More Than Medicine

Exploring the Intersection of Data Centers, Entrepreneurship, and Digital Security with Sean Patrick Tario

August 19, 2023 Dr. Robert E. Jackson / Sean Patrick Tario Season 2 Episode 143
More Than Medicine
Exploring the Intersection of Data Centers, Entrepreneurship, and Digital Security with Sean Patrick Tario
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Ready for a gripping conversation with Sean Patrick Tario, a pioneer in the data center industry? Sean is no stranger to the challenges of entrepreneurship and the importance of resilience. From growing up in Chicago, navigating the tough world of Silicon Valley, to setting up home in South Carolina as a data center professional, Sean's journey is nothing short of compelling. His life lessons - especially around questioning norms and following the money - are invaluable. Sean shares how balancing family life amidst all this has shaped his take on stability and security. 

Let's unravel the intriguing world of IT arms dealing and the birth of 'I Love Data Centers' podcast, as Sean opens up about his ventures. The founding of 'Mark three seven' is a tale of courage and commitment to preserving conservative content in a tech environment that often leans towards the liberal. The unique name of his company, the faith that fuels his fearlessness in battle, and the responsibilities of being on the frontline are all part of this chapter of Sean's story. 

Finally, we grapple with some pressing issues in our increasingly digital lives - privacy, security, surveillance, and manipulation. Sean enlightens us about the often-overlooked layers of data sharing agreements between some major tech companies and government agencies, and how this impacts us on a daily basis. We also delve into the advantages of open-source operating systems like the Ghost Phone and how they can be a game-changer for personal security and privacy. All this and more, in a conversation that's as thought-provoking as it is enlightening.

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Speaker 1:

Welcome to More Than Medicine, where Jesus is more than enough for the ills that plague our culture and our country. Hosted by author and physician, dr Robert Jackson, and his wife Carlotta and daughter Hannah Miller. So listen up, because the doctor is in.

Speaker 2:

Welcome to More Than Medicine. I'm your host, Dr Robert Jackson, bringing to you biblical insights and stories from the country doctor's rusty, dusty scrapbook. Well, I have a very interesting guest for you today. His name is Sean Patrick Tario. I'm delighted, Sean, to have you in my studio. Please tell my guests a little bit about yourself and about your background.

Speaker 3:

Definitely and, dr, thank you so much for having me on. It's been a wild wild last couple of years but it has brought me in front of so many amazing people such as yourself who are on the front lines of the spiritual and kinetic war that we're really in as a country and as a people and as a species. But to answer your question, name of Sean Patrick Tario, born and raised in the North Shore of Chicago, if you've seen the movie Home Alone or Risky Business or Thirst, do Dealers Day Off. I grew up basically in those neighborhoods in North Shore of Chicago and thankfully had a father who had a very young age, taught me really what was going on in the world and had me sit down at the age of 14 and watch a VHS series called the Creature from Jekyll Island. At the time I think it was like a seven or 11 cassette series and it was about an hour or two hours per tape. So I've learned at the age of 14, for better or worse, that our Federal Reserve is neither Federal nor Reserve.

Speaker 2:

Like grape nuts. Neither grapes nor nuts.

Speaker 3:

Yeah, exactly, and it just really helped frame the rest of my education. And I'm 43 now, married, living in the upstate here in Inman, south Carolina, here from Raleigh about a little over a year ago and had been in Raleigh for about six years and prior to that we were actually in the Bay Area in California. I was in Silicon Valley, california, working and hustling out there and being an entrepreneur and working for various different companies. But those former years were so key because it really taught me to question everything and to follow the money and learn who really owned and controlled the various businesses that were trying to influence me or that I came across throughout my professional career, and not just follow the money and see who owned and controlled it.

Speaker 3:

but really, learn the ethos of the people who own and controlled various different industries and governments and businesses and whatnot. So it was very fascinating. I became an entrepreneur at a very young age. I was in college from 98 to 02 in Silicon Valley, and so in 99, as a sophomore, me and a handful of friends looked around us and said, well, hey, all these other people are starting companies, why can't we? And so we had the brash idea to go do that and we did. And so I learned at a very young age how to project manage my time, because I was going to school full time, I was actually running a fraternity full time and we had a business full time. But I also learned really how to start a business and what it took to get a business up and running and raising capital and different rounds of funding and building a team the whole gambit. And it was pretty awesome experience to be able to do that at that time in the middle of the boom. But then we also experienced the catastrophic bust as I'm sure you probably recall 2001, 2001, 2002, where all the money dried up and people realized that you couldn't just say that you had a business online and be able to raise money off of that, you actually had to make money, and so lots of interesting things played out at that time.

Speaker 3:

Probably thereafter, I actually met my wife, who was a Santa Clara native, and we got married very quickly. I knew that we had met our soulmates and thankfully you're still married today and more in love every day, thanks to our faith, first and foremost. And so I got into the world of entrepreneurship at a young age, learned supply chains, learned how to build businesses. I was very actually involved with economic developments in and around the different communities that I was in. I started working and getting a real job for a software company when we sat down and realized that we were pregnant for our first child and Laura, my wife, said Sean, you know, we really need stability and security as a family, and I know you love being an entrepreneur, but we really need to think about our family here first. And so I've learned a lot in my marriage over the years, as I'm sure most of us have, but we're going to help tumble. You're going to listen to your wife don't you.

Speaker 3:

Yeah, yeah. So it really helped tumble me to that paradigm. So I bit the bullet and started actually working for corporate America. I worked for a large software development company for about a year and then I moved to a very large data center company and for those who aren't familiar with what a data center is, but they're massive warehouses. They look like big warehouses, almost like a Costco size of warehouse for the very, very large ones, and they have millions of square footage.

Speaker 3:

In some of the big ones they also have megawatts of power the amount of power that can power a small community or even a small city in some cases and they're also designed to never lose power. So they have battery backup systems, they have diesel generators, they have all this big infrastructure coming in and around these buildings and that's where all the servers and switches and routers and big computers sit that do everything from banking transactions to hosting websites, social media law firms, you name it. Anyone and everyone who's doing anything in the digital realm is doing something that clears through these data centers. Even the conversation we're having right now is clearing through a data center in some way, shape or form.

Speaker 2:

I guess. So this information is not quote in the atmosphere or in the clouds, it's actually in a data center.

Speaker 3:

Correct. Yeah, the saying in our industry is the cloud is really just someone else's computer. I got you.

Speaker 3:

So if you're using your Gmail application or your iCloud application, you're really just using Google's computers or Apple's computers, and those computers live inside data centers. And there's tens of thousands of them at this point around the world, thousands of them around the United States. Some, like I mentioned, very, very large, millions of square feet. Some of them small, smaller, only maybe a couple thousand square feet or even smaller. So most businesses will say, oh yeah, we have a data center in our office, but if you go and look at it, it might be like you know, a rack or two of maybe like a dozen or a half a dozen servers sitting inside of a closet. You know, in my world that's not a data center, that's just a closet that has some servers in it. But some people might call that a data center. But what I'm?

Speaker 3:

talking about are those buildings that are specifically built and designed to house this type of infrastructure and to never lose that power.

Speaker 2:

So they have solar panels on the roof to provide electricity for them, so they can never go out.

Speaker 3:

You know some have solar, but the reality is solar really can't generate the amount of power.

Speaker 2:

I know, I know They've got diesel generators, yeah.

Speaker 3:

I mean they pull the power from whoever the municipal energy provider is. Those generators are really there for battery back or for backup. Right so if the power grid goes down, they'll default to those generators and turn those servers on so they don't default to solar panels.

Speaker 2:

That's what you're telling me?

Speaker 3:

No, no, the solar panels might you know power the bathroom lighting, or like the lights outside in the carport, but they won't power the whole data center.

Speaker 2:

I understand All right. Well, keep going, Don't let me interrupt you.

Speaker 3:

Yeah. So I became very adept in that industry very, very quickly Became one of the top sales reps at the company I was working for, helped grow a small data center owner operator from. You know I think we were doing about less than a million in revenue when I started there and two years later we were close to close to 10 million. And then I moved over to a company that had just landed about 50 million in private equity to expand and grow and quickly, within a year, became the top sales rep at that company as well and had a lot of great experiences there that they eventually went public. But it became very clear to me, you know, with my entrepreneurship background and just being able to do the amount of business that I was doing, that the reason why I was so successful is because I really was following the money, whether it was the companies and customers I was working with or even the business itself. I knew each asset intimately. I knew why certain customers were interested in some properties and not others, and I found myself at some point you know, training executives in the business about the business and I said you know what? I think it's time for me to go off on my own and do my own thing and start my own consulting practice, and so that's what I eventually did in 2011.

Speaker 3:

And all the while I've been an entrepreneur, I've been investing in companies, I've been mentoring businesses. I've had numerous different organizations that I've helped get started that brought people together to help grow businesses and grow ideas and incubate companies and ideas. So you know, in my heart I'm an entrepreneur and I love working with other entrepreneurs and helping to grow businesses. So you know, the day job that I had per se was really what I needed to do to pay the bills at the time. So the exposure I've had to so many different types of companies and businesses over the years has been awesome In the roles that I've been in, effectively as an outsourced CTO, cio for companies of all shapes and sizes. So it's been a very unique experience Eventually became an author, wrote a book about that industry called the Data Center Coalocation Industry Playbook. I've sold thousands of copies. You can find it on Amazon.

Speaker 2:

Say that name again.

Speaker 3:

The Data Center Coalocation Industry Playbook.

Speaker 2:

I got you yeah.

Speaker 3:

And you know, have traveled the world training governments and training countries and professionals in those countries about the industry and whatnot, so really built a niche practice of expertise in that space and the whole while I was following the money and realizing that most of the companies these data center companies, especially the public and trade companies and the private equity companies if you follow the money, you realize that they're all really owned by the same conglomerate that I'm sure you could guess. You know, it's the Black Rocks, it's the Vanguard's, the State Street's, the Berkshire Hathaways. It's the big money that controls these businesses and though they are technology companies, they're really structured as real estate investment trusts at the end of the day and so they're real estate companies. And when you realize that the same owners of these real estate assets are also the owners of the clientele that have their infrastructure inside these facilities, you can start to piece together a lot of very interesting things about what's going on in the digital realm and in the digital marketplace. And a lot of the venture capital money is also coming from the same very, very left leaning investors who have their money spread out across these different venture capital firms. So when we see things today like ESG coming out that are helped, that are forcing companies and dictating the companies that they have to have various woke policies within their company.

Speaker 3:

It's no wonder, because they, from day one, have had money and influence.

Speaker 3:

That has an ethos. It is very contrary to our Christian, constitutional, conservative values, and so I saw that happening within the data center space and I started actually warning my peers who had infrastructure inside these facilities that were running various different hosting sites or content websites and saying, look, they're going to come after us. And this was in the, I would say, 2016, 2017, 2018. I was warning people that they're going to come after us. They're going to try to silence us and kick us off of these platforms, whether it's LinkedIn or hosting with Google or Amazon Web Services or whatever it might be. And most people thought I was crazy, called me a conspiracy theorist, so that completely would violate the First Amendment. There's no way that would happen. That can never happen, and even some of the people that I could convince that this was going to happen, they were just too shy and too afraid to speak out about it. But, as I mentioned, since I was 14, learning what was really going on in the world I've been called the conspiracy theorist my whole life, A long long time.

Speaker 2:

What else would happen? When you're a visionary or a prophet. When you see what's coming in the pipe long before other people do, you're always accused of being a conspiracy theorist.

Speaker 3:

Right. Yes, it didn't phase me. Long story short, and I can tell you, just to cut to the chase here, when I was watching on January 6th of 2021, watching what happened in the capital after the rally, from my TV in Raleigh at the time I had literally my wife and Fred's going to test who were there I had called exactly what was going to happen. I said there's no way they're going to allow for a true conversation on the floor with all these millions of people watching about the fraud that occurred in the election. Pence is clearly an establishment player and always has been, and he's going to try to push everything through as quickly as possible, but they're going to have some kind of false flag attack and prevent the conversation from happening. And, sure enough, it all played out in front of our eyes almost verbatim, exactly what I had said was going to happen, and I'm on my knees in tears, praying and just pleading with God, saying God, I am so tired of being right in these circumstances With the experiences that I have. I need to be leveraged and put on the front lines of this war that we are in. Too many people are not even aware that we're in this war, but it is clearly a war that is happening, both spiritual and kinetic. As I've said before, how can I best serve? And it became just the flash of lights. It became just knowing that my role was to arm those on the front lines of this war and to give them parallel infrastructure so that they would not be turned off and prevented from existing in the digital world that we live in today.

Speaker 3:

I didn't really know what the answer, what that would look like 100%, but I've been almost like an IT arms dealer for companies and for individuals my whole life. So I had a massive Rolodex and so I just started calling all the different people that I knew owned these hosting companies and network companies and data center companies and, like you, I also had a podcast at the time called I Love Data Centers, and if you actually go to idlovedatacenterscom, you can see the podcast that I hosted. But I interviewed the owners of most of these owner operators, these big facilities and some of the people that helped build the internet from day one. So I started calling on them and started saying hey guys, here's what's coming down the pipe. You know it, I know it, it's happening.

Speaker 3:

So I met Parler If you remember the social media company Parler. They were like one of the first conservative social media companies to try to compete with Facebook and whatnot. They got de-platformed, so Amazon basically said you have 24 hours notice, but we're kicking you off of our services. And what was super interesting to me is that Parler actually had been de-platformed from Microsoft prior to that, and so how they didn't quite realize that moving from one woke establishment to another one would be any different is just somewhat beyond me. But when they got de-platformed, that's when the writing was on the wall for many of the people that we've been having conversations with and warning them that this was going to happen. And so I spent four months of my life building partnerships with individuals that owned a data center and hosting network and security assets around the world and building a handful of different businesses and helping to build a handful of different businesses so that conservative content could still live and exist online.

Speaker 2:

Is it a sufficient number of platforms to keep someone like Parler afloat?

Speaker 3:

Yes, most definitely, is the short answer. You know, as you can imagine, nine out of 10 of the people that I called, who I knew would be relatively mission aligned. You know they were conservatives, they were Christians. I had met them, spent time with them, interviewed them. Their response was always Sean, I love what you're. I hear what you're talking about.

Speaker 3:

I agree this is going to happen, but we have Twitter and Microsoft and Facebook and Google and Amazon.

Speaker 3:

They're our customers and if they find out that we're doing this, we may lose them as customers. And I have to answer to a board, and so you know I'm rooting for you, sean, but you know I can't. I can't change my business practices and I can't even tell you how frustrating it is talking to people who, who claim and this is just broader than that, those conversations, but those, even today that I talked to, who claim to be Christians and yet they don't understand that we are called to be saints, that's right While we are here, and that our lives are not supposed to be comfortable. That doesn't mean that we can't find joy in the things that we do and the people around us, but our lives are not meant to be comfortable. I look and I get strength from looking and reading to the lives of the apostles and the lives of the saints. They did not live, you know, super comfy, you know kickback, carefree lives. They were on the front lines of their own battles and wars on a day to day basis, fighting for the truth in love.

Speaker 2:

In the first 200 years of the church, eight out of 10 Christians were persecuted under death.

Speaker 3:

Right. So that's where you know we. We really, somewhat jokingly but but very seriously, amongst our circle of us who are on the front lines here in this war right now, every day, when we talk to each other, we say how's your persecution coming? That's right.

Speaker 3:

Because the reality is we truly believe. If you're not being persecuted in some way, shape or form right now, then you're not living your faith in some way, shape or form. I can, I can guarantee you when you're sitting down pleading with God to serve him and his will, he's not responding with you know. Sit back in your comfy job. It's earning you. You know seven figures that your labor and your, your mind and your talents are being used to prop up and advance companies that are literally trying to enslave us right now, and in many cases, trying to kill us.

Speaker 2:

Right yeah.

Speaker 3:

So you know, long story short, we were able to build this network though of companies that could form the foundation level of, you know, the bear necessities of the physical assets, the network, the security, the data centers, the hosting, the servers and whatnot, and that took some time.

Speaker 3:

But now that that's all up and running, about a year ago, through through various conversations and just really listening to the spirit lead me started another company called Mark three seven.

Speaker 3:

If you go to mark three seven dot com and people say, well, what does that mean?

Speaker 3:

And it literally comes from me and one of my business partners, james Charles, reading scripture in the morning together and reading through verse Mark three seven, which says but Jesus retired with his disciples to the sea and a great multitude followed him from Galilee and Judea, and as you go on, it says in from Jerusalem and from I do, maya, and from beyond the Jordan, and they about tire and side on. A great multitude, hearing the things which he did, came to him, and we stopped there and just started talking about how. That's where we are today, where we are seeing more and more people waking up to the reality of what's going on around them and they are leaving on faith, everything that they're doing in following Christ and listening to Christ. And so, as I'm meditating and looking at Mark three seven, it dawns on me that that three, in geek speak, which is the world that I live in, is really an E and the seven is really a T. So what is m a r k e t spell?

Speaker 3:

Market, market market right and that's what all these people just think about. All these people from all these regions left everything, left their jobs, in many cases, left their families, to follow and listen to Jesus by the sea. I did so. What needed to happen for these folks? They had to build their own markets. They had to start figuring out how, where were they going to get food, where were they going to get sestimates? Where were they going to sleep? Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 3:

So, so all these folks who left everything to follow Christ here had to build their own market, and so I was like, I'm just curious at m a r k three, seven dot com is available because, with you know, domain names, location, location, location. And sure enough it was. And I said, holy smokes, this is, this is a sign. And so, at the end of the day, with, with the tangible infrastructure in place, my partner James and my other partner, sean Davis, and Shane Cooper, and we have a handful of us now Our primary focus right now is to release into the market products and services that we truly believe are going to move the needle with the paradigm consciousness of those who are following Christ and help them to escape what we call the matrix.

Speaker 3:

If you've seen the movie the matrix, yeah, yeah we need people to escape this illusion of reality, of this planned obsolescence economy and this need to be constantly consuming and get back to some technologies and some homesteading and some basic practices that will help us live more full lives and not be constantly stuffing dollars into the pockets of the very people who were literally trying to keep us uninformed, misinformed, canceled and removed from society. And if they, if they want to, if they want to, so badly removed, and why are we not proactively removing ourselves, right yeah?

Speaker 2:

I hear you, I hear you.

Speaker 3:

So, as it relates to escaping this matrix and you know we hear a lot of boycotting, right? Yeah, people are screaming let's boycott Anheuser-Busch, let's boycott Target, let's boycott Ben and Jerry's, you name it. These days, everyone wants to boycott all these different companies, and rightfully so. I'm not saying we shouldn't be, I'm saying heck, yes, we definitely need to do that, but it's always baffling to me how these big, loud critics and even the new journalists and the new, you know, talking heads and the in the street movement Don't talk about boycotting big tech, when five companies alone Dr, amazon, microsoft, google, apple and Facebook these five companies collectively make over $1 trillion a year, $1 trillion a year, and they spend annually billions of dollars on candidates and causes and practices that are 100%, diametrically opposed to our faith and to us as God-fearing constitutional conservatives.

Speaker 3:

And yet no one's talking about boycotting them. And I truly do feel that we're in this very strange dynamic where the very companies that are abusing us on a regular basis are the same companies that people refuse to give up out of convenience, out of you name it whatever, the reasons might be, they just refuse to give up these devices and they refuse to give up the software.

Speaker 3:

Admittedly, a lot of it is because there are alternatives that are out there, but those alternatives don't have multi-billion-dollar marketing propaganda budgets to both lobby Congress and DC and state representatives and to spend on marketing to get you to even know who they are and what they are. So, for example, there's something called an open-source operating system and what people need to realize is there's something called Linux. Linux is an open-source operating system.

Speaker 2:

How do you spell?

Speaker 3:

Linux L-I-N-U-X. Linux is the core-based operating system for the vast majority of the servers that actually sit inside these data centers. Interesting enough, so, if you ever speak to a systems administration engineer or a network administration engineer who works for a big software company or a data center company or a hosting company, they will definitely know Linux because they need to know it for their job. And yet on the consumer level, people are completely unaware that it even exists. So this free and open-source operating system, linux it used to be, I would say, five, ten years ago, that you needed to learn a little bit of programming in order to get it to really function the way that you want it to function. But as more and more users over time have started working on these operating systems, it's to a point now where you could have an operating system such as Zorin or one called Linux, mint or Ubuntu, and you wouldn't have no idea that it was anything different than your existing iOS or Windows operating system that you're using, because the features, the functionality, are exactly the same.

Speaker 2:

You talk about on your laptop computer.

Speaker 3:

Yes, on your laptop computer and the same thing exists. So that same concept of an open-source operating system and your operating system is really what interfaces the applications that you use and the browser that you use with the hardware itself. It's what basically is telling the spinning disk and or the solid state drives or the network card or your printer what to do and how to do what it's doing. So that operating system is really key. It's kind of like the control center for that device. The equivalent of Linux Mint or Linux Zorin would be Microsoft Windows or iOS. For Apple users and for those who may or may not know, windows is one of the biggest pieces of spyware that people across the country and around the world have willingly installed onto devices that they use every single day. So is iOS and these companies Microsoft and Apple and Amazon and Facebook. They only exist at the size that they exist here in the United States because they have already signed deals with our three-letter agencies to share information. And I learned this working in the industry that I had been in very intimately and very directly, because I was constantly asking questions and not taking no for an answer and finding people that I needed to find who had the answers and in some cases I had to use my sales tips and tricks and go out with some folks and have a few drinks with them to get them to actually tell me what was really going on. But as it started to come out and this is all public information at this point you can just do your research and figure it out for yourself and not just take my word for it. But our three-letter agencies have had backdoor access into the Microsoft operating system for probably close to 15 plus years, and it's for national security reasons, quote unquote and it has allowed our government to be able to see what is happening on computers and devices for other governments and state and non-state actors around the world for a very long time. The same is true with Intel, the microchip company Intel, with a company called NVIDIA which creates graphics cards. Same is true with even our telecommunication companies, verizon and AT&T they're really just extensions of our government and that they have very intimate relationships between the two, sharing information and really open what's called API access between the two organizations feeding information. So it's important for people to really understand this and if you go to mark37.com and you go down to our blog section, you'll see a handful of articles that we've written on this topic. I also have a sub-stack account, which is really just like my own low blogging account that I control. That's truth in love and that's T-R-U-T-H-I-N-L-O-V-E, sub-stack-s-u-b-s-t-a-c-kcom, and I have a handful of articles up there that help explain this to people exactly what's going on, how all this is working in the industry.

Speaker 3:

And, not surprisingly, in April of last year I had a very large following on LinkedIn. I had close to 10,000 followers on LinkedIn and I literally woke up one day and was unable to log into my account because they said I had violated my terms of service with LinkedIn and, mind you, I was probably like user 1400 of LinkedIn. I've been a LinkedIn user my whole career. I've built a lot of my business around what I was doing on LinkedIn and woke up one day and they said that I was not didn't have access because I violated the terms of service. They didn't say what terms of service I violated, but I started calling my friends because I had lots of articles that I had written on LinkedIn, was involved in lots of different communities and threads and conversations and they told me straight up that I was purged from LinkedIn.

Speaker 3:

You couldn't find anything about me. You couldn't find any of the conversations I was a part of. They purged every comment I'd ever made, every article I'd ever written, everything about me from that platform, because I was sharing this type of information and I was also very much speaking contrary to the narrative that they were pushing. For example, when they would constantly ask me to put my pronouns every time I would log into LinkedIn, I finally just said fine, my pronouns are awakened, so there are little things like that. That probably led to them saying we need this guy to shut up and stop sharing what he's sharing with all these people on a regular basis. But I bring that up because it is very true that every single one of us has a profile that is shared amongst our government and these technology companies, these big tech companies, and they monetize that and they use that profile on a regular basis.

Speaker 2:

The people that hate God, hate the church, hate the Constitution know exactly who we are.

Speaker 3:

Yep and they're self. They are, just as we are, outspoken unapologetic, as we've mentioned Christian conservative constitutionalists. They are unapologetic, marxist, atheist, even some of them Luciferian Saintness right.

Speaker 2:

They hate God, they hate the church, they hate, Christ they hate Christ straight up. Jesus told us a long time ago that you know. He said if they hate me, they will hate you.

Speaker 3:

Yeah.

Speaker 3:

So where I'm going with all this is we offer training on this very topic, and I just got back.

Speaker 3:

For example, at almost every weekend, I'm in a different city across the country in a room full of anywhere from 20 people to 200 people, training people on, first, exactly how we're being spied on, how big tech in our own government is using all of the data that they're collecting on us, how exactly they're collecting this data, and then the second half of the presentation is around what we can do about it, because it's not all doom and gloom.

Speaker 3:

They're actually very specific things that we can do to protect our digital sovereignty, and it's important for us to understand and speak to it as digital sovereignty, because those who think that they have nothing to hide with their data online and so it's okay for people to have access to that and spy on it and control it it's really no different than people saying, well, my first amendment doesn't matter, either because I have nothing aggressive that I'm going to be saying, or that my second amendment doesn't matter because I'm not planning on killing anybody, right? So our digital privacy and security does matter, and I put it in the same boat as our first amendment. We need to have this privacy and these protections. And let me just ask you this have you ever had a conversation with someone about something and then started to see ads for that something?

Speaker 2:

Oh yeah, happens all the time.

Speaker 3:

Happens all the time, right.

Speaker 3:

And most people were like, oh, that's neat, that's convenient, you know, I wonder, I wonder how they were able to figure that out, right, yeah, and then, in the same breath, when you start talking to them about how they're listening to all of the conversations that we're having, even when our phone is not, you know, not when we're having a phone call or anything, it's just on listening all the time, right?

Speaker 3:

People don't even think about that and they're like, huh, that's interesting. Like, for me, that's a big deal, that is a big deal. I don't want a device in my house that's listening to every single conversation that I'm having and mining information from those conversations to do whatever they might be doing with that information, which we know. On the marketing side, it makes sense, you know, brilliant from a marketing perspective, if we can pull these keywords and try to sell people stuff, we can get more targeted advertising and charge more money for it, right? But on the other side, knowing that all this information and all this data is being shared with our government, the government has access to it too.

Speaker 3:

And our government is not doing with that information.

Speaker 2:

They're not my friend Right.

Speaker 3:

That's right. So it's very scary stuff. So the reality, you know, our dollars and our attention is our ammunition, and when we are giving our attention and our dollars into these systems and devices that are literally enslaving us, literally enslaving us on so many levels, we are only aiding and abetting the enemy. That's right. And I liken it to you know, you know, doc, if you were going into war, you served in the military, didn't you?

Speaker 2:

My father did, but I did not.

Speaker 3:

Your father did so, if you were just talking to your father and your father said you know, they just issued me a new gun. It was made by the Chinese. In fact, the Chinese actually have a GPS tracking device on it and they've got a microphone and a camera on the gun as well and it's all. All that information is going back to China. But they just issued it to me and I'm about to go to war with the Chinese. Would you not fear for your dad's life? Oh yes, would you not almost know for sure that he was probably going to lose that war?

Speaker 2:

Right.

Speaker 3:

Exactly right. So we all acknowledge that we're at war right now. You know, most everyone listening to this probably can acknowledge that we're at war right now.

Speaker 2:

That's exactly right.

Speaker 3:

Kinetic and spiritual war, and yet we are consistently using weapons that are owned and controlled by the enemy, and these weapons are used to manipulate us in ways that we don't even know that we're being manipulated because they have spent tens and hundreds of billions of dollars over the last 20 years using technology out of DARPA, our Department of Defense, darpa Institute very, very high tech stuff to control and manipulate people so that they focus and continue to focus their time and attention in these applications and on these devices and effectively becoming mind controlled slaves Right.

Speaker 2:

Exactly right, and we feed them all of our strategies, all of our thinking, all of our information on their devices that we purchased from them, yep.

Speaker 3:

In the simple example and I just laughed my butt off when I saw this the Republican Party, national GOP sent out mailers not mailers, but emails consistently every couple of weeks, and they're like we don't quite understand why it is that our email throughput hit rate is so abysmally small, until they started realizing that they were using Google services to push out these emails. And when they finally migrated over to a non-Google owned system, they saw like a 70 to 80% increase in the click throughs and the email being able to make it through to the end user Right. So if we acknowledge that Google is proactively preventing and hiding information when you go to search for things, if we acknowledge that Google and Facebook and Twitter and Microsoft are literally lying about things that are happening in the world around us and yet we continue to pick up these devices that they own and control and use them on a regular basis, it's like it's just mind blowing to me how more people haven't woken up and said you know what? Why am I doing this? There has to be a better way.

Speaker 2:

Our legislators so blind to what's going on. I can't understand why our leadership and our nation is not waking up to see what's going on.

Speaker 3:

Well, I'll tell you why because you follow the money.

Speaker 2:

Yeah, yeah, you do.

Speaker 3:

Yeah, unfortunately, so many of our legislators too many of them, in fact, the vast majority of them are so easily paid off yeah, so easily paid off. You don't even need to have, you know, pictures or videos of them doing corrupt, crazy, you know obscene things that you can hold them over their head. All you need is a little bit of money and you can control them and manipulate them.

Speaker 2:

You're right, you're right.

Speaker 3:

Yeah, it's very serious, I learned I've spent years in politics Lobbying in DC on behalf of the industry. I was actually on the, the board of the, the North Carolina Board of Science, technology and Innovation, for some time. I got to know a number of the house representatives In North Carolina and some senators as well as well, and what I learned about even state politics and national politics. You have a twin sister who actually worked for Bush, cheney back in the day, and she worked in the East Wing Of the White House and got you know full back that back axis Tours through through all of it. So I've been in and around DC and politics and whatnot for a very long time and what I've learned is that the system is so broken on so many levels and when you really read the Constitution, you start to realize that this thing that we call government today is Not what our forefathers Set out for it to be, and we have taken so many turns and passed so much legislation that is un unconstitutional that it's baffling to me that those who take oaths To defend and protect the very document that they likely have never even read it's no surprise that they're not standing up and doing something about it because you're right.

Speaker 3:

They probably think we live in a democracy, yeah right, and I bet even some of your listeners think that we live in a democracy. Well, don't we live in a democracy? I learned in school that we live in a democracy. Well, I hate to break it to you but we don't. We live in a constitutional Republic, and if you read what our forefathers even said about democracies, you start to realize holy smokes, we are not a constitutional Republic anymore and we are very much a democracy, and democracies lead directly to socialism and communism, in fact now they don't, and Lenin spoke All day long about how what we really need to do is spread democracy, because democracy is the foot that we need in the door to break down Constitutional republics.

Speaker 3:

You know.

Speaker 2:

Well, let me. Let me change the subject a little bit, because I was fascinated when you, when I heard Interview with you previously and you were talking about the ghost phones that your company was developing and how that's a step away from being surveyed and Surveiled by the big tech companies. Can you talk a little bit about that? We got about 10 minutes left.

Speaker 3:

Yeah, so I mean I could talk for hours on this topic, but I encourage people to go to mrk37.com and check out the ghost phone, dig around the question and we have a whole forum. We have the whole forum section where we have dozens of questions and answers that are related to us been an hour on that site the other day and it was fascinating to me.

Speaker 3:

Yeah, so the ghost phone is really that same. You know, I would mention about Linux, right, the open source operating system Linux. The ghost phone is running an open source operating system that's designed just for mobile phones.

Speaker 3:

Okay and it, specifically, is designed for the pixel, the Google pixel phone. But when we get our hands on these, we get our hands on refurbished, mint condition Pixel devices and we strip everything Google off of it from a software perspective, so it's just the raw hardware and then we load on to it this open source operating system that is literally designed to be the most private, the most secure operating system that exists Currently in the marketplace. And then we load on top of that operating system about 15 different applications that allow you to do things like use a mapping tool or to open up Documents or PDFs when you get sent them, or email applications. We even have some Bible study applications that we install, video conferencing tools and applications that we installed. You know, all kinds of different things like this that we put on these devices so that when you get the phone, you don't have to try to figure out what the best tools are. You can just get up and running really quickly.

Speaker 3:

And there's other People say well, what about? You know how do I get my apps? Like, if I want more apps, where do I go? Well, there's app stores that are not owned by Google and not owned by Apple Okay, pre-installed on these devices as well, so you can find other open source applications to use, or you can find apps that you can download from these other marketplaces that are not run by by Google and Apple. So what this phone does it's that's very unique about it Is that it literally creates a sandbox, like a quarantine, for every app that you install, so that it can't start speaking to and talking to all the other things going on on your phone.

Speaker 3:

And just a real quick Education session here how the vast majority of the applications that you have downloaded on your Google, android or your iOS device make money Is by taking your information. So it is secretly pulling your GPS, it's secretly tracking what other websites you're using or viewing if you're going through a browser. It's secretly tracking all this data that it's aggregating about you and then it's selling it on the open market. So if you have a flashlight app, for example, that you download out of the ghost phone and it says it wants access to your GPS, you're gonna get a notification and you can say, no, my flashlight app doesn't need access to my GPS. And it says, well, this flashlight app wants access to your contacts. You can say, nope, not gonna give it access to my contacts either. Why in the world do my flashlight have one access to my contacts? It doesn't need that.

Speaker 3:

And if I say, well, it wants access to your Wi-Fi and you're like, okay, that's enough, I don't need this app on my phone anymore because clearly it's trying to spy on me. Right, it's trying to pull data. But each app sits in its own quarantine and it will give you notifications. I'll say this app wants to do this, this, this and this. Are you okay with us? And when, once you set the permissions, you can go back and change them if you need to, but it's set, it cannot be changed from there right.

Speaker 3:

Okay, and so that alone allows you to keep your information localized on the phone, and I'm gonna. You know, there's another really cool thing that happens. It's very Indicative of how the rest of these applications operate, to think, and it has to do with your mapping app. You know, if you're using Google Maps or you're using whatever the Apple version of Google Maps is, and you put in an address that I just go straight to a Cloud server that is owned by Google or by Apple, right? And then once Google and Apple know where you're going, they can say, oh, here's an opportunity to make money because Shawn is going to be going to this address that's 10 miles away. He's gonna pass by Starbucks, he's gonna pass by Burger King, he's gonna pass by all these different stores. And so they then reach out to these companies and say do you want to advertise to a person in this demographic that's gonna be passing by your B stores, right, okay.

Speaker 3:

So on the ghost phone, the absolute, the, the mapping apps that we use, all of that information is stored locally on the device. So the map is stored on the device. So when you Put in a location that you want to travel to, it's not sending that out to the cloud anywhere. It's all happening on the device. And I have to throw a shout out to a company called Garmin. Some of you have heard of Garmin. Oh yeah, they make a lot of mapping tools. They operate in a very similar way. They may be changing, but last we checked, garmin devices do the same thing. They load the maps locally on the device. They don't want to take all that information and feed it into a cloud server somewhere and try to monetize it. It's all localized on the device. So that's just that, the attitude and the framework and the mindset that Exists. And there are millions, I'm telling you. There are tens of millions of people Around the world right now who are using these types of devices, and the numbers only grow daily.

Speaker 3:

There's a massive awakening that is happening in the technology world and people are realizing they don't have to be beholden to their big tech masters. They can use other options in the marketplace, and so we're here to help train and coach and guide people in that process, and we have a various different events that we are hosting Across the country. In fact, we're gonna be in Knoxville, tennessee, on August 26th, so if you're interested, you can go to mark37.com Ford slash events and you can see the upcoming events that we have Through the John Birch Society. For those who are familiar with John Birch Society, we're actually gonna be doing some events in South Carolina. We're gonna try to do four different events in October, november timeframe across the state. So we're trying to bring this education and this training and these tools to the masses.

Speaker 3:

And on that truth in love, that sub stack calm site, you can find a Posting that I have that is basically like a how-to guide on how to boycott big tech, and up there I have Actually the live video presentations from some of the ones I've done in the past, as well as the laundry list of all the different companies that we have vetted and Sourced that are owned by Godfaring constitutional Patriots that you can support instead of using a Lot of the companies that you're using today. So just kind of, as you know, if you've heard of public square, they're kind of the oh yeah, Marking place for a patriot of companies.

Speaker 3:

We have you know kind of our technology focused version of that and we're training people on how to go through the process of auditing their digital livelihoods and starting to make that transition happen.

Speaker 2:

This is amazing. I'm telling you, this is absolutely amazing. Well, sean Patrick, this has been such an amazing conversation and very eye-opening as well, so I want you to tell my listening audience one more time go through this little laundry list of how they can listen in and get a hold of your training sessions, your sub-stack, any other way they can get information from your organization. Go through all that one more time. We got about two minutes left.

Speaker 3:

Sure. So the best way is go to mark37.com and just register with us. You know, ideally, if there's anything on there that you think you might want to try out, you know, buy a phone, buy a laptop we're happy to obviously serve you in that capacity and have you join us as a customer and join our community.

Speaker 2:

I'm definitely planning to get a hold of one of your phones. I've already researched that and I'm headed in that direction.

Speaker 3:

Awesome, but you know, very least throw your email in there so you can stay up to date with what we have going on as things evolve over time and as new products and services are coming out. In fact we have we just launched a atmospheric water generation system. So it pulls water from the air, even in the desert, anywhere from six on the low end to eight gallons for the low end machine. The larger machine can do anywhere from I think it's 12 to 16 gallons. There's massive commercial systems that can do thousands of gallons a day with the water and you plug that into a solar panel and you actually have your own water generation system and unplug from the municipal water supply system. But so you can find all that stuff on mark37.com. Throw us your email and then my substack, truthinlovesubstackcom.

Speaker 3:

I love writing. I've been an author, as I have already mentioned, so I've spent a lot of time writing articles trying to reach people and help explain to people what's really going on in the world and how, trying to reach people on their level and give them some tangible case studies and stories and tools to hopefully help them. As we're in the middle of this war right now, but I feel called, every day I ask God what he needs me doing this day, and I just know that he is called me right now to work with those who are on the front lines of this war. So, whether we're working with organizations that are involved with the human trafficking fight, whether we're working with folks who are involved with spreading awareness around election integrity efforts Praise God, my wife is actually running, so shout out to those in South Carolina.

Speaker 3:

If you're in Spartanburg one, my wife is actually running for school board. You can find her, laura Terrio. She's gonna be on the ticket, look for her. We got a website coming up for her soon. That's gonna be Laura for the number four. Spartsprt1.com Website's not up yet, but it will be probably within the next week. But I'm arming people like my wife, who are on the front lines of this war, with the tools that they need to be successful so they're not going into battle using weapons that are literally controlled by the enemy.

Speaker 2:

I hear you. I hear you. All right, you're listening to Sean Patrick Tario. He's just the man. He is so interesting and fascinating and he's out there fighting the war. You need to get in touch with him and his organization. Sean Patrick, thank you for your time and may God bless you. Real good brother.

Speaker 3:

Thank you, bless you and the work that you're doing as well. Thank you so much.

Speaker 2:

You're listening to More Than Medicine. I'm your host, dr Robert Jackson.

Speaker 1:

Thank you for listening to this edition of More Than Medicine. For more information about the Jackson Family Ministry, dr Jackson's books or to schedule a speaking engagement, go to their Facebook page, instagram or their web page at JacksonFamilyMinistrycom. This podcast is produced by Bob Sloan Audio Production at bobsloancom.

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