there, Nick got up for an open mic night and, as I was sharing with Farrah before this, I'm much more of the extrovert in the relationship and Nick is much more of the quiet one and he got up and he's saying the Blackbeard song and this open mic where there was an entire band to support you know whoever was playing and Nick literally I'd never heard him sing.
Speaker 5:He the whole bar got quiet I mean a bar of, like you know, at least a hundred people in it and he played and he's saying and we were just like, oh my goodness, the voice on this quiet man that I just met three months ago, and the bar manager came up to him afterwards and said I'd love to book you for a show, and I could tell.
Speaker 3:No way.
Speaker 5:Yeah, and did not know what to do with him. So he's like I really have like two songs and from that moment I knew it would be fun to make music. But our backgrounds were so different. I grew up learning classical piano, I did have some years of cello that's what I play now when we play together but I had much more of this music theory background and Nick grew up learning to play by ear with more folk and even kind of I guess you could say kind of.
Speaker 6:I mean yeah, like older, like old, more like old time blue grassy kind of background.
Speaker 6:Mandolin was my first instrument grown up and especially part of being in North Carolina, my dad growing up as a musician and he was mostly inspired by old time music, and so I would say that was where I originally started with Mandolin, but as time went on I played some guitar as well, but for our act, brook and I we go by Brook and Nick I play baritone, ukulele and foot percussion and I sing and Brook plays cello and sings, and so yeah, can we hear something Can? We.
Speaker 4:Please. I'm so excited right now, which one?
Speaker 3:is it going to be the Blackbeard song or something else? What are we hearing?
Speaker 6:That seems like. Yeah, that definitely seems appropriate.
Speaker 3:Then we can do a little talk about Blackbeard and who he was and why he's coming up. Yeah.
Speaker 6:Well, so like so. This song my dad wrote when I was a kid and, as Brook was saying earlier, we grew up vacationing here on the island and so I did, and it wasn't until I got a little bit older that we moved here and coming here. My dad has a huge history buff, so he's always fascinated with all the history here, but Blackbeard was absolutely loved it. So he came up with this song and I always remembered him playing it. I always loved it. I remember we'd go on walks at night and we'd go out to what's called Springer's Point, right outside of an area in the deep pocket of water right off the coast on the downside called Teacher's Hole, which is known for Edward Teach. They say it's this old live oak forest with many trees that are 250 plus years old, and they would say that he would camp there and hang out in these trees and keep an eye out for people coming and other was yeah, anyways.
Speaker 6:So yeah, this song my dad wrote is basically it's the life of Blackbeard. As I got older it dawned on me one day it had been a long time since I'd thought about it. I was like dad, you gotta feel mine, send me the lyrics to that song. I want to. I'd like to start playing it some. And I came up with my own, changed it up a little bit, the chord progression, but still all the same lyrics. But it's basically it's the life of Blackbeard and there's some snippets about North Carolina and you know specific Ocacoke places but yeah, it doesn't have to be from, so it's just the Ocacoke and the Jell-O.
Speaker 6:It's just the Ocacoke.
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Speaker 7:Oh, we hailed from Bristol, England. Edward Drummond was his name. The drum had changed a black beard as care-lotta bound, he came. Oh, we sailed the coastal waters. Jolly Roger, flying high, Struck fear into many assailants as he bothered their prize. Oh, Blackbeet was his name and London was his game. Fearless man would see as he sailed upon the sea. Well, the governor shared the booty that a teacher brought to shore. He peered to be nothing stopping Blackbeet's mighty roar. But a raw woodman had set a sail on a cold November's day In search for an adventure. And a pilot said he came.
Speaker 7:Oh, Blackbeet was his name and London was his game. Fearless man would see as he sailed upon the sea. The friendship was just anchored inside the teacher's hold, Waiting for the tide to rise and sail and for the gold. But Blackbeet sided, mainly as the ship sailed, into fear, Searching for a pirate's head to show what he had slid. Oh, and so Blackbeet fired at Mayhem, but his bullet missed his mark. Mayhem fired Blackbeet as he shuddered with a star. He knew as I was numbered as he drew that sword upon. That was a quack when I fought him. But the sun rose in the sky. I said Blackbeet was his name and London was his game. Fearless man would see as he sailed upon the sea. So is the story of Edward Drummond, the mist of town. So the region that feared his name was gone down to the sailors of the sound.
Speaker 4:Oh, oh, oh, my God, that was absolutely remarkable. What was that? That was insane, you guys. I am Lord, I'm absolutely Lord Wait don't stop, don't stop. Why are you putting away these droids?
Speaker 3:We'll definitely do some more tracks. Let's talk a little bit about Blackbeard. Who is this guy? Why does he have the whole song?
Speaker 6:Yeah, yeah, well, we all know, Blackbeard and so.
Speaker 5:Really, I knew that name growing up but it really was in meeting you and your dad that I got, and coming here got the deeper story.
Speaker 6:I guess you think of Pirates and he's just one of the most feared pirates in history. But super interesting guy. It was fascinating that he decided to come to Ochre Coke and the fact that he even found this place. But yeah, the guy, like most pirates, spent a lot of time in the Caribbean and a lot of time on the East Coast and made North Carolina his home. He actually even owned a house in Bath, north Carolina, which is a little Once you get over the You're trying to go legit really.
Speaker 6:Yeah yeah, yeah yeah, he worked with the governor there and here on Ochre Coke. He would hang out here, he would hide out here, he would resupply. He would always note that he would resupply on water here and, as you were saying earlier, there were so many shallow areas here in the Pamlico Sound that he would specifically run other boats aground and then would rob them of everything and just leave them stranded or shipwrecked. And he also died here. The Queen of England sent this fellow by the name of Robert Maynard out to find Blackbeard because he decided not to take a pardon. That was.
Speaker 6:I guess offered at the time for all pirates to end piracy and he decided to continue his ways and finally this guy, robert Maynard, came and found Ochre Coke, found his ship, and they had one heck of a battle and he, robert, chopped Blackbeard's head off. So they always said there may be buried treasure on Ochre Coke, which definitely don't think is the case Blackbeard spirit.
Speaker 6:Yeah, yeah, I think his Blackbeard spirit could definitely be here and I think it was maybe 15 or 20, or about 20, 20, so years ago, I think they say they think they found his last ship, which was the Queen Anne's Revenge, but interestingly enough, there were two men, at least to my knowledge. Anybody that is listening correct me if I'm wrong, but there were two men, I believe, that were pardoned on his ship and one of them, specifically, his name was William Howard and he ended up coming back to Ochre Coke and buying most of the island, and I won't mention any specific names other than that one name I just mentioned, but he still does have family on the island and I mean there's like a street on the island named after him and oh, Howard Street.
Speaker 6:Yeah, howard Street is our oldest street on the island, it's not paved, and one way. So, anyways, nonetheless, we still. We have a little pirate festival here every year, and part of the reason for being such a small place, but we, you know it really keeps us on the map too, especially for other people, as, like anybody, that's in a pirate history. You know Blackbeard. You most likely have heard about Ochre Coke.
Speaker 4:What is a pirate festival, intel? Please tell me yeah right.
Speaker 6:So we have a little reenactment. They set up and show you how life would be for a pirate at the time. It's like a mess space where like vendors yeah, yeah a lot of people like to come and dress up like a pirate and pretend they're a pirate for a weekend.
Speaker 5:Yeah right, being so very fitting. You know adults can really. It's actually interesting.
Speaker 6:It's actually a newer. It's only been happening now for a few years, but anyway it's.
Speaker 4:That is quite fun. That makes it sound quite fun, yeah adding the element of fun to it. It's nice because it you know, you hear the seriousness of the situation and you always you know you talk about pirates and it's quite foreboding and in a very negative context. But I like the fact that you know the island also celebrates its history and its culture and you recognize that. Yes, despite the fact that there is a serious element to it, it's also about bringing the culture out and saying we can add a lighter element to this.
Speaker 3:Yes, you perform at the festival 300 years later we're over it. That's right, that's right.
Speaker 4:Do you?
Speaker 5:perform at the festival. Well, the festival it's smaller, it's more of the reenactments and then, I think, vendors setting up. Like I don't think you have music per se. We do perform at festivals that happen here, like Ogre Folk Fest, not related to Blackbeard or pirates, but has been a part of the culture here for over two decades and that's a music festival. But I think that one is much more focused on reenacting and food and vendors versus entertainment for music. But we might be playing somewhere on the weekend that it happened.
Speaker 6:Yes, we do play out and about often.
Speaker 5:Yeah, we do.
Speaker 3:yeah, Play a good amount of music Sweet, so should we have another song? We'll be sewing another song.
Speaker 5:Yes, maybe one of your favorites.
Speaker 3:What's one of your favorites?
Speaker 5:Well, there's two songs that Nick both wrote, so I have to admit I say originals, and they're often Nick's. Nick's a really beautiful.
Speaker 3:Well, you're broken, Nick, so they're your originals. Yeah.
Speaker 5:It's such a gift to. He writes the lyrics and then just shares them and then I feel and hear the space that the cello and my voice need to fill, which is a huge gift. But I was going to say there's one more upbeat one and there's a slower one that finds your favorites, which is, we can even do two back to back.
Speaker 3:Surely, up to you.
Speaker 6:This next song is called what's On my Mind, and yeah, that's, I have to preface, there's no drums.
Speaker 5:with this one, which is very key, Nick is literally like a one-man band and then I just add the bass and some high end and harmony with my voice. So you're missing the element of the drums here, which is very much often the heartbeat of our sound, but we'll still, I think, bring it.
Speaker 6:Woo, I'd say most of the songs that I write. They don't have my dad's Blackbeard song. He's probably got most of the story behind it. Most of mine are very much just kind of it's an internal.
Speaker 5:It's a different writing section.
Speaker 6:Yeah, yeah it's just an internalized thought process that isn't supposed to make sense for everybody other than me, but hope you can make some kind of sense of it for yourself.
Speaker 7:I'm standing in front of you telling you it's on my mind. I'm sure what I'll share with you will read my own tale. You tonight. I don't know the street though. I don't even understand the reason why. Don't let me bother you just tell me to take a hide. When I look in your eyes, I know that this is the place I long for the love. Take my hand if you want to understand my life. I can't wait to go into your heart, inside. Now. Let me stop you figuring out the reason why. But we don't know. We can't last inside. When I look in your eyes, I know that this is the place I long for the love. Don't you think you look good in the sun? Which way would you go if I told you you should run Sweet dreams, come and go? When I look in your eyes, I know that this is the place I long for the love.
Speaker 4:Have you reported it?
Speaker 6:Not yet.
Speaker 6:It's been on the to-do list for a while. Covid happened and that definitely threw a big curveball for our music. So we play a lot of weddings and we also do restaurants and bars. We do it quite as much as we used to, just because we're tied up a lot now with our shop. So, covid, we had something lined up where we were supposed to record and COVID happened and we weren't able to record with a fella that we had lined up. And so since we've been back on Ochre Coke, it has been a constant theme of the topic.
Speaker 6:Yes, but I think we've actually found somebody and hopefully here in the next month or two we will have at least a small EP, at least like a five song EP recorded. Am I going to?
Speaker 4:get the first copy. Nick and Brett yeah, oh my gosh both.
Speaker 7:I want it.
Speaker 4:I want it. I want it.
Speaker 3:I mean.
Speaker 4:I love your music. It's been phenomenal, honestly.
Speaker 3:And I love how the cello and the ukulele sort of bounce off each other and there's like the slowness and the fastness. I think the voices, no, I think you two bounce off each other brilliantly.
Speaker 4:Honestly, you two complement each other really really well, much appreciated. You're both water babies, you're a happy couple, you're musicians. I mean this is, it's phenomenal. I think I maybe I should get a boat Tala.
Speaker 3:I've been telling you.
Speaker 4:Yes, but oh, is it good at it? Elton, I'm getting on the ocean. I want to catch some clams. You're welcome anytime, farrah. Oh my gosh, how wonderful. Honestly, you guys are phenomenal. It's inspirational.
Speaker 3:So what do?
Speaker 4:we expect next from Nick and Brett. What's in the pipeline?
Speaker 5:Well, continuing to maintain the shop. The thing I wanted to say with music is I think we're really excited to record something, even if it's just like in someone's like you know house or something, because music's just been on the back burner since COVID happened Nick was actually. He worked at a paint and body shop for years. He's a man of so many talents and was going to quit that we were going to record in April 2020 and honestly, we kind of just became more in survival mode since that happened and that brought us back to Oak Creek Oak. But we are now flourishing with the shop and whatnot. But I do know what's next for us.
Speaker 5:I would love to record music so we can start to share more in the listening room kind of setting and continue to nurture and tend to the shop. The shop has been a gift which is not related to music, but it's been a gift Just sharing items in the shop with folks who are like so excited there's a shop like this here. The holistic island shop is what it is a gathering space. We have weekly meditation. So just continuing to nurture that and hopefully move, evolve with music.
Speaker 4:Awesome, tell me. You also lived in a van, didn't you? Oh yeah, I want the van story because you were about to tell me off the record now and I said no stop, I want everybody to tell me this amazing story. Tell me the van story.
Speaker 6:Well, we got into boats. As she said earlier, I did paint and body work and specifically I did restorations with a friend of mine. Yes, we. Only we did restoration on. The majority of what we did were Volkswagen Vans and we I had a was an 87 Volkswagen van, again Weekender, and we restored it.
Speaker 5:The Grey Ghost.
Speaker 6:Yeah, we call it the Grey Ghost and we lived in that van for about five months traveling on the road, and we actually ended up coming back here to the island at the time when we weren't living here, and we were here for about eight months living in the van, did a season here, and that's really actually when we really started playing music together. Yeah, we started performing together then.
Speaker 5:Well, we got asked by there was a small local opera and they're like hey, can you guys just play two or three songs? We're like OK, we can probably make that versus you know an hour or two of music happening.
Speaker 6:So yeah, and and then. So, yeah, we traveled, we went all the way across country in the van and continued to do weekend trips when we decided to stop traveling and I sold that van and I bought another van and restored it and that was a full camper, we, it was a full.
Speaker 6:Yeah, that was a full West Falia camper Volkswagen, an older one. We didn't do too much traveling in it and then we sold it a couple of years ago. Didn't have a van. We just got another old van, nothing special, not a Volkswagen Got a nice it's not that old, we got a Dodge van.
Speaker 6:And it's our, it's our band band vehicle now, which is kind of important for getting off the island and relying on this ferry. A lot of times you have to be willing to not make the ferry and it's nice to have something you can crawl in the back and sleep in Very line. So we started doing that and and me having the knowledge for doing extensive work on vehicles kind of was a huge help for transitioning into boat life, and so that's ultimately how that happened and we ended up buying a boat that has needed a lot of work, and I've done some pretty extensive work, a lot of extensive work, on it over the past couple years of owning it.
Speaker 4:Do you prefer the water, life on the water? Do you prefer life on land? As long as your, preference, I think.
Speaker 6:I think at this point, you know, I would definitely have to choose life on the water, by all means. It's there's. There's definitely more of an element for not just freedom, but there's.
Speaker 5:I know. For me it's more a stinker. In a city with nature, you know you really have to be like especially. I mean not that I've done traveling on the boat like extensively, but when you talk to people it's like what was this storm happening? Where it's, how? You know it's just, and freedom, I think, is a good word.
Speaker 6:Yeah, I guess, yeah, the freedom is really nice and just not having to rely on the everything that comes with, you know, maybe owning, owning a piece of property or, you know, living. You know, I've always, you know, romanticized that idea of just not having to rely on, I guess, the not necessarily society, but self sufficiency for sure, yeah, yeah, so there we go, yeah, self sufficiency.
Speaker 6:I mean, there was plenty of that living on land, especially even in a vehicle, but there's just, there's so much more to explore and there's there's so many less limitations. With a boat, you know, you can go so much further, yeah it's like a mobile home you can just go anywhere. God, I was, I was compared. I'm like it's the closest thing you can get, almost in a spaceship or something you know, like everything is on board. You know there's nothing, you can't get a hole in it or anything like that.
Speaker 5:And well, there's also a group of freedom and van life. I mean, you know, we went to our van to all these amazing national parks and explored and definitely camped for free and like you know national forests. You're lucky that. But the cool thing with the boat is just watching. You know folks who come into the harbor here, oak Creek. You can, you know, just put a hook out beyond the more online and it's free, and then here's civilization right here for you. Or if you want to have a little more luxury or access to resources, you can dock. You know, and to me, you don't get that when you travel on a land vehicle at least not that we experience in the United States you know you're very limited, you have to pay for this. It's not as beautiful as just being on a mooring line and a harbor where it's free and then I know it's not free everywhere. Like, sometimes you have to pay for it yeah.
Speaker 6:But I mean, you can, you could choose, yeah, yeah, right.
Speaker 5:But I feel like there's a huge sense of freedom with that and your exploration, which is really cool.
Speaker 4:And you're within nature, I mean you're literally immersed in it, you're right. You're on water, on water.
Speaker 5:Yeah.
Speaker 4:It's beautiful. You probably see things on a daily basis where you just think it's that level of gratitude that you sort of develop. You thank yourself for your little blessings every day. It's that constant reminder and it's a much more wholesome feeling, isn't it, Do you? Do you feel like every day you wake up with a gorgeous feeling? You think I'm lucky, I got this.
Speaker 5:Yeah, absolutely. Yeah, I love waking up and looking and being. I switch on a boat because it's not like you're in a big house being down the water, it's like you're in a part of the water much more. I love every time I make coffee and I'm looking at it.
Speaker 3:I'm like that's.
Speaker 4:I know what I'm going to do next, right yeah.
Speaker 3:Okra Coke, I'm telling you. So, guys, do you guys have a water song, by any chance?
Speaker 7:A water song A boat song. I don't know about a water boat song.
Speaker 6:I was going to say I don't, I don't really know. No, I'd say the closest one would probably be that Blackbeard song. But yeah, yeah, man, you got. You got to give me some inspiration, yeah.
Speaker 3:Nice, nice.
Speaker 4:I love you to sing a song first that you hold very close to your heart. That's something that resonates with you.
Speaker 7:Hmm.
Speaker 3:I remember when I was listening to you guys there was a couple of like again, like you were saying, with those older songs, like straight out of the 50s or 60s or something Like. Even that would be awesome if you guys out for it.
Speaker 6:Oh, right, right, right.
Speaker 5:Well, it's a good one for me, you know.
Speaker 2:That Were you thinking of something.
Speaker 5:What were you thinking? Well, it doesn't have to be that one. Yeah, because we we have maybe 10 originals, but we, when we play a show, it's usually two sets each, just under an hour, and so we have a lot of covers we do, but we definitely as you can imagine, being a cellist in a baritone ukulele make them very much our own.
Speaker 6:So bye, I say this is. This is another original song. If we have time maybe we could do. I think this would be a good one. This is a song I would say is close to me. This is a song called In the Light. Yeah, I wrote this song a few years ago before I moved to the coast and before we moved back back here to the coast, and at the time we were living actually in the mountains of North Carolina.
Speaker 5:I love. This is my second, like my other song.
Speaker 6:So it's called In the Light.
Speaker 7:You may think you understand, you may think you know why. Why don't you look at me and I'll call your name? Maybe you don't think you like it. Then you can take it off and put it in your pocket. What's the difference? Find, make a difference in this world, world, world world. It's all we were born with, we can work with. It's not your choice, it's not. It's not. It's not. If you look in the light, make sure it's not too long. You're way too close to sight. Oh, now, stop wasting your time Of the time moving forward.
Speaker 4:I'm speechless, I'm speechless, I'm speechless.
Speaker 5:Yeah, absolutely, it would be a huge delight. Yeah, yeah, so much will evolve. I feel like yeah.
Speaker 3:Yeah, that was awesome guys, and so we're almost done. Do you guys have any? You know messages you'd like to share with our listeners in the world? You know any tidbits of hope? Inspiration?
Speaker 5:Oh, hope and inspiration. I, you know, I guess like what's coming up for me in this moment, I think, because of our conversation and just being very present with where we live over Coke is just, you know, everyone lives in different places but just that connection to nature. I also have a background I'm a yoga teacher, and I share that. Just because of it's so easy in today's world and I speak of this as now as a business owner to not be present beyond your phone and looking at this and that, versus slowing down and taking the time to be in the moment, to seek out and be with nature, because we are a part of nature, we are nature and I think part of why we live where we are is. That was a very important, that's a key founding point for both of us as individuals and in our relationship.
Speaker 6:Absolutely, you know, turned to nature.
Speaker 5:Turned to nature. It's always available and always offering some kind of beautiful, beautiful magic really, I mean. So, yeah, I guess, always spend those times with yourself and with nature.
Speaker 4:I don't know if that's what you're saying. It's fascinating because you know you. You find it can be very daunting for people who obviously you know the idea of picking up a very established lifestyle and then suddenly going and living on a boat and saying that I'm going to spend my entire days on water. I mean, you know sea legs. The first thought that comes to my mind is I remember coming off the boat and being like well, why am I woozy? Why the snow moving? This happened for like a good half an hour and I went is something wrong with me? That was my first experience. I was like why am I swaying constantly? You know you get used to it and it is a daunting prospect, but you guys make decisions like that and living on the ocean look so easy.
Speaker 4:And so for a lot of people, I think, who are afraid to take a step like this or who to whom this lifestyle will appeal to, you know you're actually making it so much more approachable. I think that's the aim of ship shape. We don't realize how many people around us are living these amazing lives and going on these incredible adventures and at one with nature to such an extent, and I think that's where the beauty of the show is, where we meet people like yourselves. People are sitting in three different places at the moment, but I'm getting an opportunity to meet the most amazing couple and talk about their music and talk about their lives, which is so wholesome. So thank you for sharing this with us Honestly.
Speaker 5:Thank you so much for inviting us on. This is. I mean, we met Tyler just a few weeks ago and instantly clicked, and so it's just.
Speaker 3:This is a gift on a lot of ways. No, no, thank you, thank you.
Speaker 5:Thank you and.
Speaker 3:Nick you anything.
Speaker 5:Oh yeah, sorry.
Speaker 3:Nick's dying to play some of the songs of the vibe I'm getting.
Speaker 6:No, you are not me thinking there was like if I were to play one more song, I was like something that either that's like both related, or something that really reminds me or connects me to the island. I was thinking about that. I was like, oh, there is this, there is one song that I could play, but not saying that we, if there is time, I please.
Speaker 2:Please.
Speaker 6:I mean I was thinking of, I was thinking of Seabird oh, that sounds good. Yeah, you know, growing up here total side note growing up here on Oak Creek, oak I, the winter times can be like awfully difficult because it is so quiet, especially for a young person. There's, you know, there's only maybe eight through 12th. Now they have 150 kids that go to school here, and when I grew up here there was about a hundred, and it does get awfully quiet here and as I've gotten older it's definitely I've.
Speaker 6:Rather than look to get away in the winter time, I'm really enjoying these winters that come here because I love how quiet it gets here and I love how the island really opens itself up and I can happily explore it and not get whether it's destroyed by mosquitoes or be surrounded by multiple people trying to maybe do the same thing. Once again, we don't have that many tours that come here in comparison to other popular places. That being said, this song always reminds me of this is a song by and from the group in the 70s called the Alessi Brothers, and the song always reminds me of migratory birds and we always have so many migratory birds that come through and you'll stand out on the beach or on the sound side and you'll watch for miles and miles long, for 30 minutes. You'll see a line of birds come, trail of birds come through and it's, it's so magical to see. But this, this song, is called Sea Bird and Brooke actually introduced it to me a few years ago.
Speaker 7:I introduced this song.
Speaker 5:Nick knows all the songs.
Speaker 6:But, but, yeah, but yeah, we'll play this one real quick. So final, final, Thank you.
Speaker 7:There's a road I know I must go down, even though I tell myself that road is closed, like a long sea bed. I've been away from land too long. I don't listen to the news, no more. Like an unwound clock, you just don't seem to care. The world is a bigger night. Sea bird sea bird fly home. Sea bird sea bird fly home Like a long sea bed. I've been away from land too long. I've been far too long. Suddenly, when I turn your mouth and hear like a ghost, you're lonely, you're a fine one for the one night's bed. Sunset photos. Don't turn you on Like an untied dog. You just can't do. Run Like a long sea bed. I've been away from land too long, far too long. Sea bird sea bird fly home. Sea bird sea bird fly home. Sea bird sea bird fly home. Sea bird sea bird fly home.
Speaker 5:Oh, oh, so yeah, thank you.
Speaker 6:Thank you. The song always reminds me of Winter, on Oak or Cogun, I guess me even returning back, you know.
Speaker 5:Aww, that is so cool. Oh, my goodness, so are you.
Speaker 3:Keep it up, guys. Okay, so that was awesome. On a closing note, why don't you tell our listeners where they can find out about you and find your music and stuff?
Speaker 5:Well, we do have a website, brookandnickavlcom. Avl stands for Asheville. We just haven't changed our domain, so we do keep a calendar there. There are some older videos and what they're saying If you just Google brookandnicknc. North Carolina, you can probably find us.
Speaker 6:All of our social media and our website will pop up.
Speaker 5:So we do have an Instagram handle, brookandnicknc for North Carolina, and then if you're interested in the shop, I mean you can. I feel like we do sometimes a better job of updating that, and not that it pertains to us, but things that are here and we do a lot of shots on Ogricook, but that's littleritualsogricook, littleritualsogricook.
Speaker 3:That's awesome, and is there a concert schedule on your website or anything?
Speaker 5:There is. There's a calendar.
Speaker 3:There's a calendar.
Speaker 5:It's not updated for September, but we're going to, yeah, be updating that. So we'll be playing up the beach in Little Washington here soon and off Island and whatnot. So I said Little Washington, Elizabeth City.
Speaker 3:It's right Love it. Yeah, love it, love it Awesome.
Speaker 5:It's been such a joy, it's been such a, it's been just good to see your face, tala, and hear your voice. And Farah, so nice to meet you.
Speaker 4:Oh my lovely to meet you guys and, honestly, we're looking forward to catching up with you in a couple of months time. I'm looking forward to hearing more music phenomenal, phenomenal stuff and it's been such a pleasure, honestly, Keep it up, guys.
Speaker 3:Best of luck with everything. You too Right Cheers to more Island adventures.
Speaker 5:Yes, I know, come on down, you both are welcome.
Speaker 3:Come visit the Island. Thank you, guys, thank you for so much.
Speaker 4:And look forward to speaking to you soon. Sounds good.
Speaker 5:Thank you guys, take care, bye, bye, check back every Tuesday.
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